So, which amps from my collection should I feature next? The boost pedals in my current collection: OD808, Laney BCC Steelpark, Electric Eye Audio Mud Killer, Boss SD-1 and MXR 10 band. I also have a couple of distortion pedals like the Sunless Effects Cold Lands and of course all the emulated drives from the Helix range...
I have a 6505+ and honestly if I play a guitar with Emgs I usually prefer not to boost the amp. It has a sort of rawness and edgyness in the pick attack that you loose with the boost. I prefer to boost the amp with passives. Great video as always.
I agree emg’s are very hot and don’t really benefit from a boost. I use passive pickups so boosting is good 👍 but either way you can’t lose. More tone options.
I actually preferred the unboosted tone. I use a boost on mine but it is a clean boost, an MXR/CAE MC401 Boost/Linedriver at 18V set to 9 o'clock. It just allows me to drop the pre-gain slightly for a clearer gain structure that does not rely so much on V2. I have used this on a JSX, 3120, and 6534+
It’s a Peavey 6505 being played by a great player so both boosted and unboosted sound great! Personally I think the question of boost or no boost really comes down to what kind of sound you want/need out of the amp. Great demo!
That little extra punch in the low end when you don't use the boost is exactly what a lot of players are looking for in a rig for down tuned heavy playing. The boost removes that. With the boost, it sounds like a recording of a guitar, more two dimensional, more tamed but some punch removed. That may work better in a mix, I don't know.
You have to dial the amp according to the fact you're booster. Yes it removes some low end with a boost but you can always add a bit back to have just as much bass as before but tighter. Every amps benefit from a boost. The attack, the clarity, the tighter response, the mid bump and added agression more than make up for the slight bass you can still dial back in.
This is completely wrong. If you are playing something with a 7 or 8 string with a lot of staccato type things you need to cut a ton of bass. Or even playing in drop b with a 6 string I like to cut the bass.
I own and use this setup for my main rig(studio & live). I prefer the boosted tone simply due to the guitars I use; seven string guitars tuned to drop A. The boosted tone provides a little more tightness in the low end with a noticeable difference with pick attack.
What I love about the 6505(+) is how versatile it is within the high gain niche. Unlike a duel recto or something of that sort where you HAVE to have a boost to attenuate the low end, or in the other end of the spectrum an engal or 5153 that sounds like a swarm of bees if you add one in front. Like you can use a boost as I do to kind of carve out a unique sound for yourself out of an already rad baseline, or run it raw and just embrace it’s mid heavy but unique characteristics.
As always, amazing demonstration, amazing riffs. Your videos were very useful for my amp shopping, but this one convinced me: I need a 6505! And, it sounds good without the boost IMO!
Great video, I liked both with and without as they would obviously be used in different applications. I use a Suhr KoKo (Clean/Mid boost) on my 98 Rivera KH55 Knucklehead. They are a great amp but with a really loose bottom end, the KoKo boost tightened it up nicely without losing the dynamics of the amp. It is a tone monster now!!!!🤘🏻🤘🏻
I'm obsessed with boost pedals. I agree with you saying that each amp has it's own unique saturation and character, and I feel the same for different overdrive pedals. They all affect the direct signal in a way that's interactive with the amp's gain stages and EQ section, and different overdrives hit preamp tubes in a different way. I love going down rabbit holes with overdrive pedals. Personally I prefer boosted tones, but there's no right or wrong way IMO
@@SonicDriveStudio I love them. The Mesa Flux drive is one of my favorites. Grid Slammer is a great alternative to a TS9, the Earthquaker Plumes is versatile and is basically 3 pedals in 1, it's an endless rabbit hole. I can sit for hours tweaking drive pedals on the way into a high gain amp.
i always think that the newerer EVH amps are sounding like the older peavey 5150/6505 with a boost in the front, the 6534+ really needs a boost, the ultra and xxxx series are completely different animals. great video again
Great videos as always! Thank you for the content. I’ve been using the Helix more as I was inspired by your channel. Any chance we could get a video on how you might dial a boosted ANGL Meteor?
In the case of the 6505, I definitely preferred the fundamental tone of the non-boosted signal. The OD just made the gain structure too splatty. If there was one benefit it was the upper mid hike, the primary benefit of Tubescreamer circuit. In my opinion a half-decent noise gate at the front of the chain and 6-band graphic EQ in the loop would've achieved the same effect without smearing the gain structure. Ugh, I've been playing for too long.. 🤣
hey John, when I see you in front of the shelf of the amps, I feel like I'm in the Thomann, DE, near Nurnberg. If you plan payed visits to your studio, count on me! :) Happy Easter
Been looking for someone to run straight into the front of the 2-input model. Tube Screamers are all fine and dandy, but I much prefer either running straight in and getting the all-amp sound, or using a distortion pedal to get all my gain. I don't like when people ONLY demo amps with ODs in front, not every piece of gear needs help. And if it does, maybe it's not so great for metal. I think the 6505 definitely sounds better without a boost, the palm mutes are just really deep but still sound defined and ballsy. Can't wait to see the rest of the series!
I want to blend them. Boost lows & cut highs on a track w/o boost and up highs & cut lows on a boosted track. Curious to see it it will become more heavy on chugs and more crispy on individual notes.
The way you have the amp dialed in, I preferred un-boosted. With my 6505+, I dial in a bit darker and prefer an Ibanez TS-9 or a Horizon Devices Nano Attack. I have a Maxon OD-808, but it sounds really bright and a little tinny to my ears. That said, the 6505+ is the most played amp in my collection. Fantastic video and look forward to more in this series! \,,/
Oh man how i love this Amp.. since i got mine in 2006 :) ... It is still a Killer. After many Experiments i like to Boost it with a Boss SD-1 nowadays. Sounds a little more Modern to me than a TS-9 or 808 (have both) on the Red Channel. But the TS(es) can bring some singing middy sweetness on the Leads if you want to let them stand out more without touching the amp.
This is the video I didn't know I was waiting for! I usually play with the Archetype: Nolly amp 3, which is a very good emulation of this Peavey. I think both sounds are useful. It gonna depend on the style you wanna get. Personally, I prefer something more dynamic and versatile, but I'm open to turn on a boost for some parts. Thanks for your videos. Cheers!
nice one!! I'm boosting a 6505MH with a TC Spark booster, it's an awesome booster for a nice price, it retains the original characteristics from guitar without coloring it (in flat mode). I've tried with some overdrives as SD-1, TS9, TS Mini, Spark mini and the best results were with the sparks.. by the way, using it on clean channel and a Strat the 6505 can deliver some really shiny cleans, for those who say it's not possible to have "nice" cleans with it, I disagree :) give it a try with a single coil and a spark. I've bought a 6505MH after a lot of research and watching many many times your videos about the peaveys and oranges :) thanks for sharing them!!!
This is a GREAT example of how subtle changes can make a difference. Superb tones either way and completely complimentary in a multitrack situation. Now im curious about your 'Mic" / cab set up or if you went IR. Cheers
I prefer the boosted tone because I don't like hearing the chirps and rattles on in the high-end of the tone without it. I also like the extra bit of bite that comes with the boosted tone.
I have the 6505 120w and I have an MT-15. Personally, I like the 6505 unboosted but I do like the MT15 boosted on the red channel with the amps gain at about 9 o'clock.
I have a 6505 and I use an Ibanez ts9 with a schecter SLS elite which has modern fluence pick ups and to play metalcore you need that set up. That's the classic metalcore sound. Active pickups Ibanez tubescreamer or maxon and a 6505. Trivium august burns red bullet for my valentine all that remains all use that exact set up. Classic
I would boost but lower the gain on the amp a little bit to bring back some of the dynamics. Definitely works both ways but I personally always like to boost because it ALWAYS sounds better in a mix to do that if you can still get the dynamics out of the amp.
I like saggy and loose! Just funnin here, still loves my Hughes And Kettner Grandmeister 40. Lose or tight makes me happy. And some amazing cleans when needed. I have used a bunch you have on the wall but this is what i bought. Love the vh lunchbox as well.
I’ve never really thought of a boost changing the amp, only what the amp receives. I have a Revv G20 that I’m still trying to figure out. It’s really flubby so I love a boost to shave off some bottom.
It would depend on the pickups and tuning too. If you have let's say an EMG 81 and tuned to something like E standard or Drop C then is not necessary unless that is the sound you want. It becomes a must with low tunings and thicker sounding pickups.
I can’t choose which I prefer. Both great tones and would be happy with either tone out of my own 6505+. Would probably go with the boosted tone if using a 7 string
Often it depends what pickup you are using. I’d like to see the difference between active and passive. In my experience the difference between boosted or not has more impact on passives than for eg Emgs. Passives tend to have more bass
I absolutely agree with you about passives being alot more sensitive to boosts. Also agree with your idea of comparing actives to passives in an unboosted context.
It depends of the amp but, i used boost (same maxon) with level at max for a long time in front of high gain amp like EVH, peavey Ultra or JVM… And one day, i tried to start set level at noon. And i found it really better for me. I push it to 6/7 when the amp is less compress like the Ultra. It just tight and lightly compress the sound without being harsh or honky or add too much mid… specialy with EMG. And not really adding gain. In other hand, to play this style of metal i think the 57 is not the best choice. It sounds like a PAF and it has more presence in the upper mids, and give a « vintage » vibe to the sound to my opinion. It’s really nice for solo. But to play thrash or death riff i prefer use the good old 81. I did many AB comparison with different guitars and 81 came back in it for this purpose. 57 is multi style pickups and is really nice!
I preferred the boosted version for it's improved clarity and livelier sound. I recent used the Screamer effect in the HX Stomp with the Engl (Angl) Amp simulation to recreate the sound of a boosted Marshall JCM800 Amp. The results were absolutely stunning. The boost did some kind of voodoo magic to the tone just where needed to push it to the next level. Thanks
@@IBJ57 Hey Matthew, check out my comments on John Chordy's channel for his video titled "Engl Fireball 100 || One of the Best Amps in the Helix || Unexpected awesome Lower Gain tones!". I put in the importants settings I used, etc. I think you'll find it really helpful. If you don't know John's Channel, he post tons of useful information on Helix units, Presets, etc.
I like to run it on the Quad Cortex with a capture of the Lichtlaerm King In Yellow for that low cut tightening. I think with my flabby EMG808Xs, it needs that extra oosh to wrap it all up
Future boost pedals to try....Airis Effects Savage Drive, KSR Eros, Pepers Dirty Tree.......the KSR Eros is probably the best boost/OD pedal out today,imo. It's extremely versatile, loaded with features and can be used on almost any amp in any situation.
I like both tones boosted or not. I have my 6505+ with a TS808 tube screamer & I find myself switching the pedal on and off between riffs... It's a subtle difference but I notice it on lower end notes on my Schecter Elite Omen 7 string! Great video! More 6505 love plzz
With the boost is just a little better. Definitely tighter and more focused sounding however I will say this amp sounds great even without one. They can be had for a very reasonable price too! These are great amps!
The Only time I use the maxon to boost the sound is when I do this chugging sounds at breakdowns to make the sound bigger and round ! Leads , Rythm , chorus parts I use the amps own sound
@@SonicDriveStudio I'm gonna watch them now :-) But feel free to follow my suggestion to show the Mud Killer, the Maxon and the Steelpark in a Comparison with 3 amps (Marshall/Friedman, Rectalfire (haha) aaaaaaaand 6505/EvH/Invective)
I've never needed to boost at the input of high gain amps. What is effective that pedals like a TS accomplish by coincidence based on how it affects the tonality is really high pass filtering. Where I would use a clean boost is on the serial send/return path just to be able to toggle between normal rhythm levels and louder lead levels.
There is a noticeable difference in sound when you isolated them, my ear was happiest with the Maxon engaged. On side note I have the 6505+ combo amp and I like to use my MXR 6 band EQ pedal in the effects loop which really helps to shape my sound. Thank you!
Here's something you might want to try that I do with my PRS MT15. Try to make each sound like the other. For example, on the raw tone, dial back the bass and boost the mids on the EQ dials and with the boosted tone, boost the bass and dial back the mids a bit. They may never quite sound the same but doing so can produce a compromise tone where you get a tone in between a pure boosted and pure raw tone
Mate....this is insane, both no boost and boost sound amazing, I prefer the no boost sound, pure raw tone but my point here is that the whole making of this song sounds brutal, drums, bass, guitars..... there is some sort of something missing here that makes what you do something fucking brilliant in terms of production!!! (excuse my manners). I really admire your work buddy.
Good video, my only criticism, and it's entirely down to my taste is I would have liked to hear it in standard or half step down so I could relate it to my style
It all depends on your approach. If you truly want a natural, raw amp tone then no boost is the best choice. However, the boost really helps add some sustain to your signal path. Which would work perfect if you’d like to either add sustain to your palm mutes, or even use the boost for solos.
I didn't know the 6505 was this tight by itself. Honestly, the boosted sound was slightly imprecise and, as you said, scratchy, to my ears. I like it better unboosted.
Hi im a new sub to your channel and first video I came across was the 25 different tone on the emgl fireball will you do a comparison of the engl fireball vs engl powerball?
I've only recently started to go without a boost. I was always of the opinion that for metal a boost was a must. But it takes the breath from the amp and homogenises the tone to a considerable degree. As a half way solution, I've gone back to active pickups without a boost, emg 57s to be precise. They pair so beautifully with my dark terror.
I prefer boosted tones by default but your raw unboosted tone sounds incredible. Love both with and without boost in this vid :) Boost or not to boost? It depends on style, guitar and amp.
Good point! There is no definitive answer but that means that I can make infinite amounts of episodes with different guitars, amps, pedals and styles! Should be fun and hopefully a fun and interesting document!
The bosted tone sounds a lot better in the mix. The low end doesn't interfere with the kick and bass and the chords ring a lot clearer. I have never played a 6505, but I bet it feels better without the boost because of having more low end, but it sounds a looot better with other instruments when the boost is on.
Hearing you play, I like both tones. When I play my 5150 in the room, I much prefer it boosted with that exact pedal. You should do an ENGL Savage or Fireball!
So, which amps from my collection should I feature next? The boost pedals in my current collection: OD808, Laney BCC Steelpark, Electric Eye Audio Mud Killer, Boss SD-1 and MXR 10 band. I also have a couple of distortion pedals like the Sunless Effects Cold Lands and of course all the emulated drives from the Helix range...
You have a Laney ironheart 120 ? I'd love to hear some high gain metal tones from that amp. With and without a boost please
Engl ?
5150 III
@@Zordid0 THIS!
I have a 6505+ and honestly if I play a guitar with Emgs I usually prefer not to boost the amp. It has a sort of rawness and edgyness in the pick attack that you loose with the boost. I prefer to boost the amp with passives. Great video as always.
I have noticed that difference when I use my KH602 (EMG’s) I use no boost. With my Les Paul I use my boost.
I agree emg’s are very hot and don’t really benefit from a boost. I use passive pickups so boosting is good 👍 but either way you can’t lose. More tone options.
I actually preferred the unboosted tone. I use a boost on mine but it is a clean boost, an MXR/CAE MC401 Boost/Linedriver at 18V set to 9 o'clock. It just allows me to drop the pre-gain slightly for a clearer gain structure that does not rely so much on V2. I have used this on a JSX, 3120, and 6534+
this is what i do. just with a tumnus. ive been thinking i may like an eq pedal more for this though. need to try it
SD-1 sounds better with the amp I think over the Maxon.
It’s a Peavey 6505 being played by a great player so both boosted and unboosted sound great! Personally I think the question of boost or no boost really comes down to what kind of sound you want/need out of the amp. Great demo!
Great idea for a series. Love it
That little extra punch in the low end when you don't use the boost is exactly what a lot of players are looking for in a rig for down tuned heavy playing. The boost removes that.
With the boost, it sounds like a recording of a guitar, more two dimensional, more tamed but some punch removed. That may work better in a mix, I don't know.
You take the words from my mouth.
You have to dial the amp according to the fact you're booster. Yes it removes some low end with a boost but you can always add a bit back to have just as much bass as before but tighter.
Every amps benefit from a boost. The attack, the clarity, the tighter response, the mid bump and added agression more than make up for the slight bass you can still dial back in.
Yeah, but that extra low end is just gonna get buried by the bass and make you cut less in a band setting.
This is completely wrong. If you are playing something with a 7 or 8 string with a lot of staccato type things you need to cut a ton of bass. Or even playing in drop b with a 6 string I like to cut the bass.
w/out is my preference here. Great vid and playing!
This was just awesome!! Loved it, cant wait for more. Thank you so much!!🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
I own and use this setup for my main rig(studio & live). I prefer the boosted tone simply due to the guitars I use; seven string guitars tuned to drop A. The boosted tone provides a little more tightness in the low end with a noticeable difference with pick attack.
Good show, good stuff 👍keep going with your riffs, my kind !
you gotta write your own album! You always have some sick riffs and chords to surprise us!
What I love about the 6505(+) is how versatile it is within the high gain niche. Unlike a duel recto or something of that sort where you HAVE to have a boost to attenuate the low end, or in the other end of the spectrum an engal or 5153 that sounds like a swarm of bees if you add one in front. Like you can use a boost as I do to kind of carve out a unique sound for yourself out of an already rad baseline, or run it raw and just embrace it’s mid heavy but unique characteristics.
As always, amazing demonstration, amazing riffs. Your videos were very useful for my amp shopping, but this one convinced me: I need a 6505! And, it sounds good without the boost IMO!
Wow, great mix too man!
I have my TS9 at the same settings and I just love the mid attack and clarity it adds especially to a tube amp.
BRILLIANT!!! Yes!!! More of this series please!!!
Definitely planning on doing more
I generally like your tones un-boosted for sure, but in this context, boosted sounded better on my system. Always great tone! Well done Sir!!
You have the best tones man. Great video
Finally the video! I have a 6505+ and i boost it with the Maxon and it's absolute Killer! Never again without my OD.
Great idea for the serie!
Love the pure amp sound
Great video, I liked both with and without as they would obviously be used in different applications.
I use a Suhr KoKo (Clean/Mid boost) on my 98 Rivera KH55 Knucklehead. They are a great amp but with a really loose bottom end, the KoKo boost tightened it up nicely without losing the dynamics of the amp. It is a tone monster now!!!!🤘🏻🤘🏻
I don't think a person would hear the difference across a bar. Both are amazing.
Great series! I prefer the boosted tone, it just sounds meaner and more aggressive. The pick attack has more bite to it too.
I'm obsessed with boost pedals. I agree with you saying that each amp has it's own unique saturation and character, and I feel the same for different overdrive pedals. They all affect the direct signal in a way that's interactive with the amp's gain stages and EQ section, and different overdrives hit preamp tubes in a different way. I love going down rabbit holes with overdrive pedals. Personally I prefer boosted tones, but there's no right or wrong way IMO
Looks like I need M0Ar boost pedals! ;)
@@SonicDriveStudio try a boss BD2, it boost in a different way than OD808 or Boss SD1. tight but ballsy in the low end.
@@SonicDriveStudio I love them. The Mesa Flux drive is one of my favorites. Grid Slammer is a great alternative to a TS9, the Earthquaker Plumes is versatile and is basically 3 pedals in 1, it's an endless rabbit hole. I can sit for hours tweaking drive pedals on the way into a high gain amp.
i always think that the newerer EVH amps are sounding like the older peavey 5150/6505 with a boost in the front, the 6534+ really needs a boost, the ultra and xxxx series are completely different animals. great video again
Great videos as always! Thank you for the content. I’ve been using the Helix more as I was inspired by your channel. Any chance we could get a video on how you might dial a boosted ANGL Meteor?
excellent comparison, thanks !
Bruh, killer friggin' riff. Love it.
In the case of the 6505, I definitely preferred the fundamental tone of the non-boosted signal. The OD just made the gain structure too splatty.
If there was one benefit it was the upper mid hike, the primary benefit of Tubescreamer circuit.
In my opinion a half-decent noise gate at the front of the chain and 6-band graphic EQ in the loop would've achieved the same effect without smearing the gain structure.
Ugh, I've been playing for too long.. 🤣
Typing for too long more like, nothing insightful here just generic utterances
The unboosted sound for me. And great video. Keep it up!
hey John, when I see you in front of the shelf of the amps, I feel like I'm in the Thomann, DE, near Nurnberg.
If you plan payed visits to your studio, count on me! :)
Happy Easter
I have to watch again bc honestly nothing stuck out, which is a good thing
Been looking for someone to run straight into the front of the 2-input model. Tube Screamers are all fine and dandy, but I much prefer either running straight in and getting the all-amp sound, or using a distortion pedal to get all my gain. I don't like when people ONLY demo amps with ODs in front, not every piece of gear needs help. And if it does, maybe it's not so great for metal. I think the 6505 definitely sounds better without a boost, the palm mutes are just really deep but still sound defined and ballsy. Can't wait to see the rest of the series!
No boost! That amp sounds insane as it is. I love amp gain and low end soo much!
I prefer the sound without the boost
I want to blend them.
Boost lows & cut highs on a track w/o boost and up highs & cut lows on a boosted track.
Curious to see it it will become more heavy on chugs and more crispy on individual notes.
The way you have the amp dialed in, I preferred un-boosted. With my 6505+, I dial in a bit darker and prefer an Ibanez TS-9 or a Horizon Devices Nano Attack. I have a Maxon OD-808, but it sounds really bright and a little tinny to my ears. That said, the 6505+ is the most played amp in my collection. Fantastic video and look forward to more in this series! \,,/
In my opinion i prefer to boost!
Congrats from Brazil
Oh man how i love this Amp.. since i got mine in 2006 :) ... It is still a Killer. After many Experiments i like to Boost it with a Boss SD-1 nowadays. Sounds a little more Modern to me than a TS-9 or 808 (have both) on the Red Channel.
But the TS(es) can bring some singing middy sweetness on the Leads if you want to let them stand out more without touching the amp.
This is the video I didn't know I was waiting for! I usually play with the Archetype: Nolly amp 3, which is a very good emulation of this Peavey. I think both sounds are useful. It gonna depend on the style you wanna get. Personally, I prefer something more dynamic and versatile, but I'm open to turn on a boost for some parts.
Thanks for your videos. Cheers!
nice one!! I'm boosting a 6505MH with a TC Spark booster, it's an awesome booster for a nice price, it retains the original characteristics from guitar without coloring it (in flat mode). I've tried with some overdrives as SD-1, TS9, TS Mini, Spark mini and the best results were with the sparks.. by the way, using it on clean channel and a Strat the 6505 can deliver some really shiny cleans, for those who say it's not possible to have "nice" cleans with it, I disagree :) give it a try with a single coil and a spark.
I've bought a 6505MH after a lot of research and watching many many times your videos about the peaveys and oranges :) thanks for sharing them!!!
My EHX Soul Food is kinda like that. Very clean too! Would love to try the spark
This is a GREAT example of how subtle changes can make a difference. Superb tones either way and completely complimentary in a multitrack situation. Now im curious about your 'Mic" / cab set up or if you went IR. Cheers
It seems to me that the boost takes away a lot of the lows and body of the tone. I preffer it without the boost.
I prefer the boosted tone because I don't like hearing the chirps and rattles on in the high-end of the tone without it. I also like the extra bit of bite that comes with the boosted tone.
Both sounds great
I have the 6505 120w and I have an MT-15. Personally, I like the 6505 unboosted but I do like the MT15 boosted on the red channel with the amps gain at about 9 o'clock.
I prefer to BOOST to tighten up the low end 🎸🎵 I like the added sustain too.
Definitely to Boost! I would turn the gain to about 12 midnight to get a more clean boost type sound but that's it.
Just an FYI, my life changed when I put a 10 band MXR pedal into the effects loop of this amp. It’s sick.
I have a 6505 and I use an Ibanez ts9 with a schecter SLS elite which has modern fluence pick ups and to play metalcore you need that set up. That's the classic metalcore sound. Active pickups Ibanez tubescreamer or maxon and a 6505. Trivium august burns red bullet for my valentine all that remains all use that exact set up. Classic
6505 + Maxon = ❤
When boosted this amp has a particular snarl that’s honestly really cool. What would it sound like with a Nano Attack in front of it?
I would boost but lower the gain on the amp a little bit to bring back some of the dynamics. Definitely works both ways but I personally always like to boost because it ALWAYS sounds better in a mix to do that if you can still get the dynamics out of the amp.
It's exactly what he did. He lower from 5 unboosted to 3 boosted.
@@RickMold I know that. I would lower it further to about 2.5 or even 2. I'd also perhaps boost a bit of the tone on the pedal to get a bit more bite.
Boosted signal from Maxon OD, eat little raw bass in the first gain stage .... But both sounds very good 👍
Wow, LoVe that guitar...the white EC1000 ....DaMn!!!!!
Great show. I prefer no boost. It seems less aggressive to me.
I like saggy and loose! Just funnin here, still loves my Hughes And Kettner Grandmeister 40. Lose or tight makes me happy. And some amazing cleans when needed. I have used a bunch you have on the wall but this is what i bought. Love the vh lunchbox as well.
Would love to see you making a review of the Old Peavey Triple XXX.
Could be fun!
Underrated amp in my opinion - James Brown wrote somewhere, that the Triple XXX was his favorite amp of the ones he did with Peavey.
I’ve never really thought of a boost changing the amp, only what the amp receives. I have a Revv G20 that I’m still trying to figure out. It’s really flubby so I love a boost to shave off some bottom.
It would depend on the pickups and tuning too. If you have let's say an EMG 81 and tuned to something like E standard or Drop C then is not necessary unless that is the sound you want. It becomes a must with low tunings and thicker sounding pickups.
I can’t choose which I prefer. Both great tones and would be happy with either tone out of my own 6505+. Would probably go with the boosted tone if using a 7 string
Often it depends what pickup you are using. I’d like to see the difference between active and passive. In my experience the difference between boosted or not has more impact on passives than for eg Emgs. Passives tend to have more bass
I absolutely agree with you about passives being alot more sensitive to boosts. Also agree with your idea of comparing actives to passives in an unboosted context.
I don't mean to interrupt, but I just wanted to say that I also agree with everything you agree with.
It depends of the amp but, i used boost (same maxon) with level at max for a long time in front of high gain amp like EVH, peavey Ultra or JVM…
And one day, i tried to start set level at noon. And i found it really better for me.
I push it to 6/7 when the amp is less compress like the Ultra.
It just tight and lightly compress the sound without being harsh or honky or add too much mid… specialy with EMG. And not really adding gain.
In other hand, to play this style of metal i think the 57 is not the best choice.
It sounds like a PAF and it has more presence in the upper mids, and give a « vintage » vibe to the sound to my opinion.
It’s really nice for solo.
But to play thrash or death riff i prefer use the good old 81.
I did many AB comparison with different guitars and 81 came back in it for this purpose.
57 is multi style pickups and is really nice!
I share your opinion, cheers!
I preferred the boosted version for it's improved clarity and livelier sound.
I recent used the Screamer effect in the HX Stomp with the Engl (Angl) Amp simulation to recreate the sound of a boosted Marshall JCM800 Amp. The results were absolutely stunning. The boost did some kind of voodoo magic to the tone just where needed to push it to the next level. Thanks
That is what I am going for too with my Helix. I would love to see SDS do a video on the L6 ANGL amp to dial in that tone.
@@IBJ57 Hey Matthew, check out my comments on John Chordy's channel for his video titled "Engl Fireball 100 || One of the Best Amps in the Helix || Unexpected awesome Lower Gain tones!". I put in the importants settings I used, etc. I think you'll find it really helpful. If you don't know John's Channel, he post tons of useful information on Helix units, Presets, etc.
I like to run it on the Quad Cortex with a capture of the Lichtlaerm King In Yellow for that low cut tightening. I think with my flabby EMG808Xs, it needs that extra oosh to wrap it all up
Future boost pedals to try....Airis Effects Savage Drive, KSR Eros, Pepers Dirty Tree.......the KSR Eros is probably the best boost/OD pedal out today,imo. It's extremely versatile, loaded with features and can be used on almost any amp in any situation.
I like both tones boosted or not. I have my 6505+ with a TS808 tube screamer & I find myself switching the pedal on and off between riffs... It's a subtle difference but I notice it on lower end notes on my Schecter Elite Omen 7 string! Great video! More 6505 love plzz
With the boost is just a little better. Definitely tighter and more focused sounding however I will say this amp sounds great even without one. They can be had for a very reasonable price too! These are great amps!
that is a killer riff
The Only time I use the maxon to boost the sound is when I do this chugging sounds at breakdowns to make the sound bigger and round ! Leads , Rythm , chorus parts I use the amps own sound
Did you ever do a comparison video of boost pedals? 🤔 I think of Maxon, BCC Steelpark and the Mud Eliminator in special
I've done a couple actually but I might do more
@@SonicDriveStudio I'm gonna watch them now :-) But feel free to follow my suggestion to show the Mud Killer, the Maxon and the Steelpark in a Comparison with 3 amps (Marshall/Friedman, Rectalfire (haha) aaaaaaaand 6505/EvH/Invective)
I don't boost it, but a mxr10 in the effects loop mmmm *chefs kiss* that's the one.
Dang dude! Your compositions are spectacular!
Thanks!
I've never needed to boost at the input of high gain amps. What is effective that pedals like a TS accomplish by coincidence based on how it affects the tonality is really high pass filtering. Where I would use a clean boost is on the serial send/return path just to be able to toggle between normal rhythm levels and louder lead levels.
There is a noticeable difference in sound when you isolated them, my ear was happiest with the Maxon engaged. On side note I have the 6505+ combo amp and I like to use my MXR 6 band EQ pedal in the effects loop which really helps to shape my sound. Thank you!
I preferred without boost
Here's something you might want to try that I do with my PRS MT15. Try to make each sound like the other. For example, on the raw tone, dial back the bass and boost the mids on the EQ dials and with the boosted tone, boost the bass and dial back the mids a bit. They may never quite sound the same but doing so can produce a compromise tone where you get a tone in between a pure boosted and pure raw tone
That's exactly how I would do it with the MT15 indeed!
Mate....this is insane, both no boost and boost sound amazing, I prefer the no boost sound, pure raw tone but my point here is that the whole making of this song sounds brutal, drums, bass, guitars..... there is some sort of something missing here that makes what you do something fucking brilliant in terms of production!!! (excuse my manners).
I really admire your work buddy.
I always use a boost. I will however, use a specific boost for a specific amp. They all react differently.
Good video, my only criticism, and it's entirely down to my taste is I would have liked to hear it in standard or half step down so I could relate it to my style
Have you ever just used a Boss 7 band EQ for a boost? That's what I use..
It all depends on your approach. If you truly want a natural, raw amp tone then no boost is the best choice. However, the boost really helps add some sustain to your signal path. Which would work perfect if you’d like to either add sustain to your palm mutes, or even use the boost for solos.
Boosted all day. Just can't live without those tight, metallic-sounding palm mutes.
I didn't know the 6505 was this tight by itself. Honestly, the boosted sound was slightly imprecise and, as you said, scratchy, to my ears. I like it better unboosted.
Hi im a new sub to your channel and first video I came across was the 25 different tone on the emgl fireball will you do a comparison of the engl fireball vs engl powerball?
I'd love to
@@SonicDriveStudio thank you I haven't seen any videos comparing the 2 and it will give a huge insight to those engl fans 😁 thank you 😁
On my Axe FX, the 6505 and EVH 5150 don't seem to need a boost. The Peavey has a little more low end, so I would only possibly boost that if needed.
Maybe good to record both , the one that trails behind slightly will make the guitar sound huge !!
How about the Orange OR15, does it need a boost? I’m curious simply because I own that amp. 🤔
Doing some Oranges in this series for sure!
I really enjoyed it boosted more. It has “that sound” many bands look for. It’s just a fail safe setup.
I've only recently started to go without a boost. I was always of the opinion that for metal a boost was a must. But it takes the breath from the amp and homogenises the tone to a considerable degree. As a half way solution, I've gone back to active pickups without a boost, emg 57s to be precise. They pair so beautifully with my dark terror.
I prefer boosted tones by default but your raw unboosted tone sounds incredible.
Love both with and without boost in this vid :)
Boost or not to boost? It depends on style, guitar and amp.
Good point! There is no definitive answer but that means that I can make infinite amounts of episodes with different guitars, amps, pedals and styles! Should be fun and hopefully a fun and interesting document!
I prefer with a boost for any amp and this, to me sounds better with a voost as well.
an old friend of mine has a gibson custom, that thing makes any amp sound tight somehow
I prefer without booster, I would like you to make a video with the sansamp gt2
The bosted tone sounds a lot better in the mix. The low end doesn't interfere with the kick and bass and the chords ring a lot clearer. I have never played a 6505, but I bet it feels better without the boost because of having more low end, but it sounds a looot better with other instruments when the boost is on.
What do you recommend to run in the FX loop?
Killer Riffs :)
Hearing you play, I like both tones. When I play my 5150 in the room, I much prefer it boosted with that exact pedal.
You should do an ENGL Savage or Fireball!
Will do the Fireball