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Porsche Cayman GT4: Better Than A 911? - XCAR
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- Опубліковано 8 жов 2015
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With the Cayman GT4 Porsche have finally delivered the Cayman we always wanted. Is it better than a 911?
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naturally aspirated mid engine + rwd + manual = all the car you will ever need...well done Porsche
Im so glad they kept the manual gearbox.
This is a very good video and was very instrumental in me purchasing my GT4. Two notes for those interested:
1. The sport button is simply an auto blip button. It does not change any of the performance of the car besides the auto blip. The car is always in a sport mode.
2. The carbon seats I have found to be extremely comfortable and they are all the business. It was a six hour drive home from the Porsche dealership where I bought the car and I had no complaints. However that is personal preference. Others may find the seat a bit uncomfortable.
As for the fun and sound factor - this video does it great justice. This car is the best car I have ever driven and it sounds absolutely glorious.
This is a great car review. I wasn't screamed at. You didn't try to impress with stupid burnouts. No blaring music. No quick editing. You did not babble on.
Thank you!
1. Sport button doesnt change throttle response and 2. It definitely isn't quiet or liveable even with buttons turned off, it's always hardcore (which is a good thing)
XCar has honestly been putting out some of the absolute best content on UA-cam this year. Even much better than many bigger Channels like /Drive.
> /Drive
you mean /Ads
+Tom de Weerdt This. Stopped watching /Drive for that crap.
Absolutely agree with this. XCar's videos are great!
well done, great video, great editing. love your channel. keep up the good work.
+SoCalSupercars I completely gave up on /Drive, even though they used to be my favorite car channel besides evo. XCar, however, hits the perfect tone in my opinion: lots of background history, an AWESOME host, beautiful photography and none of the childish sideways stuff I don't care much about.
This guy is by far one of the best & most entertaining reviewers out there... no doubt about it.
You guys are like Top Gear, a good review, but with a bit of passion. Keep up the great work!
nah, top gear had humour, this has none
+ichiban ter top gear was the jersey shore version of motoring shows, though it did have its merits
Top shore
+TickleMeShlomo
You put it nicely, I agree.
I see Top Gear as a comedy show that happens to be about cars.
Here comes Jeremy Clarkson screaming 'POOWEER'
'IT GOES AROUND A CORNER REALLY FAST' and other things I don't really car car journalism. I don't have a problem with the program, it's just not for me. What does irritate me is that TG spawned a generation of people that like cars, but I can't really talk about cars with them. They still don't know anything technical. That just saddens me.
+Tom de Weerdt That's what I feel too
According to the head of gt department the sport button does nothing other than turn on and off rev match. They didn't have time/money to implement true changes with the sport button.
Beautiful.
+Mumbo Jumbo You're in the comments of every video I watch. lol
+AbbasSyed I mostly watch car videos, GMM and Casey Neistat. So yeah haha
Hey mumbo fancy seeing you here
+Mumbo Jumbo Mumbo ?? Are you a fan of Porsche?? Can I double sub to you ??
+AbbasSyed I didn't even knew who he is tll yesterday just looked because his comment is under every video I watch too :D True petrol heads I guess (shmee150, chris harris, motor trend, evo, jay lenos garage ftw)
This is hands down the best video XCar has ever made, Alex felt like he meant every word he said and enjoyed every minute he got to spend with the car. I can´t say that of many other videos in this channel. Though they are all great.
GT4, one of my realistic dream cars! Stunning looks, Porsche quality, short throw manual gearbox, detuned Carrera S engine (385 hp). What can go wrong, and what more could you possibly need?
This guy totally reminds me of Richard Hammond by way of his voice, tone and inflections. Very much a top gear feel to him. And THAT'S a good thing!
But his accent is different from Hammond's.
You and chris harris have the best car channels on youtube, hands down
I bet my both arms and legs, with shorter gears that thing can fly 0 to 62 in under 4 secs.
It would struggle as you'd have to change to 3rd to get to 60, thus negating any benefits gained from the shorter ratios. With longer gearing it'll do the dash in 1st and 2nd. With a PDK, no doubt it would nudge under 4secs, however.
+Matthew Hall You do realise that it can currently reach 82 in second gear right? Therefore having shorter ratios doesnt necessarily mean you'll need to grab third to reach 60.
+Kurt Phillips Yeap, a shorter 2nd gear to say... 65mph max would be perfect so you would still be in 2nd gear reaching 60 but in the peak power curve.
sure! But I think then it would get too dangerous for the 911
+Leon Kalogeropoulos it sold out almost instantly, it doesn't matter if it poses a danger to the 911 or nor. They just used the gearbox they already had, probably for cost reasons.
as a gt4 owner for the last 14 months I have to say your review and comments are bang on the money. well done!
I loved 911's, I still do, but honestly they've changed to the point that they just seem so bla. I think they are getting bigger and it's loosing the appeal that it once had with me. When the Cayman first came out I hated it. Now I really love it because it reminds me of what the 911 used to be.
The super long gear ratio was just Porsche's clever way of holding the car back and protecting the 911
Makes you hate the brand a bit lol so cleaely they can make a better product but they wont because they wont make as much money off it....hmm.. lol
Drag racers around the continent are rolling their eyes thinking about how easy it is to spend a few bucks and rehear a transmission to get the exact ratios you want. Porsche has their reasons for doing it but it’s not that hard to cut some gears and slip them in the case.
The 911 has the same 2nd gear ratio. Same as the GT3 too.
Everytime i watch your videos, at the end i'm always subconsciously expecting an applause... like in top gear..
That’s an awesome piece of engineering & art. Beautiful, a true drivers car.
These things will never be affordable for youngsters.
Even used ones in 10 year won't go down in price, only way is up.
+wtfdididolastnight Even used ones with 100,000 miles on them start at £12 grand ( for a 2006 model ). And if by 'youngsters' , you mean teenagers....the insurance alone would destroy that dream. No... these things are destined for middle-aged farts with pot bellies and receeding hairlines.
+Martin Allen I'm 22 and selling cars, one day i'll be that fat Director bloke in his secondhand GT4, but with a shorter gear ratio that is =D
+Martin Allen That will be solved soon. The 911 already changed to turbo charging, so the Boxster / Cayman will surely soon follow. However it will probably be 4-cylinder turbos, so the sound will not be as glorious as the naturally aspirated 6-cylinders, we get now.
Walter Rohrl just bought a Boxster Spyder with the 3,8 liter engine. And I think, that was a clever decision. Because this "last hurra" for the naturally aspirated engines is extremely likely to become a collector item in the future.
+celt67 The average Porsche buyer is 56 years old (in Germany)... so it's 40 years more wanking for most UA-camrs, statistically speaking ;)
+wtfdididolastnight Just about all good cars these days are stupidly over priced compared to wages. Take the new civic type r for example. When it came out in 2001 the EP3 was 16k brand new. The 2015 type r is 30k. I don't know about you but I'm still waiting for my wage to double what it was in 2001. It's shit working full time and not being able to afford what you want. It's hardly surprising so many people just say fuck it and live on benefits. You still can't buy what you want, but there's no getting your arse out of bed 5 days a week for the privelige.
It's getting better all the time. If you've raced, you know that the chassis configuration (mid engine) is better than rear engine for many reasons. I feel that it looks better than the current 911 series as well. Why is it not better geared? More powerful? Marketing deference to the 911, yes, but also because Porsche want to have room for future upgrades and further interest in the Cayman. They're in the business of maintaining sales year over year. The upgrades will come, as they always have. Well done, Porsche, and XCAR.
never been a huge fan of the 911, but these caymans have got me interested
Dan James The Cayman GT4 is the business. I was lucky enough to get first-hand experience of this beast. See what this owner thinks of his GT4 in this video.
ua-cam.com/video/Zqz5Kcz8dzY/v-deo.html
The GT4 has to be the best looking Porsche ever made, possibly even beating the 918. It just all works so well together.
He said, "hardcoreiest".
I dig that.
best car Porsche makes. connected drivers car, not over done. my favorite new car since the 4c
As much as I love the concept of the GT4, I'd say that Porsche would've done some things differently if they wanted it to truly be the best the Cayman can be. Most notably, stuffing the same 500HP flat six into it the 991 GT3 RS has. That and an optional PDK transmission. Porsche might have upped the level they allow the Cayman to be at, but they're certainly still holding it back to not interfere with the 911...
Great video, by the way - as usual :D
+Tobias Bernhardt Porsche claims the 4 liter from the RS won't fit without significant costly redesign and I can see that being possible. However the gear ratios and 15 hp detune of the engine are ridiculous marketing gimmicks to keep 911s ahead of its younger brother. Hopefully someone will realize that there is room in this world for two distinct and equally fast types of Porsches one smaller with two seats and mid engine or one four seats and larger with rear engine. People that like the way a 911 drives don't care about 15 horsepower they care about the rawness and unique handling. Some people like balance. Porsche is making a mockery of themselves with these continued shenanigans.
Chris Powers First time I heard the engine was considered and just didn't fit. Don't know what to make of that, there are shops that offer swapping the 3.8 litre flat sixes into Caymans and Boxters, so I don't know what to make of that statement. Might be true, don't know how the engines compare in terms of size.
But, yeah, as your said, the detuned engine and the gear ratios are a bit of a hint of Porsche's intentions...
I read that the reason the 3.8 in the gt4 is down in hp compared to the 911 was because they had to re design the intake manifold.
It's possible the 4.0 wouldn't have fit
However, I do believe that they are still holding the gt4 back.... It seems like it sure as hell needs shorter gears.
+Jason Ortiz you don't need shorter gears just change out the final drive gear in the differential. That would be a feasible upgrade for this car. I would gear it so it would hit 65 on the top of second gear that would make it a sub 4 second car to 60.
+lonewolf5460 yeah that's what I meant haha
Shorter final drive would make this a monster.
that review was amazing! I get mine Saturday :) can't wait
Agreed, that would be my perfect car!
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT...!!GT3 IS NOT AN ''EVERYDAY CAR'' ...TURBO S IS AND THE RACE TRACK LAP TIMES ARE IDENTICAL BECAUSE OF THE POWER AND AWD!!U MAKE GREAT VIDEOS!
I work with exotics and I've driven the GT4. He was spot on about everything he said; explained it perfectly!! What a car.
Best reviewers on youtube. Test drove and bought my car after watching some of the stuff here.
+Carfection my options were seat cupra 280 and megane rs 265... Test drove both and went with the megane rs
Great review. I heard the sport button is only to turn on the rev match. No changes to steering or throttle response.
If it had the rear end of the '16 Turbo S & headlights ,This would be one of the best looking cars all time :)
Even though he drives on the wrong side of the road and the wrong side of the car (from a US perspective) and gives weights in the Metric system, this reviewer does a damn fine job.
Spectacular film of a spectacular car. Keep up the excellent work.
that transmission kills it! Why did Porsche do that? They fucked up, as much as I hate to say it ... shorter gears = more fun
I love this guy! Along with chris harris..
What a review! One of the best you've done so far!
The cayman is for the man who can't afford a 911. The cayman gt4 is for the man who wants more than a 911.
+1...Oh yeah... The Carfection presenters know their business... Great work to presenters and crew...
Simply an amazing Porsche...my personal favorite now....
I think Matt Farah reviewed one of these by sharkwerks or something like that and they change the gearing around and apparently just completely changes the car in a good way
I now have this car a 2016 and love it. Unfortunately my car is tucked away for the winter as I live within a snowball here in Canada. I can't wait for spring to arrive to get her back on the road.
most under rated car show on UA-cam by far.. keep up the good work!
it should be said " hardcorest caymen money can buy, from Porsche"
there are some real monsters out there that Porsche probably wouldn't be too thrilled about
Universal complaint with the GT4 is its long gears. But its pretty much the only complaint.
Porsche are great sales men. they did not give it a pdk option because it would have been to quick. So they sell it as a driver's car with a manual, wait it's still too fast so longer gears it is. Bunch of fucking assholes, I prefer manual but there is no reason this car should not have a 0-60 under 4 seconds.
lonewolf5460 with the GT4 many are claiming that Porsche finally allowed their engineers to design a Cayman without compromises. But it's apparent from the GT4's unusually tall gears that that is still not the case.
+JoeBlo2 exactly I feel like they are hurting the brand more by doing this and taking people for fools vs just releasing the car with short gears for manual and a pdk option.
+JoeBlo2 How about it costs too much for what you get? I shopped a Cayman S. It had rubber weatherproofing hanging out the crack between the driver's door and the left front fender. It was $88.9. For that kind of money, I expect the little things to be ironed out. I'll stick with my Merc.
Yoo Jastle Cayman GT4 is the exact price as the cheapest 911.
nice, but a bit 'look at me!'.. maybe in black or grey? those spoilers say - "I'm not designed quite right so stick a plank on me arse so I don't fall off the road"
Extroverted people will not mind then
Well done, I like the GT4
I applaud Porsche for finally making a car that doesn't sound exactly like every other 6-cylinder car they've made in the last 15 years. (Save for the 911 Turbo which sounds like every other 6-cylinder car they've made in the last 15 years with a vacuum cleaner attached to it.)
Great car, great video...I just can't understand why they made it a limited edition. 500 cars is not enough.
+kraenk12 I agree with your objection, however 500 is not an accurate number. More than that came (are coming) to North America alone.
They made 2500
I’m thinking this might be a good starter Porsche before I get my dream Porsche gt3😍😍🏁🏁
Finally, somebody mentioned the shorter stick. I've never driven one but I always thought it looked slightly shorter.
This channel just keeps getting better and better. Keep it up boysss
The argument of which is better is too subjective. But personal the porche I prefer is the Cayman GT4 not the 911. Smaller & Mid Engine with enough power to be balanced seems to fit me more personaly. Add ontop of the GT division suspension and handling tuning that is icing on the cake for me.
Great video Mr. G, I absolutely love your in depth review, pointing out the and the idiosyncrasies as well. Other then some dimensional tech really well done!!
Great review mate. What a car! I drove an older Cayman S for the first time recently, and have considered selling my restored 1966 912 to buy one. All this talk of having the best top speed is just a pissing contest at the local cafe' in my opinion. It's not how fast you can go in a straight line, but how well you can use the horsepower between the corners as demonstrated in this video. This seems to be nearly the perfect hills blaster. I also prefer the styling of the GT4 to a 911, but thats my personal taste.
Indeed it's a rewarding machine, I just bought an E46 m3 manual to pair it with my GT4.
i love when they talk about the cars like they have soul and spirit... not many car reviewers do this
As I always say- great job to Alex and XCar on this one
Just to let you know pushing the "sport" button does not tighten up the steering and everything else like you said.
All the sport button does is turn on the auto rev matching feature and that's it.
A heads up.
love your reviews, easy to understand all what you are saying cause english is not my language
I heard one of these today don't know if he had a custom exhaust or not but I'm thinking it was stock due to its composure but its fucking loud as shit! Anyone have any experience with these? Are they pretty damn loud from factory? I'm not a Porsche guy or At least I wasn't but after seeing and hearing this blue one I saw in Dallas I was like holy shit I'm a Porsche guy now. To be honest I'm not surprised that I like the sound of the stock exhaust if it was in fact that Eisenman makes the factory exhaust for Porsche and AMG and I daily drive a C63 AMG and I absolutely love it so Eisenman has been doing something right for a long time that's for sure
This was 7 years ago and look how now they have the GT4RS… who would have thought???
Applaud Porsche for putting a manual in this instead of the PDK, but it's a shame the gearing is so long. This thing could be a real rocket with shorter gearing, and for something so track focused, its surprising Porsche put such lengthy gearing in it. I have a feeling it might have something to do with encroaching on the 911's territory, but either way, it's kind of a shame. Regardless, still a brilliant car.
Good video. Good host. Excellent cinematography and great scenery. One noticeable ommision...Alex didn't really expand on the unnecessarily tall gearing that most other reviews gripe about. For a driver's car to have taller gearing than a Corolla is inexcusable.
To quote Chris Harris about a different Porsche, "The want is strong with this one!"
I'm really enjoying this guy's reviews, the best out there by far. He comes across as likeable and sincere and of course passionate about driving engaging cars.
if only the cayman was called 981c this would be my dream car. a final ratio gear fix shouldn't be anything too complicated to do.
It's all about the driving, the feeling of driving fast, or just drivng.
Lap times mean shit unless you re racing.
I'd love one of these, of course.
I could settle for a GT 86 as well.
Does not matter how fast they are as long as they are built for the enthusiast, the driver in you.
+Christos Segkounas we both know that's a load, so let's say your GT 86 now has 50 less horsepower, are you still a fan? 80 less? There is room for both speed and handling and the Cayman GT4 and even Cayman GTS are at the intersection of both. The GT 86 is not... sorry.
no flappy paddles, very nice. have to say i think this would be the porsche i'd buy, even if i had the funds for the gt3.
little chip tune so the sport button can stay off and not blip for me, muffler bypass and a shorter final drive and it'd be perfect.
Porsche will never make cayman better than 911 and it's totally understandable and it makes sense! Surprisingly this Cayman GT4 is cheaper than a base 911, given that there are same options applied(you know porsche and their options..). Sorry but Cayman will always going to be Cayman. With that said, I love this thing. So sexy, so driver focused, so porsche.
Manual boxes are great for the occasional day out or test drive, however for a daily driver i would say that a PDK is a massive plus point
You could almost count on one hand how many manual box cars Ferrari were selling before they stopped offering them.
+M3Conv But thats mainly because PDKs make it easier to drive fast/accelerate hard. And people who pay s lot of money for a fast car dont want to be slowed by something as unrelevant as their own driving skills. In my personal expirience a auto-gearbox will always take away a lot of feeling from the way you drive, and I drive cars mainly for the feeling i get, not so much to get the best possible speed or acceleration. A auto just makes me lazy and not enjoy the car as much as i could. Sadly they are dying out.
Baerzilla
I could never go back to a manual, its like making Usain Bolt run in flip flops
M3Conv
Got to admit, the M4 was the first car where i knowingly and with free will opted for the Double Clutch. Because its just so damn good. Damn you BMW... Looking at your name i guess i know where you're coming from as well. I still miss my manual sometimes though.
Baerzilla
I have not had a manual box car for 5 years now and would never go back unless it was for a purely weekend sports car.
I have a 2012 M3 (they upgraded the DCT software in 2011) and it provides near instantaneous shifts.
I believe that the PDK in the Porsche and the M4 box are even better, in that case they must be mind blowing good.
+M3Conv: The PDK is not only better, it is just the best Dualclutch on the market, the fastest, the most reliable and progressive one, Porsche used the first one 30 years ago so I think they know how to build them! lol
there will be a PDK version in Club Sport spec coming soon ^^
+Iris C Not street legal.
+Squirrelz Correct.
+Squirrelz PDK will also be introduced in the GT4 street version at the same time the Club Sport makes its debut at the L.A. Auto Show.
this presenter/ tester had a sit down talk with Porsche, I imagine it went like thiis- don't mention the fact that we can make the Cayman superior than the 911for the simple fact that it is mid-engine, we invested too much on the 911 and don't want to lose big $$$, if you trash the 911 you won't have any more cars lent out to you to present/test!
I'm liking this channel as much as motor trend now.
Yes Porsche gave Cayman the bigger engine after all the criticism but countered that (fooled everyone) with longer gear ratio so it STILL wouldn't be quicker than 911. A small and agile sports car but with gear ratio fitting a family car :)
great review! VW has been on a roll for about 5 years now. I am just afraid that their stupid TDI problem will bring this awesome toll that have been on to an abrupt end. Quality will suffer, r&d budgets are gonna get slashed. I can certainly see it coming and unfortunate as it going to be...
Honestly, say what you will but i'd take the Cayman GTS (one you can actually buy...). Less engine yes, but with a PDK just as fast and more of a GT car for everyday. I live outside of the city but the traffic is terrible still and the PDK would help with that. Moreover, I doubt I'd track it more than say once a year so the GT3 suspension upfront and revised suspension in the back would be lost on me. Besides, from everything I hear and see the GTS is excellent in terms of handling as is.
I predict that this one will be a great collectable in some years.
Well you know what, the statement at the end of this video, is very very true and I agree fully. If only I have the money and Porsche produced more of these beauties, I would buy it.
1:36 You might want to state that the parts included on the GT4 are from a 991 GT3. The one shown here is a 997 GT3.
great review my friend Ave to be one of my favourite reviewers any chance of you getting on top gear would defo start to watch it again
Not Carrera S Engine!
A 3.8 l engine is used in the new Cayman GT4. This is based on the 3.4 l
mid-mounted flat-six engine of the Cayman GTS. Technical innovations,
which can also be used on the Cayman GTS, make it possible to achieve
high performance as well as high efficiency
with low fuel consumption in addition to compliance with emission
regulations. These include, for example, VarioCam Plus, direct fuel
injection (Direct Fuel Injection DFI), variable tuning flaps and
intelligent thermal management.
The pistons of the Cayman GT4 3.8 liter engine are identical to those of the 991 Carrera S and are made of pressed alloy.
Like
the 981 engines, it features: • Two oil extraction points per cylinder
head • One electrically activated demand-controlled oil pump • One
baffle plate between crankcase and oil pan
Transmission type G81/20 No. of gears 6 Spread 3.93 Transmission capacity 420 Nm
Good observations Re 3.4l flat six engines. I had my 981 Cayman S ecu safely remapped to 364hp, 420Nm, 0-100km/h 3.89sec.
Hair-trigger throttle response and pulls like the clappers from 3000rpm to redline. The chassis comes alive with the restored power Porsche stole from this 3.4l engine.
my gt4 is the best car, in terms of involving and fun, that i ever driven.... fantastic review mate!
they made this because the new twin turbo base carreras will be faster than before, thereby keeping the 911 on its pedestal.
the 991.2 carrera s is faster than a 997 gt3 rs.
the 911 has some undeniable acceleration and grip advantages due to its setup, and driving characteristic advantages over the Cayman also due to its set up, for example, it easier to throttle steer in a corners with the 911 where a Cayman or other mid engine cars would understeer. Over the years they have really honed the ass engine concept and it keeps getting better.
dare I say, put the DSG in it, along with the 911s twin turbo eng & AWD and this becomes the best sports car ever created!!!
That is a VERY angy-sounding 6 cylinder. I like it.
+Borderline5440 does sound excellent
Thanks Alex and XCar crew
Looks better than a 911, so it is better than a 911
The new 2017 911 RSR race car announced at the LA Auto Show has gone mid-engine. Kind of hard to argue that a 911's rear engine is superior when even Porsche themselves throw in the towel to try to make the 991 race car competitive with the best sports cars on the market.
"you can't buy one anymore" lol I literally just found 100s for sale. Literally. I know this video is older, but Its still funny how many are being sold.
what he meant is, you can't order it anymore. its sold out. all the ones you see for sale are the people that are flipping it.
bobkin611 what where do u live? I can only find around 4 of them within 750 KM around me
ZDY California haha
Just wish the gearing was shorter. Beyond that, this car is superb
Great Video!!! Shame I can't buy one anymore!!
In my opinion yes it is. To me the GT4 is the perfect sports car and the new one with 414 hp is pure perfection. Hopefully I can get one in 20 years haha.
Ok I bought a GT4 myself and I am still breaking it in...I do not live in a busy downtown city and most of my roads are country roads with some twisties...every car I have owned is a manual and unless you have to drive in stop and go traffic everyday, and if you do I feel bad for you, a manual is the more engaging vehicle to drive ...sure lap times are lap times... But if you prefer a paddle shift to a sweetly timed heel toe down shift then maybe you should just give it upand get a tesla or better yet a chauffeur so you actually do not have to drive at all...SAVE THE MANUALS!!!
This guys is one of the best.. If not.. THE BEST!.. Crackin' review mate.. haha..
this is truly a drivers car, give me this over any car in the same price range..it looks really nice too, lucky owners
+Keith W. Guess how much is wishbone on that thing or a brake rotor, clutch disc, forget transmission. This isn't drivers car- it's a pose mobile to fragile for any serious hard driving.
Great insert, keep up the stellar job
If they are smart, some Porsche oriented shop will start working on a package to do a transmission swap to a transmission with shorter gear ratios, or to change the final drive gear ratio to increase the GT4's acceleration... Second gear topping out at 82 mph or so sounds a bit silly to me... If 2nd topped out at about 62-65 mph, it'd be more on the money... I'm sure there are people out there who'd sacrifice a little top end speed (who is going to be driving this thing all the way to 180+ mph very often?) for quicker acceleration.