1450bhp F1 BMW Turbo
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- Опубліковано 22 бер 2013
- • BMW 1300BHP F1 Turbo
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BMW 4cyl 1.5lt Turbo on 5.6 bar boost with water injection and water spray
The most powerful final qualifying run of the legendary 1986 BMW powered F1 Turbo car.
215mph with highest down force, the best never ever to be repeated.
Stock block ! - Авто та транспорт
Unlimited boost turbo cars in Formula 1. Group B monsters in Rally. Group C endurance sportscars doing close to 400km/h on the Mulsanne straight at LeMans. The 80's were *crazy* . Where's my time machine?
ohyeahhh.....
there's one exeption, the 1991 le mans winner.
agreed
what car was that? 787b?
Bo Huggabee really? you're kidding me....
No, not really. The Group B cars are faster in a straight line. But today`s technology makes it much easier to hold speed while cornering. But if you were to take the Group B regulations in modern rally, who knows what monsters that would be bred. And that`s the point really, the regulations of the past let people go wild with tuning and invent completely new concepts. To think that a inovation from the 80s, would smoke 95% of the modern equivalent is basically just proof that open regulations is better from a innovative standpoint.
1,500 BHP from a turbo inline 4 cylinder. Insane!
Alongside rocket fuel, and turbochargers running at upto 5.5 bar of pressure, insanity!!
6 cylinders
@@lytee3720 According to Wiki, the BMW M12 and M13 was a 4 cylinder turbo engine. Other turbo engines of the era were 6 cylinder(like the Honda), the Alfa Romeos had a turbo V8.
@@alphabetaxenonzzzcat alright thanks, crazy engine 😱
2 Engines per race weekend per driver.
An On/Off radio switch would be Raikkonen's favorite item in this car ;)
"Just leave me alone ... I know what I'm doing."
Yep, definitely! :D
bwoah
He actually said he wished he would've been around F1 in the 70's and 80's
Steering wheel
love the run through from stewart, not a single "um or ah" clearly knows his stuff and i love hearing that type of detailed explanation
@Anal Creampie my point exactly
cs512tr the hallmark of a high performance individual.
He makes it all seem so easy to manage as he rattles away
It’s almost like the stuff he is talking about is labeled.
One ah was present
1450 bhp, 6 manual gears, no computer controls except your own self control.
Thems were the days.
+SomeYoungGuy Johnson forgoten
BadTrip
On the edge...like Gilles? :)
Thats how it is today, no traction control or other driver aids, they even race with more horsepower than back in the 80s. Remember they only had 1000+ hp in qualification. In race they were down to between 800-900 hp depending on which team and conditions.
Also it was 1350 hp as said in the video which was a calculated estimate, not 1450 hp.
Rottensteam
ok I see, I thought this was a qualifying vid. My bad.
The mid-80s were the pinnacle of motor racing. F1 with unlimited turbos, group A for touring cars, group B for rallying (oh my) and group C for endurance racing. Best time ever.
There's an untouchable, mystical quality to these 1980s F1 cars. They look so clean and the way they twitch and slide is magic, with the drivers having to constantly stay on top of them just to contain the fury of those turbo engines. Those cars were like a barely controlled explosion. I can't even imagine the skill needed to drive one, let alone to the limits of their grip.
So let me get this right......4 analogue gauges,2 digital gauges,2 warning lights,at least half a dozen switches,manual boost,brake bias and suspension control whilst trying to use a manual gearbox with 1450 bhp on tap!!!!!!!
BlandNutz That Ford engine didn't make anywhere near 1000bhp. more like 750; Cosworth was more concerned with reliability so restricted boost pressure significantly. The BMWs, Renaults, and Hondas hit 1k+BHP at qualifying trim.
Sounds fun
BlandNutz I’m pretty sure it’s a sequential gearbox
nope, it was an old school H-pattern.
BlandNutz and remember they didn't have power steering in the early 90's.
Man F1 has lost it, don't see mustaches like that anymore
Except for vettel
Top Gear proved that being under the influence of a mustache reduces your driving ability tho...
@@aydankhaliq2967 Look at the date of the comment though
Sebastian Vettel: hold my beer
Porridge boss, Vettel and Ricciardo
The ultimate F1 car would have 1986 power, 1992 tires, 1993 electronics and 2004 aero.
+gold333 1984 tires actually. Huge fat slicks RULEZ!
+gold333 what about Brabham BT46 aero?
+gold333 0r 1982 Aero. Wingcars.
mmmm sound good
+gold333 2008 aero ;) and 2011 blown and double diffuser
All teams had expensive motorsport engines, but for this 1450 hp engine BMW used a used M10 engine block with a mileage of 200,000 km. It's unbelievable but true.
Maybe mileage makes it better?
@@kerimca98 yes, because Engineblock tension in a used Block not exist.
1.5L making 1400+ HP.....mein gott...
Zach Haus The power of turbo charged engines ;)
of REAL Turbo Engines
not the shit today
Zach Haus Hydrolic valves too, as well at stroke reduction and super high compression.
11k RPM is pretty low, isn't it?
Stubbari For F1 yes....
Honda made a engine during the 90's that could safely run to 26k but with restrictions all F1 engines had to run at 20k
Funny how everything single thing Jackie Stewart explained is now illegal in Formula One.
Phillip kim its not funny....its sad!!!
Very sad how F1 isnt fun any more!
Except maybe disposable components for qualifying. What do they add to the sport except expenses for all teams?
I've trust recently started to get interested in F1 (it was always fun to watch, but much like any other sport, it's a lot more fun if you know the rules); can you tell me what specifically and why it's illegal in F1?
Occams Razor the driver can't change turbo boost, stiffness, balance etc.
You can't have two different engines for qualifications and race, both are made with one engine. Also qualifications tyres are baned too. You do qualifications in the same tyres compound as in the race.
This is from Channel 9 Australian TV... their famous 'Wide World of Sport' show.... they showed the whole Adelaide GP... all free to air... just fantastic viewing... brings back lots of memories... and what incredible cars!!!!!!! Today's cars are faster, more technologically advanced, safer... yadda yadda yadda... and they're STILL not as ballsy as these cars were.
I was there for that GP!!
The most amazing thing about the turbos (aside from the staggering amount of noise) was the smell.
The best way I can describe it was the smell of burning steel.
The engines were basically disintegrating in real time.
@@farmerbrown84 I was in Adelaide for the '88 GP (my first F1 race) ... we were doing some shopping in Rundle Mall on the Thursday morning and there was this really, really loud and persistent whine/buzz everywhere we went... I thought that there must have been some construction work going on ... the sound went right through your head... it took a while before I realised it was the F1 cars a few kilometres away doing free practice... our seats were about 300m up from the start line... I have never, ever heard or felt anything that loud as that full grid ... the V10's must have been even louder.
"Four lap special"
Yeah buddy, we need to bring this madness back in play!
No we don't
@@Spyker8921 From a monetary perspective I totally agree. That would be a terrible waste and would make racing harder for the smaller teams. From a regulatory view, or lack thereof, I am all for it. Innovation is F1's heritage and there is very little of that going on right now.
This car also has the title of the lightest ever Formula 1 car, according to google...without a doubt the craziest Formula 1 car ever made.
Imagine running that thing without any restrictions to aero. Shit would prob keep up with the 2000 V10s, maybe even the F2004
@@LukeTansiongco well yes. That is if it can last as long as those precious V10s.
@@LukeTansiongcoImagine if it had modern tires
Would keep up with the W11 at Monza
these are my balls, two identical balls, wrong again, the one on the left has a sticky compound, the one on the right set up to do the whole distance
These are two cars, two identical cars. Wrong again! The one on the left is from 2016, has no power, drives clinical as a train and has no sound at all while the car on the right is from 1986, has incredible power, spectacular wide rubber, sounds like a jet and is spitting flames.
kinetic static well done sir well done.
Charles Leax What do you mean no power?
The one on the left lasts 30 seconds for a one night pump and dump and the one on the right lasts 40 minutes for the right girl I aim to impress
lmao
These were real F1's... not like the electric powered slotcars we endure today
I agree, F1 is boring at the moment, I would rather watch the Wec races because at least their racing.
maverick buckley Why Maverick? Why is that whinging. Have you ever been to an F1 race or for that matter even seen the old turbo's?
I have seen most versions of F1 live... the current one is terrible.
Cheers
+maverick buckley lol
Who the hell even watch his new F1?
jeez, get with the times, everything is electric now.
you dont wish u still have your old brick phone instead your iphone do you?
we all love the pure mechanical cars, we all do. but you cant always live in the past.
Apparently the engine blocks were from high mileage road cars and were iron. They preferred those because all the thermal cycles made the block ideal for the high power.
That’s for the BMW motor I belive
Yes more weight but way more durable with heat cycling.
That IS interesting 🤔
Amazing how basic and pure the technology and racing seem compared to today. Yet at the time it was pushing the boundaries to beyond the limits. At that time they were probably saying it’s not as pure as the 60s yet today the 80s look raw
Idle at 6000RPM ;)
I know I laughed pretty hard at that. It's insane to think how far man has pushed such a simple thing as an internal combustion engine in only a 100ish years
+Brett Eloff good observation, they don't need precision under 6k, but over... hehehe
Idle at 4k
+Brett Eloff My car's rev limiter is at 5500rpm ._.
the v10s, at least some of them had the idle at 9000 rpm.
"Wrong again!" Jackie Stewart explains extremely well!
Incredible that these are 1.5 litre with 4 cylinders. The engine blocks were retrieved from scrapyards from BMW saloons.
imagine fitting that engine into a 1996 toyota corolla
@@fargeeks Or an old GT86. Oh yeah, now we're talking :)
@@fargeeks They would explode after few short kilometers at max setting.
I don't know how those cars could move that fast with the size of the driver's balls weighing it down so much
5.6 bar of boost, fook me that's 82PSI......................insane, this is the sort of shit that todays F1's need, bring back 1500bhp engines, manual gearboxes and ban any form of traction control, that will sort the men from the boys.
David Lyon there is not TC since 2008.
David Lyon traction control is already banned....
It wouldn't be reliable and tree huggers don't like how race cars aren't efficient enough. Soon racing will be neutered to people racing in prius'
David Lyon when F1 WAS F1.. Good old slicks, 40 degree celcius, high octane fuel, V12 WITH turbos, no abs, no traction, just pure skill
Eirik Mæhlum v12 turbos? never happened.
I wish there was a TV show of Jackie Stewart explaining all the different kinds of race cars in history and how to drive them fast. I'd binge watch that for days.
Amazing cars, the engineering was insane. This is what F1 is all about for me, pushing the limits of physics and drivers
Berger has controlled some truly crazy cars in his career
I hope F1 management realizes they're losing fans because of all the stupid regulations. If they made the cars safe but allowed all sorts of mechanical creativity I think it'd have a much larger following
Damn right my man. Bernie should have to drive in one of the old Ferrari F1's for ten laps... then we might just see a show again.
Considering all this isn't it good that F1 isn't controlled by Bernie anymore? Liberty Media, an American company, owns F1 today.
that isn't the reason they're losing fans......Nor is it that simple. Don't be dumb.
This is absolutely incorrect. Much of the regulation in F1 exists to encourage competition, and ensure that teams with less money can compete with teams with more money. If there were no limitations to what a team could do, the teams that spend a billion dollars a year would be in an entirely different league than teams spending closer to 100 million a year.
I read the comments and I hope you like only big 3 winning the races, no imagine 2 separate parts for qualy and race, only the big 3 would start a race, the cost is enormous this time with the regulations, there is no chance f1 would not work like that.
When the Benetton of Gerhard Berger exits a corner, I can feel the power of that car... True +1000 bhp sounds
A tachometer that doesn't read below 6K RPM. That says it all.
Indeed
Now to the boots.
Two identical boots.
Wrong again.
Now for the balls.
Identical.
Wrong! One hangs lower than the other, the left for qualifying, the other for the race.
One is for the right foot, and the other?.. for the LEFT foot...
One can walk for full race distance. The other can go only for four fast laps before it wears out
My right boot is normal, but the left? There's a snake in my boot!
Even Jackie would think that was funny!!
The skill of drivers in the old days is barely comprehensible
It makes the sport a lot more interesting IMO.
Did anyone else tear up watching these amazing F1 videos at the pure geniusness of it all? I was lucky enough to see this live as a kid and I'll never forget the sound.
Even modern day F1 cars have less HP. The v6 hybrid produces 720 HP and the ERS makes 300HP. Very close to if not exactly at 1,000HP. So even with that it still has 450 less. People were daredevils back then.
and the cars were very basic, requiring much more physical effort to wrangle and keep on the track. The steering is so incredibly smooth and precise on the modern cars, sort of like riding a bucking bronco vs. a cheetah haha.
That's just not true. The ERS is 160hp.
@@Spyker8921 Don’t blame me, I’m not an expert.
Well, that's only kind of true. The current V6 hybrids can output those kind of figures over a race distance. While these 80's turbo engines only made those over 1000hp figures in qualifying trim and would blow up if driven over 5 laps. They were tuned way down for races. Most of them in the range of 700-950 hp in race trim.
@@kekkonenprkl Yep you’re right max boost would not last that long.
Came for the 1,500bhp F1 car, but took a trip down memory lane with Mike Gibson - and his outstanding use of the word ‘Shanghai’ which in early 80s Australia was a slang term for a ‘Y’ shaped branch you’d cut out of a tree, linked together a bunch of thick elastic bands with a piece of tyre inner tube cut out for a pouch, and used it to sling rocks at various objects in the bush!! Or a 1,500bhp engine slinging an F1 car down a wide street in Adeliade…
A slingshot?
@@air_ yep - in Australia we called them a Shanghai. I’ve no idea why. We just did.
@@air_ yep - they got called a slingshot as well - but also a Shanghai. No idea why.
@@Revheadrev
Were those slingshots yellow or made out of rice?
The deadliest Era in f1 but boy wouldnt it be something to go back and watch. These cars were insane, and the guys who tried taming them were even more insane. Hell they weren't diving, they were riding.
keith murray Deadliest? Giles died in 82r. Elio died in practice in 86. Thats two deaths in turbo F1 cars. Most died last 60s and 70s in N/A cars. INfact the ford cosworth v8 DFV powered omething like 98% of all F1 and F3000 deaths.
triptechable I meant to say one of the deadliest era's in f1, not the worst. 60's-70's were definitely alot worst.
The deadliest era in f1 was in the 60s and early 70s. 1976 was the first full season without a driver fatality, then the slowly stopped becoming normality after 82 the wasn't a death in f1 for 12 years until imola, 1994.
keith murray It wasn't all that exciting to watch, I remember dreaming about the 70's when people would actually pass and the cars sounded like race cars.
crusherbmx I garauntee it was more exciting than today's racing just saying.
the JPS Lotus was one of the best looking cars.
When cars used Rocketship fuel. When Senna made a car dance. What a time that had to be for F1.
What a man sir Jackie Stewart is, that's a man who knows his craft alright
I wonder how this car went when Allan got back in it after Jackie screwed up all his boost, brake and roll centre settings lol.
Track Days. Haha
Track Days. Hahaha, yeah, was wondering myself. They probably had the settings written down.
jackie probably fixed it, he is well known for being very involved in the setup of his cars. Also a 3 time wdc, vs only 1 for alan jones. PS chill i'm just trolling.
Haha I was thinking that too messing with those knobs like it’s no big deal
They know their settings, LOL! You don't play around to set them, it's a science.
I remember the turbocharge era pretty well in the 1980's and I went to the Montreal GP every year back then. Todays F1 cars sound like lawnmowers!
lawnmowers sounds far better than present F1 cars
That's an insult to lawnmowers😂
10:11 real 1000 horsepower noises
2nd and 3rd gear = uncontrollable
Pffft its easy, you just need an accelerator with 3-4 foot of travel.
In every way the 80´s were THE best time in motorsport history.
Certainly in terms of B.B.C. commentary. How I miss Walker & Hunt !
i dunno, most motorcycle-motorsports have advanced a great deal since the 80's
True words
Except for superbike racing. Right now the Isle of Man TT is breaking the lap record almost every single year. The rate of development is ridiculous.
EXACTLY
this was a golden era, just like the V4 GP-500 2 stroke years
About 3785 hp per metric tonne...
The car weighed 555kg.
Hypercar
@@antonman1234 A bit more...
@@WynnofThule more then double of a hypercar :D
x=1450(hp)*1000(kg)/555(kg)=2612hp per 1 metric tonne.
2610
Loved the cockpit tour. As a relatively new F1 fan this was very enlightening. Wish I had been born/paid attention earlier in life.
This is madness. Wish I was around to watch it live.
I was at this race. They all sounded rough on day one. Getting progressively smoother and faster each session. The sound was unforgettable.
Alot of people didnt get this. In that era, there isn't a fuel flow limit. Teams run their engines in quali at its maximum with horrible thermal efficiency, hoping the thermal capacity of the coolant would hold up for a hot lap.
Today's v6t can reach a thermal efficiency of ~50%, while normal road cars reach 38%. That means *OVER 50%* of the chemical energy of the fuel converted to mechanical energy with the rest dumped at heat.
Not sure if you know that another reason for additional fuel is to help cool the combustion chamber, thus the black smoke during qualifying..
@@zetecryt some idiots would think that those f1 cars were rolling coal
This BMW motor was the granddaddy of the N54/N55. Just a high boost monster BMW engine
this f1 engine is based of m10 engine, which is fitted on bmw 1500, 1600, 2000, 2002, e12, e21, e28 and e30 series, i know about a formula car having this m10 engine inside, produces 750hp on n/a...n54 will not support this anyway, as we said, grandpa's ar the best!
Synchronizing turbo’s while driving a 1450hp sleeping bag. 😂
Can't compare today's turbo F1 to the magic of the first time around, not by a long shot. But nevertheless, anyone who says lack of cylinder count or engine displacement is the problem should be forced to study up on this era. There are any number of things that are disappointing about F1 now, but don't tell me it can't be good with small, 4- and 6-cyl engines; we've already seen that it can be.
Exactly. I love how so many tout the sounds of this era of engine and then mistakingly call them V10/12's.
Or bring up "driver aids" making the cars of today easier to drive proving they almost certainly dont watch F1 since all aids have been banned for years now.
@Anal Creampie You might want to read the reply _right_ above yours
The Problem is its hard to drive and 1.6l highly boosted turbo engine with an 2 second turbolag^^ i like it but other dont.
Yup, the F1 cars of 2020 is much, much faster on the tracks. Cornering, G forces, brakes and handling. Today we see flat out +200mph cornering. Those old cars would spin off at 100mph,- and kill the driver.
@@jrnmadsen2710 None of the tracks are the same. Some of these cars are still being driven. With modern tire compounds the 80s Quattro absolutly demolished the modern quattro by more than a second. I wouldnt doubt some of these F1 monsters would give modern cars a good fight.
Fantastic audio captured from this Channel 9 Broadcast. Wow.
Don't worry. We have 1.6l v6's............
Thats like saying "Dont worry everything will be... RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!"
Yea.....Pretty much :P
:D..........
Which are incredibly advanced and efficient and also have a enormous amount of power from such a minuscule capacity (650-700hp)... Not to mention the turbo and Energy Recovery System's in place to make up the complete power unit (additional 180-200hp). This is complete sarcasm of course!!! HAHA This is the future, like it or not... Unfortunately this is the way F1 is going... But the technology now is amazing, you have to admit... With F1 presently, it's always a win/lose situation :(
Nothing like these cars!
I love the exhaust plume under boost. Reminds me of a jet fighter engaging after burner :)
they were called pilots back then
The 'swarm of bees' as it was often called...
Cause it is. The fuel used for qualifying, its chemistry is very rich in toluene. Its almost like napalm just a few ingredients away.
@@jannadrielcervo7753 What diesel and aluminium salts? Not sure that would run well.
Overfuelling
Likely helps keep temps down whilst turbo is cramming in as much air that will fit in and out
When F1 cars had round steering wheels...
When F1 steering wheels actually looked like a steering wheel
looked more like an old school fighter jet.
A very very old-school fighter! Full 1950s Chuck Yeager stuff.
MAN I love the 80's turbo cars, the old huge gauges mostly analog and everythings manual. These cars were so grunty and wild, scraping the ground and bucking around.
For me pure f1 is on the v10 era. The v12 were hella beasts, but for me the v6 turbos were just ruthless undriveable machines
Imagine a V10 turbo
Extra undrivable
Sir Jackie failed to show the huge fan under the seat that was used to keep the driver’s gigantic balls cool.
the teams also had to weld a steel plate under the seat to support their massive weight.
Now these were propper f1 cars .
They look retarded as hell, just like 90% of open wheel cars.
1300 bhp, and changing gear manually. I’d imagine your hands are full just trying to keep the thing pointing the right way without having to take your right hand off to constantly change gear. These things were brutal, todays drivers wouldn’t like this stuff.
These drivers are on a completely different level
I'm sure some of todays drivers would be more than capable of acclimatising to this stuff.
People seem to forget that modern drivers experience a lot more G-force across a race weekend. Today's rivers are also much healthier, fitter and train a lot harder than their predecessors
(although they would need to work on their arms a little).
Also, don't forget that drivers today are much more experienced with multitasking, most people can't even comprehend the amount of controls available in modern F1 cars or the amount of technical adjustments a driver needs to make throughout a single lap.
So perhaps they wouldn't like it... but they would be able to do it. Still, bravo to the guys that drove these cars. 1986 was a crazy year for the turbo; in F1 and in Rally (with that Group B madness)
@@harrybaldwin7517 😂😂 these soft guys would cry how dangerous it is that they have to grab the wheel with 1 hand while shifting and rail the car into barrier the first corner they try to go fast, not to mention their brown underpants from having to drive a beast trying to kill them
@@strammerdetlefkeep living in your little fantasy world old man
@@Boxscot49 soft kid triggered much 😂
Murray walker and James Hunt iconic.
Back when F1 was actually fun to watch! Yes it really was!
Jackie Stewart was so good on channel 9 as a special comments....
Facing death on almost every corner
Boys in 2020 have it sooo easy. Nothing to worry about, just drive. The old school guys had to handle all that power, switch gears AND keep an eye on engine parameters so they don't overdo it.
The days when anti-lag was fuel dumped in the exhaust manifold and a spark plug to ignite it.
dude thats a great idea for street cars, i bet if you cancel the egr system, weld a o2 sensor bung on the manifold, it happends to be the same exact size and treads than a spark plug, use an old ig coil to ignite the unburnt fuel, generally a/f is very rich before boost kicks in at wot, im sure its enough fuel to not need any injector
Why didn't they have a supercharger to take up the lag and one huge turbo?
Was it a weight or space issue? Or both?
@@retrocompaq5212 Yep, I misremember. When the driver lifts his foot from the gas pedal, the ignition timing is altered with sometimes 40° or more of delay (retard) and the intake air and fuel supply mixture is made richer. The inlet butterfly is kept slightly open or an air injector, bypassing the inlet butterfly, is used to maintain air supply to the engine. This results in air/fuel mixture that keeps getting in the combustion chambers when the driver no longer accelerates. The ignition being severely delayed, the air/fuel mixture reaches the exhaust tubes mostly unburned. When the spark plug fires, the exhaust valve is starting to open due to the ignition delay mentioned above. Additionally, the exhaust temperature being extremely high, the unburned fuel explodes at the contact of the exhaust tubes. Luckily the turbo sits right there and the explosion keeps it turning (otherwise it would slow down since its intake, the exhaust gases, is cut-off)
@@JoshPhoenix11 Superchargers have massive parasitic loss, hence why no real performance vehicles use compound boosting. Its extremely inefficient and only good for looking cool.
Drag cars disagree.@@MVSTNGGT
Some scary shit. Berger goes through his five gears in a matter of seconds while accelerating. No time to take your hand of the gear lever.
That crazy bastard was one handing the wheel in a 1400+ horsepower car
i hope he was using HIS hand, not mine
legend has it that these cars had to have so much power to carry the insane weight of the balls that the drivers had
andrewesquivel gave me a chuckle
Always impressive when a tach doesn't even register until six thousand RPM
10:22 acceleration is devilish !!
That’s pretty impressive for a dyslexic Sir Jackie!
"Same as a jet engine" Everything was said!
Stumbled upon this. Lived in Adelaide during those Adelaide GP years and went to every one bar one. It brought back some wonderful memories. Thanks so much for putting this up. Pity the cars today weren't more like these. Pity the Australian (Melbourne) GP circuit is not more like this true gritty street circuit that Adelaide was.
Never got to see the race in Adelaide but Albert park is very hard to find a good spot to watch the action.
Where in Adelaide did you live?
Adelaide only lost the GP because of tobacco advertising regulations. So unbelievable to see this much power with no traction control and stupid flappy paddle gear changes. I used to watch tjese races when I was in high school.
Cameron Webster ...Adelaide lost the GP because of political ineptitude and indecision, not tobacco laws... They actually adjusted the law so it didn't effect the GP... Adelaide should have become the Monaco of the South keeping the race here forever and even becoming a night race...A tragedy I will NEVER forgive the S.A Government for.....
Great days in F1
10:15 wow now look at that!
Sideways with 1400hp!
You can see the car kicking and wagging the whole time, they had steel nerves to control these beasts
Man, I am all goosebumps watching this!! Clouds of unburnt fuel, flame'age, crazy boost, 4 lap engines, turbo's and gearboxes, on the edge of control, THIS is F1, not the BS nonsense we suffer today!
Omg I miss those two guys Murray Walker and James Hunt...
Was that the same James Hunt who won a championship?
@@n0tepad yeah
Totally agree...I don’t even watch F1 these days. You can trace the decline in interest (for me anyway) to when MW packed it in.
No one:
Sir Jackie Stuart:
WRONG! The one on the left is capable of 80 laps, the one on the right just 4 fast laps!!!!
?
@@krispy3790 WRONG! The one on the left is capable of 48 laps, the one on the right is a qyalifying special and will last only 4 laps
Everyting was manual. I loved it.
I appreciate Marlboro ciggys with my Motorsports
Inline-4 beating the V6 at the same displacement...both being 1.5 liter turbo'd. Probably less torque but superior top end power. Better sound too...
Less parasitic losses on the 4.
@@bruces3613 theirs a shit ton more
@@joebone3151 Do you know what parasitic losses are? Mechanical friction and oil windage. Less rotating assembly, bearings, pistons, valve train = less frictional losses
Chad V6 hybrid makes reliable 900+HP in race, 1000+HP in qually. They can last the entire season. Virgin big turbo I4 last 5 laps at max setting and then explode, makes 600-800 (or less) in race for reliability.
@@amin7581The four is at 80psi. I doubt the 6 is doing that.
They just sacrificed reliability for power. Its not big brain really. But im sure they knew what they were doing.
Ahhh the good old days with real drivers and race cars
W R O N G A G A I N !
In Gran Turismo Sport, there's different F1-cars available, including a classic +1000hp one with about the same cockpit as the one in the video.
When you drive it without traction control (or any other help), you get an idea of how difficult it would have been to keep complete control of such beasts AND win a race! :)
I do 2 laps in that thing and I'm tired.
The rear end wants to slide out when boost kicks in
Jackie Stewart a true Scottish fighter pilot
Wow i love when Jackie Stewart explains something. Every thing he says sinks in immediately 👍
Jackie Stewart always came across as very insightful. I've heard some of his commentary on races and he's excellent.
@James Tudor Jackie Stewart was the one, explaining the car
what a handfull ! ..the shift points are whenever the tyres break loose. !
This is what f1 should be now. In-line 4 and 6 engines with turbos and battery packs. They sound way better. Sure they stress more but who cares.
I don't think it would be convenient for the teams, it would be cool but i don't think it could happen because of that
When anyone asks you about the "Glory Days" of F1, show them this, please.
Todays f1 cars are hair driers compared to these.
Still so much faster..
What are you smoking? You're talking about power to weight ratios. These 1.5 liter engines produced over 1200hp in qualifying with boost well over 55 pounds per square inch. They make today's f1 engines look like dingleberries. And where did you get +160 hp electrical pass boost? KERS is half of that. 80hp max! Where do you get your facts, child?
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These cars revved higher. Hence the 'better' sound.
The current Turbo era in F1 are officially stated the most powerful engines ever in the sport. All due to their fuel efficiency. They use a minuscule amount of fuel to create and produce a full revolution of the crankshaft. Also, the current 2016 PU output is close to 1000BHP mark. The Turbo I.C.E, outputs 800-850BHP and the ERS produces a further 150-200BHP. The energy harvested from braking and the turbo, allows them to store more energy in the batteries which therefore transfers more power to the I.C.E and turbo.
Also, take into consideration the the current PU are heavily regulated and restricted, compared to the late 80's. Their fuel-flow rate significantly hampers their full power output potential, along with the turbo boost settings.
Along with the fact that the current F1 engines rev only to 11-11.5k to control their fuel consumption. As they are significantly restricted with their fuel capacity per GP.
Efficiency and reliability is all that matters in the newer era's of F1. The current Formula could be the fastest ever (faster than the 2004 dominant beasts) but, FIA like to always go slower as the years go on, by altering aero, chassis, weight etc...
This shows again, how ridicolous Formula 1 has become nowadays..
+slasha86 Indeed!
yep, just like WWE..
seacow1970 You are right. But this don't change the fact that F1, during those days, was slightly more thrilling. My opinion.
matteo io we need wcw and ecw back with the dudes chucking weapons at each other and interrupting each other matches for no reason and f*cking divas back stage when mfers was up next to fight
not jsut the cars the coverage, i mean fashion shows mid race, and female hosts talking about how F1 is not just about cars LMAo that about sums it up..btw I LOVE girls but in general men are more into cars..
Back before all those electronic gizmos.
Real car. Amazing technology.
That pinky ring is serious
That's insane that these men were able to tame these beasts to any level. Just an immense, immense amount of power in a lightweight car.
And manual transmission on these days, without traction control , abs or esp
@@bombacimulayim1453Or any regards to safety! I miss the turbo era 😢
@PanzerChicken69 Because everyone wants to see drivers dying horrible deaths, huh? A lot of the people praising this era for "little downforce, Manual transmission, no assists and no fancy safety features!!" Weren't even alive to see it in person. I myself wasn't, and I don't see why anyone misses the huge disregard for human life that was prevalent across all of motorsport back in the day, it took F1 50 years to make a decent amount of progress towards safety, and lots of drivers had to die for that to happen, it's insane how people can romanticize the lack of safety so much, but I guess it's easy when it's not your life that's being risked.
@@LaCreatura-uz2gn Humans die eventually. Drivers choose thos job. Nobody chains them to the driver seat. if they die it's solely their fault.
@bombacimulayim1453 Just because humans die eventually it doesn't mean it's right to throw safety out of the window because everyone dies some day, that's a horrible take. Nobody forced people to work in horrible conditions in the 1910s but everyone agrees that workers' rights were a good thing and that workplace safety is a great achievement for humanity, Motorsports is no different, no one forces them to drive, but that doesn't mean safety isn't needed. Was it Senna's fault his steering column failed? Was it Anthoine Hubert's fault he got T-boned? Was it Jules Bianchi's fault the race took place during a hurricane and a tractor was on the track with no safety car? Was it Dilano's fault it was raining too hard for a race to take place safely? None of those drivers were to blame for their deaths, and I could go on. I don't think any sane person would blame them for their accidents, and I really hope you don't agree with the absurd idea that casualties in Motorsports are exclusively the drivers' fault and that the people responsible for making the important decisions have no responsibility for anything.
1986 was F1's peak. It went downhill after 1986 despite the cars went faster thanks to evolution.
It's evolving,just backwards
How? The 90s and 2000s were some amazing times including early 2010s
Same with rally, group b was amazing. They should've just kept the cars and evolved them. Its boring watching motorsports when every car looks and performs the same.
Back then, there were not much action and overtaking like nowadays.