I Tested Her Mormon Faith. Where Is Eve Now?
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- Опубліковано 27 гру 2023
- It's the Eve update you've all been waiting for! Join me for a live interview and learn about what happened next for my Mormon buddy Eve after John Dehlin and I told her the true Mormon history that had been hidden from her.
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Just read the Bible because the LDS is not true, doesn’t mean Jesus is not real. Look into history and the Bible has been proven many times. Science is just a methodology and the Bible has never gotten wrong the scientific facts that it has. Look into answers in Genesis.
So are you and Eve totally done with Jesus and christianity or ............I am a baptist christian personally.
SO are you and eve totally off Jesus completely or ?
I have watched the original video many times its very interesting. I am not mormon but a canadian baptist.
@@planes3333 Canadian Baptist? Never heard that before is it like reformed Baptist?
One of the great things about leaving the church is that you get a 10% raise 😂
It’s actually more than 10, funnily enough
And a second Saturday
I could tell right away Eve had left the church because of the change in her demeanor. She seems happier, more centered, more comfortable in her own skin. Less plagued by cognitive dissonance.
Yes! Eve is glowing and she seems so much more relaxed and centered.
She only developed cognitive dissonance after she went on the show and was confronted by Dehlin's psychological tactics and incorrect information.
@@unfeigned4997 Incorrect information? What was a lie? I haven't seen anything that has been said that could be construed as misinformation. What psychological tactics? Do you think he made her cry on purpose?
But is this true happiness? Sorry couldn't resist 🙈😂
@@unfeigned4997like information from actual journal entries from Joseph Smith and other church leaders? Information from the Gospel Topics Essays on the Church's own website? Information from Egyptologists analyzing the Book of Abraham? Information from Rough Stone Rolling, a church commissioned history of Joseph Smith? It's not Dehlin's fault that the facts contradict the Church's decades-long narrative. I know it sucks that you were lied to and manipulated all these years and have had so much time and money fraudulently taken from you, but you're not there only one who's been there. And it's not your fault. Deconstruction is painful, but the freedom you gain to live your own life and be a better person is well worth it when you come through on the other side.
the “switch” is so accurate. the switch between hearing doctrine/messages from authority as something good to hearing it as spiritual manipulation
That happens to Catholics, too.
Yesss
I vaguely identify with this switch but it happened to me as a kid and it was simply just the way people spoke in church. I wasn’t raised in a controversial or strict cult/church. It was a pretty accepting Christian church who was always pretty open about my questions.
But I remember being like 8 or 9 years old sitting in the middle of the service while everyone is mindlessly repeating each other and speaking in unison, and I remember that being the moment that made me think, “What are we even doing?” It was so creepy for everyone to be standing there like drones in a monotone voice repeating these words over and over. And since that day, I always tried to look at everything anyone did in the church from both the “insider” perspective as well as an outside perspective. And it really opened my eyes to how weird religion is in general.
This happened to me with familial abuse too :/ it’s different than going numb to it. You realize you have the right to be angry if you’d like to be.
@@PtylerBeats religion is the name of a demonic spirit. Religion is the worst thing to associate with our Lord, Savior, and Creator. Knowing and having a relationship with Jesus has nothing to do with religion. God has been gathering those that choose to follow him while Religion has been causing division.
You gals are brave! As a man that lived behind the Zion Curtain for many years. Jeffery Holland is my cousin. I’m a direct descendant of John D. Lee. My history with the Mormon church runs long and deep. Never felt better than when I left Utah for good. Keep up the good work y’all.
I created a camp at Burning Man in 2005 called "Beyond The Zion Curtain" in 2005. The name spoke to the fact that though we physically live behind it, we exist beyond it because we are free from its constraints and judgement. We had over 200 people from Utah camp with us.
Thank you!
Zion curtain 😂
I don't know you but deconstruction is so hard. I came from a very brainwash-y Southern Baptist upbringing and even still I cannot imagine how difficult it was to uproot your entire life to feel more authentically you so I can't help but be proud.
Congratulaitons.
Eve, hearing you say that the negative stance of the Mormon church on the queer community was a point of pain for you and a big reason for your disaffection towards it brought this senior aged lesbian great joy and a deep appreciation for you as an ally. Thank you for being vulnerable and sharing your truth! I hope the new year is filled with lots of love, light laughter and joy for you and yours!
If she says that, it means she's rejected the teachings of the Holy Bible. The only sexual relationship ordained by God is heterosexual.
You are so kind. I am honestly embarrassed when I look back on it that it took me finding out about other things like problematic church history in order to finally leave. I wish I had just left because of the harm I saw it had on my queer friends and family.
@@everpearce ~ There's no shame in recognizing harm, in compassionate motivation, to learn and grow as a person. Thank you for your empathy and your loving action.
(~ Fern, an ex-LDS person.)
@@Venom-33381
So someone expresses sincere loving compassion and your response is to spew your unsubstantiated claims at them? Grow up. Religion is like a penis: it's fine to have one, it's even fine to be a bit proud of it, but you don't whip it out in public and wave it around, especially not around kids.
When you make a claim that you have "the truth" of something, but you don't back it up with real, actual evidence (the book is the claim, so it can't also be the evidence), something others can verify with fair testing, you've failed to make a case for your claim.
You want to convince sensible people of your little myth? First you would likely have to convince people that there's any kind of god. Then that there's _just one_ and not several or many. Then that _yours_ is that one. Then that it has the traits that you claim. Then that it interacts with the natural world. Then that it has concern about specifically the actions of the humans on this planet. *_THEN_* you can try and talk about your (deeply mistaken) beliefs about your hell.
Here's what hasn't worked for me and many others:
* Quoting from your scriptural texts. Remember, the claim can't also be the evidence, and the texts are the claims.
* Telling us we _do_ believe but reject your specific god for some reason you make up.
* "You just want to sin." (Often paired with the previous.)
* "Just look at [nature of some kind]." We have science to tell us about the way nature works and many perfectly good natural explanations for things X-ians like to claim are somehow "evidence" of their god.
* Citing "miracles" (resurrection from death, for example). Myths in other religions don't pass _your_ sniff test, why would you suppose they would convince us?
* Telling us "you're not interpreting the Bible correctly" or trying to switch the meanings of texts by pointing elsewhere in the same book and pretending it's univocal.
* The standard Christian apologetics arguments for god presented hundreds of years ago and still being tossed up today: Pascal's Wager, the Ontological Argument, the (Kalam) Cosmological Arg~, the Moral Arg~, any Arg~ from Incredulity, the Fine Tuning Arg~, et al.
* Your personal experience.
* Numerology or math tricks.
* Calling us a sinner and threatening us with hell.
If your god were real and wanted us convinced, it would know how to do it, and for many of us, that stuff up there is a big fail. Good luck.
@@Venom-33381 not a great proposed system if the baseline is that everyone is headed toward a lake of fire.
Even if that is true, it doesn't encourage faith in the designer of that system.
Your first interview was the beginning of my deconstruction. I felt like Eve, there was so much I didn't know. I couldn't believe the control the church has had on historical narratives. That interview changed everything for me in a good way.
You grow up listening to the brethren, understanding what makes sense and naive to what doesn’t. The notion of power and control as a top priority just seems so out of character at that stage.
The age of transparency hasn’t been kind to that facade. And now we’ve got direct appeals to continued belief in spite of the issues brought to light. The foundation for belief they’re pushing is literally no different from Santa Claus, and it’s bonkers that they think it will work!
@taijastagg9366 how do you feel now? Do you feel a crazy amount of peace and an unburdening of your soul? If not, I promise you the day will come. I am impatiently hopeful for the days when others in my own family and friend circles will start to deconstruct and find the greater peace on the other side of group think and spiritual controls placed on them by others.
I’m cheering from the sidelines :) Eve and her sister were in my ward at BYU-quality people. It’s been a privilege to hear Eve describe her journey. All the best!
Awww thank you! Hope you’re doing well.
@@everpearce great to hear how well you are doing.
my parents were Xcomm-ed but my 2 brothers still count as LDs !!
I never bought in, luckily
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God bless all and thank all for your content and for sharing . It's very raw, very public, and I respect you guys . I praise God for freedom .
The transition from focusing on “earning” the afterlife to being present and engaging in the life you have now is profound.
Also, Eve’s hair looks amazing! 🤩
That is an indeed a sad scenario. You live your life unhappy on Earth, working towards an afterlife that you have no proof actually exists apart from the people demanding 10% of your earnings telling you it does!
Just my personal experience but through illness I’ve been dead once, and extremely near death a second time, never saw pearly gates, or any paradise. The only thing I remember is on coming back, and having the realisation I was going to have a long recovery was ‘Thank goodness I’m not American, as I would have just bankrupted my family because if the healthcare costs’ Honestly that was my thought whilst filled with breathing apparatus and tubes. Free healthcare and free meds in my country! Americans vote it away because the thought of being responsible for even the guy sleeping rough broken leg goes against their form of Christianity. I just ring him an ambulance and he’s taken care off .Mormons would rather pay 10% of their earnings into a ‘church’ that has Billions just sitting there helping no-one and step over the guy with broken leg in disgust. How humane of them.
My husband and I went through our deconstruction completely and utterly alone. His family has distance themselves from us quite a bit, and my family has cut us off entirely including our 4 innocent kids. It’s been a lonely journey. But you can’t live a lie once you realize it’s a lie.
I remember watching the Mormon stories episode with you, Eve, and I felt such a…kinship. Carah and you are lucky to have each other.
You both deserved to be honored for your courage. The truth is you actually can live a lie once you realize it's a lie. That's proven by many today. I know a couple personally who know it's a lie and have told me they don't care because they love the culture and don't want to be shunned or to have their children pay the price. Talk about setting a horrible example for your children. Your demonstration of living from courage for truth's sake will serve your children much better in the long run.
I’m so sorry for your pain. It isn’t fair. I hope your family can remember their love for you and reconsider their choice to cut you off. I can’t imagine how hard that must be.
@@delhargis2219 Your experience reminds me of something a friend told me probably 25 years ago. This friend was working his way out of the church like I did. He told me that he had discussed the church's dubious history with his stake president, and the SP admitted that "There ain't a damn thing true about the church, but it's a great place to raise a family." So he was a "social Mormon."
Back when I was a TBM from the mid-' 70s to the mid-'90s, I would be taken aback when a church member would occasionally say something like "I like the church, but I don't believe the Joseph Smith story." My mindset back then was, how can you not believe the Joseph Smith story? The church's entire history, claims to authority, and reason for existing hinges on the Joseph Smith story being true. But after I began studying my way out in the late '90s, I began to understand those people. They believed as they did because they had studied Joseph Smith's true history that I had not yet been exposed to. But when I learned the facts, my wife and I and our four kids all resigned. There was no way that I would or could sit through Priesthood and Sunday School lessons hearing about how wonderful the Prophet Joseph Smith was, when I knew that it was a lie. I wasn't gonna waste any more time getting up on Sunday mornings and dressing up in a suit and tie and driving to church just to listen to that nonsense for the rest of my life.
"I felt this drop into the human family" is such a beautiful way to articulate that sensation!
I think Eve was exceptional in trusting you (this speaks to your relationship) and being willing to question her faith and its foundation. Whether a Mormon or not, she’s clearly a wonderful person with a querying mind. All the best for the journey ahead!
Thank you so much ❤❤❤
I thought our church leaders were teaching us the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. How absolutely wrong I was.
Good for you Eve! Welcome to the post Mormon world. Hugs
🤗 ❤❤ thank you
You could do a segment called, was it Warren Jeffs or was it Joseph Smith... no one would be safe! Haha
You THINK you are funny.
Eve is an exceptionally genuine, open person. Allows herself to be vulnerable in the face of deeply scary things. So much courage. Each of her family members and friends are SO lucky to have her in their lives I wish her all the best in her journey!!
Thank you. I hope they know how lucky they are haha 😜. But really, thank you, that is so kind to say.
The original video is the reason I'm currently reading "no man knows my history". I'm glad we got to see this check in:)
Woot woot!
Eve you are amazing.
When i saw the interview i absolutely couldn't believe anyone had gotten a believing Mormon to sit and talk!
That was the bravest move, and i have no doubt that video is going to help countless people to reclaim their lives!
Thank you so much. I hope it does help!
The best thing about that episode was that Eve just listened and soaked it all in, rather than immediately throwing up her programmed defenses and trying to challenge or refute everything they were telling her. Meaning, she was ready to listen.
I think they pointed out she was starting doubt, which generally means finally ready to listen. Eve did great, took me a lot longer to be deprogrammed
I think the temple would have bothered her more if she went through it when I did in 1989. After swearing to slit my throat and disemboweling myself if I were to ever divulge the secrets of the temple which were all masonic. I upset my new wife when I said I'm never going there again. My dad said don't worry, you'll get used to it...
Lol dads always just along for the ride
The idea that my mom joined the church while there was a ban on full membership for Black members and she mimed slitting her throat every time she went through the temple really messed with my head when I realized how old she had been when she joined and when I learned about what they did in the temple.
@@marylamphere2112 It's always worth pointing out that the Mormon church is explicitly based on racism. It's within living memory that they are trying to backtrack. I've heard testimonies from non-white members that they are treated very poorly still by other white members. It's abominable and needs to be brought up constantly
I did my endowment in the SL temple in 1974. It was the live action version with the blood oaths and the whole storyline about Lucifer paying a Protestant minister to teach false doctrines to Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. If an older Ex-Mormon like me tells a young TBM about that stuff which has been removed from the ceremony, they call me a liar and a disgruntled apostate.
What are the secrets of the temple?
My response to the original interview was awe at the empathy and clear concern from Cara and John for the pain they could see Eve experiencing
Thanks for the update, Eve. I hope you check in periodically, I find your story so refreshing, honest and insightful. Continue to be brave in your search for truth.
Thank you! I’ll try!!
Omg, thannnnk you!! That superiority complex thing- I moved to Salt lake months ago to be with my dad when he was diagnosed with ALS. I've struggled so much trying to connect with people here as well as understand why the culture here is so different. I feel less crazy hearing someone else speak about the superiority complex weaved through Mormonism. I tried explaining how condescending it feels the way my family talks to me because I'm not part of the lds church. As much as my brother's effort was appreciated, my siblings just can't see it. I'm glad I'm not alone despite how isolated it feels
I’m sorry you feel so isolated and talked down to. They really don’t realize how bad it is… it’s embarrassing looking back at it.
Post jw and I share the experience of realizing...just very recently....how arrogant I must have come across. Some of my own words echo in my head.
Your initial interview with Eve was my first exposure to ExMo deconstruction and it was really beautiful to see how other people are able to face this.
Same!
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Eve, you wield your bravery with a unique elegance.
Thank you for being you!
My heart is full and I'm sending you all the good vibes and hugs from Denmark (if wanted) ✨🌈
Awww thank you so much. My ancestors were converted from Denmark and left for the church… maybe we would’ve been neighbors in another life!
@@everpearce❤❤❤ I've loved seeing you break free ❤️❤️❤️I too understand all the fallout. Ex fundi. Lost everyone. Best thing ever 🙌
@@everpearce Or you wouldn't be born, seeing as your ancestors wouldn't have met and had your other ancestors. I wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the LDS Church, so it's a love-hate relationship in a sense. I don't consider myself Mormon, but I'm baptized and it's just a part of my history. It's alright to change paths while not rejecting the past, because the past happened for a reason.
When I watched Eve on Mormon Stories, I thought, "She's already got one foot out the door." I'm so glad to see this interview; I've been hoping for it and looking forward to it since the MSP interview. Thank you so much for this! The entire deconstruction process is so fascinating and these interviews are informative and helpful. I wonder if establishing some type of in-person deconstruction discussion group would help those who are leaving find a new community, even if it's a small one that you just start for your neighborhood. Thanks again and thank you for your bravery, honesty, integrity and courage, Eve!
I can’t second this idea more! It’s so interesting how the deconstruction process is similar across faiths. I’m not LDS but deconstructed evangelicalism and I love Mormon Stories, Cara’s channel here, Cults to Consciousness, etc.
I like that idea of a deconstruction group!
According to church insiders, about 3/4 of young Mormons are rejecting the church. That's about the same percentage I've observed in my own large extended family, so I'd say that it's fairly accurate. One of the daughters of one of my most devout Mormon relatives is working as a server in a Hooter's restaurant. I think that's a.....hoot.
As a deconstructing Catholic, I can’t find many videos that resonate to the extent that exmormon videos such as these videos do. There is so much gentleness and calmness and peace, but also a lot of questions and critical thinking (which is where I’m at). It makes me know I’m going to be ok ♥️ thank you both.
Your comment really saddened me.
There is a world of difference between Mormonism and Catholicism.
First glaring difference is The Catholic Church has been here for 2000 years and was started by Jesus Christ Himself.
Historical and Biblical facts.
Mormonism has been here for 200 years and is a cult started by the narcissistic madman Joseph Smith, a human being. And a free(irony)mason.
Free masonry is satanic.
Another fruit of the protestant heresy of Luther.
There are tens of thousands of protestant denominations (cults). None of which contains "The Whole" TRUTH.
The word Catholic itself, means WHOLENESS or FULLNESS.
KATHOLIKOS, is the Fullness and truth of Christianity.
People have been trying to debunk it for thousands of years, they can't.
Jesus said His Church, The Catholic Church would last forever.
After only 200 short years, Mormonism is crumbling.
I don't think it will last a generation or two before it's a distant memory. Like the 500 protestant churches every year that close down, finished, shut their doors for good, bring in the bull dozers, flattened, kaput, gone for good.
The Catholic Church has had some bad apples, but it's teachings are and have been true and perfect. The Bible came out of The Catholic Church. The western world was created by CATHOLICISM.
Medicine, the sciences, hospitals, universities, charities, all grew out of CATHOLICISM.
The Church has always had problems, even while Jesus was on earth, one of His Apostles, Judas, betrayed Him for thirty pieces of silver, then hung himself in despair.
And as prophesied by Jesus, Peter, the first Pope, denied even knowing Him.
But Peter repented and went on to lead the early Christian Church, which was and is The Catholic Church.
There has been an unbroken Succession of popes, 265, if I'm not mistaken since Peter.
Apostolic Succession.
The Catholic Church is still here, always will be.
I was poorly catechized, maybe you were too.
35 years ago I left my faith because of ignorance. I was convinced by my supervisor in the Air Force, who happened to be a pastor of a church he invented, that CATHOLICISM was in error.
His church no longer exists.
But mine does, ours does.
That time in my life actually made me study Catholicism and I learned more than I ever did in CCD. It actually made me a stronger Catholic.
BTW, I'm not sure if you know why so many Catholics were poorly catechized.
Communist infiltration in the early 1900's.
Communist and socialist infiltraters joined the Catholic Church, becoming priests, deacons, nuns, in an attempt to destroy it from the inside.
You can read all about it in a book by Taylor Marshall it's called Infiltration. Plenty of other writings on the subject.
Taylor is a Catholic Convert, former Episcopal priest, has a podcast on UA-cam.
But The Catholic Church is still the largest Christian Church even with all it's problems, struggles, bumps and bruises.
It's built to last and weather the storms, no matter what happens.
I hope you give His One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church another chance.
Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
The ship is sailing to The Everlasting Shores of Paradise, and it will reach landfall intact, perhaps badly damaged but intact.
Don't be one who jumps ship in the middle of the sea, you are sure to drown.
Stay aboard, and help repair what's been broken.
Don't abandon ship.
She's sure to reach safe harbor, even, limping in, in tatters, busted up, from bow to stern, riddled with holes from the enemies cannons, smoldering, blackened, barely afloat.
But this ship, This Church, Christ' Body, once broken, has the promise of resurrection and perfection, and Eternal Glory.
God bless you.
i wonder. because catholicism can look so different across cultures. what does it look like for you. what needs to be deconstructed? to me, it was never a conscious deconstruction process, as religion in my culture is seen as very private, personal beliefs are seen as very intimate. so, changing one's mind on religion over time and over years can look just like changing one's mind on ANY topic really.
@@Freaky0Nina Hello Freaky. I agree, it does look different in ways across cultures.
I think one must keep in mind, ALL Christian denominations, 40,000+, or whatever that number is up to now, stem from Catholicism.
The Catholic Church is The One and Only Church Established by Jesus Christ Himself. The Original Christian Church.
And that is a Historical Fact, undeniably and undebatable.
All others are man-made, and they sprung up following the protestant reformation of the 16th century.
As you know I'm sure, are well aware of the many "mainline" denominations, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, Baptist, and the multitude of sects that formed from those. But there are three that are widely considered cults.
Mormons, Jehovah witness, and 7th day adventists, because they are so completely in contradiction to Scripture, old and new testaments.
And clearly filled with inventions and fantasy that resemble little, traditional Christianity.
And they came about in the mid to late 1800's, as did so many other protestant denominations.
But these 3, are considered cults, well, because they had cult like leaders that were way out in left field, and imposed a way of living on their members the can only be described as cult like.
IE, marriage practices, sexual practices, codes of dress, who you can and cannot associate with, obedient members for life, or else, strict adherence to doctrines no questions asked, or else, control, power, money, and the list goes on.
Back to Jesus Christ, and The One Church He Established.
The Catholic Church has been here for 2000 years.
Mormons claim it ended some time shortly after the last Apostle died.
"Some time". ????
You'd think to make such a bold and radical claim, you'd produce exact dates.
But you'd have to make some kind of claim like that to give the new cult any kind of legitimacy.
Problem is, it never ended, or morphed into something entirely new and different.
It's been here all along.
The way Catholics practice the faith, The Mass, The Doctrines, The Traditions, are the same today as they were in the 1st century.
It's all recorded, in writing, ancient texts, older than the New Testament, by The Early Christian Church and The Church Fathers.
Read St Ignatius of Antioch's letters, St Justin Martyr, St Iranaeus, Tertulian, countless others, Saints and Doctors of The Catholic Church, The Christian Church.
I could go on and on, for love of God and you, my neighbor.
The Bible, a Catholic book for Catholics, compiled and Canonized by The Catholic Church late 300's ad.
Mormons say The Catholic Church was finished by then, so explain that.
When Christ Established The Church, He said it would stand until the end of time, forever.
To say The Church He started, ended, thereby creating a need for a man 1600 years later to begin a new "church" (Martin Luther), would be to call Christ a liar.
Luther was a former Catholic priest, who left the one true Church, because of disagreements, and severe neurotic mental problems.
He writes about his neurotic tendencies in his own autobiography.
He had hatred for Rome(Italy and Germany were arch rivals), and refused to continue to submit to The Authority of The Papacy.
He was a rebel and a Heretic.
It's not The Catholic Church that needs deconstructing, it's your views and misunderstandings.
It's the lies and hatred of The Catholic Church, for centuries, that need deconstructing.
If you had a true grasp and understanding of The Catholic Church and Her Teachings, you would fall in love.
Heretical protestant denominations and cults need to be deconstructed and we people of Christ, need to unite again as we once were for 16 centuries, before the protestant deformation.
United WE Stand, divided y'all fall.
Christ = Unity
Satan = Division
1 United Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
50,000 Divided protestant denominations and cults.
Seems like a no-brainer.
God bless.
1:28:09 "I have never felt more connected to everyone else on earth than I had in those moments. For how much the church preaches we're all children of God, we should love each other and we're all a spirit family. But as soon as I decided to leave that, that's when I felt more connection to everyone than I ever had in my entire life."
This happened for me shortly after my faith deconstruction earlier this year! It's cool and validating to hear that it happened for Eve too! When I was a faithful member I THOUGHT I loved everyone in or out of the church unconditionally, and tried and thought I did pretty good at not judging others who weren't members, but I never realized just how judgemental and non-loving I really was until I "woke up" from the false indoctrination that the LDS Church and members are better than everyone else. Makes me sick to think about it now, but I know it wasn't completely my fault and I'm excited to move forward and know what it truly means to love myself and others unconditionally!
Best of luck, Eve, as you continue to figure things out! You're not alone!
Thank you. ❤❤❤❤ best of luck to you too. I’m glad we aren’t alone.
So beautiful. The things that connect humanity are so much deeper than any religion ever could go. Striving for real human connection that comes genuinely from your own heart and not any doctrine is essential.
Yes, it was so beautifully said! I went through similar feelings!
Thank you! I’m glad to know I’m not alone. And you described it so perfectly here. It is embarrassing to look back on, but freeing to feel so differently now. ❤
Thank you both for a wonderful video! I relate so much to the "newness" and "awe" the world has after deconstruction. It's a beautiful feeling, and im grateful that you do so much to share that with others ❤
I’m there are other people who feel the same way! ❤❤
“I felt like, this, drop into the human family.” I LOVE the way Eve put that. I was raised evangelical and that is a wonderful way to describe how I felt when I stopped believing. That is why all religion frustrates me so much, it creates imaginary divisions among the human race what just makes so many more thinks so much unnecessarily harder than it already has to be.
People all over the world are far more alike than they are different when you get down to a personal level.
I had a very similar experience after leaving Catholicism. Well said, thank you.
This was amazing. I'm glad to see that Eve is doing so well!
Thanks ❤❤❤ me too 😅
Thank you Eve for your honest testimony. I have had all the same questions as you but I have a different perspective because I didn't live anywhere near Salt Lake (yes, that makes a difference) and also my brain never stops asking questions and couldn't connect with Mormonism my whole life because I wasn't allowed to have real answers to any of those questions. I was born into Mormonism, raised in it, etc. and yet, I could never be one, not really. When I asked questions, I was treated badly and talked down to. I am de-programming my brain and I see the world so much more clearly now.
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Another great conversation between two autonomous, intelligent women. Thank you.
I am so glad you did this. Several months ago I watched the first video with eve. I was/am just like she was at that time. I have continually wondered what she did after that interview over these months. There have always been questions I have had throughout the years, and was always taught not to go outside of the church for research. I was 8 years old when I started questioning things. Younger really. I could never understand why black people could not hold the priesthood. I was 8 when they change that policy and to this day remember how happy I was when it was announced. Things like this have piled up over the years and have left holes in my beliefs. That said there are other things I have lived by and always felt blessed from doing so. In 2019 we had a life altering, faith crushing event happen. The “reasoning” that was given to my questions about how this could happen was the biggest whitewashing, faith shattering excuse I have ever heard. We trudged through the next 4 years devastated and mitigating the damage on our own. We are in a good place now and in some ways better off, but not my faith. There a so many reasons, I’m afraid to do what Eve did. a lot she went through. I am in my 50’s, and always lived in Utah, so my indoctrination is probably even more ingrained. There are so many things I cannot reconcile for myself and my family.
I’m so sorry to hear how difficult this has been for you. I hope you can find peace and courage to do what will bring you the most happiness. Everyone’s timelines are different. Sending you love ❤❤
If you started questioning the church at age eight, you're a lot smarter than I am. I was a hardheaded thick as a brick arrogant TBM until I was in my mid 30s. And even after I started studying my way out, it took another 7-8 years to finally break my mind completely free and resign.
I left RLDS in 1974. My journey after is a Christian one but not what 90% or more do. First I learned that in Book of Acts 17. God does not dwell in buildings. That you the person are the Temple not a building. That you have a spiritual connection to God and man has nothing to do with it. It's not a relgion but s relationship between you and God. period.
I am not trying to prrsuade you because I also know what it's like to be freed from Mormonism. That is huge. Each of us travels on our own road and being a part of any made made organization only puts you back in chains. I see both you and Cara are free and on your journey to seek truth. That is so awesome and you both are Rock Stars or heroes. My comment is more for those who don't realize they think religion is the answer. But forget you worship God in spirit and truth. It is between them and God. Give them space to walk free and continue on their destination. Let them decide their own lives. If you need to do something, then pray and trust your faith. This is their testimony and we should celebrate it.
So basically you gave up one delusion for another. Now instead of blindly believing what Mormon elders told you you believe in what the buybull says. I'm not even vaguely impressed. If you think "trust your faith" is good advice then please don't ever give anyone else advice. Faith is gullibility. It is believing things without evidence. Rational people don't do that. God does indeed not dwell in buildings though because he doesn't exist and you certainly learned nothing from the book of Acts or any other part of the buybull.
David is Joseph Smith your daddy? As far as being delusional of which I am not. You can't see air only what it does. Yet, I believe in air.
I think you like name calling and of which I take a different approach to that. I have spent many years in which I take people like you who like to call people names and deal with it differently. Of course I will never meet you but I have met many like you. They don't fare very well when they meet me. So I will just remember what I have done to others and think of you. Not very long though about same time as it takes to take care of you.
So glad for the follow up! I have been wondering what happened! Good to know both of u are still friends and have learned a lot from each other! I wish more people were as open minded! Y’all are great 😊!
Thank you! Carah’s the best
I am so glad to see this follow-up. The first video was hard to watch as an active LDS person. I figured you guys had a strong friendship to be able to ask those questions. I put myself in Eve's place during that time. I am still active but trying to understand the past history. I do have many reservations that I question, yet still love the modern day teachings and lessons from the prophet today.
Love this episode I enjoyed the first video and great to see an update.
So glad to see an update. That was a great Mormon stories episode and have wondered what was next for Eve. Congrats!
Thx for the update, edits, and content.❤
Eve, your thoughts about life post-deconstruction is so relatable. It feels very validating. I especially resonate with not living for the next life anymore, and how much more precious each moment is now. Living life for simply living this life feels so much better. Thank you for sharing!!
I’m glad you feel that way too. ❤❤ it’s the best.
Yeah! I've been watching for this, ever since you mentioned you guys would be doing this. Thank you. ❤️❤️❤️
Eve, I really appreciate your vulnerability and openess. Your feelings and journey are so relatable and helpful!
Two people trusting with vulnerability on this channel is real spiritual growth.
Thank you so much for sharing that incredibly vulnerable experience with us. Absolutely love how Eve portrayed that interview as allowing others to see themselves in her shoes. Just beautiful.
Thank you so much for updating us Eve!!!! I’m so relieved that you have been able to use this as a springboard to get to a better place and happier/healthier mental health space!!!
I’m so happy about that too. Thank you for cheering me on. ❤❤
I’m here now because of the first interview that you did together. I’m really looking forward to watching today’s show!
'Ex mormon Voldemort' 🤣🤣
This video is so validating!! Thank you for sharing. I totally relate to experiencing more love and connection to everyone in the world since taking steps away from the church than when I was actively part of the church!
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Eve! Thanks for being willing to come do this much hoped for follow up. I can say I also have been on the "Eve Timeline" as your interview was one of the first MSP interviews I watched and its been heartbreaking and also so freeing to be growing, learning, and changing.
I’m so glad you’ve found freedom and good things in the change. The difficult parts suuuuuuck. Hope it keeps getting better and you have people to support you. ❤
Eve is so brave. I can not imagine how difficult a faith crisis can be, and her courage to share that journey is inspiring. I have no doubt her story is helping many people.❤
Thank you. I hope it is too.
Carah, bringing the gun show as always… I definitely would too if I was you!😂❤
I can't stop, won't stop.
The Mormon Stories Podcast with Eve is definitely one of my favorites. I was wondering if the show changed your perspective. Glad for the update.
🎉🎉 glad you liked it ❤
A system that can and will not allow other ideas or concerns to be voiced but also focuses its culture on “missions” and spreading their truth is both incredibly fragile and predatory. When you send your barely grown children to go question other people’s reality you as an organization are just a money hungry bully hiding behind thousands of smiles that rarely reach the eyes.
@everpearce thank you for being willing to do your original video and this one too. I was fresh into my deconstruction when you went on Mormon Stories and it helped me to hear you digest the info they shared.
This was fantastic. Loved hearing the follow up.
Wonderful interview! So heart felt. Thanks!
So excited. This was one of my first and favourite interviews.
Awww yay!
HOOOOOW did I miss this live?! 😂
Sad day! Oh well I’m here for that replay all daaay baby! Glad to see you looking happy and healthy Eve!
Thank you ❤❤❤❤
There are few things more inspiring than an intelligent, vulnerable inquiry that is then empowered by an authentic, courageous stand for truth and transformation. Thank you both for being inspiring.
This is so healing to see witness this. In addition to sharing one's own experience, but also sharing the actual experience (referring to the previous interview) ! It is healing to those who journeyed alone in the past, or who currently feels alone. The authenticity, love and compassion is just dripping gold off these two ladies.
That was a great follow up episode, that’s for doing this!
Eve, you are an amazing person. Thank you for being so open with your journey. It was amazing to watch you as you processed the questions during your Mormon Stories interview and it is incredible to hear how your story is progressing. I am so glad that your husband has been supportive and am so inspired by your calm, honest willingness to learn. 💕
Thank you so much. These comments make the difficult parts of leaving all worth it. ❤❤
Thank you both!!
I watched your first interview yesterday and now I'm watching this one ❤ can't wait .
Eve, I truly enjoyed hearing your story and journey, thank you for sharing! It was very courageous to do this and it's hard to put everything on the line like you did.
Holy ....wha...this was amazing and wonderful and appreciated.
thank you for sharing! i've been out of the church for a decade now and being on an ever evolving journey of self discovery and spirituality is a wonderful thing
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Loved this episode, thank you! Eve was an amazing guest and is still an amazing guest. So helpful to see someone learn in real time, so kind of her to share that experience with all of us. ❤ thank you both !
🥹🥹 thank you
thanks for the update
eve is an angel. thank you for hosting this update, carah! ♥️
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Eve, you are so brave to walk your own path and be willing to share your story. Big virtual hugs and I hope you have a wonderful 2024!
When Eve was talking about how difficult is was to listen to apologetics or church talks now and how she could see the spiritual/emotional manipulation, Nelson’s most recent conference talk (“Think Celestial”) kept popping up in my mind…it was so cringy for me to listen to on all accounts, like all the things I’ve been deconstructing lately had been bullet points in his talk! And especially being directly told to “never take counsel from those who don’t believe”…really?!
Thank you both, Eve & Carah for bravely sharing your experiences with those of us who need to hear we’re not alone in our journey to true light, truth, and authenticity. ❤❤
That talk bothered me so much too. 🤢
Russell Nelson had better think celestial, 'cause he's gonna be heading to the afterlife soon
It was really important - thank you Eve ❤
I live with scrupulosity OCD, too (ex/post-Catholic).
It’s so validating when other women voice it because it’s so hard to explain how debilitating it is when people around you believe, even closest femme friends.
So lovely to me, so affirming. Love to you both! I’ve already teared up and I’m about six minutes in. 😂
It’s sooo validating to know we’re not alone in those experiences! Thank you for sharing yours ❤❤
Eve was ready to hear the truth, she had doubts deep seated that,she didn’t even know she had. You saved her life! And opened her mind. She is so sweet. I love you eve!
Thank you 💗💗💗💗 🥰🥹
I was shamed by my x- (then)- husband for my post-partum depression, then also for my "psychosomatic" mono heaped on top... then that was used to attack me during the divorce, since i was "unstable and depressed"... oy.
may gd bless him, and keep him Faaaaaaaar Awaaaaaaay from me!
I’m so sorry 😢
Thanks for the follow up!!
I watched that interview/discussion and it was so painful when she became afraid of even asking a question or learning about this I am stoked to see this. Watching now... ❤
It was very painful indeed 😅
I like your sofa and the ambience of the subtle lights in the background
Thanks!
i’ve grown up in and lived in utah as a non religious person my whole life surrounded by lds people. i’ve witnessed so many people harmed by this church, and think meanwhile that they are being protected. i have seen so many friends deconstruct, and work like this is so damn important for that process. glad i found this channel, and im so proud of you, eve. carry on ❤
Eve, your openness to others and seeing them as whole people and being curious about them is truly remarkable. We can all learn so much from you about being willing to change your mind and wanting to hear people out with genuine curiosity about their point of view. It is so very difficult to look at the cracks in your own worldview and not hide. I so appreciate your vulnerability and the attitude you bring to the world.
Awww thank you so much. You are kind 🥹💖 it means so much to read this.
Eve, you are a strong and brave woman. Thank you so much for coming on with Carah to give an update. Please come on again and give an update on how you are doing.❤❤
Not me getting an ad before your video for a 'come follow me study guide' 🤣🤣
Glad the friendship survived! As an atheist, I would like to concur with Carah, people of all backgrounds admiring Eve's courage in facing up to becoming more informed about her faith. I have faith that the choices she made/makes will be right for her and her family, she comes across as a really nice, smart person.
Thank you so much. I’m glad we’re still friends too. 😊
I hope to someday have even a fraction of the integrity that Eve has! I would have killed to have a friend like Eve during my deconstruction. Thank you both for your openness and for sharing!! This was such a cool follow-up. ❤ much love
🥹🥹 ❤ thank you. This is one of the kindest things anyone has ever said to me.
Amazing! I watched it twice! I hope you have peace on your truth now Eve!
Thank you ❤❤❤
Eve is super rad! Really enjoyed the first episode and now this follow-up! Please rope her into more episodes and discussions. She is such a refreshing and genuine soul.
Thank you!!! I’d love to participate more ☺️
@@everpearce makes me so happy you responded and know that I think you are awesome!
I loved this. I grew up in the IFB (now an Atheist) and hearing Eve describing how there were things in the church that she didnt agree with but chose to trust the church hit heavy. That was me exactly for much of my teenage years. It is so hard to admit that the church you grew up in and trusted could actually be wrong.
This was really great
Thank you for the follow-up, it is great to hear part 2 and accompany you on your journies. There was a comment about true Christianity which i imagine will be a large pill to swallow for former Mormons and other protestants, but find peace in the fact that Jesus started one true Church and (as crazy as it seems especially these days) He promised the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church. May God bless you. Please keep up the great work!
I’m so happy I stumbled upon this! I served in the LA mission but never as Eves companion but at the same time as she did ❤
Hello, I just want to thank you for the podcast with Eve, I am an inactive member and this channel makes me heal the many doubts that have been making me noise for years due to all the anomalies due to the abuse of authority that exists in the Mormon sect.
Y'all are both amazing. Out there being smart and witty for young women and girls to look up to and emulate, and for boys and men to be impressed by. So glad you're both there to be the articulate and thoughtful role models that our youth need! (We had... Dorothy Hamill, Nadia Komenichi... from my memory mostly sports- gymnastics, entertainment- singers, actresses... but not enough women known primarily for their intelligence.) Carah, im so impressed by how many little facts you keep swinning around in yr head! And Eve, im so impressed at how well you were able to stay open to hearing more things that were rocking the foundation of everything you knew and understood to be real and true in yr world... so hard not to shut that right down! Y'all are awesome.
Thank you ❤❤❤
This update has 51k views too! I was so excited to see an update. Glad to see you are doing ok even with the thoughts of nihilism! NihilismsRUS! 😂 Balancing on the precipice.
But it actually calms me to know there are stars under my feet and I get to cling to this planet for a while more, and can focus on meaning rather than petty bs.
This is very cool. It's not often that you get to sit and actually watch someone's deconstruction. Also, she just seems so much more confident and at peace this time around. Super proud of, and happy for, Eve. 🤘
Was so awesome seeing you two together! Eve I'm so glad you have come out the other end with that smile on your face. I hope you both keep this friendship going strong.
Ps Eve show her yummy drinks, not wine unless it's with orange juice 😂😂
Haha thank you!
She seems so much more comfortable now ❤️ so happy for you Eve, I hope you’re doing well in your new life!
She does, and I’m so glad they captured her real reactions in the video series leading up to this. Nice job ladies
Actually had a similar experience, watched a Mormon Stories interview with Matt who was my wife's cousin, I have the utmost respect for him and his wife Stephanie. My shell was already cracked but that finished it right off and I'll always be grateful to them, and for you + John for that interview from someone I knew and trusted.
Eve! I am so happy for you!
Your deciding not to go into your beliefs at the moment in front if the whole internet is not only good boundary keeping for you, but an amazing kind of wisdom about coming away from a tradition that required public affirmations of belief and faith at all times.
I will absolutely check out Reclaiming Mom Brain. i think few people understand that I had post partum depression after the birth of my first child. my second is now three and I still have it. I don't have a different post partum, I have the same.
1:01:40 I so agree with you, by doing all of those things we forgot to live the present which is quite important. Excellent viewpoint.
What a wonderful love you both have for each other ❤❤❤
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"Never felt more connected to everyone else on earth." I can relate, its brought about the greatest feelings of love and connectedness with mankind that I have ever experienced.