A guy with 10 gp wins in different teams and seasons isn't average. Not a multiple world champion but definitely champ material. The average gp driver has 0 wins and about 3 or 4 seasons in f1.
@@johnjack1355 i agree, average for sure he wasn't. to check his entire career he had great teammates, he was faster than Fabi and Alboreto, he made a 7-7 draw with Mansell (is Mansell an average driver?), a substential draw with Alesi over 5 seasons. Berger was clearly slower only to 1 driver: Senna (3 years). But Senna outqualified all his teammates (Prost included). Helmut Marko once said: Berger has a high basic speed, but with problems in coordination and concentration. his main problem was his environment, they were convinced he was better than Senna, so he tested like a demon during winter 90/91 while Senna was lazing at angra dos reis in Brazil. the result was: 1st qualifying in Phoenix (USA), down 2,3 seconds to Senna. the first half of 91 was weak, than he became the old Berger, once he quit emulating Senna he was efficient, very fast. his race in Suzuka 91 was excellent, a maiden win. the lesson: just be yourself!
What you are seeing here is how deep their friendship has gone. I am from Austria and read the great book that Berger made. these two guys were just very good friends, and senna loved Gerhard. On days like this he was so much faster than anyone, but he let go of speed when he saw it was his buddy and teammate behind him. and then he gave him draft and also showed lines. once when he was allready world champion for that year he braked on the start finish line to give Berger his first win. Senna was a great man, and Gerhard Berger still is to that day!
Not sure if Senna would have been so generous with his friendship if Berger was good enough to actually challenge him. The way he handed that race to Berger actually appeared to many people as ungracious and humiliating, in that he made it clear who won the race by pulverizing Berger all race then obviously backing off at the last possible moment. Don't get me wrong, I think Senna was a good man at heart, but I think we can acknowledge he was at the same time totally ruthless in competitive psychology.
@@zetecryt "but I think we can acknowledge he was at the same time totally ruthless in competitive psychology." this is an essential skill/trait that all the greats have alike. there is something about winning or being better than others that only few comprehend and even fewer understand. and as i consider myself as one of the comprehensive group, i came to the conclusion that i dont want to be a winner, because i dont want to be an asshole in my job xD
Bruno Senna said that cars during that era cars had more understeer and one of the reasons Ayrton blipped the throttle was to unsettle the rear and use oversteer to help turn the car through the corner
@@R9naldo senna used blipping throttle tehnique to have a control the back of the car, f1 cars are rear powered and fishtailing of the car was a common thing, so much power could be controled by stabbing on the throttle constant in order to keep the car on the edge and keep the RPM high, in order to have a better corner exit speed. Combination of late braking for bigger corner entrance speed and stabbing the throttle during the corner, hitting the apex spotless and then flat out is more easier to say than do, that why senna was best and why he crushed stopwatch
@@okbronoproblem4328 Nope, 1990 was the last year of V-10 engines for Mclaren Honda. From '91 until 92' when the partnership ended they used V-12 engines. Here is an onboard of Senna in Kylami from 1992: ua-cam.com/video/n3UmITfF5V4/v-deo.html Greetings.
Se vocês reparar que Berger utiliza sempre da freiada tardia, enquanto Senna sempre freia antes, contorna melhor e sai acelerando sempre priorizando saída de curva, Berger não tira o pé para não se acidentar, ele tira porque ele não vai conseguir tangenciar e Senna só fecha a porta, muito nítido e muito legal ver essa pilotagem de altíssimo nível.
This was at the time of Senna "blipping" the throttle on and off really quick mid corner to act a little as traction control. It was something he learned during the turbo days and as the years went on he got better and better at it. Or another way to put it. Good drivers can drive, great drivers know how to drive!
Quando paro e vejo esses vídeos .. Senna andando na frente ..som dos motores.... difícil pensar que esse cara se foi a tanto tempo e ainda assim fica essa sensação triste .. melancólica .. Saudade que não tem fim das manhãs de corrida... Senna parece que ainda está na pista...🏎️🏎️🏎️🙏✌️
Great stuff. Interesting to see their different cornering techniques. Senna goes a bit wider than Berger in most corners but except in a few cases Senna carries more speed out of them. Thanks, a real treasure.. Just listen to the engines.
BadTrip Really evident at Parabolica. Berger takes a wider line corner entry, hence a slightly later apex (trail braking?), but still pushes corner off, whereas Senna has a much tighter line corner entry and off, hence carrying more apex speed and speed down the start/finish straight. Same at the middle corner of Ascari; tight, Berger has to lift slightly to get the front to bite, whereas Senna looks harder on the gas. Berger slightly trimmed out to compensate for a lack of horsepower, perhaps?
I know righht...this feels like "oh shit im driving a monster of a car, better watch this corner and make sure not to step on it too hard", nowadays its "oh its alright, the driver assists will do the job of regulating throttle input for me!
I love this era of F1. And I sorely miss the V10 era of the late 90s to mid 00s. Even those cars with all their tech, had an edge/rawness that modern F1 lacks. But change is inevitable. And youll always have people yearning for the old. Please remember when the cars in this video were new, there were people pining for the golden era of F1, the 60s. When the cars were even more raw and dangerous. Running purely mechanical grip and regularly launching its drivers into the trees and barriers. There will come a day when people are like, "Remember when F1 cars had wheels?" or "Remember when they had gas engines?", "it was so much better then!" lol.
everything was better except safety regulations. But then again maybe that's why it was better ;) Btw something like a plastic bag or piece is flying above Gerhard's car at 17:35! Or something hangs in the air?
azwris Almost positive that was 2 smallish birds of some kind. Watch it frame by frame, they "separate" and change direction towards the camera's right just before they vanish above Berger. Nice catch.
The O.G. Tony G. Not a bird, it's actually a cable and something hanging on it. You can see the wire on its side. Some signaling light equipment I suspect.
@@azwris I dont saw nothing at 17:35. Maybe you are refering to 17:36, in the high part of screen. then its a camera, ou can see that there is a tuble paralel to the ground, linkink the camera.
Perfect definition of F1 before 2000 years. Today F1 is driven like a bus, no oversteers, no understeer, no spins. its just a driver receiving a bunch of orders about how button he must push.
@@moneytron4143 I see your point and agree to some extent. But it's the natural evolution of technology and you can't get away from it. Back then we admired pilots for the sort of racing we see in this video. Nowadays we have to admire the incredible complexity of the technology used in F1 and the ability of today's drivers to cope with such different variables and configurations whilst driving considerably faster than back in the 90's. We may perceive today's driving as being smooth and laid back but I'm quite confident it is not ;)
@@vascotrigo Drivers dont need to cope with the complexity of the technology used in current F1 . they just follow orders of a big techinical team that tell to driver which button they have to push. Do you speak portuguese?
@@moneytron4143 of course they do follow indications for a lot of things. But they also need to press many other buttons to set the car properly for almost every corner and every straight. Differential, brake balance, fuel mixing, etc are constantly being changed by the pilot. As I said, today's racing is incredible and amazing for the technology that it involves and the skill of the pilot using that technology. I'm not as radical as you seem to be to consider the modern driver to be just a simple puppet following commands from the pit stop. They are amazingly talented in today's technological environment. But again, I totally agree with you about the rawness and pure driving skill that existed up until the early 90's. I grew up watching these guys in the 80's and 90's. I even got the chance to see a live GP in 92 Estoril. And yes I do speak Portuguese since I am Portuguese :)
when i watch this over and over i look at berger for 25 minutes, then senna for 25 minutes. its a nice change of pace to watch ayrton from another driver's car as opposed to his own in-car footage. and of course this is one of the nicest berger in-car videos i have ever seen.
Quando la F1 era una cosa seria, le monoposto avevano un motore 12 cilindri che strillava, il cambio manuale, zero controlli elettronici e piloti che nel dubbio tenevano aperto, gente con i maroni! Quella era la F1 vera, oggi vedendo questi video si prova solo tanta nostalgia...Berger era un signor pilota peccato che il suo compagno di squadra fosse un fenomeno!
At 9,24 he almost got him. But he couldnt keep up the full race. At the end Senna won by 7,4 seconds gap and Berger lost position to Prost too. But still, Berger was one of the best drivers ever. 1993 he should have joined Williams-Renault instead Ferrari again.
Prost was really good. Senna was the best at a one lap event. So he’d always be on pole. Both drivers were mad great. Different styles, loved them both. Senna had no patients though. Always felt like he had to win. That’s why he’d drive it in there despite the consequences. Prost”the professor” would just say, get’em next week…unless he makes a mistake. Luv this dudes
+GhostsKuriboh I don't think so. Mercedes and Ferrari are always updating their cars. Honda will never be as good as Mercedes/Ferrari by producing enginges. The old times are over
Sure McLaren come back one day. There are always some Red Bulls, Williams, Renaults or Mercedes, who dominate F1 for a short time. But Ferrari and McLaren was always on Top of F1. Every of them got sometime a weak Year or two. But one Day McLaren will be back again, like it always was.
You shoud see Zanardi at the Daytona 24 driving a GTLM BMW. Brakes and downshifts with his right hand off the wheel and on a special shifter. I have a hard time imagining taking Turn 1 or the Bus Stop two-handed....
i love the formula one of today even with all the technicalities because they still manage to put on a great show with real good racing! but looking at how they raced back then, that was pure racing, pure skill!
I was watching this video wondering why the car in front of Berger was so fast, then I saw "chasing senna" in the title and I stopped wondering. Berger was great, but not as good as Senna. Senna was a god. Still hurts to this day not knowing what he could have achieved not only in F1 but his entire life ahead of him. President of Brazil without a doubt. Such a great driver and human being whom I never knew personally, but has impacted my life so much and miss every day. Rip Senna.
Honda V6 Turbo, V10, V12 won F1 from 1987 - 1991, In 1992, Renault V10 + Active Suspension defected Honda V12, Honda withdrew from F1 and joined US Indy Car later on and dominated Indy Car until now
These downshifts seem very smooth compare to those made by Senna in 1988 at Suzuka. There is here on YT a video with a comparison between Senna and Prost at Suzuka, and you can hear distinctly how Senna was « brutal » in his style very opposed to the Prost’s one, smooth and calm.
I real scary part is how exposed they are. Their shoulders are outside the cockpit. It would lead to Senna's death when a piece of suspension hit his helmet and killed him.
@@phrc06 I think you got your numbers switched. The Lamborghini engine was considered the most powerful engine back then and that only made 750. These days cars are making 1000hp+ with the hybrid in quali.
Ah, back then '90 the second Lesmo corner still was the original and fluend one and not such artificial than today. More challenging and risky (in case of understeer) at max. possible corner speed than today.
In this video we can see the greatest driver of all time in F1. A true genius, with a supernatural driving ability, simply amazing and unsurpassed. Behind him we have Berger.
Interesting. Racing was very different back then, technology has changed so much. Compared to today the cars were much slower. Lack of downforce, lack of power (700hp in 1990), revs and torque, no power steering, round steering wheel, manual shifting, no paddles, no carbon brakes, crappy tire technology. Guys like Mansell needed Muscles to be quick. Sennas quali time Monaco 1990: 1:21. Vettels time in 2013: 1:13!
They were slower yes she to less downforce but the cars in 1986 were turbocharged up to 5.5 bar and put down well over 1000hp in qualifying trim. Way more powerful, harder to control. Slower times but 1000% better and more exciting to watch/drive I'm sure
En.ese tiempo.existian Los mejores pilotos de formula uno sin dudas ,con.motores v12 Sabian correr muy apesar del peligro de la gran velocidad que desarrollaban en las curcaa fue una epoca unica eh irrepetible
I would more say “the appearance of his driving is wild”. Like a master abstract artist. Watch him paint, his actions may seem random, wild and uncontrolled, but look at the finished piece. An incomparable work of art. Expressive, meaningful, profound, reflecting an organic precision and “rightness” comparable to the natural world.
Treetop64 I think all of them will do fine after some training, they will finally feels like "I'm a badass fk'n great racer" and no more PC operator/Tyre and fuel manager.
Treetop64 Most of the 'kids' in F1 today are in way better physical shape than their predecessors. Some of them, like Lewis Hamilton, have driven old F1 cars, Senna's 1988 turbo car in his case, and did just fine.
Tuppoo94 ...because a demonstration run in a museum piece has just as much validity in proving a driver's fitness as participating a full-fledged contemporary grand prix season, rite? Mate, it's obvious for all to see that the drivers of today are indeed very fit, but that wasn't the point...
Tuppoo94 Well it's already been pointed out in the first reply. Electronic car assists, 3 pedals, H shifter, far more power, no in depth telemetry, giants that make up the grid (can you seriously stack Hamilton against Senna or Prost, HA. The list goes on
Sepang seems to me a video game track, with all that huge escapes areas, in the middle of nowhere. A good track has to have personallity, like Monza, Interlagos, Paul Ricard, Suzuka...
Yes, they do have electronic aid. They can adjust manny parameters using these several knobs on the steering wheel (with the pit crew help) and also they can know where they are going faster or slower on the track just reading the telemetry sheets. It's not active electronic, but help them a lot.
Yes, but just the bost and sometimes a rustic brake balance. Today they can adjust the clutch, differential, brakes sensibility (not balance), fuel + air mix, torque, rpm limiter and even a different setup for different tyres diameters. Of course, all of this things are electronicly adjustable.
both physical inputs - gear shifts for example - as well as mental - don't wrap myself around an armco. Lap after Lap. different to modern F1. I know what I prefer ....
There are a lot of these early to mid '90s in car videos on the net. Found them at an F-1 sight back in '09. Many of Shumacher up till '94 including, IMO, his greatest race. The '94 Spanish GP.
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Damn... look at that shifting, engine sound, speedometer... the best F1 era 80's 90's
Berger was truely a great driver. Look how well he holds onto Senna. He had some some great races in his time.
Average pilot.
Gear hard Berger was his nick name with the mechanics and engineers
And so many times he had bad luck: Engines, gear boxes, pit-stops,...
A guy with 10 gp wins in different teams and seasons isn't average. Not a multiple world champion but definitely champ material. The average gp driver has 0 wins and about 3 or 4 seasons in f1.
@@johnjack1355 i agree, average for sure he wasn't. to check his entire career he had great teammates, he was faster than Fabi and Alboreto, he made a 7-7 draw with Mansell (is Mansell an average driver?), a substential draw with Alesi over 5 seasons. Berger was clearly slower only to 1 driver: Senna (3 years). But Senna outqualified all his teammates (Prost included). Helmut Marko once said: Berger has a high basic speed, but with problems in coordination and concentration. his main problem was his environment, they were convinced he was better than Senna, so he tested like a demon during winter 90/91 while Senna was lazing at angra dos reis in Brazil. the result was: 1st qualifying in Phoenix (USA), down 2,3 seconds to Senna. the first half of 91 was weak, than he became the old Berger, once he quit emulating Senna he was efficient, very fast. his race in Suzuka 91 was excellent, a maiden win. the lesson: just be yourself!
Today's F1 looks like a Sunday drive in the country compared to what these guys were doing back in the day.
Exactly!
Thought the same in 1993, when I started watching F1.
Because it is, frankly.
@@AleksYurchenko1993 where there was some technology like Traction Control, ABS, active suspension etc.
That's cause of camera technology, the cars aren't that much easier to drive
What you are seeing here is how deep their friendship has gone. I am from Austria and read the great book that Berger made. these two guys were just very good friends, and senna loved Gerhard. On days like this he was so much faster than anyone, but he let go of speed when he saw it was his buddy and teammate behind him. and then he gave him draft and also showed lines. once when he was allready world champion for that year he braked on the start finish line to give Berger his first win. Senna was a great man, and Gerhard Berger still is to that day!
Not sure if Senna would have been so generous with his friendship if Berger was good enough to actually challenge him. The way he handed that race to Berger actually appeared to many people as ungracious and humiliating, in that he made it clear who won the race by pulverizing Berger all race then obviously backing off at the last possible moment. Don't get me wrong, I think Senna was a good man at heart, but I think we can acknowledge he was at the same time totally ruthless in competitive psychology.
@@zetecryt "but I think we can acknowledge he was at the same time totally ruthless in competitive psychology." this is an essential skill/trait that all the greats have alike. there is something about winning or being better than others that only few comprehend and even fewer understand. and as i consider myself as one of the comprehensive group, i came to the conclusion that i dont want to be a winner, because i dont want to be an asshole in my job xD
Bruno Senna said that cars during that era cars had more understeer and one of the reasons Ayrton blipped the throttle was to unsettle the rear and use oversteer to help turn the car through the corner
They had more understeer despite weighing only 505 kg?
@@R9naldo They had no power steering
@@eltonalonsopompeu615 that doesn't cause understeer
@@R9naldo senna used blipping throttle tehnique to have a control the back of the car, f1 cars are rear powered and fishtailing of the car was a common thing, so much power could be controled by stabbing on the throttle constant in order to keep the car on the edge and keep the RPM high, in order to have a better corner exit speed. Combination of late braking for bigger corner entrance speed and stabbing the throttle during the corner, hitting the apex spotless and then flat out is more easier to say than do, that why senna was best and why he crushed stopwatch
@@ivankuzmic9338 well explained, Senna had the best feel for a car ever
Berger Awesome Driver, and the most important, a GENTLEMAN.
He is isn’t hea gentleman.
... and a very good friend of Senna, although they where in the same team ...
I read that he loved practical jokes!
Simply beautiful!! That honda V10 sound is amazing!!
V12 i think
@@okbronoproblem4328 Nope, 1990 was the last year of V-10 engines for Mclaren Honda. From '91 until 92' when the partnership ended they used V-12 engines. Here is an onboard of Senna in Kylami from 1992: ua-cam.com/video/n3UmITfF5V4/v-deo.html
Greetings.
@@igon2893 Thank you
@@igon2893That's correct
@@okbronoproblem4328The only V12 in this video is the Lotus Lamborghini in 12:29
Berger is a great driver
Back in the day's when the F1 car's sounded brutally great !
Ie better!
The most beautiful car EVER
Berger, grande piloto conseguia acompanhar o Senna em Monza, pista de alta velocidade. Não é para qualquer um não.
Mais aí a gente vê ne ninguem pegava o Senna, nem mesmo o Berger
Mas se vê nítido que o Berger tirou o pé algumas vezes e n foi para cima e nem diminuiu c intenção de n acidentar n
Vdd
Se vocês reparar que Berger utiliza sempre da freiada tardia, enquanto Senna sempre freia antes, contorna melhor e sai acelerando sempre priorizando saída de curva, Berger não tira o pé para não se acidentar, ele tira porque ele não vai conseguir tangenciar e Senna só fecha a porta, muito nítido e muito legal ver essa pilotagem de altíssimo nível.
O Senna tinha sempre essa coisa de tentar fazer a corrida toda sem trocar pneus, por isso é que no início das corridas não puxava tanto o ritmo.
This was at the time of Senna "blipping" the throttle on and off really quick mid corner to act a little as traction control. It was something he learned during the turbo days and as the years went on he got better and better at it.
Or another way to put it. Good drivers can drive, great drivers know how to drive!
Perfect sound. Perfect handling of the cars. Fantastic duo!
one could watch this epic stuff all day long
McLaren, Senna, Berger This is GREAT
Man..... This is awesome... Imagine yourself driving such beasts? Golden years and Senna flying as usual. Thank you so much for posting.
This Honda engine has the most beautiful sound in Formula 1 history.
AWESOME!
TWO REAL FRIENDS in F1 are fighting with respect!
Much better as hamilton^^
Quando paro e vejo esses vídeos .. Senna andando na frente ..som dos motores.... difícil pensar que esse cara se foi a tanto tempo e ainda assim fica essa sensação triste .. melancólica ..
Saudade que não tem fim das manhãs de corrida... Senna parece que ainda está na pista...🏎️🏎️🏎️🙏✌️
Saudades né
This is fantastic. Gerhard Berger is one of the best drivers of that time - definitely underrated.
Gerard Berger grande piloto e amigo de Senna si que aí não tinha amigo não era pé embaixo e cada por si
They were such beautiful cars back then.
Great stuff. Interesting to see their different cornering techniques. Senna goes a bit wider than Berger in most corners but except in a few cases Senna carries more speed out of them.
Thanks, a real treasure.. Just listen to the engines.
BadTrip Really evident at Parabolica. Berger takes a wider line corner entry, hence a slightly later apex (trail braking?), but still pushes corner off, whereas Senna has a much tighter line corner entry and off, hence carrying more apex speed and speed down the start/finish straight. Same at the middle corner of Ascari; tight, Berger has to lift slightly to get the front to bite, whereas Senna looks harder on the gas. Berger slightly trimmed out to compensate for a lack of horsepower, perhaps?
Questa era Monza con le curve di Lesmo ancora in configurazione veloce.
Spettacolare!
This feels and looks fast . . . much better than the 2015 cars.
I know righht...this feels like "oh shit im driving a monster of a car, better watch this corner and make sure not to step on it too hard", nowadays its "oh its alright, the driver assists will do the job of regulating throttle input for me!
John Midas There are no driver assists of that sort in modern F1 cars.
2015/2016 cars look faster to me, you know, because i'm not deluded? *cough* moron *cough*
@@Tuppoo94 assistis tecnology, in ALL cars in modern F1 . Look and observe .
Suspension eletronic , CPU Intel core i7. Kkkk .
Way better than the current lawn mower sound!
I love this era of F1. And I sorely miss the V10 era of the late 90s to mid 00s. Even those cars with all their tech, had an edge/rawness that modern F1 lacks. But change is inevitable. And youll always have people yearning for the old. Please remember when the cars in this video were new, there were people pining for the golden era of F1, the 60s. When the cars were even more raw and dangerous. Running purely mechanical grip and regularly launching its drivers into the trees and barriers. There will come a day when people are like, "Remember when F1 cars had wheels?" or "Remember when they had gas engines?", "it was so much better then!" lol.
Brilliant !! Fantastic... I miss those days...
Aqui pra eles Senna eles jamais tiraram isso da gente 🏆🇧🇷🏆🏆🙏
Imposible to catch the best of all time....so fast...nice drive in curves...and power full in straigth track....Ayrton Senna ...
After seeing onboards of modern F1, the cars from the 90's sound much better by comparison. Much, much better indeed.
everything was better except safety regulations. But then again maybe that's why it was better ;)
Btw something like a plastic bag or piece is flying above Gerhard's car at 17:35! Or something hangs in the air?
azwris Almost positive that was 2 smallish birds of some kind. Watch it frame by frame, they "separate" and change direction towards the camera's right just before they vanish above Berger. Nice catch.
The O.G. Tony G. Not a bird, it's actually a cable and something hanging on it. You can see the wire on its side. Some signaling light equipment I suspect.
@@azwris a camera
@@azwris I dont saw nothing at 17:35. Maybe you are refering to 17:36, in the high part of screen. then its a camera, ou can see that there is a tuble paralel to the ground, linkink the camera.
when f1 was a kart with a monstrous engine.... real drivers!!! real men !!!
Perfect definition of F1 before 2000 years. Today F1 is driven like a bus, no oversteers, no understeer, no spins. its just a driver receiving a bunch of orders about how button he must push.
I love the late 80s-early 90s f1 cars
@@moneytron4143 I see your point and agree to some extent. But it's the natural evolution of technology and you can't get away from it. Back then we admired pilots for the sort of racing we see in this video. Nowadays we have to admire the incredible complexity of the technology used in F1 and the ability of today's drivers to cope with such different variables and configurations whilst driving considerably faster than back in the 90's. We may perceive today's driving as being smooth and laid back but I'm quite confident it is not ;)
@@vascotrigo Drivers dont need to cope with the complexity of the technology used in current F1 . they just follow orders of a big techinical team that tell to driver which button they have to push. Do you speak portuguese?
@@moneytron4143 of course they do follow indications for a lot of things. But they also need to press many other buttons to set the car properly for almost every corner and every straight. Differential, brake balance, fuel mixing, etc are constantly being changed by the pilot. As I said, today's racing is incredible and amazing for the technology that it involves and the skill of the pilot using that technology. I'm not as radical as you seem to be to consider the modern driver to be just a simple puppet following commands from the pit stop. They are amazingly talented in today's technological environment. But again, I totally agree with you about the rawness and pure driving skill that existed up until the early 90's. I grew up watching these guys in the 80's and 90's. I even got the chance to see a live GP in 92 Estoril. And yes I do speak Portuguese since I am Portuguese :)
real men. real balls.
when i watch this over and over i look at berger for 25 minutes, then senna for 25 minutes. its a nice change of pace to watch ayrton from another driver's car as opposed to his own in-car footage. and of course this is one of the nicest berger in-car videos i have ever seen.
Quando la F1 era una cosa seria, le monoposto avevano un motore 12 cilindri che strillava, il cambio manuale, zero controlli elettronici e piloti che nel dubbio tenevano aperto, gente con i maroni! Quella era la F1 vera, oggi vedendo questi video si prova solo tanta nostalgia...Berger era un signor pilota peccato che il suo compagno di squadra fosse un fenomeno!
Today's F1: "Gerhard, wait for DRS, and you can pass him easily!"
The golden age of F1
this is the real racing driving F1
At 9,24 he almost got him. But he couldnt keep up the full race. At the end Senna won by 7,4 seconds gap and Berger lost position to Prost too. But still, Berger was one of the best drivers ever. 1993 he should have joined Williams-Renault instead Ferrari again.
same could be said about Alesi joining Ferrari as well.
Yes, sometimes he was the best. Some times during his long career.
Prost was really good. Senna was the best at a one lap event. So he’d always be on pole. Both drivers were mad great. Different styles, loved them both. Senna had no patients though. Always felt like he had to win. That’s why he’d drive it in there despite the consequences. Prost”the professor” would just say, get’em next week…unless he makes a mistake. Luv this dudes
25 minutes of chasing one of the best to ever get in a racing car? I can dig it. Kudos for the upload and kudos to Mr. Berger for keeping up.
The glory days of McLaren, god knows what has happened to them now!
+GhostsKuriboh I don't think so. Mercedes and Ferrari are always updating their cars. Honda will never be as good as Mercedes/Ferrari by producing enginges. The old times are over
@GhostsKuriboh Hi it is 2017.
Sure McLaren come back one day.
There are always some Red Bulls, Williams, Renaults or Mercedes, who dominate F1 for a short time.
But Ferrari and McLaren was always on Top of F1.
Every of them got sometime a weak Year or two.
But one Day McLaren will be back again, like it always was.
indeed it is . . .
i dont think they will be winning in 2017
Chasing The fastest men in F1.......The Great Ayrton Senna. .
the title should be chasing superman monza 1990
Lmao
He is not chasing he is covering Senna's back, holding others down.
racing with one hand, now thats how it should be. we should have a low line race series where it goes back to these style of cars and balls.
ABSOOOOFUGGIN'LLLLLLUTELY!!
You shoud see Zanardi at the Daytona 24 driving a GTLM BMW. Brakes and downshifts with his right hand off the wheel and on a special shifter. I have a hard time imagining taking Turn 1 or the Bus Stop two-handed....
Hamilton has asked for years to come back to manual gearbox.
@@MikeJones-vx5pw gabagool? ova here...
i love the formula one of today even with all the technicalities because they still manage to put on a great show with real good racing! but looking at how they raced back then, that was pure racing, pure skill!
Martin Donnelly. So sad that he had his near fatal crash at Jerez soon after Monza.
I was watching this video wondering why the car in front of Berger was so fast, then I saw "chasing senna" in the title and I stopped wondering.
Berger was great, but not as good as Senna. Senna was a god.
Still hurts to this day not knowing what he could have achieved not only in F1 but his entire life ahead of him. President of Brazil without a doubt. Such a great driver and human being whom I never knew personally, but has impacted my life so much and miss every day.
Rip Senna.
Holy shit, I need to watch porn to calm down
Hahahaha.
Honda V6 Turbo, V10, V12 won F1 from 1987 - 1991, In 1992, Renault V10 + Active Suspension defected Honda V12, Honda withdrew from F1 and joined US Indy Car later on and dominated Indy Car until now
It was good to find this video since I was at Monza on spot at back streach. Nice old days for me and NA F1.
The downshifts after the straight in Monza sound so brutal and unbelievable quick (he had to shift by hand).
These downshifts seem very smooth compare to those made by Senna in 1988 at Suzuka. There is here on YT a video with a comparison between Senna and Prost at Suzuka, and you can hear distinctly how Senna was « brutal » in his style very opposed to the Prost’s one, smooth and calm.
I real scary part is how exposed they are. Their shoulders are outside the cockpit. It would lead to Senna's death when a piece of suspension hit his helmet and killed him.
Yes and the motors in this time about 1000 hp ~ 1200 hp ....today 750.....and the butterfly transmission much more easy
@@phrc06 Pretty sure power was around 700 ish, 1000hp was only for the turbo era in the 1980's. And modern f1 cars are around 1000 as well
@@phrc06 I think you got your numbers switched. The Lamborghini engine was considered the most powerful engine back then and that only made 750. These days cars are making 1000hp+ with the hybrid in quali.
@@acecombatplayer1 1986 season - quali trim - 1300-1500 hp, and that's only official. real numbers are not revealed but some maybe went to ~1800
@@user-po2rf1ds4p I know that but we are talking about the engines from after the turbo era
Amazing! One of the best i´ve seen till today.
Ah, back then '90 the second Lesmo corner still was the original and fluend one and not such artificial than today. More challenging and risky (in case of understeer) at max. possible corner speed than today.
In this video we can see the greatest driver of all time in F1. A true genius, with a supernatural driving ability, simply amazing and unsurpassed. Behind him we have Berger.
O Geraldo era bom mesmo. 18 voltas sem errar marcha. No cambio manual não era facil.
Ottimo pilota...come seconda guida.. sarà stata l'unica gara che ha tenuto il passo di Senna
Interesting. Racing was very different back then, technology has changed so much. Compared to today the cars were much slower. Lack of downforce, lack of power (700hp in 1990), revs and torque, no power steering, round steering wheel, manual shifting, no paddles, no carbon brakes, crappy tire technology. Guys like Mansell needed Muscles to be quick. Sennas quali time Monaco 1990: 1:21. Vettels time in 2013: 1:13!
They were slower yes she to less downforce but the cars in 1986 were turbocharged up to 5.5 bar and put down well over 1000hp in qualifying trim. Way more powerful, harder to control. Slower times but 1000% better and more exciting to watch/drive I'm sure
The sound! My God the sound!!!
this is so awesome!!! smile from ear to ear watching and listening to this
En.ese tiempo.existian Los mejores pilotos de formula uno sin dudas ,con.motores v12 Sabian correr muy apesar del peligro de la gran velocidad que desarrollaban en las curcaa fue una epoca unica eh irrepetible
Berger had the benefit of the draft, but couldn’t match Senna’s brilliant chicane speed. F1 was so awesome then. Real men. Today it sucks.
Today's F1 is about money. Mediocre talent.
if you chasing senna in mp4/4 then youre must dreaming
+Al Harbi MP4/5B (in this video's case, anyway)
Not chasing but covering
His driving is so wild , but this is his style. most of us miss this F1 so much ,,,, right??
I would more say “the appearance of his driving is wild”. Like a master abstract artist. Watch him paint, his actions may seem random, wild and uncontrolled, but look at the finished piece. An incomparable work of art. Expressive, meaningful, profound, reflecting an organic precision and “rightness” comparable to the natural world.
Im fairly sure one of design criteria for the up-coming semi-automatic gear boxes was to shift as fast as Berger.
Hypnotic
Senna . The man from another dimension.
I don't think half the kids in F1 today could handle the cars from the 80s and early 90s. They would flunk right out.
Treetop64 I think all of them will do fine after some training, they will finally feels like "I'm a badass fk'n great racer" and no more PC operator/Tyre and fuel manager.
Treetop64 Most of the 'kids' in F1 today are in way better physical shape than their predecessors. Some of them, like Lewis Hamilton, have driven old F1 cars, Senna's 1988 turbo car in his case, and did just fine.
Tuppoo94
...because a demonstration run in a museum piece has just as much validity in proving a driver's fitness as participating a full-fledged contemporary grand prix season, rite? Mate, it's obvious for all to see that the drivers of today are indeed very fit, but that wasn't the point...
Treetop64 Give a single good reason for why they can't handle cars like this.
Tuppoo94 Well it's already been pointed out in the first reply. Electronic car assists, 3 pedals, H shifter, far more power, no in depth telemetry, giants that make up the grid (can you seriously stack Hamilton against Senna or Prost, HA. The list goes on
Ohhh my god, Crazy...Very good formuly one turbo.The brasilian Pilot Ayrton Senna the best.
Bela condução de Berger, dando um calor no mestre.
Sepang seems to me a video game track, with all that huge escapes areas, in the middle of nowhere. A good track has to have personallity, like Monza, Interlagos, Paul Ricard, Suzuka...
senna& berger big team mclaren team
The second Lesmo is one of the lost corners of Formula 1. A great challenge. Now we have a fiddly off camber piece of crap instead.
Anthony Kernich the Italians are now considering re-profiling it back to its pre-1994 spec 👍🏼
I hope so. The current corner is one of the worst corners on the F1 calendar.
Senna,the best 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
que buenos tiempos!!! que sonidos!!! que pilotos!! que conducciones magistrales!! Todo lo contrario a a la aburridisima y decadente F1 actual.
must be like a drug for these guys
Those were the days...
Simply amazing!
Just mind boggling. Awesomeness!
i love manual gearboxes on board, daaaaaaamn!
The Downshift is amazing
no better racing than when Senna/Prost/Berger/Mansell/Piquet were on the track together
chasing but not finding ! thanks from brazil !
Berger always had the best seat in the house for all of Senna's wins...
1/6/20 I'm enjoying here 👽
This os just great thanks for this video! The adrenaline is runing all over me when is watch this race back in the day thanks!
I typed "badassary" and ended up here
In this video all incredible. F1 rules ( no fucking drs ), drivers, cars , even two first chicanes ( today reconstructed to one useless chicane )
Berger was the best second driver besides Prost ever. A real gentleman, a good pal for everyone
and the fastest......
And Piquet , Niki Lauda , Mansel , Damon Hill ?
Berger was brilliant sometimes. I mean -- sometimes.
Prost a second driver? Prost is always the first driver.
@@aydankhaliq2967 Yes of course, I meant team mates of Senna. Prost was his toughest team mate , then Gerhard, then ... maybe Mika for 3 races
Yes, they do have electronic aid. They can adjust manny parameters using these several knobs on the steering wheel (with the pit crew help) and also they can know where they are going faster or slower on the track just reading the telemetry sheets. It's not active electronic, but help them a lot.
Isso sim é corrida raiz .câmbio manual motor falando alto volante simples piloto dominando a máquina. kk
Espetacular!!!
Yes, but just the bost and sometimes a rustic brake balance. Today they can adjust the clutch, differential, brakes sensibility (not balance), fuel + air mix, torque, rpm limiter and even a different setup for different tyres diameters. Of course, all of this things are electronicly adjustable.
Questa era la vera F1 che nostalgia.
both physical inputs - gear shifts for example - as well as mental - don't wrap myself around an armco. Lap after Lap. different to modern F1. I know what I prefer ....
Merci.
There are a lot of these early to mid '90s in car videos on the net. Found them at an F-1 sight back in '09. Many of Shumacher up till '94 including, IMO, his greatest race. The '94 Spanish GP.
Great Sound
The quality of this footage is amazing: 4k UltraWidescreen back in the early 90s 😂
Why can't I find 25 min of onboard footage with Senna? I can't even find more than 2 min! WTF
Most probably Balestre and Prost burned down Senna archive :-)
@@xuxamelo they were gnawing ahaha