"Deus Ex" Endings (All 3)
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1. First ending is where you join the Illuminati:
"Kill Bob Page and clear the way for the former Illuminati leaders to restore the age-old secret government. Rule the world with compassion and an invisible hand alongside Morgan Everett."
2. Second ending is where you merge with the Helios A.I.:
"Together with Helios, administrate the world with absolute knowledge and reason."
3. Third ending is where you side with Tracer Tong and send the world into a new Dark Age:
"Destroying the global communications hub will plunge the world into another Dark Age - dark but perhaps free from global tyranny."
I like the fact that no matter what the ending, Bob Page always loses.
I don't think anyone takes him seriously either, and no one wants to work for him. He's like an illuminati conspirator parody; no one takes him seriously when he tries to manipulate someone, and when he yells at someone they either brush it off or it makes the person he's yelling at angrier. The only people that directly work with him willingly are Walton Simons or, formerly, Morgan Everett, and who knows what they really think.
I still think they cut a ending where you could side with him
I feel like that wouldn't even have been that much different from the other endings. Especially the Helios one, but perhaps he'd merge with both the AI and JC
I picked ending 0.5
Where you reload the save to the first time you go into UNATCO HQ, find the basketball and bounce it around for the rest of eternity
Cause let's be honest guys
That's the only way to have a good ending.
Sign him up for the knicks!
Personally I like the ending where everything collapsed.
Basketball? Seems like a footprint of warren spector. there is a basketball in System Shock 2 too.
@TMPanos96 Nothing stays absolutely good forever
J.C Denton resigns from UNATCO and signs up for the Knicks, he becomes A superstar basketball player remembered for decades
Interestingly, JC's voice is emotional when he is talking to Helios during the 2nd Ending... unlike during most of the game when he has a neutral, cold voice.
Grognougnou Gaming Exactly!! I noticed it too.
Yes he sounds really natural in the 2nd ending...unlike the entire game...where he's just cold and throws around one liners ...
That's because Helios penetrated him......it tickled JC's ovaries
Sounded like classic RE2 Leon xD
@@neerajkrishnan8574 You talking to me?
Its real neat how the entire game takes place until night until the last few levels that take place in the early morning and the endings talk about "leading people to day"
Oh yeah yeah?
You are wrong....in Paris if you read news papers it will state that JC has destroyed Hong Kong UC one Weak ago!
@@akrammeziane9979 it all takes place at night, but not on the same night lol
@@Nathan-gs5tw Yeah its not all one night. When JC enters Versalife you can find a log in the security room stating he entered at around 10pm. The night suits it better but it is beautiful to see the daylight sky showing up in the later levels. Although Area 51 had a red sky, is that meant to be late afternoon/early morning?
Symbolises, The Dark Ages.(Tong's Ending) Which was the 'best' ending metaphysically. The whole game is a conspiracy, the cover, the intro, the endings.
I can see dissapointment in JC's words as he knows what Everett just wants to do, dominate the world, and do like nothing happened.
JC wanted to help people and made them know everything. Everett didn't.
That ending makes me feel like the entire game is pointless, it ends how it started. Everett is Page, and you are WS.
I don't think it was intended to be that way. Everett didn't seem entirely self centered. He really wanted to fix the world, just in a different way.
+Egyptian Space Odin "If you took the most ardent revolutionary, vested him in absolute power, within a year he would be worse than the Tsar himself." - Bakunin
I personally think JC is crafty enough to keep Everett in check.
I felt that way too, and you're right, for the ending, the player was just a tool used to destroy the opposition so that another power crazed organization could take control and restore it's former glory. Everett was always this calm, yet cold and sly character who went so far as to have the former leader and his own mentor/colleague frozen in order to seek out all the secrets and intel before conveniently having him eliminated(he did mention he had zero intentions on reviving his body). It's most likely being a stooge, much like what happened in UNATCO, only this time; you know.
I love that Deus Ex's endings cause people to discuss which ending is the best. A lot of games with multiple endings just have good, medium, bad, etc. but with Deus Ex, what's 'bad', or 'good', can depend on what you think.
All endings are canon! They think the ending is best interpreted as JC Denton Becomes God, Destroys worldwide communications, and rules with the elite from the shadows.
@@gamesdeen3768 I would be afraid of machines in real life so I would pick the dark age ending, but The helios ending seems to be the most sensible, because the AI makes the best decisions. All the endings seems to be "good" endings though.
@@supersage6469 AI doesn’t make the perfect choices, since it learns from us, from our past, good and bad. That’s the reason AI can be actually really racist, which is really hard to automatically moderate.
@@ringtail5021 True AI would see the destruction that racism caused and prevent it easily in the future generations.
Dark Age: Pure anarchy and economic collapse with famine, riots and no effective way of getting the vaccine out to the infected. Elites are defeated but at a terrible cost of human suffering.
Helios: A technocratic dystopia, in which humanity is eternally ruled by an artificial god of our own making, one who is beyond accountability and has the ability (and motive) to track and control Every facet of people's lives.
Illuminati: Business as usual, but our protagonist can co-rule from the shadows and the vaccine actually gets to the citizens, whilst still allowing them some freedom. The least worst option.
Every endings have good and bad things but the one that gives meaning to the games name is Helios one.
Woah. Dude, that's deep. This game is genius. Better than some books.
M Mirlas Hence the name "Deus Ex."
But it's actually Deus Ex Machina.
Which actually means: God from Machines."
@@seifeldeennoureldeen3429 It is not actually Deus ex machina. Which doesn't actually meen God from Machines. It means God from the machine. Deus ex means God from. The only way to create God's state is to choose Tong's ending.
@@eniff2925 Ah yes, it was a typographical error. Thank you for that information, though!
Dark Age ending has the best music.
I agree
And my favorite quote
I absolutely love JC's delivery on "No... Not yet..." - the way his voice cracks a bit is so moving
It's even better in the PS2 version since they show his face but yeah, that line just hits hard.
Does Tong have a fetish for medieval times and living in villages?
better than "merging" with machines
+Marthike9122 I think the "Merge" is the official canon ending, because in invisible war Denton is unkillable
+Seth Carter all endings are canon in invisible war to a degree
+heretics everywhere Sean Squires yeah that did not make any sense what so ever.
Tong went too far. He should've asked JC merely to destroy Helios and Page, and cripple Everett's plans.
I.....
I.....
I thought you were a GEP gun.
We’re 100% BLACK.
@@justderp5713 Me too
Welcome to the coalition PROD
Tong's ending is the best in my heart, honestly if I was in Jc's place I would sent all that shit to hell as no one should be trusted with that much power.
dude, i picked the same and most importantle... we have the same name. Coinsidence? i think not!
I get the sentiment, but I feel like that’s the worst ending - the people of the world were already going through hell, and the collapse would make things 10x worse. People starving en mass because you don’t want anyone to be in power.
Helios was my favourite as it allowed for restoration without anyone’s ego being attached
An AI and a (cybernetic) man fusing just isn't a recipe for anything good... Unfortunately, or fortunately, the endings are vague and open-ended so we don't see the outcome. All I know here is that, in reality, AI and technology has connections with demonic forces, and acts as a conduit to our world from theirs. @@BeepBoop896
Illuminati ending is just more people behind the curtains, in control (and the man you partner with isn't what I would call compassionate).
The new dark age is an erasure of all these abominations and corruptions, which I think is always good. Will it all just come back again, in the future of this game's world? Who knows.
@@BeepBoop896 yup. It's way too idealistic and ignores 1000s of problems it would cause. Noble in theory, devastating in execution.
Definitely the best ending and the best music too.
There was meant to be a fourth ending which was cut. It was JC making a deal with Bob Page, letting Page merge with the AI and JC getting complete control over a continent of his choice, but I don't think any reasonable person would have chosen that one.
I would have...What?Why are you looking at me in that way?
(jokes apart it would have been nice to see all opcions conidered for the endings)
Hehe, I would have liked to see it, like the Omar or Templar Ending from Invisible War, something interesting to sere.
Bob Page actually mentioned that through the infolink. Europe if I remember corectly.
XantoS441 Yeah, it shows that they had the ideas in place, they just ran out of time.
Tomaz600x I wanted to team up with Walton Simmons. He's the only one who gets what it's like to be an unstoppable cyborg killing machine. I thought the same thing when playing HR, about Namir. Maybe men like us CAN get back the things we love? :_(
For MD I hope that substantial choices happen earlier in the game. Atleast you can leave bosses alive this time so that should bring back the forked paths of the original Deus Ex. But the endings need to be more varied.
Tong is naïve if he thinks that destroying Area 51 would bring about real change. There would be chaos and then things would revert back to the way they were once rebuilt.
Moorpheus19 yea it was clearly the worse choice, all it would do is stall until it happened again
@118306497275717932755 Want to know the funniest part? In invisible war, tong admits he was wrong to suggest having a new dark age. rekt
Tong says a lot of things - I wonder if anything he says can be trusted...
The only reason that Helios came into existence is because the aliens crashed into Earth, so destroying Area 51 means that humans will never be able to build AIs like Helios again.
Tong seems like some kind of well-intentioned crackpot IMO. The only thing positive I have to say about him is that at least he was enough of an absolute madman to actually go through with it.
*Illuminati ending:* basically, a return to the status quo. The world is still governed by an elite more concerned by its own power than by the needs of those it rules upon. Nothing has been lost or gained, as shown by the fact that this ending mirrors the intro cutscene - a cyborg and his mentor plotting in the Honk Kong HQ.
*Helios ending:* possibly a leap forward for the world. A human supercomputer, if benevolent, might lead mankind to a new golden age, improve preexisting technology and govern with maximum efficiency. But JC loses his humanity in the process and there is still a chance that Helios will act like a tyrant, using abusive surveillance to keep people in check "for their own good", as foreshadowed by Morpheus - probably why this ending feels so dark and uncertain.
*Apocalypse ending:* the possibility of a new start for mankind. We now have a chance to restart a more humane and free society, hence the triumphant music and the hopeful tone of the cutscene. However, most likely, this new dark age will lead to the death of numerous people both during the collapse of technology and the post-apocalyptic era that will ensue, and if new powers emerge from the chaos, chances are they'll be tyrannical and/or plain malicious.
I like how this ending is a parallel of the introduction with JC and Everret replacing Simons and Page, even in the same spot under the invisible hand...
Played this relic for first time in 2015. I new it was a brilliant game when I played demo in 2000 or 2001. No regrets. 9.5/10
+fragsman Easily one of the best games of all time!
Let me guess that .5 u took away was that damn Boat mission wasnt it lol
Yeah I hated that boat mission
Played this many times from when it Came out to recently, It is one of my favorite games, it needs to be re remastered.
The new Deus Ex games are prequels. Maybe we get to point where JCDenton story starts.
Every ending is neither good, nor bad.
I personally got with ending 3 as I believe in utopia and living as one with the nature (its the natural thing to do). All our advances in the technology came from our laziness and will bring our doom
@@iliag1 that utopia is just the early stages that led to our current situation, utopias like these can't exist for long because evil organizes, that's why Anarchy is such a stupid ideology.
I believe 2ending is the best ,i only trust myself in saving the world .The first and third would only creat new problems which could be worse than the rest .It seems like 2nd is the only true and good ending out of all these.
Helios Ending(Very Evil) & Illuminati Ending (Evil). Tracer Tong's Ending is (Neutral). The whole game is a conspiracy even the cover and intro. Which is a reference to St Augustine and Not Thomas Aquinas.
Anjith H The Helios ending is canon.
I chose the synthesis ending so the cycle can end and everyone can reach the peek of evolution
IMO, the best ending it's merging with the AI. Knowledge and reason, and half AI and half human seems a pretty good choice. Plus, Paul Denton said Helios managed Hong Kong situation fine.
That's only if you really believe that you "merge" with the AI instead of being assimilated. Also, I wouldn't even trust what Paul says, not with the power that Helios has. I mean, it could easily be a fabricated dialogue at that point.
tldr: tong resets only the world, not it's technology and people, and everett is literally the illuminati so y'know - everett bad
could be, but thats the only logical option - Tong suggests resetting the world - but, not the human mindstet. By that i mean that this entire situation, starting from the gray death and ending on Page merging will repeat, and every time the humans will have to pull the plug. 2052 years of "freedom", ruled by kings in a post apocalyptic landscape, and then what? We pull the plug again? And what if somebody does something worse in the meantime? The technology is advanced enough to copy and paste humans, to have literal plasma fields and to uplink anybody to anything and anyone anywhere. The technology, in some way or another is still there. So in other words, the entirety of Deus Ex will repeat. Hundredts of times. Just in different contexts.
and to be honest Everett is, y'know. THE FUCKING ILLUMINATI. It didn't work once, why should it work again, under the same exact leadership, the exact same people.
@Sputnik The thing with hitler is that he did just that for the germans, not for everyone else on the other hand.
I know this is an old comment but there is a theory that the transmission from Paul is actually Helios creating a fake hologram and dialogue to convince JC to “merge” and do whatever it wants to the world.
lifting restrictions on a city is not managing it. When JC merges with ai his face darkens as if the dark forces has taken control of it and now he wants to control the world wants all the power and the lift everyone from "darkness". lol If you really believe this is the good ending you are very far. it sounds like a powerhungry maniac with the thirst of controlling every single human being. And these ai had very evil intentions so I don't like the idea
I picked the second one and would probably do so again. The first I didn't trust, the 3rd I thought would just set things back so that they could happen all over again. The second one seemed like the only way towards progress, although a bit scary because you have no idea what you're going to become.
I reached a similar conclusion (if you're even still checking UA-cam comments 8 years later lol), where I differed was that both the illuminati choice and the tong choice both set things back so they can happen all over again. Both would just allow history to repeat itself as it's already done many times. The only 'new' solution that would break the cycle is the Helios ending.
Agreed tbh
definitely the most curious one but not one I think would ever be good (in reality, IDK about the in-game world and the developers interpretation of advanced AI)
I took the Tong ending. Ted Kaczynski mode
Merging with Helios gotta be the best choice, I mean, it created a being that has all the knowledge that is possible to obtain and a good heart, since JC is a good guy and passed through a lot of shit to stop the bad guy from controlling the world. Also, I can't trust Everett after what he did to Lucius DeBeers and destroying the global communications hub in a civilization that's used and dependable of it would be pure chaos.
I second this. To me, the Helios ending is the best, most (r)evolutionary one. In Invisible War, it becomes clearer.
Anderson Girotto Agree!
What a shame - JC Denton can also be a bad guy and kill everyone xD
It depends on you. Deus Ex Machina.
JMSLionheart
+gbx Tong's ending has some logic to it, by sending things back to the stone age, leadership and civilisation is on a level that is comprehensible to it's citizens, people know who exactly is to be held accountable, in todays government all you ever hear of is scapegoats or people that had nothing to do with what happened getting blamed and punished for it. Tong's ending ensures little to no corruption because a smaller society values it's people and holds its leaders fiercely accountable.
Just finished this game...wow. Rare that a video game be this intellectual, this thought provoking...or this all around amazing. Definitely one of the best games of the decade.
true
This brotha said game of the decade, then the comment is 13 years old.
@@markmclean8858 To be fair, I never said *which* decade
Also lmao I was real pretentious thirteen years ago. Deus Ex is still great though!
honestly, best game of all time
Am I the only one here who chose the "pull the plug and fuck it all" ending?
I couldn't even consider the other endings, but hey after all it's a fairy tale, there's no such thing as Illuminati and our votes count and democracy rocks, right guys? right?
You can still do it, dont come near a computer or a smartphone and you will have Tong ending for real.
I could actually manage only if other people could stop it as well, but since everyone is online nobody is doing anything in real life.
Like think about as a kid during the 90s it was normal to go to somebody's doorstep and ring the bell and pay a visit just for fun.
Nowadays people might think you're nuts, for not calling them, or contacting them trough facebook or so...
TheGroveling
Well take the iniciative, start it and maybe people get inspired.
I didn't understand why people who live in the new dark age couldn't read up on a flippin' book. The shutdown of centralized communications doesn't mean there aren't backups of knowledge on people's computers (Batteries and generators anyone?) and god forbid we have to use the dewey decimal system. It's a really tough call to make still though and doesn't shake up the playing field as much as one might like. The rich and powerful will just smell a vaccum - of power - and seek to capitalize upon it, as the sequel pointed out. The major victory earned here is the restoration of privacy to the individual, but it's bittersweet in that it transfers power from government to the coporation - NOT the individual.
A consequence I didn't realize when I chose the Tracer Tong ending. Freedom (privacy) is never free, but without education and free exchange of ideals through global communications, one may never realize the concept of freedom in the first place. Just look at North Korea. They're doing so well without global communication, aren't they? Ah well, at least a video game taught me something for once other than how to paint the wall with brains via headshots.
Exactly, I thought about that as well.
The concept of freedom was created without internet in the first place.
I may have agreed with Helios ending the most, but dang, Tong ending was done so well. I loved how the theme was a remix of the main theme, and it really feel like a freedom fighter or something. Awesome times.
people who went for any ending other than tong's just didn't watch enough alex jones
THIS
Xaxaxaxaxaxaxaaxxaaxxaxaaxxaaxxaxa fucking GOLD, just finished game for the 1. Time
So True.
1776 will commence again
Yeah for real, it seemed like the best option.
This game is indisputably the best game ever made. I've played it through numerous times and probably even spent more time discussing it with my friends. The story, the atmosphere, the characters, the music and all the little things to discover... Pure awesomeness! I don't mind the graphics. Graphics don't make a good game. Atmosphere, story and gameplay do!
"The man who was Thursday", which I of course read because of this game, is actually a damn fine book, too.
This was honestly one of the best games I ever played
Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Google, Apple , UA-cam, Amazon, Darpa, NSA .....and more
Worst part is that I bet within 10 years, having to pick one of these choices is more real.
Helios is the best ending. The other two endings felt like you were being used. The Helios ending felt like you were "leveling up" to become an even greater badass.
+Mat T and also this is the alternative ending
+Mat T to become the worst of the worst - an all-powerful dictator, jut like Page wanted (?)
Ya, but Helios has good intentions though. So why is merging with Helios so bad?
I like this ending the best as well. It's like you have these 3 choices: going back in time, stay stuck in time, or make the next step in evolution.
You're being used in the ending where you comply with the Illuminati, in the Tracer ending, you basically just handle the reigns over to the people, and let them handle shit how they want. In the Helios ending, it's really the end goal of globalism, and I can't stand behind that.
I merged with Helios, mostly because it was the most canonical.
Not to mention that I stumbled upon Alex Denton on my first play through!
Tong will make crusade great again
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Helios is best ending. I mean, the name Deus Ex is taken from "deus ex machina" which means "god from the machine"
Mass Effect 3 ripped off this ending dynamic. They even share the RGB colors. Only difference is Deus Ex did it right.
Deus Ex: Invisible War predicted endings of ME3:Extended Cut before there was ME3:Extended Cut.
Templar ending: Destroy
Illuminati ending: Control
JC Denton ending: Synthesis
Omar ending: Refuse.
the helios ending is easily the best ending in terms of consequences for the story and thematic correlation with the rest of the game.
agreed
"The mark of the educated man is the suppression of these qualities in favor of better ones. The same is true of civilization." - Isaac the Bartender
Perhaps these qualities are an inseparable part of human nature.
Haha, I loved all of the overly deep conversations JC had with strangers. Randomly deep but still written well.
Helios or bust.
the destruction ending is the worst (my opinion), but the cutscene looks and plays out cool AF (again my opinion)
Yeah. I personally think it's the worst of the three endings, but it has the best music. XD
I saved just before each end, just to watch the badass cutscenes lol
Helios fusion is the best for me... Maybe a flawless AI could save humanity... Maybe not... But humanity surely can't save itself.
It's not completely left to AI. He merges with you, a human brain. And if you played the game full pacifist than this really is the good ending imo.
does that include not killing the grays they do not pass out easily if i remember
I destroyed everything and gave Human Beings another chance. May be this time they will come up with a better solution. None of those choices are ideal but I chose Area 51 destruction after thinking for a long time because I didn't want someone to secretly control everything or become a dictator myself (with a machine) :-p
And yet, the AI is the product of human labor, and required a human element in the end to complete it. So really, it is humanity saving itself, or dooming itself.
Wrong. Human beings may not be perfect but a computer program but language synthesis is hardly the answer to the world's problems.
The only think, i don't like in fist deus ex - its lack of fourth Ending. Why I can't join Page and rule the world with him? We promise to me Versalife, Europe, Mead's cabinet!
The developers originally intended to have a fourth ending, but it didn't make it due to time constraints.
Personally, in the retail version, I think it'd be out of character for JC to suddenly join the man he spent a week destroying.
well you could technically not believe your brother and stay in UNATCO, but like Jack said, they cut those parts out.
The Helios ending reminds me of a 1970 film/1966 book called Colossus: The Forbin Project. It ends with the merged US and Soviet supercomputers, who were designed to control the nuclear stockpiles and retaliatory attacks, deciding to rule humanity, away from war, disease, and famine, at the expense of personal freedom (or the 'sense of pride', according to Colossus.)
Eerily relevant to current year.
*WHO ARE YOU*
The dark age ending ain't as bad as it sounds. If the game's future after that ending is anything like real life, we would create multiple decentralized internets much like what we have today, but most likely significantly better, like 6G or something. It's only called a dark age because not as much stuff will be done via the internet. Basically it's a knock back in progress, but not as bad of a knock back as Tong makes it out to be.
Yeah, when I thought about it, the modern world will still go on, I mean it's not like the previous decades had such technology and it's not like they lived in villages like Tong would think. Though global interconnection I feel is something that will come again, and the re-occurrence of some global organization may come again.
tl;dr Tong's exaggerating, he's just a big'ol Anprim.
I dunno, I mean taking out the internet wouldn't be nearly as bad as a solar flare taking out everything, but there's still a lot of infrastructure that depends on the Internet, and if it collapsed we could see tons of starvation and the destruction of the healthcare system.
@@chelonianegghead274 Ha ha NHS fax machines go brrrrrr
After all lets not fool ourselves. Whatever ending we took, there will always rise new world order sooner or later and than its all over again...
Tong give humanity another chance to rebuild itself.
Others endings just continue the shitstorm.
I took Tong because it will provide people with true freedom. Will they rise, better than before, become the same, or fall with anarchy. Who knows ? At least there is a chance for better societal structure.
I prefer fusion ending.
I put myself in the shoes of JC and chose the first ending. But the third is the coolest one to watch.
+Benjamín Larenas Veas yeah i also chose the fist ending when i first played the game,seemed a bit logical to kill as the second was making the machine the all powerful god and third was overkill,but frankly i love the third one.i mean it always gives me goosebumps even today as i watch kahlil gibran's epic quote coming at the end.nothing like a rebel,i mean saying no to bending your backs to kings and emperors and believing only in truth tahts as cool as it gets
@@avikde9631 also great music amd Tongs overly excited voice
Is it just me, or did Mass Effect 3 copy all these endings nearly verbatim? They’re far too similar thematically. o.0
Destroy a society and rebuild...
Join and integrate with the enemy to help shape the world...
Combine as one being with machines for the betterment of all, since organics are too flawed by themselves.
Coincidence??
Extended Cut takes from the Invisible War, apparently.
I choose to listen to Helios because he seemed to be a really top notch fellow :3
even though that this game is 20 years old it is in my opinion still one of the greatest games ever made.
I agree.
Tongs ending really isn't even realistic. Imagine the internet, phones and TV goes out tomorrow. We would all be pretty confused but we'd still have power, we'd still have cars, planes etc. It'd fuck up the world for a while but it's not like the people who knew how this stuff all works would suddenly forget how it worked. They would eventually recreate the internet, TV and phones and other communication methods and probably fairly quickly. The infrastructure for all this stuff would still be there. All tong did is essentially destroy the worlds router. All his plan really accomplishes is causing chaos and death in the meantime before some form of communication is reestablished. Remember this is an even more advanced society than our own. They'd figure it out.
I was really hoping at the very end, you would see daylight... the game is so dark!!
In the HR, you do see the daylight... during one of the game's most horrifying levels, the Panchaea.
Deus Ex: Whoever wins, Bob Page loses.
Tong's way, cause mankind and the current state of the world (In Deus Ex) is fucked - only way to fix it is to start over again
I understand your viewpoint. But i honestly think mankind will repeat the same mistake over and over again. Only corrupt people get in powerful positions, only first generations may start honest (templars fex). There is also the fact that the sun won't last forever and that we need to get the hell out of this solar system, so we need to make huge leaps in technological advancements.
Jeron Cradle I see your point too, I guess mankind is doomed to fail :p
our star isnt even halfway depleted......we still have billions of years before it becomes a red giant and swallows the earth....or for some perspective its like 100,000,000x as long as humans have existed until the sun swallows our planet
Teagon Barry Have you heard of the habitable zone? We're at the edge of the narrow zone of that. We've got about 1 billion years.
Jeron Cradle lol dude you are missinformed, so we can agree that its widely accepted the earth has existed as a planet since colliding with the moon about 5 billion years ago, then for the first 2 billion years it was an inhabitable flaming rock when 2.5 billion years ago liquid water finally condensed from steam in the atmosphere and formed puddles on the surface where the first forms of microbial life sprung up. The point is its a widely accepted theory that we have about another 5 billion or about double the earths lifespan before solar flares start cooking the planet...so all the poor Chinese people are going to fry :( and other places that dont care about the enviorment.
I like how in that conversation with Helios the a.i. essentially answers nothing of what he asked but he agrees anyway and joins him.
helios is my favorite ending but tracer tongs is deffinetly the shitiest!
I chose #2. If the humans don't want me, I'll go ahead and ship myself into space and explore lol.
I like the dark age ending the most.
It has the most closure, but also the most open ending.
also, more epic
"If there were no God it would be nesessary to invent him" What a brilliant quote!
it there were no GEP gun it would be necessary to invent it
this game has the greatest sountrack out of any game ever
Well, as long as Helios isn't a slick ass mothafuckin' liar, or downloads porn, I find it to be the least evil.
At least it was cognizant enough to realize it needed to understand human emotion.
Idk why there’s so much hate towards the destruction ending. It wouldn’t mean people would live in villages, although Tong says so. Cell towers, and lines would still exist and so would local connections. The only thing it would change is stopping one “branch” from controlling the whole world (which is what the 1st ending is). It would be more like how the world is today than what it is in Deus Ex’s timeline.
Thing is all of that had been rerouted through Aquinas - the infrastructure literally did not exist any longer. It would be rebuilt, but along the smaller scale Tong envisioned, smaller, more accountable, less prone to usurpation by the powers that be.
illuminati ending: start again, just like the intro
China ending: trhow the dice from the very beggining and pray everything works
ia ending: I.a. dont take control, its just power, is denton who takes the desitions, and that's you.
This is one reason I loved Deus Ex and its freedom... you are forced to make decisions and the philosophy is with through the game. It's very rare to see such a thing, a game, where everything is done so right! Music, story, gameplay... everything!
Dark Age: A return to the past.
Iluminati: A continuation of the present.
HELIOS: The beginning of a new future.
Ah Deus Ex... A huge milestone in gaming.
All hail illuminati. Best ending so far, IMHO. Humankind need guidence, just think about that: technolohy and science progress goes hand in hand with social progress.
Do we have to trust some weird asian guy with strange personal interests and throw whole world into anarchy?! - No, thanks
OR do we have to trust computer to rule humanity? - Just remember the AM from book "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream", yeah.
Helios ending is the best . You literaly becaming lich king .
It's great that no ending seems perfect. Every decision has good and bad parts. The Iluminaty changes everything to the good old times while disrupting humans freedom, Helios wants a perfect life for humanity while becoming an absolute and inevitable god and Tong wants the medieval, which wasn't a paradise but cruel and barbaric if we remind hostory, but also free from control by a global network.
Watching this video reminds of why I love Deus Ex until when the endings played out. Jeez they were so short and provided a poor sense of closure with ending abruptly with a quote. Pissed me off until posted flame threads in DX fansites LOL!
Jensen's endings were short but I felt they had a more deeper meaning with him contemplating the choices he made and thus delivering a much more emotional impact.
Does Bob Page die in the Helios ending? It's not really clear if he did or was just trapped.
Hey look, it's the Mass Effect 3 ending
Except this one makes sense.
Deus Ex came before Mass Effect 3 so...
He knows Deus Ex came first, it's called a joke.
BelatedGamer He knows it was a joke, it's called a contradiction
No, it's the other way around. Mass Effect 3 IS the Deus Ex ending, lol.
:P Great to see others who picked the merge ending.
I could not trust the illuminati to not become corrupt again. An immortal AI with efficient governing, fused with a human with a kind heart....That seemed like the solution that was most likely to not end in failure for humanity.
Of course, there IS the chance that it would go badly. But the odds are less so than the other two options.
Out of all three "grey" endings...This one was the one that had the best potential for good, IMO.
I just finished this masterpiece for the first time. I think the Helios ending is the most logical one considering my JC finished the whole game without killing anyone besides the bosses
Helios ending.
This decision was difficult. I saw what Everett did to Lucius, and I never forgave him for that. He has already proven to use inhumane manipulation to stay in power, so why trust him? The last 2 ending brought up a argument: Which would survive, humans or machines? I chose to side with Tong because in the end, Helios would rely on humans to maintain his power, and people will always seek to overthrow him, in their minds. Just like in 1984, he can plant an idea, but it won't be a true belief.
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Chose the third ending which I think is best. Restarting it all didn't bother me one bit and the advantage of it is that this time things can be built right so that there isn't some big monolithic system that can easily be taken over and used for absolute control. With Denton still around, he can keep vigilant over the future and make sure that things are done right this time. I felt like the Helios ending would be too scary because once somebody figures out how to hack Helios/Denton that person will have massive power that can't be stopped.
I dont know man, how do you know thath things are not going to be done wrong again with tong`s ending?
German Dawidowski That is exactly why I didn't pick the Tong ending in the first game or the Darrow ending in the prequel. Why repeat the same mistakes? Shouldn't we learn from history, rather than starting over and repeating it? I thought progress was about moving forward, not jumping back to square one and then moving back to the square you were at...
DEUS EX: HR SPOILERS BELOW
On another note, I think they should remake the original Deus Ex and Deus Ex: IW, or make a midquel set after HR where you play as Jensen and try to stop Bob Page, maybe allowing you to stop Megan Reed from developing crap for him to enable a spin-off series set in another reality.
German Dawidowski How do you ever know if things will go right? There is no certainties in life. Starting all over makes more sense because it is known how giving power to a select few leads to inevitable suffering. In the Morgan ending, he talks about how people will forget what caused all of the trouble. In this Tong ending, you have to strive for the opposite and make sure people don't forget. That is how people like Page and Everett gain their power, by making everyone ignorant. You have to stop that.
John Galt It isn't repeating the same mistakes but restarting to ensure the same mistakes don't form again. Think of the Morgan Everett ending. The guy talks about how people will eventually forget because JC and him will ensure they hid and downplay the issue. That sort of thing is what recauses the trouble. If you let the people forget and not learn it causes the cycle to repeat. I chose to do the Tong ending knowing that wasn't enough. My JC would make sure the actions of Page and the Illumanti would never be forgetten. As well as highlighting the dangers of giving power to the few. Human society has had many situations where it was set back but came out better for it (Great Depression, World War II). Big events like these aren't easily forgotten and can lead to beneficial change. It is progress but somethings you have to go back to make bigger leaps forward (like when trying to make a super long jump for example).
LDub01031994 Let's see... roman empire collapses... looting and pillaging everywhere in the Middle Ages. Great Depression happens... World War II happens... yup, more of the same thing...
Are you saying that if such a similar series of events (Like an economic collapse) were to happen today, that a third time would be the charm, that we would really move forward? Because I think not... We repeat the mistakes we make if we don't learn from them... and enabling the circumstances that lead to those mistakes forming (In other words, collapse leading to pillaging and chaos) is not learning from them...
If we as a species repeat a mistake enough times, we will eventually end up far worse off than we were (Like, extinction-worse... guess what else came about from World War II, and by extension the Great Depression? Fucking nukes... something that should have never existed). We need to evolve. Technologically and naturally, with more responsibility in regards to both (Many times in fact, those two areas tend to overlap). Not just one or the other. Because then we can really move forward. Collapse is the act of moving backwards, with the end result being an ultimately worse existence, or a complete lack of existence thereof...
I also love how you make a false equivalency between an athletic feat and social change... like how some compare apples to oranges, or even oranges to carrots... just because apples and oranges are both fruits, or because oranges and carrots are both orange, does not mean they are the same in essence...
Back on the topic of this game's endings, I agree that I didn't like the Morgan ending either because that just emphasized on what was causing the story's problem (Irresponsibility with power and making it so that more irresponsibility is enabled through ignorance).
But then regarding the Tong ending... how does Denton know that Tong himself won't betray his goals and try to take advantage of the collapse? Or vice versa? It will just create more of the same potential conflict that will become worse as time progresses, potentially leading to the same mistakes being repeated. The ending also completely ignores the root of the problem by just shutting off Helios (And by extension, the internet in Deus Ex); it's like taking a knife out of the hands of a psychopath who murders people and saying, "There, problem solved! Not like he's gonna kill anyone using his bare hands or anything," when the problem is the psychopath using the knife to kill people instead of what the knife was intended for (Chopping vegetables and carving wood, lol)
In my opinion, the best ending in Deus Ex 1 is fusing with the AI, where Denton and Helios both enable knowledge to be spread, with little or no limits... this way, there is little to no ignorance. Even if someone does try to hack Denton, someone with knowledge can prevent or undo that. Like you said, don't want anyone to be ignorant right? Knowledge, and its spreading, is how you prevent ignorance. Remember how much the internet greatly changed things? Nothing like that has ever happened before in history; I consider the invention of the internet to be a polar opposite of the invention of the nuke, because of how much the internet has helped mankind.
how can a genius like Tong think that a simple reset would solve anything? His ending was the weakest one.
better than the cyberpunk endings
TRACER TONG IS ANPRIM GANG
I love the third ending, best music, best concept :)
kinda... CORONA isent it? ITS ALL TRUE!! PLAY THE GAME!
jsut kidding
or....
maybe not.
END OF LINE
stop doing this
0:05 I've always wondered if the globe under that hand was slowly rotating or not.
It is
I feel wired watching this on my computer now given that I named it after helios
the endings gave me chills . how real those scenarios could be.. :
naah, for one thing, there is no such thing as centralized internet, and internet's complete shutdown (even though impossible) wouldn't propel us back to middle ages, there is no all-knowing AI, and Illuminati is probably nothing like this game depicted.
I picked the "rock age" ending. I am very proud lol
They put in every ending as canon, JC merged with Helios, (Helios ending.) But the power was too much for him and Area 51 blew up (Tong ending) and after the collapse and the dark age, the illuminati took charge again (Illuminati ending)
I went for the villages ending, myself.
GOD i love this game..
interesting how they talk about vaccines and global agencies.
After tried Cyberpunk 2077 (which is a really good game) I still do belive that Deus Ex is the best cyberpunk game ever.
It's still insane to me that JC merging with the AI is the canon ending. I wish the devs hadn't needed to go through so much hell and we had gotten as amazing a continuation as this game set up.
What were you thinking, Tracer Tong?
Freedom. Self control.
Kopf Trommel ya that seems to have turned out really well in invisible war lololol
***** The Helios ending happened in Invisible war NOT tong's. They say it's "all" endings, but it's really just Helios' ending.
Everett did not know about cancel culture though
Just finished the game a few hours ago. I went with the Helios option.
Tong's idea just seems plain bad. It's a hyper-romanticization of small-scale communal living that turns a blind eye to how easily local warlords (backed by 2050s-era tech) would be able to subject people to their rule. The idea that things would be ideal if we erased N centuries of progress is pervasive and alluring but honestly kind of nuts, and Tong's way of doing is just ridiculous.
Everett's idea is OK in principle; root out the cause of the current problems and return to the old status quo with hopefully more benevolent direction. But with what an unmitigated asshole he is, and how willing he's been to screw over the people around him, I can't find any in-world reason to trust him or believe that JC would have any ability to keep him in check (or not end up in a body bag). Plus he built Morpheus, which tells you a thing or two about his character.
The Helios ending requires a huge leap of faith-that JC will retain his humanity, and/or that if he doesn't, the hybrid inhabiting his body will act with humanity's interests in mind. But, from the choices presented, the other two uphold or regress to a status quo that's lead humanity and the world to the brink of total collapse. So we can reject Helios and hope that going back to that same way of being just won't destroy everything the next time around, or we can take the gamble that Helios will come through. To me, the game theory adds up. All the choices are risks, but two are risks that have been proven to lead to disaster. Only Helios has an alternative that has the potential of ending that cycle, even if it's just a glimmer of hope.
Read Industrial society and its future
well the name of the game is deus ex . so yeah the helios ending is the actual ending as it literally makes it god in a machine
One of the best games i've played. I chose the last ending, blow everything up and rebuild. You can't trust an AI's ulterior motives, nor do you know how much you can influence it with your "flawed" human behaviour. Bringing humanity back to 20's century capitalism with the Illuminate running the threads in the background is not optimal either.
I must admit that seems the most romantic ending, the Tong one, but perhaps the most impractical - the weak link is always human beings and they way they think and I think the Tong ending would have reverted the world into a state of barbarism. It was the ending I favoured tho, but I did wonder how JC would survive as he was a product of the modern age and how would his Augs and stuff survive in a "primitive" society