Hi! kinda new to your channel. Would like to know if you have point to point buses in one of your games? or sorry if you are against point to point bus routes or Cities skylines simulation can't handle it. cheers! kudos!
Boy, oh boy, I'm always impressed by your humbleness, how you listen to the community and are not afraid of going back and make changes that are sensible. I just admire you more and more. Excelent content, as always! Passing this year with your videos made everything better! Cheers buddy!
Would make a ton of sense to remove the stop at the observatory and have another bus line run there. In reality there would be one bus every two or three hours pinging back and forth between the nearest train station and/or space campus and the observatory.
Closest thing I have in mind is the UC Berkeley private minibus route between the downtown BART station and the Space Sciences building (very convenient for me when I got the free bus from my rental to the station, then transferred onto that to get to my internship). That distance is quite a way uphill but it runs pretty frequently, maybe one every 30 mins? However, that irl route looks like it’s dwarfed by the requirements to get to the Verde Beach observatory from a transit stop. I think in the Berkeley case the size of the vehicle is really well chosen - a 50-seater would make no sense, but 10-15? That was perfect, never full but always used. Maybe that helped it run more, maybe Cal was running it at more of a loss than offering a simple free bus would expect as they have such a high profile cluster of facilities up there. The drivers were always really pleasant too, lovely bunch
Great point! I'll readjust this one in the next one. No need to have this tacked onto the Pyrotechnic Route. Also missing quite a bit of service near the space campus... so I'll have to get that in the next one!
@@CityPlannerPlays While you are at it, remove the Pyrotechnic route. You started it as an express shuttle before metro was run out to Sterling Estates. The metro does the exact same job and the shuttle uses the exact same stops as the metro. It's a duplicate service that the metro does better.
You are over producing basic lumber by 3-4 fold. That's why the lumber storages are full and all their trucks are doing exports. Processor buildings don't send a truck out, they only send a buy call out and thus lumber storage would do the delivery, or the lumber producer. But since they don't have any free trucks,. they can't deliver. You need to match the produced lumber to demanded lumber on industry area screen and that makes it work in balance.
Or add several more storage buildings to have more trucks available to continue exporting raw lumber. Think the best solution would be consuming and producing more of that lumber for more money to export finished goods.
I literally had this problem last night and for the love of me couldn't figure it out for like 2 hrs. Then that's what I realized is my trucks were in Timbuktu while my plants were screaming for supply. Added extra storage and set a couple of them to empty (just extra money as far as I could see) and voila all is right with the world. hahaha :)
@@alienamzal477 Yes. Because of how the supply chain works. Processors don't pick up anything, they only make a call to buy stuff and it gets delivered by the sellers truck. Now when there is significant over production happening, all trucks are busy exporting and none can supply the processor. Hence they are out of material.
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What I'm doing in my cities: Same colour scheme and numbers for busses that serve certain purposes. For example: Exclusive downtown busses: 100 - Downtown Line 1 200 - Downtown Line 2 300 - Downtown Line 3 Downtown & Outskirt connecters 10 - Bus line connecting outskirts with the downtown 1 20 - Bus line connecting outskirts with the downtown 2 30 - Bus line connecting outskirts with the downtown 3 Busses that are inner-city busses but don't run the downtown: 1 - Bus that runs from suburb X to suburb X 2 - Bus that runs from suburb X to suburb X 3 - Bus that runs from suburb X to suburb X That makes it easier in the game but also makes it easier for people living in a city to know: "Ok this is a two digit number that goes downtown!"
@@e4envy303 exactly, in my main build I have all busses in red because I have never seen a city with busses that are different colors if they are part of the the city’s transit company
A challenge would be whether the route should be renumbered if it's changed in the future, which would cause confusion, or if it shouldn't, breaking the numbering rule system. E.g. in Singapore buses that operate out of _Yishun_ town/suburb mostly start with 8 while those that run out of Woodlands begin with 9. 858 originally ran between _Yishun_ - Woodlands but when it was extended from the former to Changi Airport, it kept its original number. So now you have an anomaly of a bus service starting with an '8' running out of Woodlands instead of _Yishun_ .
I just go for the rainbow gradient to make it pretty and neat. Going 1 to whatever and assign it a rainbow from red to red. If I have more lines, I repeat the pattern with pastel or darker versions or in gray scale. The menu for buses looks gorgeous and the lines are easily separated for me. xD But realistically your system is what I have seen in my areas. And it is a logical thing to have. Have specific numbers locked to specific areas of the city and have number of digits relate to the distance from the city centre. Like in my city every neighbourhood has different number assigned from 1-9, with second digits being assigned in order of when the line was added and everything outside the city/between other cities has third digit in front that signifies the direction and which major close city it connects to). Numbers already given never ever repeat, which isn't an issue, cause its hard to have more than 100 different lines in medium sized European city. For example in my neighbourhood there was before the main bus with number 5, but when they extended the line to other neighbourhood, but kept the same road (with additional stops through the city) - they changed it into 35L and 35S (based on direction in which specific bus was going - going from city centre to L neighbourhood then S neighbourhood or other way around).
When you create your lines, make sure the starting direction is on the right side of the road, or it will cross road and junctions. Unless you do it on purpose for some reason to me unclear 🤭 lines are always crossing making loops and weird shapes, and extending the length for no reason. 🤗
Just a quick tip for you and anybody else struggling to hit the correct budgets for the amount of vehicles: mouse wheel up or down while hovering over the bar increases or decreases by 1%. So you can maximise efficiency!
So, your forestry industry problem with goods not getting where they need to be even though plenty are available is a known vanilla issue. Biffa talked about it in many of his city builds, explaining why he uses a mod for it. So in vanilla, when a building needs goods it sends out a notification to ALL buildings that have these goods available and want to sell them. One of them will reply and send those goods over, the problem is that the delivery can come from anywhere. It could be from a nearby warehouse or producing facility, it could be from a freight railway station, cargo harbor or cargo airport that's importing from a different city, it could be from a warehouse or producing facility all the way on the other side of your city. The game does not take distance/travel time into account in vanilla. Each distributing facility has a finite amount of trucks to send goods across the city so really any long trip made is a downside. The larger your city, the more things start to snowball out of control so inevitably there comes a point that long trips gain critical mass, which causes huge delays and shortages where there should be none. The mod that Biffa uses fixes this by sending out the order to the nearest distributing facility first. This creates shorter trips which means trucks return sooner to be able to send out again to deal with the next order. Long story short, in vanilla the game is working as intended and there's little to nothing you can do to fix the core issue. However, a few episodes back I commented about the cargo station in the redevelopped area not having a bypass track for any trains not wanting to go through that cargo station. The bridge over the river going to that cargo station is a real bottleneck and that station is the cork preventing cargo from going where it needs to be. You didn't notice it back then because on the other end of that cargo station the railway goes underground and all trains where waiting underground. It was hard to miss because you didn't stay in the underground view for long, but us viewers have the luxury to pause and rewind the video and I did catch the cargo train blockage. Fixing it might not completely solve the issue with not enough goods in your forestry industry, but that blockage definatly isn't helping things.
Hi CPP, i'm a fan directly from Brazil. Have u ever considered to create a resort/spa in the mountains? You could even use the route to deep space radar. Sorry for my poor english. Great video!
Great idea! Let me give that some thought, but I love the idea! And you're English is a bunch better than my Portuguese - no need to apologize, I think it's perfect! 😀. Thanks for watching!!
Yes! Busses! The power of bus transit has for some reason been the bane of my cities skylines existence. It's more regular traffic but also gets cars off the road, but also if they break or something it's done just right then backups can occur? The give and take! Thank you for this!
50:00 Wouldn't it make more sense to have the express line stop at the train station and the two east-west lines stop on separate platforms at the metro plaza? It would avoid the backup issue with the two trains stopping onto the same side of the station and remove those turns from the express line.
My thoughts exactly. The orange and yellow lines split around the veterans park. Have the orange line bypass the stops between the airport and the train station. Cut the yellow line East before the airport turn Orange becomes an airport Express Yellow becomes the coastal line
Or make a new tunnel for orange to be an Express between the airport and the train Keep yellow's stop at the airport; add yellow stops at veteran's Park (replacing the defunct orange stops) Yellow is on the airport's NW-SE platform; orange is on the SW-NE platform. Switch the platforms and build the new direct tunnel off the NW-SE platform Right now orange and yellow are doing a lot of the same stops; only Yellow is bypassing a couple stops by the veteran's Park.
The problem with your Lumber Company is that all the trucks for both the storage and the tree plantations are occupied going to either deliver to cargo station (or other industry buildings). So the ones you have right next to them don't have an available truck that can deliver the raw forestry product since the trucks for the factory buildings don't get raw material, they only deliver the processed material to either storage if there is space otherwise they will export it through a cargo terminal. To find the problem it is helpful to watch the routes of the trucks for the buildings that aren't working and solutions is: 1. Have a cargo terminal closer to the lumber company 2. Add more storage building since they have a larger number of trucks compare to production building and can act as a buffer since it looks like you're producing too much raw product compare to processed 3. Balance production/processing buildings since you are overproducing raw material at the moment Also if you have the storage to empty they will just export more which will give an opposite effect to what you wanted. Anyway, great series, I am enjoying it very much! I love the way you connect reality into this game!
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The issue with the orange line between the Aeroport and the Central Station is that the yellow and the orange lines share the same track. The orange line already has a very high amount of vehicles (bc it's a very big line), but the yellow line is causing it to back up even more. Also, the yellow line is now also being made less efficient bc its getting stuck behind the orange line vehicles; It would be more efficient to put the lines on separate tracks. Edit: Spell check
I think I have the solution for your metro station with two lines ending on the same platform. Because each line ends at that station, you stop on the same side. To fix this problem, when make your metro line, have one “end” there and have the other line “begin” there. If I’m I’m not mistaken, this will have one line automatically stop on the other platform. I’m not 100% sure about this because it only happened once in my game and I never bothered to test it again.
Yes that's true. Don't know why the game won't let you just switch the side or the orientation of the line so just choose the line that is easier and do it again in the opposite direction and delete the old one. The starting and end points of a line will always be on the right side according to the direction of the line. So having one line start and another line end at the same station, they're going to be at the same side. They both have to start from that station in opposing directions.
I wonder why those had to be separate lines in the first place. I know there is this trend in public transport planning to break some lines in the middle which as a passenger I always found annoying.
@@ArturdeSousaRocha It wouldn't have to be separate lines in reality because there you could control the frequency of the metro trains. In the game, you end up with a line that's 20km long, having 20 metro trains and could still have 10km where there is absolutely no train available because they're all bunched up
@@TheTaxxor Which explains why there are always lines which end at what in real life would only be an intermediate station. That bug - or feature - of the game is why I see so many CS players create metro lines that terminate at an ordinary station which I find maddening!
I love designing transit and bicycle facilities in game. My current build has some crazy ridership with my busiest metro line averaging 3000 boarding/deboardings every 10 minutes and roughly 13,000-16,000 passengers during rush hour (real-time/realistic population mods). Even with 45 vehicles that can carry 480 passengers, I get overwhelmed vehicles at the busiest stops, but luckily I checked and it looks like I have vehicles arriving every 3 minutes. I'm hoping to share it with you for a city review here in a month or two.
I think the issue with the lumber industry is that all the cargo trucks are in use importing/exporting lumber from/to far away. This means they can't do the short trips to drop off raw products at the processors. If you check the industry area and it says you export a large amount of your produced lumber, that is most likely the issue.
For the Airport/Sunset E/W lines, you'll need to flip one line's starting and turnaround points so that they use different platforms at central station instead of the same one (and thus the excessive queuing)
It'd be interesting to see you make a Verde Beach quarry somewhere and just start taking soil from there. But maybe build up a small town of services around the quarry, since you can't necessarily make one that people will actually work at, haha.
51:30 One thing I have noticed when adding metro lines is that They start from and end on the right side (whichever you choose to be your driving side for the city) Allow me to explain At the central station, the east line (airport to central), you drew that line starting at the airport and ending at central, it is on the north side of the station (right side platform from the line's point of view). the west line, you started the line from central station, therefore it started from its right side (again being north) so they are at the same platform. Try creating the line from a different station on the west side and then approaching central. That should solve the problem of the lines taking up the same platform, and indirectly bunching of the trains Edit: Corrected time stamp
Did that at the Pyrotechnics before this episode and was surprised that this wasn't the solution he's taken now^^ Still deleted that station and did it like in the video because of the additional Metro track that will most likey be important in the future. And it's also nice to see all these people coming out of one station and immediately going to the other one^^
Again I have to say that CPP is the only channel which I watch sponsored content because no other Content Creator have such creativity. Sometimes transit (bus and metro) can be annoying in this game. What I think is that it would be great to have more control on routes buses go just like Transport Fever 2 Which has some sort of waypoints you can put and buses or trucks will go that way. And again like Transport Fever 2 it would be great to be able to choose platforms on train stations (in this case metro). Wish you a Happy Holidays.
Both of your metrolines that start at teh airport go along the coast. Maybe one of those could go more inland to make new connections with the trans and busses there. That change would give people at the airport more options and would take the pressure away from the coastal lines
for airport - sunset, the problem isn't the line itself, it's the tunnels : 2 heavy use lines share the same tunnels and some stops, so they slow each other down (i'm talking about the express yellow line) you could try to seperate those two by building symmetric stops + tunnels for the yellow line, to let the orange airport - sunset alone also, it would be legit for an express line. of course, you could also put the yellow express line on the beach road. it would be.. the tourist express \o/
I think that a passenger rail connection to the airport would make a ton of sense. It is much higher capacity and is perfectly realistic. In my local city of Philadelphia regional rail is integral to the transit network and includes a connection to the airport, where the subway does not connect.
Direct tourist buses from airport to the most atractive tourist-places (two stops only on each line like this: stop 1 airport - stop 2 hotells ) btw.. this was a really good episode, one of my favorite things to do in this game is to create public transit network 😀😀
Gee whiz, I reckon you could almost do a full restructure of the metro service throughout the city, and really maximise the stations in the big metro hub by the train station in the city. Really keen to see how that could impact and improve the metro ridership. Thanks for all you've done this year Phil! Have a safe and happy Christmas and new year, enjoy your family time. Look forward to seeing more Verde Beach, CWC, and Tutoria next year!
The rule of thumb for head on colliding metro lines in the same station, put tthe lines on the right (on the side from which they leave the station, they will leave faster), that's what the French rail guys call the "Zero maneuver" because it requires NO maneuver to leave the station since you are already on the right track. Paris metro or other lines mostly use it on weekends when traffic is lower. So here, Red Line is on the good side, change Pink Line to the other side. Of course if you chose the left hand driving when starting your city, do the opposite. Press Shift to designate the other platform than the default one (or another plaform of a big multiplatform station) to a line. Also there seems to be an express line for the airport (in yellow), the two tunnel merge shortly after the last station before the airport, you should condider separate the two routes completely if you can afford it. Then, the 4 tracks station near the Central station has three lines and the main line (orange) has to get through traffic from the other lines and the green line should have its own station to not mess up with traffic from the two other lines. Plus the line is crowded because you need to increase the network density by building other lines that sometimes intersect with the main one.
Using Roads with transit Lanes would be beneficial I think (at the new collector), also it's unrealistic to make a level-crossing with metro tracs, since a metro is a very high-frequency train, that runs very often
You're right that it's not preferable, but there are actual cities where the metro does have level crossing with streets, such as Chicago. See for example the first part of this video ua-cam.com/video/6bU5n93Jp1k/v-deo.html
Lmao, this episode really drove home how funny the image of a bus with just 30 people in it going “sorry, full.” We have articulated busses on some popular/long routes, but I’ve rarely rode them. Probably only 30 seats, but you can easily pack twice that many people in if half of them stand, and most consider standing next to a stranger a preferable alternative to staying out in the cold Boston air or being late to work and waiting for the next bus. Also, we have so many bus routes that they are neither named, nor given a color. They’re numbered! So by comparison, VB is doing okay on that metric!
I've always found public transport, especially the bus lines, and keeping track of them after you've expanded, to be quite tedious in the game, but I'm glad you find it important to do. I'm sure the city you work at is all the better for it! :-) Happy holidays to you and your family, Phil. And the whole Verde Beach community as well, as apparently they're having a white Christmas! ;-)
Agreed. My solution was to use buses only for neighborhoods or small groups of land use. They are closed loops. They will have 1 (or 2 depending on geography) transfer spot to a "shuttle" line. This shuttle line is another bus line to start, but later becomes a metro line. This way, I only have to keep track of my shuttle lines throughout the game, knowing my neighborhood lines are always correct. Of course, this assumes I don't come back and redesign an entire neighborhood such as he did with the lumberyard's move.
When you were tallking about needing Soil and getting rid of that hill, reminded me of a story from a few years back. Dude in nearby countryside had been wanting to get rid of this hill on his property for like, a decade or something, but he couldn't for some reason I can't recall, After around 10 years, we get a flood in the area that due to the Ice floes, ruined some of the burms, and the city is desperate to get fill to reinforce them. In strode this dude, who 'graciously offered' to sell them the tons of fill in the form of the hill on his property. Dude made a tidy little sum from it iirc too, as well as finally getting rid of that hill from his property.
Hi ... just a few remarks and ideas ... 51:56 I prefer moving the orange line to the metro plaza (which you later undo) - 1. it eliminated any crossing of the yellow express line's trains in the opposite direction, something that does happen if you branch out to the central station's metro platform; having the local line terminate in the middle is a cleaner solution. 2. the local metro is much more overcrowded than the express metro: I think this is an effect of the pedestrian / transit user routing algorithm which sometimes seems to be unbalanced - people prefer the slower metro if the path to the platform is a few meters shorter. Having both stop at Metro Plaza should create equal path lengths and shift local metro users over to the express metro. 19:07 If the river crossing is the most popular section of the pink route that forces you to increase the amount of vehicles why not extend the dark red line, too, to also cross the river - but in a different angle that reaches areas the pink line cannot reach. 25:59 These metro end stations with multiple bus bays exist in reality and usually bus networks connected to it have a pattern: a bunch of bus lines running parallel like a blueprint for the expansion of the metro line that was somehow not warranted - and after a while these bus lines branch out in different directions. This way you can continue the metro attractiveness for a few miles. 11:13 The 46km bus route - well, there would be other metro stations on the way to connect to and have a shorter route ... 45:57 The pedestrian patterns leading up to the overcrowded bus stop almost have a crescent shape - and this shape could basically describe the form of a new loop line via the train/metro hub. Create a rival directly attacking the overcrowded parts of the South Shuttle line. Bus stops might be placed a little bit closer to pick people up right at their door step.
Hi City Planner Plays! On your metrorail fixes this and next episode: 1) Pyrotechnical Institute Station: I had expected you to merge the Red and Pink Lines but your replacement with a new cross and bus terminal station was a stroke of genius! (Because of the Sunset - Airport Line congestion before you did the split) 2) Sunset - Airport Lines bunching up at Central Station: others have made suggestions for a fix to the situation where you have both lines load from the same (north) platform. I would redraw the East Line out to the Airport beginning at Central Station so that its trains board at the opposite (south) platform. 3) Metro Plaza: the platforms roughly oriented east-west are ideal for express and local lines going out to the airport. There's so much traffic here, you need a New York City level of service for that corridor, with separate express and local tunnels! 4) 51:29 It seems this station should have the express trains (Yellow Line) stop on the central tracks and the local trains (Sunset - Airport East Line & eastern Green Line) stop on the outside tracks. Then you can run the local trains run into the city in the original tunnel with one line ending at Central Station and the other line ending at Metro Plaza, and the express trains in its own tunnel to Metro Plaza. 5) Sterling Heights Southside: perhaps a new metrorail would be in order, but you'll need high density zoning, such as rezoning the lots facing the collector road (avenue) for apartments and maybe put in a T.O.D. at the junction of the two avenues. 😏 Oh, I'm sure Karen's not going to like that! 😁😉
25:54. This is my biggest pet peeve of the game. Path finding forced the vehicle to get to the side of the road the facility is on instead of... turning left into the facility
i think your best bet to dealing w/ airport wonkieness might be to make a new metro connection for the yellow express line and have it separate out and send it on its own beach side of the veteran's memorial and reconnect at the bypass station. as is, it looks like there's too many trains for the tracks to handle
You could add express variants of some bus services on heavy demand routes and heavy utilised metro lines as backup. Some town circulators/feeders could be used at Lewis Garden City, Historic District and the city.
Imma make a suggestion that where the subway intersects with the road near the lumber area; the road should be a bridge because it would not make sense that a subway would have at-grade crossing
One of the things about transfers in public transit is as an over 25 year user of public transit I found in 4 different cites each transfer added from 15-45 minutes ( not predictable a random increase in time changing per day ) to my one way trip time and is a major part of the reason I now use an ICE vehicle instead of public transit ( no non transfer way to work )
I'm waiting for Biffa to lend Hugo There to City Planner so that Hugo can spend some time in Verde' Beach and be the star 🌟 in yet another Nord VPN advertisement!
In my experience, metro works MUCH better if you set it up in loops that come close to each other to provide transfer points. Linear metro lines just tend to cause the trains to get in each other's way, loops keep them moving. Game mechanics and whatnot. Thanks for the videos man!
The thing with metro platform selection is that it will always try to use the platform that is correct for the main direction of travel. With cars driving on the right hand side of the road, that means that the metro will always try to use the right hand side platform when you create the line. Where this really makes a difference are at the endpoint metro stations. So where you have one station with two lines approaching it from opposite sides, you should create your line starting at a point away from that endpoint, connect into it and then reverse back to have the game select opposite platforms for those opposing direction line end points. It's kind of hard to describe, but you can see it happen with a little experimentation.
@38:05 Nothing is broken, you just haven't anywhere near enough storage facilities (i.e. available trucks) for the amount of raw materials you are producing. Notice how that log yard has all 20 of its trucks in use? It can't shift over any logs over to the processors because there are no trucks available (they are all busy doing other things - like exporting stuff out of the city). My rule of thumb is one storage per extractor; you have nowhere near that many. More log yards means more trucks available; even if some are used to import/export stuff, there will be some left over to move logs to where you actually want them to go - which is to the processors.
Lewis Lumber is broken down logistically because your Large Log Yards are being flooded with raw materials. While setting them to balanced is correct, the flooding causes all the trucks to be stuck in use exporting raw forest products out of the city to try and get the stores back down to 50%. Above 50%, the game will not reliably move materials into your mills, it will prioritize exports which means that truck is out of service until it leaves the city and comes back (or makes it to a Cargo Train terminal, etc but leaving the city is often more likely and takes the longest). Trucks that are exporting cannot be used to fulfill orders from your mills, meaning the mills in turn import from outside the city instead of using your warehouses. Setting these to Full or Empty would create even more issues btw. At Full your tree farm plots would have to export directly which causes breakdowns, and at empty your warehouses would literally never keep up via Truck count while also starving your mills. There's two things you need to do to fix this. First, build a lot more Large Log Yards (You'll likely need between 8 and 12 total for now) so that you get more trucks to export with, meaning you stand a chance of keeping each individual Large Log Yard at 50%. Second, you probably need to increase your mill count to consume more of the Raw Forestry Products locally. This second part will only start to work once you expand the Large Log Yards though. You always need to keep an eye on how many trucks are in use from each stage of production. If it hits near 100% truck usage, things will break down. You may even want to consider reducing your Raw Forestry Product production facilities in conjunction with increasing the storage to help it even out. It really don't take much raw production to sustain a lot of mills.
This was a great dive into transit. One suggestion: With the new bus terminal it forces all pedestrian traffic to cross a street (or two) to get into the commercial/office areas. I think a pedestrian bridge crossing one or both of the streets at that intersection might be a good idea. Thank YOU for the work you put out for us to enjoy. Can't wait to see what happens in 2022!
You could achieve two metro end-of-line stations to stop on opposite platforms if you first extend one of the lines one stop further, then create only one stop at the previous station on the precise platform you want to use in the end, and finally remove the extended end-of-line stop you created previously. In that way the metro line will shorten, with the end-of-line stop being exactly on the platform you wanted (opposite from the end-of-line station of the other line).
I think your problem with Myrtle Fields/Lewis Lumber Company is that you have storage yards and processing buildings on a one-way road. the game tends to not like that very much for some reason unless you favour the natural loading/unloading direction.
I have a tip for you with the soil issues, most cities will have a quarry somewhere for gravel/soil/substrate. Perhaps you could build a quarry site in the hills and build some lore/history about it.
Railroad next? With the track trough the city now only carrying passenger trains and all the stations converted to these express stations, I really don't see the need for that additional track that's only going from central station to Lewis Garden City, which in my case is used by ~10 people per train. You could bring the main track to all of these stations and allow for intercity traffic.
Now that you have the new metro bus hub at the Pyrotechnic it would be interesting to turn the old Main Street tram into a monorail extension that goes across the bridge as another transfer option.
The problem with the Sterling Estates bus is that it will always be packed from the school. Because for whatever reason in this game, children will travel cross town to go to school. Extending the metro line is probably your best bet. Gotta fight unrealistic stuff with unrealistic stuff. But also it'd be for the children. If only commuter destinations was vanilla...
I never see Biffa run out of soil while Terra Forming on this Vanilla playthrough where he says he uses NO MODS, I even commented one day asking if he was using the "unlimited soil mod" and he replied and said "No" lol 😆
Those big bus terminals tend to have just one way into them and they don't allow left turns into or out of them. I've also found the buses tend to move faster on their lines if they have fewer 90-degree turns; keep them going as straight as possible for as long as possible.
One of your I-10 pink lines has a stop immediately outside the transfer facility, rather than inside the transfer facility itself. You're central metro stations are also not making effective use of the available stations, you have 3 stations all emptying into a single line. 1 Station that has two lines running stopping on it, and another station that is not used at all.
Maybe adding a few taxi stops could be a solution for the sterling states. You would expect a higher utilization of taxi in a neighborhood like that one.
I am test positive on Covid and just watching one episode of yours then another one and another one and now i am at ep 63. Please keep up the good wor.
it looks like that one bus stop is right at the only point where an entire suburb has pedestrian access to the bus line. if you add more pedestrian connection to your bus stops, you'll get more spreading of passengers
At this point it might be worth splitting the metro stations coming out of the airport to go to different parts of the city instead of essentially following the same track through the central city.
In 50:14 you are re-making the mistake, why the first metro lines you discussed were backlogging (at 4:17) : Where there are two metro lines using the same metro station, you place their end stops on the same side of the tracks. Thus they cannot occupy that stop simultaneously. This is best visible at 50:31. However, there is the other side of the tracks, that is fully unused. Place the other line ending on the other side, so that the dots are beside each other - allowing both metro trains to enter that same station simultaneously. It may take some wiggling to get the 2nd line dot be placed oth other side, but it certainly can be done.
It appears that the problem with the Orange Airport metro line is that it's getting tangled up with the Yellow Airport Express metro line. Perhaps it's time to do a complete separation of the tracks, even if in reality it would be impractical. Unless some wealthy benefactor named Melon Husk wanted to demonstrate his tunnel boring machine in Verde Beach, and do so cheaply. Also, unless I am mistaken, there's a platform in the super Metro hub across from the central station which is not being used. That might be a missed opportunity to help clean up the issues on the Orange metro line. Thanks for the always enjoyable and informative videos, Phil! Have a happy holiday season and stay healthy!
I think you were battling with two separate bus lines at Buzzsaw landing, because when you hovered over the line there was another yellow line there that wasnt glowing
Have you thought about extending the south sterlin heights tram to run across the collector up to the metro/bus station? I think it would fit the neighborhood and make it unique by not relying on busses as much. Also I think there should be a bit of a bigger focus on bike paths, for example between the new bus/metro hub near the pyrotechnic to the actual campus, as the campus is already built for biking.
Happy holidays to you as well! Thanks for all the great content! Really admire that you're able to put out consistenly good content on a regular basis, with several varied series: the Ultimate Beginners Guide, Verde beach, City Tips, Clearwater County... Again, thanks for the great content!
Finally all caught up on this series, love it. Lots of knowledge and great looking city. Can't wait for the next episode on Tutoria and now on to watch Clearwater :D
A thought- Maybe you should rename the Verde Beach Express to the “Fireloo & City Line” because in London there is the Waterloo & City line which makes sense because it rains there most of the time but change it to fit in VB because there’s at least one fire going on in the city at any given time. Also, the Waterloo & City line is an express service between just 2 stations in central London. Just an idea.
Not sure if you realise that you could simply have changed the red metro route so that it didn't start at the Pyrotechnic... That's why the line started on that side. Deleting the red line and redrawing it from a different station would have put the red line on the other side of the station. The interchange works very nicely of course (I just wish they'd put an internal connector between the metro platforms in the asset). And then at the other end you've taken out the city end of the airport line and replaced it with a new short line and repeated the same mistake: you've started the line at the wrong end and thus the two lines are vying for the same platform. Easy fix, just start from the other end with the new line. BIG improvement in the utilisation numbers at the end! And if youi're going to revamp the whole beach area metro then the temporary thing doesn't matter much anyway. Another year almost done, wow! Have a great whatever with whomever CP, been a blast! (literally in the case of your previous PC too...) o7
Have you thought about having an epxress route from the airport to downtown? In London we have the Heathrow & Gatwick express which are trains that are direct from the airport to central stations within London, they charge a premium compared to metro connecitons or local trains into the center of London. Or a more significant option is to have a transfer metro terminal in the north of the city, would mean that you have a new centre to buiild out from?
Thanks for a great year of videos Phil! Thanks to you, I fell in love with a new game and have spent countless hours absorbing content from multiple creators! Happy holidays to you and your loved ones, may 2022 be a better year for us all!
12:00 it would be a shuttle route I would say. University would request it, but it would be for students and university workers mostly. My university was a bit outside of the city and there was no proper public transit to it. They have added a route from the nearest metro to the university, it was open to the public but only students were using it. I doubt it was making any profit
Doesn't need to make a profit in this case since uni students are most likely not to have a car or be able to afford the transit, you lower the barrier to entry to higher education and those people once they get a job will end up paying higher taxes to subsidize the system; a small cost with quite large payoffs.
Both the yellow and orange line share one track from the airport and intersect close to trainstation. The yellow line goes down and the orange line goes straight to CS. when they leave they intersect again, yellow from below and orange. Its not lumpy and bumpy as you say with terrain issues, it is hockety pockety... I think that is a reason why it builds up so much. Too many intersections to close to each other
4:20 you can separate the lines without a mod. The side the stop is placed on is determined by the direction you are moving in when placing it. You could delete the red stop and drag it from the preceding stop.
At about 17 minutes, when you were having trouble with the grading around the train tracks, I thought you'd use the terrain to make a nice lil bridge over the tracks, if possible that might be a good move considering how busy that station looks. Love your channel and others like it though, sparked my love for the game big time so thank you(:
To avoid 2 metro lines sharing the same platform when both are just ending at a station you need to delete one of the lines snd start it from the other end so it finishes in the other platform. (just select and copy the name before deleting) So if you start a line and pull to a certein direction it will follow that side of the tracks and end in that side of the platform, changing only on the return trip, but merging back to the original platform.
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Hi! kinda new to your channel. Would like to know if you have point to point buses in one of your games? or sorry if you are against point to point bus routes or Cities skylines simulation can't handle it. cheers! kudos!
Boy, oh boy, I'm always impressed by your humbleness, how you listen to the community and are not afraid of going back and make changes that are sensible. I just admire you more and more. Excelent content, as always! Passing this year with your videos made everything better! Cheers buddy!
Well said.
Thank you so much! Thanks so much for coming on this journey with me! Happy holidays and a great new year!!
Would make a ton of sense to remove the stop at the observatory and have another bus line run there. In reality there would be one bus every two or three hours pinging back and forth between the nearest train station and/or space campus and the observatory.
Closest thing I have in mind is the UC Berkeley private minibus route between the downtown BART station and the Space Sciences building (very convenient for me when I got the free bus from my rental to the station, then transferred onto that to get to my internship). That distance is quite a way uphill but it runs pretty frequently, maybe one every 30 mins? However, that irl route looks like it’s dwarfed by the requirements to get to the Verde Beach observatory from a transit stop.
I think in the Berkeley case the size of the vehicle is really well chosen - a 50-seater would make no sense, but 10-15? That was perfect, never full but always used. Maybe that helped it run more, maybe Cal was running it at more of a loss than offering a simple free bus would expect as they have such a high profile cluster of facilities up there.
The drivers were always really pleasant too, lovely bunch
Great point! I'll readjust this one in the next one. No need to have this tacked onto the Pyrotechnic Route. Also missing quite a bit of service near the space campus... so I'll have to get that in the next one!
@@CityPlannerPlays While you are at it, remove the Pyrotechnic route. You started it as an express shuttle before metro was run out to Sterling Estates. The metro does the exact same job and the shuttle uses the exact same stops as the metro. It's a duplicate service that the metro does better.
You are over producing basic lumber by 3-4 fold. That's why the lumber storages are full and all their trucks are doing exports. Processor buildings don't send a truck out, they only send a buy call out and thus lumber storage would do the delivery, or the lumber producer. But since they don't have any free trucks,. they can't deliver. You need to match the produced lumber to demanded lumber on industry area screen and that makes it work in balance.
Or add several more storage buildings to have more trucks available to continue exporting raw lumber. Think the best solution would be consuming and producing more of that lumber for more money to export finished goods.
I literally had this problem last night and for the love of me couldn't figure it out for like 2 hrs. Then that's what I realized is my trucks were in Timbuktu while my plants were screaming for supply. Added extra storage and set a couple of them to empty (just extra money as far as I could see) and voila all is right with the world. hahaha :)
Will get that fixed in 2 episodes. Good tip!!
So you mean to say making too much raw produce also make the processing buildings say not enough raw material?
@@alienamzal477 Yes. Because of how the supply chain works. Processors don't pick up anything, they only make a call to buy stuff and it gets delivered by the sellers truck. Now when there is significant over production happening, all trucks are busy exporting and none can supply the processor. Hence they are out of material.
The yellow route in the old neighborhood is actually two different routes with very similar colors!! That's why it was being weird lol
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With airports announced as the latest DLC, is there any plan's for an upgrade to Mulligan international/cargo?
Absolutely! REALLY looking forward to that build!!
What I'm doing in my cities: Same colour scheme and numbers for busses that serve certain purposes. For example:
Exclusive downtown busses:
100 - Downtown Line 1
200 - Downtown Line 2
300 - Downtown Line 3
Downtown & Outskirt connecters
10 - Bus line connecting outskirts with the downtown 1
20 - Bus line connecting outskirts with the downtown 2
30 - Bus line connecting outskirts with the downtown 3
Busses that are inner-city busses but don't run the downtown:
1 - Bus that runs from suburb X to suburb X
2 - Bus that runs from suburb X to suburb X
3 - Bus that runs from suburb X to suburb X
That makes it easier in the game but also makes it easier for people living in a city to know: "Ok this is a two digit number that goes downtown!"
I love your system. I love it so much, someone should suggest to the developers to add a "route number" field to all transit.
That's a really good idea. I think I'm going to start using that because I always draw blanks thinking of colors and names for my transit lines.
@@e4envy303 exactly, in my main build I have all busses in red because I have never seen a city with busses that are different colors if they are part of the the city’s transit company
A challenge would be whether the route should be renumbered if it's changed in the future, which would cause confusion, or if it shouldn't, breaking the numbering rule system. E.g. in Singapore buses that operate out of _Yishun_ town/suburb mostly start with 8 while those that run out of Woodlands begin with 9. 858 originally ran between _Yishun_ - Woodlands but when it was extended from the former to Changi Airport, it kept its original number. So now you have an anomaly of a bus service starting with an '8' running out of Woodlands instead of _Yishun_ .
I just go for the rainbow gradient to make it pretty and neat. Going 1 to whatever and assign it a rainbow from red to red. If I have more lines, I repeat the pattern with pastel or darker versions or in gray scale. The menu for buses looks gorgeous and the lines are easily separated for me. xD
But realistically your system is what I have seen in my areas. And it is a logical thing to have. Have specific numbers locked to specific areas of the city and have number of digits relate to the distance from the city centre.
Like in my city every neighbourhood has different number assigned from 1-9, with second digits being assigned in order of when the line was added and everything outside the city/between other cities has third digit in front that signifies the direction and which major close city it connects to).
Numbers already given never ever repeat, which isn't an issue, cause its hard to have more than 100 different lines in medium sized European city.
For example in my neighbourhood there was before the main bus with number 5, but when they extended the line to other neighbourhood, but kept the same road (with additional stops through the city) - they changed it into 35L and 35S (based on direction in which specific bus was going - going from city centre to L neighbourhood then S neighbourhood or other way around).
When you create your lines, make sure the starting direction is on the right side of the road, or it will cross road and junctions. Unless you do it on purpose for some reason to me unclear 🤭 lines are always crossing making loops and weird shapes, and extending the length for no reason. 🤗
Just a quick tip for you and anybody else struggling to hit the correct budgets for the amount of vehicles: mouse wheel up or down while hovering over the bar increases or decreases by 1%. So you can maximise efficiency!
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So, your forestry industry problem with goods not getting where they need to be even though plenty are available is a known vanilla issue.
Biffa talked about it in many of his city builds, explaining why he uses a mod for it.
So in vanilla, when a building needs goods it sends out a notification to ALL buildings that have these goods available and want to sell them. One of them will reply and send those goods over, the problem is that the delivery can come from anywhere. It could be from a nearby warehouse or producing facility, it could be from a freight railway station, cargo harbor or cargo airport that's importing from a different city, it could be from a warehouse or producing facility all the way on the other side of your city.
The game does not take distance/travel time into account in vanilla. Each distributing facility has a finite amount of trucks to send goods across the city so really any long trip made is a downside. The larger your city, the more things start to snowball out of control so inevitably there comes a point that long trips gain critical mass, which causes huge delays and shortages where there should be none.
The mod that Biffa uses fixes this by sending out the order to the nearest distributing facility first. This creates shorter trips which means trucks return sooner to be able to send out again to deal with the next order.
Long story short, in vanilla the game is working as intended and there's little to nothing you can do to fix the core issue.
However, a few episodes back I commented about the cargo station in the redevelopped area not having a bypass track for any trains not wanting to go through that cargo station.
The bridge over the river going to that cargo station is a real bottleneck and that station is the cork preventing cargo from going where it needs to be.
You didn't notice it back then because on the other end of that cargo station the railway goes underground and all trains where waiting underground. It was hard to miss because you didn't stay in the underground view for long, but us viewers have the luxury to pause and rewind the video and I did catch the cargo train blockage.
Fixing it might not completely solve the issue with not enough goods in your forestry industry, but that blockage definatly isn't helping things.
Hi CPP, i'm a fan directly from Brazil. Have u ever considered to create a resort/spa in the mountains? You could even use the route to deep space radar. Sorry for my poor english. Great video!
Great idea! Let me give that some thought, but I love the idea! And you're English is a bunch better than my Portuguese - no need to apologize, I think it's perfect! 😀. Thanks for watching!!
Well, another one here. 😁
Just gave youtube a quick refresh and was instantly delighted to see an upload of Verde Beach, time to get the kettle on and grab some biscuits.
Yes! Busses! The power of bus transit has for some reason been the bane of my cities skylines existence.
It's more regular traffic but also gets cars off the road, but also if they break or something it's done just right then backups can occur? The give and take!
Thank you for this!
50:00 Wouldn't it make more sense to have the express line stop at the train station and the two east-west lines stop on separate platforms at the metro plaza? It would avoid the backup issue with the two trains stopping onto the same side of the station and remove those turns from the express line.
My thoughts exactly. The orange and yellow lines split around the veterans park.
Have the orange line bypass the stops between the airport and the train station. Cut the yellow line East before the airport turn
Orange becomes an airport Express
Yellow becomes the coastal line
Or make a new tunnel for orange to be an Express between the airport and the train
Keep yellow's stop at the airport; add yellow stops at veteran's Park (replacing the defunct orange stops)
Yellow is on the airport's NW-SE platform; orange is on the SW-NE platform. Switch the platforms and build the new direct tunnel off the NW-SE platform
Right now orange and yellow are doing a lot of the same stops; only Yellow is bypassing a couple stops by the veteran's Park.
I was thinking the same. I could see a bunch of yellow metros stuck around the central train station. I don't think that line is express enough
Yes - I'll get that fixed!
The problem with your Lumber Company is that all the trucks for both the storage and the tree plantations are occupied going to either deliver to cargo station (or other industry buildings). So the ones you have right next to them don't have an available truck that can deliver the raw forestry product since the trucks for the factory buildings don't get raw material, they only deliver the processed material to either storage if there is space otherwise they will export it through a cargo terminal. To find the problem it is helpful to watch the routes of the trucks for the buildings that aren't working and solutions is:
1. Have a cargo terminal closer to the lumber company
2. Add more storage building since they have a larger number of trucks compare to production building and can act as a buffer since it looks like you're producing too much raw product compare to processed
3. Balance production/processing buildings since you are overproducing raw material at the moment
Also if you have the storage to empty they will just export more which will give an opposite effect to what you wanted.
Anyway, great series, I am enjoying it very much! I love the way you connect reality into this game!
im so glad to see you being sponsored!!!! ive been watching your channel since you began verde beach and it makes me so happy to see how your channel and community grew. you really deserve it and i love your content!
The issue with the orange line between the Aeroport and the Central Station is that the yellow and the orange lines share the same track. The orange line already has a very high amount of vehicles (bc it's a very big line), but the yellow line is causing it to back up even more. Also, the yellow line is now also being made less efficient bc its getting stuck behind the orange line vehicles;
It would be more efficient to put the lines on separate tracks.
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I know its an accent thing (I'm British) but I honestly just thought you referred to 'The Good Ol' Institute for Conservation'.
I think I have the solution for your metro station with two lines ending on the same platform. Because each line ends at that station, you stop on the same side. To fix this problem, when make your metro line, have one “end” there and have the other line “begin” there. If I’m I’m not mistaken, this will have one line automatically stop on the other platform.
I’m not 100% sure about this because it only happened once in my game and I never bothered to test it again.
Yes that's true. Don't know why the game won't let you just switch the side or the orientation of the line so just choose the line that is easier and do it again in the opposite direction and delete the old one.
The starting and end points of a line will always be on the right side according to the direction of the line. So having one line start and another line end at the same station, they're going to be at the same side. They both have to start from that station in opposing directions.
I wonder why those had to be separate lines in the first place. I know there is this trend in public transport planning to break some lines in the middle which as a passenger I always found annoying.
@@ArturdeSousaRocha It wouldn't have to be separate lines in reality because there you could control the frequency of the metro trains. In the game, you end up with a line that's 20km long, having 20 metro trains and could still have 10km where there is absolutely no train available because they're all bunched up
@@TheTaxxor Makes sense.
@@TheTaxxor Which explains why there are always lines which end at what in real life would only be an intermediate station. That bug - or feature - of the game is why I see so many CS players create metro lines that terminate at an ordinary station which I find maddening!
I love designing transit and bicycle facilities in game. My current build has some crazy ridership with my busiest metro line averaging 3000 boarding/deboardings every 10 minutes and roughly 13,000-16,000 passengers during rush hour (real-time/realistic population mods). Even with 45 vehicles that can carry 480 passengers, I get overwhelmed vehicles at the busiest stops, but luckily I checked and it looks like I have vehicles arriving every 3 minutes.
I'm hoping to share it with you for a city review here in a month or two.
I think the issue with the lumber industry is that all the cargo trucks are in use importing/exporting lumber from/to far away. This means they can't do the short trips to drop off raw products at the processors. If you check the industry area and it says you export a large amount of your produced lumber, that is most likely the issue.
For the Airport/Sunset E/W lines, you'll need to flip one line's starting and turnaround points so that they use different platforms at central station instead of the same one (and thus the excessive queuing)
It'd be interesting to see you make a Verde Beach quarry somewhere and just start taking soil from there. But maybe build up a small town of services around the quarry, since you can't necessarily make one that people will actually work at, haha.
Would be great to get a passanger rail episode to directly connect up some of the longer distance routes
51:30
One thing I have noticed when adding metro lines is that
They start from and end on the right side (whichever you choose to be your driving side for the city)
Allow me to explain
At the central station,
the east line (airport to central), you drew that line starting at the airport and ending at central, it is on the north side of the station (right side platform from the line's point of view).
the west line, you started the line from central station, therefore it started from its right side (again being north) so they are at the same platform.
Try creating the line from a different station on the west side and then approaching central.
That should solve the problem of the lines taking up the same platform, and indirectly bunching of the trains
Edit: Corrected time stamp
Did that at the Pyrotechnics before this episode and was surprised that this wasn't the solution he's taken now^^ Still deleted that station and did it like in the video because of the additional Metro track that will most likey be important in the future.
And it's also nice to see all these people coming out of one station and immediately going to the other one^^
Again I have to say that CPP is the only channel which I watch sponsored content because no other Content Creator have such creativity.
Sometimes transit (bus and metro) can be annoying in this game. What I think is that it would be great to have more control on routes buses go just like Transport Fever 2 Which has some sort of waypoints you can put and buses or trucks will go that way. And again like Transport Fever 2 it would be great to be able to choose platforms on train stations (in this case metro).
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Both of your metrolines that start at teh airport go along the coast. Maybe one of those could go more inland to make new connections with the trans and busses there. That change would give people at the airport more options and would take the pressure away from the coastal lines
for airport - sunset, the problem isn't the line itself, it's the tunnels : 2 heavy use lines share the same tunnels and some stops, so they slow each other down (i'm talking about the express yellow line)
you could try to seperate those two by building symmetric stops + tunnels for the yellow line, to let the orange airport - sunset alone
also, it would be legit for an express line. of course, you could also put the yellow express line on the beach road. it would be.. the tourist express \o/
I think that a passenger rail connection to the airport would make a ton of sense. It is much higher capacity and is perfectly realistic. In my local city of Philadelphia regional rail is integral to the transit network and includes a connection to the airport, where the subway does not connect.
Direct tourist buses from airport to the most atractive tourist-places (two stops only on each line like this: stop 1 airport - stop 2 hotells )
btw.. this was a really good episode, one of my favorite things to do in this game is to create public transit network 😀😀
Gee whiz, I reckon you could almost do a full restructure of the metro service throughout the city, and really maximise the stations in the big metro hub by the train station in the city. Really keen to see how that could impact and improve the metro ridership.
Thanks for all you've done this year Phil! Have a safe and happy Christmas and new year, enjoy your family time. Look forward to seeing more Verde Beach, CWC, and Tutoria next year!
The rule of thumb for head on colliding metro lines in the same station, put tthe lines on the right (on the side from which they leave the station, they will leave faster), that's what the French rail guys call the "Zero maneuver" because it requires NO maneuver to leave the station since you are already on the right track. Paris metro or other lines mostly use it on weekends when traffic is lower.
So here, Red Line is on the good side, change Pink Line to the other side.
Of course if you chose the left hand driving when starting your city, do the opposite.
Press Shift to designate the other platform than the default one (or another plaform of a big multiplatform station) to a line.
Also there seems to be an express line for the airport (in yellow), the two tunnel merge shortly after the last station before the airport, you should condider separate the two routes completely if you can afford it.
Then, the 4 tracks station near the Central station has three lines and the main line (orange) has to get through traffic from the other lines and the green line should have its own station to not mess up with traffic from the two other lines.
Plus the line is crowded because you need to increase the network density by building other lines that sometimes intersect with the main one.
Using Roads with transit Lanes would be beneficial I think (at the new collector), also it's unrealistic to make a level-crossing with metro tracs, since a metro is a very high-frequency train, that runs very often
You're right that it's not preferable, but there are actual cities where the metro does have level crossing with streets, such as Chicago. See for example the first part of this video ua-cam.com/video/6bU5n93Jp1k/v-deo.html
@@ran4sh Yes older metros tend to have level crossings but modern built systems are almost always fully grade separated.
Lmao, this episode really drove home how funny the image of a bus with just 30 people in it going “sorry, full.” We have articulated busses on some popular/long routes, but I’ve rarely rode them. Probably only 30 seats, but you can easily pack twice that many people in if half of them stand, and most consider standing next to a stranger a preferable alternative to staying out in the cold Boston air or being late to work and waiting for the next bus.
Also, we have so many bus routes that they are neither named, nor given a color. They’re numbered! So by comparison, VB is doing okay on that metric!
I've always found public transport, especially the bus lines, and keeping track of them after you've expanded, to be quite tedious in the game, but I'm glad you find it important to do. I'm sure the city you work at is all the better for it! :-) Happy holidays to you and your family, Phil. And the whole Verde Beach community as well, as apparently they're having a white Christmas! ;-)
Agreed. My solution was to use buses only for neighborhoods or small groups of land use. They are closed loops. They will have 1 (or 2 depending on geography) transfer spot to a "shuttle" line. This shuttle line is another bus line to start, but later becomes a metro line. This way, I only have to keep track of my shuttle lines throughout the game, knowing my neighborhood lines are always correct. Of course, this assumes I don't come back and redesign an entire neighborhood such as he did with the lumberyard's move.
When you were tallking about needing Soil and getting rid of that hill, reminded me of a story from a few years back. Dude in nearby countryside had been wanting to get rid of this hill on his property for like, a decade or something, but he couldn't for some reason I can't recall, After around 10 years, we get a flood in the area that due to the Ice floes, ruined some of the burms, and the city is desperate to get fill to reinforce them.
In strode this dude, who 'graciously offered' to sell them the tons of fill in the form of the hill on his property.
Dude made a tidy little sum from it iirc too, as well as finally getting rid of that hill from his property.
Hi ... just a few remarks and ideas ...
51:56 I prefer moving the orange line to the metro plaza (which you later undo) - 1. it eliminated any crossing of the yellow express line's trains in the opposite direction, something that does happen if you branch out to the central station's metro platform; having the local line terminate in the middle is a cleaner solution. 2. the local metro is much more overcrowded than the express metro: I think this is an effect of the pedestrian / transit user routing algorithm which sometimes seems to be unbalanced - people prefer the slower metro if the path to the platform is a few meters shorter. Having both stop at Metro Plaza should create equal path lengths and shift local metro users over to the express metro.
19:07 If the river crossing is the most popular section of the pink route that forces you to increase the amount of vehicles why not extend the dark red line, too, to also cross the river - but in a different angle that reaches areas the pink line cannot reach.
25:59 These metro end stations with multiple bus bays exist in reality and usually bus networks connected to it have a pattern: a bunch of bus lines running parallel like a blueprint for the expansion of the metro line that was somehow not warranted - and after a while these bus lines branch out in different directions. This way you can continue the metro attractiveness for a few miles.
11:13 The 46km bus route - well, there would be other metro stations on the way to connect to and have a shorter route ...
45:57 The pedestrian patterns leading up to the overcrowded bus stop almost have a crescent shape - and this shape could basically describe the form of a new loop line via the train/metro hub. Create a rival directly attacking the overcrowded parts of the South Shuttle line. Bus stops might be placed a little bit closer to pick people up right at their door step.
Hi City Planner Plays!
On your metrorail fixes this and next episode:
1) Pyrotechnical Institute Station: I had expected you to merge the Red and Pink Lines but your replacement with a new cross and bus terminal station was a stroke of genius! (Because of the Sunset - Airport Line congestion before you did the split)
2) Sunset - Airport Lines bunching up at Central Station: others have made suggestions for a fix to the situation where you have both lines load from the same (north) platform. I would redraw the East Line out to the Airport beginning at Central Station so that its trains board at the opposite (south) platform.
3) Metro Plaza: the platforms roughly oriented east-west are ideal for express and local lines going out to the airport. There's so much traffic here, you need a New York City level of service for that corridor, with separate express and local tunnels!
4) 51:29 It seems this station should have the express trains (Yellow Line) stop on the central tracks and the local trains (Sunset - Airport East Line & eastern Green Line) stop on the outside tracks. Then you can run the local trains run into the city in the original tunnel with one line ending at Central Station and the other line ending at Metro Plaza, and the express trains in its own tunnel to Metro Plaza.
5) Sterling Heights Southside: perhaps a new metrorail would be in order, but you'll need high density zoning, such as rezoning the lots facing the collector road (avenue) for apartments and maybe put in a T.O.D. at the junction of the two avenues. 😏 Oh, I'm sure Karen's not going to like that! 😁😉
25:54. This is my biggest pet peeve of the game. Path finding forced the vehicle to get to the side of the road the facility is on instead of... turning left into the facility
Agreed. The game is so dumb with regards to traffic.
i think your best bet to dealing w/ airport wonkieness might be to make a new metro connection for the yellow express line and have it separate out and send it on its own beach side of the veteran's memorial and reconnect at the bypass station. as is, it looks like there's too many trains for the tracks to handle
You could add express variants of some bus services on heavy demand routes and heavy utilised metro lines as backup. Some town circulators/feeders could be used at Lewis Garden City, Historic District and the city.
Imma make a suggestion that where the subway intersects with the road near the lumber area; the road should be a bridge because it would not make sense that a subway would have at-grade crossing
One of the things about transfers in public transit is as an over 25 year user of public transit I found in 4 different cites each transfer added from 15-45 minutes ( not predictable a random increase in time changing per day ) to my one way trip time and is a major part of the reason I now use an ICE vehicle instead of public transit ( no non transfer way to work )
That Nord VPN commercial was actually enjoyable to watch, taking a page out of Internet Historian. Loving Verde Beach!
I'm waiting for Biffa to lend Hugo There to City Planner so that Hugo can spend some time in Verde' Beach and be the star 🌟 in yet another Nord VPN advertisement!
In my experience, metro works MUCH better if you set it up in loops that come close to each other to provide transfer points. Linear metro lines just tend to cause the trains to get in each other's way, loops keep them moving. Game mechanics and whatnot. Thanks for the videos man!
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“Lots of bus stuff” would make a great t-shirt. 🤣
The thing with metro platform selection is that it will always try to use the platform that is correct for the main direction of travel. With cars driving on the right hand side of the road, that means that the metro will always try to use the right hand side platform when you create the line. Where this really makes a difference are at the endpoint metro stations. So where you have one station with two lines approaching it from opposite sides, you should create your line starting at a point away from that endpoint, connect into it and then reverse back to have the game select opposite platforms for those opposing direction line end points. It's kind of hard to describe, but you can see it happen with a little experimentation.
@38:05 Nothing is broken, you just haven't anywhere near enough storage facilities (i.e. available trucks) for the amount of raw materials you are producing. Notice how that log yard has all 20 of its trucks in use? It can't shift over any logs over to the processors because there are no trucks available (they are all busy doing other things - like exporting stuff out of the city). My rule of thumb is one storage per extractor; you have nowhere near that many. More log yards means more trucks available; even if some are used to import/export stuff, there will be some left over to move logs to where you actually want them to go - which is to the processors.
The Nord VPN sponsorship section in these videos makes me laugh every single time, good job mate!
Lewis Lumber is broken down logistically because your Large Log Yards are being flooded with raw materials. While setting them to balanced is correct, the flooding causes all the trucks to be stuck in use exporting raw forest products out of the city to try and get the stores back down to 50%. Above 50%, the game will not reliably move materials into your mills, it will prioritize exports which means that truck is out of service until it leaves the city and comes back (or makes it to a Cargo Train terminal, etc but leaving the city is often more likely and takes the longest). Trucks that are exporting cannot be used to fulfill orders from your mills, meaning the mills in turn import from outside the city instead of using your warehouses. Setting these to Full or Empty would create even more issues btw. At Full your tree farm plots would have to export directly which causes breakdowns, and at empty your warehouses would literally never keep up via Truck count while also starving your mills.
There's two things you need to do to fix this. First, build a lot more Large Log Yards (You'll likely need between 8 and 12 total for now) so that you get more trucks to export with, meaning you stand a chance of keeping each individual Large Log Yard at 50%. Second, you probably need to increase your mill count to consume more of the Raw Forestry Products locally. This second part will only start to work once you expand the Large Log Yards though. You always need to keep an eye on how many trucks are in use from each stage of production. If it hits near 100% truck usage, things will break down. You may even want to consider reducing your Raw Forestry Product production facilities in conjunction with increasing the storage to help it even out. It really don't take much raw production to sustain a lot of mills.
My favorite episodes are always transit episodes
The sudden surge of patriotism from learning that City Planner Plays watches Great British Bake Off 🇬🇧
I love the helicopter that punctuates the word "Patterns" @1:22
This was a great dive into transit. One suggestion: With the new bus terminal it forces all pedestrian traffic to cross a street (or two) to get into the commercial/office areas. I think a pedestrian bridge crossing one or both of the streets at that intersection might be a good idea. Thank YOU for the work you put out for us to enjoy. Can't wait to see what happens in 2022!
I have learned so much from watching you. Thank you for all the great information you give us. I could listen to you talk about city planning all day
You could achieve two metro end-of-line stations to stop on opposite platforms if you first extend one of the lines one stop further, then create only one stop at the previous station on the precise platform you want to use in the end, and finally remove the extended end-of-line stop you created previously. In that way the metro line will shorten, with the end-of-line stop being exactly on the platform you wanted (opposite from the end-of-line station of the other line).
I think your problem with Myrtle Fields/Lewis Lumber Company is that you have storage yards and processing buildings on a one-way road. the game tends to not like that very much for some reason unless you favour the natural loading/unloading direction.
The problem is that raw storages are full, all trucks are in use and there are no trucks left to supply processing factories
I have a tip for you with the soil issues, most cities will have a quarry somewhere for gravel/soil/substrate. Perhaps you could build a quarry site in the hills and build some lore/history about it.
Railroad next?
With the track trough the city now only carrying passenger trains and all the stations converted to these express stations, I really don't see the need for that additional track that's only going from central station to Lewis Garden City, which in my case is used by ~10 people per train.
You could bring the main track to all of these stations and allow for intercity traffic.
Now that you have the new metro bus hub at the Pyrotechnic it would be interesting to turn the old Main Street tram into a monorail extension that goes across the bridge as another transfer option.
The problem with the Sterling Estates bus is that it will always be packed from the school. Because for whatever reason in this game, children will travel cross town to go to school. Extending the metro line is probably your best bet. Gotta fight unrealistic stuff with unrealistic stuff. But also it'd be for the children. If only commuter destinations was vanilla...
I never see Biffa run out of soil while Terra Forming on this Vanilla playthrough where he says he uses NO MODS, I even commented one day asking if he was using the "unlimited soil mod" and he replied and said "No" lol 😆
Those big bus terminals tend to have just one way into them and they don't allow left turns into or out of them. I've also found the buses tend to move faster on their lines if they have fewer 90-degree turns; keep them going as straight as possible for as long as possible.
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One of your I-10 pink lines has a stop immediately outside the transfer facility, rather than inside the transfer facility itself.
You're central metro stations are also not making effective use of the available stations, you have 3 stations all emptying into a single line. 1 Station that has two lines running stopping on it, and another station that is not used at all.
Verde Beach never stop growing :)
Thanks as always, cheers!
PS: for Phil's editor, your doing great job, thanks to you too :-)
I liked the NordVPN intro. LOL. It started off like a vacation spot. I was ready to buy a timeshare in Verde Beach. 😁
Maybe adding a few taxi stops could be a solution for the sterling states. You would expect a higher utilization of taxi in a neighborhood like that one.
I am test positive on Covid and just watching one episode of yours then another one and another one and now i am at ep 63. Please keep up the good wor.
"Give the engineers more power." I couldn't agree more. 😀
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That helicopter actually made me jump in my seat!
it looks like that one bus stop is right at the only point where an entire suburb has pedestrian access to the bus line. if you add more pedestrian connection to your bus stops, you'll get more spreading of passengers
Maybe a tram extension to the bus terminal would be a good idea, capacity is 90 vs 30
In Sterling heights*
At this point it might be worth splitting the metro stations coming out of the airport to go to different parts of the city instead of essentially following the same track through the central city.
In 50:14 you are re-making the mistake, why the first metro lines you discussed were backlogging (at 4:17) : Where there are two metro lines using the same metro station, you place their end stops on the same side of the tracks. Thus they cannot occupy that stop simultaneously. This is best visible at 50:31. However, there is the other side of the tracks, that is fully unused. Place the other line ending on the other side, so that the dots are beside each other - allowing both metro trains to enter that same station simultaneously. It may take some wiggling to get the 2nd line dot be placed oth other side, but it certainly can be done.
Maybe you could have extended the tram line at Sterling Heights to go past the busy stop to buss / metro station?
It appears that the problem with the Orange Airport metro line is that it's getting tangled up with the Yellow Airport Express metro line. Perhaps it's time to do a complete separation of the tracks, even if in reality it would be impractical. Unless some wealthy benefactor named Melon Husk wanted to demonstrate his tunnel boring machine in Verde Beach, and do so cheaply. Also, unless I am mistaken, there's a platform in the super Metro hub across from the central station which is not being used. That might be a missed opportunity to help clean up the issues on the Orange metro line.
Thanks for the always enjoyable and informative videos, Phil! Have a happy holiday season and stay healthy!
I think you were battling with two separate bus lines at Buzzsaw landing, because when you hovered over the line there was another yellow line there that wasnt glowing
I love listening to your intro to these videos, the “hello” is so calming. Hope you have a good day!
Christmas comes early with a transit episode 😍 love love love!
Have you thought about extending the south sterlin heights tram to run across the collector up to the metro/bus station? I think it would fit the neighborhood and make it unique by not relying on busses as much.
Also I think there should be a bit of a bigger focus on bike paths, for example between the new bus/metro hub near the pyrotechnic to the actual campus, as the campus is already built for biking.
Happy holidays to you as well! Thanks for all the great content! Really admire that you're able to put out consistenly good content on a regular basis, with several varied series: the Ultimate Beginners Guide, Verde beach, City Tips, Clearwater County... Again, thanks for the great content!
Finally all caught up on this series, love it. Lots of knowledge and great looking city. Can't wait for the next episode on Tutoria and now on to watch Clearwater :D
A thought- Maybe you should rename the Verde Beach Express to the “Fireloo & City Line” because in London there is the Waterloo & City line which makes sense because it rains there most of the time but change it to fit in VB because there’s at least one fire going on in the city at any given time. Also, the Waterloo & City line is an express service between just 2 stations in central London. Just an idea.
Also you could call the central station “Fireloo” too!
@@dylanproctor2520 only Central Station is right in the city! It's like Bank Station on your '"Tube".
Not sure if you realise that you could simply have changed the red metro route so that it didn't start at the Pyrotechnic... That's why the line started on that side. Deleting the red line and redrawing it from a different station would have put the red line on the other side of the station. The interchange works very nicely of course (I just wish they'd put an internal connector between the metro platforms in the asset). And then at the other end you've taken out the city end of the airport line and replaced it with a new short line and repeated the same mistake: you've started the line at the wrong end and thus the two lines are vying for the same platform. Easy fix, just start from the other end with the new line. BIG improvement in the utilisation numbers at the end! And if youi're going to revamp the whole beach area metro then the temporary thing doesn't matter much anyway.
Another year almost done, wow! Have a great whatever with whomever CP, been a blast! (literally in the case of your previous PC too...) o7
Have you thought about having an epxress route from the airport to downtown? In London we have the Heathrow & Gatwick express which are trains that are direct from the airport to central stations within London, they charge a premium compared to metro connecitons or local trains into the center of London. Or a more significant option is to have a transfer metro terminal in the north of the city, would mean that you have a new centre to buiild out from?
At 27:15, if you route the magenta line centrally through Myrtle Park, your cims will walk to the stops along it and you can eliminate the white line.
Some bike lanes at the new hub connecting to the other bike lane roads might be worth it.
Thanks for a great year of videos Phil! Thanks to you, I fell in love with a new game and have spent countless hours absorbing content from multiple creators! Happy holidays to you and your loved ones, may 2022 be a better year for us all!
Loving the Miami Vice / GTA / Scarface Vibes.
You have a tram system nearby. Remember each tram hold 90 passengers and people love them.
12:00 it would be a shuttle route I would say. University would request it, but it would be for students and university workers mostly. My university was a bit outside of the city and there was no proper public transit to it. They have added a route from the nearest metro to the university, it was open to the public but only students were using it. I doubt it was making any profit
Doesn't need to make a profit in this case since uni students are most likely not to have a car or be able to afford the transit, you lower the barrier to entry to higher education and those people once they get a job will end up paying higher taxes to subsidize the system; a small cost with quite large payoffs.
23:50 Box trucks are commercial delivery vehicles and aren't considered "heavy traffic".
With the metro lines being at 500% vehicles you could increase the budget which would allow for more vehicles, if things don't balance out.
Both the yellow and orange line share one track from the airport and intersect close to trainstation. The yellow line goes down and the orange line goes straight to CS. when they leave they intersect again, yellow from below and orange. Its not lumpy and bumpy as you say with terrain issues, it is hockety pockety... I think that is a reason why it builds up so much. Too many intersections to close to each other
4:20 you can separate the lines without a mod. The side the stop is placed on is determined by the direction you are moving in when placing it. You could delete the red stop and drag it from the preceding stop.
At about 17 minutes, when you were having trouble with the grading around the train tracks, I thought you'd use the terrain to make a nice lil bridge over the tracks, if possible that might be a good move considering how busy that station looks. Love your channel and others like it though, sparked my love for the game big time so thank you(:
To avoid 2 metro lines sharing the same platform when both are just ending at a station you need to delete one of the lines snd start it from the other end so it finishes in the other platform. (just select and copy the name before deleting)
So if you start a line and pull to a certein direction it will follow that side of the tracks and end in that side of the platform, changing only on the return trip, but merging back to the original platform.