KILLED FOR KEBAB MEAT - THE CHARLENE DOWNES CASE
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2025
- Today's video is on 14 year old Charlene Downes from Blackpool.
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This poor little girl. Her family failed her, social services failed her, and the police failed her. No matter who she was or her family is, she was still a 14 year old girl who deserved to be properly searched for and found.
There is a reason why the police and everyone else failed her but it wasnt mentioned in this video.
max effort Yeah, they should have put your name into finding her, but unfortunately it looks like the effort was minimal.
Phantom Spirit: What?
@@phantomspirit7322 and then your dumbass doesn't mention either -_-
@Shaun Sharted The police are afraid of been called racist because the perpetrators are mostly pakistani muslims or muslims from other countries. The government is also silent on the issue.
Even if it was a runaway case, the story should be run. A child was missing. It does not matter why. That made me very pissed off.
Ginger Hernandez Unfortunately, the media isn't interested in runaway cases because thats not what sells. Murder, sex scandals and major crimes are whats considered 'newsworthy.' Further, even though she's a child, the police are not going to use valuable and limited resources looking for someone they think doesn't even want to be found. If it came down to her and a missing 4 year old, they're going to look for the 4 year old. The older you get, the less of a priority you are. Its a shame, but its reality.
omg same I was so made about this I would sue
Yes! Even if a child is a runaway that means they should try even harder to find them and let it go out in everyway to spread that this child is at risk and may be alive but in danger. Too many monsters out there take advantage of such kids and have horrible intentions for "helping" them runaway. Laws need to change where a runaway is seen as being at very high risk and in a dangerous situation and needs to be brought home or just taken into somewhere safe if the family is found to be not a safe place for the child. I wonder how many kids have been lost and forgotten because of such things and their killers have gotten away with it.
Also, many cases with ‘runaways’ or ‘missing children’ don’t get shown if the family’s on the poorer side, it’s sad but true.
Devi but it was the police who told the news not to run the story, and maybe it's different in the UK, but in the US, a minor is a missing person whether they ran away, got themselves lost, or were abducted. My point is if a person is not of age and they are not where they are supposed to be, they are probably in danger and need to be found.
The way the police handled this was totally unprofessional
Sophie Last probably because some of the police knew the men and were probably grooming children too
J H
The chances of that being true are very slim, that man, and the police all grooming the same child 🤔 🧐🤨 not only that but if higher authority had EVEN A SUSPICION of even ONE police officer doing so there would be an investigation NOT ONLY on him but on the entire police station AS A WHOLE. ✌🏼
True but its was 1999... can’t expect much :/
Kayla Ellis she was not the only child involved in the pedo ring that El stated was around the area
Kayla Ellis I never stated they were grooming the same girl they could’ve been grooming other girls that were also involved
Kinda pissed me off her mother sat there all high and mighty knowing she likely placed her child through sexual assault. Disgusting mother, disgusting men. Just an all around disturbing case.
The mother absolutely pissed me off so much! The way she explained to the reporter about being told her daughter had been cut up into kebab meat was like she was having daily goss with her neighbour! You'd be in tears even saying those words out loud.
@@leyxx8921 That man was Nick Griffin the head of the BNP too.. The racist party she was part of. It was used in some propaganda at the time to my understanding.
@@norupologies5926 head of the BNP(British National Party) and former chair of the youth wing of the BNSP (british national socialist (nazi) party)
@@AnCoilean Yea, BNP. My error, sorry.
yup
Don’t you think that even if it wasn’t them that killed her, they should have still been convicted for the grooming ring??
Thatll be a completely separate investigation which could take years, when dealing with teenage grooming victims the main evidence is victim statements but they are often convinced they have a 'real' relationship, and also don't want to face that they have been harmed so deny anything happened cause its a lot to process. It's incredibly hard to prove that kind of case unless you find photos or video.
It's not true I live in Blackpool
@@autist1689 what are you banging on about.
@@kellyedey5952 that because of the manipulation and abuse of grooming victims it can be hard to get them to give evidence against their abusers. So investigations often take longer before they can convict
The police sometimes work with people that are responsible for these grooming rings.
Why were they not arrested?? They admitted to murdering someone, even if it wasn’t Charlene
Zoey & Melissa SSO I think it has something to do with the tapes being not credible due to the mistake in translation of the audio
The person who translated the recordings was a detective on the case, the bugs were near to TV's and forensics audiologists said much of the translation is incorrect.
@Jib Jabs yeah exactly. they should of known the tapes wouldn't of been enough. and definitely should of checked homes and the food place where she was dismembered and stuff.
They botched the translation just to pin it on them.. racist pricks
@@tesco3872 got any evidence for that? Nah...
Oh my God. I thought by the title, the girl had stolen some kebab meat and the shop owner murdered her, but now I feel sick.
Child sex rings make me want to vomit too, and when they happen there isn't arrests made.
Dear God...
i thought that too
I kinda wish it was just stole some kebab meat I'd hate to be the people who ate the her corpse
I wish that was the case
JLS Jay there’s no solid evidence that this really happened.
Well what do you expect? You can't go around arresting the ruling class. Who would rule us?
the idea of a 14 year old girl being out at 10pm in an urban area is so alien to me. when i was 14 i wasn’t even allowed to go to the mall during the day bc my mum thought it was unsafe.
When I was 14, I wasn't even allowed to leave the house at all. The only time I ever left was to go to school or appointments.
@@darkfang932 me too!! i probably hung out with my friends only five times in a year. really saddened me at the time.
When I was younger it was pretty normal. It was at the end of the nineties and early 2000s that it stopped happening. I used to walk 6 miles along country roads to get from town to town to hang out with friends. When I was 17 I used to hitchhike to work and college. Nowadays I don't even like my son walking to school. Even with friends. When he asked if he could I wanted to follow in the car from a distance 🤣
@@KTKaute that sounds cool tbh, it’s crazy how much crimes like this one have changed society
Fact. Some parents just have to learn the hard way.
i would not leave my friend alone on a pier at 9.30 pm
Especially at the age of 14
@@WilliamMckenna tbh it's fairly normal to leave your friend alone and 9:30 especially when its summer cause its still light outside
Me neither. But, what if she was really waiting for that takeaway guy who groomed her. Then she probably told her friends to leave and she would be ok
@@antonelabakavic4045 I don't think the takeaway guy killed her. I think it was another man.
@@MultiEve35 You are probably right. I am really not sure anymore
It annoys me that Madeline McCann case it getting millons worth of more research when there are so many other resent cases which need research.
Ik all I want is for the McCann parents to start a charity for missing children think about how much better that would be
Money talks if people have money they have more publicity if they go missing. 2 little boys went missing in yorkshire around 1996 they was put on milk cartons but the police had not much to go on. Two young boys aged 11 and 13 years old was they kidnapped and raped by pervert pedophilie just bring these young boys home again so their families can have them or bury them i think they was murdered long long time ago. They need to come home to their families so the families can see them and give them a decent send of they deserve. Pedophilies was about then like they have always been ever since people come on this earth perverts and pedophilies are about. Lots of little girls and boys gone missing home and abroad some of them have never been mentioned its not fair on them or their families. We need to donate or put more money into the system so these kids what ever happened to them can one day come home and rest i dont think they will be found alive by now i think they been murdered or had some kind of accident and bodies buried somewhere. I hope one day all these little kids and young people will be brought home to rest and have a good decent burial with friends and family. Its what they all deserve no child should not be have a place of rest there are kids out there who have gone missing presumed dead for 30 plus years its a lot more then people think to.
Especially as the 1st. thing the McCann donations paid for was the McCann's mortgage
The McCann parents are the scummiest fucking people. Their daughter's gone missing, and they pay their mortgage out of her charity fund and just milk the case for THEIR exposure.
@@mellow1821 The McCann's were involved in her death. Watch any footage of the McCann's, there is something very off about them.
A woman said she saw the girls body dead on a train track and it wasnt her so who was it?
Ciara Boland probably no one. People make up fake stories for attention and to waste time.
macaroni yeah but the stories were true, just none of them were Charlene 😐 so it was someone
Courtney Michelle no they weren’t. People were trying to get attention. It probably wasn’t anyone.
@@isayfullhomo141 how do you know though without the excuse of getting attention
maddie because they investigated and it led to no where. If there was a body she would’ve said ‘there was a body but it wasn’t her’
Why is none talking about how they think she was CHOPPED UP and used as KEBAB MEAT!!!
that's probably why they couldn't find the body...it had been eaten
@@heyjude6680 omgggggg
@@heyjude6680 where are her bones or teeth?
Don’t like kebabs anyway, but never eating one again😢
Imagine hearing about that and having been to that takeaway shop, I can’t even.
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So social workers found out about these men with records of sexual assault visiting her home.... and they still thought it was a suitable place for her to live? I hate that. Also her family seems to be too deeply wrapped up in their radical political ideologies. I feel truly sad for her and I think her rebellious nature and acting out was a result of everything she was going through.
I hadn't thought of that until you brought it up but yeah that may very well be the case. Either way, somebody or maybe more than just one person or agency, definitely dropped the ball on this one and that's sad and infuriating!
I was wondering why they would leave her in the home if her parents were found to be endangering her , by allowing sexual predators and other sick people into their home with their kids!! Sloppy and incompetent Child Services and police work !! It breaks my heart that no one helped this girl when she was 11 years old!! Maybe she would still be alive if someone had stepped in!! So very sad!!
Social services are useless and incompetent.
When i was idk under a year till 3 years old i was put to live with cousins and her husband was suspected pedophile like my dad had the gut feeling this guy was so. And i was in a way in fostercare but my grandmother was getting money from it and she also stuck my brothers with some rando family members that cant care for shit. They wanted to keep me and my dad wanted custody back. Like i have some memory but they had to get eyed on since i wasn't their biological kid and there was a custody battle and my dad had red flags from the guy even more so since i was obviously being coached for the cousin's favor in winning by making me lothe my dad and i was messed up. Now i have some memory but its a flash and sped up and it triggers alters and knowing the kinds i have i know the memories arent fake. Now they had people keeping an eye on them cause custody case so they had many times to be alterted or suspect something. But i was there for 2 to 3 years and with the mental issues i have now i know bad shit happened and im 16 years old now and i want the guy to suffer but i cant remember his name i know the last names and the cousin's name but i cant remember h i s name. I looked back to try and use my cousin to find him but when i felt like i was getting so close to gettibg a lead to him to even know if he was alive or croaked cause he physcially was far from healthy so i wouldn't be surprised. I was close but i was getting overwhelmingly bad feelings like it would all be that much more real and id find something worse. Now again they had surveillance my dad had bad feelings on them they coached me visibly like i was exhausted. He even aggravated my dad to lash out like the guy was cheating on my cousin its sketch when they are so adamant on keeping a kid that was lated to a woman they dont care about ever. There was so much on him and yet the judge wante dme to stay with the family because my dad was my dad he was a guy yet he's my biological father so he makes sense the other didn't. Honestly if my dad didnt win custody i have no clue what might have happened to me but all i can guess is it would have been bad.
Fostercare and social case whatever are pretty shit and when they start supporting and trying to get the bad guy to win they should be as liable as the kilker when the kid ends up dead cause if there is so much evidence the guy is bad but they still try to have him win then they are just an accomplice in my eyes
Jf
Can't believe it's been 2 mins and it's been DEMONITIZED! UA-cam GIVE QUEEN EL HER MONEY FOR MAKEUP
I love the sim on your pic
@@hipsterpotato2706 thanks! I made it myself!
Citrus it’s monitized for me.
How can you tell?
I think it is monetized?
If I get murdered or something, I want Eleanor to cover it
Same
I TOLD my mom "if i get killed/kidnapped i want my case to be on frensic files" DKEWIJS she said well lets hope u dont get kidnapped
Lmao same
@@katzhryn lamooooooo
same lmao
I believe that both parents and police failed miserably Charlene! What a sad sad story.
What did the parents do?
@@ronnie1155 14 year old out till 10 PM??
you understand nothing buddy,the social services,council workers,care workers,police,labour party gov and even the home office actively covered up this scandal,to the extent of arresting fathers and threatening familys please research before commenting on such a topic
@@RottenGamingv20 i am actually not from Britain and I used to love Britain but its really sad to see where Britain is headed.
@@ronnie1155 Well apparently they sexually abused her
That man who called the police on his brother, was Amazing and definitely someone you can trust!
Yeah but his brother cant trust him😂
@@GachaLife-go1nd good
Well you can’t trust him with criminal information
english people are disgusting for letting some third world monsters into their country
Yeah that's why he tried to scare jury members 🤨 as the trial was happening. Great guy.
I think it’s too much of a coincidence for those men to be talking about killing a girl and her disappearance. Not to mention the child ring they are linked too...so gross...I hope her family finds peace one day.
ikr even if they didn't kill her they did other disgusting crimes
So sad
@jason lewis whats the second name of the paige girl
Her family isnt really much better lmao, bringing rapists to their home, great job. They are all disgusting
the way my respect for the family just evaporated as soon as you said they were EDL members
What is EDL?
@@victorguevara9227
An Islamophobic organization
Plus, she hates Muslims but then worked for them?? Erm ok. . . . right. . .
Same
For me it was when it turned out that they themselves were also sexually abusing Charlene.
the girl had the same bday as me...march 25...when my bday comes, I'll ask God to wish her a happy bday!
Amateur Gacha happy birthday!! :)
Mine is just a day after yours ❤️
Thanks!!
aw you are sweet. This inspired me to do the same to Shafilea Ahmed who was born on July 14 like me
@@zunairafaiz372 ❤❤❤Thanks 😁
My stomach turned when you said they cooked this little girl...what the actual hell is wrong with people. WOW.
Even if this was a "joke" that the recordings caught, who the eff jokes about something like that!? These men are guilty and evil.
Gypsum I joke about that kinda stuff but I could never do it. I don’t even eat animals ahaha
its horrible and because I am lying in my bed watching this I am covering myself with duvet and I dont know why.. R.I.P Charlene Downes xx
Not as guilty as her parents.
@@Penguinstudios123 you joke about killing and eating people?
Its me .... yes? If it’s funny yeah? Obviously not about any particular person or case that’s real, that’s sick. But generally yeah
Anyone else satisfied that it’s 22:22 minutes long?
Yesssssssssssss!
Oriwa Bidois ik but it’s satisfying when you pronounce it in your head “minuettes”
Meeeeeeee
hi hey yes
hi hey yaassss
i am convinced the mom is involved or at least knows more than she let on. she let sexual abuse go on at home, plus handed out leaflets for takeouts when the local takeouts were involved in a grooming ring? in addition, the way she talks about charlene doesn't sound quite right, and she's been proven to be okay with violence by stabbing her husband (which obviously doesn't mean she herself killed charlene, but does mean she might not have been opposed to someone else killing charlene).
nobody knew about this for a while, it wasn't until 2011 that the whole thing was uncovered. The police did nothing out of the fear of being called "racist"
@@MM-nl8ci exact reason the police are useless,yall aren't gonna do ur jobs in fear of being called racists by mfs online? 🤨
@@kaywhyess. The police wasn’t doing their job anyway! Even before the suspects were arrested, they completely failed at their jobs by not investigating properly
I know Charlene must've been getting groomed (something her mother allowed) based on the PlayBoy bunny logo on her t-shirt. When I was young, I had that logo saved on my computer (not knowing what it was) and got into huge trouble by my father. Yet her mother lets her walk around in that attire and the only other young person I know who wore clothes with the PlayBoy bunny logo ended up as a teen mom.
@@Xforeverlove21 I don’t know what country you live in but I wore playboy bunny as a teenager, and I’m same age as Charlene was. My daughter is 13 and her and her friends all wear playboy/ bunny stuff, it’s just a trend. I was all upset about it at first, but then realized they wear it because it’s a trend just like people who wear misfits but don’t even listen to the misfits…. They also all wear band shirts of bands they don’t even listen to, like nirvana, blink 182, etc.
This whole case is a train wreck that gets progressively worse as it continues, the police are incompetent, her parents are disgusting, and the two men aren't innocent. And at the end of the day, Charlene and any other possible victims didn't get justice.
How do you not think to have new outlets report a missing girl, runaway or not, a missing child is a missing child. Or investigate the family properly. Or even just communicate with the family.
How can you as a parent sexually abuse and groom your child, let convicted sex offenders into your home, and then not think that hey, maybe one of them had something to do with your daughter disappearing.
How do social services not removed a child deemed "vulnerable of sexual exploitation" at the age of 11 or after you find out sexual offenders visit the house regularly.
And how are these men still walking the streets. they can't prove it was Charlene. Okay, clearly they did still cut up and sell someone. Just because it wasn't Charlene doesn't mean they didn't do it. And it's clear they that have a bit of a reputation for this behavior. (At least one of them)
This entire case just leaves you feeling frustrated. It's literally like not a single person knew how to do their job correctly out side of the potential killer. I almost hope that Charlene did run away to live out a better life.
Yeah same here so do i but in reality i know she may have been kidnapped and killed either by someone she knew or probably by her parents her parents let in a known sex offender inside their property that is asking for trouble. I dont even know if he killed her because she knew to much and wanted to tell but couldnt because it was to late. I do think her parents knew what happened but arent letting on what they knew some parents do kill their own children children are usually killed by people they known or loved. When i think of blackpool i think of this after watching the documentary i do think to myself what strange parents you wouldnt let a pedophilie and sex offender any where near children never mind living with you inside your home no normal parents would do that. They put their children in great danger and the social services and police should have been involved here those kids should have been taken away immediately put into care home or foster home. I dont understand why the parents wasnt questioned more by the police
Thats what i thought too...maybe she wasnt murdered after all but ran away and started a new life with a new identity to get away of her sick parents and their friends...who knows🤷♀️ i so hope that this is the case and she found people in her new life who really care for her. She really deserves that after all that she had been through.😪
Maybe the saying that they butchered a girl and sell her flesh was just a bad joke of them. I know some people with this kind of humor. It is not solid evidence in my opinion.
dont forget charlenes brother was sent ot prison for racism, and her sister for attacking asian looking people.
@@jalifritz8033 they found her DNA in the grouting on the tiled wall. not on the grouting IN the grouting
Netflix can wait, I'm here for this
Dem Rage Tables same I was watching suits
Kill 😩 I haven’t been on Netflix in like 2 months since I started watching her
@@xoticcsl Dedication
Bryony I was watching river dale but I had to watch this when it came out, here I am again
@@eleanoruden Yeah same here
Okay but like, her mum gave me weird vibes-
It’s because she was called Karen 😂 jokes
Ok detective
because her name was Karen
marley the cat because women named Karen have a reputation to be rude and snobby
@@T0pMan15 it says she stabbed her husband so it obvious
Her life was an absolute tragedy. From her time at home to her death and even afterwards. That is absolutely upsetting. She deserved more than all of that. May she rest in peace
Yes so glad your covering this! No offense but every family deserves answers not all the money should just be given to Madeline McCann
Emily if you look at the missing kids uk website. 99% of those missing children are either foreign trafficked children or children missing with one of their parents who have lost custody. Very rarely do we actually have a long term missing child that cannot be explained. Most children return within days.
The McCanns had a lot of ties with people high up like Gordon brown, who were able to pull strings and get their daughters disappearance into the limelight.
It’s very hard to get support for your children for the simplest of things like speech therapy or suitable schooling and sadly however unfair it seems, those who shout the loudest get heard.
Her parents are so busy blaming an entire religion of people, when in reality, THEY failed her FIRST. They endangered her first. They neglected her safety and well-being first. That sort of childhood trauma can lead to many other tragic events. If she wasn't being exploited in her home as early as age 11, I don't think she would have fell victim to the grooming ring. I think she would have sensed danger or told someone about it. But, she had been exposed to that type of violation early on and probably normalized it in her mind (which is so heartbreaking). She didn't deserve this and she didn't deserve to be failed and violated by so many people.
she was a child. children are easily manipulated and any child could've fallen victim to grooming ring regardless of their background and family situation. and the whole "she would've told someone" is invalid, since even adults often times don't come forward for fear of not being believed etc. her parents are trash for allowing sex offenders to hang around their daughter but they weren't the ones who killed her.
@@70spoem So, you don't think her parents' poor judgment couldn't possibly have affected the course of her life? You're very naive. Of course, any child can fall victim to a predator. I did when I was 5 and didn't tell anyone, despite being raised in a loving home. But, there is also a major possibility that had she been raised in an environment that didn't endanger her well-being, she may have been able to understand, at 14, that what was happening wasn't right. Some kids tell, some kids don't. But, in her case, you can't say definitively that she even fully understood that she was a victim, because of her past experiences.
@@70spoem she was sexually abused because her parents repeatedly brought convicted sexual offenders into the house! They sold their child's body time and time again. This isn't just a poor home life leading to her not reporting abuse - this is her parents being the ones responsible for the abuse. They knew exactly what was going on and encouraged it in their own home for profit.
Agree with you a hundred percent Mystical Kumquat, great post.
Kerri my thoughts exactly, everything I read when researching this case points to sexual abuse in that house from a young age. Many witnesses to it that relayed specific incidents. I only spent an hour researching this case online but what I read we are a hundred percent in agreement.
Missing children cases always upset me. As someone who was nearly abducted as a child from my own garden, it makes me sick to learn what happened to these kids and know that it could have happened to me. Even now, 10 years later, I can’t go into my own garden alone.
One case that has always got to me, is a case of a young girl who went missing close to where I live back in the 70s. Her name was Christine Markham and the last people to definitely see her alive were her brothers. They said he saw her walking away from the bus, towards home, but despite last being seen at around 7:30 in the morning, she wasn’t reported missing for 14 hours. There were plenty of ‘sightings’ of her all over Scunthorpe, but nothing concrete. 30/40 years later and the case is still cold.
Maddiex I’m from scunny and my dad told me about that ? Weird how I’ve never seen any posters or news coverage about that case x
I was followed once as a child to and from the corner shop you cant let these people take over and win. Im sorry this happened to you bless you hope you managed to go back in your garden. I know its scary but dont let these people win its what they want
I dont live that far from Scunthorpe about a 40 min drive from where i live
This girl was failed by everyone
that interview with the mother is very weird, she has no emotions towards her daughter and smiling throughout the interview also she shows more emotions towards hating those muslims than her daughter which is disgusting.
Not to mention the fact that she stabbed her husband..I’ve never heard of someone stabbing someone else bc they’re having a hard time
@@Starreightysix yhh
@@Starreightysix right? Ive had some seriously BAD days, but ive never even got close to stabbing anyone. And i lost a child myself. Not this way, but it was still devastating to me and his twin brother.
@@Starreightysix in her book she said she stabbed him because she was keeping him awake with her crying he told her to shut up he hoped charlene was never found. They discusting and involved I read book before I researched I saw Pinterest files Karen and Bob are evil
@@Gus-t9n she wrote a book? was it about the murder? if it was just add it to the list of fucked up stuff that woman has done. thats disgusting
10pm latest!?! I’ve been in Blackpool town centre in the evening and.. let’s just say it’s not the greatest place to be..
Blackpool is ab amazing place. Just with disgraceful people.
Pebbles TheSardine I’m not from England, but I would never let my 14 year old child have curfews that late, total irresponsible.
@@nightcorebeatzx8652 my curfew at 14 was 10:30 but I mean my neighborhood was a good one and full of other kids. So, we'd all be out still hanging out at 10pm. I think the curfew depends on the kid and the area. Later than 10 is getting a bit too late in my opinion though.
@@shiy9036 most of which are from out of town. Many of us are respectable and decent, hard working family people with a deep regret for what the town has become. The council are terrible and damn near encourage these binge drinkers and don't do enough to safeguard our children. Please don't think we're all like these scum. Being a seasoned resort we rely on guests but they treat it like a cess pit. Disgraceful.
Blackpool is scummy
Everyone failed this girl. This made me incredibly sad.
that’s the most 55 year old looking 29 year old i’ve ever seen
nice pfp
lmao
Lol
The way the mother goes on about the bloody coffee like that was the most important bit really annoys me! she might of told us how she likes it and what temperature it was.
is it just me? or did that bug everyone else??
moonlight mel there is no physical evidence that it is true, no blood, hair, bones etc. Maybe these men just have an awful humour.
@@jalifritz8033 Still wouldn't of been going on about how hot my coffee was..
I don't know, I just thought it was her way of emphasizing the shock she was in, that she didn't even care that scalding hot coffee was in her lap.
@@vicmorgana5516 Sue you are so right.
She was explaining how much shock she was in on hearing it that she didn't even feel burning hot coffee on her, in a way that was easy that even an idiot could understand
I've seen articles and interviews with Charlene's mother over the past few days especially and she is totally right about what she said about the comparison of the Madeline McCann case and her daughter's. I can't help but wonder if she had been from a higher social class, whether this case would be solved by now. It must be so hard for her family to see all the money that has been poured into the McCanns search and so little into theirs, the publicity their case received when Charlene's case received so little. I really hope they get the answers they deserve X
That same day the Mccans got another £150,000 from home office so that's over £11 million spent on this case
The police there don’t want to solve this case. I can see politics being injected into this and distracting everyone including the police. A wire tap, a brother turning his own family member in and these men still committing crimes of a sexual nature and nothing gets done. I wonder why🤔
@@Laughing-Eyes because the police are involved in the ring
POC of color get even less coverage then Charlene. GOD forbid a BIPOC from a lower economic status goes missing (happens on the daily and nobody bats an eye lid)
I swear I’ve watched almost all of your videos. I love your accent so much and the way you explain the cases and talk about theories!! Keep it up your videos are so good
Yesssssssss no one else explains and makes 💯 sense like she does.
Yes I agree ! Love her accent , she is so amazing telling the stories . Like no other you tuber compares for real .
I’m not saying her mam sold her, but I’m also not saying her mam didn’t sell her
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Her mam was more concerned about dropping her coffee in her lap than the news her daughter had been murdered! But then she also decided to leave it overnight before calling the friends homes and police 🙄
ikr j was like how could she just go to bed not knowing where your daughter is?!!
@@soap4780 Exactly! My mam would not have stood for it 🤣
She dropped her coffee because the cops told her her daughter was murdered!
@@minakoaino7043 Yes and she went on about that more than anything else!
Has anyone else watched the full interview with Charlene’s Mum? I’ve never heard a story with so much embellishment. If only she’d put as much effort into her parenting.
Venice Queen the way she went on about dropping the coffee was very strange... you’d be more focused on taking about what you were just told... no that you dropped your coffee 🤷🏻♀️
I live near Charlie's mum and she still has flyers outside of her house in the windows still trying to get full justice for her
@@chiaseed425 still trying to cover her fat ass more like. They were pimping the daughters out, Type Charlene Downes pinterest and read the files. QWhy has karen got a man who paid Charlene £40 for a sex act on her friends page?
@@Susan-x real, found that part so weird. she just seems off
@Rab McDonald thats wrong too. In Charlene's case enquiries need to be nearer home
Poor Charlene she wasn’t safe anywhere 💔
I know! No wonder she was acting up in school and being rebellious! I would have been counting down the days until I was able to get away from there and be safe and taken care of 💔
It sounds to me like her parents were a part of that grooming ring...
The family had the children in care while living in the midlands. They were warned many times about convicted sex offenders visiting the home and in some cases stying overnight. Pinterest files have some very disturbing allegations made against the parents and grandmother. They did a runner to blackpool in 1999 at the same time as Robert Ewing (killer of Paige Chivers), a man from Hereford who payed Charlene money for a sex act on the day of her disappearance and Nigel Lloyd who was a sexoffender questioned about her disappearance.
@@kimburns5399 if a bigger police investigation had been happening on the paedophile ring then the Police would be a bit quiet with what they disclosed to everyone and if the parents were included in that investigation then it makes sense why they weren’t giving them much information. They wouldn’t want to jeopardise the bigger picture. It’s so sad though that the search for Charlene seems to have been compromised because of it.
Maybe two separate rings competing for "resources"
They wouldn't do that to their daughter though, and how her mum reacted shows she had no idea this went on
@@kimburns5399 Who do you think killed Charlene Downes?
She was my sisters best friend and we will never ever get over this and most definitely never forget her! She was a absolutely gem & a true friend 💔
1) I’m surprised those 2 friends left her on her own at that time of night tbh. I would have made sure she got back safe before leaving. I bet they must hold a lot of guilt
2) was there not any CCTV around the times the girls left her that may indicate someone approaching her etc?
It’s a difficult case considering there seems to be know real solid evidence. Someone has to have seen something..
How did they know about her getting groomed by that ring for some time? Where was that evidence?
LL yepp, me too! It’s frightening
You obviously know nothing about Blackpool.
There is druggys in most street's .The homeless number is massive .The houses are bad the school's are bad the stuff there is just terrible.
Ive never left my best friends behind. There were times where i really wanted to go home cuz it was gettin late but i would never leave them. I would be horrified if somethin happened to them and i left them alone. I watch so much crime stufff thats how paranoid i am. anything can happen. Better safe than sorry
@UA-cam Videos It was in 2003
Kay, these police sound *COMPLETELY **_INCOMPETENT_*
Steltzer Sketching Blackpool police are completely stupid, speaking to them is like speaking to a brick wall
Icee Items not all.
thats blackpool for you, i grew up around there and even to the point where one of my own family friends was murdered, the police are shit around there.
British Police = incompetence.
Blu Kirby American police= racist
There’s so little evidence in this case against those men. But how their friends acted during the trial is suspect. But also, the mom acts all righteous when I would be floored if she didn’t know or have an idea about the sexual abuse situation. And oh my word, the police work is sloppy. There’s no telling what happened to this poor girl. Maybe one day we will figure it out but I don’t believe the theory that the street merchants Sweeney Todd’d the girl.
ya read my thoughts!!!👍👍
I don't know that I buy the Kabob thing either, but I guess we'll never know what happened with the way things were handled, it's sad.
10pm in Blackpool?
I was born in Blackpool, the furthest I was allowed to go was the lamppost on the same street so I was always in eye/ear shot.
Absolute scumhole of a place
Im muslim and im not a murderer or a threat, except when it goes to cake, i love cake.
クリスティアンスニガ I don’t understand.
クリスティアンスニガ i just think that maybe you’re underage, im sorry im being so rude ok? please dont tell it to your mother.
jason lewis you name it, i love love all of them 💕
Cake is life! Look at delicious desserts uniting strangers on the internet! Is there nothing you can't do cake?
😂😂 honestly same
This is such an awful case 😢 a member of staff within my children’s home actually looked after Charlene for a short period of time.. they said the family have also a lot to answer to, especially the mother
How do you let your 14 year old stay alone on the streets till 10 PM?
chipotle and tacos how do u allow nonces into ur home w ur CHILDREN there?
@@ayybibi lol
@@ayybibi Maybe thats why she was staying out late because she told social services about the man in the house.
Right! At that age curfew would be 8 IF I knew exactly where they were and I’d be picking them up! On the streets alone?! NO!
That really isn't an unreasonable curfew for a 14 year old lol
Why did her mother cover a smile when talking about her daughters murder?
time stamp? i think i know where you mean but im pretty sure she was trying not to break down
I saw that too. I think she’s covering her mouth because she realised she actually unintentionally smiled and covered her mouth not show she smiled. Fake criers do the same by covering their whole face or part of it because the acting is bad and they know it
@@dZRize its at 11:30
Duper’s delight
@@lisaR.3 exactly
It is obviously being covered up. From the beginning it was obvious.
Your right
Maybe idk
But why?
Izzy exactly why would they be covering up a murder or missing person case of a child! That’s messed up, and why would child services keep her in that home even though there were sexual predators visiting!?
@@thedemonunderyourbed8577 I'd advising reading easy meat by peter mcloughlin for an answer to that
Poor girl. She was totally failed by everyone, even including her own parents. Sounds like she never even had a chance. Heartbreaking. She deserved so much better. :( As much as I sympathise with her parents for their loss, they’re also to blame.
I do agree with you a lot of people failed her and many other young girls
Yh it's pretty much a guaranteed that she would have a sad life when everyone around her are monsters especially your own parents, poor girl had no escape
No parents should ever have to wait for their child, that will never come home again. I can't imagine how horrible it must have felt like. ):
When I first moved to Blackpool there was a poster advertising Charlene's disappearance on a board near my local pub. Since then, years later, I've come across the Downes family, and Karen lent me a copy of the book she wrote about Charlene's murder.
you don’t need to say anything im just wondering but do u know what happened based off that book?
If shes not been found, and they have tapes and they have history of grooming then they should be arrested
10:00pm curfew for a 14 year old girl?! Amazing parenting.
Plus, now having seen her mother talk, she comes across as disingenuous. She either knows something, or isn't really all that bothered.
Just likecthe mc canns
I'm 15 and my curfew is 6 pm 😂👉👈
Im 14 and if I ask I’m allowed out til 11pm 😂(as long as I’m with a group of male mates)
I’m 15 and my curfew is 8:30 I couldn’t imagine being allowed out until 10. Poor girl, her parents truly failed her 😔
even if i had a curfew of 10PM i would be home by 8PM cause shiit I hate being alone in the dark.
I never realized how often most people do unsolved cases. I really appreciate the solved ones so much, they bring closure 💆🏼♀️
Regardless if they're guilt or not, they should be charge for running the ring. They're still guilty, period.
I wonder if the police or government was involved in the ring?
Wouldn't surprise me
I think they alwasy are , cuz otherwise there won't be sex trafficking and stuff like that.
They are. But besides that, she did mention the men intimidating members of the jury.
😂 R u American? Americans r so into these ridiculous conspiracy theories
Emily M we know that police were implicated in the Rotherham coverup. One cover up of many across the uk.
Wow, this is a very odd case. Kebab meat?? That is truly crazy asf. I can't wrap my mind around the thought. This is very disturbing && truly sickening.
@@KasumiSan1989 so true
Sunflower
Lydia
Hey I found the vegans lmao
@@sierrarain8258 Hey I found the asshole who eats meat and contributes to animal cruelty
Lydia let people eat what they want, i’m vegetarian and personally don’t like to eat meat but i couldn’t care less what other people eat, mind your own business
Lydia mmh bacon and burgers😃
I really REALLY hope that police department has been reprimanded for the absolute shit job they have done with this case. Disgusting...
Exactly! I TOTALLY AGREE!
This whole case was disgusting, this 14 year old girl was failed by everyone near her. Rip 💚💚
are you gonna be doing a christmas week full of christmas themed cases in december ? i hope you do cuz i’d legit watch them all 3 times🤠
I'll second that! #CrimeMasWeek #KillerChristmas 😂
Hope so!!
She said on Twitter that shes doing a themed week around Christmas and that she already thought of a name for it!
4th !🧡😮🎄🎁
Ariana AJ she said on twitter she doing one called nightmare before christmas or somethjn
I seriously need to stop watching these before I go to sleep I can’t sleep now
i live in blackpool and there are still many posters around in shop windows about her.
Alesha Bell hello fellow blackpudlian!
I haven't seen any posters
Kaitlyn Ward she’s in main stream news this week, there are people that have never stopped trying to get her pic out there
Kaitlyn Ward are you even from Blackpool? She’s on the front of the Gazette every other week? She’s in many shop windows too.
@@whosthis7216
I'm from st Anne's and go to Blackpool most weekends .I've never seen a poster about her .
Not only was she groomed and murdered but SHE WAS FED TO INNOCENT PEOPLE! They sound guilty to me they had a confession on tape of what they did and even if they didn’t say her name and it might not have been her they still did that to another little girl if not her. I’m surprised after learning about the “disposal method” people in town weren’t trying to kill them. Unwilling cannibalism has got to be one of the sickest things I’ve ever heard of☠️
lost all sympathy as soon as it was mentioned that they were members of the EDL. vile how they put these horrific views before their child and endangering her with sex offenders in their house
Not talking about them evil individuals but don't edl as a whole fight grooming gangs
@@warriorman1693 Not really. There's been a lot of scandals with paedophilia etc. within those groups. Stephen Yaxley-Lennon who used to be involved with them claims to be about getting justice with grooming gangs, but all he really does is potentially compromise trials and use it as an outlet for the racism.
Yes me too.
@@warriorman1693 no that's just an excuse to harass asian men
What's EDL?
I live in Blackpool and have all my life, today my mum brought up Charlene and explained her story to me hence why I’m watching this. I’d heard about it before but never in so much detail. Round here if you ask anyone the main thing most people would first say - apart from the way she died- is her genuinely disgusting home life and her (supposedly) being sold for sex by her farther to his friend when he was drunk. On top of this he regularly beat her at home and her mother never helped. The whole case is simply off, the police handled it poorly and the whole grooming circle should’ve been recognized earlier which could’ve prevented so many horrendous events from falling into place.
Police searched for the body next to my house when I was only little it’s honestly so scary knowing that nobody has been arrested for this case and I live so close to where it happened Blackpool is so scary at times
Especially central drive at night
Eboni McFarlane ye
I live in Blackpool and it’s definitely not solved. My boyfriend at the time worked as a doorman and they would all go to the kebab shop after their shift. He was called in for a dna test. Grim . Poor kid 😢
that poor girl. just seems like a awful life she lived at home and what "may" have happened to her.
The recent channel 5 documentary on this case clears a few things up. One of the detectives was the person who deciphered the recordings which is obviously a big no, no: it should’ve been an audio specialist with no bias towards the case. The police got permission to make these recordings based on hearsay, they then tried to get the man on tape to repeat what he had said the first time (that his brother helped dispose of the body etc) but the brother denied ever saying this. If this had came out then the police would not have received permission to tape the men so this secondary tape (where he denied making such comments) went ‘missing’. When the CPS found out about this after the first trial, there was no way the tapes could be used in evidence. Without this, and with no DNA evidence connecting them to Charlene, they had nothing. I really hope the new investigators get Charlene the justice she deserves after all these years.
The police definitely handled this case wrong, however the EDL are massively racist & it wouldn't surprise me if that's why the family keep pinning the blame on these men, I believe the family had something to do with it. She was never told to wait 24 hours, she rang once & that was on the Monday. Whatever excuses she tries to use is bullshit. I wouldn't care how mischievous my child was if they weren't home when they said they would be I'd wait an hour then be ringing round all their friends.. NOT waiting a couple of days to report it. I can't see any sadness from her mother or father either.. it all just seems like they're too busy protecting themselves.
Book, "easy meat" will explain the hundreds of thousands of Charlenes
Another book, "Enemy of the state " TO BE READ IN THIS ORDER,, will explain how caring is the police, government and judiciary are for these girls
Perhaps both are guilty. Mum sold her to the two men but does not want to admit so she has to withold that info and maybe she joined EDL after her daughter went missing blaming religion for her deep seated hatred for those men and herself
I love how your so respectful to the people your talking about
God bless everyone! I hope you have a wonderful week ahead!
Marcus it’s Friday.. but thankyou aha 😂
i really needed this
mad how i felt so bad for the family, went downhill when you said edl, then just snowballed.
Scott Johnston yeah funny how adding political labels do that.
All deez ppl goin IM EARLY no sis u aint early ur on time
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This blew my mind
Lol so true tho 😂😂
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"all these people going I'm early, no sis your not early your on time"... Spelling and grammar.... It's not hard
Why would you leave your friend on a pier so late at night?! This case is so heartbreaking, so many people who should've been protecting this poor girl all failed her. Rest in peace Charlene xx
I felt bad for the parents, but then you said they were EDL and that all just dissolved. I feel horrible for whatever happened with Charlene, the poor girl was clearly trafficked and exploited for an extended period of time. Her death was likely horrific, if she's dead. I feel bad for Charlene, but not for her parents.
Just because someone shares a different political opinion to you doesn’t justify your opinion of them, I’m not an EDL member, but come on
They were neglectful and irresponsible parents.
Sierra Smith you can’t imagine the pain of losing a child. The edl has nothing to do with it. Which proves that if you were working this case you wouldn’t have cared about her wellbeing. She was probably targeted by the sex ring because her parents were members of the edl. It doesn’t mean her child deserves to be killed. Your literally vile and I hope nothing horrible ever happens to you, otherwise I won’t be able to muster the empathy for you because clearly you will deserve it based on your logic here.
ruby eff true that but they didn’t deserve for her to die. Not at all.
@@MF-oj6pi oh yeah of course. It's so awful and I do feel very bad for them.
you’re telling me that madeline mccan got so much money put forward towards her disappearance, yet someone like charlene who needs so much investigating doesn’t get much money. truly disgusting, all missing people count
Exactly
That's the British class divide for you
I lived in blackpool when this happened it was shocking the lads that run the takeaway were very agressive once people started saying this happend .... i remember lads smashing the shop window ....terrible
,me watching 4 year old videos because I’ve already watched every single other video . I find Eleanor’s videos so calming despite the contents it’s her delivery and like sitting and chatting with a friend
She lived on my street, it was a takeaway now called Mario's in Blackpool town centre..
@Dionne Bostock propee rough on dickson road and claremont same as central drive
@Dionne Bostock i used to live on belmont av
Charlene never wanted to go home. She used to come and annoy us older teens from the area asking for cigs and booze when she was 10 or 11. This should never have happened.
@Emily Green i severely doubt they do.
Emily Green no, people do this stuff for attention, dont pay any mind
...What do you mean by "Us"? :T
OPA ARTS why? You think that people who knew Charlene wouldn’t watch these videos? What planet are you on
Charlene begged for cigs and alcohol and she definitely did keep asking older kids to try to get her some. Everyone in that area knew about it. Sorry if you don’t believe it because your probably a goody two shoes who’s never even smoked in your lives. But that shit happens
like what would the purpose had been of them selling HUMAN MEAT in their restaurant?? I think there's a reason Charlene was acting out or "rebellious" & I think her parents allowed perverts into the home and something happened there.
I totally agree. She called them once on Monday, never before then despite her claiming otherwise... gave them a couple of days to get their story d
Straight & clean up any mess
What's the point of selling any meat?
@@madi267 For food?
@@vicmorgana5516 eating meats disgusting and no different from eating human meat
@@madi267 It actually is different. By that logic, a lion shouldn't eat meat because it's the same as eating another lion. Eating meat is natural.
So many good points. Love that you post their photos and call them out. You’re the best. Those men are so guilty.
I have watched almost all of your true crime videos in the past 10 days I can’t get enough of them! You are incredible for all the research and time you put into them, my favourite UA-camr and now I’m feeling rather sad because Iv got non left to watch ❤️
I know nothing of this case. However I really find it hard to believe that anyone would have the capacity to 1) grind up the flesh of a human to create kebab meat 2) had human kebab meat been sold that no one would notice that it wasnt lamb, and report odd meat to the authorities. It seems a very risky way of disposing of a dead body.
Those huge rolls of kebab meat are a factory produced food, so the men would have needed access to an industrial factory kitchen, and butchering expensive and knowledge of the kebab meat making process.
Without these two men having this particular skill set between them, they would have needed help, and the more who know, the more who can talk.
While I dont doubt these slime balls ran a child sexual abuse grooming ring, it's a big jump from sexual abuse to murder and canibalism.
This also does not explain how her bones were disposed of.
I dont know all the details, but it seems like a stretch to me.
I was going to say the exact same thing
For the first point I can give you some reasoning, I can’t say I believe 100% in the theory, however I live in Blackpool, Funny Boys was located in Dickson Road, not really the nicest of areas- central town.
You’d probably go to Funny Boys at around 3/4am to grab a drunken donner kebab, unbeknownst to whatever meat was in it, especially not after a full night of drinking. Hope that clears that up slightly!
Dolly d'Arling they are not all factory produced. I’ve seen a shopping cart with four sheep carcasses going into one of these kebab shops. They sometimes process it in the shop. These places aren’t known for their sanitary practices. Why anyone eats at them is a mystery to me - I don’t care how drunk I am. No way.
There is this rumor(Idk if it's true) that rats were used for meat at a kebab place close to my school and tbh if you have never tasted human flesh you might have just thought it was lamb or something that people usually eat+like Katie-Rose wrote if you grab a kebab at 3/4 am after a night of drinking you might think that the weird taste would be because you are drunk
Well her flesh was most likely mashed up with the rest of the meat. If the theory is correct obviously.
I’m sorry but can we appreciate that eyeliner 😍😍
Yes her hair is beautiful also
And it's a video on a gruesome murder...
Just a bit
complementing someone’s looks during a gruesome murder/abduction ok buddy
@@nibble8884 nothing fucking wrong with it mate. Why is it bad for someone to complement her look just because its a case story? Seriously why is it so wrong?
i watch a lot of murder cases by eleanor and honestly ever since i started i always get a bad feeling about everyone and everything, i always fell like someone is going to ambush me or something 😭😭
sameeeee
Maybe take a break for your mental health. Not everyone is so crazy and wicked. Don't look so long into the dark you forget the light is there too 💟 If there was no light to contrast it how would we even know to call it dark?
@@CharlieHorse4363 yes i took a somewhat break because im always paranoid 😭 but every time she posts i will watch the video, she doesn’t post much though 😂
@@diewaaaoriakhilll8732 saaaame - I’m addicted to her videos but a break is always good 😂😂
See how Nick Griffin tried to try to use this to further his cause 🤬
Poor Charlene, she was so vulnerable and needed someone to look after her not allowed out to all ours 😢
It says a lot about the family that men like Tommy Robinson & Nick Griffin have washed their hands of them
@Rab McDonald enquiries need to be made nearer home,Charlene came to harm at the hands of a family member or one of the nonces & violent criminals invited back by Robert downes senior. Maybe not intentionally but she was killed in the family home shortly after her last sighting.
They still have the exact takeaway just a different name. Raveshi owns multiple other takeaways/corner shops in Blackpool as well
Do you know what the names are? I'm going to Blackpool next month x
I can't say cause I don't wanna get into trouble
JUST SAY PLEASE😖 I LIVE IN BLACKPOOL AND I NEED TO KNOW
@@gachablox3230 Caunce Street Bargains, is the only one I know. Real Justice for Charlene Downes is a facebook page for more info
@@kimburns5399 omg I never knew that and I went past that ship every day as I used to live off cauce street when I lived in bpl until last Sept. Well scary
WHAT. bb I thought you were taking a break?!?! so happy right now, ngl. But please do NOT sacrifice your physical/mental health just to make videos; don't forget your well-being should always take priority!
I absolutely agree! I often worry that she's putting her own health at risk so as not to disappoint her fans when in actuality all of her true fans love her and have so much respect for her and the way she presents videos that none of them would ever fault her for taking a break if she needed it to put her own mental health as her number one priority!
19:07 Bang on. I’m really glad you mentioned this- no one else mentions the abuse in the home.
1:10 im not sure its normal to be expelled from school...just a thought
Some areas of blackpool are super deprived and poor and lots of children are neglected and ignored so it's kind of common for children to act up to receive the attention they dont get at home
@@fl1205x plus poor behaviour at school would be a huge sign of abuse at home, so makes sense.
Sugar Free Anthems I believe you may be thinking of suspension 🤔 Being suspended is temporary while expelled is not
RIP Joergen yeah
No ones been suspended from my school in 15 years
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Hi El! I found a case for you which is unfortunately unsolved and is named 'the murder of the woman found wrapped in tape'. Here's some information i found: the case is of 33 year old Angela Millington who was a homeless woman at the time of her murder that is why many have never heard of this case. She was found by forensics in a wooded area in Southend, Essex where was badly decomposed. I thought it would be good for her case to get more traction that it has, lots of love x
I 2nd this! I live in southend and have never heard of this!
Woah wtf I thought you were gonna say America or somthin but I live a solid 10 minutes away from southend and have never heard of this, I'm definitely going to research this for my school project.
They made a BBC documentary on the child exploitation ring. I've never watched it but I think its called Three Girls or something?
Yeah it's called three girls I've watched it
That’s Rochdale
i watched it its on netflix too. and i wanted to literaly kill those men it was horid
Scares me so much, I put myself in situations at 13 like being under influence on a beach with an adult, staying out alone all night, going in cars with random people. I now have a 13yr old daughter, If she doesnt reply immediate I panic