Gay Mormon Tember Was On Ward Radio. It Was A TRAIN WRECK.
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As a straight woman who's really enjoyed having sex with with my straight husband for over twenty years, my mind automatically goes to the wives of the married gay men. It would be very hard for me to be in a long term relationship with someone who doesn't adore me physically. Setting everything else aside, *I* would really struggle in a mixed orientation marriage where I was the one my spouse didn't long for (while I was still attracted to him).
Sometimes it feels like straight women are sacrificed on the altar of getting gay men to heaven.
Omg. That's so powerful.
My best friend used to complain that his school teacher wife would only have sex with him during school holidays and breaks. A few years after their kid left for college, they sought marriage counseling because his wife no longer wanted to have sex with him and she wanted to embrace and explore her bisexual identity after living a monogamous hetero expression for 20+ years. She was still emotionally devoted to her husband, she just no longer wished to pretend she is hetero.
He knew that she was bi when they met. She was dating a girl at the time. But she got pregnant with his child when she was 19, so she didn't have much time to explore life with a bi identity before she became a mother and a wife.
Once they shared that she is bi, their relationship made lots more sense.
I think that instead of accepting that she is bi, he thought that he could make her hetero.
And I think she originally thought she could be happy living as though she is hetero.
But, there is more to having a queer identity than just sex.
Had me thinking, I imagine if I try to be vegan just to please my spouse, there may come a time 20 years down the road where I just need a couple burgers and then I could be vegan for another 20 years. But, there would probably be other concerns and points of view that vegans have that I don't really share - even while I'm agreeing to not eat meat because that's the deal I made with my spouse.
"How could you not care about how those bees are mistreated?!?"
"I dunno. It's just not really an issue for me. It doesn't seem to me that they are being mistreated."
Cardon tries to dismiss the challenges as being caused by the hypersexualized society we live in, but... the challenges of mixed-orientation marriages are not just about sex acts.
Gay guys can still be attracted to women. You know that, right? Isn't sexual orientation on a spectrum?
@@laddgustafson3662, I believe you're thinking of bisexual men, not gay men. Gay Men are attracted to men, bisexual men are attracted to both men and women.
@@abbyeh1 So, Tember is bisexual, not "gay" as you define it.
Tember: another victim of spiritual abuse. Along with his whole family. Bloody sad.
I feel bad for people who have been made to feel dead inside by unreasonable external pressures. I DO NOT feel bad for people who turn around from this experience and try to make others feel dead inside like they do. Tember is not a positive effecter on this reality; the opposite in fact.
He doesn't seem to realise that drawing all this attention and comments to his marriage may very well endanger its delicate balances.
that word will soon hold no meaning
@@Vibeagain which word?
@@evelynpurple
victim, abuse, etc
Watching Tember speak on the Jubilee episode was like watching an abused child defend the actions of their abuser. Everything he was saying sounded as if it was a narrative he had scripted in his mind so often to hide and suppress his true feelings. I honestly feel as though the more he hears himself say he is happy, his hopes are, it will make him feel better. It’s sad to watch a Stockholm syndrome victim, and not be able to convince them they are being abused.
Also, Happy Birthday Carah!!
So so true. There seem to be too possible outcomes. A mental break, because no one can deny their true identity forever without getting massive mental issues. Or him seeing the light, accepting himself and living an authentic life , which would come at his family's cost
Bingo!
OR, he’s not actually gay… which is a possibility I’ve been juggling around with in my mind. I mean, I don’t know him, so I can’t say that for a fact, but…
@@outwardbound2241 unfortunately some people do live their entire lives without finding themselves. 😢
In my singles ward I met a foreigner attending BYU, we dated and eventually got married. I realized later he was more interested in getting citizenship than marrying me, and also that his orientation was definitely not towards my gender. He's gay. I encouraged him to live to be happy, but he's still in the closet. We separated for a year and a half, and I pushed for divorce while he wanted to stay married (even though we were living separately and barely spoke to one another). I realize now I was being used to prop up his image, I was the beard as they say. My experience was that it was an extremely lonely marriage, where I felt unattractive and unlovable. After divorce I dated a guy who was attracted to me and.. fireworks!! I felt alive. Forcing a marriage without mutual attraction is a very lonely, empty, rejection inducing, awful experience.. and we have kids who had no idea why things were so bad. Please don't marry someone you're not attracted to; it hurts more people than you know.
Sorry to read that, Sarah… That sounds absolutely horrible. Glad you found the fireworks!
@@AnneloesF thank you! 🤗
My heart breaks for Tember.
Sidenote when seeing Aaron for the first time: MEOW! Said respectfully
It breaks my heart that so many leaders are ok with doing that this to the wives involved. I think it goes to show how the sexual life of women is totally erased by the mormon church. If you have to explain to straight men what a woman would lose by being married to a gay man then what is that straight man's wife's experience like? Having sexual needs in women completely erased from life while demanding they produce as many children as possible is depraved. Giving her none of the pleasure and all of the pain. So sick.
what kills me is y'know... what kind of life is tember's wife living in this situation? or their children? the suffering in that household must be beyond belief.
She doesn’t matter. Women are accessories not full human beings with their own wants, desires and goals.
Yes. I think Tember is too young for any of us to know how long the happiness of this current marriage will last. What will the marriage be like once the kids are adults and leave their parents' house?
Through people sharing their experiences on Mormon Stories, we have more than a handful of examples of mixed-orientation marriages where the spouses said the same thing as Tember - only for them to separate 5+ years later.
Of course, even if Tember and his wife do remain happy in their marriage for several decades, that doesn't mean the same is true for most mixed-orientation marriages.
His wife defends him in the comments. You’ll find her replying to comments saying that she’s genuinely happy. We can only hope that Tember is the exception to the rule for gay men who lead ‘same sex support groups’…
@@peterhoyt2529
Ha! My high school best friend was married for 22 years.
The last year of their marriage his wife decided she wanted to embrace her bisexual identity because she identified as hetero while their child was living with them. She wanted to remain monogamous but no longer wanted to have sex with her husband because she did no enjoy that very much.
He finally asked her to move out because he found it too difficult to share the same house with a wife he could not have sex with.
They each were telling me that the other was their best friend right up until the day she moved out.
Which is when he chose to confes he'd had an affair with another woman 15 year earlier.
Of course, she became enraged and he is bitter that she treated him like crap after that.
It all seems wonderful now while they're in their 30s. I'm curious to see what they will think by the time all the kids move away.
@@dygz yeah, as a gay man who lives in a Utah I am exhausted by all of the Mormon men married to women taking up so much space on the gay dating apps. I’ve chatted with countless men in their 20s, 30s, 40s, and 50s who have children (and even grandchildren) who are still closeted, in the process of getting divorced, or just gotten divorced. I keep thinking I need to leave Utah and find a place where there are just regular ol’ gay people who don’t have that kind of baggage and who have already processed their homosexuality. 😅
At 71, I have watched the increasing of the anti movement.
Their desperation has created a horror story of using anything to allay their fear of lack of control.
Well done, you two.
Thank you, Carah and Aaron!! As the exmo middle aged child of a father who spent most of his life in the closet, it just makes me physically ill when I hear the messages that TCCC perpetuates of "denying yourself" and that "truly happy" families are the ones that follow ONE path...just so, so much pain and harm. Love you, your content, and your guest room. 😂
I used to be in Tember's position. Well to some extent. I was born a member of the church. I thought I was a monster for having attractions to men. I tried to date women and find my "eternal companion". I was so exhausted from trying to get the two opposing forces to work in my head. Finally I left the church because I didn't feel supported at all. Even after leaving, my brain still feels so mixed up that I haven't been able to form a stable romantic relationship with anyone.
Now the phrase "Same sex attraction" triggers those memories of being stuck between the church's teachings and my own feelings.
I do hope Tember can find peace and happiness of some sort. I sure as gravity couldn't.
Also I think I would trade some of my gayness for a particular person's hate to not be able to spread their hate for 20 years.
Truly!! Same. We could all take 0.001 percent of it, and stop it from spreading.
Sorry to read about your experience, Beutimus… I grew up lesbian in an atheist household, but in a deeply christian culture, and I am still deconstructing. I can’t begin to imagine what it must be like for you. Excellent self care to be watching Cara though! She’s got our back! I hope for a fabulous future for you with a long term & loving partner! You’ve got this!!!
Touching moment when Aaron mentions how his life is richer having a diverse group of friends. I've had the same experience. I was raised in a super judgemental high control religion and I always felt so uncomfortable hearing the church members make racist or homophobic remarks. I still feel guilty for not speaking up 😢 I'm so thankful I was able to leave that environment!!
It's not just high control religions that say those disgusting things!! There's plenty of hate within other religions although not all the people in the other religions are hateful people. Religion is meant to control anyways. That's why it was created to control
Tember was my district leader on the mission. He was vey nice, but I could not be friends with him on fb because the cognitive dissonance was wild. I wish him well and hope he figures it out someday
What about Tember's poor wife
I watched Fellow Travelers & Lucy (married to closeted man) says to her husband “Do you know how lonely that is?” 😔
They're both victims of the church's homophobia it's so sad. It hurts him, it hurts his wife, and it hurts his kids.
Please defend John, and please if Tember ever reads this…God never makes mistakes. You are exactly who you are supposed to be, you are meant to love who you love and never try to fit the mold of the mean boys. They don’t care about you.
I am not LDS but so glad you guys are exposing WardRadio. They make me feel so mad!
Carah, Aaron is a top-notch guy. You really won the lottery with him, as he did with you as well.
Same energy as if you are married to an abuser, your reward is greater to stay the course
I love that Cordin's response to failing.miserably has been to victimize himself and highlight Tember. Great plan, bro😂😂
Aaron is definitely handsome.
“I have cancer, and Tember is gay! We all have trials!”
@@PtylerBeats 😂😂 They think they're killing it.
I'm a Christian never mo and Cardons response in that take was very cringe and self focused.
If the church reverses their stance on LGBTQ & allows all blessings - how many closeted men will then be leaving their families?
Because it's better to live a facade and a lie- smh! 0-o
What about the queer Women and Nonbinary people like myself? I grew up Mormon. My marriages were dumpster fires. Had I just been left alone and encouraged to be authentic, true to myself, who knows how much better I would be mentally.
@@jerrimenard3092 EXACTLY!! mormon teaches codependency at it's best!. The kids "succumb to the mom" "mom succumbs to husband" "husband succumbs to LD$god" Never did I learn to be true to my soul, be independent, or that gender is an earthly concept from 1800s. What about XYX? XXY? YXY? etc?
@@jerrimenard3092 I hear you. I have so many friends that either live in miserable marriages for appearance or suffer extreme loneliness in celibacy... No Savior or God would demand that from us.
Can you do more of this setup? I love the realness from you both and appreciate Aaron’s perspective and words 👍🏻
You were right to give a trigger warning to anyone thinking about watching Ward Radio’s video. I made the mistake of watching the whole thing and being triggered and gaslit the entire episode. 😅
I also watched that video and oml.....i had to spend a whole day watching wholesome content to remove the filth that was swimming in my brain after that hard watch. It was awful.
@@TerinaChoi
lol
which video is it?
Well done Carah and Aaron. I watched the original video and it really disturbed me. People need to be who they are.
Group hug for all, 5 AM and I am catching this, I feel very protective of my gay friends also, good stuff from Carah and hubby tonight ♥️
“Marriage exists to make you holy, not to make you happy.” Gay BYU associate professor Ty Mansfield, FAIR Conference, 2022
Happiness feels holy, so....whatever 'holy' means - closer to God, elevated, a better human?
May just choose happiness - marriage may, or may not, be part if that for you.
@@pandora8778 He is in a mixed orientation marriage. He is a gay man who believes he is obligated to live and procreate with a woman because that’s what God wants him to do.
So it's okay/courageous to be all "Holy" married, to a narcissistic gaslighting womanizing abuser - Said NoOne Ever! Talk about co- dependency at its worst!
He sounds like a barrel of fun.
The only times in my life when i have truly felt Gods love and felt genuinely holy is when i felt true, genuine happiness! So for me, happiness and holiness go hand in hand.
Just donated $20 to your nonprofit for the response videos. No one should be exposed to that crap and I absolutely support you for keeping our mental health in mind and your own.
Tember runs a support group for gay Mormons. Called Beacon for SSA Latter Day Saints. Just fun info people miss out on his background. It's like a "-lite" version of doing unlicensed conversion therapy to others. Listening now to the stream!
Oh man that’s bleak and very irresponsible.
Oh wow...
THANK you. I've been posting this on Reddit and just crickets.
He also has a blog where he posts his thoughts, beliefs, experiences, etc. on things.
Back in my day they had what they called Evergreen. One suggestion from the books was that when I had a same sex attraction, I should snap myself with a rubber band on my wrist. Guess what, still queer, and now I like that snap. It gives me a special tingling feeling.
Sending love from Australia where it’s already your birthday!
You both have so much more integrity and respect than Cardon ever will.
Carah & Aaron, Thank You so much for doing this!!!
As a never-mo, I can objectively see the power and capacity the LDS church has to do good & great things but yet they ALWAYS choose to hate instead!
Hope you have a Happy Birthday, Carah!!!
Agree what you said about Carden and Tember... didn't see Ward Radio but saw part of Middle Ground. The archaic views were so hard to hear as a queer-vangelical 🎉 mostly out and finally feel like me. ❤🏳️🌈 It's the systems I still struggle with. ❤❤
thank you so much for your honesty, compassion and realness (is that even a word?). I watched the jubilee episode, but when I watched Mormon Stories' reaction to it and your reaction I literally had to skip over the parts where Cardon spoke. It was too much to handle. That's why I didn't watch the ward radio reaction, because I can only imagine how bad it must be, after his demeanor on jubilee, where he probably tried to contain himself better than on his own show.
In the Mormon Stories' reaction John said he is thinking about flying out to L.A. and doing a show with Cardon. And it made me shutter. I love controversial discussions if they are between two decent people who just happen to have very different viewpoints. But I don't feel that Cardon is a decent person, I don't think he is able to have an openminded discussion and would happily throw John under the bus (who seems to be sooo smart but also to believe in the goodness and decency of all people, when in fact some people just aren't, unfortunately.) Anyway, I don't know if you talked to him about it, but it seems like a horrible idea.
What makes me so angry about religious people talking about homose..uality (does youtube allow to write these words?), that it always, always seems to be about s..x. When in reality it is about love first and foremost, right?
I was in 5th grade when I had my first little crush on a friend of mine and it stayed that way throughout middle school. He felt the same way. Nothing ever happened, not even hand holding or whatever. We just really really liked each other, spend a lot of time together and were sad when the other person wasn't in school, because school was just so boring when he wasn't there. Since then I had crushes on several people and obviously have fallen in love with some of them - all of them were male. It's nothing I ever ever chose. Right? It just happens. Somewhere in your teen years, sometimes even earlier, you have crushes and fall in love. When I see someone I'm attracted to I think: "oh, he's cute" or "oh, he's interesting". Not: "oh, I want to f...k him".
But somehow in the discussions about homose..uality, love isn't mentioned. It's never about who they are falling in love with. It's always about who they want to sleep with. And while s..x is an important part in most relationsships, it also is just one part. So denying your se..uality is SOOOO much for than just not sleeping with the s..x you are attracted to.
So sorry for rambling. This whole situation is just so sad
Just started this video and thank you so much for protecting your viewers from hate speech.
Appreciate not wanting to be 'boxed in' or categorised... guessing you've had a lifetime of that already. ❤❤
I had to go watch (thanks to this video Carah) the reaction video they published with Tember. It was an excellent microcosm of Ward Radio and this strain of Mormonism. I also think it, generally, highlights how flawed the epistemology at work in these guys really is and I cannot believe anyone can listen to them and take a word they say seriously.
1. They talk about a bunch of statistics that indicate the Tember, who is in a mixed-orientation marriage, is "in the majority." These statistics are never provided in any way that one can understand them. At one point, Brad asks "where are these statistics" and I kid you not the answer was "Deseret News." So, their takeaway is that John Dehlin's peer-reviewed research data is "flawed" (for reasons they don't really articulate that well) but the ones in Dez News and that come from working with Ty Mansfield are totally okay. These Ward Radio clowns need to just stop pretending like they care about truth--they're just looking for data that says what they want it to say.
2. Tember says multiple times that the ExMo side of the discussion wouldn't accept the reality of his experience. His life and choices are his life and choices and I saw nothing in the Jubilee video to indicate the ExMo side didn't accept that. But it is a little hard to believe Tember's actually happy in his marriage when his prime reason he's happy with his decisions has nothing to do with his partner. It's always about having accepted the Gospel and his relationship with Christ. The way he speaks about his spouse--listening to his own statements--is as a means to an end. I sincerely hope that's just poor phrasing or because he's focusing on the religious elements of the discussion. By the way, for someone who claims that "the other side" didn't show him any respect--he keeps calling Jillian "the short-haired lesbian."
3. Their discussion of the AI memes and art is patently ridiculous. They think that AI generates truth (and what do you know, it completely lines up with what they already believed, too!)? AI does what it's told to do--and it's very telling these guys don't understand that. They were also incredibly awful about other people's appearances during this entire portion--like this is what you think Jesus wants you to do? Disgusting behavior and I'm not even a Christian.
4. At one point, Cardon says that John Dehlin is like Donald Trump. Cardon can't even resist constantly talking over people on his own show and did the same thing on the Jubilee segment. Also, so far as I'm aware, John Dehlin has zero indictments while Cardon cannot say the same.
5. Also, this crew claims that the ExMo crowd wasn’t willing to listen and just wanted to make the Church look bad. But didn’t 2-3 of the ExMo crew, John Dehlin included, state that the Church had a net positive effect in their lives? It seems to me like this crew will hold their opinions, regardless of any evidence to the contrary, which again demonstrates their incredibly flawed epistemology.
I always hear TBMs (I used to do it too) say "statistics show..." or "there have been studies that show..." without actually providing a source. It's not that they don't remember the source. Usually the source doesn't exist. They just heard someone else say that, and it gets passed along. If there was a way to track the comment it back to where it originated, it was probably made up, or misinterpreted. After all, 90% of all statistics are made up.
Or the study was done by a biased institution like BYU or the study cherry picks the data to interpret it to fit a predetermined view.
I had a TBM source a study that "people who leave are more likely to commit suicide" but the study was 1000 health care workers so there is most likely occupational issues contributing. The study didn't mention a specific religion like Mormonism that is high demand religion and the study didn't come to a conclusion it just said it was possible. So that study was taken way out of context to fit a narrative.
This is so important to expose. As a gay exmo, the damage and harm that will come from Tember's rising stardom as the latest exgay Ty Mansfield/Josh Weed like hero for conservative mormon orthodoxy is serious.
Thank you Carah and Aaron!
Cara and husband, thank you for being fabulous allies! And thank you to everyone in the comments, too.
I never thought of Mean Girls plastics as a mini-cult but it totally is!!
You two are spot on in real time. That Jubilee ExMormon video sure has legs. Thanks for your reactions!
Support comment from a never religoius and very grateful for that queer woman.
Watching Tember during the Middle Ground episode is like seeing cognitive dissonance live. He obviously tried to "pray the queer away" as hard as he can. His body language tells me that he is not confident.
He was contained rage. If you ever saw a Rubbermaid container filled to full with the lid bulging ...that's Timber. When the lid gives way there is gonna be carnage
❤Happy birthday from South Africa! 🇿🇦🇿🇦💜💝
Really appreciate you! Very nice to have your husband on as well. I am gay, and you're right, he's adorable. I love gay friendly straight guys. They are an inspiration.
Like to hear you- I’ve converted to …. No religion at age 13. Greatest spiritual experience and left the pain and shame behind. And yet I live a life of love and service.
Even in a Rose garden, you want to see diversity of the roses. The church needs to see the diversity of its members. Happy Birthday Carah!! 🍪🍨🍬🍭🎂🎈🍾🎉
The church is painting all the roses red like their god is the queen of hearts 😂
And how does anyone really know Tember is thriving?
He says he is
@@davidfayfield6594 I thought I was thriving in Mormonism, too.
@@unicorntamer2207 so is he a liar or just deluded ?
@@davidfayfield6594 I think he's a victim of a cult. Just like I used to be.
@@unicorntamer2207 so deluded then? Why won’t anyone just answer the question?
“Deny the self” to me that means deny your ego. Or at least, be able to observe your ego from a higher perspective. Remove your attachment to ego. Realize that ego is tied strictly to environment and we are currently being raised in a BUNK ASS society. Step back, observe what has been conditioned, consider those teachings. Deny what has been taught because it comes with the price of our humanity.
Happy birthday Carah!
Thank you. Watching from Alaska.
I couldn't continue watching it either.
I didn't even want to watch the original video beyond the 10 seconds that I saw. I'd rather just watch you and admire Aaron's cute little socks. 😊
I'm so sorry I missed this live. I love you Carah for your protective love of queer people. I feel your outrage towards the troglodyte crew as well
As a practicing Reformed Catholic I so enjoy your loving informative program
Light the way with truth. ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Jesus promised / threatened that only a few would be saved and most he would slaughter. To be fair, that is a seminal piece of Jesus' message, the Gospel. One must pick and choose the words and teachings of Jesus to create a loving, inclusive, and compassionate religion. I am all for cherry-picking scriptures or walking away from Christianity and religion. For myself, I am now far happier as an atheist than I ever was as a Christian. To each their own.
💯 🎯
that really was a jubilee of mind-numbing embarrassment. someone needs to lock the "bros" in a small room with recordings of themselves until they accept they are incapable of stringing sensible statements together.
Happy Birthday Carah 🎉🎉 Keep up the heart centered truth telling. And cute honest Aaron ...you two are adorable ❤❤
Happy Birthday 🎂 🥳 🎉
I could not watch the debate to the end either. It was heartbreaking. The guy with cancer used his illness to compare orientation. Ridiculous! I had to quite, Timber's reality is not everyone experience. I'm dune. Thanks for talking about this. I'm so sorry for the exmo experience in this event.
I like the idea of a ward radio response so that they don't get viewers from hate watchers.
Thank you Carah, and happy birthday!!
Absolutely nothing good will come from Tember’s situation. Misery for everyone involved. It makes me so sad.
Nice seeing this raw, real, and authentic side of you😍
This video made me cry. Not because of the content per se, but seeing the way that both of you genuinely care for queer people made me emotional. The world feels like a scary place sometimes, especially when you’re queer, but seeing the passion you have as allies and the way that hate really affects you on a very deep level made me feel like maybe it was all ok. So thank you for caring.
Hugs hugs hugs
Nicely done. I can feel the love...from you guys. Not some of those others.
Speaking of Gavin, Tig, and Bill Maher… I saw Tig on Office Hours yesterday and Tim Heidecker does the best parody of Club Random (Bill Maher) and JRE. If you’ve not seen them- highly recommend to counter the negative awfulness of Ward Radio listening. I’ll see if I can find them and link in a reply below if you’re interested (so you don’t have to go searching) but it’s just wild timing given that Tig was a guest on yesterday’s live show. And Gavin relates because he, or rather the proud boys, went after Vic Berger (one of the holy trinity at Office Hours) because I guess they didn’t like the videos he was doing showing how silly they were with the cereal naming initiations and all. That story is wild! They showed up to his house trying to intimidate him. It all happened years ago- 2018? Sometime around then but it was really wild to witness as it was happening. He also shared some texts he exchanged with Greg Gutfield about Steven Crowder that are highly entertaining.
Also- Aaron identifying as a “Carahsexual” has to be one of the sweetest things I’ve ever heard. I’d melt if my partner used my name in that way- so endearing!😊
Carah fawning over how cute Aaron is and the poor guy can't get a word in edgewise 😂 W2G Aaron on being patient, model husband 👍
It was a big yikes. These poor men just can't take the L. This desperate attempt to be right is beyond pathetic.
Thanks, both of you, for being allies! ❤
Progressive Christian here. Love listening, keep on challenging, keep on advocating for love!
I felt that Tember was the REAL mormon on that panel. And he HAS to cling to the idea that there are absolutes because otherwise he has gone against who he really is FOR NOTHING. Sunk cost. Kwaku represents a Mormonism that simply doesn't exist.
I don't normally do this here, because I don't want to be annoying, but I feel the need to do it now. Quick reminder that you're all awesome, beautiful and valid, just the way you are ❤🧡💛💚💙💜 Love you all ❤🧡💛💚💙💜
Thanks 🤟🏻
Feel really sorry for these religious gay homophobic men.
Great convo. Ty
The camera set up here looks amazing!!!🎉
Random... but super obsessed with your chair!!!
Thanks I made it myself 🤙🏻🤗
Aaron's idea of mental health equating to authenticity is spot on. I bet there's a bit more to it but that is without a doubt at the core of it all. Everything else seems to stem from that
@nuancehoe As an Ex-christian, I came to a realization (when your husband Aaron talked about Tember was in a box) that both Mormonism and Christianity's the same in that they both are Systems that are in a metal box.
Btw I really like the set up. The back ground colors are very aesthetically pleasing.
As a non religious person , I find it so fascinating that being in a lot of high demand religious is so similar to being in an abusive relationship. I was in an abusive relationship for many years and had to escape and completely rebuild my life and myself. Nothing should be that controlling and hateful. Surly at its core a religion or relationship should be built on love and not hate. Thank you for your videos.
Very few mixed orientation marriages work. I hate how they hold Tember up as someone who goes against the "woke anti-Mormon" agenda without recognizing that nearly every next orientation marriage held up as the standard blows up at some point.
Also, I have only ever met or seen in interviews one LGBT person who was not suicidal as a believing member besides myself.
Oh my god… I literally didn’t even make it through the intro after they talked about the “left” as unclean and not put together. Even the depiction of John Dehlin- is so grossly done.
Cardon is a classic bully. I like to think the best in people but I have a feeling he kicks small animals or children when no one is looking.
Yes, it was a total trainwreck. Both sides behaved poorly! No one won this , mostly the veiwers.
Was there a non-white person on the program as an exmo? John D interviews of Black and First Nation former members have made me cry
No, not in the Jubilee video.
@@beetles1964 Too bad. That's another very important topic. Thanks for answering
@@helenbirch5719 You're welcome. Yeah, it's hard when they can only pick 4 of each group.
Happy Birthday 🎂 Dear Carah!!!!
I watched the Tember video and the data they mentioned didn’t seem to be aligned with a lot of queer people’s lived experience
Carah, bring the T!! 👏😄👏
Ballard, Ellis, and Reyes, oh my! 😜
I felt so bad for Tember. Watching him speak made me so sad.
Now I just really want to see a collaboration with you and Mickey Atkins.
Happy Birthday 🎂! Amazing 👏
I really appreciate the comparison between Mormon culture and the plastics!
🙌🏽👏🏽🙌🏽
What is so wrong with a "woke leftist"? Some would call you that name. I do enjoy your content.
I was just trying to express that I won’t be boxed into people’s use of the term as a negative that can then be written off. I’m not woke enough for some and too woke for others. (Not sure what I said in the video though, maybe I chose my words incorrectly)
@nuancehoe I've been watching your content for a while and I think you strike a good balance of some woke and some non-woke opinions. Better than most who either lean entirely one way
What I like about Carah is she has authentic opinions based on lived experience. She doesn't jump into the box. She is recycling their box!!❤️❤️
Happy Birthday from Germany! 🙂
This is exactly how I felt watching Tember in the Jubilee and only a clip of ward radio I saw. It’s so sad how members like he, Kwaku, Bethany, Charlie bird, Ben schilaty, millions of women are tokenized in this cheap way. They are owed reparations.
That's too much fun
Some people want to live quiet, happy lives when diagnosed with an illness. Some people become inspired to make the world a better place before they're gone. Some people, however, just want to see the world burn down with them, to cause as much harm as possible when they are dealt a bad hand by life.
Please appeal the claim on the video. It's 100% fair use. Not only did you cut it up and add commentary, you also added in your own footage and behind the scenes info.
I felt so sad for him because his body language and expression conveyed the pain he’s in and won’t acknowledge or be free
Of course apologists for the Church have to defend the Mormon doctrine. If it does not fulfill everyone's happiness than either it is not True or the unhappy person has an unrighteous heart.
The only difference between a cult and a religion is popularity.
of course your Aquarius ♒️🩷💜 happy birthday 🎁
also your hubby is a babe!
you are a hero 💯
have the best year
you’re 😆
Sydney Watson did an insightful video on "gay widows." Basically about women that have married and been left by gay men. She does a great job showing the absolute heartbreak and devastation these women and their kids can go through while everyone else is busy celebrating the guy coming out. The video isn't anti-homosexuality by any means. But I was heavily reminded of it hearing Tembre talk. He kept saying he was happier leaving his boyfriends behind and now living with Chrust. Nowhere does he say a single thing about his wife and kids. It was very troubling. The other gay guy on the panel that ended up divorcing his wife, still found the time to say how wonderful she is and that he loves his kids. And that even though he's no longer religious, he still loves his god and makes room for his spirituality. This seems healthier than literally cutting off an entire part of your being.
The algorithm already feeds me a bunch of shit. I'm glad you're here to act as a filter, Carah. Looking forward to your reaction videos.