Captain America: Civil War - Review (Spoilers)
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
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I don't know why everyone's dissing the villain. His motivation is Frank Castle's motivation, but instead of destroying villains he wants to destroy heroes. Makes sense. Plus, he actually WON. At the end, they're broken up. He won.
I went in full on team cap, after the third act I really didn't know who I stood for I felt very torn in the end battle I just wanted them to stop. Fantastic writing
That’s the great thing it’s like noooo why are you fighting I was team cap the first act little bit of both the second act and I was full team iron man the third act
zemo explained why he didn't try to kill them.. didn't he?.. i thought that he said he didn't kill them because lots of people have tried, but no one has succeeded, so he resorted to trying to get them to kill themselves. i thought his plan was masterful.
i'm not all that invested in zemo, he's never been one of my favorite villains, but i loved the way he played the team and really succeeded in driving a stake through the team.
Yup. He explained. When you think about it, he was the best villain before Thanos. THERE I SAID IT! Lolol......but think about it. The Avengers separated is what caused their constant failures in Infinity War.
He says that if they fell from an outside force they would be martyrs who inspired new heroes but if they fought and killed themselves they would truly die.
Something Hector didn't mention, but I'm sure he was feeling: The conversation between Tony Stark and Peter Parker was beautiful for another reason.... This narrative was immensely dense and historical to Marvel Comics, we are captivated by Peter because, throughout Iron Man and Cap's deeply-rooted conflict, Peter's morality reminds us of how simple things can be. He fights for the little guy.... I got the same sentiment with the famous "I can do this all day line". During that heartbreaking fight sequence, Steve brings us back to his days in Brooklyn, fighting for the little guy.
Zemo was a guy who lost his family and his ultimate plan was to show tony the footage, which was in Siberia. Also Zemo's dad wasn't quite explored so there is a potential reveal that he could have been part of hydra in ww2. Zemo was also left alive unlike some MCU movies so there is also a potential that he could learn about his father's past and lead hydra while also leading the master's of evil, which would be cool
Amazing
Damn that's a good theory
Zemo forming the Thunderbolts to discredit the Avengers would be in line with the indirect/passive destruction of the Avengers. Plus, would love a Thunderbolts movie.
+Mrinal Ganash I think many people missed Zemo's plan... his ultimate plan wasn't about tony, that part is a bonus because it wasn't certain it will happen that way. His plan is more malleable... he essentially already won the moment Cap saved Bucky. Everything else is just snowballing bonus.
+Mrinal Ganash I was thinking exactly like that. Many people just observed Zemo as another wasteful use of a villain in a MCU film unlike others aka Loki; but for Zemo, I agree 100% I think this is one of the few times that we actually have a villain that was truly fueled by emotion, to get revenge; and not just personal ego to rule over something. And plus though Zemo was the central antagonist, the majority of the film's story centered on how Cap and Iron Man's relationship, which was partnership-turned-friendship-almost brotherly now turned antagonistic.
Zemo is actually the best MCU villain. He accomplished his goal of making an empire fall. He tore apart the avengers plus he is still alive to return later. His motivation is clear. He wants revenge for the death of his family in Sokovia. And I think you guys missed the point, Zemo never wanted to kill Bucky. He simply wanted to use him as a wedge to split the avengers. The winter soldier thing is just a red herring to distract from his actual goal.
I agree!
+Jarrett Edwards The problem with Zemo is that his plan relies all on chance and coincidence. There's no way he could've predicted his plan to work successfully. It only does because the plot demands it. Other than that, I enjoyed the character very much, and I'm glad they are keeping him around.
Zemo serves a very specific purpose in the structure of this film and I believe the film would not have been as tight as it is without him. Yes, he is essentially a plot device used to force the characters to take action. Most of those moments could have occurred organically given enough time, but with a film so packed to begin with, they needed a character like that to shove them where they needed to be. His plan allows this movie to be 2.5 hours long. Even still, despite the shallow nature of his purpose in the film, they still manage to give the character enough depth to build upon on future films.
+William Anderson How does his plan rely on chance? It's obvious he's been observing them for quite some time so it's likely he understands how Cap and Stark think so he takes advantage of it by using Bucky as a wedge to drive them apart.
+Jarrett Edwards How did he know the book from the Russians would still work? How did he know the EMP would go off at the exact moment? How did he know Tony would be the one to go to Siberia? All of that happens because the plot demands it to. It felt like coincidence. I'm seeing it again tonight so maybe I'll change my opinion then but that was my first impression with his plan.
Shoutout to the Stan Lee and Joe Russo cameos!
shout out to Tony Stank
+Superhero News LOL, Tony Stank
What was the Joe Russo cameo?
+True20Gamer He was the corpse in the bathtub
+Superhero News Hey do you guys know when your going to upload your commentary's for Phase 2?
as far as acting, panther stole it for me. the accent, the pain, the eventual vendetta, his charisma was just outstanding
agreed
Everytime Spider-man was on screen I couldn't help but smile. When he is wrestling with Falcon in mid air and screams "You have the right to remain silent!". Everyone was amazing as expected especially Black Panther. A man on a mission and I seriously cannot wait for the Spidey and BP solo film. And Crossbones was fucking badass while he lasted. Sucks that he died but Thanos is coming and I don't see how the character could be of any use in the upcoming films since this was prob the last Cap movie. I want to praise all the actors and their characters but I don't feel like writing an essay haha.
yeah. Even though he's a lil kid and probably knows they're though still says ,"you have the right to remain silent " . like small kids say to their parents ....lol it looks so cute and awesome
+FIN Network Got beat up by Steve from Brooklyn. And his friend was HUGE.
I loved the Falcon/Bucky dialogue in the car and at the airport
+FIN Network no
The smile they gave cap... :)
When I watched Civil War, there was certainly much of emotional investment in this, I agree. You do feel for all the characters and I also agree with Augustin, that when both Captain America and Iron Man were fighting, it hurt like hell because for me, it felt like "Mum" and "Dad" fighting and I just desperately wanted them to stop and get along. I loved this film, and it is also difficult not to compare it with Batman v Superman being a DC fan myself but Civil War definitely exceeded all my expectations.
agreed, superb film.
Zemo wants revenge but he doesn't want to kill an Avenger. As Coulson proved, death brings the Avengers together. Zemo said it best himself: an empire destroyed from outside, can rebuild, an empire that destroys itself is dead forever. He didn't want to kill steve or bucky or tony specifically. He wanted the team destroyed. And in a way, he got his revenge. The avengers are broken apart. Sure, Steve sent an apology letter an a promise to help if needed, but that innocent band of brotherhood? That's gone. That's gone forever.
+Moist Von Lipwig Which is why I'm sad now lol. My prediction is that the "two teams" will assemble ONLY to beat Thanos. Their bond may be gone forever, but they'll work together when needed. Kinda like the first Avengers. None of them really liked each other, but they assembled when they needed to. Once they finished, they went their separate ways
TJizzle
death of a family. yeah, they'll work together. but that bond is gone.
+TJizzle Yep. That's why I consider Civil War to be a very bleak and depressing film, while BVS a very hopeful and optimistic film.
5 years later, look at the outcome of infinity war. the teams are splitted instead of coming together to face thanos and his army. Imagine Cap's team in wakanda came to work with Tony, Doc Strange, Spidey, and the Guardians? the fact that the outcome would've been different and the realities that Strange saw would've been different if they were united at that time. Zemo messed up many things 😂 it literally affected the events after civil war
Civil War is a character study of every single MCU superhero.
my favorite scene was when bucky tried to destroy ironman's core with his arm but got it blown off. i wasn't expecting that but i really should've
The first MCU movie me and my dad went to was ant-man. Since last year, he's been our favorite character. We went to see civil war, and man were we geeking out when he went giant-man!
The thing with Tony that sent me to TeamCap from the beginning is that it was his recklessness that led to Ultron (and therefore Sokovia) and then he demands that "THEY" have gotten out of control and need supervision. Yet he's one of the least compliant people on the planet? Then as soon as Ross shows up... UGH.
What do you think will happen with Rhodey in the upcoming films? :'(
There are many hints in the movie that Zemo really is a mastermind chacacter that was meant to be underrated (in the movie Zemo is capable of de-encripting files, creating a mask that looks just like Bucky's face; he is from a group of assassins that could be a bit of a evil version of shield. Zemo knew to plot the timing of each step; cause an explosion at the UN, he knew to call the motel staff to order his breakfast so they find the dead psychiatrist...I think that Zemo is like a chess player and had moves and countermoves. He is also a hacker so the information that was not official was gathered on all of the avengers. Thus he fed info that he made sure would reach Tony Stark so that Tony would go find the location at that point. Yes it seems a little convoluted but the Russo brothers and screenwriters went over every scene and storyline to make sure it makes sense. So cross our fingers for a future Masters of Evil!
Is it me, or the picture been really out of focus lately? It seems especially bad with Hector.
We've already addressed this in previous videos.
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My favorite moment: Falcon and Bucky in the car.
Tony: My father made that shield, you don't deserve it
So am I the only one who felt Sharon and Steve's relationship was too forced? It was like Bruce and Natasha in Age of Ultron in my opinion
+Dafty I think it was slightly, but I also think a lot of people forgot she was in The Winter Soldier.
+Anduril74871 I know she was in Winter Soldier but they never showed anything that tells you they should be a couple in that movie either. Steve finds out she is Peggy's niece in her funeral and in the next scene they appear together they kiss? That was so bad
Remember Steve asked Sharon out in TWS but she turned him down. The next time he saw her, he found out she'd been hired by Fury to protect him and so was angry with her. Then he sees her again at Peggy's funeral a year or two later and makes an effort to reconnect. It doesn't feel rushed to me. It was just one kiss.
I didnt see any weird special effects. Spiderman looked waaaayyy better than i thought he would.
Iron man didn't recruit Ross for the Sokovia accords. Ross was inevitable. He just arrived simultaneously. Because UN. Because T'Chaka.
Moist Von Lipwig, I don't know how they jumped to that conclusion. I got the distinct impression that the Sokovia Accords had been in the works since after AoU (being that it wasn't called Lagos Accords and how long governments take to make agreements). I think Lagos just sped things up.
I also think Tony Stark knew about it for a while because when Secretary Ross was talking, Steve looked at him like "why didn't you give us a heads up" and Tony took forever to look at him. The byplay was really good in this movie.
Just discovered you guys. Love the way you talk about movies and your appreciation of the films and characters
Completely agree with the maturity. They have to keep on raising the stakes and not completely cater for children but rather for those who are ageing whilst the MCU expands, because come Infinity War, characters are going to have to die for it to work, even if it's the favourites.
exactly
+TheBazable why isnt capt pansy not dead in this movie.. wtf!!!
+nucibus did you not read what the comment said? The Russo brothers may be saving that for infinity wars, you know the ultimate fight....
They should just kill off everyone tbh, make Thanos win.
It will be interesting. I think zemo will return and team up with thanos. I think thanos is gonna be the one to give zemo his purple suit. I hope anyways, that would be badass
"Does anybody got any orange slices?" -Antman
Solid points, super dudes! I loved when Spidey tongue-in-cheekly addressed Cap's two most unrealistic aspects: the shield that doesn't obey physics and "aim for the legs."
If Vision's blast did that much damage to War Machine, what would have happened if he had actually hit Falcon??
A House of M(CU) would be cool! Maybe instead of going crazy, Wanda just tries to bring peace in the next Avengers movie by saying, "No more enhanced." Then they realize that's not the best move so they have to take the Infinity Gauntlet from Thanos to fix it.
"Homecoming" was one of the words in Bucky's brain scramble recipe; do you think there will be any connection to the Spider-Man title? Also, when Parker hid half his face with the towel at the end, it reminded me of the old school comics where they'd do that split-face Spider-Man/Peter Parker.
I left this movie feeling the exact opposite of how I did after BvS. I can't wait to see it again! #TeamGiantMan #TeamArrowGuy
hector fangirling over spiderman... this is all i ever wanted tHIS GIVES ME SO MUCH JOY
I've seen the movie four times now. Still not tired of it. I'd probably see it another 3-4 times before its out of theatres. So many things that come together more beautifully after repeated viewings. The VFX is ore cohesive in 3D and even better in imax but is technically the only flaw I found in the movie. I'm mourning the day the Russo Brothers move on from handling this ensemble cast but can't stop peeing in my pants for Infinity Wars. And Civil War gets a 9.5/10 from me. #teamcap
I think Zemo was a smart move. He's the first baddie who's not Loki and survives his movie. I mean, this Zemo, leading an MCU Masters of Evil, would be awesome. Plus, they have just introduced him, I mean, back in Iron Man 1 did someone expected to see the Hulkbuster? I mean, things take time. Zemo should be more apreciated.
Masters of evil would be LIT!
I've seen the film 3 times and hearing the first 20 mins of this review (currently watching your review as I type this) has me hyped to see it again. lol
I went into this movie excited but not exactly knowing what to expect and I really really liked it.
I think it might even be my favourite movie Marvel has come out with so far.
I watched it fir the first time on the 6th, in a full teathre and it was really great.
Something I want to adress that no one mentioned in any of the reviews I've seen is how they used Sebastian Stan's origin - him being a Romanian and then having a scene in that country.
As a Romanian myself, we don't really get to see characters from here without the funny accent, so seeing Bucky actually talk a bit of Romanian (and for it to not seem forced) was a really pleasant surprise.
The funny thing is, everyone who was seeing the movie at that time, with me, was expecting English or Russian, so no one figured out it was our language until about three lines in the conversation - and then everyone freaked out. It was so unexpected and, again, they found a use for a skill Sebastian had that maybe not that many people knew about, and it was overall great.
I guess I just wanted to share that.
+Theo Potterhead its awesome that you can relate to a character like Bucky.
in the Civil War comic they were all out of character but in this movie Tony's reaction I felt was completely genuine his entire life was built around his father from his business and his lifestyle, there was so much that should have been said that wasn't and being confronted by the man you know is someone responsible I can't say I wouldn't have reacted any differently. And for captain Bucky's best friend and he will fight for him to the very end. in Daredevil season 2 it was the battle between Justice and revenge and how far one man should be able to go. I bought both of them Hook Line & Sinker .
But in the case of Batman v Superman they were both so out of character it pulled me out of the movie. Batman is a character completely set in his beliefs an immovable object who has dedicated his life to One cause and one cause only Justice but we'll never compromise or give into temptation because that will make him no better then the people he puts away. And Superman is a Beacon of Hope not because he tries to be but because it just comes natural it's who he is. his powers just amplify that. And Lex Luthor is a Madman not because he's crazy he truly believes he's saving the world from people like Superman who's mere presence challenges everything we know and understand and by default makes Lex feel smaller and forces him to realize his place in the in the grand scheme of things, so he must destroy Superman in the eyes of everyone to make him smaller and himself larger classic egomaniac. Batman v Superman literally failed to deliver on any of this. A Batman who's thot processes is I have to kill him to make sure he doesn't kill any more by killing anyone who gets in my way. And Superman everyone hates me so I don't want to be Superman anymore even though they hate me because I am indirectly responsible for the deaths of Millions. and Lex Luthor whose plan is make the man killed a god by tricking him into stealing Kryptonite from me instead of giving it to him and them and case it doesn't work I'm going to design a Kryptonian monster to kill God even though I have absolutely no way of controlling it or stopping it after it kills God. All to prepare the world for the destruction that's coming by the hands of dark side who is also a god but I like him ping ping PS I have an awesome graphic design team who make your logos just call me I'm in Iron Gate prison.
But how can you be on Tony's side, when you could see clearly in this movie that every super-human will become a puppet for corrupted government, just like Bucky was a tool for Hydra???
damn true...Cap was right saying they would lose the right to chose if they sign.....hell yea #TeamCap
I agree there was no point in the movie where I flip flopped if anything while Ross was showing the video's I provided logical counter arguments to all of Ross's although I did see where Tony was coming from then way at the end of the day I still didn't agree with him because the fact still remains that they would be tools for the government who have their own agendas which isn't saving people and I feel people kept forgetting the fact Hydra actually infiltrated the government and had since WWll
I agree there was no point in the movie where I flip flopped if anything while Ross was showing the video's I provided logical counter arguments to all of Ross's although I did see where Tony was coming from then way at the end of the day I still didn't agree with him because the fact still remains that they would be tools for the government who have their own agendas which isn't saving people and I feel people kept forgetting the fact Hydra actually infiltrated the government and had since WWll
+Juli-Yashka hell yea most def Team CAP Tony was just ignorant nd blind bcuz he felt terrible about da incidents nd deaths caused by the Avengers and their adversaries which I got hella terrible but they fuckin saved the world twice from an Chitauri Armada nd Loki the trickster god nd from Ultron a murderous robot intent on global extinction nd the last time Steve trusted government they were Hydra in disguise
+Jibril Ramsey they infiltrated shield which was a vigilante agency that operated mostly outside the government anyways. Went over seas solved national problems they were loyal to no country just at the whim of nick furry and his demands.
Romanoff/Black Widow was the only one other than Sam to go comfort Steve at Peggy's funeral. (I didn't want you to be alone) That speaks volumes about their friendship. This scene definitely gave me an inkling that she would help Steve at the right moment.
Another well thought out, un-biased & ear massaging movie review lol I love that Marvel has given all these characters there time in the sun b4 setting up all this stuff, and that's what I think DC is lacking with this recent cast. I'm so glad u guys addressed BVS & the comparison to this movie. People act like there's a great Wall of China between these two gigantic franchises & people can't come over to each other's side & have conversations on them. I feel like DC are trying to hard to compete with the Avengers & rushing Justice League, without really fleshing out each member in their own separate movies/journey. We seriously needed that vibrant, smiling & heroic Superman b4 all this world against Supes thing & all this setup stuff 4 JL is hurting the character. I just wished they'd slow down & give us at least a MOS2, Batman, Wonderwoman & Flash movie b4 setting all this stuff up. They should've just named the move "Dawn of Justice" cause it never really felt like a real vs movie to me.
Civil War is the best COMIC-BOOK movie ever made!
+Charlie That's like comparing the worlds greatest Burger vs the worlds greatest Pizza. The quality of both is without question it just comes down to preference
agree
+Parth Taneja
Looking at your profile pic!
I cant really take your statement seriously! Just know you're in a very small minority! But enjoy your day sir!
+Parth Taneja not really this was a comic book movie and an civil war because all the destruction from past events they had to give up their freedom so they can obey the government but some of them didn't want to do that so they split to two sides just like the a civil war u have two side that dosent know which one is right
Parth Taneja everyone has their own opinion it's obvious ur a dc fanboy
the wakanda accent god damn it! it was so goooood. this movie was so awesome. it felt mature and I loved it.
Tony didnt start the Accords, he just agreed with them
I don't know how you guys do, but it only takes me 1 minute of every of your videos to hit the like button and share it.. I really aprecciate you guys. Thanks for being like all of us..Thank you..
I think Sebastian Stan and Chadwick Boseman in the Black Panther movie will be incredible. Two brilliant actors who have shown they can throw down, make you feel and be proud. It will be off-the-fucking chain.
no1 ever talks about how great falcon was in this movie and how much he had to do also how well he held his own
so two things
1) you guys were talking about how Tony sees many moves in advance and they even mention that in the illuminati issue of Road to Civil War. Tony tell everyone that he and Reed aren't like them and that are they forward thinkers (or something along those lines). So that's a great testament to the MCU that us fans get that impression from MCU Tony.
2) Steve didn't join the war because Bucky did. I liked what you were saying with that whole sequence but i have to disagree a little. I don't think Steve is defined by his friends as much as you do, I simply think he values the hell out of all his friendships. Maybe he said at some point he wanted to go to war because Bucky did, but I don't remember that and doesn't seem right to me. Part of what makes Cap great is that he always wants to help good people. He wanted to go to war because he though good people were being "bullied".
Great review again, I found you guys from your BVS review and you're now my go to channel for some good comic talk, or really just nerd talk. Keep up the good work and thanks!
Black panther stole the movie in my opinion. There were scenes in the movie where I cared about what was going on in the movie but in my mind I was saying ok can we get back to black panther lol
I want to hug you guys. This movie made me so happy! And now listening to you guys and reliving it is just the best.
Well.... have to say that I felt just like Hector and Agustín watching this movie. Like I have said before on many of my previous comments on other videos... I have been waiting to see all these characters in the big screen for so fricking long that since that first Blade movie hit the theaters I've been in nerd nirvana. Obviously you are going to like some movies more than others, but this movie had me smiling a giggling like a little kid the whole time. I LOVED every second of it! When I was a kid I was a DC Comics fan and never read a Marvel comic. It all changed with that 90's X-Men cartoon. I started buying X-Men comics like a mad man. And every time a non X-men character made a cameo I had to run back to the comic book store to get his/her comics. And that's how I became a "rabid" Marvel fan. Don't get me wrong... still love DC, Image and Dark Horse comics too. But I love Marvel just a tinny bit more. I mean... Black Panther, Spidey and... fricking Ant-Man turning into Giant-Man. Did you see Ant-Man's eye expression when he became Giant-Man? Well.... that was me.... during the whole fricking movie! lol Captain America - Civil War was DE LA PUTA MADRE!!!! YESSSS!!!!
So, I basically just nodded for an hour. I really hope nobody was filming me, must have looked damn stupid. So good to see you guys happy. ;)
It's been years since the movie came out, but thought I'd point out that Tony is easily manipulated by guilt. Examples: Coulson's Death, Ultron's creation, guilty philanthrophy when he green lits every student's project at Civil War cause he felt bad abouy Pepper. Then kid "with a bright future" is killed in Sokovia. Cap doesn't take guilt as much as Tony cause he knows the cost of war as he says in Avengers. He's used to losing people in war, but Tony isn't.
I watched the whole video and it was worth it. I just love how passionate you guys are about this genre and all your points were spot on. Keep on doing what you do! Much love from Malaysia.
When winter soldier, stark and cap were watching the 1991 footage, then Tony confronting Steve- I could see the deep regret in Steve's face, and the switch flipping in Stark with this betrayal.... This was such a huge moment that tore my heart, considering every moment these two have had together throughout the MCU....
My feelings exactly. Sh*t just got real. Made me so upset. and when Cap watch smashing the Iron face with the shield and the helmet came off, omg. Left him laying there was terrible. I wanted Bucky to die. I felt the vengeance. Zemo won. Great villian.
+Mike J I thought Cap was going to cry and say "I'm sorry Tony". But it really hit home when Cap dropped the shield. You knew that friendship was over at that moment.
CA: Your highness...
BP: Kiaptain...
HE: We haven't met I'm Clint.
BP: I don't care.
BP: Clint, give it to me
HE:(he does care😢😢)
deep down during the "recruiting" i wanted the screen to say "HELLS KITCHEN" and hawkeye is in matt murdocks apartment when matt comes home and and joins team cap
Marvel is going to kick so much ass this year...
And I like this review. I think there are problems with the film - *ahem* length *cough!* - but they somehow managed to approach these characters in a new way, especially my favourite, Spider-Man. They made him a awkward kid who really sounds like a New Yorker from Queens. There was something very charming and sweet about this. And, like the comic, I think Webhead will be changing teams to help out an old soldier.
Now, let's wait for the X-Men...
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+K August The X-men are Marvel characters, but their films are done by 20th C. Fox, not Marvel Studios. They are not part of the MCU.
+Michael Westmoreland-White I was commenting on Marvel in general, not the studios.
K August But it makes a difference in your comment. If X-men does well, "Marvel" isn't the reason and if it doesn't do well, MARVEL may still "kick ass,"--even if Fox doesn't.
I have to tell you, I am very worried about X-Men: Apocalypse based on the trailers. If it's great, fantastic. But if not, then let it suck really hard so Fox has to make a deal with Marvel like Sony did. Instead, it'll probably be somewhere in the middle--and thus help bring excitement about superhero movies down like Bats vs. Supes did. I worry about that very much.
+Michael Westmoreland-White First of all, relax.
Second, don't be so literal-minded.
Third, do you work for one of the studios, because that is the only reason I can see why I am having this texted conversation about a compliment that no one else cares about.
And, I will repeat it: MARVEL IS KICKING ASS!
Go "X-Men: Apocalypse"!
Every movie has plot holes, forced script moments, and inconsistencies. There is plenty you could pick at in this movie like with BvS, but if it's a well made movie and respects the characters to a reasonable degree, the problems do not overwhelm the enjoyment of the movie. That was the difference between my enjoying this movie and being disappointed by BvS... and I'm a self confessed DC fanboy (even at 44 years old) I just want to enjoy a good movie. Hoping for a great Wonder Woman movie. :)
"When you do the things that I can... but you don't.. and then the bad things happen.. it happened because of you"
That's Peter's exact quote, his mumbling teenager version of 'with great power'.
Loved that part too.
Guys, in Age of Ultron Scarlet Witch says that she looked into Tony Stark's mind, & his guilt will destroy him, & that he will do anything to make it right. So the last few movies they have been moving towards this way of thinking. The Alfre Woodard scene was the straw that broke the camel's back. It has been stated in every movie that he would go this way.
The problem with Batman V Superman was simple. Creative control! Give DC comics their own studio. Too many suits at Warner Bros Studios that know nothing about making comic movies. I'm glad Sony recognized this in themselves.
+htwoa aowth They do more success with Batman films than they do DC crossovers.
+htwoa aowth The problems are Zach Snyder and no oversight. Berlanti or someone should play the role that Feige does at Marvel or Kathleen Kennedy at Lucasfilms. Turning the directors lose is great for indiv. films--but if you are building a shared universe, then it is a real problem.
What's interesting is that Robert Downey Jr's debut music album was called The Futurist. #TrueStory
I know, I posted this in the non spoiler video, or at least I think I did, but I like how there's sort of a hierarchy to the character dynamics in this movie relative to the themes and conflict. In contrast to both Avengers movies (which seem to go out of their way to make sure that everyone has equal story relevance [except Thor in Ultron, sort of]) this movie has a very clear descending hierarchy of who has most bearing on the themes and plot;
1. Steve, Bucky and Tony are all sort of shared protagonists,
2. Zemo and T'Challa who have almost as much to do but aren't really in on the emotional struggle of the above three,
3. Wanda, Vision, and Peter, who are all firmly supporting roles but of the supporting characters have the most focus and reflect the themes of responsibility most clearly,
4. Natasha, Clint, Sam and Rhodey, all of whom are just as relevant as Wanda/Vision/Peter but who's values and representations relative to guilt and responsibility are alluded to less explicitly.
5. Scott, who of all the powered characters is definitely the one who's absence would be least conspicuous if you just took him out of the movie, but who still works as a representation of anti-authority altruism the same way Steve does.
6. Ross and Sharon, who are mostly there to be the more broad representation of Steve and Tony's sides.
Regulation needs to be addressed. Everyone should be part of the Sokovia Accords, even those who have different ideas. I know Rorschach is DC but he said this: Never compromise, not even in the face of armageddon. Well, sometimes we have to compromise. And Steve should have talked with Tony about the death of his parents, he knew Howard Stark, he should have done the right thing by his friend's son, and tell him everything. Its the lack of communication that causes conflict… Secrets are poison.
Hawkeye destroys Iron Man in the prison, even when Tony admits he's wrong. I think it was a strong scene, Jeremy Renner cuts him deep.
Zemo is more of the embodiment of collateral damage. He thinks the avengers are a virus after losing his family in AOU. In contrast to Miriam, Zemo was proactive by spending his time studying the avengers and decrypting hydra files leaked by black widow in CA:WS. After using Bucky as catalyst for the conflict between avengers and finding out that there are even more dangerous winter soldiers, he went to kill them because he doesn't want anymore collateral damage because Bucky alludes to the fact that they can cripple a nation without people knowing. Once Cap, Bucky and Tony were all in place, he played his ace card, the video of tony's parents murder, thus disassembling the avengers without throwing a single punch himself. That's how I see it anyway. Love you channel, great insight and discussions on here. Started reading the entire Hudlin black panther run.
+Superhero News
Did you guys notice that the word "Homecoming" as Spidey's movie title, also happens to be the one of the words that put Bucky in Winter Soldier mode?!
Listening to you guys talk about Civil War makes me smile almost as much as the movie did.
I have a solution for Bucky/Winter soldier: make him deaf so the code words from
Hydra won't work on him anymore coz he can't hear anything :D
LMAOOO
+robertshuxley What if they write those words in a piece of paper and show him? It will still affect his brain. Oh right let's make him blind.
Now that he's blind, what if they make him read those words in braille? Oh yeah let's cut his hands off.
Very smart.
Nila Dharan
his brainwashing was conditioned and triggered only by spoken words as shown in the flashback so making him read the words won't cause him to go psycho again
+robertshuxley it's specific to 3d, i need to watch it standard, i did not like the 3d.
Nila Dharan braille .
Superhero News! I really enjoyed your review! When you see the movie again; note that the new supersoldiers were not controllable and were a liabilty to hydra thus why they were just left behind. Zemo said "I am not interested in more of you". They were only a step in his plan to get Iron Man to see the video of his parents murder. Also there is a part in the movie when he comments that stonger men than him could not kill the superheroes- only they could tear each other apart. His goal that he planned since Sekovia was to destroy the Avengers and he did succeed. Now Cap (Nomad?) and his friend are forced underground and they all took a psychological beating, they paid a price no matter what side they remain on. Like Zemo said "did I really fail?". Zemo is a master manipulator and I do suspect that he will be back in the future and hopefully collecting baddies from the "raft"to become the :"Masters of Evil"!
I loved Baron Zemo. Because he was in the background and you didn't know all the time what he was up to, till the end of the movie. Was much more interesting then, oh he wants that, ok. Also it focused so much more on the conflict between the Avengers and not another Villan that just wants to destroy everything or rule everything.
Bucky, Spiderman, and Ant Man had the best performance. They maximized their powers the most.
Zemos point was that he knew he couldn't beat them but he thought he could tear them apart and make them beat each other. His plan worked. He may not be the most powerful of the MCU villains so far but his actions are the farthest reaching. The avengers are split largely because of him. they almost killed each other.
I have a hard time figuring out Zemo. I think making him Sokovian was an interesting move to drive him. Now you asked why did he make them fight each other. Yea there were better ways to get payback on the Avengers but making them slowly kill each other is actually pretty evil. It's not the most effective but I don't think that was the point for Zemo. He wanted it to be satisfying to him and he seemed to enjoy it well enough. With that in mind, I feel like Zemo was one of the better movie villains in the MCU so far. I would have liked to have seen him more closely resemble his comic counterpart but I don't see how they could have done that AND made him fit into the story the way he did. At least give him the purple mask haha. You do bring up an interesting idea about Zemo possibly starting the Masters of Evil later. We have Blonsky, isn't Whiplash/Crimson Dynamo still alive? It's been a while since I last watched IM2. They can do that.
Thinking about it, the way Zemo played out was similar to the way the villain worked in Oldboy, both didn't want to kill the protagonists but instead ruin their lives and the 3rd act/ending in both movies was pretty much the same by playing a video/audio that revealed something that would ruin the protagonists mentally and both villains were set on killing themselves upon success (Zemo was stopped by T'Challa)
Spider-Man is my 3rd favorite character in the 'MCU', Iron Man is my 2nd, and Captain America is my favorite.
Cap is just... right. For me, the "villain" of the movie is Tony. He doesn't know it, but he makes the wrong decisions and he fucks shit up.
But it's Loki staff so it's Loki fault :D (But Odin give Loki the staff so it's Odin fault :D)
Isn't it Thanos who gives Loki his scepter?
Ricois
My bad :P
Came here from SchmoesKnow and I was like, "these guys seem kinda cool". Subscribed. Watch the entire thing. Can't wait for more content...
+r jones Hector's articulate fanboying in that episode alone was reason enough to subscribe IMO.
My personal favorite character moment for me, when Peter gets knocked out by Giant-Man and Tony goes to check on him and Peter starts freaking out, that was a nice touch because this was probably Peter's first real fight and the first time he's been injured that bad. Also people in my theater cheered when Steve and Sharon kissed. It was hilarious.
I have to totally disagree with them on Zemo. He's my favorite villain after Loki. All his motivations worked and his plan wasn't convenient his plan was evolving. There were many times where his plan didn't go exactly where he wanted but he adapted to as need be. If Tony somehow didn't make it to the Hydra base then Zemo would have adapted his plan and leaked it online or send it to Tony. That's the whole point. Zemo was just demonstrating how flawed these heroes are in that they're just humans who can be broken just as much as anyone else. And he didn't even throw one punch. I thought Zemo was genius and not some typical villain but he had a depth and brilliance to him that really made this movie as amazing as it was. I didn't want him to release the five super soldiers that would have been a cliche ending and actually would have been a disservice to Zemo's plan because it would have united them not break them even more which is what he did. At the end Zemo won, the Avengers are broken and disbanded and many of them don't trust each other anymore. Rhodey can't walk anymore. Bucky has to go back in the freezer. Black Widow is on the run. Vision is all alone and lost Wanda. It's all broken and it was done by one man who was patient and adapted to any scenario he was presented with. I can't wait until they bring back Zemo in the future.
Exactly! The crew at SuperheroNews wanted Zemo to control the Winter Soldiers but that wouldve been really repetitive (good guys have to work together to beat the villains). I mean im sure it wouldve been a great fight scene but Zemo wanted to divide the Avengers not ally them. His last line "Did it [really fail] ?" says it all.
+Uchiha Madara Exactly! I'm always happy to see a villain who loses and wins at the same time because it shows that he is actually effective.
+TheSuperiorGeek it's also interesting to think that if he had killed himself he would have won completely
Cool review dudes. Disagree with Stark though, even if accountability absolutely makes sense. Given what happened in the pervious films, the safest hands are still their own. Collateral damage is unavoidable. Corruption is everywhere and with the super powered beings under the control of the government, anyone would use that to their advantage even if it's for accountability and safety, agendas change as Captain Rogers pointed out.
Agreed. Every problem is directly or indirectly caused by Mr. Stark. If anyone needs to be put in check is him.
+Samuel Shin I'm sure Stark invented Hydra, Loki and every other evil that exist. Too much TeamCap Coffee for you isn't it?
Good review. I like your point about Steve following his friends, though he is also a leader. Also one point about Tony and the Accords, the mom of the dead kid (Alfre Woodard) actually mentioned that she worked at the State Dept. Implication that she may have been involved in the development of the Accords. Even if not, it showed that Tony was recruited or coopted by Ross, not the other way around.
I love you guys' videos! But my comment has more to do with the general consensus of reviewers' and youtubers' thoughts on Zemo and something they don't mention: he succeeds in his plan. I think his plan is more Littlefinger, Petyr Bealish in GoT, and less Lex Luthor in BVS. Lex's plan is convoluted and unimaginably convenient, while Littlefinger's is complex and partially improvised. Littlefinger is inciting chaos within the realm and Zemo is inciting chaos within the avengers. They are splintered, we will see them come together again probably, but for now they are not together and have real grievances with one another.
To these people who were saying that the movie sucked and there was no good story plot and no huge consequences, you were wrong. There were huge consequences. Captain America, who was supposed to be a hero has become a fugitive, and the Avengers are split apart because of this conflict. That itself is the consequence of this movie. Sure, they will bring them back in Infinity War, but it will lead you to think if they will ever work like they did in the first Avengers. No one had to die. Rhodey being paralysed was already very bad. And the villain was subpar, like all other MCU villains, but it was not THAT convenient that all three of them were there. All in all,this was a good movie and the action was amazing. going to see it a second time this week.
You guys may be bummed out about BvS, but I'm not bummed out lol
I love them both! 😁
You liked BVS?
+Pauly Cappuzzno Yep
+Wggdin Briones it was too hyped and the characters weren't developed
+Wggdin Briones Im glad for you. I thought BvS was very disappointing but imo, Civil War was a masterpiece.
+Pauly Cappuzzno You still have the future movies bro 👍
When you say '"you hope Elizabeth Olsen knows what she is getting into", she actually made a comment in an old Ultron interview that 'House of M' is her favorite comic, and that she would love to see that on screen.
I feel a bias from Hector, dont get me wrong I loved Civil War, I love both DC and marvel, but these guys especially Hector, crapped on BvS when it didnt deserve that much hate. Warner bros did a great job, and they'll only improve. Hector as well as alot of us fail to see that out of like 12 movies in the MCU, only like 5 were actually good. Sorry, but the only reason, they forgot about the other 7 was because of how everything ties together, and that imo doesnt justify the bad thor movies and the last two iron mans, and the second avengers
I was EXACTLY like Hector when I saw the movie. Let me start by saying that I'm not a fanboy. I
RDJ has an album called The Futurist. I love that song too.
Completely agree that as a DC fan, I walked out jealous that Marvel did a great movie in Civil War but yet Batman vs Superman did not get the respect or excitement after it came out. DC has a lot to make up on having the DC universe come up to a strong level of future releases than BVS this March. I look forward to Suicide Squad this August which I hope will bring DCU and WB back from the early start of the year to end with a positive and entertaining movie at the end of the summer. Hector is 100% correct that Batman and Superman is a way better story arc between two iconic comic book characters than Iron-man and Captain America. The DCU has to bring its game by trying to climb up and eventually be at the same level as the MCU or possibly surpass them? Hope they can do it with Wonder Woman, The Flash, Aquaman, and eventually Justice League part 1 movies that are yet to come.
+Rodsuper 1213 I think WB has to fix there flaws in execution. I felt there might be big issues in in operating, probably from higher management level. There are mistake they made during the latter stage of their marketing, decision of scene cutting and etc. which wiped out many good done by project staff at the earlier stage.
I absolutely LOVED Tom Holland's Spider-Man. I jumped out of my seat when he and Black Panther appeared! Holland's Spidey was SO perfect in the way that the movie captured his scientific prowess (for example, how he cracked a joke about Cap's shield defying all laws of physics or how they touched on him creating the web fluid) and how the movie touched on the fact that he was a novice fighter and very inexperienced in his superheroing. And don't get me started on BP! The movie did his character the UPMOST justice. His fighting style, his vibranium claws and suit, and the stress put on him while holding the mantle of king and protector of Wakanda. The movie did so well in presenting everyone's powers and physical skills, and how they matched up to one another. Every character involved in the fight had a specific responsibility and skill set which they integrated into battle. I mean c'mon, the airport scene was badass but how they showed each mini-fight within the grand battle was f**kin genius!
This is one of my favorite movies of all time, i would give it a 10 as well because everyone in the movie was so awesome, especially spiderman
I think you all have 100% the wrong approach to Zemo. The whole point of Zemo was that he wasn't "Baron Zemo" or some guy in a suit that makes a good poster image. He was a regular guy with a very simple motivation with a very simple plan: Get the tape, and show the tape to Tony Stark. Use people's perceptions and preconceptions against them. I loved that he was always a step ahead of Steve Rogers, but that his only real goal was to make Tony Stark and Steve Rogers suffer LOSS. He wanted them to hurt. He didn't want to kill them, because that wasn't really a punishment. I liked that this whole conflict between Tony and Steve was about the circumstances and the fallout from their own previous actions, not about some random moustache-twirling villian in a cool costume. Zemo was the face of all the Sokovians and other people who have suffered the fallout of super-powered people's epic battles. And he exploited and manipulated the circumstances in a beautifully subtle way, which makes him my favorite Marvel villain so far (other than Loki, of course).
Death stare: December 16th, 1991.
Loved it everytime.
I havent even watched the video yet, just came to say I couldnt wait for you guys commentary on this. my fave youtube channel by far
Terrific as always guys, I thoroughly enjoyed the movie too, 9/10 from me.
I have to say though I somewhat disagree with your thoughts on Zemo. I think Zemo is probably the best Marvel villain to date. He wasn't motivated by world domination and what not, his motivations are completely reasonable in that he lost everyone he cared about due in part to the Avengers. He's also the only Marvel villain to defeat them and basically win, even if indirectly. More or less, he achieved his goal - to split the Avengers down the middle without the status quo returning by the end of the film - and he's just a regular guy with military training. He doesn't use any powers or tricks to achieve this, all he needs is a video tape.
I love civil war my birthday was May 6 the day it came out that was the best present
After watching it a second time, I can proudly say that Civil War exceeded my expectations. I couldn't believe what I saw and how it affected me emotionally in MANY ways
As soon as I saw "Queens" on the screen and the backpack, I got chills, and the chemistry between tom and rdj is amazing, and I teared up during that shot in the airport scene when spidey was standing with the avengers. Also, great review guys, been a huge fan of this channel for a long time:)
So the first time I saw it, Thursday night. I went with a group of friends.. like 10. all almost in the same row except for Mr and another friend & when the movie cut to "QUEENS" & showed someone walking with a DVD player... I lost it, turned around and looked at my friends like I lost my shit. I couldn't handle myself.
when ant man was in the iron man suit, i thought friday will say "i found a bug" :)
OMFG that would have been perfect
my favorite part was when iron man went straight savage and tried to completely eradicate bucky
+Jacob Butcher Yes, finally no jokes and just straight up emotions
+Andi X I know right even though the jokes were funny and the action was amazing (pun intended) but that was honestly the best part just seeing the pure emotions of anger and sadness from tony
I'm not a comic book reader but I had heard somewhere that Cap dies in the civil war comics. In that last fight, I was always thinking how they would kill him, but I thought Cap might kill Iron Man when he brings the shield down on his chest and Iron Man blocks his face thinking Cap was going to kill him. AMAZING SCENE! The best however was when I told my wife that Cap actually dies in the comics and and she said to me, well he did die figuratively when he dropped the shield, and this is only her second marvel movie after Age of Ultron. This tells you how great the movie is when non-marvel movie watchers are able to emotionally connect with the characters.
This is for Adam since your a fan boy of DC, when you go back and watch the movie again at the very end during Steve's letter there is a little nudge to Bruce Wayne. In the letter Steve says something along the lines of "I'm glad your back at the compound. I don't want you wandering around a mansion by yourself...". Just wanted to point it out to you
I was TeamIronMan, now I am TeamCap.