It's an Awsome package, I did a small test ride a few days ago at a local shop (Edit: in Germany) and the owner did the evening before ride our local trail park, he was positively impressed and so was I, can't wait to get my amflow 😉, if it's not your only bike as a hard hitter (lucky to have a Spindrift) then rocking the trails down and up is a sure thing on the Amflow. I am also keen on seeing how well it can do a long tour, nobody has really done an endurance test. With Bosch Gen 4 I could do about 95km and 1200+m of height, guess the Amflow will beat that which would be Awsome.
I'm 210lbs it's noticeable to a point I hold back alot on it, it really does need what cube do and use an alloy rear triangle on this bike! I have a new cube aswell as this the cube is faster because just thrash it the amflow need be careful them stays don't snap and they will! Also should have really had 38s on it to help with front end flex this is what's next for mine but again don't want to make it not flex enough that it also fractures the headtube it's abit of a headache for heavier riders it's mainly tested with Chinese dudes light as feather so just something to keep in mind! Not worth the price tag though this i have to say something about!
@@Emtbtoday I ride an Orbea Wild that suits me really well andis stiff enough. I look for reviews where lighter riders say it might be a bit too stiff for them. Those bikes are normally perfect for me. That said the Amflow looks like a cool bike for the Missus to replace here 2021 Canyon Spectral with EP8 motor. Makes it a bit easier for here to keep up/let my wait less ;)
Thank you for this thorough review! Huge fan of DJI and its products. I have been keeping my eyes on Amflow for a while now. So far, super impressed with the motor.
@@erikwebb8854For the Chinese haters out there, don't buy this bike. Dji is a Chinese brand and made in China. For others, buy one quick before the government ban all Dji products or put tariffs on Chinese products.
Thank you for actually talking about how the bike actually rides. 95% of vids on this bike is just froth on the motor/electronics forgetting that it's an actual bike that has to perform (MBR at least spoke about it briefly and also mentioned the frame flex). Despite the impressive motor etc, I feel like it makes the same mistakes as other SL eMTBs - their primarily objective is weight and subsequently gives up a lot in that department (e.g. an extra 200-300grams in the frame would have made this bike have a broader appeal.
@@frenchdomUK, not sure where you are? . Also just had email from Amflow stating it can now be ordered on their website. Delivery eta end of this month.👍
Awesome review! Thank you. One concern I have as the eBike industry moves forward is how much is too much power/torque? I see more and more trail user conflict as our eBikes get faster, especially uphill. Of course the "throttle" is always in the hands of the user. Personally when I'm riding one of my eBikes i am SUPER EXTRA courteous to other trail users, I hope others do the same!
As others here have said, put out a 180/170 Enduro 38 fork version AMFLO...and since DJI is so innovative, let's add a 9-spd compact MGU to it. Finally, at least license the DJI system to a US bike manufacturer like Intense or Pivot for different suspension designs to be sold in North America.👊
Amflow will have put the bike through all the relevant safety tests. It's rated as cat 4. The size goes up to XXL with a 525mm reach, rider height of up to 6ft 7". I'm pretty sure that there won't be a rider out there under 95kg at this height 🤔 Do they really need an Enduro build when a 150/160mm trail will do most things. Plus this is meant to be a lightweight bike with full power. Just pick your lines more carefully or buy a different bike 🙄 There is simply nothing in this category that stacks up to this. Sure they will probably offer the drive system to other bike manufacturers. Bosch, Brose and Shimano among others will be rightly concerned.
Thanks for this review. Power is nothing in control and Bosch may have had the right approach with their 5th generation and not pushed their motor. What I may expect from these long established brands is to learn from DJI on the improvement and number of sensors, the high density of the batteries with a lower weight and especially the speed of charging them
In EU the continous output is limited to 250W anyway. So as long as you are not smashing the boost-mode nonstop, it just averages out like any other full power e-bike. Just like a car with 500hp, that uses about 40 of it in everyday driving scenarios.
if the system was not effective you would not have noticable time diffrences on hill climbs its smashed alots of times versus other well know brands on other test reviews
It's only in racing that it's interesting, when I do my Sunday outings, I don't care about gaining 1 or 2 minutes on a climb, what matters to me is to arrive there not too tired... the effort is an intrinsic part of this sport, otherwise you have to get on a motorbike!@waichungsham1578
I think around 90NM is max for the drive trains we currently have available Manufactures need to beef up chains,cassettes, chain rings to handle the high torque that the industry is likely heading to So the solution has to be MGU!
What would a 10spd drivetrain torque rating be? Feels like we need to change back to less gears when you can just add watts with the touch of a button.
What helmet brand and model are you wearing? Thanks for sharing. Looks very promising. I’ve been holding out for my first E-mountain bike. This bike is definitely in the running.
if your making an ebike video and don't playback noise up and downhill without voiceover or music ... then whats the point of the video, its one thing that is not subjective and i can get most of the other details off the website
My concerns would be that it is power thirsty and the wear on transmission components. Seems like the power would need to be tuned down on the app so at that point might as well buy a 80-90NM bike?
cannot talk about a dji but I rented a bosch gen4 to know what I wanted or not on an emtb before buying one, 22miles 5813ft 36km 1772m D+ rolling time 3h55 according to strava had 25% of a 750wh battery left mostly on gravel dirt road the toughest part on grass off trail I basically went up ski slopes in autumn in the swiss alps I used eco 0-10% slope tour 10-20% slopes emtb 20% or more and never used turbo if it was too steep for emtb I pushed using walk assist my toughts at the end of the day were that I would not buy a bike you cannot tune the modes to your usage, eco helped slightly not enough (just did 3280ft 1000m on muscular it felt to me it didn't quite compensate the bike weight but it was a heavy alu bike 26kgs) tour helped way too much it tried to go too fast while I was pedaling at my usual cadence oversensitive acceleration pickup which drained the battery for no reason, emtb was fine but already started slipping 1-2x even with a 2.6" 27.5 tire (mullet bike) with massive knobs "more power" is absolutely not something I wanted as I had tire slip going up slopes I was hugging the bike not to flip backwards what annoyed me was the walk assist was trying to go too fast for me pushing up a 100% slope something Bosch tweaked in the 2025 motor fyi
Seriously the rocky mountain is not far away from this and gives me this power all the time and im also amazed by its power. Im very fit rider and i use the bike only on rest days in highest power level and i ride up the mountain faster than what you showed me here. So not sure whats the fuzz about here.😊
Was the flex in hard compressions noticiable compared to say a 140-150mm non motorised trail bike e.g. norco sight, trek fuel ex? Or is it flexy compared to a bigger 160-170mm enduro bike? Hard question to answer I know, I'm just thinking is the super light weight frame to blame? As a 220-230pound dude it's the only question mark I've got stopping me from pulling the trigger! Also subscribed, apprecaited the free content and no sweat off my back to hit a button
Thanks so much for joining we appreciate it. As far as flex goes, compared to a Norco Sight, specifically the new high pivot one, in carbon, it may be a little more flexy. AMFLOW is close but slightly less stiff.
I’ll wait for version 3 to come out- in 12 years I’ll be 60. Maybe a new motor, solid state battery, belt drive and transmission. For now still using my legs to get uphill. 🇨🇦
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If you fall on a emtb at 60, you are more prone to bone braking and never coming back due to slower recovery pal, the future is now, so is the fun
Unlike bosch and shimano it has an encoder ring like an abs ring for motorcycles for speed detection, so im pretty sure you will get aftermarket rings with fewer trigger points to trick the bike into thinking that you are actually going slower than you are. Not that i would advise it, but it would be easily doable. The electric transmission doesn't communicate with the bike anyway, so it has no idea in what gear it is, so it couldn't check for plausible results
I wish you tested it in a manner that represents actual use when timing the climb. My climbs are usually 30 minutes and sometimes a couple of hours on bigger mountains so it's unrealistic to think that I'll be pressing and holding the boost button every 30 seconds and that also detracts from the experience. When I'm in the middle of a technical section of the climb, I can't divert my attention to holding the boost button when boost cuts out as I'll be modulating my brakes instead. Unless you're focusing on marketing, any performance tests should be done in a manner that represents realistic riding.
When we publish a long term review of the bike we will have those types of stats. This is more of a first look, informational and product focused feature, not a review. We test bikes for several months before we release those but wanted to get this out as we’ve been getting tons of questions.
Best review for the Amflow so far well done 😁. I agree with one of the comments about how does it compare for miles/watt hour at the same Nm/power output. This metric would be super useful for you guys to start to quote. The Nm/power output would need to be made the same, as far as possible, between the different motors, and tests would need to be done on the same trails by same rider using the same tyres for all motors, as this would unify the tests as far as possible. From what I have seen this bike is a battery drainer, which TBF is to be expected with the higher motor output. Thats why I would like to see this tested with restricted motor output, to properly compare with Bosch and Brose, to see if it can be as efficient as those motors.
@@malanalan1 Not entirely correct. An advert would not include any negative comments about the bike. This channel is pretty honest in making their own opinions heard.
All well and good but the UK (and others) restrict speed on ebikes unfortunately. It's a huge shame, just 10mph more would make such a difference coming up to bigger jumps
I have one of these on order and am waiting for delivery...I have gone for the cheaper model but will be changing wheels, tyres, suspension, bar&stem! I am really interested to see what you think of how the bike rides on your 'full review' as I think that you guys always give your honest opinion rather than follow the hype!
Thank you! We make it a priority and always let the brands know our first goal is to be honest and help the viewers. That said, opinions and tastes are different for all riders, but we think you’ll enjoy then detailed review.
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Just make sure not to increase the travel because Amflow doesn't allow it, warranty issues. That is why most of us riding enduro bikes, wait for a burlier version of the bike
Amflow do allow an increase to 170mm on the fork...not sure how you would increase rear travel with it being a 185x55 trunnion shock...I have just gone for a better quality rear shock in the same size ;-) Oh, and it will be a Mullet!
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@@DaveWarrington I emailed them and they replied, no 170 fork compatibility...hope they come up with a longer travel version which is very possible
Hopefully the motor lasts pong apparently they are having motor production problems and haulted just now and very limited to use for warranty replacements! Lots leaks coming out of china just now wouldn't say it was future proof yet so its made me put the brakes on just now atleast till January see hoe they ick up!
TBD. Amflow was originally saying Q4 of this year, but has been delayed until early 2025...hopefully. Pricing for this model will likely be around the $10k mark.
For the Chinese haters out there, don't buy this bike. Dji is a Chinese brand and made in China. For others, buy one quick before the government ban all Dji products or put tariffs on Chinese products.
Same for me: the drone batteries drain quickly if you do not use it. And I suppose DJI use the same technology for their bikes. This will be a good point for your review…
looks actually great I'm guessing a 200mm or a 180mm it can start from the frame I wish mine could but I can only get a 180mm and have to make it start 60mm above frame (I wanted a smaller M so that was expected)
GX axs electric. The non pro has a manual GX. Unfortunately the electric one isn't powered by the bikes battery, so you have to have an eye on the battery level on the transmission or have a spare one with you. Sram would offer cables to replace the battery on ebikes, although thats a 150 euro cable and you need to drop the motor out of the frame for installation
I know you can’t divulge what you don’t know but…I know for myself I follow this channel to get relevant information for the US consumer. Even some speculation or insight into when this may be available here would be appreciated.
Absolutely great point. This is why we try our best to mention in our reviews that different people have different tastes! Just like food, your local trails, desire and preferences can mean one bike works for you and another just wont! Flex isn't always bad.
We did ride it with those tires briefly for early riding and filming. However we replaced it with our official test tire for the EBike Light shootout, so we had an equal test tire for all bikes.
like another reply I made I cannot speak for DJI but if it's of any use to someone on bosch gen 4 I tested 2-3 weeks ago I was pleasantly surprised I rented older emtb before and you hit a wall at 25kph on the gen4 bosch CX I felt nothing I only realized I was limited when I tried to pedal faster on a somewhat flat segment and had this weird feeling that my effort brought nothing more it's then that I watched the display and was "oh...right"
As an avid emtber, I would have liked to have seen a mullet option from the factory or at least listed on the build my bike on amflow, however I'll wait for the second iteration.
They are not serious about making bikes. This is just simply to display their drive unit. I got $1000 to anybody who wants to take my bet. We will start seeing these units on other manufactures bikes. They of course will still sell a bike, but that is not their primary goal. Put this drive unit on a pivot or Yeti and I’m in.
Numbers look great, two questions, when will American's be able to order one? And, assuming this will be limited to 20 mph in America, it's like putting a 65 mph speed limit on a Tesla plaid. I'm guessing this bike hits the limit real quick, how does it feels when it cuts off power at the limit?
You can set the fade out in the app. EU models start to reduce power at around 22km/h with default settings, you can also set a hard cut off if wanted or a long smooth fade
For the Chinese haters out there, don't buy this bike. Dji is a Chinese brand and made in China. For others, buy one quick before the government ban all Dji products or put tariffs on Chinese products.
@@mtbmike9866 Yes, but the AMFLOW has similar SL weight but with the bonus of a large capacity battery AND very powerful motor. All the benefits, none of the draw backs. 🙌
Hey estoy esperando esta bici con ganas.....me podias decir que impresiones respecto a par motor de un sistema bosch Samrt System, es decir el modo Emtb o trail, en Amflow tiene mucho torque? se puede modificar atraves de la app? bajar algun punto....y con ese peso y autonomia de 800 de bateria, has notado consumo excesivo? en un uso normal, entiendo que con 20kg y esa bateria deberia ser capaz de hacer muchos kms, mas que bosch con 750 y mi orbea wild y 26 kg. gracias por el contenido. y las respuestas.
Only problem I have is that a lot of jurisdictions in Colorado have limited the legality of bikes to 750 watts of output. Get caught with that and if they know what they are looking at I'm getting fined.
This motor comes in 600w and 800w variants. Just looking now on the sales page inside China. Also, the 800w version, as a full build bike, comes in standard/Pro models. Be interesting to see the exact differences regarding max power delivery for local jurisdictions
@@growlith6969 that's way, way too much. Given where these things are produced, and changing local jurisdiction rules, Banfamg/DJI need to revisit what they're producing. Customs for various local jurisdictions are just going to stop these things being imported, period!
My only dislike is the trunion....Otherwise I think this would be great for Cold Springs/Tunnel self shuttles, maybe 2x in one day? @TheLoamWolf knows these trails
I was initially enthusiastic about this engine, but with Bosch I ride in Tour+ mode most of the time anyway and don't feel the need for more power. I'm also afraid that such high power will simply eat up the cassette and drive. We'll see in the long run - I'm waiting for the test.
So don’t put this in the max output mode or reduced the max torque on the middle profile if you want and you’ll get more range and still have a lighter battery than Bosch and get all the great charging technology. I’m failing to see any downside to this platform and I’m betting just as all the manufacturers have jumped onto Bosch this year we will be seeing a bunch jump over to DJI in 2-4 years once DJI is selling the platform and it’s the next model cycle for manufacturers.
@@jessehill3780 Yep, or upgrade the components down the line. You know - the thing literally all MTB'ers do ... because the important part is the motor, battery & frame. Being worried about the motor with this particular bike is a weird thing to have cold feet on @michalmalanowicz759
@@jessehill3780 You are right that more competition means more choice and lower prices for consumers. I also count on more bikes with this system, especially Enduro bikes. Time will also show reliable the motos is.
I emailed Amflow and they said they don’t ship to the US and it won’t be available in any retail stores in the US. Does anyone know if anyone in the US will be able to buy one and when?
Stupid.. Look at our bike but we don’t ship to your country and won’t tell you why or if we ever will.. Buy a Crestline instead and support Aaron Gwin!
There are articles around that legislation aimed at DJI as a Chinese company is a problem - they will need FCC approval due to over the air tech. I doubt this will be settled until after November Then you need say 10,000 units available for stock to launch - US is such a huge market. The legislation passed on the House is potentially a big problem for DJI generally is what I read
NGL, imho it’s hard to get excited for frames that use a basic single pivot design. It’s the 21st century and so much innovative designs can be licensed, or - developed.
Are we going to get a motor versus motor test/review type video? I understand we're trying to review this one bike in nearly a vacuum here but... Awkwardly I think people are most interested in DJI vs new Bosch. As well as versus all other motors technically. And as an anti-bells n whistles guy this motor is almost pushing me away with the screen and app overreach (especially saying you need to update during the review lol). So def want to compare the physical motor vs motor. Not so much apps/settings comparison.
Yes more of that to come as we have time and ability to do so. Those tests are pretty time consuming and we’ve got a small crew, so bear with us. Haha. Thanks for your support.
Class 1 ebikes in North America is max 750watts. Probably why they are not selling in North America. Can't ride this at most of the trail systems around me
Shimano & bosch listened only their race team what they need on the bike , but not listen to comsumers what we need. users needs much better software integration like battery layout in percentage or 10 complete dash lines, DJI nailed every aspect.
Love the video love the channel. This is not a jab at the channel. But this has kind of been done before in terms of power. Nobody ever talks about it because it’s not a big sexy brand. But the Luna cycle X - one and X - two. Have been making high-powered EMTB for years now. My X one is 2000 W peak power. With 125 Newton meters. Not a single name brand E bike has been able to keep up with it. I wish that Luna cycle would get more loveagainst some of the name brands. Plus the price of power ratio from Luna cycle is incredible.
Yeah I think the main reason Bosch & co are at 600W is just to stay within the "250W nominal" regulations, whatever that means. They could make more powerful motors if they wanted
Thanks for commenting. We have reached out to Luna cycles several times, they only respond with “we don’t do media test bikes.” We’re glad to hear you love the bike though.
Cassettes and chains will need to be changed regularly with this power. I prefer the Pinion MGU. Little less power but German engineering over Chinese for me wins. All the geeky stuff is nice in the beginning but will fade away quickly.
I wonder how difficult it will be to get in the US. This is a Chinese made and designed bike that can track your movements so there may be a lot of issues there.
7 seconds faster on 26 seconds long ride with othe full power bike....That is just crazy faster. That means, that someone on the regular full power bike, on cca. 45 minutes uphill ride, would be cca.13-15 minutes slower....OMG. That my e-bike friends...is not aregular e-pedelec any more...that is a totally different category. And imagine this Amflow derestricted....A real motorbike?
Only Americans have a problem and they will get expensive when your government ban then or put tariffs on. The rest of the world will enjoy great products at affordable prices.😂
The flex is noticeable if your 210lbs feels like gonna snap in berms! Im waiting for it to happen with a heavier rider the Chinese frame is very thin carbon layered some Chinese brand kat something make it whoever they are if their ali xp traders not sure ?
One thing no one ever mentions with this motor if it is 250w continuous all you hear is 800w to 1000w which puts it in the illegal ebike category for Europe! This needs to be mentioned in videos about it still being legal 250w requirements even the buying huide doesn't state anywhere about it being 250w mid drive! Its just to keep these hatters off our backs about illegal ebike motors! I've not once heard in any review about it being legal 250w requirement outside of the US! You guys just seem to be able to use anything n get away we it lol we can't!
It's an Awsome package, I did a small test ride a few days ago at a local shop (Edit: in Germany) and the owner did the evening before ride our local trail park, he was positively impressed and so was I, can't wait to get my amflow 😉, if it's not your only bike as a hard hitter (lucky to have a Spindrift) then rocking the trails down and up is a sure thing on the Amflow. I am also keen on seeing how well it can do a long tour, nobody has really done an endurance test. With Bosch Gen 4 I could do about 95km and 1200+m of height, guess the Amflow will beat that which would be Awsome.
Thanx for the comment on thr stiffness/flex.
Being close to 98kg/216lbs stiffness is quite important to me and often missed/ignored in other reviews.
Glad to help!
I'm 210lbs it's noticeable to a point I hold back alot on it, it really does need what cube do and use an alloy rear triangle on this bike! I have a new cube aswell as this the cube is faster because just thrash it the amflow need be careful them stays don't snap and they will! Also should have really had 38s on it to help with front end flex this is what's next for mine but again don't want to make it not flex enough that it also fractures the headtube it's abit of a headache for heavier riders it's mainly tested with Chinese dudes light as feather so just something to keep in mind! Not worth the price tag though this i have to say something about!
@@Emtbtoday I ride an Orbea Wild that suits me really well andis stiff enough.
I look for reviews where lighter riders say it might be a bit too stiff for them. Those bikes are normally perfect for me.
That said the Amflow looks like a cool bike for the Missus to replace here 2021 Canyon Spectral with EP8 motor.
Makes it a bit easier for here to keep up/let my wait less ;)
Thank you for this thorough review! Huge fan of DJI and its products. I have been keeping my eyes on Amflow for a while now. So far, super impressed with the motor.
Glad it was helpful!
It would be great if they actually sent email updates with some sort if forecasted availability date on their bikes in each country.
@@TheLoamWolf Will they have a US distributor to purchase from? if so when will they be for sale?
@@erikwebb8854For the Chinese haters out there, don't buy this bike. Dji is a Chinese brand and made in China.
For others, buy one quick before the government ban all Dji products or put tariffs on Chinese products.
Thank you for actually talking about how the bike actually rides. 95% of vids on this bike is just froth on the motor/electronics forgetting that it's an actual bike that has to perform (MBR at least spoke about it briefly and also mentioned the frame flex). Despite the impressive motor etc, I feel like it makes the same mistakes as other SL eMTBs - their primarily objective is weight and subsequently gives up a lot in that department (e.g. an extra 200-300grams in the frame would have made this bike have a broader appeal.
Thanks for the feedback and glad we offered some insight. Stay tuned for a more thorough and long term review soon.
I've got one on order, deposit paid. Due in November. Can't wait to hit the muddy trails 😊
where are you located? been looking at website and cannot find any availability nor prices! Thanks
@@frenchdomUK, not sure where you are? . Also just had email from Amflow stating it can now be ordered on their website. Delivery eta end of this month.👍
The industry needs to have one standard mount for the motors.
No advancement sounds great
Why would they want that.. they want to lock you into their package. Bosch wants you to buy a bosch if you replace it, not a DJI.
Bike brands are the ones who need to put that standard, not motor manufactures.
Not even all cars have the same engine mount.
@@youling1997 this is not a car, is a toy. If we can replace a cassette or brakes we could replace our fav motor as well.
Awesome review! Thank you. One concern I have as the eBike industry moves forward is how much is too much power/torque? I see more and more trail user conflict as our eBikes get faster, especially uphill. Of course the "throttle" is always in the hands of the user. Personally when I'm riding one of my eBikes i am SUPER EXTRA courteous to other trail users, I hope others do the same!
FYI, it's not a review, it's an ad. DJI is known to require an approval before posting sponsored videos
As others here have said, put out a 180/170 Enduro 38 fork version AMFLO...and since DJI is so innovative, let's add a 9-spd compact MGU to it. Finally, at least license the DJI system to a US bike manufacturer like Intense or Pivot for different suspension designs to be sold in North America.👊
I gotta wait for the enduro version
I was sure that the initial impressions will be positive. Can't wait for the long term review.
Going by the looks and reviews, I don’t know whether to be impressed at DJI or pissed at the MTB industry.
Amflow must make an enduro version of this bike
With straight seat-tube
They are! Apparently in the new year something is coming....
@@alexbiketester where you saw that news mind if i ask?
@@LeungFrank I can't remember. Someone told me from the grape vine.
@@alexbiketesterThat would be awesome...so we wait
I NEED this bike.
Amflow will have put the bike through all the relevant safety tests. It's rated as cat 4. The size goes up to XXL with a 525mm reach, rider height of up to 6ft 7". I'm pretty sure that there won't be a rider out there under 95kg at this height 🤔 Do they really need an Enduro build when a 150/160mm trail will do most things. Plus this is meant to be a lightweight bike with full power. Just pick your lines more carefully or buy a different bike 🙄 There is simply nothing in this category that stacks up to this. Sure they will probably offer the drive system to other bike manufacturers. Bosch, Brose and Shimano among others will be rightly concerned.
I know these trails! Love this place!
Right on! They’re definitely fun.
Thanks for this review. Power is nothing in control and Bosch may have had the right approach with their 5th generation and not pushed their motor.
What I may expect from these long established brands is to learn from DJI on the improvement and number of sensors, the high density of the batteries with a lower weight and especially the speed of charging them
In EU the continous output is limited to 250W anyway. So as long as you are not smashing the boost-mode nonstop, it just averages out like any other full power e-bike.
Just like a car with 500hp, that uses about 40 of it in everyday driving scenarios.
if the system was not effective you would not have noticable time diffrences on hill climbs its smashed alots of times versus other well know brands on other test reviews
It's only in racing that it's interesting, when I do my Sunday outings, I don't care about gaining 1 or 2 minutes on a climb, what matters to me is to arrive there not too tired... the effort is an intrinsic part of this sport, otherwise you have to get on a motorbike!@waichungsham1578
I think around 90NM is max for the drive trains we currently have available
Manufactures need to beef up chains,cassettes, chain rings to handle the high torque that the industry is likely heading to
So the solution has to be MGU!
This
What would a 10spd drivetrain torque rating be? Feels like we need to change back to less gears when you can just add watts with the touch of a button.
@@fifthcircle1makes sense. Even 10 might feel like a lot imo.
SRAM would love you to get new cassettes every 3 month
shimano cues
I'm starting to look at ebices again after a 1 yr hiatus, I'd like this drive motor in a Mondraker Neat, that would be my perfect one 😍
What helmet brand and model are you wearing?
Thanks for sharing. Looks very promising. I’ve been holding out for my first E-mountain bike. This bike is definitely in the running.
Motor noise comparison to the competition? Is it quiet like a TQ or loud like a Shimano E8000?
How about motor rattle when descending?
if your making an ebike video and don't playback noise up and downhill without voiceover or music ... then whats the point of the video, its one thing that is not subjective and i can get most of the other details off the website
It is very very quiet!!
@@TheLoamWolf be vewy vewy quiet - it’s Wabbit hunting season ;D
One word.."SHIMANO" 👑
My concerns would be that it is power thirsty and the wear on transmission components. Seems like the power would need to be tuned down on the app so at that point might as well buy a 80-90NM bike?
cannot talk about a dji but I rented a bosch gen4 to know what I wanted or not on an emtb before buying one, 22miles 5813ft 36km 1772m D+ rolling time 3h55 according to strava had 25% of a 750wh battery left mostly on gravel dirt road the toughest part on grass off trail I basically went up ski slopes in autumn in the swiss alps I used eco 0-10% slope tour 10-20% slopes emtb 20% or more and never used turbo if it was too steep for emtb I pushed using walk assist my toughts at the end of the day were that I would not buy a bike you cannot tune the modes to your usage, eco helped slightly not enough (just did 3280ft 1000m on muscular it felt to me it didn't quite compensate the bike weight but it was a heavy alu bike 26kgs) tour helped way too much it tried to go too fast while I was pedaling at my usual cadence oversensitive acceleration pickup which drained the battery for no reason, emtb was fine but already started slipping 1-2x even with a 2.6" 27.5 tire (mullet bike) with massive knobs "more power" is absolutely not something I wanted as I had tire slip going up slopes I was hugging the bike not to flip backwards what annoyed me was the walk assist was trying to go too fast for me pushing up a 100% slope something Bosch tweaked in the 2025 motor fyi
Hoping for a Nicolai review
Can you please provide a link to the replacement bars you have used with the Amflow?
theloamwolf.com/2023/11/13/review-oneup-carbon-e-bar/
Flexy frame, trunnion mount shock and a yoke, this thing is going to destroy damper shafts.
What trail are you doing this test on? Is this in Bend, OR?
If this bikes comes in anywhere close to $5K this thing will sell like hot cakes.
Seriously the rocky mountain is not far away from this and gives me this power all the time and im also amazed by its power. Im very fit rider and i use the bike only on rest days in highest power level and i ride up the mountain faster than what you showed me here. So not sure whats the fuzz about here.😊
Rocky power is definitely awesome and we’re fans.
Would love to see the DJI @ 105nm Turbo mode (not Boost) vs the Bosch Race motor (in race mode).
Stay tuned!
Do you think frame and rear shock will just be available for purchase?
Any idea when this will be available in the US?
Was the flex in hard compressions noticiable compared to say a 140-150mm non motorised trail bike e.g. norco sight, trek fuel ex?
Or is it flexy compared to a bigger 160-170mm enduro bike?
Hard question to answer I know, I'm just thinking is the super light weight frame to blame? As a 220-230pound dude it's the only question mark I've got stopping me from pulling the trigger!
Also subscribed, apprecaited the free content and no sweat off my back to hit a button
Thanks so much for joining we appreciate it.
As far as flex goes, compared to a Norco Sight, specifically the new high pivot one, in carbon, it may be a little more flexy. AMFLOW is close but slightly less stiff.
I’ll wait for version 3 to come out- in 12 years I’ll be 60. Maybe a new motor, solid state battery, belt drive and transmission. For now still using my legs to get uphill. 🇨🇦
If you fall on a emtb at 60, you are more prone to bone braking and never coming back due to slower recovery pal, the future is now, so is the fun
I would like to see this drive unit in a gearbox - time has come to get rid of the derailleur…
Speed limit should be allowed to be removed, for all of us that ride private land.
That's more important than power by itself
Yep, I bet this hits in real fast...
Unlike bosch and shimano it has an encoder ring like an abs ring for motorcycles for speed detection, so im pretty sure you will get aftermarket rings with fewer trigger points to trick the bike into thinking that you are actually going slower than you are. Not that i would advise it, but it would be easily doable. The electric transmission doesn't communicate with the bike anyway, so it has no idea in what gear it is, so it couldn't check for plausible results
Any word on when this might be available in the US?
When is it coming to the US?
I wish you tested it in a manner that represents actual use when timing the climb. My climbs are usually 30 minutes and sometimes a couple of hours on bigger mountains so it's unrealistic to think that I'll be pressing and holding the boost button every 30 seconds and that also detracts from the experience. When I'm in the middle of a technical section of the climb, I can't divert my attention to holding the boost button when boost cuts out as I'll be modulating my brakes instead.
Unless you're focusing on marketing, any performance tests should be done in a manner that represents realistic riding.
practice multitasking and you will get it bud
When we publish a long term review of the bike we will have those types of stats. This is more of a first look, informational and product focused feature, not a review. We test bikes for several months before we release those but wanted to get this out as we’ve been getting tons of questions.
Best review for the Amflow so far well done 😁. I agree with one of the comments about how does it compare for miles/watt hour at the same Nm/power output. This metric would be super useful for you guys to start to quote. The Nm/power output would need to be made the same, as far as possible, between the different motors, and tests would need to be done on the same trails by same rider using the same tyres for all motors, as this would unify the tests as far as possible. From what I have seen this bike is a battery drainer, which TBF is to be expected with the higher motor output. Thats why I would like to see this tested with restricted motor output, to properly compare with Bosch and Brose, to see if it can be as efficient as those motors.
This was made pretty early on in our riding. We will have a long term coming out very soon with more thorough data.
Not a review. This is DJI commercial.
@@malanalan1 Not entirely correct. An advert would not include any negative comments about the bike. This channel is pretty honest in making their own opinions heard.
All well and good but the UK (and others) restrict speed on ebikes unfortunately. It's a huge shame, just 10mph more would make such a difference coming up to bigger jumps
I have one of these on order and am waiting for delivery...I have gone for the cheaper model but will be changing wheels, tyres, suspension, bar&stem! I am really interested to see what you think of how the bike rides on your 'full review' as I think that you guys always give your honest opinion rather than follow the hype!
Thank you! We make it a priority and always let the brands know our first goal is to be honest and help the viewers. That said, opinions and tastes are different for all riders, but we think you’ll enjoy then detailed review.
Just make sure not to increase the travel because Amflow doesn't allow it, warranty issues. That is why most of us riding enduro bikes, wait for a burlier version of the bike
Amflow do allow an increase to 170mm on the fork...not sure how you would increase rear travel with it being a 185x55 trunnion shock...I have just gone for a better quality rear shock in the same size ;-) Oh, and it will be a Mullet!
@@DaveWarrington I emailed them and they replied, no 170 fork compatibility...hope they come up with a longer travel version which is very possible
They actually say on the Amflow website that a 170mm fork is possible! Look in the FAQ's 🤔
Those trails look awesome. Where is that?
Thank you. It’s Bend Oregon.
Generally speaking ;)
Hopefully the motor lasts pong apparently they are having motor production problems and haulted just now and very limited to use for warranty replacements! Lots leaks coming out of china just now wouldn't say it was future proof yet so its made me put the brakes on just now atleast till January see hoe they ick up!
They need to make that with a removable battery, it will be spot on then
Can you match up this bike with your favorite pivot Lt?
When available in U.S.? Price? Sorry if I missed this in your video.
TBD. Amflow was originally saying Q4 of this year, but has been delayed until early 2025...hopefully. Pricing for this model will likely be around the $10k mark.
@@TheLoamWolf Thanks. Pricey. Think I could trade my Specialized Levo, Trek Fuel exe and Specialized Vado for one? 🤣 Ya, I didn't think so...
For the Chinese haters out there, don't buy this bike. Dji is a Chinese brand and made in China.
For others, buy one quick before the government ban all Dji products or put tariffs on Chinese products.
My dji drone has constant software updates/ issues..hopefully the the motor/batterys are better
Yo! Where’s the trail at 10:37? Thanks
Does the battery keep going flatter and flatter over time ? The drone batteries go dead flat when they sit
Excellent point.
My dji drone batteries all have serious parasitic drain.
Same for me: the drone batteries drain quickly if you do not use it. And I suppose DJI use the same technology for their bikes. This will be a good point for your review…
looks like post insertion depth might be an issue.....how long a post were you using?
looks actually great I'm guessing a 200mm or a 180mm it can start from the frame I wish mine could but I can only get a 180mm and have to make it start 60mm above frame (I wanted a smaller M so that was expected)
No mention of the drivetrain... This has Sram Eagle Transmission, correct?
GX axs electric. The non pro has a manual GX. Unfortunately the electric one isn't powered by the bikes battery, so you have to have an eye on the battery level on the transmission or have a spare one with you. Sram would offer cables to replace the battery on ebikes, although thats a 150 euro cable and you need to drop the motor out of the frame for installation
I know you can’t divulge what you don’t know but…I know for myself I follow this channel to get relevant information for the US consumer. Even some speculation or insight into when this may be available here would be appreciated.
We can’t officially say, but we do know there are working hard and had hopes for mid 2025. So, time will tell.
saw one in whistler a few weeks ago, cant be that far away
@@rocky6162tell that to Uncle Sam that has a beef with DJI. I wouldn’t expect it anytime soon.
Cost?
@@rocky6162 pretty sure that was Will Greenfield. Another content creator who received the bike for free.
I like my 2019 Levo BECAUSE it’s flexy. I wish specialized could integrate this drive unit in their bikes.
Absolutely great point. This is why we try our best to mention in our reviews that different people have different tastes! Just like food, your local trails, desire and preferences can mean one bike works for you and another just wont! Flex isn't always bad.
Is there Rail+ review comming plz?
Were you riding it with the stock/light casings? Specs say EXO front and EXO+ rear...
We did ride it with those tires briefly for early riding and filming. However we replaced it with our official test tire for the EBike Light shootout, so we had an equal test tire for all bikes.
@@TheLoamWolf , splitting hairs here on weight but was 46.5 lbs with stock tyres and no pedals for a size L?
Didn’t leave me wanting to pull the trigger at all, especially as an over 2 bills rider.
At almost $12,000.00 it better be good!
But how much pedalling drag when pedalling above assistance speed.
like another reply I made I cannot speak for DJI but if it's of any use to someone on bosch gen 4 I tested 2-3 weeks ago I was pleasantly surprised I rented older emtb before and you hit a wall at 25kph on the gen4 bosch CX I felt nothing I only realized I was limited when I tried to pedal faster on a somewhat flat segment and had this weird feeling that my effort brought nothing more it's then that I watched the display and was "oh...right"
Where to buy and guarantee for the long term review
How Come the Septics got a demo?
As an avid emtber, I would have liked to have seen a mullet option from the factory or at least listed on the build my bike on amflow, however I'll wait for the second iteration.
And as I am sure you know... @theloamwolf AMFLOW backwards is Your Mom.... well WolfMa
Ha ha ha
They are not serious about making bikes. This is just simply to display their drive unit. I got $1000 to anybody who wants to take my bet. We will start seeing these units on other manufactures bikes. They of course will still sell a bike, but that is not their primary goal. Put this drive unit on a pivot or Yeti and I’m in.
The CCP will love using your data just like they got caught doing with their drones…
Makes sense, man!
Ok Sherlock 😂😂😂
I take your 1000 usd
In the meantime i will grab one. Will be two+ years until we see this in another manufacturer. It’s basically a Levo SL with grunt for now.
Numbers look great, two questions, when will American's be able to order one? And, assuming this will be limited to 20 mph in America, it's like putting a 65 mph speed limit on a Tesla plaid. I'm guessing this bike hits the limit real quick, how does it feels when it cuts off power at the limit?
You can set the fade out in the app. EU models start to reduce power at around 22km/h with default settings, you can also set a hard cut off if wanted or a long smooth fade
For the Chinese haters out there, don't buy this bike. Dji is a Chinese brand and made in China.
For others, buy one quick before the government ban all Dji products or put tariffs on Chinese products.
I don’t care about the 105 to 120nm of torque, 50-60nm is more than enough, what I am impressed by is the 800wh battery and overall lightness
The most important question, when they think sales going to be starting at the USA?
Probably never
No plan in USA rightnow but you can still have it
@@BumbleDrone1 how, buying in germany?
@@porroco no，but i can do it
Did I miss it? How much?
Pricing in the US has not been finalized. But it will be comparable to other bikes with similar builds we’ve been told.
Was your bike limited at 25 kph or 20 mph? The difference is around 7 kph… it is huge!
According to local laws, everything else would be silly, so 25km/h for the EU and 20mph for north America.
This makes all other EMTB's and especially SL versions look a bit........... meh! I'd definitely consider trading my Giant Reign in for one.
I dunno, a 37-38lb SL feels quite special on the trail (identical to a regular mtb)
@@mtbmike9866 Yes, but the AMFLOW has similar SL weight but with the bonus of a large capacity battery AND very powerful motor. All the benefits, none of the draw backs. 🙌
@TCK71- "Looks" being the operative word here . if you can't buy one it remains in the illusory world of hype and ",looks" .
Hey estoy esperando esta bici con ganas.....me podias decir que impresiones respecto a par motor de un sistema bosch Samrt System, es decir el modo Emtb o trail, en Amflow tiene mucho torque? se puede modificar atraves de la app? bajar algun punto....y con ese peso y autonomia de 800 de bateria, has notado consumo excesivo? en un uso normal, entiendo que con 20kg y esa bateria deberia ser capaz de hacer muchos kms, mas que bosch con 750 y mi orbea wild y 26 kg. gracias por el contenido. y las respuestas.
How much time went into matching the gear color to the bike frame and color grading in post-edit? 😅 😁
All black everything. 😂
Only problem I have is that a lot of jurisdictions in Colorado have limited the legality of bikes to 750 watts of output. Get caught with that and if they know what they are looking at I'm getting fined.
This motor comes in 600w and 800w variants. Just looking now on the sales page inside China. Also, the 800w version, as a full build bike, comes in standard/Pro models. Be interesting to see the exact differences regarding max power delivery for local jurisdictions
@@user-rl4ji5ne4o peak output is 1000w on the 30 second turbo button thing. Fudging by 50 watts would possibly be forgiven but not 250w over.
@@growlith6969 that's way, way too much. Given where these things are produced, and changing local jurisdiction rules, Banfamg/DJI need to revisit what they're producing. Customs for various local jurisdictions are just going to stop these things being imported, period!
It is rated as a 250 watt class 1 ebike. Relax no one is going to jail.
Is there a speed restriction on this bike?
Of course
Is it trail bike, or Enduro? Or in the middle?
We’d say it’s an aggressive trail to all
Mountain bike. Definitely not enduro.
@@TheLoamWolf Why "definitely not enduro" ?
There it is the unicorn 🦄 bike that is so awesome BUT, no one can buy it anywhere...Total waste of time waiting to hear when, where to get one.
My only dislike is the trunion....Otherwise I think this would be great for Cold Springs/Tunnel self shuttles, maybe 2x in one day?
@TheLoamWolf knows these trails
When do we get in the USA?
Still an unknown. That changed from when we received the bike til when we published this… don’t could be mid 2025 til we get firm delivery.
i got one in usa
@@BumbleDrone1 you're my new hero, but how?
@@rutirobart6972 Well, you can contact me
@@rutirobart6972 well,I can tell you the details if you want to know. but not in here
Definitely got my attention how much in the dollars
probably like 5500
I was initially enthusiastic about this engine, but with Bosch I ride in Tour+ mode most of the time anyway and don't feel the need for more power. I'm also afraid that such high power will simply eat up the cassette and drive. We'll see in the long run - I'm waiting for the test.
Same. Cassette wears out on STD mode as it is.
So don’t put this in the max output mode or reduced the max torque on the middle profile if you want and you’ll get more range and still have a lighter battery than Bosch and get all the great charging technology. I’m failing to see any downside to this platform and I’m betting just as all the manufacturers have jumped onto Bosch this year we will be seeing a bunch jump over to DJI in 2-4 years once DJI is selling the platform and it’s the next model cycle for manufacturers.
@@jessehill3780 Yep, or upgrade the components down the line. You know - the thing literally all MTB'ers do ... because the important part is the motor, battery & frame. Being worried about the motor with this particular bike is a weird thing to have cold feet on @michalmalanowicz759
@@jessehill3780 You are right that more competition means more choice and lower prices for consumers. I also count on more bikes with this system, especially Enduro bikes. Time will also show reliable the motos is.
No more generic rock in the background
I emailed Amflow and they said they don’t ship to the US and it won’t be available in any retail stores in the US. Does anyone know if anyone in the US will be able to buy one and when?
Probably never. US govt is at odds with DJI at the moment.
Pointless. Look at our bike but we don’t ship to your country and there no word on why or when…
Stupid.. Look at our bike but we don’t ship to your country and won’t tell you why or if we ever will.. Buy a Crestline instead and support Aaron Gwin!
Government will not allow it. Not with 1K watts of output power.
There are articles around that legislation aimed at DJI as a Chinese company is a problem - they will need FCC approval due to over the air tech. I doubt this will be settled until after November
Then you need say 10,000 units available for stock to launch - US is such a huge market.
The legislation passed on the House is potentially a big problem for DJI generally is what I read
NGL, imho it’s hard to get excited for frames that use a basic single pivot design. It’s the 21st century and so much innovative designs can be licensed, or - developed.
Are we going to get a motor versus motor test/review type video? I understand we're trying to review this one bike in nearly a vacuum here but... Awkwardly I think people are most interested in DJI vs new Bosch. As well as versus all other motors technically. And as an anti-bells n whistles guy this motor is almost pushing me away with the screen and app overreach (especially saying you need to update during the review lol). So def want to compare the physical motor vs motor. Not so much apps/settings comparison.
Yes more of that to come as we have time and ability to do so. Those tests are pretty time consuming and we’ve got a small crew, so bear with us. Haha. Thanks for your support.
Class 1 ebikes in North America is max 750watts. Probably why they are not selling in North America. Can't ride this at most of the trail systems around me
I think its sold as a 250W ebike in the EU. Dont ask me how that workks
Also US govt is at odds with DJI. I wouldn’t expect the bike coming to the US anytime soon.
Shimano & bosch listened only their race team what they need on the bike , but not listen to comsumers what we need. users needs much better software integration like battery layout in percentage or 10 complete dash lines, DJI nailed every aspect.
For God's sake i wish they'd answer my emails to ket me know when they are releasing in Canada or anywhere in North America
Love the video love the channel. This is not a jab at the channel. But this has kind of been done before in terms of power. Nobody ever talks about it because it’s not a big sexy brand. But the Luna cycle X - one and X - two. Have been making high-powered EMTB for years now. My X one is 2000 W peak power. With 125 Newton meters. Not a single name brand E bike has been able to keep up with it. I wish that Luna cycle would get more loveagainst some of the name brands. Plus the price of power ratio from Luna cycle is incredible.
Yeah I think the main reason Bosch & co are at 600W is just to stay within the "250W nominal" regulations, whatever that means. They could make more powerful motors if they wanted
Thanks for commenting. We have reached out to Luna cycles several times, they only respond with “we don’t do media test bikes.”
We’re glad to hear you love the bike though.
@@TheLoamWolf Thank you for responding. I did not know Luna would not send bikes to test. Thank you and the whole team for all the videos.
@@Morphose777 Thank you for being a fan and watching!
Cassettes and chains will need to be changed regularly with this power. I prefer the Pinion MGU. Little less power but German engineering over Chinese for me wins. All the geeky stuff is nice in the beginning but will fade away quickly.
the pinion is noisy but awesome
I wonder how difficult it will be to get in the US. This is a Chinese made and designed bike that can track your movements so there may be a lot of issues there.
American paranoia.
Are Chinese government stupid enough to want to track someone ride a bike.
Don't buy anything from China including the iPhone.
7 seconds faster on 26 seconds long ride with othe full power bike....That is just crazy faster. That means, that someone on the regular full power bike, on cca. 45 minutes uphill ride, would be cca.13-15 minutes slower....OMG. That my e-bike friends...is not aregular e-pedelec any more...that is a totally different category. And imagine this Amflow derestricted....A real motorbike?
Looks so odd with the trunnion shock
Chargers need a storage mode.
License to other bike mfgs.
AMflow needs a rowdy enduro rig.
It's like you can see into the future or something... 🤐
DJI and insta360 etc are all Chinese btw, just for your information.
Only Americans have a problem and they will get expensive when your government ban then or put tariffs on.
The rest of the world will enjoy great products at affordable prices.😂
The flex is noticeable if your 210lbs feels like gonna snap in berms! Im waiting for it to happen with a heavier rider the Chinese frame is very thin carbon layered some Chinese brand kat something make it whoever they are if their ali xp traders not sure ?
How is this not a turbo levo
I’ll stick with Bosch. Proven . No long term reliability proven yet with with the DJI.
This bike will never make it to the USA unfortunately.
Put this brilliant motor on the Santa Cruz enduro rigs! Then am in!!...
One thing no one ever mentions with this motor if it is 250w continuous all you hear is 800w to 1000w which puts it in the illegal ebike category for Europe! This needs to be mentioned in videos about it still being legal 250w requirements even the buying huide doesn't state anywhere about it being 250w mid drive! Its just to keep these hatters off our backs about illegal ebike motors! I've not once heard in any review about it being legal 250w requirement outside of the US! You guys just seem to be able to use anything n get away we it lol we can't!
10 minutes in you tell us its not available in the USA? Thanks for the 10min let down.