WTF Happened to Dune (1984)?
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- Опубліковано 10 гру 2020
- In the 1980s when studios were all desperately chasing "the next STAR WARS", filmmaker David Lynch tackled a big-screen version of Frank Herbert's classic sci-fi novel DUNE. Lynch's vision for the production was ambitious, uniquely weird, and ultimately compromised by a truncated edit, leading to audience bewilderment and box office failure. Let's swallow some Spice and find out "WTF Happened to the 1984 version of DUNE!"
NOTE: At the 11:46 mark, the photograph on screen is by Rick McGinnis.
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Jodorowsky was right. It really should be 10 hours.
With all those streaming platforms popping up left right and center to rival Netflix, I'm surprised nobody there yet came to the idea to make Dune as a short series (10-12 40-50 minute episodes). This way we could get finally a version long enough and yet financially supported enough to make Dune justice.
@@steveweidig5373 there was a miniseries in 2000. It was horrible.
@@Nakedhampster1 I know.
They made a browser (basically just a reskin of some browser at the time, but hey) that I used for a while, but switched after I saw the finished product. Or rather parts of it, as here in Europe that miniseries took forever to come over.
The difference is that the budget for that miniseries amounted to at best a direct-to-video adaptation, which is much lower than for an actual movie. But when you see the budgets of the series that Netflix, Amazon and Disney produce, you'll see that with that, a faithful adaptation of Dune would finally be within reach - if any of them would pick up the license that is!
sounded more like an excuse for his own shortcomings
@@steveweidig5373 Exactly! Everyone was looking for the next Game of Thrones, and Dune seemed to me a very obvious choice that was ignored. The new movie might be good, but there is potential for something much richer and more immersive on the small screen.
"I must not fear.Fear is the mind-killer.Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.I will face my fear.I will permit it to pass over me and through me.And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."
Not a bad mantra for facing one’s fears. Doubly effective if you also utilize various breathing techniques.
And what’s your point
Read the book when I was in the 6th
-grade.It-- took me 8 months to under-
-stand it's source material.It truly is
-a great science-fiction novel.Frank
-Herbert wrote the definitive book
-an alternative view-point of life on
-a different future of planets and it's
-politics of changing worlds.I agree
-with most people that the film was
-a bit muddled and confusing.I read
-the book so I did understand and en
-joyed the movie.Another film of the
-same name was released recently
-but because of the pandemic it was
-not released properly and no reviews
-of it that I've heard.The Sleeper has
-awakened!!✨✨🔵🔵🟦🟦🔚🔚🔚🔚
FYI; "Fear" is his cat's name.
Even easier
Be like me. which means..... Be like Dexter Morgan.
Everybody wants to focus on what this film got wrong without acknowledging how much it got right. I think the casting was great. The sound and music are incredible. The use of interior monologues is always risky, but were used to great effect here. The visuals were as good as they could have been. I think anyone who re-watched the film a few times understood the plot without difficulty. Despite the fact that the corporate powers kept interfering with the films direction, Lynch still made a good film. Frank Herbert liking the film is really the only blessing that was needed.
Well said.
You're right about the casting. I think Leto, Jessica, the Baron (acne free), the Emperor, Irulan, the Reverend Mother, Yueh, Duncan Idaho, Gurney, Chani, and Rabban were spot-on. Even Sting as Feyd-Rautha was a solid choice. The music and inner dialogue worked well. I complained in my post the real problem was Lynch's adding weird stuff, cosmetics, and not sticking closer to the book throughout hurt his adaptation.
100% agreement. This has been my favorite film by a mile for decades. The visuals were across the board incredible, the casting couldn't have been better, and the soundtrack was second to none.
@@Thunderflare99 The thing about Lynch's "weird adaptations" is that he HAD TO do them to keep the time down or because there is no other way.
- Giedi Prime is a thoroughly "Ancient Rome" but dictatorial/oppressing setting ... but you cant explain that within five minutes and thus he went with an "Artsy" way to EMOTIONALLY show the oppression and weirdness of the Baron
- the combat skill level of the Atreides/Sardaukar/Fremen is easily described in a book, but how do you SHOW these levels on screen? If it is simply one side that always wins ... it can also be due to PLOT ARMOR and not because it is actually "visible to the viewer"; just think about a Western, where the heroes "always hit" and the bad guys never kill a good guy. The sound-modules are a crutch to do exactly this ... but it is a less than ideal solution, because the Fremen are supposed to be THE SUPERIOR FIGHTERS on their own ... because Arrakis is tougher than Salusa Secundus.
With modern combat training there MIGHT BE a way to show the different levels of fighting ability ... maybe by letting each group use a different style of martial arts and then assigning them a "rock paper scissors" hierarchy of sorts, where the Judo attempt loses to the Karate strikes. Green-screen and wire-based fighting (as was used in the Matrix for example) would be completely inappropriate, because it isnt about superpowers and there would have to be LOTS of people fighting at the same level of skill.
Let us hope they shy away from the DANCE CHOREOGRAPHY of the throne room battle in the Last Jedi ... which is one of the most atrocious scenes ever, riddled with visual mistakes and logical holes.
@@Muck006 I appreciate that you took the time to debate some points. I understand what you're saying, but there are just blatant weird imagery things that were completely gratuitous and unnecessary in adapting the book to movie in Lynch's style. I agree that the "weirding way" is hard to depict on screen, and it was not described in any detail in the book. I think part of the problem with making the book into a movie is that the book is very dialogue-driven; Herbert wasn't very detail-oriented, but there is just enough to go on. Lynch did very well the inner dialogue.
LOL, I like the throne room scene in TLJ. I know there are people that have spent time slowing it down and tearing it apart, but I just watch it normal and enjoy it.
This movie is an absolute gem. I had read all the Dune books that were then available so was well versed in the story line. They covered all the main points that advanced the story. The book to script writing was excellent, the acting was top class all the way and the special effects were as good as could be for the time. I still watch this movie whenever it comes on the tv and it never fails to satisfy.
This movie blew my mind as a kid in the 90's
It blew me away as an adult.
Same for both comments
Exactly!!! However it holds up as an adaptation it was a worthy introduction to Herbert's groundbreaking (lliterally in the narrative - hrr!!!) exercise in world building in the science fiction genre You didnt forget the imagery or scenes in a hurry.
Yep, I was mesmerised by this move. Also was a little lost but I still loved it
@@KudaKwashe I loved the "getting lost"!
I LOVED this movie!
Such a mysterious atmosphere!
This was actually my favorite movie when I was a kid. I had always been a Star Wars fan, and I perceived Dune as Star Wars for grownups, like you talked about. It has its flaws and I was blown away when I finally read the novel (and later saw the miniseries), but this is still one of my favorite movies of all time.
I absolutely loved this film - a real 'WTF' moment for me. I loaned the VHS tape several times from my local video library. The story was so 'far out' - it's what true science fiction is meant to be. I may try and read the book one day.
I loved the feel of Dune even as a little kid. I didn’t understand the movie till I was a teen though. I still quote it occasionally. “I will bend like a reed in the wind.”
Fear is the mind killer.
@@captaintyrrell6428 “What’s inside the box? Pain.”
Yep, I didn't fully understand the movie until I started reading the novels.
*i've loved my mentat inspired eyebrows ever since this movie came out*
"It is by will alone I set my mind in motion."
There are certain scenes in this movie that are phenomenal. Paul teaching the Freman the weirding way, the arrival on Arrakis, the Spacing Guild visiting the Emperor, the final fight with Sting.
Mind you, the Weirding Way in the film is nothing like the books. In the books, it's a means of moving very quickly for tactical advantage. I do still like it, though.
"Get out of my mind!"
Who can forget that guy tripping when they brought the Guild rep to see the emperor?
Or, the Harkonen troops wearing black Chucks?
Sting was amazing in his role. Exactly what I'd pictured that character to be from the book. The villains were the best parts of the film.
@@timtheskeptic1147 hahaha
Theres a "mood" Lynches film creates that is inherently Dune, coupled with Totos sound, its exquisite and haunting.. You can taste it..
You nailed it. Dune 2021 is a snoozer by comparison.
Absolutely! Lynchs movie may have it flaws but (as a big fan of the books) its way closer to the books and catches the mood perfectly while the new movie....yeah...its somehow just another new movie with lots of fancy effects camera work and stuff and totally off from the books.....it wasnt a bad movie but it wasnt a good movie either...
the brian eno song that is heard randomly throughout the film is an incredible piece of music
Absolutely, it has soul. They don't make movies like this anymore...
I agree. Lynch's Dune genuinely had an other-worldly feel to it.
The new Dune is just Hollywood doing what Hollywood does. Just feels like an epic on earth.
I saw this in theaters back when it released. They included a handout that explained the terminology used in the movie. I had never read the books, so it helped quite a bit. To this day, the only movie I know of that required a cheat sheet. I liked it then and liked it now, despite any flaws.
I remember getting the glossary sheet at the theatre. Wish I'd saved it.
Oh they do that back in the 80s?
I think Game of Thrones is a lot more enjoyable to people who haven't read the books if they have some info sheets like this of at least whom is related to whom and the names/geography of the houses.
@@caseyhayes4590 Haha, I started watching GoT in season 2 and couldn't make heads or tails of plot, character motivations, or, well, anything. Went back to catch the first season and it all made sense. I enjoyed the first two books (they are exceedingly well-written), but they just start getting muddy in book three. The Dune chronicles start getting deep around book three, but remain enjoyable, except for the awful ending.
@Darren Threinen I didn't read the whole series until I was in my mid-20s. If I had tried that as a kid, it would have turned me off to reading. ;D
I've always loved this movie. I never had issues understanding the world or the plot even having never read the book.
I loved the movie at first, having never read the book before. The movie made me want to read the book and reading it made me hate the movie and Lynch and his work, for life.
So if you do like the movie and like David Lynch... don't read the book. That's my advice.
@@DDanV I read the book before seeing the film, yet I enjoyed the film a lot.
I had read the book and I just took this movie as an artistic representation of one person's take on how to tell or project the story as movie. The art direction and actors are pretty great so they are two different entities in my mind. If I want to turn someone onto Dune I'm not showing them the movie. Im giving them the book
@@DDanV That doesn't really make sense to me. How can reading the book ruin a movie you love? I love the movie and I love the book, I just see them as two entirely different representations of the same story (like almost any book that transitions to movie). Sure, Lynch's movie made shit up and took liberties but I think they had to in order to make it more appealing for the audience. You can tell he put a lot of love and effort into it (nothing disrespectful to the work at least). - Frank Herbert doesn't exactly write in a way that would allow for an easy transition to movie. 90% of the content of his books is inner monologue and the narrator describing things with very little action happening.
b/c you have an above average or higher IQ [in all probability]. you are in company.
Nearly a failure but one that I have re-watched countless times over the years. You can't help but be drawn in and compelled by the world.
Even the sort TV series was excellent!
@@funkyfurballs1078 i was sold for like begining 4/5ths of the tv series but it felt totally wet noodle at the end.. All is well that ends well. Felt it didnt end well. But the ending was closer to the book ending ill give it that.
As a child the sets blew my mind!
There's a 3 hour fan edit that is amazing. It actually makes sense because it ties in a lot of deleted scenes to make a coherent story.
@@UteChewb On the tv series or the original movie?
One of my favorite movies of all time. Actually shaped my life and perceptions as I was a teen when it came out. Some were confused by this movie. Without reading the book, I understood it implicitly. It was not afraid to try new things. I 💘 David Lynch! Long live Blue Velvet!
Watching Dune as a kid in the 80's, I thought it was simply awesome. Not sure why so many critics found it 'too confusing'. I would still rank it as one of the greatest sci-fi movies of all time, with so many iconic characters and scenes. Hard to imagine the new version will hold up in comparison, though I'll try to be open-minded.
Imo the new one is better
@@LuigiGamesful If you wanna take a nap
@@1165slugman That's a bit harsh
I agree with you, critics recently seem to be too concerned with other critics opinions and it seems they only want to come up with some witty criticism that will draw attention to them. I guess nobody gets famous for praising a film but they might for panning it.
I saw the 84 film in the theatre when I was 14 and I had little memory of it aside from thinking it was bad, there were some worms and Sting was in a metal bikini. I just rewatched it and it was even worse than I remembered. The script is crap… there’s almost as much voiceover and inner dialogue than actual speaking, the actors are mostly talented but give wooden performances, which I assume was a deliberate directorial choice. The villains are cartoonishly laughable and ridiculous while also being problematic and homophobic. Kyle McLaughlin is handsome but has no charisma and you just don’t care about him as lead character. The effects are dated but that’s forgivable for a 40 year old film. The costumes and sets were mostly okay but they did add to the somewhat camp vibe of the whole movie. I think they tried to cram too much into the film and just had a very bizarre way of dealing with sci-fi as ‘strange’ as opposed to trying to ground it into something believable and real for audiences. Rewatching the film I had to stop and start it again just to force myself to get through it.
Dune is a movie you can watch over again and again it’s that good. The Spice Must Flow!
I'm folding space right now, in ma navigator 1st class PJs
I watched it twice and will never watch it again. Never.
Yep.... I agree other commenters...2 viewings of Dune is enough.....seeing Paul's little sister in a culturally-appropriated burka twice is enough for me.
@@goobfilmcast4239 Stop with the PC Cultural appropriation nonsense. I've seen black people want white people to cut their dreadlocks because it was a black thing. Druid Priests wore them. Hebrew priests did.
Not me,Brah.Not me,Brah.
You forgot to mention the soundtrack that makes the overall feeling of the movie somewhat different.
By Toto, I liked it.
We're not in Kansas anymore Toto
This movie is like lady gaga, either you like it, or you hate it.
They created a unique sound environment for each of the three planets. When you arrive at Harkonnen it's very scary as if you're in the realm of a black widow spider. I've seen very few movies that equalled what this did. Too bad many simply could not connect.
I thought the soundtrack was great. Created a great and unique feel. Very immersive.
I watched this movie so many times, and I enjoyed every second of it.
Me too. Dozens of times. Roomies were not thrilled. Hehe
I'm currently reading Dune, and I always liked the David Lynch film, but I'm only 120 pages in and I can see how much detail was left out, Dune really is an entire universe, not just any sci-fi novel.
"Father, the sleeper has awakened!"
The penis has arisen
Intriguing. Have you "awakened" ? There was a message in that original line to the reader (of the original books) !!!!!
@@JamesSmith-mv9fp I'm quoting my favorite sci-fi movie and Paul's message is loud and clear. I don't need some pompous pedant trying to convince me how smart he is.
@@robertagren9360 😐
When i was a kid around 4 years old, this was my Frozen. I would just watch it on repeat for hours lol
Have you read the book?
@@TheKrackalack Many times.
@@TheKrackalack The best novel ever written. All fiction is a story about what it means to be human. Nothing gives as much depth of the human experience as Frank Herbert's Dune series. He discusses issues which are universal to the human experience and will remain relevant for all time.
He explores the most fundamental aspect of all life: scarcity. The books extrapolate a plausible future of interstellar human societies by projecting present technology and fundamental human drives over tens of thousands of millennia.
He uses his deep understanding of current day politics, language, and history to build a world with more depth than any other yet conceived. He explores the inevitable conflicts which AI will yield for mankind. Almost no aspect of humanity or technology is left untouched: genetic engineering, religion, war, economics, ecology, resource competition, energy, evolution, chemistry, biology, space travel.
And the through-line of it all (the first book anyway) is Paul. His story is the tale of a boy's transition into manhood. As a boy, Paul must endure trials to become a man -- each more harrowing than the last. We witness Paul as he masters his own animal nature by resisting the urges of the flesh in deference to his own will. As Paul's experience of life grows, his relationship to his family and his history evolves. In short order he becomes a ruthless warrior in service to freeing mankind from the depredations of corporate and Imperial greed which manipulates the supply of the most valuable substance in the known universe: the spice.
The Spice controls most of the motivation of the humans in Dune in the same way that oil controls the humans in our time. It's not a coincidence that the Spice is under the sands of a desert planet. Herbert doesn't bother to hide that analogy -- he wants you to know that's his intent. He heavily sprinkles Arabic terms for names of items and events on Arrakis. The novel is the first time I ever saw the word Jihad in print -- and I'm not sure I had ever even heard of it at that time (in the early 80s).
Dune is one of the top 5 books that changed how I view my world. It described perfectly the manner in which I viewed the events I was experiencing in my life as Paul experienced his own. I was around the age of Paul when Dune begins. I had come to conclusions about life which most boys my age don't discover until much later. As I read Dune, it was like Herbert's understanding was parallel to my own.
We both understood that it often takes severe circumstances to provoke a person to become the best version of themselves. Herbert called it, "The Agony" as a metaphor. I understood his premise well. Too well. I was born with a mind which outstripped anyone's ability to moderate it -- least of all me. At a young age I understood that one day I was going to die -- to cease to exist. That knowledge has been a constant companion. I never had the luxury of most young men -- to believe that they're immortal.
As time passed, there were many agonies along the way. Some of them were more harsh than most people could cope with -- and I didn't cope with them well myself until I made the decision to fight. It was in those years the the words of Fight Club, years hence, would succinctly put the lessons I learned the hard way: "Until you lose everything, you're not free to do anything." My lowest point was when I thought I was going to be legitimately murdered by classmates (they called my house anonymously and assured me and my parents of their designs).
It's now 30-odd years since those days. I solved that problem and many more. I still remain. I have a success of sorts -- my life is better than my early plans but now my plans are for more.
Dune is a book which every young man should read. It might give some of them a better understanding of life and what it means to endure life's various agonies.
I remember watching this as a kid.. the main story wasn't too hard to follow even for a 10 yr old.. great movie that still holds up reasonably well.
This video was put together so well. Thanks!
I watched this movie in the cinema when I was eight years old and I understood everything perfectly, years later I read the books and started to like it even more, the movie is amazing. I love this movie, I love the Frank Herbert novel it was based on, and I don't give a damn what critics think or say. "The sleeper must awaken", lol.
"He who rules the spice, rules the Universe."
Same. I was a kid when I saw it and understood it fine. The trick is simply to pay attention to the couple of infodumps at the start of the movie.
Hmm. I read the book as a ~18 kid and loved it. Never watched the movie because everybody said it sucked, though when I think about it I never knew anybody that had seen it. Now I'm thinking I'm going to watch it this weekend.
@@codediporpal it is actually very good. Everything was well done with the exception of the Sandworms. But the sets, and layouts. The costumes, the designes, are all extraordinary for the time. The lack of a high standard of quality on the worms. It is still a phenomenal effort at rendering Herberts magnificent work on film. So much so that@ I watched this scifi opus a minimum of one hundred times. Denis interpretation needs three films, at least, to bring Herberts genius to life. Cheers!
Same. The movie is amazing, the books even better.
I've watched last starfighter and dune along with star wars when I was a kid in 80s 90s . That was a prime time for sci Fi movies . This one still watch over and over.
rubbish! 56 to 68 that was prime time for si-fi films. last starfighter, dune and star wars are just childish fantasy films! they even star children.
Last starfighter is one of the most fun movies I've seen. Right up there with dune
@@thewizzard3150 There were plenty of stinkers from that era too: "Invasion of the Star Creatures", "Last Woman on Earth", "Night Caller from Outer Space". Also some very good ones: "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea", "The Time Machine", "Planet of the Apes"
@@luisderivas6005 you missed the worst one. Plan 9 from outer space, but the point is prime time was was not 80 thru 90's.
I saw this in the theater with my mom when I was ten. Wonderful memories. Thanks Frank and Dave!
The 1980's movie Dune, that I was able to see in the theater, was my absolutely favorite! The story and cinematography blew my mind. I wish everyone could see the original in the theater. My family and I love to quote lines from the original.
It‘s one of the most rewatchable movies of all time.
I have seen it 25 times at least.
It is one of the few movies that I actually bought a dvd.
You misspelled unwatchable.
If you love a laugh...
@@RideAcrossTheRiver my sympathies
I don't understand how people, especially someone in the industry like Roger Ebert, can't follow a film like Dune.
It is possible if you haven't read the books.
Any movie he reviewed where he had to THINK or try to understand a complex story, he hated. Especially Sci-fi movies. The first Critic-troll.
Roger Ebert called John Carpenter's ''The Thing'', I quote: ''A mindless gorefest.'', that should you tell anything you need to know about ''professional critics''.
@@doublep1980 not every movie is made for everyone and Unpopular opinion exists
Robert Ebert was so overrated and just a pretentious douchebag
Excellent review. Very professional.
I watched Lynch's Dune after some of his other movies. Must say, I understood more of it that the others. Though I did like it. They are all enjoyable as a sort of psychedelic experience. Twin Peaks is the most understandable of what I have seen of his. It is always the characters and their mysterious behavior that I like I think.
I'm a major Star Wars fan and I love DUNE. The brilliance of the 80's is that we had all of these things to dig!
I saw both in-theatre! So sorry I missed 1982 _Blade Runner._
Star Wars was mainstream. The Dune series of books by Frank Herbert was aimed at Science Fiction Fans and contained some important warnings and messages to the reader, particularly the warning about the current Human insane pursuit of A.I.
Dune doesn't have anything on Star Wars tho
@@benjackman4814 It's not expected to
Agreed. I would have loved to have watched Baron Harkonnen's huge home and business HQ on Geidi Prime get destroyed by Duke Leto Atreides as the equivalent of an exploding Death Star. OTOH just to watch a weight-challenged bully like Baron Harkonnen get killed by a little girl and her needle weapon was worth waiting for:
Honestly, the original Dune movie was likely my most favorite movie of all time...
The acting, the music score, the story, the sets, etc. it was ALL powerful and well done. Yes, I've never read the book, so I can understand some book purists might not have liked it, we often don't like movies that don't match a book we liked, but as a movie, it was literally EPIC.
I'm less upset over the adaptations in this movie than Lord of the Rings
The movie got me interested enough to read the book, and in retrospect, the movie is a highlight reel of some interesting stuff that happened, but it's extremely incomplete and omits a lot of important information, and would be pretty disappointing if you were expecting the grand and detailed book put to screen. I saw the movie first though, which allows me to enjoy it. It's a mess but it's a beautiful mess. That said, there's so much more there, and I'm really interested to see what Villeneuve can create.
I've read the books. The de Laurentis version of this is one of my all-time favorite movies, so I'm in no way upset with Lynch's adaptation. I's a difficult story to adapt because Frank Herbert has so much important detail in the expositions of the novel. By comparison, Tolkien created a world with several thousands of years of history and lore, linguistic and literary development, species and calendars, and supernatural origins. Most of this doesn't have to be completely delved into in order to understand the action. Herbert created entire planets, ecologies, cultures, and political systems that all have to be understood, at least on a superficial level, to follow what's going on.
@@jimpemberton that comparison with LOTR is interesting, it's much easier to understand a fantasy setting than a sci-fi one and thus the sci-fi would require more explaining and therefore harder to adapt without resorting to expostion dialogue...
How Lynch tackle the peesonal shields are good but leaves out the impact the technology has had on combat
How did you understand the movie if you never read the book?
So many things are unexplained in the movie that if you didn’t read the book you’d have no idea what is going on.
It's one of my favourite movies of my youth, watched it many times. Loved it.
I saw it today and I think the first half of the film is one of the most beauatiful and captivating experiences I´ve had, I was so interested in every part of the story. But then, everything started to go so fast and soon it would become a mess. To me it was clear, even without knowing anything from this film, that there was some studio interference, rushing and sabotaging this great movie.
I still loved it, though, for its soundtrack, sound engneering, cinematography, beauty, acting and story (The first half of the film).
Funny how beauty is in the eye of the beholder, for me its one of the best films ever made.
Straight!
Really?! Alright! Cool I think I'll check it out now btw in October a remake is coming out with people you know
@@travisbaker7547 it's not a remake
@@griffinmitchell3882 it came out in '85 it's comin' out now whata you want from me 💁🏻♀️
@@travisbaker7547 didn't mean to sound douchie just saying the new dune looks likes a more accurate adaption of book compared to the lynch version. So that's why I wouldn't call it a remake
Francesca Annis as Jessica was probably on e of the best castings of all times, as well as Sian Phillips' portrayal of RM Mohiam
One gorgeous chick.
Yes to that!
Isn't she, so beautiful,, Francesca..back then, haven't seen her in much for years, Dec. 2020..
yeah Sian Phillips, wife of.. someone they have probably heard of. I assume he means famous to younger American audiences. I applaud his script, elsewhere: written by Ben Cantler
Phillips played Smiley's wife opposite Alec Guinness -- RIP John le Carre
Yes but Kenneth McMillan's turn as Baron Harkonnen was even more memorable.
Came here after the screening of Villeneuve's part 2. It was glorious.
" a Star Wars for adults" is exactly how I thought of it. I was a teen when I saw this movie (probably stoned) and I loved it. The atmosphere is so dark and weird, and the story is so epic and tragic, almost like a play. There's a lot of important characters to keep track of, knowing who everyone is and there role is cruciall to understanding the story. I had to watch it several times before I really understood everything. Great movie I always go back and watch every few years. 4K release just came out in August !
Y gross
I don't care what anyone says. I still think Lynch's Dune is a good movie.
Absolutely with you on this watched it so many times when growing up got nothing but love for this film. This is one of my all time favourites.
Me too! Watched it many times over and will continue to do so!
I agree, I watched it loads as a kid so maybe the nostalgia hits, but I still enjoy it
Me too . Also Hyped for the new Version .
Straight up!
The best part is when "Captain Picard" begs to kill Sting.
ATOMICS....
@@johndeeter4030 ua-cam.com/video/cAS4pJmuHAM/v-deo.html
There’s a cut scene when Gurney recites a poem after Duke Leto gives him a task. That was Stewart getting his Shakespeare on…
@@robertbusek30 I've seen it. Stewart really is a great actor.
@@erictaylor5462 Lynch, in my opinion, has a talent for finding great actors and pulling their best out of them. He does this a lot with Maclachlan.
I saw this movie at the cinema when it was released and I was 13 years old. It blew me away and I've always wondered why people couldn't follow the plot. I hadn't read the books and yet found the movie incredible. It's one of my absolute favourite movies to this day.
As a person who has never read Dune, I LOVE Lynch's Dune!! does a good job to draw in a new reader.
In spite of its shortcomings and mistakes, David Lynich nonetheless got a lot of things right.
Original-plot-interpreted mistakes and flaws*.
“.......and why; that’s a good thing!”
It's horrendous
he definetly gave the whole movie good vibes....creating a great atmosphere
I actually liked Dune, some people do, while some don't, that's not a problem, the new version seems to copy the old movie but everyone seems to love the new movies look, but it's copying the old movies tone look and story. I guess they think the story will be different but it probably won't and maybe the new version fixes the old versions flaws that others didn't enjoy except only a few fans.
"He who controls the spice, controls the universe!"
"The spice must flow."
I can’t help but remember that damn SouthPark episode now....
Spice melange
🧂
@@boscochou9710 EON- The Spice Must Flow 1991
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I recently watched this adaptation. Let's not kid ourselves, it's not great. But there are elements to appreciate in it for sure. The first half of the story sets up the world decently, and some of the special effects work is still appreciable to this day.
But man does it fall off a cliff after Paul meets the fremen. The pacing becomes absolutely bonkers immediately. I don't think I've ever seen a movie this rushed and this unfulfilling in its conclusion.
Thank god Villeneuve was given an actual shot at making this work. I feel for Lynch and the impossible task he was given.
I haven't watched it in years but I remember loving Toto's music and the scene with the emperor and Guild navigator in particular.
And part 2 has been officially announced!
What I find hilarious is that I was 14 at the time, had never even heard of the books at that point, and I had absolutely no problem understanding the movie. It seems like maybe the "adults" of the 80's aren't as bright as they thought they were.
Same, i was a kid when i watched this movie, had no problem understanding the plot and loved it. It was a gateway to the novels and everything Dune. Still one of my favorite movies.
good movie i don't get how people became confused of the plot but, it was amazing and hope to see it again.
same love this film.
it was the lead in the gas, you didnt have enough time inhaling it before it was banned
Fourteen year olds are kind of dumb. They don’t require complexity. The film was overly-simplistic. Perfect match for you.
Dune is one those movies you can watch again and again with more pleasure each time.
"Dune is one of those movies *I can watch over and over again."
Fixed that for you
Literally couldn't get through it once.
Watched before reading the book, hated it so much I couldn't get through it, read the book and loved it.
IDK why everyone shills some much for lynch, his adaptation of the book is complete garbage.
@@ShirleyTimple There was nothing to fix, stop fighting with the wind.
@@moiaimermusique5628 go watch your abomination of a film, lol
Great documentary on the making of it. Thanks.
This was so strange to see.
As a kid, Dune was one of my favourite films ever, but it took years upon years to even dare try the books, the franchise was grown so huge. It always has made sense to me through, reading the books themselves felt more like exposition on what I had grown up knowing. I see Jorobowski's vision, I see how he felt it deseved that length, I see how it deserved a trilogy, a quadriliogy even, but growing up, watching it maybe twice a year it was always something to look forward to. That single film against the series of Star Wars, of Star Trek, for a film that deserved more of everything it did more than just hold it's ground, it excelled, it stood out as an artistic, andI mean trruly artistic, sci-fi monolith.
If the forthcoming adaptation is even remotely as good I daresay it will be the film of the century.
I watched it as a kid and really liked it. Read the book years later. I’m still a fan and looking forward to the new interpretation as well
David lynch's version is simply epic imo. Never having read the books so I haven't had anything to compare it to. Since 1st watching it I've found the deleted scenes version which do add in extra detail.
The studio shafted David and his vision. It would have been a masterpiece
the book is better than the movie, which is incredibly high praise considering the high bar the movie has set...sadly though the series goes down hill and anything after the third book can pretty much just be ignored.
@@Arkenite Can't agree, Children of Dune kind of still bores me for some reason, I have a hard time getting through that episode. I love Heretics of Dune, a totally
solid entry in the series, which would make a fantasic film, and God Emperor is a classic, even though it lacks action, etc. Chapterhouse starts off well, then lapses into stupid action cliches at the end.
The original 5 Books written by Frank Herbert (who was also a Scientist a Biologist from memory) of which the movie was only the 1st book. Also contained messages and warnings to the reader. The most important being that Mankind's pursuit of A.I will result in our Armageddon. So in the storyline of the books, a futuristic solution to our real world dilemma today, is that Humans have had too mutate themselves into various aspects of the technology we need, if we are to continue with the space going culture already then in place.
We finally got an incredible adaptation of DUNE
Just re watched this version this weekend.. Wickedly entertaining! I did enjoy the 2021 as well.
Dune blew me away & I still love it. David Lynch did an amazing job adapting an incredibly hard book to adapt.
It still is my favorite SF movie. Amazing set designs and great story
It's a great movie ! Remember seeing this on vhs back when released for rental, from an actual video store. Still a great movie.
One of my top 3 Favorite Movies All Time!
When you consider the fact that a sizable chunk of the population of the Dune universe do crazy mind altering drugs on a daily basis, David Lynch's version is probably closer to what it would've been like living there than the other adaptations.
We need 4k edition of Lynch cut with all the scenes Lynch shoot, hope it will have at least 4 hours to make a more complete story.
Agreed. There are countless movies out there that are made to be shorter than what was shot as the Studeos and Producers think we people would get bored. I love longer movies and would like to see all of DUNE's stories in two or more movies. Lord of the Rings is one movie that is long, although I heard that even those movies had almost two hours of its shoots scrapped.
Was a site that had the full version of the movie with all the cut footage added back but I can't find the site anymore
There’s no 4 hour cut. There was a rough assembly cut shown to executives, but this was trimmed down and then edited. There’s no deleted footage hidden. The deleted scenes were shown for the first time in 2006.
@@frodo322 Thank you.
@@eDDyL666 Most of these sites are now blocked in most countries due to copyright issues. Maybe thats why, inless it was a Paid Site?
Regardless of how you feel about the movie, if you're a reader or even just a fan of sci-fi I HIGHLY recommend the novels. All of them. They're incredible.
Did you like Foundation? I've only listened to the first book on audible. The whole time I was thinking of Dune, which I've tried to read and watch several times but with no success, but it does a good job of being completely different, yet similar.
I always liked David Lynch's Dune. It blew me away as a kid.
Have some appreciation for the vision, art and beauty of David Lynch's Dune...it was probably one of the hardest novels to transcend to the screen and as far as Im concerned, it's a masterpiece. Everything in this movie (apart from a few minor blue screen issues) from the screenplay, to the sound, costumes, sets, music and ultimately David Lynch's unique directing spin is brilliant and unique and the likes will never be seen again. Okay it may have not impressed the masses as they were probably too ignorant or they themselves lacked enough vision, but remember this was made in 1984 and I don't think audiences were prepared for a movie this deeply surreal and complex...almost religious in experience. In my mind, whoever doesn't appreciate the work that was done in this movie really doesn't understand the work.
can't agree with this more. its an amazing film
I love this movie. Also, how is folding space to travel less "technologically advanced' than actually having to move at warp/hyperdrive?
I think folding space is more mysterious and advanced!
Whatever can be achieved first is less technologically advanced.
The effects were, or appeared, less technically advanced. Frankly, the shot shown, of all the ships "loading" into the carrier, was not well explained in the film and the carrier looked like a matte painting from the 1950s, it had no presence on the screen, no feel, no bulk. It looked flat and it made the scene flat.
Because it’s predicated on a mystical/psychic foundation. The Guild Navigators are the ones dong the folding and transporting, not the ships themselves.
@@ShaunHensley So a lunar landing and dual flyby of Jupiter were less advanced than the Shuttle.
Love this channel!
The set design and costumes were absolutely beautiful in this movie, a real feast for the eyes, and there were some great casting choices. Otherwise it is a confusing, frustrating mess. It could have been so much better if it had been extended over three movies.
The extended version provides a nice history of the Dune universe in the beginning of the movie, which I think would have helped the audience understand the world they were in.
The original Dune movie was over 7 hours long
@@adamd839 Almost as if it should have been 2 movies.
Thumbs up for extended cut.
The extended cut was so bad that Lynch took his name off it.
"Wild at Heart" was also an adapted project, as it was based on Barry Gifford's 1989 novel.
and it's also a fucking mess lol
@@aftermath4096Still a solid movie though IMO. It has been years since I have seen it, kinda want to give it a rewatch.
There's no other film in cinema history that starts off with someone's head being kicked in.
It's loosely beased on the wizard of Oz.
@@aftermath4096 If by mess you mean masterpiece then yes.
Funny the other adaptations borrowed from Lynch's version, the miniseries borrowed the Baron's floater and borrowed some of the music cues, and the new movie borrowed the nose plugs from Lynch's version
I had to stop and watch dune again lol, ty for the mini doc and nostalgia this was great
I loved this movie when it was released, I was about 8 years old at the time. I loved the dark, dirty, and gritty aspect of the entire film. I dont care what anyone else thinks of this movie, I think it is a great movie, and a great success.
Me too. The movie was facinating and i read all the books after seeing it.
I love it
Seek out the fan edit of this movie, professionally edited- in extra scenes, unofficial,but out there....
@@pauloxford8654 I'll look for it
>>> Dune isn't for "newbies", I love it since I was a child in the 80s.
I remember seeing toys for Dune at Toys-R-Us back then so it was interesting that they were saying it was "Star Wars" for adults.
well i was born in 80 so i didnt have a chance to fall in love with it until the 90s
@@VirtualHolocaust Yeah, it was the Sandworm toy they had. I wonder how much one of those would go for today?
Same here. Very impactful movie. Can't say I got it, but I for sure felt it.
I was 14 at the time and had never heard of the books and had no problem understanding the movie.
(sigh) Me and my long comments...
I still recall seeing one of the novels on a small carousel in my high school library. It was a feeble contraption which had room for about 20 paperbacks. An English class assignment was to choose a novel and write an essay on it. The year was around 1975 and the only thing that kept me from grabbing "Dune" was the fact that "2001: ASO" was just above it. That movie perplexed me for at least two decades and I thought I could learn a thing or two from the book that the movie (well, my teen-aged mind) couldn't spell out in obvious detail. Either novel would have earned me the D+ I earned because even as a now soon-to-be 61-year-old who feels he has come to a satisfactory conclusion about either story, I would have given myself a D+ for my obviously short-sighted reading of "2001: ASO". It wasn't laziness. I was simply unable to wrap my head around such a rich novel. I look forward to Villeneuve's vision. The trailer is impressive.
I wish they would make a movie or Expanse-like TV series of Asimov's Foundation Trilogy. It's one of the greatest epic sci-fi masterpieces, but it's mostly forgotten now.
apple TV is releasing this exact idea in a few weeks lol.
Thank you, will seek it out, love Lynchs Dune
This video got me addicted to the Dune game franchise which stretched into Command and Conquers.
Those games were awesome.
They still are awesome. They're considered "abandonware" and can be found for free on the web.
A cult classic that made me understand the meaning of that expression. I must have watched it a dozen times at least.
It's a flawed film, but there are some truly magical moments where it comes together, and the music suits the mood & visuals perfectly.
I saw it in the theatre and have been a fan ever since... so there..
I for one loved the film, and wished it had greater appreciation.
David Lynch "Dune" has rightly carved a place in history. Its distinct, clean, well performed with confidence. A stage play, caught on celluliod. Role play rather than acting. Dune has no equal... dune needs no equal.
Honestly David Lynch nailed it...Yes he took artistic license with the material, but its all the better for it. The "officially more accurate" later versions left me cold...dull and boring compared to Lynch's version. I absolutely love the movie. Screw it if it offends some Dune books purist nerds....books often don't translate well into movies...Lynch got it right and he should have made the sequels.
PS: Dune book purists....your ideas suck and your versions are about as fun to watch as a static on a broken CRT TV for 10hrs.
I haven’t read the book and I like the movie much like you but I would disagree that the changes are necessarily better. For example the weirding module which I don’t love or hate. I see how it’s sort of an unneeded change that doesn’t add much. And the ending spoilers is also questionable. I think it’s sort of cool but kinda cheesy. Not sure how I stand on it.
@@hiverhythm all the nerd versions I saw were boring...Lynch made his version fun.
The end is a bit bombastic but I'll agree it was fun.
@@brokeandtired I wonder if people like yourself also think Blade Runner is bad since it's not filled with ridiculous, over-flambouyant art-house crap.
I saw it in the theater opening weekend. They had these small informative pamphlets that explained the world and had a glossary when you bought your tickets.
Lynch's Dune is such a great film despite it's unfortunate perceived flaws, mainly due to Lynch being undermined by the studio execs. I remember renting Dune on VHS tape from BlockBuster video in the mid to late 80's and being completely drawn in by the story and visuals on the first view and that's without ingesting any mind altering substances. Some people just love to hate on Dune because perhaps their intellects cannot support and interpret a film like Dune. Over the years I've purchased and viewed numerous versions of Dune, but I always return to and enjoy the original the most, Lynch's Dune. I've seen the new 2021 Dune twice, but it just didn't draw me in the way Lynch's Dune did. The new Dune seemed polite and diluted when compared to Lynch's vision. The sets and acting were just plain and uninspiring and the "star" filled cast just left me kinda flat. But the new Dune is being hailed as a "Masterpiece". So I guess the new Dune was crafted for the mainstream and those intellects that can support and appreciate such a film. "The Sleeper Must Awaken"!!!!
I love the books and Lynch's movie still has a special place in my heart. The trick is to not compare the two.
>>> OUTSTANDING sound track.
honestly yes, on par with lord of the rings for me.
those "strange voice overs" are what makes the movie a classic
Dune starts with a lecture on planetary relationship. Yawning starts and doesn't stop
I have reed all of Frank Herbert's writing and really do love this version of Dune much more than the miniseries. I agree that this movie was a difficult slog-through at first, but it remains one of my favorite movies of all time. And I say this as a lifelong Star Wars fan.
I agree that Lynch is way better than miniseries. I like the new movie about the same as Lynch for different reasons.
To be fair, the mini series was done on a much smaller budget and did a pretty good job all things considered, especially because there was more time to tell the story that is difficult to do in a single movie. The new Dune movie has been split into 2 parts, I watched the first part but while it had very high quality visuals, I didn't care for it as much. Maybe I'm in the minority. I think most younger viewers are gushing over it.
What the hell does it say about me after hearing all of this that I got the movie immediately I thoroughly enjoyed it and it has stayed with me the rest of my life.
Nothing really.
You are better than most humans who can not appreciate fine art without a flashy light show. We are on a level above them, more intelligent, rational, wise and noble with fine personal qualities and high moral principles. :)
It says you're one cool open minded free spirited intellectually sophisticated person
It says you're easily influenced. Careful with that.
@@dandavis8300 HOW DOES IT SAY THAT??????
I agree, hope they make a series and go in depth with the adaptation
One of my all time favs, not sure what JoBlo is on about here, watched it as a kid and rewatched it many times over the years. still one of my top 10.
IMO an excellent version with the right cast. Will see about the latest effort
When this came out in 1984 i recall it didnt light up the interest of most people.
It was like they were - '' travelling without moving '' :-)
I was 13 when I went to see it in the cinema by myself, having never read the book and knowing nothing about the story. It was not "impenetrable" once you accepted the basic premises. Everything made sense, because Lynch relied on body language and context as well as dialogue.
I saw it as a child and i love the movie till today.
I would love to see everything they shot!
I visited Universal Studios in 1984, and remember seeing posters for Dune as an upcoming movie, as they were really pushing it. I was about 10 years old. The movie seemed to come and go, and I missed it in the theaters. In the following years, it would show up here and there on TV, and I would always catch it. It took a long time for my young brain to piece the plot together, but it was intriguing to watch every time. Lynch created a cult classic with enduring appeal and Easter egg performances by some of our most beloved actors.
When I was young this movie was extremely hard for me to wrap my head around but I did like the sand worms.🐛🐛
I feel like that's the publics take on dune as a whole lol
I was the same way...glad I didn’t watch Twin Peaks until I was older...
@@adamwest8711 I keep hearing about how good that show is I've watched a couple of episodes of redlettermedia talking about it should I invest the time?
@@blackstonejones3200 I think it’s worth it. You have to kind of just suspend all belief or expectations to get the most out of it. Some of the acting comes across as slightly wooden or off somehow but I’ve never been sure how much of that was Lynch’s intention given the esoteric nature of the rest of the show.
A long winded way of saying yes!
It still is for me. I keep falling asleep trying to watch it. I feel like it’s a good movie but just not for me I suppose
Nothing compares to the book, however the best version of the 84' film is a fan edit called "Dune 1984 Alternative Edition Redux", and is still here on youtube. It's very good and worth the watch. We all longed for a true Director's cut, but without that, this edit pieces together the most comprehensive, logical, & entertaining version.
Reading all the books in order was the most entertaining for me. Enlightening.
Thats the only version I watched.. I loved it♥️.. How long is the original Dune? You know?
@@BryanDunne the Lynch module still requires a kind of mental and physical mastery to activate with the weapon. Otherwise it doesn’t work. I think it’s good.
@@BryanDunne well. I feel the module is actually an improvement. Herbert is suggesting by training you can give ordinary men in almost godlike power. That just seems a bit unbalanced. The machine roots that power with a combination of technology and self control which I like.
@@BryanDunne ok fine you win. I’m not sure how you would show this on film though. Bearded men shouting at Harkonnen soldiers who then explode I suppose.
One of my favorite films of all time, if I start watching it is until the very end.
Lynch Dune is phenomenal and new Dune is phenomenal too. The new Dune takes more cues from 84 Dune than it does from the Jodorowsky sketches and production notes. The music in 84 Dune is one of the greatest epic scores ever and the visuals/acting performances in the new Dune are astounding. Costume and set design in 1984 Dune were A+++++++.
Phenomenal? I think you are a bit optimistic honestly. The books are just far superiors in every aspects. Nothing compared to amazing movies like Blade runner that simply gave a completely new dimension to the book. Dunes books are just too good for Hollywood, especially the Hollywood of today that is not even worth it's own shadow. The last movie is not bad though, i have to admit, but it's just an enormous budget slapped on a scenario that was pretty much all written up for them. A Jodorowsky was a genius in scenario making, sadly only very few actually knows, and Moebius that could have told people also passed away. The 70 is long gone anyway.
@@lucidd4103 I would easily say aspects of Lynch's Dune are phenomenal. The sets, costumes and score are brilliant, as is some of the general art direction. Lynch brings a mixed bag himself, personally I think it's a more memorable movie for his weirdness but I get how people who are bigger Dune fans than Lynch fans hate that aspect (I love both). The acting performances are a mixed bag from amazing to pretty bad. Screenplay is mostly hindered by it being one long film. The main reason it was a "flop" and "hated" at the time was because it wasn't Star Wars. The movie viewing public didn't know Jodorowsky or Moebius from a hole in the ground, much as I adore them personally. Alien and Aliens succeeded because they weren't marketed and commercialized as Star Wars but as something completely different. Dune had merch ready to go that looked interchangable with Kenner's Star Wars figs and Topps Star Wars trading cards.