My son was groomed by his female teacher. He was 15, she was 24. The betrayal of trust is still indescribable. She was eventually jailed for having sex with someone under 16, but the damage done cannot be fully described. My son and our family unit is still trying to heal. Never underestimate the pain this type of crime causes.
That's horrific. Hope your healing continues, with things like this, it ripples and impacts not just the victim but the families as well. In usual cases it's already an abuse of power, but to be a teacher, it's even more amplified (all are just as bad, not trying to compare here). Wishing you all the best.
As a teacher (female ) for twenty years , this makes me physically ill. Its such a betrayal of those you have to protect , we are trained to look out for all kinds of abuse . In most cases we are the front line even before social services .Its a complete reversal of everything a teacher should be. Sorry im a little triggered here !
I too was a teacher, and it is triggering. When the vast majority of us spend our careers giving so much beyond the requirements of the job, to hear of this sort of behaviour is shocking, frustrating and heartbreaking! We already get a terrible press, without people like her dragging the profession even further down. Very well said!
I cannot , in any scenario or point in life, imagine a child being sexualized to me. I am so disgusted that a woman especially, would look at a child sexually. Yes, men do, i get its a double standard butva woman to me is the protector
President Macron nobody says anything about that relationship. He met her his teacher now wife when he was 14 she was 38 & publicly dated at 16 . I don’t see what the difference is it might be bc he’s a president.
@@shawnnewell4541 Teacher & pupil & age of consent in France 🇫🇷 is 15 . Emma was taking about grooming surely a 38 yr old woman/ teacher is wrong as well yet she is greeted the world over .
When this story broke online the comments defending her made me feel sick- the type of comments like “where were these teachers when I was a boy?” And how it’s a teens dream.. they wouldn’t say this if it was a male teacher! Paedophilia is not ok whatever the gender
It is an unforgivable betrayal. It puts the entire profession into disrepute. And parents need to wise up. It was completely inappropriate for her to have so much access to someone else's child.
It’s not a new thing, there was at least 4 girls I can remember having ‘love affairs’ with male teachers when I was at school in the 70s nothing was done about it, one actually married the dirty perv when he got divorced and she left school, she posts on the school Facebook page and I’m so tempted to say something, but he’s dead now. She was a child, but a marriage with kids was destroyed…all sorts of wrong!
I met my husband when we were 14. Now 34 years later we are old and boring & at no point during my adult life have I ever looked at a child, teenagers or young adult and found them the least bit attractive. My 23yr old son has many friends and although they are all at the gym daily & 6” grown men they still all look like kids to me. To think that a teacher would put my son through something like this is honestly disgusting!
That's just it. I get random shorts coming up on my feed at times and sometimes the girls look like they're 12 years old! Logically they could definitely be 16+ years old, but my head is just like, "CHILD."
Exactly. I have a nephew who is 30 years old, I'm 39. And him and his friends are all grown up now, families of their own etc. I could never look at these lads, even as grown men and think it was appropriate to be involved with them in an intimate way because I've known them since they were kids. I was a kid too for some of their lives, but eww, they're still the kids that hung out with my nephew to me. It's just so gross.
I completely agree , if this had been a male teacher having a sexual relationship with a 15 year old female, there would be NO room for any explanation. It’s ridiculous. I’m the mom of a now 21 year old young man. I can’t imagine how upset the boys parents must have been when they found out what was happening. I’m so thankful she was caught and prosecuted. I hope the boys get the help they need to heal. Great work , Emma.
If this was a male teacher and a female student, it would be straight to jail, do not pass go. I do not understand how, when the gender roles are reversed, the gravity of the crime is downplayed. Disgusting. Thank you emma for expressing how wrong this is, and I’m so glad the prosecution did the right thing by these boys. I hope they recover x
I'm convinced the reason we're hearing more about female sex abusers is because it's been incredibly underreported in the past and perhaps victims are feeling more supported to report it now. We've still got a lot of work to do on shaming victims but I hope we're headed toward progress.
Oh, absolutely. Our generation has absolutely changed the conversation regarding sexual abuse, and I'm so proud of everyone who can reach out and speak about it. Even if you still can't, it takes a lot of strength to carry that with you everyday.
I hope you're right. While I hope to never hear another story of abuse again I wish it meaning I wish it just never happens, but not because somebody is too scared to speak out!
Mary Kay LeTourneau in my home state of Washington was the first female in my state, if not the USA, who brought the subject of female pedophiles up. Ever since then there have been increasing numbers of females being prosecuted as pedophiles.
Once you're someone's teacher, or any person with authority over someone, that person is untouchable! It's a total abuse of power! This is a repeat of Mary Kay Lataurno.
Thank you Emma. I'm a teacher and just despair at the number of times we read about teachers overstepping safeguarding boundaries and grooming students. This particular case was shocking.
The very same thing happened here in Italy a few years ago. The groomed boy was only 14 years old and the adult was 35 😱 The student was so traumatised that he didn't say anything to his parents for a long time. He was even forced to meet his baby in several occasions, because that crazy abusive woman (and pedophile) was convinced she was in love and wanted to live with him. How SICK and OUTRAGEOUS is it?!? She already had a kid with her husband, who was told the baby was his. He's now actually raising that innocent baby boy as if he was his child and his ex wife is obviously in prison. The victim's life is forever ruined on many levels though, he knows he is a father and no psychological therapy can erase that awareness... Many lives were ruined. Very shocking and sad stories. Thank you for your extra video, Emma ❤
Great coverage of this topic. Best I’ve seen by far. Most channels barely go in to detail beyond “pretty female teacher” and whether her partner stays with her. Never talks about the impact on the victims or the culture especially of older men when they hear stories like this making comments like “ wish I was this lucky, what are they complaining about” when if it was their daughter with a male authority figure, it would be completely different
She's sick in the head. As a woman in her 30s and also as the mother of a son this whole thing disgusts me. How you can look at a teen boy and think of him in an inappropriate way is beyond me. And as a parent of a son, if someone were to do this to my child I would want her put away for a very long time. It's a pity they're often more lenient on women in these scenarios. If you ask me a predator is a predator.
A predator is a predator regardless of gender, you are absolutely correct! It’s more shocking when it’s a woman as we are nurturers and in more positions of care where children are concerned but in no way should that affect punishment. Women should get as much as a man would get. I hope victims are feeling like they can speak out more because I’m sure it’s very underreported as is male victims of female domestic violence and rape etc 😢
@@jesclifford88 exactly! That's why it's so difficult to comprehend, our natural instinct is to protect and nurture so to see this just gives me the ick. Unfortunately a lot of young men will be afraid to speak out because even people they know will say silly things like "where was that teacher when I was in school" and almost consider the young lad lucky. The way I see it is that some grown adult has stolen the experience of first time intimacy from them, he should have never have been put in that situation by an adult who is supposed to care. I just think she's stolen that experience from him and as he gets older he will have regrets about that and possibly even blame himself but the responsibility is not his, it's all on her and there should be no leniency just because she happens to be a woman. She's disgusting.
I agree she was wrong and it was disgusting 🤢. But, I’m not sure she can be called a predator. She obviously has issues she’s tried to have relationships with these boys it’s very odd. Does she have previous history of this? She’s ruined her own life. It is different with women I think because most women don’t have sex on the mind all the time nor do they let thoughts take over their lives like some men do. She’s a silly woman and deserves prison, but predator I don’t think so.
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Something similar is currently happening in small town Alberta, Canada. A woman, that a few of my friends went to school with, is currently being investigated for crimes against boys on the local junior hockey team that she had worked with in some capacity - thankfully she didn't end up pregnant by these boys. I haven't seen any updates about it, though I haven't looked. But it goes to show it can be literally anyone. Regardless of how they look.
Boys too often do not get the same protection from predators. I’m always disgusted by the replies like “he’s not a victim.” Or “wish I had a teacher like that.” Or “it’s not the same thing when it’s a boy.” It’s the same! A child cannot consent. FULL STOP 🛑 It is a violation of that CHILD. I have sons and demand the same safety as I would if we had girls.
At 15/16 i had a brain and knew hoe to use it . Was more than capable of saying no and not get involved in something i did not want to . Youth today seem unable or are unwilling to do that
Lost virginity to an older lady at 15 about a month before reaching the age of consent and can guarantee 100% i consented . Left school at Easter and working for a living and this was at a Christmas party held in the office i worked in . The only child i feel sorry for in this is the one she gave birth to as it will grow up with two dumbass's for parents unless it is lucky to be adopted
@GenXfrom75 Instead of seeking an external and official body to protect boys from such Teachers why not just develop the ability to speak to your boys and run this exact scenario past them? Boys at 15 are right on the edge of consent and unless told they will possibly make sexualised comments to an attractive teacher (as happened in this case). She was rightly punished but at the same time we molly coddle young men and seem to have brought up a generation of imbeciles. This woman was obviously very juvenile in her thinking herself and absurdly naive. I mean, what woman in a similar situation would try and keep a young boy around by way of a surprise pregnancy announcement. Yes this is predatory behaviour but we live in a society which promotes promiscuity and deviant serial behaviour; that women can behave like men and think with their genitals. Parents need to take a greater degree of responsibility for their children's upbringing and maybe this cycle of teachers grooming children will be lessened.
I remember a teacher at my school that slept with several of the boys in my year, (year 10,11) it was well known and at the time none of us thought of it as abuse, we knew she shouldn’t be doing it and would lose her job and didn’t want that to happen because she was coo, she smoked weed and ‘treated us like adults’, Looking back at it with adult eyes it’s so shocking to remember.
Yeah same. When I think of those times I now think with shock and horror!!!!! Teenagers have the body of an adult but the life experience of a toddler.....
Thank you Emma. This is a conversation that NEEDS to happen in society. ‘Appearance’ comes up time and time and again - it’s happens in both genders and it’s irrelevant. No one has it stamped on their forehead, a predator is a predator. It’s never a question of “why would they when they could get anyone?” it’s really quite simple, they want the control and the forbidden.
One 100% crossed the line of no return, how dare she use her position to sexually exploit children, in this way . What the hell is wrong with society ? .
Joynes is an appalling example of a human being in every way - those boys were so brave to tell the school and this gets me every time that predators have no idea the distress they cause by their actions. Why doesn’t she do the honourable thing, admit to the criminal offence and apologise that she has committed the most heinous crime and disgraced herself. Those poor boys being put through such an ordeal, she has no idea the damage she has caused to them and their families - she is an out and out predator and she deserves to go to prison
I was a secondary school teacher for ten years and this case has made me feel so sick. As a teacher your instinct is to protect those in your care. As a teacher you realise how vulnerable all kids can be and you are in a privileged position to keep them safe and ensure they can go into the world educated, safe and happy.
I am in my 50's now but when I was in my teens my history teacher who was about 23 years old used to flirt & wear inappropriate clothing for a teacher. She got a buzz out of the appx 14 year old boys liking her. All us girl students at the time would talk about her flirty behaviour to the boys & the fact it made us feel uncomfortable. It was like she was teasing them. Looking back now after watching this case it should have been red flagged to someone in higher authority.
I think the most important perspective you gave is that those boys were in no position to consent. It's easy to understand that babies can't consent, less easy to understand that 15 year old boys can't. But it's STILL TRUE they were in no position to consent.
one of the guys who i went to school with, ended up being a teacher at the school we went to and was done for this with a year 10 girl at the skwl when my lil sister was their in 6th form.. my first question to her was he didn't try anything with you did he/...
When I was 16 and started college I had a weekend job in a shop in Rochdale, I managed to arrange to go for a drink after work with this guy who I liked who was 21. So we did, and he happily bought me a couple of vodka and cokes and we were talking about music, films and what I would consider normal stuff. It was actually in Riley's Snooker Bar which used to be at the bottom of Drake Street where he was a member. He then put two and two together and figured out that I was only 16, barely out of school and possibly quite immature for my age. I'm 38 now and I can still remember how uncomfortable he looked sitting there knowing he had bought me alcohol and then just got me a plain lemonade and cut the 'date' short, walked to the taxi rank outside Wheatherspoons, made sure I had enough money to get home and saw me off safely. He didn't fall out with me as we still had to work together and at the time I was gutted that I didn't get to go out with him again. Looking back now as an adult I respect him for that, respect him for not buying me more alcoholic drinks to try and get me pissed and for not thinking ahh fuck it, she's well up for it anyway so why not? I look back and think what a true gent, stopping the drinks and making sure I was on my way home safely. Could have easily gone the other way and left me feeling used and exploited. Although I was 16 and could legally consent he may have initially assumed I was 18 but upon finding out i was 16 got the ick. Love your vids and had hoped you would make a video of this vile woman xx
How do you do this???? with all you do for us on your youtube channel, bringing up a family, going on tour, designing merch etc. and now an extra case. I wish I had your energy!!! So grateful for the time you spend on your followers. Much love 🙏❤
What a fantastic surprise to see this! As a teacher myself it was uncomfortable watching this but as usual Emma, you delivered the story eloquently and in a non sensational way. Lots of love 💕
Bravo Emma, for putting this content on your true crime channel. This is a true, real crime that will affect these young boys for the rest of their lives. I have been a maternity nurse for 20 years so I have seen all sorts of situations in the case room. It is truly heartbreaking how many predators are out there. I also have a physically and mentally disabled 12yo angel of a daughter and I am constantly worried something will happen to her as she can’t walk or help herself in the bathroom etc. She is totally dependent on others to help her and she is so easily trusting despite the teaching I do with her. I appreciate you bringing more awareness of other areas of true crime that don’t include murder, although Rebecca has savagely permanently taken a part of them that they will never be able to get back.
I understand what you're saying because I was just wondering myself how the maternity staff handled her labour and whether she got to hold her baby after birth. Also, was the young man who is the biological father of this child, at the hospital, and what on earth do he and his family think about him being a biological father as a teen? I'm in Australia, and over 34 years ago, I was training as a childbirth educator, and I had to watch a certain number of births and support the mothers giving birth. I was 6 months pregnant with my 4th child, and I had spent all day with this mother, and I was exhausted. But before I left for the day, I heard one of the midwives talking about a 12 year old who had come in in labour. Apparently in her culture, and I don't know what culture that was, it isn't unusual for very young girls to come in pregnant to a relative, so these midwives had a minefield to walk around with that case. I've often thought about her over the years and wondered what happened to her and her baby. Hopefully, her child wasn't subjected to the same treatment as her mother if the child had been a girl!
I like both old and new coverage. Even if we've heard a story told many times before, through many other narrators, you add a flare to it. You bring it to life.
What a legend, Emma! I appreciate when you release surprise content for us! It’s like a little treat, love it 🌸❤️ As a teacher, I really appreciate you covering this case. I actually teared up when you described that nurturing feeling we get when working with young people. Absolutely 👍 x
Im so glad you made this video. I see this casd on tiktok and honestly the comments are shocking things like 'why did he tell' 'where was she when i was at school' 'wish it was me'. Abuse is abuse no matter whos doing it and i think sometimes those comments are the reason some men dont come forward
We just had a male teacher get in trouble for writing love letters showing favoritism to some girl students in his class. The amazing thing is that a boy went to the authorities. They believed him that was so awesome that they did. Proud of him for stepping up.
@@rydz656i doubt his social life is the main worry of his life atm, he’s probably dealing with being groomed more than girls not wanting to date him. i really don’t think he’s going to be wanting to jump into a relationship straight after this.
@@rydz656Why do you assume that the girls liked the love letters rather than finding it creepy? There will be plenty of the students who can correctly recognize the sensible and brave act of the boy to report the pedophilic teacher. Plus even if the girls did shun him, it will only be for a couple of years, he can move school if it gets really bad and he can feel relieved and proud that he did the morally right thing. So the pros outweigh the cons.
Whilst on bail she began sleeping with another young boy and even feel pregnant, showing she clearly does not care and is disgustingly unhinged yet only got 6 years.
Thanks Emma.. you are amazing at explaining, analysing and giving professional insight into these cases. My youngest is 16 and I absolutely agree with you that he and his peers are young, vulnerable people who still need nurturing regardless of looks and personality. Thank you for getting this across. You are helping to protect our children and punish those who do the harm. Yes please to more of these videos 👍🏽
Emma just to tell you how much I enjoy your take on the cases but also the way you use the English language, the fluidity, complexity, variety is a joy for my ears to hear you narrating thanks!!
Your soliloquy as to how you want every young person to recognise their beauty was beautiful beyond words. Thank you Emma. I developed body dysmorphia at 10, and I can't blame teen magazines for that, as it was 1962. If we're unlucky enough to have parents who devalue us because they're screw-ups, it's so easy to hate our physical and internal selves. Its so easy to get derailed.
Especially as literal children, then when it’s a primary caregiver your Sense of Self or Self love can so easily be so destroyed before we even know what it is and some of us can never get it back no matter how hard we try 😓
Yeah, I really wish I would have had adults in my life when I was a teen that gave me encouragement and made me feel valued and that I was smart and could be successful in my life. Thanks for that Emma
Thank you. The victimisation in the trial was disgusting and so glad you talked about the need to recognise that young men are victims uust as young women are
Teacher cases are always awful but there is just something so sinister about knowing the training around safe guarding she will have learnt - a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Just awful.
As someone who works in a school with pupils who have experienced this or are at extreme risk of all levels of grooming this case absolutely breaks my heart those two poor boys to have their lives turned upside down and to be taken advantage of to such a level. The fact one is now a father is even more heartbreaking as it isn’t the child’s fault but ultimately is a constant reminder to him of what happened to him.
You're the first professional I've heard address that victims can feel over there enjoyment of their interactions with the perpetrator. The enjoyment may not last long, but it can often be used against them by the perp. It's a very confusing feeling and it's often ignored.
Emma of COURSE we love this content! We would lap up anything you put out but I do really like the 'of the moment' discussions as well as solved cases. Love the less talked about ones and the over exposed ones as long as its from your perspective, cos we love you! (in a non creepy way)
The schools don’t do anything.. two schools in my area failed two students, the first was a Girl that told a counselor that she had been raped but it had been a couple of years since it happened and another girl who said it happened to her recently by the same boy and the counselor told them they should press charges.. meanwhile the male student got to stay in school and other girls bullied the girls so bad that one dropped out. The second is a middle school boy who was molested on the bus by a female student, he told his Mom and the school isn’t doing anything, the girl is threatening and bullying this boy and nothing gets done 😢
Thank you for covering this so completely! I've read articles and seen videos on child abusing teachers here in the US, but the coverage doesn't go any further than enumerating the criminal behavior, and/or making some sort of 'freak show' out of the cases. Your excellent tutorial on a predatory teacher (especially a woman) makes all of the broken boundaries and blatant eschewing of adult responsibilities the main focus and crystal clear! Again thanks for the extra video and subject!!💖 💖 💖 💖 ☕️ ☕️ ☕️ ☕️ ☕️ ☕️
I was a teacher (female) and there were times when boys would give me their contact details etc., but as soon as this appears, it is like an immediate warning. As an experienced teacher, you just KNOW that to step over this line is very wrong. It is a decision you take as a trusted professional and it stops there.
I came across you around a month or so ago and just have to say, I really appreciate the amount of research and work you put in to every case you cover. I studied psychology at uni but didn’t end up doing anything with it and I love the passion you have. I’m doing my best to get through all your content and also hope to come see you on your tour!
You clearly have common sense with a knowledgeable mindset. I couldn't have worded your opinion to this case any better. It's strange how the looks of someone or the difference of the predator being man or women can change the way others view these kinds of situations. Thank you
At 15/16 i would not have turned down her advances but would like to think i would not have taken advantage of the situation if i knew of her problems . Seems not to be the case these days
I agree. A boy at that age is 9 times out of 10 going to be all for it. Full of raging hormones. She is clearly the predator and I believe she knew exactly what she was doing.
Thank you for your education and insight on this, its very important young people know the differences and recognise abuse....brilliant...I'm so sorry for all children that have suffered these awful crimes 😢
Yes, please make more of these videos! I love that you are spreading awareness of these issues in an informed and sensitive way. As a primary school teacher who is currently doing a Masters of Social work to get into child safeguarding, I also care deeply about much of the content you post, and I admire the way you do it with professionalism, honesty, true care for the victims, and a little humour thrown in. This is my first time commenting on one of your videos, despite having watched probably a good 40 of them, haha. I am not usually a commenter on UA-cam (maybe I should change that to show support!). But honestly, you do a fantastic job of covering every single one of the cases you present. In my eyes, you are completely unique in the UA-cam true crime world. No one else covers crime with the level of expertise, meticulousness, and charisma, that you do. Bringing an awareness to these types of predators is so important, and I am so glad you are doing it. Sorry, not trying to crawl up your butt here, but you are doing an amazing job, and I am sure many of us would love to see more of these harrowing cases covered by you. It always makes a difference when the person covering them comes from an obvious place of extreme care, knowledge, and experience. Keep up the amazing work! - From a weird little Aussie who has followed your work since I first saw you on Britain's Darkest Taboos many years ago, and cannot keep comments to an appropriate length haha x
Soooooo happy to have another surprise video to listen too whilst cleaning - I don’t know what to do on the in-between video cleans as I’ve gone back and watched every single one from the beginning 😂 thankyou! Looking forward to more recent case videos!
If he is like me at 16 and has a brain and knows how to use it he will be fine . Knew when someone was bullshitting me and capable of saying no to something i did not want to get involved in . Would i have turned down her advances . Probably not. Would i have turned down her advances knowing her mental state . Would like to think so .
A surprise bonus! Aside from that I hope people keep aware that women can also be abusers. Culturally we still need to discuss this more. Incidents may be less with women but they certainly can be harmful. There are so many subtleties of what it can be like for the boys, cultural "endorsements" of what happens to boys, and our understanding of their body reactions that are going to happen within certain stimuli that can cause further confusion for the victim. No excuses for any woman stepping beyond boundaries, and even worse when that woman is in a position of authority, power and control such as a teacher, etc. A child is a child and our job is to nurture and protect them.
As a former educator of younger kids, this makes me sick. Truth be told I didn’t end up teaching high school kids because of my looking younger and fear of dealing with students thinking im younger or ANYTHING. I was just so scared of the entire issue all together that didnt teach high school. Ive had kids ask me if im in high school still and parents judge the moment they meet me. So there are so many aspects to this horrible topic but it is up to THE ADULT to know better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why do people want to be teachers? You are dealing with snotty knows kids . smart ass know it all teens , dumbass college students. On top of that you have the " my little darling can do no wrong " parents to deal with .
Prisons are full we are told . Should have given it as house arrest and then she could have got a job working from home and she could look after the child .Save the taxpayer some money Not going to leave the kid with dumbass teen to look after it
The bs by the justice system will never stop when it a grown woman messing around with minor boys the country does matter even in england the justice system is the same thing if it was a man who had done this with a 15year old girl that man was getting 20 to 25 years in jail no double standards all over the world
What makes her so dangerous is that she fails to accept any responsibility for her offending by further victimising the boys, forcing them to endure a trial and with her denials and her inability to recognise the inapproriateness of her entire relationship with them, instead focussing on trying to cast doubt on whether boy B had just turned 16 when they first physically had sexual contact. I also feel sorry for the boys fanilies, I can't imagine having to witness my son having to testify against his abuser, the impact that would've had of them too will have been horrendous and I'm sure will have raised so many complex emotions for them too. Maybe I'm an awful human being but I don't have any sympathy for her as a mother. Part of a parents job is to safeguard and protect, she clearly isn't able to. If she were a father, nobody would have sympathy, Great coverage as always. More current cases please Em!
What an absolute cope Emma. I'm shocked you even went there. Generations ago people got together at 13, 14 etc and it didn't give them a sexual desire to be with 13 year olds when they were 30. I, myself got with my first boyfriend at secondary school when I was 15. We broke up when I'd just turned 26. I didn't then go off noncing after 15 year old CHILDREN. The absolute green lights and excuses we give women in these situations is mind blowing
I enjoyed this video, Emma, and I concur that this is a child abuse case. I'm a mother and I cannot imagine how angry and outraged I would be if this happened to my son. Both boys are very definitely psychologically damaged, and there is no excuse for it. This woman deserves her prison sentence.
Jails full in the UK we are told . Should have given her house arrest so she could get a job working from home and take care of the child . Doubt very much she is a danger to anybody and highly unlikely to do this again
I’m sick to death of people like her who use their power, influence, authority and/or platform to manipulate teenagers. It’s also disgusting that adults think it’s ok and these teens must absolutely love the attention and should be flattered.
Emma❤❤ is the only creator that I immediately hit LIKE before I’ve even watched the video! The best in my opinion! Watched every single video and always look forward to a Wednesday and Sunday at 7pm! Love a bonus video Emma! Thank you for all your hard work highlighting these cases! Absolutely stomach turning to think of how those boys must feel now and that poor baby, just really crazy that she thought she could get away with this undetected! And why she would even want to?!? Bizarre and disgusting 😰
As a Social Worker, all you have said is so true Emma. My husband just turned and said 'if that was a man, no way would he get contact with the baby (especially before his sentence). And he's right to a certain extent. However there are 2 things relevant to before she is sentenced- 1) Her baby has been being fed and cared for by her Mother thus far and so taking that away, for bubba's sake is a measured consideration and 2) just like with any child sex offender, the risk needs analysing- would she sexually abuse her baby? Unlikely. Is it acceptable for Mum and baby to be in a Mum and baby unit in prison? Only likely if Mum doesn't get a hefty sentence, which I think she will. Sad all round really. Hopefully the young man whom she abused and fathered a child with, heals and enjoys his daughter in the end even if it's years down the line, for the other young man, I hope he too has support, counselling and peace and a girlfriend his own age whenever he is ready
The boy is the father ofthe child .I hope HIS family steps up and offers to have he child. He is as entitled as Her family to look after the poor child, and see him/her when he wants..She however, deserves Nothing. Get to jail..
Thank you for covering this. A predator is a predator no matter how they may look. I really hope those boys get all the help they need to heal. I can’t imagine how boy B is feeling knowing he has a daughter. She deserves jail time for a very long time
It annoyed me that she turned up for trial with a baby bonnet tucked in her waistband, but I'm hopeful the jury will see through that, and it will work against her.
Thank you very much !!! From Canada 🇨🇦… I love your idea of being more current and willing to discuss the hard ones. Thank you again for and very informative video ♥️
My mother is a pedophile, and I’m the product of pedophilia. And has taken me my entire life to really mentally process that. Unfortunately, she was never prosecuted for it, called out for it, etc.. My biological father‘s family seems to be very toxic and itself and they allowed the abuse to continue. He was only 14 and she was well into her 30s… this woman is a lot like my mother. My mother is a narcissist, insecure, controlling, demanding abusive. Her ex was probably right and what he said about her described my biological mother to a T. And it’s crazy because my mother was also in a long-term relationship from the time that she was a teenager before she groomed my biological father. It lasted about a decade as well, and there were children from that relationship that were close to the age of my biological father. My mother had a very warped perspective on what love is.
@@Stopthisrightnow560 unfortunately my biological father died when he was only 21 so I guess in some light he did get away from her. By the time of his death, she had completely isolated him from his family. They weren’t allowed to come around while he was dying, etc., proving that he was merely a possession to her. I got away, though I went no contact about a decade ago, and it was the best decision I ever made.
@@FallenAngelsNursery Oh, that's so sad. He definitely got away. I can imagine he's up there somewhere having a beer with some other friends of his, relaxing in the sunshine, telling everyone, "That's my kid down there. I made that." 🥰 I'm so proud of you. 🩷 I hope all good things come to you.
@@FallenAngelsNurseryyou sound like an incredible person, thank you for sharing your story. The other person's right, I've got no doubt how proud your dad must be. Best wishes ❤️
Love this style. We need more of these defo. I live in wales 🏴 & have boycotted the news so far this year.. so I have no idea this was going on. 😮 Really appreciate you ❤ xx
This was a really difficult one to listen to. I just wanna thank Emma for doing such an amazing job on the psychology behind the actions and helping people to understand the psychology of predators and that not everybody has to be or conform to a stereotype. This is why I love Emma‘s videos. I love the depth of the psychology in them even though sometimes the stories are really hard to listen to, I agreed with every point and she really opened my eyes to the background of how somebody who comes from a stable home life and has a stable history can commit a criminal act. I feel so sad for all the victims in this story but especially the 2 boys and the baby.
My son was groomed by his female teacher. He was 15, she was 24. The betrayal of trust is still indescribable. She was eventually jailed for having sex with someone under 16, but the damage done cannot be fully described. My son and our family unit is still trying to heal. Never underestimate the pain this type of crime causes.
That's horrific. Hope your healing continues, with things like this, it ripples and impacts not just the victim but the families as well. In usual cases it's already an abuse of power, but to be a teacher, it's even more amplified (all are just as bad, not trying to compare here). Wishing you all the best.
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😢I'm sorry you all went through this
This type of betrayal in the people trusted to nurture learning is horrific. I sincerely hope you are able to heal with your child x
Did that take place in Michigan?
As a teacher (female ) for twenty years , this makes me physically ill. Its such a betrayal of those you have to protect , we are trained to look out for all kinds of abuse . In most cases we are the front line even before social services .Its a complete reversal of everything a teacher should be.
Sorry im a little triggered here !
I too was a teacher, and it is triggering. When the vast majority of us spend our careers giving so much beyond the requirements of the job, to hear of this sort of behaviour is shocking, frustrating and heartbreaking! We already get a terrible press, without people like her dragging the profession even further down. Very well said!
I cannot , in any scenario or point in life, imagine a child being sexualized to me. I am so disgusted that a woman especially, would look at a child sexually. Yes, men do, i get its a double standard butva woman to me is the protector
President Macron nobody says anything about that relationship. He met her his teacher now wife when he was 14 she was 38 & publicly dated at 16 . I don’t see what the difference is it might be bc he’s a president.
@Carolinel673 France's age of consent is way younger than US. And well, it's France 🇫🇷.
@@shawnnewell4541 Teacher & pupil & age of consent in France 🇫🇷 is 15 . Emma was taking about grooming surely a 38 yr old woman/ teacher is wrong as well yet she is greeted the world over .
When this story broke online the comments defending her made me feel sick- the type of comments like “where were these teachers when I was a boy?” And how it’s a teens dream.. they wouldn’t say this if it was a male teacher! Paedophilia is not ok whatever the gender
There's some in here too 🤮
Yeah it's sickening isn't it? What kind of ignorant blockhead would make such a stupid comment?
Those comments are disgusting! And really p*ss me off! 😢😡
I saw them! It's disgusting.
Just read a few in this comment section. These people are seriously weird.
It is an unforgivable betrayal. It puts the entire profession into disrepute. And parents need to wise up. It was completely inappropriate for her to have so much access to someone else's child.
It’s not a new thing, there was at least 4 girls I can remember having ‘love affairs’ with male teachers when I was at school in the 70s nothing was done about it, one actually married the dirty perv when he got divorced and she left school, she posts on the school Facebook page and I’m so tempted to say something, but he’s dead now. She was a child, but a marriage with kids was destroyed…all sorts of wrong!
I met my husband when we were 14. Now 34 years later we are old and boring & at no point during my adult life have I ever looked at a child, teenagers or young adult and found them the least bit attractive. My 23yr old son has many friends and although they are all at the gym daily & 6” grown men they still all look like kids to me.
To think that a teacher would put my son through something like this is honestly disgusting!
That's just it. I get random shorts coming up on my feed at times and sometimes the girls look like they're 12 years old! Logically they could definitely be 16+ years old, but my head is just like, "CHILD."
She probably has a personality disorder
Exactly. I have a nephew who is 30 years old, I'm 39. And him and his friends are all grown up now, families of their own etc. I could never look at these lads, even as grown men and think it was appropriate to be involved with them in an intimate way because I've known them since they were kids. I was a kid too for some of their lives, but eww, they're still the kids that hung out with my nephew to me. It's just so gross.
I'm 32. I even see people who are legal and can drink etc (uk) look like babies..
I completely agree , if this had been a male teacher having a sexual relationship with a 15 year old female, there would be NO room for any explanation. It’s ridiculous. I’m the mom of a now 21 year old young man. I can’t imagine how upset the boys parents must have been when they found out what was happening. I’m so thankful she was caught and prosecuted. I hope the boys get the help they need to heal.
Great work , Emma.
Thank you for the bonus video! Im glad that you're bringing awareness to a sadly common crime that isn't spoken about nearly enough
If this was a male teacher and a female student, it would be straight to jail, do not pass go. I do not understand how, when the gender roles are reversed, the gravity of the crime is downplayed. Disgusting.
Thank you emma for expressing how wrong this is, and I’m so glad the prosecution did the right thing by these boys. I hope they recover x
I'm convinced the reason we're hearing more about female sex abusers is because it's been incredibly underreported in the past and perhaps victims are feeling more supported to report it now.
We've still got a lot of work to do on shaming victims but I hope we're headed toward progress.
Oh, absolutely.
Our generation has absolutely changed the conversation regarding sexual abuse, and I'm so proud of everyone who can reach out and speak about it.
Even if you still can't, it takes a lot of strength to carry that with you everyday.
I hope you're right. While I hope to never hear another story of abuse again I wish it meaning I wish it just never happens, but not because somebody is too scared to speak out!
Mary Kay LeTourneau in my home state of Washington was the first female in my state, if not the USA, who brought the subject of female pedophiles up. Ever since then there have been increasing numbers of females being prosecuted as pedophiles.
its becoming more acepted that men/boys can be victims to women
Once you're someone's teacher, or any person with authority over someone, that person is untouchable! It's a total abuse of power! This is a repeat of Mary Kay Lataurno.
Maybe one day she will marry him.
Married or not in the future, she's still a paedophile.
Urgh her poor husband was living in cloud cuckoo land for so long until he finally might have seen the relately.
I can’t believe she married the man she abused 🥴
Horrific
Thank you Emma. I'm a teacher and just despair at the number of times we read about teachers overstepping safeguarding boundaries and grooming students. This particular case was shocking.
The very same thing happened here in Italy a few years ago. The groomed boy was only 14 years old and the adult was 35 😱 The student was so traumatised that he didn't say anything to his parents for a long time. He was even forced to meet his baby in several occasions, because that crazy abusive woman (and pedophile) was convinced she was in love and wanted to live with him. How SICK and OUTRAGEOUS is it?!? She already had a kid with her husband, who was told the baby was his. He's now actually raising that innocent baby boy as if he was his child and his ex wife is obviously in prison. The victim's life is forever ruined on many levels though, he knows he is a father and no psychological therapy can erase that awareness... Many lives were ruined. Very shocking and sad stories.
Thank you for your extra video, Emma ❤
Great coverage of this topic. Best I’ve seen by far. Most channels barely go in to detail beyond “pretty female teacher” and whether her partner stays with her. Never talks about the impact on the victims or the culture especially of older men when they hear stories like this making comments like “ wish I was this lucky, what are they complaining about” when if it was their daughter with a male authority figure, it would be completely different
She's sick in the head. As a woman in her 30s and also as the mother of a son this whole thing disgusts me. How you can look at a teen boy and think of him in an inappropriate way is beyond me. And as a parent of a son, if someone were to do this to my child I would want her put away for a very long time. It's a pity they're often more lenient on women in these scenarios. If you ask me a predator is a predator.
A predator is a predator regardless of gender, you are absolutely correct! It’s more shocking when it’s a woman as we are nurturers and in more positions of care where children are concerned but in no way should that affect punishment. Women should get as much as a man would get. I hope victims are feeling like they can speak out more because I’m sure it’s very underreported as is male victims of female domestic violence and rape etc 😢
@@jesclifford88 exactly! That's why it's so difficult to comprehend, our natural instinct is to protect and nurture so to see this just gives me the ick. Unfortunately a lot of young men will be afraid to speak out because even people they know will say silly things like "where was that teacher when I was in school" and almost consider the young lad lucky. The way I see it is that some grown adult has stolen the experience of first time intimacy from them, he should have never have been put in that situation by an adult who is supposed to care. I just think she's stolen that experience from him and as he gets older he will have regrets about that and possibly even blame himself but the responsibility is not his, it's all on her and there should be no leniency just because she happens to be a woman. She's disgusting.
I agree she was wrong and it was disgusting 🤢. But, I’m not sure she can be called a predator. She obviously has issues she’s tried to have relationships with these boys it’s very odd. Does she have previous history of this? She’s ruined her own life. It is different with women I think because most women don’t have sex on the mind all the time nor do they let thoughts take over their lives like some men do. She’s a silly woman and deserves prison, but predator I don’t think so.
I was SO BORED scrolling looking for something to keep me occupied and boom! Here you are! 🎉 Thank you, em!
Same ❤smashing surprise x
Same haha and I thought it was Sunday!!!
Same!!! Well said! 😊
HECK YES!!! ITS EMMA! I FEEL LIKE I WON THE LOTTERY, I WAS EVEN ON THE VERGE OF BEING KINDA DEPRESSED WITH EVERYTHING AND SEEING EMMA PERKED ME UP A BIT....SO THANK U EMMA! LOTS AND LOTS OF LOVE FROM THE USA😅
Sameeee iv never needed a video to pop up more. I was so bored 😂
Something similar is currently happening in small town Alberta, Canada. A woman, that a few of my friends went to school with, is currently being investigated for crimes against boys on the local junior hockey team that she had worked with in some capacity - thankfully she didn't end up pregnant by these boys. I haven't seen any updates about it, though I haven't looked. But it goes to show it can be literally anyone. Regardless of how they look.
I’m following this one!!!! Truly awful x
@@EmmaKennyTVI really like you Emma you’re my best friend ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@@EmmaKennyTVyou’re very pretty
Boys too often do not get the same protection from predators. I’m always disgusted by the replies like “he’s not a victim.” Or “wish I had a teacher like that.” Or “it’s not the same thing when it’s a boy.” It’s the same! A child cannot consent. FULL STOP 🛑 It is a violation of that CHILD. I have sons and demand the same safety as I would if we had girls.
At 15/16 i had a brain and knew hoe to use it . Was more than capable of saying no and not get involved in something i did not want to . Youth today seem unable or are unwilling to do that
It happened to my best friend in high school back in 2018 and we still laugh about it today😂. She was gorgeous and my friend just WON 🥇
Lost virginity to an older lady at 15 about a month before reaching the age of consent and can guarantee 100% i consented . Left school at Easter and working for a living and this was at a Christmas party held in the office i worked in . The only child i feel sorry for in this is the one she gave birth to as it will grow up with two dumbass's for parents unless it is lucky to be adopted
@@johnbarlow4572 you might to think you’re a victim but you are. I love someone who didn’t emerge as happily as you did.
@GenXfrom75 Instead of seeking an external and official body to protect boys from such Teachers why not just develop the ability to speak to your boys and run this exact scenario past them? Boys at 15 are right on the edge of consent and unless told they will possibly make sexualised comments to an attractive teacher (as happened in this case). She was rightly punished but at the same time we molly coddle young men and seem to have brought up a generation of imbeciles. This woman was obviously very juvenile in her thinking herself and absurdly naive. I mean, what woman in a similar situation would try and keep a young boy around by way of a surprise pregnancy announcement. Yes this is predatory behaviour but we live in a society which promotes promiscuity and deviant serial behaviour; that women can behave like men and think with their genitals. Parents need to take a greater degree of responsibility for their children's upbringing and maybe this cycle of teachers grooming children will be lessened.
Secondary school teacher here... Just no. I cannot wrap my head around this one.
I remember a teacher at my school that slept with several of the boys in my year, (year 10,11) it was well known and at the time none of us thought of it as abuse, we knew she shouldn’t be doing it and would lose her job and didn’t want that to happen because she was coo, she smoked weed and ‘treated us like adults’, Looking back at it with adult eyes it’s so shocking to remember.
Yeah same. When I think of those times I now think with shock and horror!!!!! Teenagers have the body of an adult but the life experience of a toddler.....
Thank you Emma. This is a conversation that NEEDS to happen in society. ‘Appearance’ comes up time and time and again - it’s happens in both genders and it’s irrelevant. No one has it stamped on their forehead, a predator is a predator. It’s never a question of “why would they when they could get anyone?” it’s really quite simple, they want the control and the forbidden.
I agree with you fully xx
There is NO excuse for an adult doing this sort of thing! NONE!
What was the crime committed???
The fact she even tried to put up that defence shows she has zero remorse or insight into the damage she has caused to these two children.
A bunch of dumbass's and the one i feel sorry for is the child having these two for parents. Hopefully put up for adoption
One 100% crossed the line of no return, how dare she use her position to sexually exploit children, in this way .
What the hell is wrong with society ? .
Did cross the line but i doubt i would have turned down her advances at that age but would have had the sense to use protection
Joynes is an appalling example of a human being in every way - those boys were so brave to tell the school and this gets me every time that predators have no idea the distress they cause by their actions. Why doesn’t she do the honourable thing, admit to the criminal offence and apologise that she has committed the most heinous crime and disgraced herself. Those poor boys being put through such an ordeal, she has no idea the damage she has caused to them and their families - she is an out and out predator and she deserves to go to prison
I was a secondary school teacher for ten years and this case has made me feel so sick. As a teacher your instinct is to protect those in your care. As a teacher you realise how vulnerable all kids can be and you are in a privileged position to keep them safe and ensure they can go into the world educated, safe and happy.
I am in my 50's now but when I was in my teens my history teacher who was about 23 years old used to flirt & wear inappropriate clothing for a teacher. She got a buzz out of the appx 14 year old boys liking her. All us girl students at the time would talk about her flirty behaviour to the boys & the fact it made us feel uncomfortable. It was like she was teasing them. Looking back now after watching this case it should have been red flagged to someone in higher authority.
I think the most important perspective you gave is that those boys were in no position to consent. It's easy to understand that babies can't consent, less easy to understand that 15 year old boys can't. But it's STILL TRUE they were in no position to consent.
one of the guys who i went to school with, ended up being a teacher at the school we went to and was done for this with a year 10 girl at the skwl when my lil sister was their in 6th form.. my first question to her was he didn't try anything with you did he/...
@user-xh8le3cp4l that would be terrible! I really hope your sister was safe. (And how in the heck can anyone see a 10yr old that way?!?)
@@Cello-Pamdoesn’t make it any better, but year ten not a ten year old x
@@Cello-Pam She didn't say a 10 yr old. She said a year 10 girl.
@@emilyowen9716 thanks. Can you tell me what a year 10 girl means?
Emma you seem so kind and loving. Hoping the best for you and your family. Thanks for being so compassionate and sharing these peoples' stories❤
When I was 16 and started college I had a weekend job in a shop in Rochdale, I managed to arrange to go for a drink after work with this guy who I liked who was 21. So we did, and he happily bought me a couple of vodka and cokes and we were talking about music, films and what I would consider normal stuff. It was actually in Riley's Snooker Bar which used to be at the bottom of Drake Street where he was a member. He then put two and two together and figured out that I was only 16, barely out of school and possibly quite immature for my age. I'm 38 now and I can still remember how uncomfortable he looked sitting there knowing he had bought me alcohol and then just got me a plain lemonade and cut the 'date' short, walked to the taxi rank outside Wheatherspoons, made sure I had enough money to get home and saw me off safely. He didn't fall out with me as we still had to work together and at the time I was gutted that I didn't get to go out with him again. Looking back now as an adult I respect him for that, respect him for not buying me more alcoholic drinks to try and get me pissed and for not thinking ahh fuck it, she's well up for it anyway so why not? I look back and think what a true gent, stopping the drinks and making sure I was on my way home safely. Could have easily gone the other way and left me feeling used and exploited. Although I was 16 and could legally consent he may have initially assumed I was 18 but upon finding out i was 16 got the ick.
Love your vids and had hoped you would make a video of this vile woman xx
How do you do this???? with all you do for us on your youtube channel, bringing up a family, going on tour, designing merch etc. and now an extra case. I wish I had your energy!!! So grateful for the time you spend on your followers. Much love 🙏❤
Yup, she's a working mum.
What a fantastic surprise to see this! As a teacher myself it was uncomfortable watching this but as usual Emma, you delivered the story eloquently and in a non sensational way. Lots of love 💕
I have a friend whose neighbors daughter is in prison for this exact thing in North Carolina.
Great idea to cover this, please keep covering these newer cases aswell. I hope those boys can heal and have the lives they deserve 🖤
Bravo Emma, for putting this content on your true crime channel. This is a true, real crime that will affect these young boys for the rest of their lives. I have been a maternity nurse for 20 years so I have seen all sorts of situations in the case room. It is truly heartbreaking how many predators are out there. I also have a physically and mentally disabled 12yo angel of a daughter and I am constantly worried something will happen to her as she can’t walk or help herself in the bathroom etc. She is totally dependent on others to help her and she is so easily trusting despite the teaching I do with her.
I appreciate you bringing more awareness of other areas of true crime that don’t include murder, although Rebecca has savagely permanently taken a part of them that they will never be able to get back.
I understand what you're saying because I was just wondering myself how the maternity staff handled her labour and whether she got to hold her baby after birth. Also, was the young man who is the biological father of this child, at the hospital, and what on earth do he and his family think about him being a biological father as a teen? I'm in Australia, and over 34 years ago, I was training as a childbirth educator, and I had to watch a certain number of births and support the mothers giving birth. I was 6 months pregnant with my 4th child, and I had spent all day with this mother, and I was exhausted. But before I left for the day, I heard one of the midwives talking about a 12 year old who had come in in labour. Apparently in her culture, and I don't know what culture that was, it isn't unusual for very young girls to come in pregnant to a relative, so these midwives had a minefield to walk around with that case. I've often thought about her over the years and wondered what happened to her and her baby. Hopefully, her child wasn't subjected to the same treatment as her mother if the child had been a girl!
I like both old and new coverage. Even if we've heard a story told many times before, through many other narrators, you add a flare to it. You bring it to life.
Been following this case myself. She’s a monster. Thank you for covering this Em 🙌
What a legend, Emma! I appreciate when you release surprise content for us! It’s like a little treat, love it 🌸❤️ As a teacher, I really appreciate you covering this case. I actually teared up when you described that nurturing feeling we get when working with young people. Absolutely 👍 x
Im so glad you made this video. I see this casd on tiktok and honestly the comments are shocking things like 'why did he tell' 'where was she when i was at school' 'wish it was me'. Abuse is abuse no matter whos doing it and i think sometimes those comments are the reason some men dont come forward
I'm so exhausted after doing so much housework today. To see an extra video from Emma is great. I can now sit back and enjoy.
We just had a male teacher get in trouble for writing love letters showing favoritism to some girl students in his class. The amazing thing is that a boy went to the authorities. They believed him that was so awesome that they did. Proud of him for stepping up.
Yeah but the girls aren't gonna want him. His social life is cooked.
@@rydz656i doubt his social life is the main worry of his life atm, he’s probably dealing with being groomed more than girls not wanting to date him. i really don’t think he’s going to be wanting to jump into a relationship straight after this.
@@rydz656Why do you assume that the girls liked the love letters rather than finding it creepy?
There will be plenty of the students who can correctly recognize the sensible and brave act of the boy to report the pedophilic teacher.
Plus even if the girls did shun him, it will only be for a couple of years, he can move school if it gets really bad and he can feel relieved and proud that he did the morally right thing. So the pros outweigh the cons.
In trouble? Jail?
@@NotAnotherKuromithe point was a teacher was grooming children. Why are you diverting from the issue? And making strange assumptions??
This was a really refreshing change from what was already great content. I definitely like to hear about current cases and new developments.
Whilst on bail she began sleeping with another young boy and even feel pregnant, showing she clearly does not care and is disgustingly unhinged yet only got 6 years.
Very important that we understand the dangers of giving a pass to the good looking offenders… beautiful or ugly, a predator is a predator..
Thanks Emma.. you are amazing at explaining, analysing and giving professional insight into these cases. My youngest is 16 and I absolutely agree with you that he and his peers are young, vulnerable people who still need nurturing regardless of looks and personality. Thank you for getting this across. You are helping to protect our children and punish those who do the harm. Yes please to more of these videos 👍🏽
Thankyou Em for being you and the hard work you consistently do 🌷💛😎 xx
Emma just to tell you how much I enjoy your take on the cases but also the way you use the English language, the fluidity, complexity, variety is a joy for my ears to hear you narrating thanks!!
Your soliloquy as to how you want every young person to recognise their beauty was beautiful beyond words. Thank you Emma.
I developed body dysmorphia at 10, and I can't blame teen magazines for that, as it was 1962. If we're unlucky enough to have parents who devalue us because they're screw-ups, it's so easy to hate our physical and internal selves. Its so easy to get derailed.
I fully agree! ❤ And I wish someone said those things to me when I was a teenager
Especially as literal children, then when it’s a primary caregiver your Sense of Self or Self love can so easily be so destroyed before we even know what it is and some of us can never get it back no matter how hard we try 😓
Yeah, I really wish I would have had adults in my life when I was a teen that gave me encouragement and made me feel valued and that I was smart and could be successful in my life. Thanks for that Emma
@@brianasbury8315 yep, that would've have helped us so very much..
Thank you. The victimisation in the trial was disgusting and so glad you talked about the need to recognise that young men are victims uust as young women are
Teacher cases are always awful but there is just something so sinister about knowing the training around safe guarding she will have learnt - a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Just awful.
This was exactly what I wanted. I literally replied to your question the other day suggesting this case and youve listened to it 😀 thankyou xx
Wow how lucky are we. Thank u Emma for the extra content. 💜
As someone who works in a school with pupils who have experienced this or are at extreme risk of all levels of grooming this case absolutely breaks my heart those two poor boys to have their lives turned upside down and to be taken advantage of to such a level. The fact one is now a father is even more heartbreaking as it isn’t the child’s fault but ultimately is a constant reminder to him of what happened to him.
I was just fixing to workout and looking for something to listen to, perfect timing! Thank you!! 🎉
You're the first professional I've heard address that victims can feel over there enjoyment of their interactions with the perpetrator. The enjoyment may not last long, but it can often be used against them by the perp. It's a very confusing feeling and it's often ignored.
Emma of COURSE we love this content! We would lap up anything you put out but I do really like the 'of the moment' discussions as well as solved cases. Love the less talked about ones and the over exposed ones as long as its from your perspective, cos we love you! (in a non creepy way)
The schools don’t do anything.. two schools in my area failed two students, the first was a Girl that told a counselor that she had been raped but it had been a couple of years since it happened and another girl who said it happened to her recently by the same boy and the counselor told them they should press charges.. meanwhile the male student got to stay in school and other girls bullied the girls so bad that one dropped out.
The second is a middle school boy who was molested on the bus by a female student, he told his Mom and the school isn’t doing anything, the girl is threatening and bullying this boy and nothing gets done 😢
You do spoil us thanks lovely 🥰 I read about this case but it’s nice to have the full story.
Thank you for covering this so completely!
I've read articles and seen videos on child abusing teachers here in the US, but the coverage doesn't go any further than enumerating the criminal behavior,
and/or making some sort of 'freak show' out of the cases.
Your excellent tutorial on a predatory teacher (especially a woman) makes all of the broken boundaries and blatant eschewing of adult responsibilities the main focus and crystal clear!
Again thanks for the extra video and subject!!💖 💖 💖 💖 ☕️ ☕️ ☕️ ☕️ ☕️ ☕️
I was a teacher (female) and there were times when boys would give me their contact details etc., but as soon as this appears, it is like an immediate warning. As an experienced teacher, you just KNOW that to step over this line is very wrong. It is a decision you take as a trusted professional and it stops there.
bravo emma, the message at the end was everything. 👏
I came across you around a month or so ago and just have to say, I really appreciate the amount of research and work you put in to every case you cover. I studied psychology at uni but didn’t end up doing anything with it and I love the passion you have. I’m doing my best to get through all your content and also hope to come see you on your tour!
Whoop! Thank you so much Emma ..this has made my Friday night! 🎉
You clearly have common sense with a knowledgeable mindset. I couldn't have worded your opinion to this case any better. It's strange how the looks of someone or the difference of the predator being man or women can change the way others view these kinds of situations. Thank you
At 15/16 i would not have turned down her advances but would like to think i would not have taken advantage of the situation if i knew of her problems . Seems not to be the case these days
I agree. A boy at that age is 9 times out of 10 going to be all for it. Full of raging hormones. She is clearly the predator and I believe she knew exactly what she was doing.
Weeeeeeeeee that’s my Friday night sorted. Thanks Emma 😊
Thank you for your education and insight on this, its very important young people know the differences and recognise abuse....brilliant...I'm so sorry for all children that have suffered these awful crimes 😢
At 15/16 i had a brain and knew how to use it . Was well aware if someone was bullshitting me . Maybe todays teens are just dumb full stop
Bonus video x Thanks Em x
Yes, please make more of these videos! I love that you are spreading awareness of these issues in an informed and sensitive way. As a primary school teacher who is currently doing a Masters of Social work to get into child safeguarding, I also care deeply about much of the content you post, and I admire the way you do it with professionalism, honesty, true care for the victims, and a little humour thrown in. This is my first time commenting on one of your videos, despite having watched probably a good 40 of them, haha. I am not usually a commenter on UA-cam (maybe I should change that to show support!). But honestly, you do a fantastic job of covering every single one of the cases you present. In my eyes, you are completely unique in the UA-cam true crime world. No one else covers crime with the level of expertise, meticulousness, and charisma, that you do. Bringing an awareness to these types of predators is so important, and I am so glad you are doing it. Sorry, not trying to crawl up your butt here, but you are doing an amazing job, and I am sure many of us would love to see more of these harrowing cases covered by you. It always makes a difference when the person covering them comes from an obvious place of extreme care, knowledge, and experience. Keep up the amazing work! - From a weird little Aussie who has followed your work since I first saw you on Britain's Darkest Taboos many years ago, and cannot keep comments to an appropriate length haha x
The sentence has been far too light for the degree of these offences. I’m sure a man would have received a heavier sentence !
Soooooo happy to have another surprise video to listen too whilst cleaning - I don’t know what to do on the in-between video cleans as I’ve gone back and watched every single one from the beginning 😂 thankyou! Looking forward to more recent case videos!
You've just made my washing up a lot more 😉 enjoyable, thank you muchly! 😊❤
My oldest son is 16. It does make me sick to think of an adult doing this either him. 🤢
If he is like me at 16 and has a brain and knows how to use it he will be fine . Knew when someone was bullshitting me and capable of saying no to something i did not want to get involved in . Would i have turned down her advances . Probably not.
Would i have turned down her advances knowing her mental state . Would like to think so .
A surprise bonus!
Aside from that I hope people keep aware that women can also be abusers. Culturally we still need to discuss this more. Incidents may be less with women but they certainly can be harmful. There are so many subtleties of what it can be like for the boys, cultural "endorsements" of what happens to boys, and our understanding of their body reactions that are going to happen within certain stimuli that can cause further confusion for the victim.
No excuses for any woman stepping beyond boundaries, and even worse when that woman is in a position of authority, power and control such as a teacher, etc.
A child is a child and our job is to nurture and protect them.
As a former educator of younger kids, this makes me sick. Truth be told I didn’t end up teaching high school kids because of my looking younger and fear of dealing with students thinking im younger or ANYTHING. I was just so scared of the entire issue all together that didnt teach high school. Ive had kids ask me if im in high school still and parents judge the moment they meet me. So there are so many aspects to this horrible topic but it is up to THE ADULT to know better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why do people want to be teachers? You are dealing with snotty knows kids . smart ass know it all teens , dumbass college students. On top of that you have the " my little darling can do no wrong " parents to deal with .
@@johnbarlow4572... and you have the "too hot to be a teacher" teachers. 🥵
@@andreverboon5666 Hated every one of the b------s hot or otherwise
@@andreverboon5666 Hated every one of he b------s hot or otherwise
Anyone who wonders, she was sentenced to 6 and a half years in prison!
Prisons are full we are told . Should have given it as house arrest and then she could have got a job working from home and she could look after the child .Save the taxpayer some money Not going to leave the kid with dumbass teen to look after it
The bs by the justice system will never stop when it a grown woman messing around with minor boys the country does matter even in england the justice system is the same thing if it was a man who had done this with a 15year old girl that man was getting 20 to 25 years in jail no double standards all over the world
What makes her so dangerous is that she fails to accept any responsibility for her offending by further victimising the boys, forcing them to endure a trial and with her denials and her inability to recognise the inapproriateness of her entire relationship with them, instead focussing on trying to cast doubt on whether boy B had just turned 16 when they first physically had sexual contact.
I also feel sorry for the boys fanilies, I can't imagine having to witness my son having to testify against his abuser, the impact that would've had of them too will have been horrendous and I'm sure will have raised so many complex emotions for them too.
Maybe I'm an awful human being but I don't have any sympathy for her as a mother. Part of a parents job is to safeguard and protect, she clearly isn't able to. If she were a father, nobody would have sympathy,
Great coverage as always. More current cases please Em!
Ooh you’re treating us, Emma! ❤
Dreadful sickening case and a great lesson in double standards. Thanks Emma xx
What an absolute cope Emma. I'm shocked you even went there.
Generations ago people got together at 13, 14 etc and it didn't give them a sexual desire to be with 13 year olds when they were 30.
I, myself got with my first boyfriend at secondary school when I was 15. We broke up when I'd just turned 26. I didn't then go off noncing after 15 year old CHILDREN.
The absolute green lights and excuses we give women in these situations is mind blowing
I enjoyed this video, Emma, and I concur that this is a child abuse case. I'm a mother and I cannot imagine how angry and outraged I would be if this happened to my son. Both boys are very definitely psychologically damaged, and there is no excuse for it. This woman deserves her prison sentence.
I think she only got 6 years for this crime...that is not enough i think...she will get out and still be a DANGER..
Jails full in the UK we are told . Should have given her house arrest so she could get a job working from home and take care of the child . Doubt very much she is a danger to anybody and highly unlikely to do this again
Emma! So eloquent as always. Very insightful. Thank you. 😍
I’m sick to death of people like her who use their power, influence, authority and/or platform to manipulate teenagers.
It’s also disgusting that adults think it’s ok and these teens must absolutely love the attention and should be flattered.
Emma❤❤ is the only creator that I immediately hit LIKE before I’ve even watched the video! The best in my opinion! Watched every single video and always look forward to a Wednesday and Sunday at 7pm! Love a bonus video Emma! Thank you for all your hard work highlighting these cases! Absolutely stomach turning to think of how those boys must feel now and that poor baby, just really crazy that she thought she could get away with this undetected! And why she would even want to?!? Bizarre and disgusting 😰
As a Social Worker, all you have said is so true Emma. My husband just turned and said 'if that was a man, no way would he get contact with the baby (especially before his sentence). And he's right to a certain extent. However there are 2 things relevant to before she is sentenced- 1) Her baby has been being fed and cared for by her Mother thus far and so taking that away, for bubba's sake is a measured consideration and 2) just like with any child sex offender, the risk needs analysing- would she sexually abuse her baby? Unlikely. Is it acceptable for Mum and baby to be in a Mum and baby unit in prison? Only likely if Mum doesn't get a hefty sentence, which I think she will. Sad all round really. Hopefully the young man whom she abused and fathered a child with, heals and enjoys his daughter in the end even if it's years down the line, for the other young man, I hope he too has support, counselling and peace and a girlfriend his own age whenever he is ready
I feel exactly the same as you. And thank you for the clear hard work you do to protect in your job x
The boy is the father ofthe child .I hope HIS family steps up and offers to have he child. He is as entitled as Her family to look after the poor child, and see him/her when he wants..She however, deserves Nothing. Get to jail..
Thank you for covering this. A predator is a predator no matter how they may look. I really hope those boys get all the help they need to heal. I can’t imagine how boy B is feeling knowing he has a daughter. She deserves jail time for a very long time
It annoyed me that she turned up for trial with a baby bonnet tucked in her waistband, but I'm hopeful the jury will see through that, and it will work against her.
Thank you very much !!! From Canada 🇨🇦… I love your idea of being more current and willing to discuss the hard ones. Thank you again for and very informative video ♥️
Unfortunately 6 years is pretty lenient and makes me wonder if this was a male would he have got 6 years??
5am and awake. Ugh.
So grateful to you giving me something interesting to watch. 🎉
Aussie? Lol
For some reason I'm awake batshit early too. 😅😅
My mother is a pedophile, and I’m the product of pedophilia. And has taken me my entire life to really mentally process that. Unfortunately, she was never prosecuted for it, called out for it, etc.. My biological father‘s family seems to be very toxic and itself and they allowed the abuse to continue. He was only 14 and she was well into her 30s… this woman is a lot like my mother. My mother is a narcissist, insecure, controlling, demanding abusive. Her ex was probably right and what he said about her described my biological mother to a T. And it’s crazy because my mother was also in a long-term relationship from the time that she was a teenager before she groomed my biological father. It lasted about a decade as well, and there were children from that relationship that were close to the age of my biological father. My mother had a very warped perspective on what love is.
Oh, gosh. That must be so tough.
I hope your dad managed to get away.
And I hope you can find some way to separate yourself from all of this. ❤
@@Stopthisrightnow560 unfortunately my biological father died when he was only 21 so I guess in some light he did get away from her. By the time of his death, she had completely isolated him from his family. They weren’t allowed to come around while he was dying, etc., proving that he was merely a possession to her. I got away, though I went no contact about a decade ago, and it was the best decision I ever made.
@@FallenAngelsNursery Oh, that's so sad.
He definitely got away. I can imagine he's up there somewhere having a beer with some other friends of his, relaxing in the sunshine, telling everyone, "That's my kid down there. I made that." 🥰
I'm so proud of you. 🩷
I hope all good things come to you.
@@Stopthisrightnow560thank you that truly means a lot to me. ❤
@@FallenAngelsNurseryyou sound like an incredible person, thank you for sharing your story. The other person's right, I've got no doubt how proud your dad must be. Best wishes ❤️
Love this style. We need more of these defo. I live in wales 🏴 & have boycotted the news so far this year.. so I have no idea this was going on. 😮 Really appreciate you ❤ xx
I have cramps and am basically stuck in bed so imagine how thrilled I was at this lovely surprise gift you’ve given us! Thanks, Em! ❤
Hope you feels better soon x
@@EmmaKennyTV thank you! ☺️
What she did was inexcusable!! Love this new idea of yours, so thank you. 🇬🇧
It’s look like the case of Mary Kay Letourneau
I was thinking exactly the same.😔
Now this just made my day seeing an extra episode ... thanks beautiful Emma .. and of course our majestic boy chase ❤
Thanks!
This was a really difficult one to listen to. I just wanna thank Emma for doing such an amazing job on the psychology behind the actions and helping people to understand the psychology of predators and that not everybody has to be or conform to a stereotype. This is why I love Emma‘s videos. I love the depth of the psychology in them even though sometimes the stories are really hard to listen to, I agreed with every point and she really opened my eyes to the background of how somebody who comes from a stable home life and has a stable history can commit a criminal act. I feel so sad for all the victims in this story but especially the 2 boys and the baby.
I feel more sorry for the baby after hearing this story
Thank you for this extra video, Em, I absolutely adore you!
Oooh I need that jumpsuit ❤