It seems to me that the Taycan 4 CT does pretty much everything nearly as well as the Turbo we had in Europe. The suspension / braking options made more of a difference in everyday driving than the acceleration boost. Would you pony up the extra $ to spec a 4S or higher trim? Or just go with the nearly perfect base car with good suspension options, and forego the insane acceleration.
I would get the 4, upgrade the wheels. More power wont likely get used and the $$$ difference isn't worth it. Since it's a daily driver this will do more than almost any other car. Plus you get the option to drive it like a sports car at times. I look at this like the Audi A4 Allroad versus the RS6. I daily drive the Allroad and with APR tune its a perfect daily. Plus I get 35mpg on highway and in dynamic mode I can drive backroads very spirited.
This is really the dilemma. Especially in the CT range since they all come with the other base goodies like the bigger battery, all wheel drive and air suspension. I know when I was building my CT4 I was dancing around the 4S model but ultimately couldn't justify the silly cost increase for straight line performance. Like you I've had a performance model S, and after the initial novelty, you really just want a solid daily with the right creature comforts. Plus, the CT4 in the end is still no slouch.
definitely the 4S. Its still reasonably priced and you really feel the power difference. Tried the turbo 3 weeks ago and the difference in power was smaller to 4s than from Base to 4s
I think we are going nuts, 5¨ 0 to 60 is not fast??? Do you really need 1,9¨0 to 60? I'm not in a hurry, I just want transportation and having a good time and this thing delivers both at a reasonable price.
I agree. The ridiculous 0-60 times are unnecessary. Our Audi Q5 diesel feels quick to me and it's 0-60 time is 6.4 seconds. You dont need anything quicker than 5 seconds unless you are racing your car for youtube views. What I really want if we are talking speed and power, is the ability to pass someone on the interstate. That 40-80 mph burst is more important to me. That's what gets you out of dangerous situations.
I doubt it... I think she knew what she was getting in to there (not to be mistaken for having a wonderful time)... But I liked her there to see her hair move, as it showed how he was taking the turns, stopping, etc. :-)
The Base Taycan (either sedan or CT) with air suspension, rear axle steering, PSCB brakes, and thermal insulated glass is almost impossible to differentiate from a turbo/S in 99% of everyday driving situations.
Maybe I drive a bit hard then, I would feel it instantly, and at least in 10-20% of my everyday driving. If I have an acceleration to do, I let all of those sweet horses out. And they do enjoy themselves. An believe me it's far from just straight line, and traffic light battles. It's just so much more agile when you got all that power readily available. I would not buy anything below 4S. But at the same time turbo S is not worth all that extra money over the Turbo. Both have the same amount of HP while driving, and you cannot tell the difference without launching them. But from the base to the turbo there's a huge gap, and you feel that extra power all the time. But if you're in "driving ms. Daisy" mode, and try to not spill any coffee from a full cup of coffee with no lid on, then sure. They feel 99% the same.
"It's not impressively fast..." It is, it's just not normal anymore how high the bar has been set with BEV. We should really rethink how fast a car needs to be. It's ridiculous that even cars that accelerate to 60 in less than 6-7 sec are already perceived as slow by testers.
@@raydoherty5419 Well - not according to Bjørn Nyland, Chris Rifa, "Carmaniac" or "Battery Life" channels. TeslaBjörn admit Tesla has a pore ride, compared to the cars i mentioned. Check the channels - Björn is a Teslaboy, but he admits the Tesla is noisy and fast going straight, but when it comes to dynamic curves, and pleasent suspension, Tesla can't compet.
Yeah, I can definitely spec this car at close to $105k with options for all I need or want.... Rear-wheel steering and PDCC are mostly cash cows for Porsche that don't vastly improve anything...
Even without all these expensive gadgets, a base Taycan model still is lightyears better to drive than an akward looking Model 3 or Y! It steers, drives and brakes like a true Porsche, even without rear wheel steering. By the way: the current "Cannonball EV record holder" is the Taycan 4S, which shows that even in the USA, where Tesla still has an advantage with much more Superchargers, the Porsche Taycan is as good or even quicker as the Tesla models at a long distances. With Porsche 800 volt charging technology and up to 270 kW of charging power, the Taycan models are unbeatable when it comes to DC fastcharging. Here in Germany, it's absolutely no disadvantage at all, that you can't use Tesla Superchargers as a Porsche customer. The DC charging networks here in Germany are growing fast and every DC fast charger has quicker charging times than the fastest Tesla Supercharger. In my eyes charging another 100 kilometers of range in just 5 minutes charging time with the Taycan 4 is more important, than having more range capability with a Tesla. Which 99% of EV customers won't need at all for their daily driving. Porsche Taycan charging technology at the end is faster, even at longer distances! Therefore charging the Porsche Taycan regularly at DC fast chargers won't be the most important thing for 99% of its customers too, who will charge their Porsche Taycan at the wallbox charger at home in the garage, over night and every day, with a maximum charging time from 0-100% in just 4.5 hours with the optional Porsche 22 kW wallbox.
Lexie at 13:15 is holding her stomach and forcing a smile while she searches the floor for a used Walgreen's plastic bag. I think the car is fast enough. :)
I do really like the Cross Turismo and have spent way too many hours on the configurator trying to determine the minimum spec I could deal with. For the price, it does seem like the 4 should offer the same power/acceleration as the 4S currently does. It also bugs me that for such a long and wide car, the interior room (both passenger and cargo capacity) is slightly worse than some compact crossovers. And to both of those points, I am really curious to see the pricing and specs on the Macan EV when its released. I can't see the "S" version of that being slower than this car, and I can't imagine that it'll have a starting price too far above the current gas version. If it has the same fast charging as this, with likely more range I think it will be hard to justify the CT4 just to get slightly better handling. Makes me wonder if the facelift version of this car will be upgraded in terms of range/performance to give it some breathing room with the Macan EV. TL;DR I think it's worth waiting for the Macan EV and then deciding which to buy.
@@peterhammer6915 yes I admit that I don’t care for the current macan styling either. I guess I’m more curious to see if Porsche bumps up the range and performance of the taycan once the macan ev is introduced
@@richardh3587 I dont know about range. We drove from Stockholm to South Germany and drove around the Alps for 3 weeks. Never any issue with range. Enough Ionitys or similar fast charge. I got 500 km in the summer, thats plenty enough for my Taycan 4s. At home in Finland zero issues either.
I have a Macan and have owned a Sport Turismo. I prefer the wagon style to the "crossover SUV" style of the Macan but prefer more ground clearance than the ST provides; for me, the CT4 is almost a perfect cross between the too-low Sport Turismo and the Macan. What I like about the CT4 (vs. CT4S) is that you can keep the cost under $100k and not lose much at all. The Macan will probably benefit from more cargo space and cheaper cost to buy/own. But, like you, I'm planning to wait for the Macan BEV before deciding on that vs. the CT4; there are still too many bugs in the current Taycans that need ironing out by Porsche for me to invest that kind of money in their all-too-new BEV offerings.
"... the interior room is slightly worse than some compact crossovers". Well, this is a PORSCHE... man! What do you expect from the Taycan? Having the most interior space, as a Porsche? You buy a Porsche Taycan because of its driving capabilities, because of its styling and shape, but not because of its interior space in first place. The interior space in the Cross Turismo is totally acceptable and much better than in the "normal" Taycan version. Why do you complain? You just can't have it all with a Porsche Taycan, because it's still a sports car or a very sporty electric GT.
I ordered exactly that with nice wheels. Some Gloss black wrap on the fender flares and it looks *exactly* like the Turbo or Turbo S inside and out. The acceleration just isnt worth $30-35k
@@chrisnolke I didn’t see the gloss black wrap option. I wish there were a painted option that I could just PPF with the other panels after purchase. We’ve all seen cladding give way to UV faster than paint and the wrap has to be a better choice. 👍🏼
Nobody needs to guess anything. When there is no badge then everyone (except a few who can spot the subtle differences in brake calipers and discs) will think it’s the base model. 99,99% of turbo and turbo S owners keep the lettering 😉
All I want is range, range, range and ALL the qualities of the vehicle. Ergonomics, design, appearance, seats, build quality, etc, etc. Most electric cars are plenty quick enough. 0-100 is pointless now. There are so many speed cameras now in Australia that you will loose you licence in the first week of owning the cars. Love the Taycan Cross Turismo. Awesome all-rounder. Greetings from Australia. Your videos are excellent Kyle. Your charging videos are particularly excellent. Keep up the great work. Cheers.
265 kW regen you say!!! Wow I though my Bolt’s ~70 kW regen was great. Compared to our old rear wheel drive Tesla’s regen the Bolt is great. Would love to take a Taycan out for a spin, thanks Out of Spec!
I am currently driving the Tesla Model 3 SR + and waiting for my Taycan CT4. How can you compare the acceleration and the performance? Which vehicle feels faster? If you compare the bare numbers, the Taycan CT should be a bit faster. How are you feeling?
"Which vehicle feels faster"... Really, this is getting more and more irrelevant and ridiculous, buddy! First of all, a Tesla isn't a "race car" at all, and reaching your country speed limit in under 4 seconds feels kind of irrelevant to me. Much more important for all these fucking heavy EVs is having driving capabilities despite all this weight. Which the Porsche Taycan 4 Cross Turismo certainly has, because it's a Porsche! It drives, steers and brakes like a Porsche, whereas Teslas are just like batteries on wheels, with just one-trick-pony acceleration capability (until overheating the battery after only short Autobahn runs, like here in Germany...), paired with the shittiest build quality in the industry... But this is nothing new from Tesla.
@@Porsche1969 The hyperfocus on 0-60 acceleration within the BEV community is getting ridiculous in my opinion. In what kind of everyday situation do you need to accelerate to 60mph in less than 3 seconds?
@@maxmensch8910 Exactly! All these acceleration fetish blah blah has to stop! Because much more important for an EV are NVH capabilities for example. For my taste, an EV has to be almost silent inside, like the Mercedes EQS for example. This EV needs 3.5 seconds from 0-100 km/h, which is still crazy fast ("but theTesla Model S is much quicker bla bla blah..."), but all the other things are more important in this car, like its steering, the noise insulation, materials, build quality. Even the Porsche Taycan and Audi e-tron GT have a dead silent noise level in the interior and a fantastic build quality. Teslas must be ashamed, compared to the quality level of these German competitor EVs. Also driving capabilities of EVs, due to a very low center of gravity, are much more important for me, than all this stupid 0-60 mph acceleration bullshit, which can get even boring very quickly. Therefore Tesla models are absolutely boring, at least for my taste, because they have just this one trick pony character but nothing more.
I own a model 2021 3 Sr+ lfp (I'm based in Europe) and I have driven the Tycan 79kwh rear wheel drive and acceleration feels slower than the Tesla. I too am purchasing a Tycan Sport Turismo, my brain says the Tesla is better but the Porsche is a beautiful car and and I see it as a milestone in life.
I know you've repeatedly stated it, but when spec'ing a CT for order, I was really surprised at the $$$ difference between the CT, CT4S, Turbo, and S. Of course I'd love a Turbo, and I could, in theory, afford it. There's a 991.1 Turbo S in the garage. But a nicely equipped CT is actually $125k, a 4S $150k, a Turbo $185k, and the Turbo S $209k. 95% of the configuration is exactly the same except the acceleration, slightly the range, and whether the fender flares are gloss or matte. It's REALLY hard to justify $35k for the extra acceleration and glossy flares of the Turbo. I couldn't.
@@cbatiau2528 haha, speak for yourself. I find it easy to get to 125k on the CT4 configurator. To be fair though, I am just dreaming and not seriously considering a purchase. But I can understand that some people will want all of the bells and whistles and perhaps a costlier leather interior.
@@cbatiau2528 yeah, I'm sorry but when actually ordering a car for years to come, it is really really hard to build it as cheaply as you think. I couldn't. If you're spending $125k on a car, it BETTER be insanely well equipped.
You have a awesome job👍. Keep up with the great videos. I really like seeing someones option other then brain washed Tesla fan boys giving no credit to any other evolving EV car and tech companies. All the cars you have shown lately have their upsides and downsides but these videos really help with seeing the pros and cons. Thanks
This is definitely the only Taycan I'll consider buying, and I'm leaning towards getting it (the CT4); my limit is breaking the $100k barrier... One thing that nobody including you (Kyle) brings up is how much better the rear-window visibility is with the CT vs. the Taycan sedan. The rear-window view out the Taycan is very poor, and it seems to me from these videos that you have 50-100% more visibility out the rear window in the CT. Please comment on this in your next CT video...
Yeah, sure... "rear window view out of the Taycan" is one of the most important things of a sporty EV. If you just want "as much as possible glass over its shoulder line", you should buy a fugly and boring SUV, buddy!
Would you rather have a model S or Taycan if you would be buying a car for 100k or 130k (Model S long range vs Taycan 4 and Model S plaid vs Taycan 4S)?
Love such videos, keep coming.... and here they goes 11:43...... In normal driving, the suspension and brake settings made a bigger effect than the acceleration boost.You have a awesome job and i'm very jealous. lol
Wagons have always been my ride. MB300td 1985. 500+ mileage. Now Prius V Wagon. Love it! Hybrid is my choice no interest in all w electric.. too many outside charging station problems.. gas + hybrid great for living suburbs Atlanta. 40 _ 47 normal mileage. Lady looking bored and disinterested
The fastest production car in the world in 1980 was the Ferrari Berlinetta Boxer or Lamborghini Countach, with a 0 to 60 of about 5.5 seconds. Here in 2023, a relatively accessible family car like this one and we're saying 5 seconds isn't quick?
usually, used CT4 with more options are priced way better than 4s with less spec... so you're telling me... get the 4. save the money. i will soon find out, test drive weekend with a CT4 (albeit gen2) will come up... REALLY looking forward to that.
The problem is not the number, the problem is that its a slow Porsche. Note that that number is to 60 it gets progressively slower after that. A Porsche with a 14 second 1/4 is a true suck.
I a curious about this question of fast enough. Especially in the US. There are only a few states where you can drive legally over 80mph. I honestly think it should just be a footnote. I think more American's buying EV care about range and ease of charge. Oh and how much luggage. I rarely see a reviewer showing full size bags for trips. The launch speed gets old. Still like this cars design.
its all about the mine is faster competition, you're right anything that goes 0-60 under 4 seconds is too quick for main road use. Thats why Tesla's sell well here in NA people see the 0-60 numbers and they're sold
I dont know, i barely ever am pinning my model Y, and for the money your going to save you're still getting the porsche goodness in almost every way. I'd go wit this version and save the like 25 grand. How often are you really doing the straight line acceleration?
I think it boils down to one thing. People who really don't care that much about acceleration, and people who do. Biggest reason to get a Porsche should always be epic handling performance. So for that reason you should always get the driving bits first. And even though the Taycan is pretty sharp to begin with, I think it's such a better drivers car with PDCC. So I would get that even on a 4 I think. Now, I am one of those into acceleration, so I would neven settle in with a base model Taycan. That would feel way too slow for what I'm used to, and expect from my car. I would need a few years to get used to a car with 0-60 in about 5 seconds. I know that's fast in 2010-2015 terms, but you got to remember that it's for the most part all about the G-forces and not the time it takes to get up to speed, and ICE cars that are doing 0-60 in 5 seconds will feel far quicker, because they will pull a lot harder when they pull. EVs pull in a very linear way. So for people into acceleration the CT 4 will not be suffisient. For people not into acceleration, it will be more than capable of what they need it to be. Overtaking should be no problem. And it will probable be faster than what they used to drive.
If you were driving seriously: 1) you would use both hands on the wheel and 2) you would be WAY above the State speed limit and 3) the girlie would be either A) totally in awe of your skills or B) screaming for it to end.
I do feel the 4S CT is a sports car vs the base 4CT is a car that looks and handles like a sports car. If the added acceleration of the 4S was only 10k more then it would be a no brainer but that’s not the reality of the matter. 17k extra for the faster acceleration of the 4S is a hard pill to swallow.
It's hard to beat a Taycan for road tripping speed. Mustang Mach-E GT Performance is fun to drive and looks super cool for a fraction of the price but it'll be slower cross country.
@@bestofalllife umm what? I have two Tesla’s and the quality is great. I get the materials in this Porsche are nicer but I am not paying $30K more for a car that’s worse in every way just to enjoy a slightly softer door top.
@@raydoherty5419 Except it isn’t worse in every way, did you even watch the video? Also, glad you like your Tesla as its all about personal choice, personally I think they look dull as dishwater.
Love this model...hate the cladding. in order to lose the cladding, you have to jump 30k to the GTS...all to get a clean look in this model. Range just too low for this price also.
Only thing I dislike about Porche spec is the picking of EVERYTHING for the car. You have to think about resale too for what you pick. Vs say a Tesla that only has a few selections. I'd always worry if I've got the best selections for my money
That's actually one huge plus for me about Porsche -- that you can get mostly what you want and can not get what you don't want... One downside to the CT4 in America is that they give the glass roof standard (in Europe it's an option, and I want the metal roof)...
Of course this is one of the big advantages with Porsche vehicles. You can exactly buy all these options. There are no stupid "packages", only option after option... There's nothing to complain. And yes, it's not cheap, because it's a PORSCHE. So is life!
I had a turbo for one day: serious passes, highway and city drive was on the menu. Although on paper everything is good (and every single bit of the car is simply great) I was disappointed. A car to me has to give me as linear response as possible. On the mountains, not having the possibility to lock one of the two gears didn't gave me the confidence to know which one was engaged and the power delivery was suffering of this discontinuity. In city driving the "fine tuinig" is missing so the usual stop and go was not nice at all In the highway... well highways are just boring I had the chance to drive it on a track and it's more than great but... if I go for a track obviously I would choose something else than such a panzer. At the end of the day I was happy to go back to my "simple" (and modded) M3P. Nearly there. Porsche is nearly there. If they fix those things I would definitively consider
Lexie didn’t enjoy the drive. She was more distraction to watch almost breaking her neck than help. Let her do what she does and you do what you do, providing us fantastic driving reviews 🙏🏻👏🏻
The Model 3 is smaller and in a totally different price range than the Porsche Taycan 4 Cross Turismo. By the way: here in Germany, the Model S is exactly as expensive than the Porsche Taycan base model! Do you really think, under such conditions, that a Model S would be more attractive to sporty customers, than such an amazing Taycan 4 Cross Turismo? The Taycan just outperforms any Tesla with pure driving capabilities. Because it's a PORSCHE! These guys know one or two things better than a rookie company like Tesla, which still is only pure straight line performance, how to make a drivers car, even it's electric! "Model 3 handles much better"... Well, maybe compared to the Model S, but not compared to the Taycan.
I just think that it cost too much and doesn’t offer enough at its price. The Chevy Bolt offers more range for $60,000 less. I think that all of the Taycan’s are over priced for what they offer.
Just recharge quickly, it is better for the environment than always bigger batteries. ☺️ Did you know Kyle holds cannonball record for EVs with a "low range" Taycan?
@@abraxastulammo9940 , everything in EVs is bad for environment. From elements needed to produce batteries and other components to recharging. Absolute destruction of Earth to dig out copper, consuming huge quantities of water for production of lithium.... just to name a few. And recharging....from river dams that are stopping natural flow of life to destruction of natural habitats of wildlife and humans,to other means of production. And all those materials are in poor countries...they are going to be even more poor, expect overturned governments, assassinations,bribe, corruption.....and none of these companies are innocent.
OK. So you do a good POV, thanks. Not that interested in camera views of seeing you talk. Am interested in seeing someone sit in the rear. We didn't need the friend in the pic, she could have sat in the rear so we could see packaging of this car. The camera angles could have been changed half way thru to provide another POV. Thanks. Too bad this car doesn't come in "estate guise" without the stupid plastic cladding. Clean Taycan for me.
Most people won't buy this for long road trips, but rather for local driving where you only charge at home... So range simply doesn't matter for 99% of BEV drivers for 99% of the time...
Fun fact, your passenger did not find that entertaining at all. It ruined the video watching her being clearly uncomfortable while you drove like a clown. Also, 99% of people buying this car won't drive it the way you did. They wanna know how it is as a daily. That's like...super cool you want to talk about cornering for 17 minutes while making your passenger sick. If someone is buying a 4 CT its because practicality with Porsche fit and finish is on their mind. A Model 3 Performance would make this car look dumb around the track. Im confused why that was the entirety of the video was just you thrashing it relentlessly with a clearly uncomfortable passenger. You have good content. This wasn't that.
Our host states he “loves fast wagons” yet clearly 1) he has no idea this is clearly modelled after decades of successful Audi All-Road and other S4 fast wagons as he never mentions it cause he has no history/knowledge of global success of those vehicles which are sister company of Porsche. And b) this is not the same as hardware as the Taycan the suspension is different enough. How can such a good reviewer make poor mistakes like this? Because he focuses only on cars mostly available in the USA market or are available also in the USA but still no excuse.
My neighbour has a Model 3 performance. I wouldn't swap it for my Audi S3 (hatch). The rear seats are uncomfortable due to the battery and build quality/finish is a little 'rural'. The Porsche is SO much better and to my eyes much better looking. The Tesla S is the only Tesla that doesn't look like it's melted IMHO. 😁👍🏻
@@Dave--FkTheDeepstate don’t you find it unnatural? It’s designed by marketing to make products sound like experiences. No one actually talks like that naturally. Apple started it with “iPhone” and it’s never sat right with me.
It seems to me that the Taycan 4 CT does pretty much everything nearly as well as the Turbo we had in Europe. The suspension / braking options made more of a difference in everyday driving than the acceleration boost. Would you pony up the extra $ to spec a 4S or higher trim? Or just go with the nearly perfect base car with good suspension options, and forego the insane acceleration.
There is a scandinavia edision with even higher suspension hight on off road mode.
I would get the 4, upgrade the wheels. More power wont likely get used and the $$$ difference isn't worth it. Since it's a daily driver this will do more than almost any other car. Plus you get the option to drive it like a sports car at times. I look at this like the Audi A4 Allroad versus the RS6. I daily drive the Allroad and with APR tune its a perfect daily. Plus I get 35mpg on highway and in dynamic mode I can drive backroads very spirited.
This is really the dilemma. Especially in the CT range since they all come with the other base goodies like the bigger battery, all wheel drive and air suspension.
I know when I was building my CT4 I was dancing around the 4S model but ultimately couldn't justify the silly cost increase for straight line performance. Like you I've had a performance model S, and after the initial novelty, you really just want a solid daily with the right creature comforts. Plus, the CT4 in the end is still no slouch.
definitely the 4S. Its still reasonably priced and you really feel the power difference. Tried the turbo 3 weeks ago and the difference in power was smaller to 4s than from Base to 4s
I think we are going nuts, 5¨ 0 to 60 is not fast??? Do you really need 1,9¨0 to 60? I'm not in a hurry, I just want transportation and having a good time and this thing delivers both at a reasonable price.
I agree. The ridiculous 0-60 times are unnecessary. Our Audi Q5 diesel feels quick to me and it's 0-60 time is 6.4 seconds. You dont need anything quicker than 5 seconds unless you are racing your car for youtube views. What I really want if we are talking speed and power, is the ability to pass someone on the interstate. That 40-80 mph burst is more important to me. That's what gets you out of dangerous situations.
This - and imagine how your tyres get ripped up with such savage acceleration (to the next stop light)! ;-)
I think Lexie will take a pass on your next review. She looked like she wanted to throw up and throat punch you ;-)
Shaken, not stirred. ☺️
Agreed. She looked bored, tired of the mansplaining tone, and clearly not a fan of extralegal speeds and throwing of the car round corners.
I doubt it... I think she knew what she was getting in to there (not to be mistaken for having a wonderful time)... But I liked her there to see her hair move, as it showed how he was taking the turns, stopping, etc. :-)
She was like: Can i just get back to my office? :)
The Base Taycan (either sedan or CT) with air suspension, rear axle steering, PSCB brakes, and thermal insulated glass is almost impossible to differentiate from a turbo/S in 99% of everyday driving situations.
Oh good- cause that's exactly what I have on order.
Maybe I drive a bit hard then, I would feel it instantly, and at least in 10-20% of my everyday driving. If I have an acceleration to do, I let all of those sweet horses out. And they do enjoy themselves. An believe me it's far from just straight line, and traffic light battles. It's just so much more agile when you got all that power readily available. I would not buy anything below 4S. But at the same time turbo S is not worth all that extra money over the Turbo. Both have the same amount of HP while driving, and you cannot tell the difference without launching them. But from the base to the turbo there's a huge gap, and you feel that extra power all the time. But if you're in "driving ms. Daisy" mode, and try to not spill any coffee from a full cup of coffee with no lid on, then sure. They feel 99% the same.
"It's not impressively fast..."
It is, it's just not normal anymore how high the bar has been set with BEV. We should really rethink how fast a car needs to be. It's ridiculous that even cars that accelerate to 60 in less than 6-7 sec are already perceived as slow by testers.
He should say "as compared to a Tesla Model 3" (or whatever) for reference.
Welcome to the modern world, we have two EV’s in our driveway and the slower one takes 3.7 seconds to 60.
@@raydoherty5419 If your cars are not Porsches, but Teslas, they don't give a ride you can compare to a Porsche - or almost any other German car :D
@@JunkerOnDrums I had a BMW up to this year and the Tesla rides nicer
@@raydoherty5419 Well - not according to Bjørn Nyland, Chris Rifa, "Carmaniac" or "Battery Life" channels. TeslaBjörn admit Tesla has a pore ride, compared to the cars i mentioned. Check the channels - Björn is a Teslaboy, but he admits the Tesla is noisy and fast going straight, but when it comes to dynamic curves, and pleasent suspension, Tesla can't compet.
Loved this
Yeah, I can definitely spec this car at close to $105k with options for all I need or want.... Rear-wheel steering and PDCC are mostly cash cows for Porsche that don't vastly improve anything...
Even without all these expensive gadgets, a base Taycan model still is lightyears better to drive than an akward looking Model 3 or Y! It steers, drives and brakes like a true Porsche, even without rear wheel steering.
By the way: the current "Cannonball EV record holder" is the Taycan 4S, which shows that even in the USA, where Tesla still has an advantage with much more Superchargers, the Porsche Taycan is as good or even quicker as the Tesla models at a long distances.
With Porsche 800 volt charging technology and up to 270 kW of charging power, the Taycan models are unbeatable when it comes to DC fastcharging.
Here in Germany, it's absolutely no disadvantage at all, that you can't use Tesla Superchargers as a Porsche customer. The DC charging networks here in Germany are growing fast and every DC fast charger has quicker charging times than the fastest Tesla Supercharger.
In my eyes charging another 100 kilometers of range in just 5 minutes charging time with the Taycan 4 is more important, than having more range capability with a Tesla. Which 99% of EV customers won't need at all for their daily driving. Porsche Taycan charging technology at the end is faster, even at longer distances!
Therefore charging the Porsche Taycan regularly at DC fast chargers won't be the most important thing for 99% of its customers too, who will charge their Porsche Taycan at the wallbox charger at home in the garage, over night and every day, with a maximum charging time from 0-100% in just 4.5 hours with the optional Porsche 22 kW wallbox.
could you explain why you dont do sport+ in PDCC cars? please explain in detail
Lexie at 13:15 is holding her stomach and forcing a smile while she searches the floor for a used Walgreen's plastic bag. I think the car is fast enough. :)
Kyle ripping it and Lexie look for the barf bag. 🤮. Love the videos keep them coming. 👍👍👍
Lexie is a good sport.
I feel how Lexie felt......errrrrrr, brain is spinning
It's clear, she tried to smile as real as she can be
I want one of these badly!! Maybe coming off lease
Can't wait to see you drive the BMW i4 in the mountains
I do really like the Cross Turismo and have spent way too many hours on the configurator trying to determine the minimum spec I could deal with. For the price, it does seem like the 4 should offer the same power/acceleration as the 4S currently does. It also bugs me that for such a long and wide car, the interior room (both passenger and cargo capacity) is slightly worse than some compact crossovers. And to both of those points, I am really curious to see the pricing and specs on the Macan EV when its released. I can't see the "S" version of that being slower than this car, and I can't imagine that it'll have a starting price too far above the current gas version. If it has the same fast charging as this, with likely more range I think it will be hard to justify the CT4 just to get slightly better handling. Makes me wonder if the facelift version of this car will be upgraded in terms of range/performance to give it some breathing room with the Macan EV. TL;DR I think it's worth waiting for the Macan EV and then deciding which to buy.
Macan? Its so ugly and the EV Macan will not corner anywhere like the Taycan.
@@peterhammer6915 yes I admit that I don’t care for the current macan styling either. I guess I’m more curious to see if Porsche bumps up the range and performance of the taycan once the macan ev is introduced
@@richardh3587 I dont know about range. We drove from Stockholm to South Germany and drove around the Alps for 3 weeks. Never any issue with range. Enough Ionitys or similar fast charge. I got 500 km in the summer, thats plenty enough for my Taycan 4s. At home in Finland zero issues either.
I have a Macan and have owned a Sport Turismo. I prefer the wagon style to the "crossover SUV" style of the Macan but prefer more ground clearance than the ST provides; for me, the CT4 is almost a perfect cross between the too-low Sport Turismo and the Macan. What I like about the CT4 (vs. CT4S) is that you can keep the cost under $100k and not lose much at all. The Macan will probably benefit from more cargo space and cheaper cost to buy/own. But, like you, I'm planning to wait for the Macan BEV before deciding on that vs. the CT4; there are still too many bugs in the current Taycans that need ironing out by Porsche for me to invest that kind of money in their all-too-new BEV offerings.
"... the interior room is slightly worse than some compact crossovers".
Well, this is a PORSCHE... man! What do you expect from the Taycan? Having the most interior space, as a Porsche?
You buy a Porsche Taycan because of its driving capabilities, because of its styling and shape, but not because of its interior space in first place.
The interior space in the Cross Turismo is totally acceptable and much better than in the "normal" Taycan version. Why do you complain?
You just can't have it all with a Porsche Taycan, because it's still a sports car or a very sporty electric GT.
I would spec out the 4S with rear steer and I’d want the blacked out or removed lettering on the back option. Leave everyone guessing.😏
I ordered exactly that with nice wheels. Some Gloss black wrap on the fender flares and it looks *exactly* like the Turbo or Turbo S inside and out. The acceleration just isnt worth $30-35k
@@chrisnolke I didn’t see the gloss black wrap option. I wish there were a painted option that I could just PPF with the other panels after purchase. We’ve all seen cladding give way to UV faster than paint and the wrap has to be a better choice. 👍🏼
I actually put red tape on the "Taycan 4S" in the back. It looks very nice 😀
@@garyclark6747 There isnt a Porsche option... I'll have that done after the sale locally with the other PPF.
Nobody needs to guess anything. When there is no badge then everyone (except a few who can spot the subtle differences in brake calipers and discs) will think it’s the base model. 99,99% of turbo and turbo S owners keep the lettering 😉
Perfect camera angle with the speed hot showing because of the steering wheel ;)
All I want is range, range, range and ALL the qualities of the vehicle. Ergonomics, design, appearance, seats, build quality, etc, etc. Most electric cars are plenty quick enough. 0-100 is pointless now. There are so many speed cameras now in Australia that you will loose you licence in the first week of owning the cars. Love the Taycan Cross Turismo. Awesome all-rounder. Greetings from Australia. Your videos are excellent Kyle. Your charging videos are particularly excellent. Keep up the great work. Cheers.
Not just speed cameras, from what I hear.
I started saving now and in about 10years i will buy the 2031 model Taycan hell yeah!
How does the acceleration of the CT 4 compare to the EV6 GT-line? I know the driving characteristics outperform the Kia.
265 kW regen you say!!! Wow I though my Bolt’s ~70 kW regen was great. Compared to our old rear wheel drive Tesla’s regen the Bolt is great. Would love to take a Taycan out for a spin, thanks Out of Spec!
I am currently driving the Tesla Model 3 SR + and waiting for my Taycan CT4. How can you compare the acceleration and the performance? Which vehicle feels faster? If you compare the bare numbers, the Taycan CT should be a bit faster.
How are you feeling?
"Which vehicle feels faster"...
Really, this is getting more and more irrelevant and ridiculous, buddy!
First of all, a Tesla isn't a "race car" at all, and reaching your country speed limit in under 4 seconds feels kind of irrelevant to me.
Much more important for all these fucking heavy EVs is having driving capabilities despite all this weight. Which the Porsche Taycan 4 Cross Turismo certainly has, because it's a Porsche! It drives, steers and brakes like a Porsche, whereas Teslas are just like batteries on wheels, with just one-trick-pony acceleration capability (until overheating the battery after only short Autobahn runs, like here in Germany...), paired with the shittiest build quality in the industry... But this is nothing new from Tesla.
@@Porsche1969 The hyperfocus on 0-60 acceleration within the BEV community is getting ridiculous in my opinion.
In what kind of everyday situation do you need to accelerate to 60mph in less than 3 seconds?
@@maxmensch8910 Exactly!
All these acceleration fetish blah blah has to stop! Because much more important for an EV are NVH capabilities for example.
For my taste, an EV has to be almost silent inside, like the Mercedes EQS for example. This EV needs 3.5 seconds from 0-100 km/h, which is still crazy fast ("but theTesla Model S is much quicker bla bla blah..."), but all the other things are more important in this car, like its steering, the noise insulation, materials, build quality.
Even the Porsche Taycan and Audi e-tron GT have a dead silent noise level in the interior and a fantastic build quality. Teslas must be ashamed, compared to the quality level of these German competitor EVs.
Also driving capabilities of EVs, due to a very low center of gravity, are much more important for me, than all this stupid 0-60 mph acceleration bullshit, which can get even boring very quickly.
Therefore Tesla models are absolutely boring, at least for my taste, because they have just this one trick pony character but nothing more.
I own a model 2021 3 Sr+ lfp (I'm based in Europe) and I have driven the Tycan 79kwh rear wheel drive and acceleration feels slower than the Tesla. I too am purchasing a Tycan Sport Turismo, my brain says the Tesla is better but the Porsche is a beautiful car and and I see it as a milestone in life.
What would win in a race, this or a dual motor Polestar 2?
I know you've repeatedly stated it, but when spec'ing a CT for order, I was really surprised at the $$$ difference between the CT, CT4S, Turbo, and S. Of course I'd love a Turbo, and I could, in theory, afford it. There's a 991.1 Turbo S in the garage. But a nicely equipped CT is actually $125k, a 4S $150k, a Turbo $185k, and the Turbo S $209k. 95% of the configuration is exactly the same except the acceleration, slightly the range, and whether the fender flares are gloss or matte. It's REALLY hard to justify $35k for the extra acceleration and glossy flares of the Turbo. I couldn't.
What are you talking about!There is No Cybertruck!
A nicely equipped CT4 is only about $105k, not $125k ... A CT4 at $125k is insanely equipped...
@@cbatiau2528 haha, speak for yourself. I find it easy to get to 125k on the CT4 configurator. To be fair though, I am just dreaming and not seriously considering a purchase. But I can understand that some people will want all of the bells and whistles and perhaps a costlier leather interior.
@@cbatiau2528 yeah, I'm sorry but when actually ordering a car for years to come, it is really really hard to build it as cheaply as you think. I couldn't. If you're spending $125k on a car, it BETTER be insanely well equipped.
Amazing car! I dream with the Cross Turismo.
You have a awesome job👍. Keep up with the great videos. I really like seeing someones option other then brain washed Tesla fan boys giving no credit to any other evolving EV car and tech companies. All the cars you have shown lately have their upsides and downsides but these videos really help with seeing the pros and cons. Thanks
How do you know if boost mode is engaged or disengaged?
This is definitely the only Taycan I'll consider buying, and I'm leaning towards getting it (the CT4); my limit is breaking the $100k barrier... One thing that nobody including you (Kyle) brings up is how much better the rear-window visibility is with the CT vs. the Taycan sedan. The rear-window view out the Taycan is very poor, and it seems to me from these videos that you have 50-100% more visibility out the rear window in the CT. Please comment on this in your next CT video...
Yeah, sure... "rear window view out of the Taycan" is one of the most important things of a sporty EV.
If you just want "as much as possible glass over its shoulder line", you should buy a fugly and boring SUV, buddy!
@@Porsche1969 Relax... I have a Macan and prefer something like the CT... I have practical reasons for asking.
Would you rather have a model S or Taycan if you would be buying a car for 100k or 130k (Model S long range vs Taycan 4 and Model S plaid vs Taycan 4S)?
Does this demo come with pdcc option?
Love such videos, keep coming.... and here they goes 11:43...... In normal driving, the suspension and brake settings made a bigger effect than the acceleration boost.You have a awesome job and i'm very jealous. lol
German Tesla Doc Ove Kröger switched to basis Taycan, having same kwh/km as Tesla S 100D, using ecomode on Autobahn...
Range mode
I have 15,4 kWh/100km on my Taycan.
Blimey, even I felt awkward for the poor girl in the passenger seat, it was like a secretary getting a lift home from her creepy boss 🙈
Wagons have always been my ride. MB300td 1985. 500+ mileage. Now Prius V Wagon. Love it! Hybrid is my choice no interest in all w electric.. too many outside charging station problems.. gas + hybrid great for living suburbs Atlanta. 40 _ 47 normal mileage. Lady looking bored and disinterested
The fastest production car in the world in 1980 was the Ferrari Berlinetta Boxer or Lamborghini Countach, with a 0 to 60 of about 5.5 seconds.
Here in 2023, a relatively accessible family car like this one and we're saying 5 seconds isn't quick?
usually, used CT4 with more options are priced way better than 4s with less spec... so you're telling me... get the 4. save the money.
i will soon find out, test drive weekend with a CT4 (albeit gen2) will come up... REALLY looking forward to that.
She was a good sport...👍👍 Cross Turismo's and Long Roofs 👍👍
This video reminds me of the old adage: it's more fun to drive a slow motorcycle fast than a fast motorcycle slow.
In the real world, 5.1sec to 60 is more than fast enough... would rather spend the extras on the optional equipments.
The problem is not the number, the problem is that its a slow Porsche. Note that that number is to 60 it gets progressively slower after that. A Porsche with a 14 second 1/4 is a true suck.
I a curious about this question of fast enough. Especially in the US. There are only a few states where you can drive legally over 80mph. I honestly think it should just be a footnote. I think more American's buying EV care about range and ease of charge. Oh and how much luggage. I rarely see a reviewer showing full size bags for trips. The launch speed gets old. Still like this cars design.
its all about the mine is faster competition, you're right anything that goes 0-60 under 4 seconds is too quick for main road use. Thats why Tesla's sell well here in NA people see the 0-60 numbers and they're sold
I dont know, i barely ever am pinning my model Y, and for the money your going to save you're still getting the porsche goodness in almost every way. I'd go wit this version and save the like 25 grand. How often are you really doing the straight line acceleration?
I think it boils down to one thing. People who really don't care that much about acceleration, and people who do. Biggest reason to get a Porsche should always be epic handling performance. So for that reason you should always get the driving bits first. And even though the Taycan is pretty sharp to begin with, I think it's such a better drivers car with PDCC. So I would get that even on a 4 I think. Now, I am one of those into acceleration, so I would neven settle in with a base model Taycan. That would feel way too slow for what I'm used to, and expect from my car. I would need a few years to get used to a car with 0-60 in about 5 seconds. I know that's fast in 2010-2015 terms, but you got to remember that it's for the most part all about the G-forces and not the time it takes to get up to speed, and ICE cars that are doing 0-60 in 5 seconds will feel far quicker, because they will pull a lot harder when they pull. EVs pull in a very linear way. So for people into acceleration the CT 4 will not be suffisient. For people not into acceleration, it will be more than capable of what they need it to be. Overtaking should be no problem. And it will probable be faster than what they used to drive.
What are your thoughts of Taycan Cross Turismo 4 VS the new Model S Long Range? Not Plaid.
Two very different cars.
CT does offer offroad possibility MS doesn t.
4S Cross Tourismo is the sweet spot of the range for me or if you prefer a tarmac only version then the GTS Tourismo 🚙👍🏻
If you were driving seriously: 1) you would use both hands on the wheel and 2) you would be WAY above the State speed limit and 3) the girlie would be either A) totally in awe of your skills or B) screaming for it to end.
Lexie alternates between disinterested and uncomfortable the whole time
yes very cringey
I would argue she alternates between concerned to uncomfortable. Borderline getting sick.
I think the disinterested look was her trying to look cool whilst worrying about peeing in the Porsche!! 😄👍🏻
I do feel the 4S CT is a sports car vs the base 4CT is a car that looks and handles like a sports car. If the added acceleration of the 4S was only 10k more then it would be a no brainer but that’s not the reality of the matter. 17k extra for the faster acceleration of the 4S is a hard pill to swallow.
Can someone figure out how to software flash it
It's hard to beat a Taycan for road tripping speed. Mustang Mach-E GT Performance is fun to drive and looks super cool for a fraction of the price but it'll be slower cross country.
So if there was a car that was fast, fun to drive and faster across country????
And cheaper, I have one in my driveway and it’s a model Y performance.
@@raydoherty5419 but poor quality
@@bestofalllife umm what? I have two Tesla’s and the quality is great. I get the materials in this Porsche are nicer but I am not paying $30K more for a car that’s worse in every way just to enjoy a slightly softer door top.
@@raydoherty5419 Except it isn’t worse in every way, did you even watch the video? Also, glad you like your Tesla as its all about personal choice, personally I think they look dull as dishwater.
@@raydoherty5419 if someone wants to buy an EV, what's the #1 and maybe #2 reason to buy a Tesla Model Y instead of something else?
It would be nice if you let the lady drive too and see what she thinks of the car.
She is like, what ever, I am just happy to be in a Porsche
Love this model...hate the cladding. in order to lose the cladding, you have to jump 30k to the GTS...all to get a clean look in this model. Range just too low for this price also.
Your passenger seems very nervous since you take your eyes off the road and hands off the steering wheel. :-)
Actually, I get the same way when he does that.
Only thing I dislike about Porche spec is the picking of EVERYTHING for the car. You have to think about resale too for what you pick.
Vs say a Tesla that only has a few selections.
I'd always worry if I've got the best selections for my money
That's actually one huge plus for me about Porsche -- that you can get mostly what you want and can not get what you don't want... One downside to the CT4 in America is that they give the glass roof standard (in Europe it's an option, and I want the metal roof)...
Of course this is one of the big advantages with Porsche vehicles. You can exactly buy all these options. There are no stupid "packages", only option after option... There's nothing to complain. And yes, it's not cheap, because it's a PORSCHE. So is life!
@@Porsche1969 But then doesn't resale value not come into it? People may not want to buy it because it doesn't have a sought after so and so pack
I think I got more scared than her when he blasts off on windy mountain roads. Damn! Superb driving!
Porsche and Lucid have the sexiest EVs, HANDS DOWN
I had a turbo for one day: serious passes, highway and city drive was on the menu. Although on paper everything is good (and every single bit of the car is simply great) I was disappointed. A car to me has to give me as linear response as possible.
On the mountains, not having the possibility to lock one of the two gears didn't gave me the confidence to know which one was engaged and the power delivery was suffering of this discontinuity.
In city driving the "fine tuinig" is missing so the usual stop and go was not nice at all
In the highway... well highways are just boring
I had the chance to drive it on a track and it's more than great but... if I go for a track obviously I would choose something else than such a panzer.
At the end of the day I was happy to go back to my "simple" (and modded) M3P.
Nearly there. Porsche is nearly there.
If they fix those things I would definitively consider
I am on the wit list for one now! Thanks to you LOL
I have a couple of kiddies, do you think a Tesla MX P is a good choice?
@Kzn Nzn If they're in good condition you should get a reasonable price.
she's acting the same way I do when my friends think they're F1 drivers lmfao
I wouldn't call the base Taycan and Cross Turismo variant "slow" at all.
"Slow" is definitely something different...
Yeah, just "less quick" than Turbos and Plaids!
Being that real plaid are those checkered seats of yester Porsches and GTIs :)
I'm glad I was not in the passenger seat.
Lexie didn’t enjoy the drive. She was more distraction to watch almost breaking her neck than help. Let her do what she does and you do what you do, providing us fantastic driving reviews 🙏🏻👏🏻
Base. Kind of funny to say with a Porsche
The Model 3 handles much better than the Model S, so Model 3 should be compared with the Taycan, not the Model S.
The Model 3 is smaller and in a totally different price range than the Porsche Taycan 4 Cross Turismo.
By the way: here in Germany, the Model S is exactly as expensive than the Porsche Taycan base model!
Do you really think, under such conditions, that a Model S would be more attractive to sporty customers, than such an amazing Taycan 4 Cross Turismo?
The Taycan just outperforms any Tesla with pure driving capabilities. Because it's a PORSCHE!
These guys know one or two things better than a rookie company like Tesla, which still is only pure straight line performance, how to make a drivers car, even it's electric!
"Model 3 handles much better"... Well, maybe compared to the Model S, but not compared to the Taycan.
LOL she didn’t want to be there. 😂
Yeah she looked like she was about to throw up!
I'd deal with even slower, simpler, lighter till it is so nice.
Why no more Alyssa?
Aika makee 🍎🍎🍎🍎🍎
where's Alyssa?
👀
I just think that it cost too much and doesn’t offer enough at its price. The Chevy Bolt offers more range for $60,000 less. I think that all of the Taycan’s are over priced for what they offer.
It'd be pretty funny if one of these review cars would get away from you when you "pitch it in" to a corner
She was like : all I hear is bla bla bla
That poor girl wasn't having any of it
i get it, you have to have some female speed reaction videos, they get clicks, etc. but i don't think Lexie has the stomach for this!
Low range is killin' this car. 350+ miles would be great.
Just recharge quickly, it is better for the environment than always bigger batteries. ☺️
Did you know Kyle holds cannonball record for EVs with a "low range" Taycan?
I agree, 300 is the magic number, above that is a bonus. I would give up speed for range.
300 miles in real life not so bad
@@abraxastulammo9940 , everything in EVs is bad for environment. From elements needed to produce batteries and other components to recharging. Absolute destruction of Earth to dig out copper, consuming huge quantities of water for production of lithium.... just to name a few. And recharging....from river dams that are stopping natural flow of life to destruction of natural habitats of wildlife and humans,to other means of production.
And all those materials are in poor countries...they are going to be even more poor, expect overturned governments, assassinations,bribe, corruption.....and none of these companies are innocent.
@@greenlightning6971 , lol. I’ve seen some stupid comments on UA-cam, but yours is the dumbest and most false this week. Well done.
Question,
Why didn't you let the nice lady drive the car 🙄 .....
Flashing because cops
👍👍😎✌️
OK. So you do a good POV, thanks. Not that interested in camera views of seeing you talk. Am interested in seeing someone sit in the rear. We didn't need the friend in the pic, she could have sat in the rear so we could see packaging of this car. The camera angles could have been changed half way thru to provide another POV. Thanks. Too bad this car doesn't come in "estate guise" without the stupid plastic cladding. Clean Taycan for me.
One Porsche related question! Is Lexie single? ;)
Great video, per usual.
She dont care….
Crazy you going to write the thing off ..NOT GOOD ..go to the track
I think it doesn't look sexy. Trying very hard but nope.
Isn't Lexi your girlfriend?
Not after that drive!! 😄👍🏻
Range is just not enough for this price.
Watch his range test of the base Taycan. Actual range is closer to 300 miles than 200 miles.
Most people won't buy this for long road trips, but rather for local driving where you only charge at home... So range simply doesn't matter for 99% of BEV drivers for 99% of the time...
Taycan 4 does have WLTP range of 456 km (280 Mi), That s good enough range.
#mansplaining
Fun fact, your passenger did not find that entertaining at all. It ruined the video watching her being clearly uncomfortable while you drove like a clown. Also, 99% of people buying this car won't drive it the way you did. They wanna know how it is as a daily. That's like...super cool you want to talk about cornering for 17 minutes while making your passenger sick. If someone is buying a 4 CT its because practicality with Porsche fit and finish is on their mind. A Model 3 Performance would make this car look dumb around the track. Im confused why that was the entirety of the video was just you thrashing it relentlessly with a clearly uncomfortable passenger. You have good content. This wasn't that.
That wheel is a new kind of ugly
She is is very hard to impress…
That is one ugly looking motor. Sorry Porsche you seem to be going backwards.
looks opinions are so subjective... I think this is by far the best-looking Porsche ever made (better-looking than any 2-door Porsche)...
Our host states he “loves fast wagons” yet clearly 1) he has no idea this is clearly modelled after decades of successful Audi All-Road and other S4 fast wagons as he never mentions it cause he has no history/knowledge of global success of those vehicles which are sister company of Porsche. And b) this is not the same as hardware as the Taycan the suspension is different enough. How can such a good reviewer make poor mistakes like this? Because he focuses only on cars mostly available in the USA market or are available also in the USA but still no excuse.
Sorry. Porsche created a car that will allow higher sales for model y - this video convinced shit.
My neighbour has a Model 3 performance. I wouldn't swap it for my Audi S3 (hatch). The rear seats are uncomfortable due to the battery and build quality/finish is a little 'rural'. The Porsche is SO much better and to my eyes much better looking. The Tesla S is the only Tesla that doesn't look like it's melted IMHO. 😁👍🏻
SIMPLY UGLY………..I lied from the mid section back it’s ABSOLUTELY HIDEOUS
Cross doesn’t mean a thing except the extra ugliness, crossing the bumps in USA roads maybe!
If you take that Porsche badge away then it will be one unattractive Toyota Camry wagon!
not even close to being true... The CT is a head-turner ... no Camry is a head-turner...
“THE” Taycan, not “Taycan”. Stop dropping articles it sounds very off putting.
What a weird thing to say.
@@anthonyc8499 Everybody has their grammer nazi moments...?
You should be off pudding.
@@Dave--FkTheDeepstate don’t you find it unnatural? It’s designed by marketing to make products sound like experiences. No one actually talks like that naturally. Apple started it with “iPhone” and it’s never sat right with me.
@@anthonyc8499 do you say “I love lamp” or “I love that lamp/the lamp/ my lamp”
Ugh. Every time I see a Porsche ( pronounced PORSH…..not porsh-ah ) I want to throw up. Getman cars have no good style whatsoever.