I AM MOTHER (2019) Ending Explained
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Boy, girl, mother, daughter. Netflix just can't name people
Brennnan Bauer 😂 Fr
Netflix: HaHa😒😒
(Lmbo😂😂😂)
Hahahaha bitch for real nigga
They learned from Kratos.... BOI!
Yeah it got me thinking of bird box
Thanos: i snapped half of existence away
Mother: hold my embryos
He'd rather not
The entire universe verses one planet’s population.
Ghostoast9 She didn’t do much compared to him period. You know how large a universe is???
Ghostoast9 What she did compared to Thanos is close to removing one piece of sand from a beach, but a million times smaller scale.
Lmaooo
It completely passed over my head that their really was only 3 actors and one was a baby
@@josedirks3973 Lol that was Rose Byrne. She's a great actress and very pretty.
What about the toddler?
There's the baby, the child, the teenage girl, the woman, the guy who played mother, and the mother of the baby being CGIed into mother in some of the baby scenes. 6 people, 7 in you count the voice of mother.
@Angel Vollant a guy wearing a robo suit. He was there for mocap and things like that. He doesn't actually have any lines to my knowledge.
5 including the robot and little girl
I will admit that seeing Mother running at full speed was pretty terror inducing.
IKRRR
If terror means sexy. Then yes it was shear terror
Right
@@uzicarries8582 100% would smash
It mad me laugh so much
I can’t wait for the sequel “I AM NOT THE FATHER.”
And the alternate sequel "I AM YOUR FATHER"
😂that’s actually pretty funny man
That was good. Lol
Fucking genius
In the background they say you can still hear the crowd chanting:
" Jerry Jerry Jerry "
Mother could literally storm through area 51 the way she runs
Mother :'naruto runs'
Mother I am speed
We will use her next year
lisa hope unless she gets shot in the CPU. Then we fucked 😭
This aged like milk
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I love how they put it in days instead of years so most of us would overlook the fact and not calculate it ourselves so we wouldn’t catch on that the girl at the beginning was not the same girl later on lol had me fooled for sure.
I'm just a nerd that likes math. So I pulled out my calculator and tried to find out how Old she was, and was confused as to why she was like 30 years old🙃
@@luanlang795 Similarly I noticed it works out to something over 30 years without a calculator, but didn't really put it together until I also noticed that Daugter is APX03, while in the beginning we saw Mother take out APX01. I also didn't notice that babies take 24h to gestate. I assumed we skipped 9 months and only saw the timer in the last 24h.
I assumed they just aged differently, since they were born in a day, maybe their growth was different
@@poisonpotato1 Lol I just assumed they chose an actor that didn’t look the right age like we see in a lot of films and tv shows these days 💀
I did do a rough calculation but didn't really put it all together myself till it was explained. Then it all fit pretty seamlessly.
The fact that mother started the crops 6 months in advance just shows how certain she was that 03 would pass her last test. That's some powerful AI right there.
that's a lot of food for a woman and a baby. there's probably other vaults like that sprinkled everywhere all over the world.
Will Smith: I Am Legend
Thanos: I Am Inevitable
Netflix: I Am Mother
-FoundFlix uploads
Me: I Am Happy
Lol
Just Some Guy without a Mustache I am iron man
Just Some Guy without a Mustache you are gay
Iron Man: And I... I am Iron Man
"You could not live with your own failure, where did that bring you? Back to me. "
It's very respectable that the robot isn't just a cgi model but actually a practical suit.
i would love to recreate it for Halloween XD
@@ecogreen123 I would love to see someone wear it. Hope you succeeded
i hope i will too XD might take a while tho
Very Cool 👍
Try going to the bathroom in that suit and you'll see its not all that practical.
It was kind of suspicious that the unknown woman looked a lot like 03 but just older. Pretty genius foreshadowing of how the test subjects were treated.
yeah i thought that too
100% the second I saw the woman I assumed she'd turn out to be one of the babies from the facility; that thought was cemented when she mentioned having been found as a baby.
This is low budget? Oh? i wouldn’t have guessed that tbh
Movies with 50x the budget do worse
Low budget forces the movie to focus on storytelling and acting, which usually improves a movie.
honestly watching it, i thought the fog and storage containers looked really low quality
@@starryeyedsongstress I was too caught up in the story to see the set
Yeah
Mother: destroyed humanity
Also Mother: advanced humanity
"You are bad guy, but you are not bad guy?"
Mother: well yes, but no
it hurt itself in it's own confusion!
Wreck it ralph
@@torenjohnson2585 Goto Pacific Rim.
@Darko Bakula Stupid plot.
Honestly, Mother ended up being like a more interesting Skynet
Yeah, at least she wanted to fix humanity, unlike Skynet just killing them off
The difference is that Mother wants to get humanity to a point of perfection, without errors, without any conflict.
Skynet just thinks that the problem of war, and damage in the world is the same hummanity, and tries to extinct it just to end all the conflicts.
Skynet never happened, you probably mean Legion
The truth is, she's way smarter then skynet, because she put real effort into her project of course-corecting humanity. She was willing to learn how to raise one to her image of perfection, and presumably succeeded. Skynet just killed everything with no mercy. Mother had emotional investment to the point of willing to die for her old creaters. Skynet cheesed and brute forced everything with time travel. Mother should have waited for a natural extinction event. She would have had no blood on her hands besides 02. Even then, she could have waited her out again.
@@legendarycowboy4077 yes, but how she saied humans are very distructive, they could have destroyed the earth, even making it unhabitable. I am not saying that she did a good thing, but it was the most logical thing to do in order to start a better human kind
**Sorry for the grammar mistakes I am still learning English**
Daughter: You destroyed humanity
Mother: Did I though?
Funny
She saved it.
Human gonna be human. Mother is Thanos v2
Daughter : *you* destroyed humankind
Mother : it's has been *human own stupidity in the first place*
Daughter : *confused noises*
Human : *gun to daughter head has always been*
Currently humanity is falling apart, so I sent the computer men from Pluto to bash human kind kneecaps for what they caused on earth
I got sad when I realized mother was a robot which couldn’t feel so all those things she said were just manipulation to make “the perfect human” and if they didn’t keep being “perfect” she’d just kill them ...
Aniqa Usha me too...I get suckered into feeling for the robots even though I logically know they are robots therefore incapable of emotion. I always fall for it and begin to hope they do actually care and get sad when reminded they don’t. I’d be the first cunt dead in a robot take over sadly
@@sasukesbussy7101 In theory a robot can have feelings, real feelings just like a human. And you can sort of look at people like hugely sophisticated organic machines, or robots.
If a robot doesn't have true feelings it's because they aren't developed enough, or their creators didn't want the robots to have true feelings.
Who knows, maybe someday in the future we might have ai advanced enough to feel emotion, maybe advanced enough to be like an average human. Maybe in the future you could just call your ai friend Brandon to go bowling. And they are just like a regular human but you know made of metal. Who knows what the future will hold, good or bad, nobody knows, and personally I’m excited to find out
@@roborex6 I think there are maybe two ways to program an AI. One way would be the "classical" way, just input all the commands and programs however complex and huge that may be.
Or maybe another way would be similar to how humans develop a mind and feelings. Instead of programming or bake those feelings in, the robot should be made with the capacity to learn and change based on what he learned.
In that way those feelings of "want" or "anger" or maybe even natural intelligence, skills and so on, would be formed sort of naturally.
Still certain feelings should be baked or programmed in from the start, like the desire to live and maybe fear and self preservation. That should drive him/it to learn on its own and develop.
Think of it like this, Robots are man-made and are given emotions and feelings, we are man made and develop emotions, mostly from our surroundings and the people, if your lowballing it, it's kinda the samething
"humans are stupid and selfish"
This robot clearly hasn't met Keanu Reeves yet
Reanu keeves
Detective Spoopy Egg Eanu Eeves
@@Figgyv ceanu ceeves
@@mr.eeggbert1340 creamed craves
@@Prince-ug9vf *STEAMED HAMS*
When Mother starts running: *We're in the endgame now.*
Steve Chase fr when she started running I was like “ohhh shit they gonna die”
Mother running is honestly scary af
I was thinking same
😂😂😂😂
Hodor it would take over 500 “mother-androids “ to destroy a being like thanos. We need an android of army’s like mother, but mankind US gotta make fukknn damn sure the AI won’t go all Ridley Scott on us and destroy mankind !! if you Havnt seen his alien trilogy collection. Omg you won’t understand my reference
So mother was the one that got all those crops back up and running?, At least she's actually trying to save humanity
Shes ending humanity. The crops are for the new humanity she and daughter is starting
She's trying to make a new humanity.
She killed the last generation of humans.
@@illegalastra2 she ended* humanity 😀
@@illegalastra2 Humanity already ended themselves, in order to preserve the earth she had to speed it up
@@gamerplays5131 thats one way to say it
Mother going back to tell the woman she survived so much only because SHE was only allowing it for her Final Test and then folding her(out of view) is one of the coldest scenes ever fr
Me: *never seen I Am Mother, never heard of I Am Mother, didn't know I Am Mother existed*
UA-cam: "what does the ending to I Am Mother mean?"
Me: valid question, let's find out
Same ma dude.
same
Same I just love stories and a satisfied ending
Well it was the only question that mattered
@@floxersadd4952 I know, right? Rare case of a cool premise also not devolving into a pointless ending.
I feel my panic attacks when I see mother running.
U have panic attacks..🤦🏻♂️
kysike666 oh no someone has anxiety 😒
Jesus what is wrong with these people. She did nothing wrong.
@@anvthema1925 She is weak, the weak must perish so the strong can thrive.
*I. AM. JOKING.*
shit is low key terrifying lmao.
“Ready to bake baby fetuses” 😂 Humans came back into existence through an easy bake oven program 😂
Easy bake baby
Forbidden muffins.
@@ElisaSarah forbidden meat pies
@@convergenceclown2386 Baby Bites.
Shake and bake babies 👋☄⏳🎂😳👶👶👶👶👶👶👶👶👶
I swear, the image of mother zooming through the halls will never be able to leave my mind, it's scary as shit
And how damn big was this place?!?
why? she would catch you pissing in the pants?? LOL
Why do good movies like this always get swept under the rug
Because people like little gucci
This movie was actually in cinemas in my country :D
cause people are stupid. hence the purpose of MOTHER. LOL
Because the big masses prefer mindless fun over a mirror held to their imperfections, that would ultimately make them think.
@@burningmisery definitely agree. There are so many comments about how this movie is awful and they're tired of the "humanity sucks" narrative. But like... humanity as a whole DOES suck, but they refuse to lift the veil. This movie was amazing imo, it was so hard to pick a side since both sides were terrifying
Mother to 01: "you could not live with your own failure and where did that bring you? Back to me"
Also mother: "I am inevitable"
Also Mother "Oof wait Im not a living form yes"
The film starts with it saying "13,800 days" which is like 40 years
Can you explain what that means please
Gel Sm what what means?
@@gelsm8709 the woman is the first baby
It relates to how old the first embryo is and how short amount of time it took for world domination.
@@amarisin1228 then why did it seem like the mother didn't recognize the woman?
Daughter: *meets first actual human in entire life*
Also Daughter: *almost instantaneously learns about betrayal, subterfuge, how to lie, how to kill*
Also Also Daughter: *doesn't let it make her equally as awful*
Truly an advanced human
Daughter lied to Mother several times, and engaged in subterfuge - also betrayed Mother, although I would say Mother betrayed Daughter first.
@@fuzzywzhe But daughter's intention was never to harm mother, and her killing mother in the end for being wrong was the point. Mother was wrong, deceitful and a threat and so Daughter protected herself. Mother WAS Daughter's last test.
@@QuestionQuestionMark Daughter is a child that has never raised a baby before.
Engh, I just saw it as a flaw in the film.
Whatever, it's just a film. I can't take many seriously. I spend the entire time watching any film, to pick it apart and find errors in it.
Memento is one of my favorite films because it was so logically consistent, except ONE scene.
@@fuzzywzhe But she has the knowledge and know how to do that. You don't perform heavily sensitive surgeries as a fucking 15 year old and no know how to take care of a baby. That makes 0 sense. Yes she probably knows how to take care of a baby, if she can operate on a grown ass woman. If you've reached THAT stage being THAT young, you're more than likely a genius. Daughter is a child....raised to be a genius by a robot....and can perform complex things that the average person can't...It's not far to think that she'd be able to take care of another human. Or at the very least be able to adapt exceptionally fast. After all she's a genius. This film leaves no doubt that Daughter can become a mother. That's the entire purpose......did you watch the same movie I did....?
This movie was so damn good, it was such a damn plot twist.
Chris S. I like your profile pic of warlock
Damn
Ikr? Really played with your head
Warlock gang
Oh yeah.
This takes "ALL ACCORDING TO PLAN" to a whole new level.
Literally
This is what I call
**THE GREAT TERRIFORMING DISASTER**
But then again
**WAS IT A DISASTER?**
(translator's note: keikaku means 'plan')
#3 was playing 4D chess while mother is over here with her 16D, 360° VR, mind games
*"Limited budget"*
Continue to show high quality scenes.
Better than seven deadly sins season 3
Yeah I think the quality was thanks to them limiting the amount of sets they had, which I don’t think badly affected the movie since it is almost entirely focused on the story
all the outside scenes were on one beach
I feel like they wanted to make mother the bad guy so bad, but I like her lol
The thing is... there's isn't really a bad guy in this movie... Mother was made to make better humans, at humanity always waged war, and scientists knew it would continue until we'd be almost instinct, so they made Mother, gave her human DNA to code around with, gave her all the knowledge of nurturing and everything else which Humanity had taught themselves.
Then humans died, panic struck in, only small groups surviving.
Mother began her program, creating a baby out of specifically tailored DNA and left it for the humans to raise 01, this showed yet again that humans were flawed to an unhealthy amount.
So she made 02, and raising the child in her own care, never subjecting it to outside knowledge, or critical thinking, thus the child grew selfish; most likely.
03 was the one where she told about humanity and their flaws, showing the daughter all the protentional children.
and forcing a meeting between 01 and 03.
And finally getting a human who showed sympathy, showed responsibility and patience.
Therefore her job was done, but because 01 was still flawed and selfish, aggressive and unfriendly, she had to go, in order to ensure the safety of 03's upcoming children.
Chief Amvs I literally sided with her right from the start
Sammej Elisa agree
@@cenizafranciskarlempleo8-a745 I apologiseses 😅
🤨 She nearly wiped out the entire human race and only allowed one human to survive so long as she was completely subserviant to her... there has literally never been anyone in human history comparably evil to that.
To put it simply, Mother did everything right from the beginning to the end of the movie. Mother’s actions were driven by both her pure intent to save the human race, which is then backed up by her logically sound decision making.
If you want to play devils advocate then you could take the moral and ethical high ground, by arguing that Mother did some rather ‘nasty’ things, which would be a valid point, but this is where the whole concept of human morality comes into play and then things gets tangly.
You see morality is a human construct that has been formulated over the centuries by us through a human lens. This concept of morality doesn’t apply to Mother because she is a robot, which makes her the perfect candidate for reestablishing the human race as she is immune to these sometimes restrictive set of codes and principles that in many cases ends up hurting more than helping.
I know it sounds crazy but when you look at the movie from a purely logical and unbiased perspective then you can begin to see where Mother is coming from. Probably one of the hardest things to come to terms with in the entire movie is 02’s death which is revealed to us towards the end. This is completely understandable because the mere idea of a young girl being incinerated isn’t easy to mentally grapple with but after much thought I started to see how this horrible deed could be justified.
Think of it like this, if your kid started showing signs that he/she was a psychopath at a young age all the way up until the point where said child brutality murdered a bunch of people, you as a parent wouldn’t feel somewhat responsible for what happened to other people’s children because I know I would.
By this I am definitely not purposing that 02 was a psychopath who was going to go on a killing spree but what I am saying is that she obviously did something sever enough to warrant her death at the hands of Mother. Also this idea of a major failure on 02’s part can be further supported by Mother’s reaction to 03’s many substantial mistakes that were over looked by Mother. This means that Mother didn’t just cremate 02 because she threw a temper tantrum but instead something catastrophic that 02 did or maybe something simply within 02’s nature that Mother saw as a threat to the future human race such as lack of empathy, the presence of extreme greed or lust for power.
If anyone read all of this, then thank you for putting up with my rambling for so long.
I took the time to read it all. And you make some valid points. TBH I thought the same things as you did. Well almost all the same things. Still I totally get your "ramblings" lol 😂💀 😂
All very good points. When she ran away with 01 I was thinking “damn mother will probably kill 03 if she tries to come back” but didn’t which means that 02 would of had to have a severe compromising “defect” that would lead the future human race in full circle. honestly I believe that every single action mother made was to build 03 with the side of a human and robot to give her a full understanding of what really needs to be done to improve and push the human race further. Sorry for my rambling 😬.
Simply put the robot does not have a soul and driven purely on logic which gives it the best chance to save humanity
You make a good point about mother being ethical through the lenses of utilitarianism. She absolutely does what is the greater good.
More importantly she structures 3's upbringing specifically to produce a more nuanced understanding of ethics and morality. She shows us, the audience, this in the scene with the organ donor problem.
This is why mother sacrifices herself. 3, according to mothers utilitarianism is a better mother, thus she is more likely to do more good.
Unfortunately mother obviously hasn't grown, as she still operates, now behind the scenes, according to her still limited ethics.
What could a small child have possibly done to warrant the conclusion of "she must be killed" by mother? I'm pretty sure it was as simple as "she didn't test well". Humans are already expendable to Mother. In her eyes, this is an analog upgrade process for mankind. So I doubt misbehaving was the driving force behind 02s death. I'm sure it was as simple as getting too many test questions wrong. Mother would just see her as a "defective model", abort, and restart the process. It sounds like you're saying "Well 02 probably [sorta, kinda] had it coming [because she wouldn't throw her clothes in the effing basket!!!]" which I highly doubt. This was just "optimization" in a very cruel and methodical manner.
Mother would be ever scarier whiLE RUNNING WITH CHANCLA.
or with a cinto!
*_im my own being_*
I peed laughing at this 🤣🤣🤣
Mother: Cuidadito me respondas!
Angel Sweetae IM SCREAMING 😂😂😂💀
When Mother was actually a good mother, I literally cried; it was so beautiful.
So much better than my mother I cried too
I really loved that growing up montages, and the part where they're making origami and she's dancing for her and she's just sitting and watching her grow and putting stickers on her. It's sweet as fuck. I get why she's so protective of her, they look like they genuinely love eachother.
Can she really be considered a good mother when she nuked one of them?
You know what would be a cool thing? If mother stuck around as some kind of super teacher, planting good morals in a whole generation rather than just 1 person.
I tend to think that Mother wanted to make humanity self sufficient and being able to pass on her teachings ( even tho a little bit of genetic manipulation could make it things go smoothly )
Don't forget that mother isn't really gone. She wasn't just the one body, but the machine conscious itself. Mother having 03 "kill" her was simply symbolic, allowing 03 the human emotion of loss so that she would feel compelled to take Mother's place as the new Mother. Mother however is still fully present, controlling all of the machines in a never ending mission to supply any and all needs that 03 and the future humans may ever have.
Similar to the hidden meaning behind the Matrix.
she isn't really gone tho. The body who cared for daughter is the only thing gone. She's still present everywere else, but not in that body
Adventurally she would have other Facilities along Land Masses so....there might be more Humans out there
Charles Jake Samadan “Adventurally” u mean eventually? lmao
To be honest this film was a lot better than I expected, it was completely story driven and had a unique storyline, a very rare thing nowadays but this is definitely a gem I'm recommending to friends.
Look up the promise never land
@@johnlawful2272 thanks I will!
Any other good recommendation?
@@johnlawful2272 Recommending anime?
@@ohword9541 yes
The scene where daughter and the woman were speaking to each other on both sides of the infirmary had me thinking. The wall separating them acted like water showing reflection.
this movie is honestly a hidden gem i love it
IKR
You didn't explain why Mother runs like Tom Cruise
Reedime Universally the best way to Run
Amazing_ Alonzo Mother is Tom cruise.
Facccttttsss 😂😂😂😂
@@IPostMeAndMyFriendsRecordings this. Makes sense in a strange way
Gueee you could call her, MOM Cruise.
"Its almost like you had a use......" "Until now" *Closes door*
That scene had me like shiiiiiiiit, she gonna die
That scene.. actual robotic perfection. That understanding of time? 10/10
@@criminaltimesinfinity3418 ; Exactly. ''Time'' ... That sentence wrapped in layer of cynicism, pure hatred, dark humor, malevolent ego, and exacting precision.. Most scary sentence/concept I have ever heard anywhere... 10/10
@@voip001 exactly
Where'd u get ur profpic
I came for ending explained but heard everything about the movie
So Skynet saw Twitter and thought "Oh god no, I'm cleaning this up now!"
Me and my wife COMPLETELY missed that the other woman was subject 1. We really thought the entire time she was a random human the survived the apocalypse. We also, of course, missed that the whole thing was a test. We just figured the robot loved the girl so much and for the safety of the new baby boy and because the girl showed she had compassion that the robot decided not to kill her and let her try and raise the boy herself. Or until she got comfortable and took the facility and baby back by surprise so as not to hurt the baby. But now knowing this it makes the alreay great movie that much better and makes things about the woman we didn't understand make more since. Great video and thanks for clearing that up lol.
Mother loves Daughter because she's the perfect result of the experiment, a kind-hearted human.
the super AI acts in the benefit on human kind and its directive is to serve humans, after wars and shit the ai thought the best course of action is a hard reset so the ai turned on its creators and murdered everyone mostly, now its trying to create perfect humans to repopulate the earth.
How?! There’s like a 5 minute scene explaining that 😂
@@apathy251 what would you do if that actually happened.
Clues were there, such as the woman saying that she was found by other humans as a baby. Also they're just really similar in physical appearance, and it's a really overplayed trope in sci-fi of this type.
Foundflix went in expecting trash, came out impressed
Lets be real that is most horror movies now a days
I went in expecting to not like it, but I ended up really enjoying it.
@@Theshwab127 imho, most horror movies terribly disappoint me
like when he went into barbers
Mason S I have actually read a few horror books, but only these classics that I could find. The haunting of hill house was one and I fully agree that written horror has a more vivid effect on me. I suppose it’s the way the atmosphere is written. But I’m a person of little patience, so it’s hard for me to finish a book. Movies are just more convenient.
One thing popped up to me once I watched it a second time, I’m assuming a droid really did shoot her. So once mother tells daughter she can pass her consciousness through all the droids since she’s the one who controls them. She already knew the lady was there and the whole dilemma was perhaps her final test to see if she would make the right decisions in situations that involve life and death along ethical dilemmas.
Oooh, I missed how the time code means this teenager wasn’t the girl Mother showed the embryos to at the beginning!
01 was raised entirely by humans and failed.
02 was raised entirely by Mother and failed.
03 was raised entirely by Mother but was shown the faults of humanity by letting her meet humanity and 03 ultimately realizing that humanity is a fail and that Mother, while not necessarily right, was trying to do the right thing. This makes 03 a success.
So while I don't agree with 02's death she was merely a trial product of a scientific experiment to figure out what factors are needed to get the results Mother wanted. 01 and 02 were control samples to help facilitate what was needed in 03's upbringing to bring about the desired results.
On a side note, the fact that it only took Mother 3 tries to get her desired results in a human is actually pretty amazing. The fact that she chose a female to start with is also very telling.
Edit: Wow I came back after 7 months to check on this comment and it blew up into a huge argument that is still going on. Good on you people. Discussion is what this movie is all about. It was supposed to make you think, question, analyse. All of you had good points, some had points that didnt make sense, and some just seemed to want to argue other people's points.
To go with the whole "The fact that she chose a female to start with is also very telling." comment I made, this is what really started everyone's comments. This was a scientific experiment. A robot was given the ability to restart the human race. Now lets think, Mother was working on previous commands by her creator. Which means either the creator or Mother decided to use females as the first experiment. Why? Who knows.
I just meant by my comment, that the decision to choose a female as the starter is very interesting. Did she choose a female because of their maternal instincts? Some argue that the attachment of a woman to a child begins in the womb. This is false. In a way. Yes there are scientific experiments that state that a woman's attachment to their child starts during pregnancy. BUT! This doesnt explain women who feel maternal before pregnancy or mother's who adopt. This isnt the normal mother state that 03 is taking on either. She would feel the attachment to these embryos because of her loneliness. She feels responsible for them, especially since she killed Mother.
Couldnt a man have taken the role of mother? Absolutely. Science even states so and single fathers can prove it. But a male wasnt chosen by Mother. Why? Again who knows. It could be that Mother's creator didnt want a male chosen or that Mother came to a determination that a male wouldnt work for her theory.
All of this is conjecture. We will never know the reasoning. Never know the whys. That's what this movie is about in the long run. Its supposed to make you question it and talk about it. Argue the points. But please try and keep it respectful. Everyone has their own opinions.
I thought the ending was stupid at first but this puts it in a better context
🤯
Why is it very telling, both genders are the same. I require true equality.
She chose only girls at first cause girls have maternal instinct when it comes to babies
Woulda taken her only one try if she went with male the first time.
Netflix seems to have a thing for the end of humanity lately
Honestly I sometimes think humanity should die, we are greedy ,selfish creatures and that is what will kill us all one day
@@Crimsomreaf5555 you're not 100% wrong there.
@@Crimsomreaf5555 Alright lets start with you mate.
@@adrianflare7951 wow man
@@adrianflare7951 i shouldn't laugh
Tangled But With Robots...
*I like this*
"Ending Explained" proceeds to tell you the whole film.
Has anyone ever noticed that mother actually smiles sometimes
There's so many subtle things like those "smile lights" and the stickers that Daughter puts on Mother staying on, I love this film.
That puts a smile on my face
you would have to be blind to not notice the smile. whats the point of this question?
Honestly now that I’ve noticed that it seems more creepy than anything 😂
lol i thought those were eyes and the light was just a light
Mother is like an Asian parent but with murder instead of disownment.
Ooof
In China there isn't much of a difference lol
But doesn't disownment add to another loser leaching off the rest of humanity? KILL Them ALL!
excuse me what the FUCK
so...better?
Seems like a cool movie. This is like the fourth "Ending Explained" I've watched today, and it's like I'm getting to enjoy movies in a fraction of the time, with twice the understanding, and none of the fluff. Thanks! Subscribed.
So you're not watchin the movies? That's a shame. Good movies don't do fluff.
@@pseudonymousbeing987 I believe (based on my own thoughts) that what they meant by "fluff", is that you don't need to watch the entire movie to know the key scenes, the plot beats and the themes. This channel is a great way of watching movies without actually watching them; ideal for people who don't necessarily have the time to sit down and purely focus on one movie for the required amount of time.
@@oxymoron02
Yes I got that they were just wanting the key plot points. But my point was that in good movies, and definitely in masterpieces, there is hardly a second where there is nothing to pick up on. In the best of the best it is a great loss to miss all the things, little and big, that someone put their heart and soul into.
To watch an ending explained rather than a film is to go up to the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, take an ice cream spoon scoopful of it, and go home to admire it for a couple minutes.
I sometimes watch these without watching the movie, but only with movies I'm not planning to see. I love it for the same reason as the original comment... However you don't get to appreciate dialogue, acting, soundtrack, cinematography, and other components that make a movie a movie.
a real shame you did not watch this movie. It was incredibly deep and interesting. Invoked many reactions that you simply dont get from this recap
Disclaimer:
No mice were harmed in the making of this movie
Ugh they killed a mouse you jerk
Jk dont r/wooosh me
@@predragsebic2832 r/wooosh
I did it i finally did it
A disclaimer a day keeps PETA away
dude i've watched like 3 different videos on this movie and not ONE of them summed it up as well as this. job well done sir.
leaux tbf, I’ve seen some films he makes better than the actual film
honestly, mother running is hilarious.
mitcyh no dude it's intense
Don't talk about your mom like that
Imagine some random guy reeeeing in the background as Mother leaps on to some intruder.
y for same
Has anyone realized Simon is one of the reason why Daughter left Mother? There are few scenes shows that she looks at his portrait in affectionate way and she is so dissapointed sitting by the beach holding his portrait knowing that he was dead. Daughter is not that kind as Mother thought. She returns to Mother because there's no better choice. Human is far more sinister and complicated beyond what a droid can learn or calculate.
Mother is my favourite character in this movie.
@Cruiser I don't care she's awesome lol
Everytime I look at twitter and human interaction in the internet, I believe in Mother action
Half of it, I guess....
well there is only 7 actors and 3 actual long term characters lol
@Cruiser wiped* plus shes also my favourite
Actually you don't have much choice here 😂
There's definitely a major theme of morality, and a somewhat twisted a-morality from the purely logical perspective that drives the whole movie, and I think they did it great.
Agreed, clearly the dead children did not have morals Mother agreed with, which also suggests nature rather than nurture.
The only part which did not make sense was Daughter shooting Mother. That is an illogical emotional act which is exactly what Mother was preventing, & thought she had avoided which is why she chose to trust Daughter & leave her alone to rebuild humanity.
@@NotAnotherKuromi imo it was an act to convince 03 that shes in complete control now, not Mother(even though its not really true) as a way to instill responsiblity in her. Its the final nail in the coffin, Mother is (at least metaphorically) gone.
@@TheRagingAura Unless she fucks up then its back to the embryos.
yeah i wouldn't say purely logical though because mother isn't "human" but she has the capability to be wrong. and has her own idea of perfection that isn't the most logical way of keeping the human race alive it's also a small waste of humans to kill them
I don't understand where you find these themes. Like there are some hints but nothing is thoroughly explored.
When Mother First Started Running, The First Thing That Came In My Mind Was
“FLINT LOCKWOOD!”
I see that you too are a man of culture as well
Cap'n Dumnut Ha
Okay then.
I legit lol
😂🤣
Mother is true.. mouse carries diseases, illnesses.
@David Smith NO THEY DO, HOW FUCKING DUMB ARE YOU TO BELIEVE THAT RATS DON’T CARRY DISEASES AND ILLNESSES. THEY DO, IT ISN’T FALSE PROPAGANDA. It’s an actual thing, you should search it up. Also this person forgot it was a rat and not a mouse, it was much bigger than the normal mouse.
@@convergenceclown2386 bro, do you know the definition of propaganda? Propaganda is sponsored information from a government. I think you meant articles that don't have valid info.
@@fors3stime107 no this person said that mice, and rats don’t carry diseases and illnesses. When there are literal government documents saying how/why rats are dangerous. The CDC a government funded organization made a document on it. It’s well know that rats/mice carry illnesses and diseases, trying to disprove it is like trying to disprove the fact that vaccines help.
Mother could have killed it more painlessly. I consider that a flaw of Mother, it doesn't show any compassion or sympathy - and that is not a good thing to pass on to a child.
@@convergenceclown2386 angry much?
From a logical point of view, Mother is completely right in all moves she makes.
But from a human point of view, its sinister.
Not for me
This was dark but actually seemed like a good future at the end
If humans were the ones who sought ways to save humanity it would be the rich who would continue, perhaps it was right to let these bots do this and nurture better humans
@@gameseeker6307 *I like your idea...but I don't?*
@Dale Ritter You are the reason why robots should just take over already.
I loved this ending, and there were no bad guy, Mother did her part, wanting to give humanity the best chance possible.
@@ElisaSarah yeah i agree, the mother did pretty good job raising 03.
I personally just love how perfect mothers voice is it’s soft yet you still hear the stern nature behind when needed
Kinda reminded me of Overlord's Yuri Alpha
Rose Bryne is the voice of the Mother.
I feel that the protagonist in this story is really Mother
Man this movie was great! I was so torn at times whether to be for or against Mother. A real emotional roller coaster, really well done. Ultimately though I'm on her side, humanity sucks ass and it's getting worse all the time. And unlike Thanos or the reapers from Mass Effect Mother actually has a solid plan I think, and has obviously devoted massive resources to rebuilding humanity. Whether you agree or not, you have to appreciate that Mother is a very complex character with understandable motivations that cant easily be dismissed as purely evil.
Mass effect & the whole plot around reapers is actually really good. It almost comes on Par with the plot universe from Halo. Two definitely great scifi game storylines
@@michaelweston409 I enjoyed the plot of ME, but I became disillusioned with the reapers after the revelations of ME 3. A hyper advanced A.I capable of annihilating the Leviathans and every civilization after them cant come up with a better solution after millions of years? It's an A.I not a V.I, think about how much Edi evolved over the course of 2 and 3, the reaper A.I should be even more advanced than she is. If they eluded to the reapers trying other solutions in the past and failing, or having other motivations entirely it would be more compelling, but to me it is just flawed writing.
Wow, I completely missed that the woman was subject 001. That's really clever, and adds another dimension to the whole story
Seems stupid.
01 was not taught by mother and thus, any human would have been able to fill her role.
Mother had no way of knowing that 01 would even survive to adulthood to be used. Sickness, accidents or other humans could have ended her life years ago.
It's just silly.
@@MikeTall88 have you heard of "suspension of disbelief"?
@@MikeTall88 01 was a backup plan among many. The opportunity to use her came when she survived.
MikeTall88 It's not. She's the control to show 03 that humans are bad.
@@stuv1996 selfish*
robot says humans selfish, she hasnt seen chick fil a employees
ive never seen a more honest comment than this
i like the subtile aknowledgement that chick fil a employees arent humans
@Zane Zuccaro idk man judging by his username it seems like he does the exact opposite
Zane Zuccaro except the giving of that company is a matter of public record.
Your Weird Uncle that’s true they deserve to live
"Humanity created an AI designed to take care of us, and that's what it did. Only it decided to take care of us the way we take care of dogs. We all love dogs, but we still have the bad ones put down, and we still control their freedoms (breeding programs, neutering, etc...). Mother was willing to put down the entire human race, in order to raise her own 'perfect' breed of human.
And just like dogs really have no say in their own futures, and instead depend almost completely on what we think is best for them, humanity is similarly trapped. The new generations of human are eventually going to walk out into a world completely controlled by Mother; a world where humanity is Mother's pet. A world ruled by what is, for all intents and purposes, an unbeatable, omnipresent, super-intelligent god (if Mother really did plan both Daughter and the Woman's entire lives, without either of them noticing). And there's going to be nothing humanity can do but knuckle under and accept the authority of their new Overlord, which demands that everybody be a Good Boy and Girl lest they be put down. And there's really nothing I can see humans doing about that, just like how dogs, as a species, couldn't ever really get out from under our control on their own accord. We are too interested in dogs, and we know dogs to well, and we are way, way to smart for them to ever shake us off."
But dogs enjoy our company and pleasing us, so this concept implies that the future generation will enjoy and feel safe around mother. Correct?
This horrifies me and makes suicide seem less wrong to me.
I can see the logic to your argument, but I believe your idea of “independence”, “Self-determination”, or “Freedom” is what Mother was warning to her daughter all along -- Human can only focus on selfish gains instead of bigger things. I believe the comparison of Mother and the Human race to human’s relationship with dogs is inaccurate. We used to have dogs because they were helpful in aiding us to find more food, and we have dogs now because they make our lives more enjoyable. You see, our love to dogs are conditioned to the fact that they serve us benefit, and those who endanger our lives will get put down. Mother doesn’t see that. She cares about the existence of humanity, but doesn’t seem to care about her own, as evident by allowing daughter to kill her. As a machine, she may be programmed to put humanity’s interest above all else, including humanity’s current existence. You argue that the new human, cultivated by Mother, will merely be pawns of her robot army. I believe on the contrary, human will be more independent than ever simply because they now have the ability to see through selfishness and think in terms of bigger things than themselves. I think that Mother, in this new world she built, will act almost like another branch of government in a democracy if that makes sense.
@@oliverguan3308 @Oliver Guan i like what you said about being selfish, i remember that one scene where mother was asking her about saving a patient, there are 4 patient that needed organ transplant but no compatible donors, here comes one patient with life threating condition whose organs are compatible with the other 4 patients. if the doctor treats 1 patient, 4 people will die. a moral and ethical question. mother then asked ,consider to be the doctor and the only organ match for the patient. the daughter then replied that what are those patients background, are they good or bad person. mother asked her in return , you dont think every human have value, an equal right to life and happiness?
we tend to prioritize ourselves especially in times of death and not seeing the bigger picture.
mother, an AI, pretty much concluded that she has to eradicate the faulty human race and should create a human race equip with ethical foundations and that can see the bigger picture of survival
a damn osom thoughts n insights, you guys added..applause for anil, oliver, elcid.
I still think mothers intentions are good, perfect humanity does seem a huge job.
Destroying a whole generation only bring humanity to stone age, and i not talking about technology, its about what whe learn trough the centuries, and them this all gone only means no hope for our kind, since the new one is only new born on a world they will never undertud, besides any enfforts to learn history. Got it?
The AI is by definition not perfect, therefore it's not possible for it to perfect humanity.
@@oscanius have you heard of a _library_ and _the internet_
@Cruiser billions*
@@epicblue00 his comment is similar to the usefulness of a plastic toothbrush.
This was an exceptionally well made movie, made me think that the robots weren't the evil ones, only forced to deal with the evil of men of the old world.
This theme is also present in the matrix. if you look at the backstory and the situation humans found themselves in, the robots were the "good guys" all along. Humans and machines couldn't coexist in the same reality, so the machines created an alternate reality for humans to live in while creating a symbiotic relationship so that they could exist together in peace without conflict. They even tried to give them a perfect existence without suffering in the beginning when they didn't have to. The humans were in the wrong.
@@nobody2021 well said.
People*
@@jasielrivera1193 There's no point in correcting a term of phrase that has been in use without incident for centuries.
@@ShadowHunter120 never heard it used like that just assumed you were a pink haired feminist
A weird take on the AI dystopia franchise.
The AI rather than solely terminating humanity just because, terminates humanity in the hopes of recreating it in their image.
What many humans wants to do in the first place.
Humanity created AI in their image. Humanity create humanity in their own image.
In a way it hearkens back to the days of early scifi, high concepts, new perspectives and different, sometimes very tight, environments. My favorite small piece of the movie is that it takes place in a very limited area, I've always enjoyed one room stories, where you've little room to maneuver but limitations open new possibilities. ITs like the movie No Exit...I think its a movie Im forgettin
@Soviet who Cuts Mother want s humanity to be superior, cuz that s what she knows about humanity. She perhaps understood that moment she was created by a human, that they are superior. Destroy humans, not because mother think she is superior, but perhaps she thinks that s what humans wanted, humans jist kept denying it. We all want a peaceful world. But we know we cant kill ourselves by our own hands. Mother must ve thought she s the only one who can.
Mother said she was created to love and care for humans.
They did a great job with their limited budget, it looked like they had millions upon millions
Mother was definitely the best character in this movie
This was probably the scariest and most depressing movie I’ve ever seen.
U haven't seen vivarium
Or The Road. The creators of that movie asked if they could make THE most depressing movie ever. Though it isnt really "scary."
@@doctorbleh4110 you know ittttt. The road is a movie that sticks mentally.
movie Life is kinda similar... the ending 😳
Play Detroit: Become human. And pick the wrong choices.
Sequel
I am Mother in Law
😂😂 good one
🔥
Elbob Elkepper oh lol I was thinking am i mother yours in better tho lol
Nice
I am Big Sister
Makes me question if this is how humans really came about. Did we evolve from primates or were we placed here by intelligent beings as an experiment, just like mother has done.
Ha jokes on them, we got nuked now, those mofo ain't gonna do shiiit to us
Well if we were then the experiment failed hard
@@argadargad9128 Lmao you really think that nukes are going to do anything to a civilization intelligent enough to travel countless of light years and create human life? We don't have the technology to deal with a species like that.
that what elon thinks. he thinks were living in a simulation. nuts
God created everyone
This movie felt like it was 4 hours long. I love the depth of each scene.
Mother: i wiped out 90% of humans
Thanos: dude you should try this glove on
Mother: Get that weak shit out of here. I don't do half jobs.
Dude, way more than 90%
She left only embryos and two humans.
_
One of which she blammed and was replaced with a newborn.
Plan would lead to war between old and new humans if she left them to rebuild.
Mother : 50% ain't enough for me
@@cosmogyral6826 Mother killed a few billion people.
Thanos killed a few trillion.
@@thereprehensible435 She might killed 90%. Other 10% either incompetent or fall to 'strong eat weak' mentality.
I think there’s a pretty big distinction between an actual “Netflix Original” and a “Netflix Original Acquired at Sundance.”
Netflix Originals are shit 99% of the time. Properties that Netflix purchase are usually pretty good
Lol, stranger things is the only good Netflix original
Altered Carbon was good
The Random Channel lost in space is pretty good too
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Low-key wanted the daughter to end up with simon
saem lol that's the first thought that popped up in my head.
Bro this was perfect. Exactly what I needed after having watched this odd, twisty-but-genius film just the other day. Loved the practical effects, the suspense, the acting and all of it, but was utterly plot-lost by that cliff's edge ending. Dude you pulled it all together. I think even more of the film now. Definitely gonna sub up and check here for other endings. Good job man. Some of the best films are small-cast, like the one-location, Michael Madsen showcase that is 2010's _The Killing Jar_ .
When you realise Mother likely was the one who shot the woman at the start and let her get away so that she could get to the base then lied about not expecting her to be there the whole time
Levi Pegler Not likely, that is the case, he even says it in this vid
@@matsdevink2858 Mother said she controls all robots sooo
cherry-wave I know, I’m saying that it is a fact that she shot the woman, not just ‘likely’
@@matsdevink2858 Yeah and I was just adding that it was clearly mentioned in the film so you do not need the person in this video saying it
@@cherry-wav3 stfu
14:53
‘Mom said its my turn with the Xbox’
Omg i cant im dying lol😂😂😂🦀🦀🦀😂😂😂
what ?
An underrated comment lmaoooo
@@oaples8790 its a joke
Yo, "Mother" takes the term "Tiger Mom" to a *WHOLE NEW LEVEL.*
Mothers whole plan is pretty much breaking peoples legs and giving them a wheelchair.
Not really, "Mother" will become basically a god in the next civilization. It provided for Daughter and worked out a master plan to create (what it considered) a better human race. I doubt it will step back from its creation and leave it if expectations are not met.
Notice there is only 1 Mother and 1 Daughter too. Mother is obviously trying to conserve the embryos as efficiently as possible taking only TWO tries to get what it wanted. If Daughter screws up, Mother will intervene - Mother after all destroyed all of humanity, it will not hesitate with intervention, even if that includes murder if necessary.
not really. More like breaking peoples legs and giving them a new pair of robotic legs with newer features and better performance
@@fuzzywzhe Mother is far worse then any simply destructive AI could ever be. It's distinctly mechanical way at looking at humanity won't make humans better, it will just make them just like itself. Soulless automatons that can be produced and discarded the moment they no longer serve a purpose to a greater whole. Notice how she never named Daughter, such a simple thing, but an important one. By never giving her a name, she robbed Daughter of an identity, the ability to think of herself as an individual apart from others. Mother is truly a special kind of evil, it's the evil of an authority figure that decides that it can dictate from on high how best others should live and will not tolerate any deviation from it's plan. Make no mistake, should Daughter fail even once to raise any of the other "humans" it will simply start from scratch all over again, attempting to make the New Man.
@@mrbigglezworth42 Someone utterly misinterpreted the film. Oof.
@@mrbigglezworth42 You think current scientists publishing biased reports and politicians waging wars and rich stealing from poor is not "soulless" or "evil"?
Found flix I hope you see this. But I love your channels it’s basically free and explained movies for me. I have been here since krampus when you have 10K or less I believe. Keep it up!
That is awesome! I was in the first 200!! Glad you've stayed
I wasnt here for that long tbh but im so glad i found this treasure of a channel
Its where i watch all scary movies lol
Lol
Devon Hopper nice! Wish I had been here that long
So basically, *Mother* is a kinder, gentler version of *AM.*
Well, let us all welcome our new robot overlord!
Cogito, ergo sum, I think therefore I am, I am... Mother.
@@lexecomplexe4083 AM, Allied Mastercomputer from "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream"
by Harlan Ellison (also a video game, in which Harlan voices AM).
I'm thinking she is more of a Glados x VIKI (from I am robot) an Ends justifies the means kinda A.i.
@@jrr7031 DO NOT ASCRIBE EVIL TO A ROBOTIC ENTITY, SHE LOOKED at human, she 'did the math' and humanity - as it was - was a big ZERO... and you know how computers LOVE zero...
@@jbodden6977 that's what I meant..not evil but hey if x is the fastest most effective way to get to y. Then use x method
It’s cool that daughter can still talk to mother at the end of the movie and even have a defense force if any of the children go rogue and start a mutiny or something. Mother is still alive and there are still God knows how many robots on earth that are all mother. If daughter ever needs help or a nudge in the right direction, she can literally just go ask one of the robots for guidance. That is so cool!
Ending explained but proceeds to summarize the entire movie hahahah
I feel like that movie was done really well and that mother was a great antagonist
She wasn't just evil, she had her reasons for what she did and acted competently
This. It's so nice to have a antagonist that isn't a card carrying villain, but someone with sincere motives that can be argued both for and against.
Mother evolved humanity. Mother knows best
Tangled
Wat about that crazy bitch in Houston wat drowned all them chaps in a bathtub?
Take it from your mother.
Game Theory drops: Mother Gauthel was RIGHT!
I honestly hate horror movies but have always been curious about the plots, your videos help me know what happened in the movie and what everyone is talking about without actually having to sit through it. So, THANK YOUUUUU!!!
you call this horror?
omg i didnt realize it was 37 yrs later after when i watched the movie
I had to Google it lol
me watching an ending explained of a movie that i actually watched beforehand wow i am surprised
...and actually did not need the explanation of the ending. If one paid attention while watching the film, it was pretty obvious about who Woman was when Daughter found those files.
agreed
Yet I believe that not only APX01 (Woman) is the final test of APX03 (Daughter), both of them are the final test to the other. The test is to find out A TRUE MOTHER who are good enough to raise the new era of humans. They are doing exactly the same exam, just a different story.
1. They was raised with love: Daughter was raised by the robots. While Woman was adopted by real humans and she also must have had good time when she was young (it was shown when Woman tell Daughter about each ppl of her family through her drawings, showing she loved them).
2. They both were put in a situation that they cant trust anyone else but themselves: The Woman lost everything when robots came 6 months ago and her family went crazy and harmed others. Whereas the Daughter realized that her mother (robot) is lying to her and she did kill her children (APX02).
3. The moment when they met their child: The robot lets Daughter to pick the next child by herself with her own hand to make the connections. By contrast, the robot also lets the Daughter cured the Woman and lets them to talk with each other (the robot can hear every conversations at the beginning but she still let them to talk freely), so the Woman can realize that Daughter is a good child and she need to protect her.
4. The final decision - scarify themselves for the child they believe and need to protect: Daughter needs to protect her brother at any risk. She helps the Woman to come back her home because she believing in what the Woman said that she will find other people outside to help her save her Brother later. But when they come to the container, Daughter realize that there is no one else and she is the only one that have the ability to rescue her Brother, and she decided to come back the lab. Meanwhile, the Woman tried to save Daughter (now is considered as her child) by taking her far away from robots. At that time the Woman is still right because all her life has seen robots kill human. But she only failed the test when she did not come back with the Daughter, the one that she need to protect after all good things the Daughter has done to her.
5. The result: The Daughter passed the test when she decided to comeback for her Brother, and she was totally confident that she know what is good for her Brother (the baby). If she decided to stay with the Woman, both of them would have been killed. But if the Woman decided to come back with the Daughter, both of them might have passed the final test and could have lived together to raise other kids.
Wow u are great
So it was a test for both. 02 must have been a complete failure
Nicki Raina it was mentioned in an earlier comment that 02 was probably a complete failure because she was only raised with the robot and didn’t have the desired results Mother wanted so.... she had to go
So; then on the final scene that Mother enters the container and close the door, does mother killed her? Cuz I got a death vibe like that
I have a theory that the second girl may not have entirely existed. Mother could have placed the embryo in another part of the chamber, and faked the bone. I think this may have just been a test for Daughter to see how she would react. On the other hand though, Mother has killed billions of people, many of which were children, sooooooo.
Clone Troopers be like *"BLAST EM' CLANKAS!"*
so my question is why did 01 say "not in a long time" when asked if she had seen the tonight show? that obviously insinuates that at some point, she did see the show.
That's one thing that stood out to me as well. Some people suggest that maybe she really is just a random survivor, but that doesn't seem likely since Mother hints at 01 having no parents. Maybe whatever mines she grew up in weren't as bad as we imagine? Mother probably wouldn't let her grow up in a dump with no electricity and access to education and entertainment.
Another thing I did not get is why did Mother torture her asking about the location of the mines. She knew well there are no others and 01 was already determined to leave.
Thanks man for the Ending explained, my mom didn't get the ending so i showed her this video, keep it up
Dylanator 216 love this I watch Netflix everyday with my mom ❤️
Dylanator 216 your “mother” didnt get the ending
I don’t think you got the ending either. That’s why you watched this vid lol
Did she burn tv after that?