The will only get worse each season with additional vetting. Jeramy basically implied that a friend recruited him which also likely made it easier to getting him through the final casting process. Trevor apparently deleted his old accounts which seems like a red flag. Privating makes sense, but not deleting.
Not Jimmys biggest fan either but dont agree with your take at all. The reason why Jimmy doesnt want to talk about hooking up with a friend on TV is out of respect for the friend, since she was shown in a previous episode and she did not sign up for the world knowing. Its actually so disrespectful of Chelsea to bring up another womans buisness on tv when she had asked for it not to be.
It is more Jimmy's fault than Chelsea's. Her sharing that information was in response to Jimmy's misbehavior, not as punishment, but as a way for her to make sense of things, amidst a very chaotic series of events with someone who gaslit her the whole way through. For a couple who are focused on getting the most out of the limited time they have before making such a significant decision, Jimmy's female friends should have never come up as a focal point, and they would not have been if he acted in ways that didn't center them at all. I understand the concern for privacy, and it is Jimmy who owes his friend the respect of ensuring her privacy is protected, by keeping from behaviors that would even cause her to be talked about. This man was very manipulative and somehow Chelsea ended up looking ridiculous. I refuse to blame women when men are in the mix because there's always some way in which male inactions/weaponized incompetency is missed under patriarchy, and women get blamed instead and told they should have known better. No, Jimmy should have known better. It seems the world is forgetting that it's Jimmy's responsibility to protect his friend by being responsible to his fiancee. If Jimmy hadn't been in constant communication with the friend, going out to see her without Chelsea, and had actually focused on putting in effort to spend as much with Chelsea in the short time they had together, which is what it seems he sold her in the pods, the friend would not have become a topic of conversation.
@@meeeeepmooooopNah I disagree with that for two reasons: 1. Chelsea had already admitted on camera that she was still friends with an ex-boyfriend so she was being hypocritical getting upset over Jimmy’s friends. And 2. Now that we know Chelsea was drunk during that fight, she could have easily said something that could have led to unwanted attention on the friend and a possible lawsuit.
While he definitely has a conscious choice regardless.. studies have shown that yes infidelity is genetic (around 40% hereditary) and related to hormone levels
@@minichellecame here to comment this 😂 my friend studied pharmacy and told me this but I also saw lots of studies that show it’s also down to opportunity! Hence why when women started working cheating increased in women!
Im sorry but ADs mom saying that his parents relationship was successful because they stayed married so long is toxic. It's setting her up to believe that as long as they don't get divorced even if hes cheating it will be a successful marriage.
@@WilliamsPinch this ideology is why people end up being miserable their whole lives and accept abuse. Whether or not someone sees length as a metric of success doesn't make it any better for the person involved.
Chelsea is best friends with her ex so she’s a hypocrite. I think it was disrespectful of her to bring it up on camera if they discussed it off camera. Some things should stay just between the couple
I too thought the same until I realized Jimmy's behavior is what caused it to come up as a topic. If he acted differently and focused his time and attention Chelsea, not constantly texting and getting drinks with his friend without his fiancee, she would not have been talked about. He was also disrespectful to his friend by not making sure his behavior kept her from being a focus, knowing she wanted privacy. He should be held responsible for his behavior, not Chelsea being blamed for her reasonable reaction to it. Jimmy is the person who should have protected his friend by behaving better, to Chelsea, she's a stranger. Jimmy was a bad friend. Chelsea also didn't hang out and text her ex constantly while "at work" and ignoring Jimmy for most of the time filming was happening, neither did she leave Jimmy at home to go have drinks with her ex for one and a half hours.
@@meeeeepmooooopWell, talking in revenge does not make him guilty, but her. This showed that she can betray him whenever he does something she doesn’t’ agree with. That is one of the reasons to say “no” at the altar.
There's always going to be a difference between the edit, what we think happened, and the truth and we'll never know which. I can see Chelsea being a hypocrite, I can see Chelsea getting in her head after one bad night of drinking, and I can see Jimmy actually being worse than the edits he is getting. I don't feel comfortable judging her on just the edit, but I know that's part of the fun to others.
Seeing Chelsea’s anxious attachment narrative in full effect was really eye opening for me. I knew I had struggles with this, but seeing it from a third party perspective completely changed me. I’m really grateful they show cased that because it was so helpful to recognize my own insecurities and how to manage them moving forward. Throughout the scene, I was almost mentally coaching Chelsea out of that mindset- and I realized I can do the same for myself. Who knew LIB could be so insightful!
I think it’s interesting that everyone has turned on Chelsea. I feel like Jimmy regretted his choice as soon as he saw Chelsea at the physical reveal. You don’t say “she lied about her appearance” if you’re happy. So I think he’s staying with Chelsea to prove that he made the right choice, especially after Jess said he would choke. And I feel like Chelsea knows this, which is triggering all of her insecurities. He says all the right things, but his entire body language and even the way he says I love you feels forced and has no heart behind it.
He gaslit her the whole time, by omission. He didn't actively deny reality, which is what we're used to seeing as gaslighting, but he totally did not deliver on the life he promised her in the pods. He created an emotionally unsafe environment for someone who had shared so openly that she had been cheated on by an ex, with one of his best friends. His actions did not reassure her, they triggered her insecurities. I do think it's her responsibility to heal, but she was doing the best she could, and was was aware enough to talk about it as something she's working through, and in the pods after getting to know her so deeply, he promised he would take care of her, only to do the opposite, and at the same time, kept saying he was there for her. That would make most people in Chelsea's shoes crazy, and given how many women are missing how awful Jimmy is, Chelsea is not in the minority, at all.
Bro he said that because the producers obviously asked him about it. Like they don’t just talk straight from their mind in the interviews. They probably asked him something like „So do you think she looks like Megan fox haha?“ and that’s how he responded and he still said he liked her appearance in that same answer
I 100% agree with you. I think Chelsea needs to do A LOT of work on herself, but from the very start you could tell Jimmy wasn't attracted to her, thereby triggering her insecurities. His behaviour only proved to bring out the worst of said insecurities which started a vicious circle of her acting insane and him pretending to be the good buy. He had no intention in ever staying with her. His whole body language said so. He was only in it for a good edit in the end.
I think Natalie is spot on regarding Jimmy’s intentions. He’s likely seen the intense backlash Bartise, Cole, Shake, etc. got for their lack of sensitivity and tact when it comes to their relationships. While some deserved the backlash more than others, I don’t think Jimmy wants to risk it. Jimmy knows it will never work with Chelsea. He is waiting until the show is done to cut his losses - in the meantime, choosing his words carefully, patiently biding his time with Chelsea. Treating her respectfully and tolerating her nonsense until he feels safe to make his move and end the relationship with most viewers on his side.
ahhh and franscesca was on love is blind too, before perfect match. i knew her before love is blind on tiktok so when i saw her as gianina's mans.... mistress essentially i was shook lol
What bothers me about Clay when he refers to the qualities that AD has he talks about how she makes him feel about himself. He’s not necessarily qualities that AD has in herself
I think part of the issue with the cast “spoiling” it has to do with how much they try to drag out episode releases. Earlier seasons didn’t have over a month of time to deal with social media. I bet the cast are encouraged to engage because it keeps people watching.
Am I the only one who isn’t a fan of Jessica? She clearly went on the show for Clout, which is very sad and telling of her parenting. I have a daughter her daughters age and I can’t imagine telling her hey I’m going to go on a show and potentially bringing back a husband you have never met or been around. I cant imagine her father was ok with that? Unless of course she told him this it all got clout so don’t worry? A tiktok of hers came up on my feed and she has her daughter doing tiktoks now. Which is creepy with soo many followers she gained. Too many creeps in the internet and the videos of her daughter have so many saves.
Telling of her parenting? She’s a teen mom who seemingly had a dead end job. If this will give her a platform to better provide for her child, so be it. She doesn’t have an OnlyFans or a sugar daddy, so relax.
Yeah parents should be very leerly of over exposing their kids especially if they are famous parents. Imo she went on for clout and might have been looking for a connection to date after the show but maybe say no at the alter. Tbf though she is probably going to make a lot more money for her family household.
It’s hard to understand for sure. Being a mom, I can’t imagine developing a serious relationship like that. The thing that really got me was her crying over her daughter and then she said when she left, she took two days for herself without seeing her daughter. I just couldn’t understand that.
My belief is that Chelsea is a “mean drunk” with a victim mentality. She 100% emotionally manipulates Jimmy (and probably other partners) and that pattern leads her to further believe that she’s a victim. The lady needs AA and a good therapist!
I feel like she love bombs too before a fight. She never gives him a genuine compliments and words of affirmation. It’s hey I love you but etc. it’s very manipulative
People don't get drunk because they're running away from happy feelings of relaxation and being reassured and cared for by their fiancee, Chelsea was seriously struggling because Jimmy was such an inconsiderate fiancee to her. If my fiancee should be my best friend, imagining any friend of mine acting the way Jimmy acted just makes it so clear how awful he was, and it's being missed while Chelsea gets blamed. I get sad seeing takes like this because I 100% would have thought the same thing before learning what subtle gaslighting looks like. I now know that whenever a woman looks "crazy", there's probably some very mixed messages and inconsistencies she's experiencing, especially if she has such low self esteem like it seemed Chelsea does. Jimmy was the manipulator, what we see in Chelsea is a woman trying to make sense of so much confusion and gaslighting, it's so triggering to watch actually, because I have been Chelsea in the past, and yes from what we were shown, she needs healing. Seeing how many of us missed how awful Jimmy is tells me so many women would have reacted similarly if they were in her shoes. Women blaming other women benefits men and distracts us from realizing the role the man is playing in maintaining the chaos the woman is reacting to. All Jimmy had to do was show Chelsea through his actions, that he is 100% there for her. He didn't do that. He played on her insecurities by texting his friend he had hooked up with, all day, even drinks with her, without inviting Chelsea. A good friend would not act that selfishly, they would be considerate knowing their friend is struggling and working on being more secure in herself like Chelsea mentioned, and somehow men as fiancees and husbands aren't expected to treat us as well as our friends do. It's so sad.
@@shabby_shabz25thank you from the bottom of my heart for this comment. You’ve restored my faith that this comment section is not being successfully gaslighted by Chelsea.
There should be rules where you're not allowed to discuss appearance, ethnicity, etc in the pods. It defeats the whole purpose of the show. Also, Netflix producers need to do more thorough sesrches to find out if they are currently in relationships when applying for the show.
Maybe producers could even interview potential contestants' parents and ask them if they are in a relationship and ready for marriage. Hopefully, parents would tell the truth.
If I were Netflix producers I would have my employees watch this podcast to learn about what to and not to do next season, or what to put in a contract. Like the Venmo thing. You guys are great
Those serenade moments were so odd to me & it didn’t seem like love (on his end)- even though they tried to give him a good edit I wasn’t falling for it…
I guessed it before she made the serenade comment. During "After the altar", it became obvious what kind of person he is. I kinda liked him during the season, but something felt off. I couldn't stand him during "After the altar"! Probably one of the biggest shifts in opinions I have ever had with this show. Wow!
I finally feel vindicated knowing that sal is being exposed for being fake here but I wish this had been said earlier bc mallory got so much hate after the show. She had her own issues but I do think she was trying her hardest to make it work.
I agree with Natalie. I think the producers begged Jimmy to just pretend to tolerate Chelsea so they can film them at the alter. There is no way he can see himself putting up with he rollercoaster of insecurity for the rest of his life.
I think jimmy telling chelsea about the one night stand with his friend in private was to protect the friend, not jimmy which i feel like its fair bc they arent related to the show. chelsea bringing it up on camera was out of line & should have been done in private!! but ultimately, i do agree if ur fiancé is uncomfortable with the closeness of ur friendship knowing the history (even if they didnt have one night stand), you need to create boundaries which i dont think jimmy did.
I agree with you. However I get the impression that Chelsea pretends to be ok with things she actually isn't okay with. But then her dissatisfaction comes out at another point when arguing about something else. They were arguing about Jimmy going out for 1.5 hrs for a friend's birthday for the first time in 3 months and how this make him someone who 'likes to go out', when really her issue was a fear that he would be seeing a friend he had been intimate with. When he told her about the friend, she should have stated her boundaries and expectations there and then and then the ball would have been in his court (something like "thank you for telling me - I appreciate your honesty. However, I want you to know that the ongoing daily messages between the two of you now make me uncomfortable, knowing that you were previously intimate. This is not something I can will be able to move past, unless you draw a boundary with that friend. "). NOT trying to control him by making sure he never leaves her sight. It's suffocating
The level of handholding Chelsea is expected to do to teach Jimmy how to be considerate feels unfair. It's like men are not expected to even be good friends to their fiancees. A half decent friend even, who knows me on the level Jimmy got to know Chelsea in the pods, with how much he claims he's there for her, and wants to show he loves her, would not act in the ways he did that would trigger her insecurities to begin with. Not saying she isn't at fault, but seeing Jimmy get off the hook, and Chelsea made responsible for his lack of basic kindness is awful. He gaslit her intensely but very subtly, and what we see is her being very emotionally disregulated, which is the result of feeling unsafe. There was an alternate reality in which Jimmy was attuned and committed enough to her to create a more emotionally safe environment, and that's the one Chelsea was promised by Jimmy, and what she thought she would get when he chose her. Like she said, he was lying in the pods. He wasn't committed to her, and didn't treat her with care, he was very reckless with both Chelsea and his friend's privacy. He is the one at fault, more than any of those women who are caught in the drama triangle that is now absolving him of all responsibility.
@@deadams8905 yeah but i think at the time of the fight, it was his first time going out since in the pods and the vacation and he was out for an hour and a half. He said this to Chelsea and she didnt deny it so I do think at the time of the fight, he wasnt going out as much but maybe afterwards 🤷♀️ or maybe it was the editing lol
It’s weird Jess as a mum going on Perfect Match . I just knew from the beginning she was a Netflix plant. She is not even getting married but is getting so much attention
Even if Brittany & Kenneth did break up before they had to do it for the cameras, Brittany still had an emotional reaction & Kenneth still didn’t show any care and was eating and on his phone while she was in full tears. Also, Brittany said on the episode a couple times that he’s on his phone a lot
Totally agree with Deepti about Chelsea. I don't think Chelsea got a bad edit- you can not make a bad edit like this out of someone who is emotionally stable or emotionally mature. The fight with Jimmy made no sense- she was asking questions, then accused him of being with Jess when Jess wasn't even there- she was fishing. Then she did start spiraling, and she does this every episode and it is exhausting. There is ALWAYS something wrong, whatever Jimmy does is not good enough, whatever he says is not good enough. It seems like she has a drinking problem, and that mixed with being so insecure and she projects A LOT, they're never going to last. He tried to leave after she was backing him into a corner and then she was like "what?! i just told you to leave and now you're throwing the towel in?" like that's not what she just said she wanted. She is too much.
Chelsea he had a lot of reasons to be spiraling and "fishing". There was something wrong the whole time, Jimmy's actions were preying on her insecurities, and his words were claiming to love and be there for her. He was actively showing her he didn't care. Jimmy knew she was insecure, she admitted it to him and his friends, and said it's something she's working on. His actions created an environment that was emotionally unsafe for her, after getting to know her so deeply and promising her the opposite in the pods. He failed her, and looking back, she was right about him lying in the pods. She was trying to make sense of a situation that made no sense, words that weren't matching his actions. She wasn't drinking because she was feeling supported, loved, and protected, all of which Jimmy promised, she was drinking because she was stressed and confused by her gaslighting fiance. Jimmy was very intentional, he created the exact environment he knew would cause her to spiral, while acting like he didn't understand what she was complaining about, and she got progressively emotionally unstable.
I feel like it is a bit of both though.. Chelsea is very insecure and she does project a lot of her issues onto Jimmy, and she expects reassurance after insane accusations rather than just having an honest conversation with him. She is not emotionally in a place to be in a committed relationship. Understandable since she got cheated on in her previous relationship but she hasn’t healed enough rn. Equally though, Jimmy’s actions don’t align with his words. He has a lot of empty I love Yous which are kind of hard to believe when he’s so dead behind the eyes. He doesn’t really love Chelsea like he says he does and we see that when he chats to Jess and he says that she’s still his number 1 choice. He should just be honest with Chelsea atp because they’re just gonna have the same fight until one of them crack. they literally don’t even like each other anymore. Also felt bad for Chelsea that the one other guy that liked her unquestioningly was only on the show for clout 😭😭
I totally agree with you perspective. I just didn't focus on Chelsea as much because the rest of the viewing audience seems to only focus on Chelsea's issues and it feels so unbalanced/unfair. Jimmy's manipulation is so subtle, it's getting missed by so many female viewers, it's kind of scary bc that tells me that in the real world, his very abusive behavior would be acceptable to most women, which means most men are getting away with being awful to their female partners while getting called "good guys". It's so scary @@alekagheewala6973
@@meeeeepmooooopChelsea… your commentary is as tedious and exhausting as your gaslighting meltdowns. Give it up and don’t bring your toxicity to N&D’s smart and insightful podcast! 😅
I think Sarah Ann did owe Laura something. She’s hurting another woman as well and she should at-least owe her some respect and kindness because everyone at least deserves that but Jereamy (idk if that’s spelled right) is def at fault too! But Nat your takes were great!
It's not surprising that Sarah Ann doesn't respect other women. The fact that she's prepared to accept the kind of man who gets engaged to one woman whilst "leaving the door open" for another shows she has very little self-respect. Also, she's anti-chojce, so she clearly doesn't even respect other women's bodily autonomy.
What do people want Jeramey’s mom to do? Give him a time out or take away his phone? He’s a grown man, she’s done with that, she said what she said which was perfect, she didn’t justify his actions but called him out with that comment. People can be so ridiculous, he’s not a teenager even if he acts like one. Edit: English is my second language and my first sentence seemed iffy to me so I changed it to present tense. 😅
29:50 LITERALLY SAME. i had to rewind the chelsea & jimmy fight 3 times because i was watching while doing chores and i was like, oh i must have zoned out for a second and not paid attention cause i don’t get it. but NAH, it was just *that* illogical 💀
Jess connection was definitely Ariel, I saw an earlier comment that he was the other connection before the Viall files pod & he fits the description to a T lol
When Jimmy and Jess spoke I also saw the love there and I felt the same connection they felt in the pods which is very rare to see in this show. They loved each other intellectually and they understood each other’s emotions. I truly think that the pressure of not wanting to be a father immediately after getting married was what drove him away from picking her.
I agree with Natalies take on Jimmy! But, why is it ok for chelsea to be bestfriends with her ex who she slept with multiple times but Jimmy cant be with someone he slept with once? 😭
I get you...but Chelsea wasn't texting her ex all day while "at work" to ignore Jimmy, and then going to drinks with him without inviting Jimmy, during filming when they had limited time together, while knowing Jimmy has a history of girlfriends cheating on him with their best guy friend.
I'm seeing so many people say they get why Chelsea would be upset with Jimmy for still being friends with a woman he slept with in the past, but no one has brought up the hipocracy in Chelsea. I the last batch of episodes when she meets Jimmy's girl friends, she says "one of my best friends is my ex too, so it's fine." IS IT FINE, CHELSEA? We don't see Jimmy being upset about that! Honestly, if Chelsea acts this way in every relationship, I can't see any of her exes wanting anything to do with her anymore. I think she made it up as a manipulation tactic to lull him into a false sense of security. "I'm fine with this, I'm friends with my ex, too! ... I was lying, all my exes are glad to be rid of me and I'm not fine with this at all!" CHELSEA 👀
I hear what you're saying but Jimmy doesn't have to be upset about Chelsea being friends with an ex bf for it to be ok for Chelsea to have insecurities about Jimmy's friend. we all have different things that trigger bad feelings for us. The only way to move forward is for Jimmy to make a compromise to pull back from that friend or Chelsea break up with Jimmy because she's too insecure about the relationship Jimmy has with that woman.
Btw clay didn’t touch the thing AD set up for him because he wasn’t home he was away that night for work. It wasn’t like he walked past it and chose to ignore it lol
My theory is that Chelsea and Jimmy are getting the Chelsea and Kwame edit this season. We were all convinced that Kwame would say no but they swore that they never showed how close they really were.
37:11 so shake was right??? At the reunion when he talked about people putting on a show for extra screen time 😅 and they’re definitely talking about sal here
Sarah Ann is a mean girl & I got that energy right off the bat in the pods.I genuinely thought Jeramy was going to pick her bc he’s also full of sh*t. Talking about “I want a fireplace & we’re going to have mimosas on Christmas morning” like stfu. No guy says that. Sounded so scripted. They’re perfect for each other.
Trevor... Idk, he's worse than Shake. Worse than Bartisse... worse than that guy who pretended to cry. 😂😂 I couldn't watch him from these last few episodes without saying "fake, fake, fake"
@@TheSTribe22 It's hard to measure but it's personal. Shake has always shown himself to be the horrible guy he is... full of red flags, disrespectful, inconvenient, etc. As for Trevor, he brought a disgusting persona... everything he said, every word is a lie (even his muscles are fake, btw). I hate dealing with people like that, I prefer a horrible guy who says things, than a loving person who fakes absolutely everything. Sweet lies hurt so much more (for me)
Ladies, there’s something I don’t understand and since you have the insider view maybe you can clarify it for me. I heard/saw somewhere (very likely on TikTok since it’s my news source these days🤣) that if you engage in the pods, and you regret your choice, you must continue to the altar even if you and your partner are both sure of saying no. If not, you have a contract clause that force you to pay 50k $ to the producers/Netflix. So according to this, what was the case for Brittany and Keneth this season? Did they pay to Netflix or did they have to go to the altar and say no but wasn’t filmed? And I wonder, if this clause is not new, then what the couples who brook before the altar did on recent seasons (like JP and Taylor, Jackie and Marshall, Zack and Irina?). Was this clause active when you participated in the show? PS: I’m on the minute 20 when I wrote this. If you answer this later on the video I will erase my comment 😅
I agreed with pretty much everything you guys said except the part about Jimmy’s old fling with his friend. For the record, jimmy isn’t a saint either. But both Chelsea and Jimmy had a “mutual understanding” that they would not discuss his previous affairs with this specific person, which is why his friend agreed to be on camera. If Chelsea wasn’t okay with it in the first place, she needed to be a mature woman and tell her man that she wasn’t comfortable. This was a line that should have never been crossed by Chelsea and bc of this, she crossed a line and has zero respect for privacy. Also, jimmy was truthful about EVERYTHING. In most relationships, that’s all you can ask for and she is NOT ready to be in ANY relationship and I don’t understand why she’s in this show. She needs to learn to love and accept herself before joining a show where you need to be so secure that you’ll get married in 4 weeks. Period.
Yes!! Chelsea is a big gaslighter. People calling Jimmy a narcissist on social media have clearly never dealt with one. Chelsea knows what she's doing.
I think the reason jimmy told her off camera about the friend he slept with was so that she could express her concerns without them being put on the show due to the friend. I think she probably told him that she would be fine with him telling his future wife the truth, but she probably doesn’t want it blasted on Netflix so that everyone knows… Chelsea should have ended things after hearing that, instead of trying to work it out and pretend it was fine. I would have walked away after hearing that, but I wouldn’t have announced on tv that this woman had sex with him, she probably wanted to keep that private.
@@lenanayashkovaI think it was Sal because of the "serenading" clue. And how Deeps reacted to it made me think that she thought Natalie let the cat out of the bag with that. It's so disappointing!
@@blackberryvanilla0822 i must have npt been listening well because I totally missed the serenading comment. But I was pretty sure Kyle did make it to the altar and Sheina said no..?
I feel like it’s important to recognize for Amy and Johnny and the BC issue that they live in a state that is actively limiting their right to choose when to start their family. That’s a very real issue and concern for Johnny to have, and I think that’s probably what’s underlying in their conversations that they aren’t showing. I hope they are able to stay together and work it out, they seem like a genuine and kind couple compared to the other ones.
I feel like Johnny and Amy are waiting for marriage and since that is taboo nowadays, they have to have this dumb narrative to hide it and prevent judgements for their choices.
I think Chelsea was made to look so unhinged, because she was being extremely gaslit by Jimmy who himself is a master at causing confusion by all of his subtle digs and not saying what he meant, things didn't add up she had a lot of reasons to be spiraling and "fishing"
Yes! I'm so surprised more people don't pick up on that. I guess the general public is just more comfortable with calling women crazy by default still.
for real, it's so so sad to see! whenever i find myself calling another woman crazy or criticizing her, it's a sign for me to stop and look for which man/men are benefitting from her behavior being used as a distraction from their awfulness, relationships, workplace, family/sibling/parent dynamics, etc, men are usually the root of women's problems, gaslighting takes so many forms, it's insane to realize @@deadams8905
Honestly I felt so much empathy for her. When I was young and dumb I was so in love with my bf, and he would saaaay he loved me but I felt the disconnection. He would distance himself with his actions then tell me he loved me and I was being crazy and overreacting to nothing… but I was sensing that he was just not as in it as I was. I should have listened to my gut. It was crazy making. He broke up with me several times, but always said things like he loves me so much, will never love anyone more, wished it would work etc., always left a foot in the door. Always came back when it was convenient for him. Totally destroyed my self esteem and fucked up what I thought love was supposed to look like for a long long time.
@@esharp86girl been there done that and now i'm engaged happily. but like, can we remember that chelsea and jimmy have known eachother for like 2 weeks
Chelsea is a High Conflict person, there are some great videos on YT explaining it. Basically addicted to conflict because of her insecurities. It's so hard being friends with people like this, I could def never date one. Their partner can never win and there is always an excuse. Exhausting.
Chelsea is friends with her ex, but wasn't texting him all day while "at work" but ignoring Jimmy, and then going to drinks with him without inviting Jimmy, during filming when they had limited time together, while knowing Jimmy has a history of girlfriends cheating on him with their best guy friend.
She just called herself a patriot in one of the pod episodes. It just gives off Nationalism to me. I'm just teasing about her though. I don't really think that @@WaffaBaby381
Unpopular opinion, but I actually don’t agree about putting Laura on a pedestal. I totally agree that Sarah Ann could and should have dealt with the situation in a better way taking other people into consideration. However I don’t know if it was the edit or not, but Laura was so critical constantly and even though it was packaged as a „joke“ I was having hard time watching it let alone I could have imagined being in a relationship with someone bashing me like that all the time. And even before that the way she stirred up the drama between Chelsea and Jess in the lounge was not ok in my book - not even giving Chelsea a chance to approach Jess first.. I don’t know as I said might be the edit but I noticed that everything she was son screen, Laura made me feel some aggression inside and want to get out of the room….
I agree with you, Laura seems like a toxic person, she’s constantly poking. I don’t think I’d be able to be around her as a friend let alone a partner. She needs to check her attitude. The guy… I mean, what was that!? Emotionally detached. He really thinks it’s appropriate to spend a night with other person who is interested in you and be understood only because you phrased it properly. Your grammar/ logic do not reflect what’s emotionally and morally right or wrong. And that jet ski scene was so disrespectful!
Jeramey and SA acted badly, no doubt, but I personally wasnt bothered by the jet ski thing. I mean at that point, there was no salvaging anything with Laura and there was no way SA was going back to hang with the women after that AD talk.
The fact that Sarah has no self awareness and talks so freely about it how “go after what you believe in.” Like sorry no. That’s not what you’re doing here
I hope AD's conversation with Sarah Ann helps her make her decision with clay. Clay keeps saying his biggest fear is him cheating, which we all know he will eventually do (can't expect the world from someone that still allows their traumas to rule their reality). & that is the mentality of the women he'd be messing with. Don't care about the wife, "happy home", or destroying another womans peace for a good ol time with a man. AD truly is a real one. Hope yall get her on for an interview!
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I really can't even figure out why Clay went on this show in the first place. From how invested he said he was in appearance, to this fear of commitment and concern that he's gonna cheat, all of which makes it look like he's not even close to ready for marriage, to anyone. I have one ex boyfriend who broke up with me because I refused to get on the pill. I'd taken the pill off and on for years, and dealt with issues like spotting, chronic migraines, mood swings, vomiting, and I decided I was freaking done. And condoms were fine with me. He wasn't fine with them, and wound up not being fine with my unwillingness to put my body through that hormonal hell again. I've been married 22 years now. Two kids, and both of them were on purpose. When we weren't actively trying to conceive, condoms worked fine for my husband and me. I don't know what's going on with Chelsea. I really initially disliked Jimmy, but the fight she had with him for going out on his friend's birthday... it was weird. Why would anyone not want their partner to celebrate their friends' birthdays? She said she didn't want to be with someone who goes out? It was really confusing, and I'm wondering if there was something missing. Now, I do not think Chelsea is actually manipulative. I think she's immature and that she has a ton of trauma that is still affecting her deeply. I don't really think she should be in a relationship right now, until she's done a lot of work on coming to terms with whatever hurt she has experienced. I just find myself wanting to mom her. Like, no, honey, you're not being rational right now. Who hurt you?
I briefly dated someone who was as paranoid about having kids as Johnny and he wanted me to get an IUD and even then it wasn't enough, so there are definitely people out there that feel the same. He apparently got a vasectomy after we broke up.
Idk if anyone else has said this but if I remember correctly the first few seasons all the episodes came out at once, which never gave a chance for everyone to come out and spill tea like they do now
I knew that Jimmy and Chelsea wouldn’t workout at the reveal scene, Jimmy clearly didn’t think Chelsea is beautiful, it was a subconscious deal breaker for him. He tried to pretend he loved her but it was a no since the first sight. He’s a good actor though, some people bought that pretending
I think a lot of the current cast was looking for something other than love on this show.
The quest for marriage part was fake but I think the drama that ensued was real.
The will only get worse each season with additional vetting. Jeramy basically implied that a friend recruited him which also likely made it easier to getting him through the final casting process.
Trevor apparently deleted his old accounts which seems like a red flag. Privating makes sense, but not deleting.
@@lanceareadbhar from what I’ve seen Trevor is a legit professional actor. He’s not even close to the person he plays on the show.
They all want to be influencers lol. So phony.
Agreed.
Not just the cast, the whole production feels trashy af.
I'm so done with the show. Buh bye
Not Jimmys biggest fan either but dont agree with your take at all.
The reason why Jimmy doesnt want to talk about hooking up with a friend on TV is out of respect for the friend, since she was shown in a previous episode and she did not sign up for the world knowing. Its actually so disrespectful of Chelsea to bring up another womans buisness on tv when she had asked for it not to be.
It is more Jimmy's fault than Chelsea's. Her sharing that information was in response to Jimmy's misbehavior, not as punishment, but as a way for her to make sense of things, amidst a very chaotic series of events with someone who gaslit her the whole way through. For a couple who are focused on getting the most out of the limited time they have before making such a significant decision, Jimmy's female friends should have never come up as a focal point, and they would not have been if he acted in ways that didn't center them at all. I understand the concern for privacy, and it is Jimmy who owes his friend the respect of ensuring her privacy is protected, by keeping from behaviors that would even cause her to be talked about. This man was very manipulative and somehow Chelsea ended up looking ridiculous. I refuse to blame women when men are in the mix because there's always some way in which male inactions/weaponized incompetency is missed under patriarchy, and women get blamed instead and told they should have known better. No, Jimmy should have known better. It seems the world is forgetting that it's Jimmy's responsibility to protect his friend by being responsible to his fiancee. If Jimmy hadn't been in constant communication with the friend, going out to see her without Chelsea, and had actually focused on putting in effort to spend as much with Chelsea in the short time they had together, which is what it seems he sold her in the pods, the friend would not have become a topic of conversation.
Agree 100%
@@meeeeepmooooopNah I disagree with that for two reasons: 1. Chelsea had already admitted on camera that she was still friends with an ex-boyfriend so she was being hypocritical getting upset over Jimmy’s friends. And 2. Now that we know Chelsea was drunk during that fight, she could have easily said something that could have led to unwanted attention on the friend and a possible lawsuit.
Agree
@@sneakykamon that would be on production though not Chelsea.
“Committing infidelity is not genetic” 😂
While he definitely has a conscious choice regardless.. studies have shown that yes infidelity is genetic (around 40% hereditary) and related to hormone levels
@@minichellecame here to comment this 😂 my friend studied pharmacy and told me this but I also saw lots of studies that show it’s also down to opportunity! Hence why when women started working cheating increased in women!
Say that to my ex😒😂
@@minichelleI second this!
Not entirely true. DRD4 polymorphism may be linked… so Clay MAY be onto something.
Im sorry but ADs mom saying that his parents relationship was successful because they stayed married so long is toxic. It's setting her up to believe that as long as they don't get divorced even if hes cheating it will be a successful marriage.
This!! Unfortunately not something to be looking up to when the man you are about to marry was going on infidelity trips with his dad. 🙄
Well some people would define that as successful….
@@WilliamsPinch this ideology is why people end up being miserable their whole lives and accept abuse. Whether or not someone sees length as a metric of success doesn't make it any better for the person involved.
Yeah that was a big problem for me.
Chelsea is best friends with her ex so she’s a hypocrite. I think it was disrespectful of her to bring it up on camera if they discussed it off camera. Some things should stay just between the couple
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I agree 100% I was thinking of the same things.
I too thought the same until I realized Jimmy's behavior is what caused it to come up as a topic. If he acted differently and focused his time and attention Chelsea, not constantly texting and getting drinks with his friend without his fiancee, she would not have been talked about. He was also disrespectful to his friend by not making sure his behavior kept her from being a focus, knowing she wanted privacy. He should be held responsible for his behavior, not Chelsea being blamed for her reasonable reaction to it. Jimmy is the person who should have protected his friend by behaving better, to Chelsea, she's a stranger. Jimmy was a bad friend.
Chelsea also didn't hang out and text her ex constantly while "at work" and ignoring Jimmy for most of the time filming was happening, neither did she leave Jimmy at home to go have drinks with her ex for one and a half hours.
@@meeeeepmooooopWell, talking in revenge does not make him guilty, but her. This showed that she can betray him whenever he does something she doesn’t’ agree with. That is one of the reasons to say “no” at the altar.
There's always going to be a difference between the edit, what we think happened, and the truth and we'll never know which. I can see Chelsea being a hypocrite, I can see Chelsea getting in her head after one bad night of drinking, and I can see Jimmy actually being worse than the edits he is getting. I don't feel comfortable judging her on just the edit, but I know that's part of the fun to others.
I agree with Natalie that Jimmy is obviously doing everything to look good on TV. He's absolutely going to say No at the altar.
Seeing Chelsea’s anxious attachment narrative in full effect was really eye opening for me. I knew I had struggles with this, but seeing it from a third party perspective completely changed me. I’m really grateful they show cased that because it was so helpful to recognize my own insecurities and how to manage them moving forward. Throughout the scene, I was almost mentally coaching Chelsea out of that mindset- and I realized I can do the same for myself. Who knew LIB could be so insightful!
literally why i watch reality tv! such a wholesome comment, ty for sharing!!
I think it’s interesting that everyone has turned on Chelsea. I feel like Jimmy regretted his choice as soon as he saw Chelsea at the physical reveal. You don’t say “she lied about her appearance” if you’re happy.
So I think he’s staying with Chelsea to prove that he made the right choice, especially after Jess said he would choke. And I feel like Chelsea knows this, which is triggering all of her insecurities.
He says all the right things, but his entire body language and even the way he says I love you feels forced and has no heart behind it.
He gaslit her the whole time, by omission. He didn't actively deny reality, which is what we're used to seeing as gaslighting, but he totally did not deliver on the life he promised her in the pods. He created an emotionally unsafe environment for someone who had shared so openly that she had been cheated on by an ex, with one of his best friends. His actions did not reassure her, they triggered her insecurities.
I do think it's her responsibility to heal, but she was doing the best she could, and was was aware enough to talk about it as something she's working through, and in the pods after getting to know her so deeply, he promised he would take care of her, only to do the opposite, and at the same time, kept saying he was there for her. That would make most people in Chelsea's shoes crazy, and given how many women are missing how awful Jimmy is, Chelsea is not in the minority, at all.
Literally. Its so obvious he’s not into her in any way.
Bro he said that because the producers obviously asked him about it. Like they don’t just talk straight from their mind in the interviews. They probably asked him something like „So do you think she looks like Megan fox haha?“ and that’s how he responded and he still said he liked her appearance in that same answer
exactly my thoughts
I 100% agree with you. I think Chelsea needs to do A LOT of work on herself, but from the very start you could tell Jimmy wasn't attracted to her, thereby triggering her insecurities. His behaviour only proved to bring out the worst of said insecurities which started a vicious circle of her acting insane and him pretending to be the good buy. He had no intention in ever staying with her. His whole body language said so. He was only in it for a good edit in the end.
I think Natalie is spot on regarding Jimmy’s intentions. He’s likely seen the intense backlash Bartise, Cole, Shake, etc. got for their lack of sensitivity and tact when it comes to their relationships. While some deserved the backlash more than others, I don’t think Jimmy wants to risk it.
Jimmy knows it will never work with Chelsea. He is waiting until the show is done to cut his losses - in the meantime, choosing his words carefully, patiently biding his time with Chelsea. Treating her respectfully and tolerating her nonsense until he feels safe to make his move and end the relationship with most viewers on his side.
Jess one hundred percent gave the vibes she wants to be the new Franscesca. No surprise she's on perfect match
ahhh and franscesca was on love is blind too, before perfect match. i knew her before love is blind on tiktok so when i saw her as gianina's mans.... mistress essentially i was shook lol
@@chatterandcheers Actually she was on Too hot to handle, but same same)
@@lenanayashkova she was on love is blind too though actually, she was with one of the guys in the "after the altar" eps
@@nuclearana yeah that was chaos
I’m just trying to imagine being in middle school & seeing my mom on Perfect Match
This season was good but very fake to me… if that makes sense lol
Same, the only couple who seems to have come on the show actually wanting to get married are Johnny & Amy.
What bothers me about Clay when he refers to the qualities that AD has he talks about how she makes him feel about himself. He’s not necessarily qualities that AD has in herself
I think part of the issue with the cast “spoiling” it has to do with how much they try to drag out episode releases. Earlier seasons didn’t have over a month of time to deal with social media. I bet the cast are encouraged to engage because it keeps people watching.
Am I the only one who isn’t a fan of Jessica? She clearly went on the show for Clout, which is very sad and telling of her parenting. I have a daughter her daughters age and I can’t imagine telling her hey I’m going to go on a show and potentially bringing back a husband you have never met or been around. I cant imagine her father was ok with that? Unless of course she told him this it all got clout so don’t worry? A tiktok of hers came up on my feed and she has her daughter doing tiktoks now. Which is creepy with soo many followers she gained. Too many creeps in the internet and the videos of her daughter have so many saves.
Telling of her parenting? She’s a teen mom who seemingly had a dead end job. If this will give her a platform to better provide for her child, so be it. She doesn’t have an OnlyFans or a sugar daddy, so relax.
Yeah parents should be very leerly of over exposing their kids especially if they are famous parents. Imo she went on for clout and might have been looking for a connection to date after the show but maybe say no at the alter. Tbf though she is probably going to make a lot more money for her family household.
Eewww saves? Creepy
It’s hard to understand for sure. Being a mom, I can’t imagine developing a serious relationship like that. The thing that really got me was her crying over her daughter and then she said when she left, she took two days for herself without seeing her daughter. I just couldn’t understand that.
Jimmy's been sounding like he's trying to convince himself he loves her since the reveal
My belief is that Chelsea is a “mean drunk” with a victim mentality. She 100% emotionally manipulates Jimmy (and probably other partners) and that pattern leads her to further believe that she’s a victim. The lady needs AA and a good therapist!
I have literally no clue how Jimmy stayed with her after THAT fight. I would be done
I feel like she love bombs too before a fight. She never gives him a genuine compliments and words of affirmation. It’s hey I love you but etc. it’s very manipulative
People don't get drunk because they're running away from happy feelings of relaxation and being reassured and cared for by their fiancee, Chelsea was seriously struggling because Jimmy was such an inconsiderate fiancee to her. If my fiancee should be my best friend, imagining any friend of mine acting the way Jimmy acted just makes it so clear how awful he was, and it's being missed while Chelsea gets blamed.
I get sad seeing takes like this because I 100% would have thought the same thing before learning what subtle gaslighting looks like. I now know that whenever a woman looks "crazy", there's probably some very mixed messages and inconsistencies she's experiencing, especially if she has such low self esteem like it seemed Chelsea does.
Jimmy was the manipulator, what we see in Chelsea is a woman trying to make sense of so much confusion and gaslighting, it's so triggering to watch actually, because I have been Chelsea in the past, and yes from what we were shown, she needs healing. Seeing how many of us missed how awful Jimmy is tells me so many women would have reacted similarly if they were in her shoes.
Women blaming other women benefits men and distracts us from realizing the role the man is playing in maintaining the chaos the woman is reacting to. All Jimmy had to do was show Chelsea through his actions, that he is 100% there for her. He didn't do that. He played on her insecurities by texting his friend he had hooked up with, all day, even drinks with her, without inviting Chelsea. A good friend would not act that selfishly, they would be considerate knowing their friend is struggling and working on being more secure in herself like Chelsea mentioned, and somehow men as fiancees and husbands aren't expected to treat us as well as our friends do. It's so sad.
@@meeeeepmooooopWelcome to the comments, Chelsea. Your ‘reality’ is distorted, you need to urgently seek therapy. All the best x
@@shabby_shabz25thank you from the bottom of my heart for this comment. You’ve restored my faith that this comment section is not being successfully gaslighted by Chelsea.
I feel like Jimmy acting like he was upset about the best couple comment was just him messing with Chelsea to give her a taste of her own medicine.
Bingo
Orrrr I thought it was “just another reason” for him to walk away, but one he hadn’t yet forgiven her for or gone back on. 👌🏼🙋🏼♀️
There should be rules where you're not allowed to discuss appearance, ethnicity, etc in the pods. It defeats the whole purpose of the show. Also, Netflix producers need to do more thorough sesrches to find out if they are currently in relationships when applying for the show.
Maybe producers could even interview potential contestants' parents and ask them if they are in a relationship and ready for marriage. Hopefully, parents would tell the truth.
If I were Netflix producers I would have my employees watch this podcast to learn about what to and not to do next season, or what to put in a contract.
Like the Venmo thing.
You guys are great
‘He would serenadeher…’ hmm wonder who 😂😂😂 love Natalie
Who was she talking about
@@brittneesanders9632I guess it was about Sal
Those serenade moments were so odd to me & it didn’t seem like love (on his end)- even though they tried to give him a good edit I wasn’t falling for it…
I guessed it before she made the serenade comment. During "After the altar", it became obvious what kind of person he is. I kinda liked him during the season, but something felt off. I couldn't stand him during "After the altar"! Probably one of the biggest shifts in opinions I have ever had with this show. Wow!
I hated SAL. He was so gross and the serenades made my stomach hurt 😂
She would’ve been better off with Jared after all.
I finally feel vindicated knowing that sal is being exposed for being fake here but I wish this had been said earlier bc mallory got so much hate after the show. She had her own issues but I do think she was trying her hardest to make it work.
Did you guys forget that Chelsea told Jimmy’s friends that one of her best friends is an ex??? We can’t hold that against him.
I 100% believe jimmy is just trying to be calm for the cameras
I agree with Natalie. I think the producers begged Jimmy to just pretend to tolerate Chelsea so they can film them at the alter. There is no way he can see himself putting up with he rollercoaster of insecurity for the rest of his life.
I think jimmy telling chelsea about the one night stand with his friend in private was to protect the friend, not jimmy which i feel like its fair bc they arent related to the show. chelsea bringing it up on camera was out of line & should have been done in private!!
but ultimately, i do agree if ur fiancé is uncomfortable with the closeness of ur friendship knowing the history (even if they didnt have one night stand), you need to create boundaries which i dont think jimmy did.
I agree with you. However I get the impression that Chelsea pretends to be ok with things she actually isn't okay with. But then her dissatisfaction comes out at another point when arguing about something else. They were arguing about Jimmy going out for 1.5 hrs for a friend's birthday for the first time in 3 months and how this make him someone who 'likes to go out', when really her issue was a fear that he would be seeing a friend he had been intimate with. When he told her about the friend, she should have stated her boundaries and expectations there and then and then the ball would have been in his court (something like "thank you for telling me - I appreciate your honesty. However, I want you to know that the ongoing daily messages between the two of you now make me uncomfortable, knowing that you were previously intimate. This is not something I can will be able to move past, unless you draw a boundary with that friend. "). NOT trying to control him by making sure he never leaves her sight. It's suffocating
The level of handholding Chelsea is expected to do to teach Jimmy how to be considerate feels unfair. It's like men are not expected to even be good friends to their fiancees. A half decent friend even, who knows me on the level Jimmy got to know Chelsea in the pods, with how much he claims he's there for her, and wants to show he loves her, would not act in the ways he did that would trigger her insecurities to begin with. Not saying she isn't at fault, but seeing Jimmy get off the hook, and Chelsea made responsible for his lack of basic kindness is awful. He gaslit her intensely but very subtly, and what we see is her being very emotionally disregulated, which is the result of feeling unsafe.
There was an alternate reality in which Jimmy was attuned and committed enough to her to create a more emotionally safe environment, and that's the one Chelsea was promised by Jimmy, and what she thought she would get when he chose her. Like she said, he was lying in the pods. He wasn't committed to her, and didn't treat her with care, he was very reckless with both Chelsea and his friend's privacy. He is the one at fault, more than any of those women who are caught in the drama triangle that is now absolving him of all responsibility.
@@vroxxzztbf according to Jessica he was going out way more than what was shown on the edit.
@@vroxxzz yep yep, i definitely agree with u!
@@deadams8905 yeah but i think at the time of the fight, it was his first time going out since in the pods and the vacation and he was out for an hour and a half. He said this to Chelsea and she didnt deny it so I do think at the time of the fight, he wasnt going out as much but maybe afterwards 🤷♀️ or maybe it was the editing lol
It’s weird Jess as a mum going on Perfect Match . I just knew from the beginning she was a Netflix plant. She is not even getting married but is getting so much attention
She’s perfect for TV. And I don’t think she intended to actually like Jimmy lol.
Even if Brittany & Kenneth did break up before they had to do it for the cameras, Brittany still had an emotional reaction & Kenneth still didn’t show any care and was eating and on his phone while she was in full tears. Also, Brittany said on the episode a couple times that he’s on his phone a lot
Totally agree with Deepti about Chelsea. I don't think Chelsea got a bad edit- you can not make a bad edit like this out of someone who is emotionally stable or emotionally mature. The fight with Jimmy made no sense- she was asking questions, then accused him of being with Jess when Jess wasn't even there- she was fishing. Then she did start spiraling, and she does this every episode and it is exhausting. There is ALWAYS something wrong, whatever Jimmy does is not good enough, whatever he says is not good enough. It seems like she has a drinking problem, and that mixed with being so insecure and she projects A LOT, they're never going to last. He tried to leave after she was backing him into a corner and then she was like "what?! i just told you to leave and now you're throwing the towel in?" like that's not what she just said she wanted. She is too much.
Chelsea he had a lot of reasons to be spiraling and "fishing". There was something wrong the whole time, Jimmy's actions were preying on her insecurities, and his words were claiming to love and be there for her. He was actively showing her he didn't care.
Jimmy knew she was insecure, she admitted it to him and his friends, and said it's something she's working on. His actions created an environment that was emotionally unsafe for her, after getting to know her so deeply and promising her the opposite in the pods. He failed her, and looking back, she was right about him lying in the pods. She was trying to make sense of a situation that made no sense, words that weren't matching his actions. She wasn't drinking because she was feeling supported, loved, and protected, all of which Jimmy promised, she was drinking because she was stressed and confused by her gaslighting fiance. Jimmy was very intentional, he created the exact environment he knew would cause her to spiral, while acting like he didn't understand what she was complaining about, and she got progressively emotionally unstable.
I feel like it is a bit of both though.. Chelsea is very insecure and she does project a lot of her issues onto Jimmy, and she expects reassurance after insane accusations rather than just having an honest conversation with him. She is not emotionally in a place to be in a committed relationship. Understandable since she got cheated on in her previous relationship but she hasn’t healed enough rn.
Equally though, Jimmy’s actions don’t align with his words. He has a lot of empty I love Yous which are kind of hard to believe when he’s so dead behind the eyes. He doesn’t really love Chelsea like he says he does and we see that when he chats to Jess and he says that she’s still his number 1 choice. He should just be honest with Chelsea atp because they’re just gonna have the same fight until one of them crack. they literally don’t even like each other anymore. Also felt bad for Chelsea that the one other guy that liked her unquestioningly was only on the show for clout 😭😭
I totally agree with you perspective. I just didn't focus on Chelsea as much because the rest of the viewing audience seems to only focus on Chelsea's issues and it feels so unbalanced/unfair. Jimmy's manipulation is so subtle, it's getting missed by so many female viewers, it's kind of scary bc that tells me that in the real world, his very abusive behavior would be acceptable to most women, which means most men are getting away with being awful to their female partners while getting called "good guys". It's so scary @@alekagheewala6973
@@meeeeepmooooop shut up chelsea, go take your meds and go to bed
@@meeeeepmooooopChelsea… your commentary is as tedious and exhausting as your gaslighting meltdowns. Give it up and don’t bring your toxicity to N&D’s smart and insightful podcast! 😅
I think Sarah Ann did owe Laura something. She’s hurting another woman as well and she should at-least owe her some respect and kindness because everyone at least deserves that but Jereamy (idk if that’s spelled right) is def at fault too! But Nat your takes were great!
It's not surprising that Sarah Ann doesn't respect other women. The fact that she's prepared to accept the kind of man who gets engaged to one woman whilst "leaving the door open" for another shows she has very little self-respect. Also, she's anti-chojce, so she clearly doesn't even respect other women's bodily autonomy.
nat you look so gorgeous 😭😭🥹 skin is glowing
What do people want Jeramey’s mom to do? Give him a time out or take away his phone? He’s a grown man, she’s done with that, she said what she said which was perfect, she didn’t justify his actions but called him out with that comment. People can be so ridiculous, he’s not a teenager even if he acts like one.
Edit: English is my second language and my first sentence seemed iffy to me so I changed it to present tense. 😅
Jeremy's mom's reaction was absolutely perfect.
"Congratulations, son. You played yourself!"
Her reaction was perfect. She cares about her son but she looked at him like he was an idiot which he is.
I think Sarah Ann came in and approached jeramy when she did for more screen time….if not she would have waited a couple weeks
I love the dynamic and friendship that you both have 🥰
29:50 LITERALLY SAME. i had to rewind the chelsea & jimmy fight 3 times because i was watching while doing chores and i was like, oh i must have zoned out for a second and not paid attention cause i don’t get it. but NAH, it was just *that* illogical 💀
If I took a shot every time Deeps says “interesting” I’d be passed out before the 7 minute mark 😂😂
*NATALIE'S TALKING ABOUT SAL BTW AKA WHEN SALVADOR SAID NO TO MALORY AT THE ALTAR DURING THEIR SEASON (SEASON 2) ...FOR THOSE WONDERING* :)
😂 love your energy - thanks for sharing!
That’s instantly who I thought of🥴🥴🥴
Jess connection was definitely Ariel, I saw an earlier comment that he was the other connection before the Viall files pod & he fits the description to a T lol
When Jimmy and Jess spoke I also saw the love there and I felt the same connection they felt in the pods which is very rare to see in this show. They loved each other intellectually and they understood each other’s emotions. I truly think that the pressure of not wanting to be a father immediately after getting married was what drove him away from picking her.
Laura was a mean girl throughout, who lucked out because Jeramey did wrong as well but doesnt excuse her previous actions.
it seems like you are excusing Jeramey behavior and putting cheating at the same level of whatever you think Laura did
Agreed. Two scummy people who matched lol
I agree with Natalies take on Jimmy! But, why is it ok for chelsea to be bestfriends with her ex who she slept with multiple times but Jimmy cant be with someone he slept with once? 😭
I get you...but Chelsea wasn't texting her ex all day while "at work" to ignore Jimmy, and then going to drinks with him without inviting Jimmy, during filming when they had limited time together, while knowing Jimmy has a history of girlfriends cheating on him with their best guy friend.
Loving that you share all the behind the scenes drama you find too 😆 already waiting for your next one to hear what’s been going on since finale!!
I'm seeing so many people say they get why Chelsea would be upset with Jimmy for still being friends with a woman he slept with in the past, but no one has brought up the hipocracy in Chelsea. I the last batch of episodes when she meets Jimmy's girl friends, she says "one of my best friends is my ex too, so it's fine."
IS IT FINE, CHELSEA? We don't see Jimmy being upset about that!
Honestly, if Chelsea acts this way in every relationship, I can't see any of her exes wanting anything to do with her anymore. I think she made it up as a manipulation tactic to lull him into a false sense of security.
"I'm fine with this, I'm friends with my ex, too! ... I was lying, all my exes are glad to be rid of me and I'm not fine with this at all!"
CHELSEA 👀
I hear what you're saying but Jimmy doesn't have to be upset about Chelsea being friends with an ex bf for it to be ok for Chelsea to have insecurities about Jimmy's friend. we all have different things that trigger bad feelings for us. The only way to move forward is for Jimmy to make a compromise to pull back from that friend or Chelsea break up with Jimmy because she's too insecure about the relationship Jimmy has with that woman.
They should really consider offering a barely edited version of the reunion. People would watch the whole thing and id honestly pay for that option
Btw clay didn’t touch the thing AD set up for him because he wasn’t home he was away that night for work. It wasn’t like he walked past it and chose to ignore it lol
Exactly…he is not the villain people want him to be
My theory is that Chelsea and Jimmy are getting the Chelsea and Kwame edit this season. We were all convinced that Kwame would say no but they swore that they never showed how close they really were.
Or the Danielle and Nick
Natalie’s hand lol 🤌🏻
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37:11 so shake was right??? At the reunion when he talked about people putting on a show for extra screen time 😅 and they’re definitely talking about sal here
I never thought he was lying… but also indeed deflecting the heat off himself
Omg when I saw the thumbnail I thought you look familiar!😂 I never knew you girls are running a UA-cam channel, this is so great! I’m loving this❤❤❤
Loving this face to face dynamic 🖤
Sarah Ann is a mean girl & I got that energy right off the bat in the pods.I genuinely thought Jeramy was going to pick her bc he’s also full of sh*t. Talking about “I want a fireplace & we’re going to have mimosas on Christmas morning” like stfu. No guy says that. Sounded so scripted. They’re perfect for each other.
Trevor... Idk, he's worse than Shake. Worse than Bartisse... worse than that guy who pretended to cry. 😂😂 I couldn't watch him from these last few episodes without saying "fake, fake, fake"
Worse than Shake? No way.
@@TheSTribe22 It's hard to measure but it's personal. Shake has always shown himself to be the horrible guy he is... full of red flags, disrespectful, inconvenient, etc. As for Trevor, he brought a disgusting persona... everything he said, every word is a lie (even his muscles are fake, btw). I hate dealing with people like that, I prefer a horrible guy who says things, than a loving person who fakes absolutely everything. Sweet lies hurt so much more (for me)
Deepti's takes on Chelsea's drinking and on the birth control drama are wild lol
Jimmy was constantly like "I say I love you the most" "we kiss the most". He was solely focused on being the best
Ladies, there’s something I don’t understand and since you have the insider view maybe you can clarify it for me. I heard/saw somewhere (very likely on TikTok since it’s my news source these days🤣) that if you engage in the pods, and you regret your choice, you must continue to the altar even if you and your partner are both sure of saying no. If not, you have a contract clause that force you to pay 50k $ to the producers/Netflix. So according to this, what was the case for Brittany and Keneth this season? Did they pay to Netflix or did they have to go to the altar and say no but wasn’t filmed? And I wonder, if this clause is not new, then what the couples who brook before the altar did on recent seasons (like JP and Taylor, Jackie and Marshall, Zack and Irina?).
Was this clause active when you participated in the show?
PS: I’m on the minute 20 when I wrote this. If you answer this later on the video I will erase my comment 😅
Let’s not forget Chelsea said she’s still friends with her ex as well and she didn’t have a problem with him being friends with the girls….
I love your show! One thing, you please add a soft music transition from y’all talking to y’all doing ads? It’s so abrupt
*could you please add
I agreed with pretty much everything you guys said except the part about Jimmy’s old fling with his friend. For the record, jimmy isn’t a saint either. But both Chelsea and Jimmy had a “mutual understanding” that they would not discuss his previous affairs with this specific person, which is why his friend agreed to be on camera. If Chelsea wasn’t okay with it in the first place, she needed to be a mature woman and tell her man that she wasn’t comfortable. This was a line that should have never been crossed by Chelsea and bc of this, she crossed a line and has zero respect for privacy. Also, jimmy was truthful about EVERYTHING. In most relationships, that’s all you can ask for and she is NOT ready to be in ANY relationship and I don’t understand why she’s in this show. She needs to learn to love and accept herself before joining a show where you need to be so secure that you’ll get married in 4 weeks. Period.
Yes!! Chelsea is a big gaslighter. People calling Jimmy a narcissist on social media have clearly never dealt with one. Chelsea knows what she's doing.
Ahhh so excited to see this video up! I’ve been waiting to hear all of your thoughts on what’s unfolded!! 🥰🥰🥰
I think the reason jimmy told her off camera about the friend he slept with was so that she could express her concerns without them being put on the show due to the friend. I think she probably told him that she would be fine with him telling his future wife the truth, but she probably doesn’t want it blasted on Netflix so that everyone knows… Chelsea should have ended things after hearing that, instead of trying to work it out and pretend it was fine. I would have walked away after hearing that, but I wouldn’t have announced on tv that this woman had sex with him, she probably wanted to keep that private.
Love the Monday schedule and you guys need to give us more episodes!! Once a week is not enough!! 😊
NOT SAL being fake!
Yeah, tell me, I can't stand all the hints anymore. Was it Sal?I thought it was Kyle
@@lenanayashkovaI think it was Sal because of the "serenading" clue. And how Deeps reacted to it made me think that she thought Natalie let the cat out of the bag with that. It's so disappointing!
I gasped 😅
@@lenanayashkovai thought it was pretty obvious it wasnt kyle bc he didnt sing and never made it to the altar
@@blackberryvanilla0822 i must have npt been listening well because I totally missed the serenading comment. But I was pretty sure Kyle did make it to the altar and Sheina said no..?
Natalie please stop making excuses for Chelsea.
She's going to therapy so I think she's doing what she can do to address her issues and actions.
Ok but why do we need to shit on people like we're all perfect in our relationships?
You guys must not have seen Sarah’s recent TikTok’s lol they have NO accountability and NO self reflection
I love that y'all are so real on here!
I feel like it’s important to recognize for Amy and Johnny and the BC issue that they live in a state that is actively limiting their right to choose when to start their family. That’s a very real issue and concern for Johnny to have, and I think that’s probably what’s underlying in their conversations that they aren’t showing. I hope they are able to stay together and work it out, they seem like a genuine and kind couple compared to the other ones.
Chelsea and jimmy fight was excruciating to watch to say the least..
I feel like Johnny and Amy are waiting for marriage and since that is taboo nowadays, they have to have this dumb narrative to hide it and prevent judgements for their choices.
Just finished watching love is blind Sweden. It was sooo good. You girls should watch it and talk about it as well.
I think Chelsea was made to look so unhinged, because she was being extremely gaslit by Jimmy who himself is a master at causing confusion by all of his subtle digs and not saying what he meant, things didn't add up she had a lot of reasons to be spiraling and "fishing"
Yes! I'm so surprised more people don't pick up on that. I guess the general public is just more comfortable with calling women crazy by default still.
for real, it's so so sad to see! whenever i find myself calling another woman crazy or criticizing her, it's a sign for me to stop and look for which man/men are benefitting from her behavior being used as a distraction from their awfulness, relationships, workplace, family/sibling/parent dynamics, etc, men are usually the root of women's problems, gaslighting takes so many forms, it's insane to realize @@deadams8905
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this video taught me so much
Honestly I felt so much empathy for her. When I was young and dumb I was so in love with my bf, and he would saaaay he loved me but I felt the disconnection. He would distance himself with his actions then tell me he loved me and I was being crazy and overreacting to nothing… but I was sensing that he was just not as in it as I was. I should have listened to my gut. It was crazy making. He broke up with me several times, but always said things like he loves me so much, will never love anyone more, wished it would work etc., always left a foot in the door. Always came back when it was convenient for him. Totally destroyed my self esteem and fucked up what I thought love was supposed to look like for a long long time.
@@esharp86girl been there done that and now i'm engaged happily. but like, can we remember that chelsea and jimmy have known eachother for like 2 weeks
37:10 I agree.. Jimmy’s just trying to get through to the end, because he sees it as an obligation (to the show) but he’s going to say NO.
If jimmy is trying to look like the good guy - it makes sense that Chelsea is appearing crazy & clingy. That is text book gaslighting!
Chelsea is a High Conflict person, there are some great videos on YT explaining it. Basically addicted to conflict because of her insecurities. It's so hard being friends with people like this, I could def never date one. Their partner can never win and there is always an excuse. Exhausting.
I'm in shock you guys are fans of Laura. The honeymoon really showed her character. Fun sucker type chick. I'm above everyone type chick.
You two are so intelligent. I love your insights.
Chelsea has a combo of anxious and avoidance attachment style. She self sabotages soo much!
Chelsea stated one of her best friends was a male ex.
Chelsea is friends with her ex, but wasn't texting him all day while "at work" but ignoring Jimmy, and then going to drinks with him without inviting Jimmy, during filming when they had limited time together, while knowing Jimmy has a history of girlfriends cheating on him with their best guy friend.
Matt seems really sus, even in spite of the edit.
Something tells me Sarah Anne's family was at Jan 6th.
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Explain what this means lol
She just called herself a patriot in one of the pod episodes. It just gives off Nationalism to me. I'm just teasing about her though. I don't really think that @@WaffaBaby381
Right . I was telling someone last week that Jimmy comes across …. Like he’s saying what she wants to hear to make it until the end.
Jess and Ariel is what the sleuths are saying.
“And serenading her” DEEPTI’s CHUCKLE!!! Lmao I knew damn well y’all have been talking about Sal 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I love Deeptie’s birth control alternatives 😂😂😂😂😂
Unpopular opinion, but I actually don’t agree about putting Laura on a pedestal. I totally agree that Sarah Ann could and should have dealt with the situation in a better way taking other people into consideration. However I don’t know if it was the edit or not, but Laura was so critical constantly and even though it was packaged as a „joke“ I was having hard time watching it let alone I could have imagined being in a relationship with someone bashing me like that all the time. And even before that the way she stirred up the drama between Chelsea and Jess in the lounge was not ok in my book - not even giving Chelsea a chance to approach Jess first.. I don’t know as I said might be the edit but I noticed that everything she was son screen, Laura made me feel some aggression inside and want to get out of the room….
I agree with you, Laura seems like a toxic person, she’s constantly poking. I don’t think I’d be able to be around her as a friend let alone a partner. She needs to check her attitude.
The guy… I mean, what was that!? Emotionally detached. He really thinks it’s appropriate to spend a night with other person who is interested in you and be understood only because you phrased it properly. Your grammar/ logic do not reflect what’s emotionally and morally right or wrong. And that jet ski scene was so disrespectful!
Jeramey and SA acted badly, no doubt, but I personally wasnt bothered by the jet ski thing. I mean at that point, there was no salvaging anything with Laura and there was no way SA was going back to hang with the women after that AD talk.
Agreed lol.
Sarah Ann has doubled down on Tiktok and Jeramey has expressed remorse on IG.
Yassssssss I love the way Natalie called out Sal!!!!!
The fact that Sarah has no self awareness and talks so freely about it how “go after what you believe in.” Like sorry no. That’s not what you’re doing here
I hope AD's conversation with Sarah Ann helps her make her decision with clay. Clay keeps saying his biggest fear is him cheating, which we all know he will eventually do (can't expect the world from someone that still allows their traumas to rule their reality). & that is the mentality of the women he'd be messing with. Don't care about the wife, "happy home", or destroying another womans peace for a good ol time with a man. AD truly is a real one. Hope yall get her on for an interview!
At 25:46 when they were talking about Amy and Johnny and meeting Amy’s dad - Natalie says Jimmy instead of Johnny 😅
Natalie predictions were accurate.. Jimmy said no, Clay did too
Good point Natalie- Jess ruined her ending on perfect match….. that sucks for viewers looking forward to that show
Hi, girls! I just found out your podcast and I’m IN LOVE! Love all the tea 😂 may I just give a suggestion? Maybe you guys could try to do the ads in the video be more organic? Cause I just skip it because it’s such an uninteresting cut out in the middle of the episode 😅 just a suggestion tho! I’ll keep watching you guys either way! Kisses from Brasil 🥰
I really can't even figure out why Clay went on this show in the first place. From how invested he said he was in appearance, to this fear of commitment and concern that he's gonna cheat, all of which makes it look like he's not even close to ready for marriage, to anyone.
I have one ex boyfriend who broke up with me because I refused to get on the pill. I'd taken the pill off and on for years, and dealt with issues like spotting, chronic migraines, mood swings, vomiting, and I decided I was freaking done. And condoms were fine with me. He wasn't fine with them, and wound up not being fine with my unwillingness to put my body through that hormonal hell again.
I've been married 22 years now. Two kids, and both of them were on purpose. When we weren't actively trying to conceive, condoms worked fine for my husband and me.
I don't know what's going on with Chelsea. I really initially disliked Jimmy, but the fight she had with him for going out on his friend's birthday... it was weird. Why would anyone not want their partner to celebrate their friends' birthdays? She said she didn't want to be with someone who goes out? It was really confusing, and I'm wondering if there was something missing. Now, I do not think Chelsea is actually manipulative. I think she's immature and that she has a ton of trauma that is still affecting her deeply. I don't really think she should be in a relationship right now, until she's done a lot of work on coming to terms with whatever hurt she has experienced. I just find myself wanting to mom her. Like, no, honey, you're not being rational right now. Who hurt you?
Print what you investigate you’ll have a lot of paper but that’s what file cabinets are for. Receiptsss ❤
who are they talking about at 37:40 ?? 👀👀👀👀
I briefly dated someone who was as paranoid about having kids as Johnny and he wanted me to get an IUD and even then it wasn't enough, so there are definitely people out there that feel the same. He apparently got a vasectomy after we broke up.
Idk if anyone else has said this but if I remember correctly the first few seasons all the episodes came out at once, which never gave a chance for everyone to come out and spill tea like they do now
The way you guys do ads is so flavorless and super awkward part of the show
I knew that Jimmy and Chelsea wouldn’t workout at the reveal scene, Jimmy clearly didn’t think Chelsea is beautiful, it was a subconscious deal breaker for him. He tried to pretend he loved her but it was a no since the first sight. He’s a good actor though, some people bought that pretending
Same here, from that moment onwards it was just a major cringe.
Been waiting for this!!!!!