Top 10 Reasons Why Dune (1984) is Hated
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
- For he IS the Kwisatz Haderach! For this list, we’ll be looking at why many fans loathe David Lynch's 1984 film adaptation of Frank Herbert’s “Dune”. Our countdown includes changes to the source material, the unbearable internal voice-overs, the plot holes, and more! Do you LIKE the 1984 version of “Dune”? Let us know in the comments below!
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What do you think of Dune 1984? Are you excited for the upcoming movie adaptation?
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My favorite movie.
I LOVE THE 2020 VERSION BETTER!
It's not hated at all and if you get the EXTENDED version of the movie a lot of the plot holes are explained. It was a great movie and still is!
@Jim tastic lol
Ever notice how Patrick Stewart stopped aging after the 80s
Lol
It's like his age is accelerated then suddenly halted.
of corse: he started assuming melange in Dune.
I’d rather people notice how hilarious he was on American Dad
Numinous123 Patrick Stewart looked like he was 70 back in 1984, and he still looks 70 today.
It is an extremely poor adaptation of the book, but a highly entertaining film nonetheless. I have a soft spot for it.
Me too.
Sums up my feelings precisely. “USUL HAS CALLED A BIG ONE! AGAIN, IT IS THE LEGEND!”
I feel the same way, I didn't read the book until after the movie came out. I just love the cheesiness of the movie. The sleeper has awakened!
I agree!
Its so bad that its good
David Lynch originally made a 4 hour movie (the material was so dense), and then the studio told him to cut in in half. That killed any flow Lynch was going for
That explains why the movie seems rushed after they meet the Fremen.
that's his fault for being deluded enough to think he could fit all of that book into one film
It's difficult to say if the film would've been significantly better without studio interference, but it was nevertheless unwelcome.
Regardless, a single 4-hour film was clearly out of the question, in terms of being commercially viable, so it would've been better to make 2x 2hrs films instead.
May that excluded footage be utilized someday in my lifetime...
@@LoLoKlang Spicediver fan edit, it's here on UA-cam in 4K upscale. 3 hours of brilliance.
I love the 1984 version. It’s weird, campy and filled with strange directorial choices
Love your comment 😂
I saw the 1984 version (which had Sting in it) and I didn't understand a single thing about it.
On the other hand, I saw the film "1984" in 1984 and it was oppressive, probably because it was meant to be.
Yeah this movie looks like a boring version of Dune
And good music.
@@dreadcthulhu5 epic music
Lack of action in the movie? Sorry, have you ever read the book? Dune is everything else but action. It's mostly dialog after dialog after dialog.
To be fair but I've read the book and personally I felt it did have a grand scope with the action set-pieces it did end up having, particularly in the second half which is ripe for an adaptation to make as epic in scale as possible.
Herbert may not write 100 page action sequences but he knows how to describe a scene and what takes place in it. Imagination went wild with a few of them which is why I'm glad to see the new Dune depict some of those action scenes in as grand a way as possible.
Watchmojo FORGOT TO TELL ( OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T MENTIONED) that the original 1984 Dune was conceived , adapted , writen and intended to be directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, a chilean surrealistic director; That design and storyboard was originally conceived by Moebius, H.R. Giger and Chris Foss; That Lynch was called to direct only to replace Jodorwsky, because of disagreements between studio and director; And That there's a documentary called " Jodorowsky's Dune" that tells the whole story of why such great ambicious adaptation was never done according to the original Jodorowsky's vision, but has influenced ALL sci fi productions made until nowadays....
@@a.c.8470 Yes I know the documentary. This could have been an awesome movie
if it was ever created. But I also understand why the project was never finished. :D
@@haydendutton6916 Don't understand me wrong. I really like the books. But if someone who doesn't know the books would expect an action story like e.g. star wars it could be a little bit disapointing.
see the remake please
10 reasons Watchmojo doesnt understand the 1984 movie
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@@CozyKG Are you defending watch mojo?
Do you own a mirror?
@@adamlee2550 Kurt Gabuya just followed the same mental arc that most Trump supporters do, according to research on the phenomenon.
See everyone criticising something for legitimate reasons, they decide to defend that criticised thing without understanding anything, just to be edgy, get shot down in flames, but their liking for Trump or watchmojos remains. It's because these people are fucking stupid and have been made to feel stupid by the rest of us since school, they need to own the clever ones somehow, like by defending the indefensible.
A lot of people don't understand good art. A lot of people said that the film have gain a classic cult following. So its up to viewer to like it or not.
I love the 1984 movie.... it did not have the special effects because they didn't exist back then. I love the costumes (especially Lady Jessica's), the internal monologues, the score, and the acting, even though Paul Atreides character is not played by a 16 year old boy. All of the dialogues are pretty much verbatim the way they are in the Dune book. I've watched it a million times.
I was a kid when I watched the movie, but it struck a cord with me. I love the prayer, "I must not fear. Fear is the mindkiller". I used it myself during times of stress to remind me that I need to keep my wits about me and not let fear rob me of my faculties. I later read the books, and while the movie and the books don't jive, there are still parts of the movie that I love, such as the box scene. Mohiam has a commanding voice and powerful presence on screen. The same scenes from the trailer for the new Dune don't quite live up to my expectations. So the 1984 version is flawed, but there's something I really enjoy about it.
I too use it
There are so many great lines from the movie, new films only have visuals but none of the story and heart of the old movie.
Having read "Dune" twice and, consider it one of my Top Ten novels of all time, I know that the 1984 "Dune" has many problems. But, I still love the film.
I just finished reading it for the first time. I'm 29 and have about 100 books both fiction and non fiction, on my shelves and I found Dune to be incredibly overrated. What about it puts it in your top 10?
What did you think of the 2021 remake?
Yes I agree that the film was good then it got chipped away from the theater from HBO and the regular TV 📺 with commercials there are some scenes missing from the theater and HBO when it aired. Not so much as to Patrick Stewart playing his space guitar but the value of water and respect for it that is missing, if anyone has a version of that I like to know we're to get it for my science fiction collection.
Well, I just watched the 1984 film after watching the 2021 remake which is indeed a master piece!
The 1984 starts OK and the film goes well during the first hour and twenty minutes. Then, it goes into this run of scene after scene that doesn't connect well and doesn't makes sense either. Say, in one scene Paul meets Chani, then they are making out in the next scene and declaring their eternal love to each other, Jessica meets the Fremen in one scene, then she is drinking the Water of Life in the next scene...
During the second half, the movie loses all the pace and acceptable construction that it had carried during the first half... I would definitely give it 2 and a half stars out of 5 and those 2.5 starts are because of the first part only!
I've read Dune a few dozen times over past 20 years, I still don't like it and I wouldn't admit that I read the book or recommend this book or film to anyone I know.
People "talk" about how much this film is hated but over the past 30 years I've not run into anyone that "hated" it. Even those who think the adaption isn't true.
If anything, I've ru and into people who couldn't understand it unless they had watched it multiple times
I remember being enthralled by this movie as a teenager.
Still love it on it's own merits.
I read the book after.
Enjoy them both,as seperate bodys of work.
I've yet to read a book and see a "faithfull adaptation"
We don't hate it. We just can't bear to watch even 10 min. of it... it's the ultimate cringe-fest of the 1980s.
Watched it today and that movie is ass.
No cap.
I read the series when I was 14, having randomly come across it on my grandfather's shelves, and was blown away. The movie was utterly disappointing to me. I guess LotR had set a high bar for movie adaptations, but I hated it so much I could barely finish watching it. So cringey. Pretty amped for the new movie, even though I fear it may be a lil too "action movie", I'm heartened by the casting of Chalemet as Paul.
The 3 hour Spicediver fan edit of Dune 1984 returns it to the status of masterpiece. The best version of Dune that exists.
oh yes, it even got official release this year - thats how good it is
Just watched the Spicediver edit (2022 version), its brilliant in that it builds a bigger universe and tells a more complete story, doesn't seem disjointed now.
@@kinetik68 Right? It's like David Lynch had a vision, crafted all the pieces, and it just needed someone to come along with the creative freedom to put it all together in a coherent manner free from studio meddling.
I'll have to check that out. Going to see Dune part 2 on imax tomorrow. I'm pretty pumped.
@@breelee4362Beware, the sword sounds are DEAFENING on IMAX for some reason.
12:15 As I recall, and it has been a while since I saw the 1984 version, Dr. Yueh had hidden the plans for the weirding modules with Paul and Jessica when they were going to be dumped in the dessert. I always supposed the Fremen were capable of building them from the plans.
I love the constant whispering and the internal monologues because when I watched it as a kid it was just so dreamy... It was like characters were constantly having a personal and intimate conversations with me.... It really is quite unforgettable and to me it made it a powerful movie, one of my favorites growing up
Exactly!!
Also those weird internal monologues are exactly as the book is written!
@@Lastielion But people don't whisper to themselves, they talk. When you think something to yourself, do you whisper? It's maddening and stupid.
Thank you for not joining the bandwagon bashing this film. It is far from perfect but it wasn't half bad
@@journeysands2622 It was terrible and set Dune back decades
Wait what? Dune (1984) is hated?! It's one of my favourite movies. And I love the book too.
There are significant number of people, who hate this film...
I can see why some like it, but to me it is an abomination
The movie is a complete and utter bore..
Even Lynch hates it.
I went to watch the movie after reading the book. I was not happy.
I think Also..its s masterpiece
My favorite movie of all time. I was mesmerized watching this as a kid. It's certainly easy to point out the flaws, but it's love to me.
The flaws the new movie didn't fix btw. It just added its own. At least we got a whole bunch of stars from the original. So was Sting a musician or an actor back then?
Yes, we are not alone!!!
I can recite the dialogue...
I feel exactly the same
So… you’ve seen, what… exactly one movie in your life?
Massive plot holes - Proceeds to show one plot hole that's actually not a plot hole.
I personally loved Dune 1984. No, it’s not perfect, but I enjoyed it.
Think it has a cult following of sorts 🙂
@@LucyLioness100 It *totally* has a 'Cult Following,’ lol!
I completely agree. It is a singular movie. Unfinished and a creative adaptation certainly, but every line delivered by the cast resonates, every scene throbs with unrealised power. It’s greatness will never be realised, but some of us seem able to recognise what it was trying to do.
Same.. But if you want a faithful adaptation of Dune, then "Frank Herbert's Dune" (The miniseries) is the way to go 😊 I love that adaptation...
👍
Despite being an avid fan of science fiction as a teenager; reading Clarke, Asimov, Harrison et al - it was this film adaptation that lead me to seek out the original books.
I absolutely adore this movie-- I appreciate the Lynchian flavor it has, which is a kind of camp- it perfectly rides the line of being the most bad-ass awesome off the charts sci-fi art and pure camp- a combination rarely ever seen executed with such prowess. It stands alone as a masterpiece because of this. And all the better that it isn’t constrained by mainstream stylistic influences (such as that narration taboo)- this just adds to its magic. I’ve heard so much that this film is hated, but like here in this thread, I see a whole lotta love. One of my favorite films of all time hands down
I couldn't disagree more with you on these 2 version comparisons...
Lynch's 1984 version is miles and miles and miles ahead of the art nouveau Villeneuve's version.. which is admittedly pretty but feels empty and unconvincing.
Dune isn't meant to be a story that's supposed to be portrayed in a subtle and delicate way... but outspokenly brutal and all encompassing mirroring the vast universe.
In the 1984 movie I feel in an far away galaxy... in Villeneuve's version I just feel on a remote movie set in Africa.
Its clearly a deeply flawed film but its also fascinating... the amazing set designs and the overall level of creepiness make it unique and almost mesmerizing at times
Watchmojo FORGOT TO TELL ( OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T MENTIONED) that the original 1984 Dune was conceived , adapted , writen and intended to be directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, a chilean surrealistic director; That design and storyboard was originally conceived by Moebius, H.R. Giger and Chris Foss; That Lynch was called to direct only to replace Jodorwsky, because of disagreements between studio and director; And That there's a documentary called " Jodorowsky's Dune" that tells the whole story of why such great ambicious adaptation was never done according to the original Jodorowsky's vision, but has influenced ALL sci fi productions made until nowadays.
Love the creepy stuff, too
I love the Lynch version of Dune. As a fan, I was just excited that he attempted to film the story. The book is amazing and cannot be filmed. But Lynch was a brave attempt. I look forward to the new film.
My parents showed me this film when I was 10, and after that I've read first 5 books of the series. I love the film, and I am truly disappointed they didn't continue to make more films. As for the critiques in this video, well:
1) #10 and #9 are basically the same - book is too long and film had to be condensed, thus diverting from source material. No crime in that. That's just commercialism.
2) #8: Internal monologues are actually great. It is what makes this film unique. Other films could use those too. It is a different way to tell a story. And it brings you closer to source material. I love it.
3) #7: well this is actually great too. It is a Sci-Fi film, not some action flick. It tells a story, it is suppose to emerge you in the world of Dune. It is not a Western. It is a tale spanning for generations. Film doesn't rely on action to tell the tale, and it does it great. There were a lot of action films back in the 80's, so you can watch those, if you want shooting and chasing. This film is about religion, politics, society, psychology, not explosions and car chases. It is like hating a comedy for being funny. Star Wars was a children's film. Dune was for grown ups.
4) #6: I really do not understand what is wrong here. Film is set in future. Distant future. Why should we expect everyone to walk and talk like 80's New Yorker? Especially since most characters are some sort of nobility. The way people behave is constantly changing, and it even varies from country to country, from town to town. I can not imagine why it should be wrong that characters in this film act like they do. Actors in 20's act differently than actors in 40's, than actors in 70's, than actors in 80's etc.
5) #5: same as #6. Fashion changes. People change. Even the book Dune explains that "Navigators" became distorted by the spice. Why can't the fashion be influenced by space? Why can't fashion be influenced by billions of other things, through space and time? Someone was reading the book, and envisioned the costumes different from what was depicted in the film, so they complained? Let them make their own version of film.
6) #4: OK, this might have been a bad idea, but again, it should go with #10 and #9. It is diverting from source material.
7) #3: Rain is not in the book, but then again, it might just be local, or temporary. If Paul can kill with his voice, why couldn't he summon the rain? It is a bit strange, but it adds to the climax.
8) #2: message is Middle East. Spice is oil, Fremen are Arabs, Dune i Middle East. It is just an allegory of our world dominated by religion and oil, but taken to some new dimension.
9) #1: yes, there are plot holes, but that just made me read the book. So it is good. And voice modules are made according to plans Paul finds in Harkonen ship, when they crash.
I absolutely LOVE this version. The Sci fi channel version was subpar and the new one I have not formed a full opinion on, since its still in process.
Princess Irulan's commentary isn't internal monologue, it's narration: She's reading from her own writing on the history of the universe and the emergence of Muad'dib.
Yeah but it just didn't work
@@drakashrakenburgproduction5369 I think her narration works better than the internal monologues!
Watch syfy channel’s Dune mini series. Irulan’s narrations works much better there. The production value was low, costume design was hokey, but the source material is there and the acting is good. Still the best attempt so far.
Hope Ana De Armas plays her In Part 2 of the second half the book for villeneuve version
People just don't want to go deep. They like Bright and Shiny distractions. Love Lynch's Dune!
I was disappointed by Dune at release in '84 because it wasn't what I expected but I have grown to absolutely love this film. The casting of Siân Phillips as the Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam, Brian Eno's score, and yes, the haunting voiceovers make this one of my favorite movies of all time.
brian eno did the main theme, toto scored
Siam Phillips was totally wonderful. Also a perfect Ann Smiley. “Everyone’s love to Ann.”
@@jeffyp2483 Brian did the prophecy theme, not the main theme. The rest is Toto.
@@happiness1772 yes! thanks for the correction.🤘
Yes, Sian Phillips is remarkable in this role - immense gravitas, supreme
I enjoyed, and continue to enjoy the 1984 version - both standard and extended, but I also like the new 2021 release - even if it is only part 1, since part 2 is now confirmed. Jodorowsky's Dune is also a great look into the world of Frank Herbert, and THAT one would have probably blown all others away.
Nah, Jodorowsky's version looks like it would be VERY vs the source material 👎
I don’t know why everyone hates Dune 1984, I think it was one of the best sci-fi movies ever. I loved everything about it-the acting and the score is amazing.
I'm pretty sure they don't. Its just watch mojo trying to trigger those who love it.
They don't. Dune is generally accepted for what it does successfully and for where it fails. Watch Mojo is garbage media and revels in it.
The novel is one of the greatest SciFi books ever written. Lynch’s film changes the story so much it should have also changed the title. Calling it Dune is grossly misleading.
@@iamthesayyadina That is a fair point, I never read the book to be honest but did enjoy the film. Normally if a film is good I am temped to read the book. Normally if I read a book before watching a film then the film is a bit of a let down. I my seek out the book on your recommendation.
For such a "hated" movie there is a torrent of favorable comments here and on IMDB, while it's not perfect ( nothing is) it resonates with me and others.
its purely click bait..and look over there 10 top reasons why dune 2020 will be the best sci fi movie ever..i think someone is getting paided...hmmm
Never saw the film but based upon these clips, it looks awful.
Sounds like you never read any of the books
Its only good if you haven't read the books.
@Max Ambient it's very hated among the people who've actually read the book
But I love the whispering internal monologues
_The spice most flow_
Pure unrefined spice
The sleeper has awoken.
The film was so far ahead of its time
@@FooserX
I really liked it.
I wish we could see the Lynch version, Directors Cut.
What Watch Mojo failed to understand is that Yes it can be annoying in the movie But Allot of internal dialogue it is indeed in the book. They blamed it on the producers and director leaving dead spots and not knowing what to do work it. Shows Watch Mojo’s lack of understanding the novel Also. Lol
I love David Lynch's Dune, have seen the movie more then 20 times and I I like to watch it again and again...
Kyle MacLachlan, Kenneth McMillan, Jürgen Prochnow but also everyone else delivered a fantastic acting performance.
I like the book of Frank Herbert too!
Both can stand for themselves.
Most certainly not, the acting is one of the worst parts of the film. There are few scenes that aren’t just unbearably cringe
@@whitelightning2100 Sorry to say this, but then you have absolutely no idea about acting.
@@UnimatrixOne there are decent performances, but maybe you’re right. I think it has to do more with the writing. the internal monologues are instantaneously cringe every time. it’s awesome how they do those in the books, but some things are best left to the pages as they don’t translate well to cinema
There are people who do like this movie like me and made me interested in buying the books of Frank Herbert.
Same here.
Same
I agree. After knowing the movie I actually enjoyed the book way more when I finally read it
Same here it got me into the books...I think they tried their best at that time.
@@oscarchris8547 When the new Dune movie comes out I'm going to watch the 3hr 1984 verison.
I absolutely love this movie. I also loved the voice overs as a means to see what the characters are thinking.
I felt the voiceovers were excessive though otherwise in line with use of italics in the novel. They also clearly were necessary in order to fit feature film time constraints.
I loved book and movie and felt it was a great effort considering the restraints. Nothing will ever match the book (or its sequels) except a long series and that would be far too cerebral to last more that a season.
Agreed.
I agree and I also enjoyed the voice over
I haven't seen the movie but just finished the book and the voice-overs seem appropriate to the italicized sections.
I may be a lone voice in the desert (see what I did there? :D) but I really liked it. Yes it was a quart in a pint pot, and incomprehensible if you hadn't read the book, but it was a spectacular visual treat. The overall plot was, though very condensed, true to the book. The appearance of the characters was, I felt, also true to the book. It was of its time. Only since LOTR would studios agree to make the number of movies necessary to fully do the stories justice. I would happily keep watching this but look forward to the more modern remakes.
You and me both, internal monologues and all.
Ditto.
I love the 84 version...have been a huge fan since I saw it in a little theatre in 1984 when it came out. Sure, it isnt loyal to the book in spots and Baron Harkonnen is way overplayed, but its epic with practical effects. Love it even more than the new movie.
because newer follows half first book atleast
It's not hated, it's polarizing.
Which pole are you on?
Most people don’t care for it
You Just FORGOT TO TELL ( OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T MENTIONED) that the original 1984 Dune was conceived , adapted , writen and intended to be directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, a chilean surrealistic director; That design and storyboard was originally conceived by Moebius, H.R. Giger and Chris Foss; That Lynch was called to direct only to replace Jodorwsky, because of disagreements between studio and director; And That there's a documentary called " Jodorowsky's Dune" that tells the whole story of why such great ambicioous adaptation was never done accoding to the original Jodorowsky's vision, but has influenced ALL sci fi productions made until nowadays.
@@a.c.8470 Shut up. You keep posting the same comment over and over.
@1234 doesn't make it less annoying you pretentious muppet
I loved the 84 Dune, and because I watched it before reading the source material, it gets a pass for all the misses.
If it inspired you to read the book… kudos to the film. I find that most people who have a love for the genre actually enjoyed the movie. I got a lot of questions from friends later since I was the only one who read the book at the time.
@@TheWrongHands18 Inclusivity is way more enjoyable than exclusivity.
I love the movie, and then later read every book in the series.
@Andrew Austin who hurt you?
To each their own, but Dune is one of my favorite sci fi. Although I think the list is thoughtful and informative I think I disagree with many of the the evaluations it gave as a movie in general. Loved the clarity though. 👍
I have a great fondness for the film. All the negativity is just reviewers echoing other reviewers. The only really daft thing in it is the sound weapons, but that can be overlooked. I read the book first, and felt that Lynch illustrated it quite well, as the aesthetics are superb. The casting is great, and the soundtrack is glorious too.
I really liked Dune 1984 but it was confusing. Just watched Dune 2021 and it was amazing. I was captivated the whole way, enjoyed the time to each character and story development and was surprised when it ended, like it was too short. I do hope to see Sting as Feyd again tho.
I feel like Dune 2021 has brought back good movies again, without the overly commercial corporate rush to put out movies quickly with little creative control.
I think Dune 1984 is better.
I just saw DUNE 2021 and it definitely seems to be missing a lot. I’m glad the new movie DUNE part two is coming air next month. I’m glad I waited until now to watch the first (2021) one, because it definitely needed more to it. So boring. I hope part two doesn’t fall as flat.
❤same
Not a Plot Hole: They were able to recreate the weirding modules because Yueh saved the plans for Duke and Jessica and hid them in the ornithopter
Just like not know whos internal dialog we are hearing... some of these are just reaching to fill a list
The plans yes, but the manufacturing is the plot hole i think.
There was nothing like that in the book, they came up with them for the movie. Have you even read the book
@@therecanonlybeone7131 Whether or not its in the book doesnt change the fact thats its not a plot hole.
These guys aren't famous for the depth of the research that goes into these videos.
Mojo, give up. The comments below are clear: you don't know what you're talking about. 84 Dune is largely loved.
David Lynch hated it, tbh.
By unreasonable sci fi fanboys. Anyone else... not so much
Largely loved by the people who bother to search up videos about Dune*
nop
The thumbs say otherwise. 3 times as many up-votes as down.
Dunno what this lady is talking about but these are the top 10 things why people love dune lol
That movie wasn't Dune.
The main problem with Dune was that it was made 7 years after Starwars with the same special effects technology used in the Wizard of Oz. The green screens and matte paintings were especially bad. The other problem is that Lynch makes his actors deliver their lines in an unnatural stilted fashion which he did in Twin Peaks and Eraserhead which doesn't work in Science Fiction because you need to relate to the characters as normal which is what Lucas did in Starwars.
The original Dune movie was a strange and truly unique work of art, something that's hard to find.
Watchmojo FORGOT TO TELL ( OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T MENTIONED) that the original 1984 Dune was conceived , adapted , writen and intended to be directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, a chilean surrealistic director; That design and storyboard was originally conceived by Moebius, H.R. Giger and Chris Foss; That Lynch was called to direct only to replace Jodorwsky, because of disagreements between studio and director; And That there's a documentary called " Jodorowsky's Dune" that tells the whole story of why such great ambicious adaptation was never done according to the original Jodorowsky's vision, but has influenced ALL sci fi productions made until nowadays.
It's a great and unique movie that isn't necessarily Dune..
A visually unique, electrifying, bizarre and sadistic film, miles better than the corny, audience pleasing star wars.
Jodorowsky is a great writer for graphic novels but also an egotistical man who makes his Dune story greater than it probably was.
Strange and discombobulated doesn’t mean it’s once in a life time art
Personally I thought the The Movie was a Classic, and a Great Movie...
Agreed
For the time
Agreed, BUT to be fair I never read the books
@@pbyrondii you can listen to them on here for free;-)
It’s a great movie that got a lot in there. It’s way more faithful than blade runner. I never got the impression from the books that they are meant to be action filled. It’s way more about politics and the struggles of manipulating and being manipulated.
Yeah… this movie is a masterpiece. I have no clue what you are on about.
It's crazy.... The original cut SUCKS, but the extended edition is a true masterpiece
Extended?
Honourable Mention:
TOTO’s Epic Soundtrack.
I love the soundtrack!! Its one of the best soundtrack ever
People can disagree all day about the 1984 version of Dune, but the soundtrack was right on point. Great mix of mysterious, beautiful, and epic.
The high point of which is Brian Eno’s desert theme which sends shivers through me every time I hear it.
Agreed! TOTO did an incredible job. I'm surprised they never took on another film soundtrack.
Yes indeed! I've always been impressed by it. The tune I really like is the Desert Theme; it sounds so grand and It has that Toto vibe to it. Not in the least due to Lukather's trademark sound.🙂
I disagree completely it’s one of the best movies to come out of the 80s and it holds a place of honor in my movie collection!
Lmfao.
I just watched it for the first time and tried to block out all the negativity surrounding it and got sucked in. Brilliant symbolism. Apart from feeling scattered everything was great. Acting , cinematography, score (by Toto?!) and I do like the plot. Ahead of its time. I can get why people wouldn’t like it but it’s far from terrible
@tubeyou haynes Gary Stu, Marty Stu, or Larry Stu, not mary
I disagree with almost EVERYTHING thing that is put forward. The original studio release certainly suffers in the edit. There is a REDUX version available which is three hours awesome. I am a huge fan of the novels and was amazed to discover that all the characters looked as I had imagined them to be. I had no problem at all with Paul's age or the "whispered" internal dialogue. It may have been hated by most critics but it was obviously good enough to garner nearly 3000 positive comments. I think you underestimated the Fremen. The film is a (studio) flawed masterpiece.
I watched the movie very young and it kind of scared me on some aspects, mostly the way the baron and his people are portayed was horrific to my very young mind. The ending with allthe blue eyes and Paul's power being showed kind of stayed with me.
But seing it later, I was disapointed, I had expected a lot more from a film that so many were venerating. So many things feel dated and comparing it to the book it does seem deviate from the messages residing inside.
I saw the new Dune, and I'm rather content of it. Paul really is someone I want to follow in that one, all his pain and his fears transmitted in a way I'm more sensible to, the aesthetics are beautiful, and go well with the music.
They go out of the way to explain that Dr. Yueh packed the blueprints for the weirding modules with Paul and Jessica. Did you even watch the movie?
Obviously, whoever made this video had skipped that part in the movie, or they'd never watched it
And the fremen were highly industrial.
@@kevinharkness2108 Exactly
Especially when you consider the water collectors and the reservoirs they have
@@karlsmith2570 Not to mention the stillsuits the Fremen created. Those are pretty advanced pieces of tech that allow for survival in one of the most inhospitable places there is. Imagine if we had tech like that today. It would change the world, literally.
@@DeadlyDanDaMan Yes
It most certainly would
The 84 Dune is still my shit . This film helped me get through Afghanistan. Nothing helps you get through a day of sitting in the tower like imagining a giant sandworm tearing up the long range and hitting some UXO .
I listened to the book in a tower staring at nothing. I feel you brother
@@flopus7 and when I worked the search pit I referred to the locals as the Fremen.
It had more style than the new one. The new one does some things better though. For example, the Imperial Sardaukar shock troops are much more impressive & threatening than the cheap Hazmat suit ones in 1984 Dune.
@@ShakaCthulu yeah there were some things about the original I preferred. For example they mention the spice alot more and you get the impression everyone's got a hard on for the stuff.
Watched Dune 1984 for the first time the night before the new iteration came out last week, and I have to say, I liked them both for very different reasons. Some of the original was definitely hokey then, as it is now, but there was heart put into it. The new version, visually stunning as it is, does not really have the same amount of heart or emotion conveyed by the lead. Also, we needed 1,000% more Zendaya.
Yes. I think you hit the nail on the head when you say the movie has heart. I seldom go to the movies now because they just seem to be too much to one formula. The last movie I saw was Ab Fab the Movie. I would rather see a flawed movie like this than one that "ticks all the boxes".
There's a reason for little Zendaya in part 1. Because of where the film ends. Chani does not really appear at all until the moment Jessica and Paul are taken in by the Fremen. In fact after reading the book, I think we get more Chani in Part 1 than we do in the first part of the book.
Yep, in the book Paul had no superpowers... If you exclude inherited memories of nearly all history, the ability to see the future, the ability to think with the logic processing of a computer... Just a regular dude.
Lynch's Dune is definitely one of my "comfort" movies that I could always go back and watch. It's one that my dad and I would watch atleast once a year, its usually the extended one though.
It's a good point. I need to buy the extended version.
There’s an extended version?
Yeah. I don't hate it either. I can't take it seriously since it has flaws and some stuff just did not age well but its kinda wild and entertaining so meh.
I got movies like that too. This one is definitely not one of them, but yeah I know what you mean.
One movie I love to go back and watch is "Troll". It's 80s fantasy horror(ish) with an iffy plot, and lots of gnarly latex puppets drenched in slime, doing mean things. People who see it for the first time in adult age will think it sucks immensely, but to me it has something magical.
Yea im trying to understand why the movie wasnt well-received, but i also realize that my bias stems from the fact that this was my first introduction into the dune universe from when i used to watch it as a young lad with dad :)
I don't hate it.
Ditto
You Just FORGOT TO TELL ( OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T MENTIONED) that the original 1984 Dune was conceived , adapted , writen and intended to be directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, a chilean surrealistic director; That design and storyboard was originally conceived by Moebius, H.R. Giger and Chris Foss; That Lynch was called to direct only to replace Jodorwsky, because of disagreements between studio and director; And That there's a documentary called " Jodorowsky's Dune" that tells the whole story of why such great ambicioous adaptation was never done accoding to the original Jodorowsky's vision, but has influenced ALL sci fi productions made until nowadays.
You should
I watched Dune once. It wasn't a masterpiece, but I didn't hate it. I would give it a 6 or 7 out of 10.
@@a.c.8470 yeah...but jordorowskys dune wouldnt have been book accurate either with alot more disturbing scenes and acid trip visuals that wouldve been worse than lynchs movie 🤷♂️ in all honesty after watching the documentary im glad that his movie wasnt made.
Many of these miss the mark; but it's from a poll, after all. What I hated: the absolutely gross Baron Harkonen. Difficult to watch. So many bald Bene Gesseret. Lack of quotations of fictional works between chapters. The rectilinear force fields. I thought the Atredies, Shadout Mapes, and the emperor were very well-played and cast. Leit Kines was rather untanned as a desert person; although he did seem very well-educated and connected. Sting was a bit over the top, but he worked well for the dual at the end. When its claimed the weirding modules were a way of movement, that saying "My name is a killing word." is from the book. They were indeed using sonic weapons, and there was a long period between Paul becoming the leader of the Fremen and their actual attack, after all. I thought most of the voice-overs were successful; but in retrospect, not better than the removed footage. "How can this be? For he IS the Kwezartz Haderach!" It's entirely appropriate. The Bene Gesseret were out to promote the one who is to come (which they created). He didn't conceive of himself as a god, but serving God. How does it miss the point of the series, that messiahs and genetic modification are dangerous? The first book left him in a heroic light. Only the others, especially God Emperor of Dune, really drove that point home.
Well said. Lots of the characters were over the top, but that's what made them memorable. I still quote for the original movie.
No, the first book did NOT make him out to be a hero. It's already known that the prophecies are part of the Bene Gesserit seeding program. He was never supposed to be a "chosen one" of God, but a product of culture, science, and scheming. He knew a massive jihad was coming, but didn't care. He did nothing to prevent massive death and continued to push down the warpath. Was there a better way? Maybe. Paul CHOSE to follow his visions, he CHOSE to build a war machine, he CHOSE to start an uncontrollable, galactic holy war.
@@blusafe1 the reason why he chose the Jihad to be done in that way was because in every other possibility of the future, the death count tenfolded, and the human race would stagnate and die as a result. The Jihad and the reign of Leto II brougth pain to trilions but at the end the humanity was able to evolve and prosper because of this pain
So many people like to regurgitate that the internal dialog was disliked, but it is straight out of the book. The new movie is worse. Instead of hearing Paul recite the littany of fear, you hear his mom say it outside the door. That scene was just stupid in the film. Where was the pain? Paul looked like he either had diarrhea or constipation and either needed Imodium or Miralax, take your pick.
What was even worse is that instead of internal dialog, they spoke out loud in a foreign language and you had to read a subtitle. In real life that would be considered rude and doing in right in front of the Duke would make one of his guard ask what the hell did the person just say.
So don't crap all over the 1984 film for it's bold choices. At least it did not end with a middle finger to the audience by ending in the middle of the story. Dune was only one book, not a trilogy like LOTR. Maybe if they cut out an hour of staring into the desert he could have told the whole story in one film.
I was literally the only person in a Queensland cinema when I first watched this film. As a teenager, I left totally confused as to what I had just watched. However, the film's strangeness left a huge impression on me, especially the grand sets, the elaborate costumes and the mystical music by Eno/Toto. It inspired me to read Herbert's books. Subsequent reviewing, along with learning about how Lynch was hindered from making the film he envisioned, has left me appreciative of what the film is and what it could have been. I'd love to see a director's cut one day but given Lynch's attitude, that's unlikely. I'm eagerly waiting in anticipation of Villeneuve's film and to see how he's adapted the source material.
I agree. The movie made me read the whole series. It was, like anything, shaped by it 's time as well. Costumes, hair, makeup.
@@nobody1k Thanks for replying and sharing your thoughts Meg. It's made me feel like I'm less out on a limb out there and that others feel the same!
What do you think of the Villeneuve's Dune adaptation? Just curious
@@michaelfitzpatrickjr I haven't seen it yet as it hasn't been released in cinemas in Australia where I live. I think it's coming out here on December 2nd. However, I'm dying to see it as I greatly admire Villenueve's work. I would go to see it irregardless of the reviews (most of which seem overwhelmingly positive) anyway. Have you seen Villenueve's version? Did you enjoy watching it?
@@joycliffe266 I think you’ll enjoy it. It really captures the mood and feel of the Dune universe. That I think was Denis’s main objective. Once audiences have fallen in love with the world, they’ll stick around for the politics and complexities.
The book has those internal conversations i.e. the characters are thinking to themselves. I liked the inclusion in the film.
And chapters begin with an extract of princess' Irulan history of Paul Muad'Dib
I like it. For all the reasons that people supposedly hate it. Granted, I want an extended version at 4 hours but I love the score, the special effects, the weirdness. Good stuff. Also, I do love me some exposition dumps.
Bear in mind, at the time this movie was produced, there was no such thing as sequels. You did it in one movie or you didnt do it at all. Unlike todays 10 sequels because they wont take a chance on new material.
Lynch's D U N E is wonderful, weird and awesome... one of my favorite films. I'm even more obsessed with the fantastic score by Toto (and Brian Eno).
Toto...what a great soundtrack!! One of the best ever...the prophesy theme...its a masterpiece
It's a great film! Love the music score, also :)
Love TOTO!
@@SamSchiffer The remake just lays there. Bored to tears. Fail.
Exactly! This film is a perfect example of what a great soundtrack can add to a movie.
The antithesis of that is Villeneuve's 2049.
Zimmer's soundtrack was utterly boring and instantly forgettable.
I grew up with this movie and I love it. It captured my imagination, it moved me to read the books, it's just entertaining. I love it!
I watched the original Dune for the first time last week on Max and honestly it’s better than the remake.
Old Star Wars movies takes its viewers along in the journey. The modern Disney “Star Wars” berates, insults, & lectures you.
I LOVE 84 DUNE; It Is A Piece Of 80s ART and An Introduction to the DUNE Universe😍
Universe - nothing in this vers
It’s a disgrace to the art of filmmaking
I like it too, even though I've never read the Dune books; I'm anxiously waiting for the 2020 remake; aren't you?
@Musky Hollows It's awful exposition dumping, rushed story, u underdeveloped characters, awful effects and the fact that it just spits on the bookz
Was anybody expecting Lynch to make a clear, concise, linear movie? Has he ever?
Yeah. I think they still had Jodowrosky on their minds when choosing a director. They got someone just as weird. But, they approached the project with different passions. AJ might have made a film just as derisive in retrospect. They both would have looked great but lacked the true nature that makes the source material great. Lynch definitely had better actors for the project. The weird choice of fellow directors, surreal artists, rock stars and probably foreign speaking actors would not have meshed well. AJ’s choice of Conceptual Designers was second to none and probably influenced every sci fi project in its wake. Geiger, Foss and Moebius alone are sci fi gods in my book.
This wasn’t even the movie he intended to make, the studio hacked it to shit and he hates the end product. This was the project that turned Lynch off Hollywood for the rest of his career.
@@TheWrongHands18 Ridley Scott was actually the director chosen to helm DUNE, but he left in preproduction due to the death of his brother. That freed him up to direct Blade Runner. If anything, a lot of DUNE's world-building can be credited to Scott, since he was involved in the early creative decisions and directions. Bottom Line, Herbert advised Lynch throughout the production and later said he enjoyed the film. His authority and opinion are the only ones that really matter in the end.
The problem was Dune is a big big story and when the whole thing was filmed it was about five hours long. They had to cut it in half which is still 2.5 hours . Unless you've read the book it can be very confusing but it was , is and always will be my favourite film.
The Straight Story. Elephant Man was also very linear and easy to understand.
"David Lynch didn't have creative freedom"
Like changing the main characters age, or changing back story, or maybe even adding a huge plot detail that never existed. Huh.
I loved this movie, didn’t hate anything about it. That being said I am glad the new one that came out will be a multi movie series so that it will go into depth better on all the story has to offer.
just watched the new one. It's kinda worse...
@@vinyl37246 I agree. It was so boring. For choosing to squeeze only half of the story in one film, they didn't do a great job, unfortunately.
@@vinyl37246 This movie is a masterpiece, so yea not surprised a redo sucked. If you think this movie was bad, i bet you think star wars is the best thing ever
@@vinyl37246 Dude just loves absurdism for some reason.
Its not perfect, or acurate to the source material, but its still a nice movie. 💙
Now do the syfy mini-series
You Just FORGOT TO TELL ( OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T MENTIONED) that the original 1984 Dune was conceived , adapted , writen and intended to be directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, a chilean surrealistic director; That design and storyboard was originally conceived by Moebius, H.R. Giger and Chris Foss; That Lynch was called to direct only to replace Jodorwsky, because of disagreements between studio and director; And That there's a documentary called " Jodorowsky's Dune" that tells the whole story of why such great ambicioous adaptation was never done accoding to the original Jodorowsky's vision, but has influenced ALL sci fi productions made until nowadays.
@@a.c.8470 Yeah I saw it.
It was cool...just not Dune. Frank Herbert agrees.
@@noirangel6416 Oh, yeah...but you agree watchmojo should have mentioned this background history?...
@@a.c.8470 Yes. Definetly.
Yah, my thought was, "If they could only splice the best parts of the two together, we'd have an almost-perfect Dune film."
What are you talking about? I love the Dune book AND the old movie. They're different stories that can coexist just fine.
Dude, they could've just made a different movie if they weren't going to follow the story
not by David Lynch
Agree. Fan Boys Haters just have no flexibility in their thinking
@@davidcripps3011 It's not like there is no legitimate reason for someone to hate the film and it's not like it's a highly acclaimed film.
@@ryanlts_9684 It's all about opinions because I enjoy the film but raging over a bit of fiction not matching your expectations is pretty immature. The hating fans act as if they're owed something. This applies to all the other franchises and conversions from book to film. I'm a huge fan of the Dune books but I don't need the film to be accurate, or even remotely similar.
I agree, it’s a terrible adaptation of the book, from the modules, to the Baron, to the constant voice over. But to me, it’s like that ugly child only a mother could love. I think that’s why I like it.
Plus I like Toto’s soundtrack and Brian Eno’s contribution to the soundtrack.
Watched Dune 21 and 1984 versions. This is more due to the game I played when younger. I like them both. I noticed 21 version seems to be longer and has more to it where I find the 1984 is very crammed. I like them both.
You listed this in your Top 10 Worst Book to Film Adaptations. Yet you praised it on multiple occasions as well. Personally, I don't hate this movie, I wouldn't say that this movie is completely without merit.
IKR. I liked the film but the only issue is that it's not faithful in a way that everything is rushed.
I never hated the movie, but I didn't love it either. I agree that was furious that they changed great details and some of the costumes were actually great but some could have been done better.
@@roguejester4986 Same. Let's hope Denis gets it right as Frank Herbert's son, Brian who has written more for the Dune universe has praised Denis. Even Jodorowsky is praising Denis's vision though he has reservations that can Denis get it right.
@@rickardkaufman3988 Agreed
Dude, the movie sucked. I love the original Dune books.
The final scene with the rain is Paul folding space between Arrakis and Caladan. This power was detailed in the movie as belonging to the Guild Navigators, so having Paul demonstrate this power showed his growth as a spice recipient and as the Kwisatz Haderach.
The movie didn't go into the life cycle of the worms, so the consequences of rain on Arrakis were not known to the movie goers.
Turning the weirding way into sound powered ray guns was ... not ideal. But kung fu on sand dunes would have been just as poor a choice, if not worse. Imagine the fight scenes between the Fremen and the Sardaukar: The Fremen somehow manage to close to knife and fist range with legions of Sardaukar who are armed with lasguns, stunners, and Maula pistols, how? And then once in hand to hand range the Fremen start beating them up using martial arts. Yeah, that's not going to play well.
Being limited to a typical movie run time, 1984's Dune did as best as could be expected. Every other adaptation, finished or not, has had much more time to explore the setting.
He was folding space...!! I didn't know that! Wow so cool!
That’s not how folding space works actually.
@@rayfeighery3245 Oh, really? Please tell us all exactly how much space you've folded in order to establish your expertise on the subject.
All kidding aside, this is exactly what Paul does at the end of the 1984 Dune movie. It is not in line with the books, for the previously mentioned reasons of the ecology of the worms, but given that the movie didn't go into that ecology and most viewers can be assumed to not have a clue about it, it was a fair artistic license.
7:33 “Personal shields have rendered projectile weapons largely obsolete. As such, blade weapons and hand to hand combat are the norm.”
So I guess that’s how they could get in hand to hand range.
Dune 1984 is one of my all time favorite movies, it is so deep and complex and contains so much in it. I hated all the other Dune adaptations! I think the main problem of Dune 1984 is that it was published as the new Star Wars but is is absolutly NOT! It is NOT for young audiance and it is more like an artistic movie and not a popcoren movie! It was amistake to publish it for a wide audiance but I understand the production had to retun their huge investment.
Always loved David Lynch’s Dune…so stylish, and kooky. I didn’t read the book until much later so I had no expectations. I absolutely love the book and have read it several times.
Yall Bugging. DUNE is a Classic.
Same. Mojo missed the mark with this. This movie is a classic.
probably the only reason yall defend it so much. Nostalgia
Right?!
@@CozyKG I wouldn't be surprised if you were conceived during this movie.
Terrible video. Most of the dialogue is lifted directly from the book. The casting is amazing (with one or two exceptions - Paul Smith for instance, and probably Sting) and overall it is a David Lynch film from top to bottom. The studio butchered it but at its heart it has the strangeness that makes it stay in the memory. When I saw it at the cinema on release I was confused by the arbitrary studio cut but mesmerised by the feel of the film. I had to see it again and it rewards more viewings, revealing visual and story details you miss the first time.
Also Kyle Mclachlan was the same age when he played Paul as Timothée Chalamet was when he played him.
1984 Dune remains a masterpiece of Lynchian filmmaking ruined by the studio. Long live the fighters!
Out of interest, had you read the book before seeing the movie?
If not: I think I would've been mesmerized by this film if I hadn't read the book first. Upon reflection, I did enjoy the 'feel' of the film, and certain scenes (I actually thought Sting was pretty good!), but I was too disappointed in the many changes and omissions that were made.
If you had: no explanation.
@@ecurb10 Although I was a huge Sci Fi fan and very well read (including a number of Frank Herbert novels) I had never read Dune, so the film had no dissapointing changes or omissions. David Lynch was also quite new to me and I became a big fan of his from this film. I remember reading the book for the first time and being dissapointed in the omissions in the book! I still see and hear Kyle McLachlan in my minds eye when reading it, and I will argue all day that Everett McGill is the perfect Stilgar.
@@gavinturnbull5459 Interesting. So you don't hold any criticism for the movie not being true to the book? Don't you have it the wrong way around, lol?
@@ecurb10 The Spicediver edit of Lynchs film is the closest to the book and I highly recommend that if you haven't seen it. On the other hand the book is the best. Sometimes a director who is less in awe of the source material makes a better job of it as he is not frightened to change things, othertimes not so much. I am really looking forward to Villeneuves version but I am not expecting a carbon copy. I'll be happy with a good film. Dune fanatics will never be totally happy (witness the facebook group postings that people won't see the film as one of the actors has the wrong shaped nose!).
@@gavinturnbull5459 Yep there'll always be the crazy fanatics.
Otherwise, glad you enjoyed the Lynch film...maybe I'm just jealous and wish I did!
Cheers mate.
I have seen the 1984 version so many times I love it!!!The 2021version is remarkably similar to 1984!!!
David Lynch's Dune is an 80's sci-fi classic with its Steampunk style, surreal visuals, grandiose film score, quirky campy characters - the red haired Harkonnens make great baddies, the Baron being repulsive and cruel, etc.. Lots of material was edited out.... and Lynch himself disliked the finished result after losing control of its overall direction/production. It was the ignorant movie critics of the time that slated it when it was released as well as a bewildered public that probably expected an easy to follow Star Wars movie for the kiddies.
I actually liked the internal monologues- they added a depth that was necessary in describing Dune
And I’d rather have someone who has actually read the books narrate and critique it
That the narrator slams Lynch for not respecting the source material is rather ironic
He had NO creative freedom when making the movie back then and the finished product was so bad, he disowned it completely.
Also, the ENTIRE movie is a condensed 2-hour runtime trying to cram 500+ pages from such a complex book and the changes made really disrespected the source material.
The studio made it into a typical ''white boy savior'' story when it wasn't the case in the book.
Plus, those insufferable monologues and thoughts are 1 reason why the movie felt rushed and insulting to both Frank Herbert and the Dune fans alike.
Everything this movie reminded us is how Villeneuve's version of Dune is a much more faithful adaptation of the book, even with those subtle changes he made to some characters and key moments to make it his own.
Villeneuve REALLY understood the assignment, Lynch did not.
I also liked the internal monologues. would like to see that technique used more often, like in the TV show Peep Show
@@martinde-serres8724 No, he lost control of the editing process. That’s a far cry from NO creative freedom.
Denis doesn’t even touch on the most central themes of Herbert’s work- at all, not once. He’s boiled Dune down to the saga of Paul.
Which is understandable, but disappointing. And ironically, Denis’ version has the same issues with condensing the works that Lynch had.
And yet you fault Lynch for that dearth but not Denis.
The first book leaves Paul as a savior figure. So Lynch’s version is perfectly in keeping with that.
No, Paul is not a white savior in Lynch’s version.
Lynch’s Fremen are Caucasian.
When there is no disparity between the races, a white savior isn’t even a possibility.
You’re referencing a poorly written critique of Dune, Herbert’s Dune, by a critic who had never read the book.
It’s a well known critique of Dune, akin to Lawrence of Arabia (in which ‘white savior was applicable) as it was overtly obvious that the critic had never read Dune, given no one who had read Dune would’ve ever labeled Paul a ‘white savior’. And the critic was castigated for their review and complete ignorance of the topic.
That’s where the now cliched ‘white savior’ line comes from.
It wasn’t applicable to Herbert’s Dune and it certainly doesn’t apply to Lynch’s Dune.
It’s not applicable in Herbert’s Dune because Paul is far from being a savior.
And it’s not applicable in Lynch’s Dune as the Fremen are white. So there’s no reason to insert race where the supposed savior is homogeneous to the indigenous populace.
At best, you might presume that Lynch ‘whitewashed’ the Fremen.
But he didn’t. The Fremen were described as pale because the Fremen were essentially nocturnal, they didn’t move around in the desert during the day as the climate was far too harsh. It was considered wasteful at best (water loss), and life threatening at worst. The Fremen dreaded the sun and fled to their Seitches during at the first appearance of the sun.
So they would’ve lacked almost all melanin as a result of their nocturnal habits.
You’re also looking at Dune through a modern political lens. Which is an entirely inappropriate way to look at Lynch’s Dune or Herbert’s.
How much more Caucasian could Lynch’s Chani, Stilgar or Janis be?
You shoehorned in white savior but it’s a completely inaccurate description of Lynch’s Dune.
It reads as if you’re trying desperately to insert modern political paradigms into sci fi where they have no place.
And I would guess that’s because you’re consumed with modern politics, such that you find supposed parallels in everything, via confirmation bias, even when such parallels are nonexistent.
@@bry8636 Because it IS a ''white boy savior'' type of story they made with Lynch's version after all that editing.
Also, back then, there wasn't a lot of POC actors to fil in most characters in the movie, so they only had Caucasian actors in some make up to separate the different main factions from the book.
BTW, I've seen Lynch's Dune and what I said is what it is, stop trying to think that I'm referencing someone else's critique when I gave MY own thoughts about it.
Keep your bullshit claims to yourself next time, dipshit.
The plans for the modules were in the bags that Dr. Yuey left for them in the shuttle with the still suits. Did y’all actually watch the movie?
I have Never met Anyone that didn't like this movie.
Some reasons why it was hated...
1. It focused on the art-form with original story telling.
2. It didn't rely on being 'overly' sexual to sell itself to a 'less imaginative' audience.
3. It "showed " the viewer instead of 'telling' the viewer through the character's inner thoughts.
.....just some.
Say what you want. I love this movie and always have. The costumes were elaborate and elegant and the grotesque makeup was awesome! Sometimes you have to appreciate things in their essence and not rip it apart by pulling that strings. Part of it's charm is some of the quirky effects, thought voices and over the top drama. The only thing I would change is if it was longer.
Blah blah blah. 2020 Dune is so much better.
@@Jocelyn_Herrick We're talking about a difference of 35 years in filmmaking technology. Not to mention David Lynch is a completely different type of director. Each piece of art can stand on its own and doesn't need to compare. One thing for sure, the costumes in the original Dune are beyond reproach and the detail and effort put into them was significant. In Dune 2020 it's like they ran out of money for costumes. Their armor looked cheap and flimsy and the fabrics were of poor quality.
The bad cutting is actually a shame for this movie and by far its worst problem. As many mistakes as it may have - I still absolutely love it! The actors are great and I just love its gloomy, mystic atmosphere and the spoken thoughts of people are definitely a part of that. Weird & beautiful. Just great art.
Speak for yourselves. I loved Lynch’s Dune and I’ve seen every cut of it there is, even the 3+ hour one that uses outtakes. In some ways Lynch’s Dune is better than the new one, it has a style & does character development better. Yeah, it takes liberties like with the wyrding modules, but they’re called ADAPTATIONS for a reason, and only had one movie to do thisnin. If you want something exactly like the book, just read the damn book again.
I love this movie... Can you name another movie with Sting & Patrick Steward in it? Also it has the same gritty feel as Krull (1983). Both movies are just like heavy Metal (1981) staples of my youth & absolutely Cult-(Sci-Fi) classics...
I love Dune. I have the extended version. It makes a lot more sense
I actually have both
on a double-sided DVD
Without this movie and the television cut, I would never have discovered the books which I love.Its not the perfect film but I still love it.
Dune 1984 is a cult classic, I don’t care what anyone says, it was brilliant, campy, cheesy and a kickassed score by TOTO. I am a hug David Lynch fan and this was totally Lynch style.
This movie is a brilliant adaptation of the book, which I read several times. Actually, later versions were poorly made and took huge liberties on the original storyline. The 1984 version is a classic.
Nonsense, I re-watched it yesterday and its still just fine, most points you mention actually make it stand out from its peers and make it memorable.
The theatrical version. The 4 hour and 15 minutes version, I assure you, is not.
This version was never made, though.
that version doesn't even exist
I couldnt stomach nor comprehend this film as a 7 year old. Almost 40 years later, I tried to watch; still cant finish it.
😂😂
Preach
I think the biggest reason for the movie's failure was stated in the beginning. It was a matter of final cut. They chopped the film up and added voiceovers to try and make sense of it. This ultimately destroyed the film. Otherwise, trying to nitpick Lynch's style is a fool's errand. He's has an extremely unique style which, loved or hated, is ultimately up to the viewer to interpret and try to make sense of.