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“Hi, I’m Brainiac, the smartest being in existence. My troops and vehicles have these glowing purple weak spots, but they are decoys, I swear, don’t bother shooting them. Also, when I face you myself, I 100% am not going to copy the battle tactics of a foe that you have already bested, because I am really smart, so don’t expect that, because it’s not going to happen. I’m really smart.”
It’s worst that he has the strongest superheroes in the entire universe, yet doesn’t utilize them all at once against literal low tier villains…instead each one dies right in front of him, and yet we’re left to imagine that Brainiac still has the upper hand.
This is probably going to be an Anthem situation where the team only got to really start working and had only one year to finish the game. You can see it, game was clearly made in 1/2 years.
When I first started the brainiac fight and he turned into flash I thought “yeah ok he’s obviously gonna be a combination of all the JL. Kinda lame, kinda repetitive but whatever” and then…. It was just the flash
I feel like they could have avoided at least some of the controversy by just saying this is a different universe than the arkham games. Obviously after playing a trilogy of games set in that world and with those characters it's understandable that it leaves a little sour taste in your mouth to say "Oh, off screen everything you did in those games fell apart afterwards, Brainiac is in charge now and you should go kill Batman" Like using the 'Arkhamverse' as a selling point only works if you are paying respect to the games that came before.
I remember day dreaming about what rocksteadys next game would be back when Arkham knight came out. Little did I know we would have to wait 9 years for a mean spirited, live service, looter shooter
Also, the dead of our beloved Kevin Conroy, the actual Batman, the best voice actor for Batman, and the dead of arkhamverse Batman in the most disrespectful way. Let's also don't forget what they did to the rest of JL members, killing them before before getting a character development, and died so easily and making fun of them. They destroyed all the character development they did on Batman for 4 games, 5 if we count Blackgate. And the redcon of Deadshot
@@alexregele22 And they undid poison ivy’s sacrifice in Arkham knight. Also how are there Black Mask weapons if Redhood killed him in Arkham knight’s DLC?!
I also hate the plot holes for instance Harley thinks planting a bomb in kid Ivy is messed up yet her and Joker gave a 5yr old Titan claiming it to be medicine if u listen to the audio tapes in Batgirl DLC. This universe's version of Harley is meant to be messed up and evil yet there so desperate in turning her into the mainstream anti-hero version we keep seeing lately and it does not work.
The one thing I could say to defend it is that she’s not with Joker anymore and it’s been 5 years since his death, and that also that was like year one Harley when she was uncontrollably obsessed and under his thumb. And also too Ivy is her friend and with the new beginnings for both these characters she doesent want to fall back into old habits or be defined as Villains and Criminals again. But also too this game is a joke and the writers are miserable at their job.
Alot of stuff was made non canon before suicide squad even the assult in Arkham movie and a Majority of the Arkham comics where made non canon which hurts my soul because Arkham Knight Genises is no longer canon most of it eas made non canon before ssktj even started development
It just feels so obvious that this game went right into production after 2016’s Suicide Squad movie and WB wanted them to shoehorn in the most successful parts of it
Ship of Theseus - The co-founders left Rocksteady Games in 2022 and took with them the most talented developers. Warner Bros hired whoever they could to get the game out the door. End of story.
You know what would’ve been a far more compelling narrative? An old, heroic Batman coming out of hiding to help the Justice League fight off the Brainiac invasion.
@@MTMuppet I had the same exact thought bro omfg what we're they smoking when they were making this game.🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ Just like that one Justice League Online game where Lex Luthor and Batman come from an alternate earth in the future and Batman is part machine now because he's been to war Edit: I just realized too in that game they were also fighting Brainiac and Kevin Conroy was the VA of Batman 😂😂
@@streetside2833pretty much switch Batman and Wonder Woman's roles because Brainiac only wants the meta humans with God like powers. Have Batman ultimately sacrifice himself at some point in the story.
@@jimmyv3170 Wonder Woman having Athena's Blessing makes her being the one unaffected actually correct. Like others have pointed out, her character was given the most thought when it came to respecting the character and history. Its great they did it for her - but that should hold true for the entire JL here, especially Bats.
This is what happens when mega corporations decide a games identity rather than passionate devs. They always seem choose live service money pit garbage over fun, good and inspired.
Eh, I hate to break it to you but WB let Rocksteady have full creative freedom. The story, characters, and tone were all the work of the "passionate devs". They were PROUD of this.
@@WobblesandBeanWhat are you talking about? A WB executive literally confirmed as early as this past November that WB games will double down on only making live service games
“It’s not fair to hold this game accountable for not being what we wanted it to be.” It’s also not fair for them to expect me to buy this game either 🤷🏻♂️
The thing that makes it worst for Batman's Death is that it's canonically the Arkham Batman...until this year he supposedly died in a heroic way in Arkham Knight, but they "revived" him explaining away his death as "oh he faked it and joined the Justice League" and then killed him again in the worst way possible...
I mean, it was kind of obvious he faked it at the end of arkham knight... there was even a secret ending that pretty much showed he was alive and using scarecrows gas to scare criminals.
One of the most egregious aspects of the game is it’s complete disregard of the Arkham universe, Harley Quinn being a perfect example. She lambasts Batman for causing criminals “long term emotional damage”. In this universe Harley has kidnapped, tortured, and murdered hundreds of people… Either the writers never played a previous Arkham game, or they simply disregarded the franchise’s history in order to tell their story. Regardless, it’s disrespectful and a complete failure of writing and storytelling.
They tried to make her into the Margot Robbie and Harley Quinn show versions where they have no agency over their own actions and were just being manipulated by the joker to appear more relatable to women who think they had a toxic relationship with a narcissistic man which is most women today. It's similar to how Deadshot in Arkham has been white for over a decade but apparently that was an imposter because they want the game version to look like will Smith. They obviously never played the old games or did research into the old games because Arkham Harley is one of the most evil versions of Harley, she literally tortured a child and their entire family. All of a sudden she hates Joker too when up to Arkham Knight she was still in love with him If you see the faces behind the development of this game it will explain a lot. Think about how Wonder Woman is treated like she's the protagonist of the Arkhamverse and not Batman and how she's the only hero there that gets a hero's send off where she sacrifices herself and isn't disrespected by the Suicide Squad during or after her death. Batman gets 🔫 on a park bench, green lanterns gets striped down to his draws and 🔫 in the head, Flash gets peed on and Supes just flops over and croaks like he's not the most powerful being there.
@@asdadsgsaadasf6043Not only that I watch a video talking about how some of the head devs while working on the game didn't have like the basic list of things to make and work toward in the game. Thwy were essentially just continuously adding more stuff as development went on hoping it would qll somehow mesh together later.
My problem is the main idea of the game: I don't want to kill the Justice League. I want to play as them. Say what you want about the Avengers game, at least you are the Avengers. You're using their powers and playing an Avengers story. This game, it's four villains, and their power is "gun."
I mean this game is literally a game titled the suicide squad kill the Justice league and you play the suicide squad killing the Justice league. Wanting a Justice league game is valid but holding that against this game is a little odd since it’s not like it’s deceptive marketing or anything
@@jeanv2246your missing the point. This game is in replace of a game the fans really wanted. We wanted a game where we could play these characters not kill them unceremoniously. I wanted to play the flash not piss on him, I wanted to use green lantern constructs not see fucking king shark take off and use the lantern ring. I wanted to use the lasso of truth and whip around enemies not be whipped around by wonder woman. I wanted to be able to take down brainiac as superman or batman not fucking kill them with little to no respect twords the characters. This game is already hinting at it not even being the real justice league or bringing them back in future seasons as non corrupted characters. It's shock value for shock value and its only showing what we could have actually had.
Yeah I mean I think that game sucks but it seemed like at least some of that team TRIED. Like it seemed like they genuinely tried to make that a good game, to make it the Avengers game everyone wanted, they failed sure but it’s still more than I can say for this disgusting mess
@@jeanv2246 lmao dude marketing and profit 101 is giving customers what they want. Giving us a product whose premise makes 0 sense or appeals to no one is stupid be fr
It's how the death is done, there's no respect. Arkham Batman isn't going out like this. Given his feats, the man is beating the Squad little to no diff.@@bobross8585
Considering Rocksteady once revived superhero games and brought them to the AAA space, I find it poignant to quote Harvey Dent after seeing their downfall: 'you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.'
Rocksteady has been dead for years. The people that made the good games in their catalog are long gone. This is just a shell of a company wearing their name.
Yup, the ones who remained sold their souls and diversity hires were brought in to push an agenda and corporate money making scheme. Same story as current Bungie.
@@Nobody-l7h So I shouldn’t expect a guy named King Shark, who looks like a shark and, generally speaking, identifies with sharks, to be able to swim? Seems like he might want to consider different branding.
Nope this is incredibly valid don’t you die if u touch the water 😂 since when can u best a shark with water ? Idk Man you may be making excuses for putting money down on this …. Hot steamy pile of …. 😂
At no point during any of the gameplay footage of the boss fights could I tell what the hell was going on. It is just bright garish colours everywhere.
I do not understand how this game can manage to shit the bed in graphics, gameplay, online connectivity, storywriting, world building and pleasing fans all at once. It's actually kind of impressive.
Outside pushing for laws that ban the practice of offering preorders, I don't see how you can stop the sheep from giving money to these bad actors. These games make their money back several times over before anyone even gets to play them.
no. i've been saying it for years. the games industry has proven time and time again that it needs HEAVY legislation, or some kind of regulatory body. these studios should be fined. you shouldn't be able to say that consumers "don't own" the games they buy.
With the pissing on the corpse thing, part of Flash’s whole thing is there is a mutual respect among his rouge’s gallery, and I really struggle to think of any version of Boomerang SPECIFICALLY that would do that. So not only is the tone wrong but it feels like they don’t understand what they’re doing.
Finally someone who get it. I've seen people saying "he's a villain what do you expect?" Boomerang is the same guy who kicked Trickster from unmasking a seemingly dead flash telling him to show respect.
That is something that really made me mad. Flash is one of the only heroes who has a actually good relationship with his villans so to see that scene just confirmed to me that they didn't care at all.
Modern writers just don't know when to turn off their "comedy" and it's a tactic I've seen a lot of people do to mask insecurities and to make up for a lack of personality. Which is all painfully transparent with this game.
@@oldoutlet6946 They knew to do it for Wonder Woman though... It's political. There's no two ways about it. University, especially in this field, is rife with it. And, as someone who has an honors degree in literature and creative writing, and even focused on games, the entertainment industry should hire based on talent and portfolio, not degrees or education. Otherwise you're going to get stuck with talentless people who spent more time writing essays on social politics than understanding writing itself. If you want stories that don't destroy themselves with 'comedy', stick to indies or Japanese titles. Indie writers rely on talent and passion. Japanese writers don't give a damn about western politics. There's a whole new generation of 'qualified' writers who are more political than passionate. And that's going to drastically effect the quality of writing for the coming years until studios up their recruiting standards. I am not working in the industry and have long since moved on to other fields. I might try and go back and write for indie games in the future, but the industry was clearly not a good place to seek a career in when I first graduated.
Even in Prototype 1 and 2, a series where I can body slam someone from the empire state building simply for committing the crime of existing - you never piss on someone's corpse. That does seem a touch far in the wrong direction. Like you can do edgy without it being potty humor?
It's especially jarring because Flash and his enemies (The Rogues) usually respect each other. Injustice 2 nailed it with how Flash speaks to Captain Cold.
They knew this game was DOA. That’s why they delayed it a year, hoping the hate for live service games would die down, when it only grew lol. They could be a year into working on a new project rn, but WB wanted this to be most polished turd possible.
@@Fraxzor He had to dedicate his entire life into mastering his mind and his body, and even he struggles to fight off those things. But then all of a sudden 4 goobers who have 0 mastery of their minds can fight off batman and his fear toxin. It's like these writers have 0 understanding of this world and it's characters.
@@The.Usurper I can buy Harley shaking off the fear toxin since she is crazy enough to expose herself to it repetitively like she was in Injustice 2 but definitely not the others. Plus the Batman "Boss Fight" that followed was complete ass. Rocksteady managed to top the horrible Tank Boss Fights from Arkham Knight.
@@chickenwings6172 My brother in christ I made a joke about Anthem being bad. I have no idea what you're yapping about. Maybe you responded to the wrong person?
It's for all of those Suicide Squad fans. You know the ones, who are real and totally exist after those two movies. And this game will create more SS fans! And if it doesn't, WB will keep making SS shit until you like it, or else! Because they're WB, and they're *never* wrong about what people want!
I am retconning this game entirely from the Arkham universe, batman is still kicking ass in Gotham with his upgraded fear equipment that he got from scarecrow
Imagine a psychopathic serial killer giving a morality lecture to the man who constantly spared/saved/tried to rehabilitate her before shooting him in the face.
THIS !! OMG that’s spot on. This new trend of trying to blame heroes & say Heroes are actually the problem while showing villains as all misunderstood & maybe they are actually justified because colonizers are bad or something is disgusting. Meet some real villains, they murder innocent people and put people in steel drums & fill it with acid and torture people. Villains are bad. They are evil. Some people are pushing Society to be upside down. SMH 🤦
The fact that this game could've been a fun parody of other games makes me sad, like a regular escort mission but the person explodes midway through and now you have to carry their remains to Waller or something, or having some insane complicated plans with alien gadgets to kill JL but since the squad is inefficient and reactive, it wouldn't work in the intended way and end up freeing the JL member for example.
"iT's CaLlEd KiLl ThE jUsTiCe LeAgUe BrO!!!" is such a lazy strawman argument. The outrage was never about killing the Justice League. If Rocksteady had delivered a game with this premise that had Arkham-quality writing, storytelling, tone, and character work, where our player characters had some dimension, and where the heroes' deaths were treated with a degree of pathos and depth, nobody would be complaining. The problem is and always has been the EXECUTION OF THE CONCEPT, not the concept itself.
@@skinnyrat4277 Well in "The Boys" case the reason is that the author unironically hates super heroes, so he hast all over them in his terrible comic. So I guess the comparison fits, since clearly the writers of this game also hate super heroes and their fans.
I'll be blunt THe issue isn't what happened to Batman, the concept of him being killed by Harley of all people could be so crazy it works. I'm bothered about how we got there. We had ZERO character growth on Harley's part. Zero. There is no reason she should be able to pull all this off, and the same applies for all the other SS members. Also, Batman in this game was very out of character. We are lead to believe that after faking his death in AK the league just invited him to join and he was "oh, okay" and went public. We should believe that the same Dark Knight who was thinking 4 moves ahead of his WHOLE enemy gallery while fighting them AT THE SAME TIME is taken down by 4 guys who are mid tier at best in comparison to Joker, Scarecrow, LAdy Shiva or Ra's. We should believe that this master strategist, with super human intelligence and limitless resources, while being mind crontrolled by a demi god being that makes him BLOODLUSTED, is taken down by those same mid tier guys just because essentialy they jump him and Harley decides she is now smarter than him. Again it's not the idea, it's the execution. I've seen NPCs die with more dignity than this.
The vocal minority on social media mean absolutely nothing. You’re all yelling into the air. Nobody cares and will still buy it no matter how much people kick and scream.
@@LeonJohnson-yi3hghe never said you can’t enjoy it, he’s saying that most people don’t want to play games that are written by people that hate they’re own characters
@@LeonJohnson-yi3hgI mean isn’t that the basis of economics. If the market has no demand for your game it flops. You can’t demand the consumer to like a game, either they do or they don’t.
@@LeonJohnson-yi3hg this game was created to manipulate people into spending hundreds of dollars on loot boxes and skins and battle passes on top of the $70 price tag for the actual game. This game would have been amazing if it was focused single player experience and not a shitty live service game designed to make money
I'm convinced too. Announce game. Start hiring. A year or two later start the design process which takes 2-4 years of meetings and writing documentation. Then, you start making proof of concepts for a year or two. In the time since announcement, key people leave, more have to be hired, often trained, and learn how things work there. People take it easy on working because the release date is over a year away. Then the executives tell you you have to release the game in 12-16 months. That's when the crunch time of real work begins until release date.
@@travellingslim Sounds like a profitable model. Managers put together a focus group say what they think will sell. Maybe the focus group IS the managers. Then you hire "writers", half of whom will work for pennies as long as they get to be voice actors or have their OF plugged in the credits. Then you hire developers to build the gamein 8 months.
@@squirrelsyrup1921 Sadly true if it didn't make money they wouldn't constantly do the same bullcrap every few years with the same exact copy pasted content. People continue to buy into it sadly.
Your idea of Batman being broken of the mind control and giving him a better send off would’ve been very much appreciated. It felt so cheap to see him die like that. Also it doesn’t make sense that Batman couldn’t resist brainiacs brainwashing. Homie had buffed up fear toxin and the joker turning him crazy and HE STILL BROKE OUT OF IT AFTER DEFEATING ALL OF HIS VILLAINS IN ONE NIGHT
They clearly did not play previous arkham games This batman is ridiculously strong. He managed to survive enough fear toxin that would drive many men insane while keeping the joker out of his mind through his will alone
I understand they wanted to make a suicide squad Game, but I just wish they could've sent batman off respectfully, be that him dying while preparing ways to kill the others at the least
I honestly thought they were hinting at that since he kept trying to convince Brainiac not to kill Wonder Woman, but no, Batman was just a made brainwashed stooge with banter as bad as the main cast, and apparently the rest of the bat family is just dead now? and they had the gall to play an emotional version of the Arkham Batman theme after such a legendary character gets shot in the head on a park bench.
That kinda' makes sense, but on the otherhand one thing that bothers me in the comics is how they power-up Batman in JL stories. Like even if he was immune to human toxins, Brainiac's (and other Superman villains) mindcontrol is way stronger. Without some special Magneto-style helmet, Batman shouldn't be resistant to him.
Never mind the missions being absolute garbage, I don’t like how the devs and WB absolute do not respect the source material. I’m not a huge DC fan. I really like the Batman end of things and I watched the Justice League and Young Justice when I was a kid. I like these characters. I cannot fathom how they think it was a great idea to ignore how the lantern ring works, _literally_ piss on The Flash, and _shoot Batman in the head. In his bulletproof helmet. With a revolver that drops a shell._ After everything he went through? In Kevin Conroy’s last role? It’s oddly, deeply disrespectful. We aren’t mad the Suicide Squad kills the Justice League. We can read the title of the game. We’re mad because the devs shit on everything the Justice League is. Batman is why anyone knows who Rocksteady is and cared about them for so long. Wonder Woman should never be treated in a higher respect than the character that made your company and treat Batman like Old Yeller Batman deserved better and the players deserve better
As soon as the original devs left it should have been a red flag for everyone. As soon as Sweet Baby Inc. was revealed to be involved with the game's story, everyone should have cancled their pre-orders.
One counter point. They worked on Alan Wake 2 and that game is fucking great. I love it and it truly isn't woke. It is actual interesting characters with great deliveries all around.
I'm glad there some other people throughout these reviews that know what's going on with sweet baby inc and the devs leaving. Have you seen the wonder woman bio? It's literally sweet baby inc using lex luthor as a puppet to push their misandry on the player through the bio
The tragedy is this piece of gutter trash is Kevin Conroy’s final appearance as Batman. And Rocksteady had the gall to dedicate it to him. What a slap in the face to the most legendary voice of Batman.
Thankfully, even though this is (potentially) Kevin Conroy's final video game performance as the Dark Knight, Conroy has a confirmed role as Batman in DC's animated Crisis on Infinite Earths Part 3
It's like you think they killed him or something, they didn't know he was going to die when making it. They didn't know that this was going to be judged as his last thing. Wouldn't it be worse if they didn't give him a dedication?
@@atiredcliche depends how disrespectful would it be to open the International Adolf Hitler Synagogue? That's about how disrespectful it is to dedicate this . let's call it a game, to Kevin Conroy.
@@riduckulus1574 ...Why? He appeared in it. It was written by writers that he had worked with many times before. He has at least an hour of voice lines in it. It's not like anyone forced him to do so. Conroy chose to take that time and do the work. It would have been disrespectful to not give him a dedication when he died so soon afterwards.
@@atiredclicheI think the bigger issue is the very people that he had such an established working relationship with actually writing that material and plot for him in this game in the first place. It’s not about “they shouldn’t have dedicated it to him even though he died”, it’s “you took his entire legacy, then wrote THIS character arc in this game and disregarded his entire legacy and presence and impact on your studio (while calling this an ARKHAMVERSE GAME) and THEN dedicated it to him as some ‘show of respect’ after his death, despite completely disrespecting his work for you as Batman over the last 15 years.” If they had actually given any care to thanking or honoring him, they would have simply written the story-or at least his death-differently in the first place.
Not gonna lie, this video popped up on auto-play and I didn't know what it was covering when I walked back in my room. When I glanced at the gameplay footage, I genuinely thought it was a Fortnight update.
I love that Batman has this Justice League contingency plan to get rid of them just in case something happens then you actually play and it's just King Shark mini-gunning the heroes down.
This game could have been so cool if the premise was "all the Justice League has become corrupted and must be killed and only Batman knows how to kill all of them" like was mentioned in the video. Having Batman need to work with the Suicide Squad to kill his friends could have been an amazing character turn.
Even the story as is, it would’ve been awesome if the game was “Wonder Woman x Suicide Squad”, getting to play as her, discover the contingency plans and actually watch her mourn the death of her friends, getting to meet with Lois Lane (among other friends of the JL) and just grieving, it would’ve been a better conclusion Idk, that sounds like a better premise to me but what do we know, right?
Reminds me of the quote from a J Cole song (for some reason) when he say "good news is you came a long way, bad news is you went the wrong way" Really cool that Rocksteady wanted to make a suicide squad game and the potential there is insane but to make it a live service looter shooter... Dear oh dear
I was considering it until I heard the words “live service “. My enthusiasm instantly left me and I instantly knew what was going to happen to this game. It happened exactly like I thought. Dead on arrival.
It really wasnt their call, high chance that it was the higher ups at WB Games that chose that. They originally wanted to make a superman game (which is probably why this game is also set in metropolis) but the idea was denied by Warner Bros.
The founders of Rocksteady left when they heard about it they are making their own game studio now they didn't have anything to do with the end product really
Care. Simply put, the studio making the Jedi series love those characters and games, it's why Cal and Merrin have become such popular characters. The studio cares about them This to me snacks of no love and care. Arkham series and care, but this had none
It feels like the writers of the game had a chip on their shoulders and just imagined that beloved childhood heroes would be the perfect receptacle of all that trauma.
You don't need to just feel my friend; you're spot on. Look up Sweet Baby Inc the company they brought in for character and script development and what they think of things like superheroes.
@@dylansharp8471 They especilly need to go down. Remove the rot from around the good devs which will no doubt land in their feet if they create a new studio.
Wonder woman being the only one treated with respect while the other members deaths are treated with disrespect and malice clearly shows what the writers felt. It's so obvious that it's pathetic.
@aaronb-b1881 I'm not even too pissed off. Like yeah sure why should any of these characters cry? They really shouldn't. However, I don't like playing looter shooters and they literally brought batman back from the dead from Knight, then dies again? Why what's the reason for this? To set up for you to KEEP playing this fucking game because oh no, they actually aren't dead!!!! Oooooooooooo or he actually just dies lol oops
@@casual1118 I’m not defending this game, but Batman doesn’t die at the end of Arkham Knight… if you 100% the game or just look on UA-cam you’ll see that.
That's my main problem, why the actual fuck would they make only WW death a respecfull one? That wouldn't be a issue if her death was as bad as the other ones.
All the while them talking about multiverse nonsense means they can recycle them in future season updates if needed. So you KEEP killing them at a later date.
Harvey put it best: "You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." Goddamit rocksteady, why did you have to betray us 😢
The people who made Batman don’t even work there anymore just look at a picture of the company then and now it’s all dei hires just check the credits not one person worked on this game from Arkham so it’s not the same company
nah Rocksteady is long dead, what we got is a bunch of bottom feeding activists puppeteering its corpse around so that people will at least glance at their tired "my failures are everyone else's fault" song and dance before predictably leaving them once again to wallow in self-imposed mediocrity.
Suicide Squad’s development hell caused a lot of the original Arkham writers and devs to bounce following intervention from WB, leaving a company called Sweet Baby in charge. Don’t blame these old writers and Rocksteady, blame WB and Sweet Baby.
I agree. Being cynical and an asshat isn't "deep", it's just being an ass and trying to call it deep just makes it look pretentious. I'm so glad that people have gotten sick of the cyncism.
Sweet Baby had the audacity to put their logo in the game's intro sequence. Now the few people that played the game or watched the playthroughs will definitely know half of why the game sucks.
@@atiredcliche If you are that lazy, just access their main website, Rocksteady's logo is right there, along with Square Enix, EA and all ther other major players in the AAA side of gaming. But you won't do that.
From day one I was hoping the title was one big misdirection. After all, it's called Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League. Notice the colon? That's important. It denotes a subtitle. They were ordered to kill the Justice League, but actually succeeding is a whole nother sack of potatoes. I thought they were going to free the Justice League by accident and be heralded as unintentional heroes, because I thought there was no way a bunch of jobbers would be able to beat one superhero, let alone four.
I completely thought the opposite. I thought it was more obvious that they'd save the Justice League and team up with them to defeat Brainiac but instead it lives up to the name
That actually would have been funny. The Squad has to act like it was intentional and play nice to the crowd. Waller would probably even go for it. She resents the Justice League for being heroes to the people rather than the government, so this would be a way to take credit.
@@greed-1914I actually thought if they did take out the Justice League, it would not be just based on them. Like they would fund Batman's back up plans to take out the Justice League if they went Rogue. Or like they instead capture the Justice League (at least Superman) by using their weaknesses against them. Fun fact: there was actually a movie where a bunch if villans teamed up, found Batman's evil Justice league defense protocol and used it against them. Like you had Batman's parents bodies removed from their grave, then have hom buried alive with some skeletons. (Can't remember if it was theirs) Hal Jordan was dosed with Scarecrows fear toxin and saw the woman he lover's body. Ww had nanites effect her brain to see everyone she looked at as Catwoman threatening her. The Flash had a bomb strapped to him that would explode if he stopped running, Superman was shot by a kryptonite bullet to the heart, Martian was constantly on fire, etc
There is only TWO WAYS to make a good looter-shooter: You either make a good single installment like borderlands, or you commit to a live service full of content like warframe. This feels like an abandoned live service at launch.
Here's how it could have been done for Bats: He breaks the mind control, turns to Harley and says - B: Do it H: Do what? B: Take me out. I can't risk being taken control of again. H: Oh I'll do it Bats, don't you worry. Puddin was a nightmare, but he was mine. B: Why haven't you done it then? H: I... I don't know... I guess in a way he was sort of yours too. B: Harley, I don't know how much time I have. H: I...I... B: DO IT! Harley shakes, startled, then fires the gun almost reflexively. She seems sad but shakes it off and walks away while the rest of the squad watch her go. Annnnnd scene. But I guess we'll have to stick with the drek that's in the game.
This is probably a rumor, but didn’t Rocksteady want to either do a single player Superman game or a Batman Beyond Arkham game before WB turned it down and forced them to make this garbage?
@@jinxact532yeah bring us a martian manhunter game that guy is sick It’s either a batman game or a justice league game where batman is the leader with superman
My theory was they wanted to make a suicide squad game to expand the Arkham universe, but were told to make it into a looter shooter. Got a lot of backlash for it and came to the middle to what we got now. Seems like there are multiple games in here and many external factors may have been the cause of this.
Imagine having the ability to adapt a comic book city with its vibrant characters and abilities but just opting to have everything in a random city with a group of people that just shoot people. I had almost forgot that was supposed to be Metropolis because it could be anywhere. Also, Brainiac looks pretty lame.
If Rocksteady had done the story in a manner where the Suicide Squad had to free the Justice League from their mind control and TEAM UP with them to stop Braniac instead of killing them, you probably would've gotten a better story plus the potential ability to unlock the heroes as playable characters(at least that's what I'd do if I were making it).
@@Bionic_Webb I was honestly expecting Wonder Women to break the mind control with her lasso and Batman to break it with Batman shenanigans, and then they'd sacrifice themselves while helping the Suicide Squad. They'd probably die fighting Superman and Green Lantern or something.
16:33 Harley's line "Its our turn now" is the only line said with malicious intent. This is Sweet Baby writers insulting previous Rocksteady writers. This is what they think of fans and the legacy that came before them. Their hubris has lead to their downfall and, likely, the closure of a beloved studio. Thanks for the review, keep up the good work mate.
It's so funny how Brainiac defeated the Justice League here. He came down in his ominous, very obviously villainous, skull ship and was like "Im peaceful and definitely not a bad guy, i just want to talk to you guys" and the justice league actually bought into the trap 😂
@@mythoclaust1283Like No Shot ARKHAM BATMAN feel for that shit, bro would of probably already been on Brainaics ship, spread the truth to Lois Lane and blew it up before Brainiac got close enough to Metropolis 😅😂
This may help your confusion over the direction of this game - none of the developers from the original trilogy are still around to make this game. It is an entirely new crew wearing the face of the old one. 100 of the devs from the old crew went off to make an entirely new studio a while ago.
@@CasofShadows CODs main stay is multiplayer, campaigns are just a decorative bow on the top but people buy them for online stuff. I know simple minds think shitting on COD is the thing to do but it really isn't, is Activision lazy with them? Sure but they are still what people want them to be and you can bet your dumbass that there is more than 10 hours worth of content even with the bad ones. Nice try at the deflection though.
Because nobody knows how to make a game with playable superheroes like Superman good. Batman works because he's no metahuman, so much more grounded stories and gameplay can be built around him. The idea behind a SS game isn't inherently bad, it's just that this game executed it in the most disgusting way possible.
Honestly, the Captain Boomerang pissing on the Flash's corpse scene seems to me like the most literal representation of a trend writers in media have been following for the last decade... "Everything that came before us is trash, and everyone who loves it is trash. We are the new generation and we know better. Take what people love, make a new product out of it, get them to pay us for it, and then piss all over it right in front of them to show them how little we think of them and their fandom..." It's literally the best example of writers telling you this to your face since Kylo Ren's "Let the past die. Kill it if you have to" line. I was desperately looking for anyone to say anything about this game that would make me go "i'm not going to love it, but here's one thing that i might enjoy that makes it worth trying it out."... But every review i see gets progressively worse... I'm very curious to see what this game will look like in 1-2 years.
It's sad isn't it? But, fuck em. Let them burn beloved characters and IPs to the ground. There's other up and coming people creating their own IPs and I'm looking forward to dive into those
This is why anime and manga are so popular. Anybody with half a brain can see the american bs for modern audiences sucks. That's why none of this stuff is making any money. Also why half of Hollywood is going bankrupt. Oh and if you want to see what this game looks like in two years just look at all the nothing that's happening with the avengers game right now.
What will this game look like in 2 years? You won't be able to see it to find out because the servers will have been shut down and it won't be playable anymore
So, this is what nearly nine years of development looks like? Wow, what an underwhelming achievement. Thanks for saving me money, WB and Rocksteady, appreciate it.
Almost certainly a lot of that work was scrapped because of executives deciding on changes in direction. They probably effectively developed 3-4 different versions of the game over that time and only the last two years or so involved actual game design for the final product, with assets being reused.
@@psiah9889 Oh, I have no doubt about that, which is why I thank WB for saving me money, convinced me never to buy this game. Man, gotta love morons in executive positions.
Warner is notorious for screwing over games and forcibly restarting game's development multiple times. This game is just the most recent example. The old main example of their meddling was superman 64, which was a competent game from the lost media demos but the final game got warped beyond recognition by Warner.
I like how they have 4 different characters, with different gimmicks in the comics and other media, but they don't give them different gameplay. Imagine if there was interactive terrain features only King Shark could smash or bend into different shapes, or even water portions to move around in different ways. Or telephone wires and powerlines only Harley could tightrope across. Things that can be interacted with using a boomerang...
It's because you can play the whole game with any character, so they can't have one character be the solution to anything. You can play it with a squad of 4 Boomerangs if you want.
Everybody already had an issue with the game's premise being "murder all our childhood heroes", but for them to double down on that to the point of having them literally piss on the corpses while making a joke of it is *insane*
Kevin Conroy isn’t even JUST a beloved voice actor who voiced Batman for many years. For pretty much anybody familiar with his work, he is so synonymous with Batman that his death in 2022 felt like the death of the character itself. A gay man who came up through Hollywood in the mid 20th century, Conroy was deeply touched by Batman’s struggles with identity, secrecy, isolation, and guilt, moreso than most hardcore fans could say for themselves. He was at a bit of a low point in his career when he got the audition for Batman The Animated Series, and he was reluctant to take it. He was surprised by how much he immediately related to the character, and the creators of the show basically hired him on the spot, and the rest is history. By all accounts the man was one of the kindest human beings you could ever find in Hollywood, and he dedicated the last three decades of his life to the character and the community. There are many beloved and dedicated performers in film and television, but Kevin Conroy is genuinely on another level in terms of what he gave, what he meant to the fans, and what all of it meant to him. Killing him off in such an unsatisfying jus for an emotional Harley moment (one that doesn’t even make much sense for this version of the character) displays a blatant ignorance of Conroy’s legacy, which is all the more upsetting given the studio’s relationship with the character as you mentioned. I wouldn’t be surprised if this were the precise reason that the studio founders left.
Very true. I know for me he was what Batman sounded like always. I just that character was made for the show and that’s what he always sounded like. When I heard anyone but him I thought “they couldn’t get the real Batman”? I mean I know he wasn’t REAL but you know…
@@Mybasedworld He had to hide it for most of his career, as there really weren’t any roles being given to gay actors while he was in Hollywood. The stigma from both the industry and even his closest loved ones instilled in him a reluctance to share. It wasn’t until 2016 that he came out to the public.
that would have made it much more believable. the justice league is hard for batman to neutralise alone, let alone other non-metahumans so it make it that bit easier make it not too unrealistic in universe.
Yeah, I guess I'll be skipping this one. I also saw some content from the creators saying, "we don't make games for your enjoyment, we make them to express ourselves!"
They're all trying to capture that tiny percentage of whales that spend fortunes on them, so they can keep making money without the tedium of actually building another game, or bothering to make a good one in the first place. Publishers all think it's their very own KACHING cheat code.
Reminds me of when Bungie switched from Halo to Destiny, when Crystal Dynamics switched from Tomb Raider to Marvel's Avengers, now Rocksteady going from the Arkham games to SSKTJL...when will the singleplayer to live service infection stop..?
I swear studios deliberately try to make their games as bad as possible cause i could go to the street and pick 10 persons who would give the fans what they want
In regards to Wonder Women being the only hero that’s treated with respect, in her character bio it says she “solved toxic masculinity”… tells you all you need to know.
You know, i usually hate this argument since its so often used as a catch all for real and bigger problems with these games. I think WW was done "well enough" but...seeing this as a thing more or less tells me its pretty much the case. I guess they could have tossed that in as a inclusion for those that cared about such things. But considering the rest of the game, it all just reaffirms the mentality of it all :/
@@Helmutlozzi I never heard about Sweet Baby Inc. until i read this comment section. But after checking out their website, seeing what they are about, and what games they worked on, the world makes so much more sense now...
@@adoptic6342 it's not about being offended though. It just doesn't make sense, that's it. It's supposedly Lex who's writing these bios. So why would lex luthor, an actual murderer and supervillain be so up for Diana "solving toxic masculinity". If it was just to show respect then it's illogical to not praise the other members as well because they all do the same job as Diana.
I don't understand the comparison when it's two completely different games. You're insinuating that dc ips can't sell in a way. The main complaint for gotham knights was that it didn't have arkhams play style.
@@rufus5208 It's amazing how people are STILL getting that so damn wrong. There wasn't a single live service component about the game and people are still out here calling it one.
@@Chris-we7hh Except it's not what he'd do because he respects the flash. Because there was a similar situation in the comics where digger kicked a Trickster trying to unmask a seemingly dead flash telling him to show respect. Or as recent as rebirth where he teamed up with a flash (Barry) and kid flash looking for answers pertaining to reverse flash (Daniel west) the current kid Flash's father.
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Somehow, this game is even less interesting, offers less content, and insults fans even more than I expected...
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You getting swatted was cause of how bad you are at games.... 10 hours.... smh.
I mean you stated before it Evan came out that you wasn't gonna like it u shoulda just left it alone then simple....
Thank you for playing it. I figured it was a bust.
There isn’t any loot on normal bud. lol 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️…… This review sounds like u mad u didn’t get a review copy. lol…..YALL HAVE TO START BEING HONEST TO PEOPLE AND STOP THE INTERNET BANTER. YALL are ruining gaming. SMH…. PLEASE DONT REVIEW “jujutsu kaisen cursed clash” 😅
I'm still going to buy it and I'm gunna like it idc if u think everything is poopie
“Hi, I’m Brainiac, the smartest being in existence. My troops and vehicles have these glowing purple weak spots, but they are decoys, I swear, don’t bother shooting them. Also, when I face you myself, I 100% am not going to copy the battle tactics of a foe that you have already bested, because I am really smart, so don’t expect that, because it’s not going to happen. I’m really smart.”
12th level intellect, and this is how he thinks....
Characters can only be as smart as the writers
@@arya-x7xThe writers are 1st level intellect.
It’s worst that he has the strongest superheroes in the entire universe, yet doesn’t utilize them all at once against literal low tier villains…instead each one dies right in front of him, and yet we’re left to imagine that Brainiac still has the upper hand.
Brainiac: sees the Flash fight
also Brainiac: This gives me an idea! 💡
Now I get why it took them 7 years to make this. They've been waiting for the lead writer to graduate from the elementary school.
Its probably seen many redesigns.
LOL FR
This is probably going to be an Anthem situation where the team only got to really start working and had only one year to finish the game. You can see it, game was clearly made in 1/2 years.
When I first started the brainiac fight and he turned into flash I thought “yeah ok he’s obviously gonna be a combination of all the JL. Kinda lame, kinda repetitive but whatever” and then…. It was just the flash
I thought the same exact thing! It's like the most obvious final battle concept, but they couldn't even do THAT right!
Injustice did brainac better
They’re saving the rest for the other 13 Braniac boss fights😂
next season will be the next JL obv
What's baffling to me is you actually bought this garbage game lol
I feel like they could have avoided at least some of the controversy by just saying this is a different universe than the arkham games.
Obviously after playing a trilogy of games set in that world and with those characters it's understandable that it leaves a little sour taste in your mouth to say "Oh, off screen everything you did in those games fell apart afterwards, Brainiac is in charge now and you should go kill Batman"
Like using the 'Arkhamverse' as a selling point only works if you are paying respect to the games that came before.
But that would make too much sense Brokenfinger. They can't have that! Lol I hear ya though
But how are they gonna market it too their arkham fan base
What trilogy? There are 4 arkham games
@@sugarflame1833rocksteady didn’t make origins
Wait, that thing is supposed to be set in the Arkham universe?
The fuck, why did they think that would be a good idea?
I remember day dreaming about what rocksteadys next game would be back when Arkham knight came out.
Little did I know we would have to wait 9 years for a mean spirited, live service, looter shooter
Also, the dead of our beloved Kevin Conroy, the actual Batman, the best voice actor for Batman, and the dead of arkhamverse Batman in the most disrespectful way. Let's also don't forget what they did to the rest of JL members, killing them before before getting a character development, and died so easily and making fun of them. They destroyed all the character development they did on Batman for 4 games, 5 if we count Blackgate. And the redcon of Deadshot
@@alexregele22 And they undid poison ivy’s sacrifice in Arkham knight.
Also how are there Black Mask weapons if Redhood killed him in Arkham knight’s DLC?!
Mean spirited.... YOURE LITERALLY PLAYING AS THE SUICIDE SQUAD!!!!!
@@Superslayinsteve they can still be bad guys without literally pissing on the corpses of the justice league. It’s like an edge lord wrote the script
@@Superslayinstevesuicide squad is mean spirited because it does not respect the Arkham franchise
For me, this is a 'Don't waste your time and money', not even a 'Wait for a sale'.
Right on. I wouldn’t even play it for free. They did a disservice to the games they are riding the tailcoats of and just a game as a whole.
Gamepass like I did with Gotham knights
Sonis this a wait for epic free games, gamepass and psplus library?
@lbald489 For me personally, the limited time I have to game is far better spent on other titles. But to each their own. You do you.
I might play this if it ever hits GamePass, but that is a big maybe.
I also hate the plot holes for instance Harley thinks planting a bomb in kid Ivy is messed up yet her and Joker gave a 5yr old Titan claiming it to be medicine if u listen to the audio tapes in Batgirl DLC. This universe's version of Harley is meant to be messed up and evil yet there so desperate in turning her into the mainstream anti-hero version we keep seeing lately and it does not work.
They basically skipped the redemption arc
The one thing I could say to defend it is that she’s not with Joker anymore and it’s been 5 years since his death, and that also that was like year one Harley when she was uncontrollably obsessed and under his thumb. And also too Ivy is her friend and with the new beginnings for both these characters she doesent want to fall back into old habits or be defined as Villains and Criminals again. But also too this game is a joke and the writers are miserable at their job.
Alot of stuff was made non canon before suicide squad even the assult in Arkham movie and a Majority of the Arkham comics where made non canon which hurts my soul because Arkham Knight Genises is no longer canon most of it eas made non canon before ssktj even started development
She's not the same character. Even though they claim she is, she isn't, flat out.
It just feels so obvious that this game went right into production after 2016’s Suicide Squad movie and WB wanted them to shoehorn in the most successful parts of it
Ship of Theseus - The co-founders left Rocksteady Games in 2022 and took with them the most talented developers. Warner Bros hired whoever they could to get the game out the door. End of story.
The ship sank, this is the dingy made of driftwood.
The same as Bioware, Obsidian, etc. The talent is gone, but the name remains as a "trusted brand"
@@arkworthy8594 Also called "Bioware magic*~". And a lot of video game players still fall for it. The magic is long gone.
@@arkworthy8594 you can add DICE, infinity ward, and Bungie to that list....hallowed corporations still reaping the benefits that the names sowed
Sweet Baby
You know what would’ve been a far more compelling narrative? An old, heroic Batman coming out of hiding to help the Justice League fight off the Brainiac invasion.
Or a Batman that broke the mind control to help the suicide squad
@@streetside2833They could’ve also set the game in an original universe, and used Arkham Batman in place of Earth 2 Luthor.
@@MTMuppet I had the same exact thought bro omfg what we're they smoking when they were making this game.🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Just like that one Justice League Online game where Lex Luthor and Batman come from an alternate earth in the future and Batman is part machine now because he's been to war
Edit: I just realized too in that game they were also fighting Brainiac and Kevin Conroy was the VA of Batman 😂😂
@@streetside2833pretty much switch Batman and Wonder Woman's roles because Brainiac only wants the meta humans with God like powers. Have Batman ultimately sacrifice himself at some point in the story.
@@jimmyv3170 Wonder Woman having Athena's Blessing makes her being the one unaffected actually correct. Like others have pointed out, her character was given the most thought when it came to respecting the character and history. Its great they did it for her - but that should hold true for the entire JL here, especially Bats.
This is what happens when mega corporations decide a games identity rather than passionate devs. They always seem choose live service money pit garbage over fun, good and inspired.
Eh, I hate to break it to you but WB let Rocksteady have full creative freedom. The story, characters, and tone were all the work of the "passionate devs". They were PROUD of this.
@@WobblesandBeanWhat are you talking about? A WB executive literally confirmed as early as this past November that WB games will double down on only making live service games
@@cyberpup2246 If u go into suicide squads credits a majority of the devs are from the "old" rocksteady and were part of arkham knights development
We got like 5 superhero games that are co op games. All of them are better than this mess😂
I blame Fortnite and cod games tbh. This live service bs came from their business model
“It’s not fair to hold this game accountable for not being what we wanted it to be.” It’s also not fair for them to expect me to buy this game either 🤷🏻♂️
This is true. Very fair to not like the game because it's not what I like in my games
your comment is very fair
@@kluneberg8952That’s a fair take
Your pic is horrifying
This is all very fair guys I appreciate it
The thing that makes it worst for Batman's Death is that it's canonically the Arkham Batman...until this year he supposedly died in a heroic way in Arkham Knight, but they "revived" him explaining away his death as "oh he faked it and joined the Justice League" and then killed him again in the worst way possible...
Well he didn’t die that’s how it is in the comics
I think it's fairly obvious that he didn't die in Arkham Knight.
@@antoniotownsend1683 oh I see...did Harley kill him in the comics as well?
I mean, it was kind of obvious he faked it at the end of arkham knight... there was even a secret ending that pretty much showed he was alive and using scarecrows gas to scare criminals.
@@Mykahaia I was talking about Arkham night he didn’t die he was very much alive that whole time just chilling
The only explanation for why Brainiac would choose to mimic the Flash in the boss battle is that Brainiac wanted to be peed on too.
LOL Ok that made me laugh at least.
Lol 😅
LMAO
Underrated comment xD
Bruh. 😂
One of the most egregious aspects of the game is it’s complete disregard of the Arkham universe, Harley Quinn being a perfect example. She lambasts Batman for causing criminals “long term emotional damage”. In this universe Harley has kidnapped, tortured, and murdered hundreds of people…
Either the writers never played a previous Arkham game, or they simply disregarded the franchise’s history in order to tell their story. Regardless, it’s disrespectful and a complete failure of writing and storytelling.
They tried to make her into the Margot Robbie and Harley Quinn show versions where they have no agency over their own actions and were just being manipulated by the joker to appear more relatable to women who think they had a toxic relationship with a narcissistic man which is most women today. It's similar to how Deadshot in Arkham has been white for over a decade but apparently that was an imposter because they want the game version to look like will Smith.
They obviously never played the old games or did research into the old games because Arkham Harley is one of the most evil versions of Harley, she literally tortured a child and their entire family. All of a sudden she hates Joker too when up to Arkham Knight she was still in love with him
If you see the faces behind the development of this game it will explain a lot. Think about how Wonder Woman is treated like she's the protagonist of the Arkhamverse and not Batman and how she's the only hero there that gets a hero's send off where she sacrifices herself and isn't disrespected by the Suicide Squad during or after her death. Batman gets 🔫 on a park bench, green lanterns gets striped down to his draws and 🔫 in the head, Flash gets peed on and Supes just flops over and croaks like he's not the most powerful being there.
My take on this is that she is still crazy so she doesn’t have a clear perspective on what she did vs what batman did
@@Tarriqmy take on this it’s all Harley’s sick fever dream.
You can really tell feminists wrote this game.
You can thank sweet baby inc for this. They’re a woke company that “helps” write games so they can put their bs in them.
Game devs and publishers are saying that making games is becaming more expensive yet new live service games keep looking cheaper and cheaper
@@asdadsgsaadasf6043 This is clearly the BEST analysis I've seen of the current state of Western game development. Well done my friend! 👍
@@asdadsgsaadasf6043Not only that I watch a video talking about how some of the head devs while working on the game didn't have like the basic list of things to make and work toward in the game. Thwy were essentially just continuously adding more stuff as development went on hoping it would qll somehow mesh together later.
Sweet Baby Inc curse strikes again lol
Fr they tried so hard but obsidian (creators of fallout new Vegas) still outdid them (I still like fallout 4 and 76)@@asdadsgsaadasf6043
Higher price low budget, Gotham knights is good example I rather play Gotham knights then goofy squad.
My problem is the main idea of the game: I don't want to kill the Justice League. I want to play as them. Say what you want about the Avengers game, at least you are the Avengers. You're using their powers and playing an Avengers story. This game, it's four villains, and their power is "gun."
Thank you. I 100% for the Avengers game part
I mean this game is literally a game titled the suicide squad kill the Justice league and you play the suicide squad killing the Justice league.
Wanting a Justice league game is valid but holding that against this game is a little odd since it’s not like it’s deceptive marketing or anything
@@jeanv2246your missing the point. This game is in replace of a game the fans really wanted. We wanted a game where we could play these characters not kill them unceremoniously. I wanted to play the flash not piss on him, I wanted to use green lantern constructs not see fucking king shark take off and use the lantern ring. I wanted to use the lasso of truth and whip around enemies not be whipped around by wonder woman. I wanted to be able to take down brainiac as superman or batman not fucking kill them with little to no respect twords the characters. This game is already hinting at it not even being the real justice league or bringing them back in future seasons as non corrupted characters. It's shock value for shock value and its only showing what we could have actually had.
Yeah I mean I think that game sucks but it seemed like at least some of that team TRIED. Like it seemed like they genuinely tried to make that a good game, to make it the Avengers game everyone wanted, they failed sure but it’s still more than I can say for this disgusting mess
@@jeanv2246 lmao dude marketing and profit 101 is giving customers what they want. Giving us a product whose premise makes 0 sense or appeals to no one is stupid be fr
Seeing the spoilers of what they did with Batman seemed like a metaphor for what WB did to Rocksteady
Why are you hung up on that? It's literally in the title, and it's not a Batman game.
It's how the death is done, there's no respect. Arkham Batman isn't going out like this. Given his feats, the man is beating the Squad little to no diff.@@bobross8585
Actually what sweet baby inc did to rocksteady
Rocksteady did it to themselves
And more directly what Rocksteady did to Arkham's legacy.
Considering Rocksteady once revived superhero games and brought them to the AAA space, I find it poignant to quote Harvey Dent after seeing their downfall: 'you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.'
Rocksteady has been dead for years. The people that made the good games in their catalog are long gone. This is just a shell of a company wearing their name.
Yup, the ones who remained sold their souls and diversity hires were brought in to push an agenda and corporate money making scheme. Same story as current Bungie.
It’s m funny to me that you can’t swim in a game in which one of the playable characters is literally a shark.
I think that's because it's not a great white shark. It's King Shark.
@@Nobody-l7h So I shouldn’t expect a guy named King Shark, who looks like a shark and, generally speaking, identifies with sharks, to be able to swim? Seems like he might want to consider different branding.
It's m funny how that isn't even the object of the game
Are we really complaining about not being able to swim in a game where you’re mostly airborne? Atleast have valid complaints 😂
Nope this is incredibly valid don’t you die if u touch the water 😂 since when can u best a shark with water ? Idk Man you may be making excuses for putting money down on this ….
Hot steamy pile of …. 😂
Comparing the game to the SNL skit where The Rock makes an actually evil robot described the tone perfectly.
This isn’t how it happened.
This isn’t how the Batman died.
~ Gim Jordan 🥸
EXACTLY, it ended with Arkham Knight and that's it, nothing after that is canon for me, RIP Rocksteady.
At least he died in a more honorable way in Gotham Knights of all things
Batman died in Arkham Knight.
This is how it happened,
This is how ROCKSTEADY died
This whole game is basically Rocksteady pissing on the dead corpse of their audience.
Yes. But not the OG devs. This is Sweet Baby. Sefton Hill would never. Which is why he and the old team left.
WB pissing on Rocksteady’s corpse*
This is NOT the same team that made the Arkham games. They are universes apart in quality and care for the material.
@@AlexGonzalez-dg1usthat part
@@UrbanNoizeMusic They left when the game was being polished...
At no point during any of the gameplay footage of the boss fights could I tell what the hell was going on. It is just bright garish colours everywhere.
It makes Joel Schumacher's Gotham look subdued by comparison.
So I wasn't the only one.
I just hate what's become of AAA games "artstyles"; boring, confusing, or unfocused, or a mix of them all.
Gamers when they find out not all games have the same exac art style.
@@al112v4 There's an art style here? Where, behind the neonbubblegum color vomit?
I do not understand how this game can manage to shit the bed in graphics, gameplay, online connectivity, storywriting, world building and pleasing fans all at once. It's actually kind of impressive.
Trying to give obisoft and their "skull and bones" cash grab a run for their money i guess.
Graphics really aren’t too bad. Just maybe a bit too many spazzy colors and flashes
It looks like gritty Fortnite tbh
Me toward Gotham Knights after this:
“Perhaps I treated you too harshly”
Yeah... At least the script writers didn't hate batman and his fans.
I still think Gotham Knights is way worse than Suicide Squad. The story is just as insulting, but the gameplay, world, systems are WAY worse.
At least GK had different enemies, different fights, and everyone didnt just use a gun.
both are in the same basket of manure
well…more than one game can suck let’s be real :/
this cycle wont end until no one give them money
Outside pushing for laws that ban the practice of offering preorders, I don't see how you can stop the sheep from giving money to these bad actors. These games make their money back several times over before anyone even gets to play them.
Exactly. That’s all game companies care about nowadays. Money.
@@Charleyyy678
I wouldn't say that.
@@providencebreaker1558 Those same people call those who don't like the game as sheep.
no. i've been saying it for years. the games industry has proven time and time again that it needs HEAVY legislation, or some kind of regulatory body. these studios should be fined. you shouldn't be able to say that consumers "don't own" the games they buy.
With the pissing on the corpse thing, part of Flash’s whole thing is there is a mutual respect among his rouge’s gallery, and I really struggle to think of any version of Boomerang SPECIFICALLY that would do that. So not only is the tone wrong but it feels like they don’t understand what they’re doing.
Finally someone who get it. I've seen people saying "he's a villain what do you expect?"
Boomerang is the same guy who kicked Trickster from unmasking a seemingly dead flash telling him to show respect.
That is something that really made me mad. Flash is one of the only heroes who has a actually good relationship with his villans so to see that scene just confirmed to me that they didn't care at all.
Modern writers just don't know when to turn off their "comedy" and it's a tactic I've seen a lot of people do to mask insecurities and to make up for a lack of personality. Which is all painfully transparent with this game.
@@oldoutlet6946 Modern "ironic" writing.
@@oldoutlet6946 They knew to do it for Wonder Woman though...
It's political. There's no two ways about it. University, especially in this field, is rife with it. And, as someone who has an honors degree in literature and creative writing, and even focused on games, the entertainment industry should hire based on talent and portfolio, not degrees or education. Otherwise you're going to get stuck with talentless people who spent more time writing essays on social politics than understanding writing itself.
If you want stories that don't destroy themselves with 'comedy', stick to indies or Japanese titles. Indie writers rely on talent and passion. Japanese writers don't give a damn about western politics. There's a whole new generation of 'qualified' writers who are more political than passionate. And that's going to drastically effect the quality of writing for the coming years until studios up their recruiting standards.
I am not working in the industry and have long since moved on to other fields. I might try and go back and write for indie games in the future, but the industry was clearly not a good place to seek a career in when I first graduated.
Even in Prototype 1 and 2, a series where I can body slam someone from the empire state building simply for committing the crime of existing - you never piss on someone's corpse. That does seem a touch far in the wrong direction. Like you can do edgy without it being potty humor?
remaster when
It's especially jarring because Flash and his enemies (The Rogues) usually respect each other. Injustice 2 nailed it with how Flash speaks to Captain Cold.
Yeah
Imagine the last 3 years working on this game, seeing Avengers fail and knowing you’re making the exact same game just with a different license…
AND a Shittier story! a Shit-Tier Fan Fiction Story. that literally Shits all over the GREATEST COMIC BOOK CHARACTER OF ALL TIME!
They knew this game was DOA. That’s why they delayed it a year, hoping the hate for live service games would die down, when it only grew lol. They could be a year into working on a new project rn, but WB wanted this to be most polished turd possible.
They could have had batman break free of the Brainiac mind control, he has one of the strongest wills in the D.C. universe. I could believe it.
He broke free of Scarecrow's and Joker's control but apparently that means nothing in this game.
@@Fraxzor He had to dedicate his entire life into mastering his mind and his body, and even he struggles to fight off those things. But then all of a sudden 4 goobers who have 0 mastery of their minds can fight off batman and his fear toxin. It's like these writers have 0 understanding of this world and it's characters.
@@The.Usurper I can buy Harley shaking off the fear toxin since she is crazy enough to expose herself to it repetitively like she was in Injustice 2 but definitely not the others. Plus the Batman "Boss Fight" that followed was complete ass. Rocksteady managed to top the horrible Tank Boss Fights from Arkham Knight.
Damn this could have been the intro to Batman Zur en arrh...the alter ego batman developed to fight mind control
It's insane that Batman out of all leaguers couldn't break out of the mind control
It takes them 6 years to make one of the best trilogies of all time and 9 years to make one of the worst looter shooters of all time. 😂
One of the worst? That’s not even remotely true. Say what you will, but there’s WAY worse than this
@@buffkangaroodog *COUGH* anthem *COUGH*
@buffkangaroodog not the worst but painfully generic, like even before the whole batman contreversey I though the game looked mid
@@toastertarts2990 He said one of the worst, he didn't say the worst.
Learn the meaning of stuff, gen z kid.
@@chickenwings6172 My brother in christ I made a joke about Anthem being bad. I have no idea what you're yapping about. Maybe you responded to the wrong person?
Visuals look five years behind the last game, not ten years ahead.
it reminded me of something from the early Ps4 days
I just gotta ask, who is this game for? Because it's definitely not for Justice League fans, Arkham fans, DC fans, Batman fans, Superman fans, etc.
It's for all of those Suicide Squad fans. You know the ones, who are real and totally exist after those two movies. And this game will create more SS fans! And if it doesn't, WB will keep making SS shit until you like it, or else! Because they're WB, and they're *never* wrong about what people want!
SS fans sounds wrong for some reason
This game was made for people who currently work for DC Comics that despise these characters.
The investors.
@@knowwhoiamyet I have a feeling it's not going to be made for them either once everything is said and done
I am retconning this game entirely from the Arkham universe, batman is still kicking ass in Gotham with his upgraded fear equipment that he got from scarecrow
That's the nice thing about fandom
Imagine a psychopathic serial killer giving a morality lecture to the man who constantly spared/saved/tried to rehabilitate her before shooting him in the face.
THIS !!
OMG that’s spot on. This new trend of trying to blame heroes & say Heroes are actually the problem while showing villains as all misunderstood & maybe they are actually justified because colonizers are bad or something is disgusting.
Meet some real villains, they murder innocent people and put people in steel drums & fill it with acid and torture people. Villains are bad. They are evil.
Some people are pushing Society to be upside down. SMH 🤦
Yeah it’s just not it
The fact that this game could've been a fun parody of other games makes me sad, like a regular escort mission but the person explodes midway through and now you have to carry their remains to Waller or something, or having some insane complicated plans with alien gadgets to kill JL but since the squad is inefficient and reactive, it wouldn't work in the intended way and end up freeing the JL member for example.
That actually sounds fun.
You could smell the rot on this one coming down the pipe for months. Once Sweet Baby was confirmed being involved it turned straight toxic.
Ahhh classic straw man
@@LeonJohnson-yi3hgwhy are you defending the game
@@Butter625 “Dont ask questions just consume product”
@@LeonJohnson-yi3hg ? Is this b8? Because it's not that good.
@@LeonJohnson-yi3hg Hit me with your wisdom. Im an open book.
Fun fact: yellow kryptonite is made by having Boomerang piss on normal kryptonite. Yield is increased by number of salutes.
salute how big the kryptonite is
My thoughts exactly when he mentioned yellow Kryptonite
It is actually just piss crystals. 🙃
"iT's CaLlEd KiLl ThE jUsTiCe LeAgUe BrO!!!" is such a lazy strawman argument.
The outrage was never about killing the Justice League. If Rocksteady had delivered a game with this premise that had Arkham-quality writing, storytelling, tone, and character work, where our player characters had some dimension, and where the heroes' deaths were treated with a degree of pathos and depth, nobody would be complaining.
The problem is and always has been the EXECUTION OF THE CONCEPT, not the concept itself.
Exactly this. They could've treated the deaths with respect instead of edgy cringe that isn't even funny. It's just crass.
@@MjollTheLioness-o4y forreal, im like why is this reading like the shitty 'The Boys' comic. So edgy for no reason
@@skinnyrat4277 Well in "The Boys" case the reason is that the author unironically hates super heroes, so he hast all over them in his terrible comic. So I guess the comparison fits, since clearly the writers of this game also hate super heroes and their fans.
But bro! The guy with a Boomarang literally pee’ed on The Flash. That’s depth man.
Well, the idea of the suicide squad killing the Justice League was always going to be a bad idea no matter who was doing it.
I'll be blunt
THe issue isn't what happened to Batman, the concept of him being killed by Harley of all people could be so crazy it works. I'm bothered about how we got there. We had ZERO character growth on Harley's part. Zero. There is no reason she should be able to pull all this off, and the same applies for all the other SS members.
Also, Batman in this game was very out of character. We are lead to believe that after faking his death in AK the league just invited him to join and he was "oh, okay" and went public. We should believe that the same Dark Knight who was thinking 4 moves ahead of his WHOLE enemy gallery while fighting them AT THE SAME TIME is taken down by 4 guys who are mid tier at best in comparison to Joker, Scarecrow, LAdy Shiva or Ra's. We should believe that this master strategist, with super human intelligence and limitless resources, while being mind crontrolled by a demi god being that makes him BLOODLUSTED, is taken down by those same mid tier guys just because essentialy they jump him and Harley decides she is now smarter than him.
Again it's not the idea, it's the execution. I've seen NPCs die with more dignity than this.
Just amazing how the studio that revolutionized comic book games decided to fuck themselves over a game NOBODY wanted
The game is doing quite well on Steam, don't know where you got the idea of nobody wanted this game
@@IsaacChoo88 i mean, at first I was looking forward to the game but after playing it I wished I didn't buy it.
The vocal minority on social media mean absolutely nothing. You’re all yelling into the air. Nobody cares and will still buy it no matter how much people kick and scream.
@@peartry it seems like the type of game to be half off within a month or two if player count doesn't fully tank.
@@IsaacChoo88see how many people want a refund
This game flopping is a good thing. Let them lose millions and send a message to the industry that gamers don't want this shit
Yes because people aren’t allowed to enjoy any games that the general mob deems not a masterpiece.
@@LeonJohnson-yi3hghe never said you can’t enjoy it, he’s saying that most people don’t want to play games that are written by people that hate they’re own characters
@@LeonJohnson-yi3hgI mean isn’t that the basis of economics. If the market has no demand for your game it flops.
You can’t demand the consumer to like a game, either they do or they don’t.
@@LeonJohnson-yi3hg this game was created to manipulate people into spending hundreds of dollars on loot boxes and skins and battle passes on top of the $70 price tag for the actual game. This game would have been amazing if it was focused single player experience and not a shitty live service game designed to make money
@@dalenocantrell9070 there aren’t ooot boxes bro
I’m convinced that these games are made in 8 months to a year
I'm convinced too. Announce game. Start hiring. A year or two later start the design process which takes 2-4 years of meetings and writing documentation. Then, you start making proof of concepts for a year or two. In the time since announcement, key people leave, more have to be hired, often trained, and learn how things work there. People take it easy on working because the release date is over a year away. Then the executives tell you you have to release the game in 12-16 months. That's when the crunch time of real work begins until release date.
@@travellingslim Sounds like a profitable model. Managers put together a focus group say what they think will sell. Maybe the focus group IS the managers. Then you hire "writers", half of whom will work for pennies as long as they get to be voice actors or have their OF plugged in the credits. Then you hire developers to build the gamein 8 months.
@@squirrelsyrup1921 Sadly true if it didn't make money they wouldn't constantly do the same bullcrap every few years with the same exact copy pasted content. People continue to buy into it sadly.
It’s surprising DC liscensing allowed the flash to be pissed on….
Your idea of Batman being broken of the mind control and giving him a better send off would’ve been very much appreciated. It felt so cheap to see him die like that. Also it doesn’t make sense that Batman couldn’t resist brainiacs brainwashing. Homie had buffed up fear toxin and the joker turning him crazy and HE STILL BROKE OUT OF IT AFTER DEFEATING ALL OF HIS VILLAINS IN ONE NIGHT
They clearly did not play previous arkham games
This batman is ridiculously strong. He managed to survive enough fear toxin that would drive many men insane while keeping the joker out of his mind through his will alone
I understand they wanted to make a suicide squad Game, but I just wish they could've sent batman off respectfully, be that him dying while preparing ways to kill the others at the least
But then the woke developers would t be able to live their fantasy of emasculating and killing batman after lecturing him
I honestly thought they were hinting at that since he kept trying to convince Brainiac not to kill Wonder Woman, but no, Batman was just a made brainwashed stooge with banter as bad as the main cast, and apparently the rest of the bat family is just dead now? and they had the gall to play an emotional version of the Arkham Batman theme after such a legendary character gets shot in the head on a park bench.
That kinda' makes sense, but on the otherhand one thing that bothers me in the comics is how they power-up Batman in JL stories. Like even if he was immune to human toxins, Brainiac's (and other Superman villains) mindcontrol is way stronger. Without some special Magneto-style helmet, Batman shouldn't be resistant to him.
Never mind the missions being absolute garbage, I don’t like how the devs and WB absolute do not respect the source material. I’m not a huge DC fan. I really like the Batman end of things and I watched the Justice League and Young Justice when I was a kid. I like these characters. I cannot fathom how they think it was a great idea to ignore how the lantern ring works, _literally_ piss on The Flash, and _shoot Batman in the head. In his bulletproof helmet. With a revolver that drops a shell._ After everything he went through? In Kevin Conroy’s last role? It’s oddly, deeply disrespectful. We aren’t mad the Suicide Squad kills the Justice League. We can read the title of the game. We’re mad because the devs shit on everything the Justice League is. Batman is why anyone knows who Rocksteady is and cared about them for so long. Wonder Woman should never be treated in a higher respect than the character that made your company and treat Batman like Old Yeller
Batman deserved better and the players deserve better
I’ve Never heard truer facts spoken 💜
Ong bru 🙏
i disagree with u im quit upset for killing the JL from 4 idiots
As soon as the original devs left it should have been a red flag for everyone.
As soon as Sweet Baby Inc. was revealed to be involved with the game's story, everyone should have cancled their pre-orders.
Both big truths!
One counter point. They worked on Alan Wake 2 and that game is fucking great. I love it and it truly isn't woke. It is actual interesting characters with great deliveries all around.
@@casual1118 sure
@@casual1118 What does that mean? Isn't really woke? I don't "woke" means what you think it means.
I'm glad there some other people throughout these reviews that know what's going on with sweet baby inc and the devs leaving. Have you seen the wonder woman bio? It's literally sweet baby inc using lex luthor as a puppet to push their misandry on the player through the bio
The tragedy is this piece of gutter trash is Kevin Conroy’s final appearance as Batman.
And Rocksteady had the gall to dedicate it to him. What a slap in the face to the most legendary voice of Batman.
Thankfully, even though this is (potentially) Kevin Conroy's final video game performance as the Dark Knight, Conroy has a confirmed role as Batman in DC's animated Crisis on Infinite Earths Part 3
It's like you think they killed him or something, they didn't know he was going to die when making it. They didn't know that this was going to be judged as his last thing. Wouldn't it be worse if they didn't give him a dedication?
@@atiredcliche depends how disrespectful would it be to open the International Adolf Hitler Synagogue? That's about how disrespectful it is to dedicate this . let's call it a game, to Kevin Conroy.
@@riduckulus1574 ...Why? He appeared in it. It was written by writers that he had worked with many times before. He has at least an hour of voice lines in it. It's not like anyone forced him to do so. Conroy chose to take that time and do the work. It would have been disrespectful to not give him a dedication when he died so soon afterwards.
@@atiredclicheI think the bigger issue is the very people that he had such an established working relationship with actually writing that material and plot for him in this game in the first place. It’s not about “they shouldn’t have dedicated it to him even though he died”, it’s “you took his entire legacy, then wrote THIS character arc in this game and disregarded his entire legacy and presence and impact on your studio (while calling this an ARKHAMVERSE GAME) and THEN dedicated it to him as some ‘show of respect’ after his death, despite completely disrespecting his work for you as Batman over the last 15 years.” If they had actually given any care to thanking or honoring him, they would have simply written the story-or at least his death-differently in the first place.
Not gonna lie, this video popped up on auto-play and I didn't know what it was covering when I walked back in my room. When I glanced at the gameplay footage, I genuinely thought it was a Fortnight update.
Yep. It just looks like it's a tryhard keeping your attention as long as possible. Just like Fortnite.
@@DubberRucksAnd it’s working, clearly
That's just ignorance towards fortnite
Im hurt for flash fans. Imagine seeing your favorite hero in a game for the first time and he litterally gets pissed on
Whoever approved of this should be fired.
You must have forgot about Injustice lol
yep, it sucks, we got the jerks of injustice and now they kill the JL, i just want a Justice League game
@DV-ou1yu thats not a particularly good game either but you are correct
@@leonardomonir4020the game has “kill the justice league” in the title. What did you expect?
I love that Batman has this Justice League contingency plan to get rid of them just in case something happens then you actually play and it's just King Shark mini-gunning the heroes down.
This game could have been so cool if the premise was "all the Justice League has become corrupted and must be killed and only Batman knows how to kill all of them" like was mentioned in the video. Having Batman need to work with the Suicide Squad to kill his friends could have been an amazing character turn.
Even the story as is, it would’ve been awesome if the game was “Wonder Woman x Suicide Squad”, getting to play as her, discover the contingency plans and actually watch her mourn the death of her friends, getting to meet with Lois Lane (among other friends of the JL) and just grieving, it would’ve been a better conclusion
Idk, that sounds like a better premise to me but what do we know, right?
This game was 100% originally meant to have a huge monetization system that was scrapped....for now.
Imagine scrapping the monetization in your game and its still a 2 pack of ass
@@killakam123321 I imagine they were hoping it blew up and they could just add all of that shit back later under the label of one or more "free dlc"
I like when Harley sexually assaults Deadshot after being told not to. SA against men is hilarious.....Isn't it?
"Shut up and laugh at the joke, you bigot!"
Yeah it is funny actually. They deserve it.
@@Norcat10 Ahh, the classic "Horrible actions are horrible not because they are bad, bad because they are done to the wrong people" argument...
@@AndreyKrichevsky I’m laughing at your pain.
Dude. Is just a game.
Reminds me of the quote from a J Cole song (for some reason) when he say "good news is you came a long way, bad news is you went the wrong way" Really cool that Rocksteady wanted to make a suicide squad game and the potential there is insane but to make it a live service looter shooter... Dear oh dear
“no such thing as a life that’s better than yours😔👌🏼”
I was considering it until I heard the words “live service “. My enthusiasm instantly left me and I instantly knew what was going to happen to this game. It happened exactly like I thought. Dead on arrival.
Love Yourz
It really wasnt their call, high chance that it was the higher ups at WB Games that chose that. They originally wanted to make a superman game (which is probably why this game is also set in metropolis) but the idea was denied by Warner Bros.
The founders of Rocksteady left when they heard about it they are making their own game studio now they didn't have anything to do with the end product really
The short length is mental to me , when there's so little variety. How can studios make things like jedi survivor in a few years and this in 7
Care. Simply put, the studio making the Jedi series love those characters and games, it's why Cal and Merrin have become such popular characters. The studio cares about them
This to me snacks of no love and care. Arkham series and care, but this had none
It feels like the writers of the game had a chip on their shoulders and just imagined that beloved childhood heroes would be the perfect receptacle of all that trauma.
You don't need to just feel my friend; you're spot on. Look up Sweet Baby Inc the company they brought in for character and script development and what they think of things like superheroes.
What? No it doesn't. This is weird
Any company that consults a company called Sweet Baby, deserves to fail.
Not Insomniac.
@@dylansharp8471 They especilly need to go down. Remove the rot from around the good devs which will no doubt land in their feet if they create a new studio.
@@dylansharp8471spiderman 2 was mid
ESPECIALLY Insomniac. Spider-Man 2 is even more Woke than this game. somehow. @@dylansharp8471
@@dylansharp8471 really? After all the woke shit and propaganda they put in SM2 how can you say that
Wonder woman being the only one treated with respect while the other members deaths are treated with disrespect and malice clearly shows what the writers felt. It's so obvious that it's pathetic.
why would the suicide squad treat them with respect?
@aaronb-b1881 I'm not even too pissed off. Like yeah sure why should any of these characters cry? They really shouldn't. However, I don't like playing looter shooters and they literally brought batman back from the dead from Knight, then dies again? Why what's the reason for this? To set up for you to KEEP playing this fucking game because oh no, they actually aren't dead!!!! Oooooooooooo or he actually just dies lol oops
@@casual1118 I’m not defending this game, but Batman doesn’t die at the end of Arkham Knight… if you 100% the game or just look on UA-cam you’ll see that.
@aaronb-b1881 exactly if they disrespected wonderwoman the same way I would have no problems with it
That's my main problem, why the actual fuck would they make only WW death a respecfull one? That wouldn't be a issue if her death was as bad as the other ones.
The way they killed Batman was horrendous. And the way Superman, Fkash and Green Lantern died was also really weak.
All the while them talking about multiverse nonsense means they can recycle them in future season updates if needed. So you KEEP killing them at a later date.
Harvey put it best: "You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
Goddamit rocksteady, why did you have to betray us 😢
They were being held against their will
The people who made Batman don’t even work there anymore just look at a picture of the company then and now it’s all dei hires just check the credits not one person worked on this game from Arkham so it’s not the same company
nah Rocksteady is long dead, what we got is a bunch of bottom feeding activists puppeteering its corpse around so that people will at least glance at their tired "my failures are everyone else's fault" song and dance before predictably leaving them once again to wallow in self-imposed mediocrity.
Suicide Squad’s development hell caused a lot of the original Arkham writers and devs to bounce following intervention from WB, leaving a company called Sweet Baby in charge. Don’t blame these old writers and Rocksteady, blame WB and Sweet Baby.
This isn’t the rocksteady that worked on Arkham. The creators also left the company as well. They are rocksteady in name only.
The damage that attempting to mimic Rick and Morty has done to comedy writing will never be fully appreciated.
I agree. Being cynical and an asshat isn't "deep", it's just being an ass and trying to call it deep just makes it look pretentious.
I'm so glad that people have gotten sick of the cyncism.
And Marvel cringe.
@billjacobs521 Absolutely.
Mimicking firefly was the start of the cancer
the sad thing is rick and morty looks like a masterpiece of writing next to this dumpster fire
I feel like the developers that left Rocksteady are the real talents behind Batman. Whatever was left at Rocksteady made this garbage.
That exactly 100% correct my friend.
Those people been gone, trying to be just like BioWare
@@Scantronacon Hope you're looking forward to Mass Effect 5!
ESG! ESG! ESG! ESG! ESG! ESG!
I think there has to be some resentment from the new team for the legacy (Batman) of the old.
Wow, Gotham Knights looks like a master piece next to this...
You’re not smart then
It showed a lot more respect to its characters than this, I'll say that.
@@o.t.t5172ironic coming from that pfp
@@o.t.t5172absolute smooth brain moment.
Square enixs Avengers game is better than suicide squad
Sweet Baby had the audacity to put their logo in the game's intro sequence. Now the few people that played the game or watched the playthroughs will definitely know half of why the game sucks.
This is entirely false, I have played the game and there is no logo for SBI in the intro.
Why are you lying???
screenshots or it didn't happen@@atiredcliche
@@atiredcliche If you are that lazy, just access their main website, Rocksteady's logo is right there, along with Square Enix, EA and all ther other major players in the AAA side of gaming. But you won't do that.
Going back I'm gonna say, he is not lying, there was a poster in-game for sweet baby inc.@@atiredcliche
Imagine lying so damn hard
Kudos for being so honest.
Devs and shitty writers need to be called out.
Will make sure not to buy anything with sweet baby involved
Sweet baby is literally the cancer for modern gaming! Hopefully most game developers see sense and stop using these clowns 🙏🏻
From day one I was hoping the title was one big misdirection. After all, it's called Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League. Notice the colon? That's important. It denotes a subtitle. They were ordered to kill the Justice League, but actually succeeding is a whole nother sack of potatoes. I thought they were going to free the Justice League by accident and be heralded as unintentional heroes, because I thought there was no way a bunch of jobbers would be able to beat one superhero, let alone four.
I completely thought the opposite. I thought it was more obvious that they'd save the Justice League and team up with them to defeat Brainiac but instead it lives up to the name
That actually would have been funny. The Squad has to act like it was intentional and play nice to the crowd. Waller would probably even go for it. She resents the Justice League for being heroes to the people rather than the government, so this would be a way to take credit.
@@greed-1914I actually thought if they did take out the Justice League, it would not be just based on them. Like they would fund Batman's back up plans to take out the Justice League if they went Rogue. Or like they instead capture the Justice League (at least Superman) by using their weaknesses against them.
Fun fact: there was actually a movie where a bunch if villans teamed up, found Batman's evil Justice league defense protocol and used it against them. Like you had Batman's parents bodies removed from their grave, then have hom buried alive with some skeletons. (Can't remember if it was theirs) Hal Jordan was dosed with Scarecrows fear toxin and saw the woman he lover's body. Ww had nanites effect her brain to see everyone she looked at as Catwoman threatening her. The Flash had a bomb strapped to him that would explode if he stopped running, Superman was shot by a kryptonite bullet to the heart, Martian was constantly on fire, etc
@@Ashbrash1998That's literally Justice League Doom.
I think everyone notices the colon now, as it just shat out the dogshit that is this game
There is only TWO WAYS to make a good looter-shooter:
You either make a good single installment like borderlands, or you commit to a live service full of content like warframe.
This feels like an abandoned live service at launch.
Here's how it could have been done for Bats: He breaks the mind control, turns to Harley and says -
B: Do it
H: Do what?
B: Take me out. I can't risk being taken control of again.
H: Oh I'll do it Bats, don't you worry. Puddin was a nightmare, but he was mine.
B: Why haven't you done it then?
H: I... I don't know... I guess in a way he was sort of yours too.
B: Harley, I don't know how much time I have.
H: I...I...
B: DO IT!
Harley shakes, startled, then fires the gun almost reflexively. She seems sad but shakes it off and walks away while the rest of the squad watch her go.
Annnnnd scene.
But I guess we'll have to stick with the drek that's in the game.
This. This would be perfect for such game.
I wish you would have wrote that scene and not the trash we got 😒
While this is pretty cringe, it's still better than what we got lol
Sweet Baby Inc state on their site that they are responsible for script writing and character banter.
You can tell. Why hires these idiots?
Is the ESG money that good?
Should’ve been a Batman Beyond game, heck even a Batman vs Justice League game would’ve been better.
That's because that actually makes sense. I still can't believe that they made this damn game.
This is probably a rumor, but didn’t Rocksteady want to either do a single player Superman game or a Batman Beyond Arkham game before WB turned it down and forced them to make this garbage?
I'm tired of Batman games DC has so many characters that it its upsetting only Batman has games
@@jinxact532yeah bring us a martian manhunter game that guy is sick
It’s either a batman game or a justice league game where batman is the leader with superman
@@Charleyyy678this game IS based on canceled Superman game
My theory was they wanted to make a suicide squad game to expand the Arkham universe, but were told to make it into a looter shooter. Got a lot of backlash for it and came to the middle to what we got now. Seems like there are multiple games in here and many external factors may have been the cause of this.
Expand the arkhamverse by literally killing all of its heroes so no one is left. Brilliant
Dude, the COs didn’t give the idea to disrespect the Justice League
@@horizont6172 We don't know that corporate meddling is very common, especially with Warner Bros.
@@miliyn17i love when people like this are loud and wrong, makes me giggle
Imagine having the ability to adapt a comic book city with its vibrant characters and abilities but just opting to have everything in a random city with a group of people that just shoot people.
I had almost forgot that was supposed to be Metropolis because it could be anywhere. Also, Brainiac looks pretty lame.
If Rocksteady had done the story in a manner where the Suicide Squad had to free the Justice League from their mind control and TEAM UP with them to stop Braniac instead of killing them, you probably would've gotten a better story plus the potential ability to unlock the heroes as playable characters(at least that's what I'd do if I were making it).
Right? Inviting another playthrough with rejigged art work throughout to reflect it
Make it that they’re like clones where if they’re “killed” the real heroes are set free.
Killing the Justice League is fine. The problem is that it's attached to the Arkham universe.
Yup that’s what I would’ve liked to see and Batman could’ve stilled died after finding out what he’s done he dies a heroic sacrifice
@@Bionic_Webb I was honestly expecting Wonder Women to break the mind control with her lasso and Batman to break it with Batman shenanigans, and then they'd sacrifice themselves while helping the Suicide Squad. They'd probably die fighting Superman and Green Lantern or something.
16:33 Harley's line "Its our turn now" is the only line said with malicious intent. This is Sweet Baby writers insulting previous Rocksteady writers. This is what they think of fans and the legacy that came before them. Their hubris has lead to their downfall and, likely, the closure of a beloved studio.
Thanks for the review, keep up the good work mate.
The studio decided to take those people on board, maybe with the involvement of the publisher but we do not know. I have limited sympathy for them.
@@MrPuch82 ESG, the answer is ESG.
they disrespected batman because of his "toxic masculinity"
dude took a line and invented a whole ass person to get angry about lmao
@@francisxavier8374Well, this is clearly the message of the game and the story, you would be disingenuous to deny that.
It's so funny how Brainiac defeated the Justice League here. He came down in his ominous, very obviously villainous, skull ship and was like "Im peaceful and definitely not a bad guy, i just want to talk to you guys" and the justice league actually bought into the trap 😂
Like no shot BATMANNN, fell for this
@@mythoclaust1283 that moment is effective at telling the player to stop paying attention to the story
Because its Shit-Tier Fan Fiction. and nobody will EVER Convince me otherwise.
@@mythoclaust1283Like No Shot ARKHAM BATMAN feel for that shit, bro would of probably already been on Brainaics ship, spread the truth to Lois Lane and blew it up before Brainiac got close enough to Metropolis 😅😂
This may help your confusion over the direction of this game - none of the developers from the original trilogy are still around to make this game. It is an entirely new crew wearing the face of the old one. 100 of the devs from the old crew went off to make an entirely new studio a while ago.
That is literally false, the developers you're talking about are credited in this game.
@@atiredcliche Run the developers of this game through the credits of the old Arkham games. It is a completely different team.
Only TEN hours to get through a 70 dollar MTX store's campaign is DISGUSTING.
look atr what the last cod it is worse then this game in my opinion at least i enjoyed running around as king shark
@@CasofShadowsyeah I bet a lot of these other people play cod.
@@CasofShadows CODs main stay is multiplayer, campaigns are just a decorative bow on the top but people buy them for online stuff. I know simple minds think shitting on COD is the thing to do but it really isn't, is Activision lazy with them? Sure but they are still what people want them to be and you can bet your dumbass that there is more than 10 hours worth of content even with the bad ones. Nice try at the deflection though.
What if instead of killing the justice league, we could actually PLAY AS THE JUSTICE LEAGUE
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Why would you even suggest such a good idea?
Yo that's a crazy idea.
Madness! Are you seriously suggesting giving fans what they want? 👀
Because nobody knows how to make a game with playable superheroes like Superman good. Batman works because he's no metahuman, so much more grounded stories and gameplay can be built around him. The idea behind a SS game isn't inherently bad, it's just that this game executed it in the most disgusting way possible.
Suicide Squad is just a worst Sunset Overdrive
The actual gamllay mechanics are better but the gameplay loop how ever is no where near as good as that one
Sunset overdrive at home
Minus all the fun.
Except Sunset overdrive was fun as hell. Easy 9/10 from gameplay perspective. One of the best Xbox exclusives
Don't insult Sunset Overdrive like that.
I imagined that it was the Ezra Miller Flash getting pissed on and then found it hilarious lol
Seeing some of the cutscenes made me sure I'm never touching this
When I first heard about this game I immediately thought, this game will be a dumpster fire.
Honestly, the Captain Boomerang pissing on the Flash's corpse scene seems to me like the most literal representation of a trend writers in media have been following for the last decade... "Everything that came before us is trash, and everyone who loves it is trash. We are the new generation and we know better. Take what people love, make a new product out of it, get them to pay us for it, and then piss all over it right in front of them to show them how little we think of them and their fandom..."
It's literally the best example of writers telling you this to your face since Kylo Ren's "Let the past die. Kill it if you have to" line.
I was desperately looking for anyone to say anything about this game that would make me go "i'm not going to love it, but here's one thing that i might enjoy that makes it worth trying it out."... But every review i see gets progressively worse... I'm very curious to see what this game will look like in 1-2 years.
It's sad isn't it? But, fuck em. Let them burn beloved characters and IPs to the ground. There's other up and coming people creating their own IPs and I'm looking forward to dive into those
This is why anime and manga are so popular. Anybody with half a brain can see the american bs for modern audiences sucks. That's why none of this stuff is making any money. Also why half of Hollywood is going bankrupt. Oh and if you want to see what this game looks like in two years just look at all the nothing that's happening with the avengers game right now.
Netflix's Witcher
What will this game look like in 2 years? You won't be able to see it to find out because the servers will have been shut down and it won't be playable anymore
isnt that exactly in his character tho
So, this is what nearly nine years of development looks like? Wow, what an underwhelming achievement. Thanks for saving me money, WB and Rocksteady, appreciate it.
Not even worth buying on sale either
Almost certainly a lot of that work was scrapped because of executives deciding on changes in direction. They probably effectively developed 3-4 different versions of the game over that time and only the last two years or so involved actual game design for the final product, with assets being reused.
@@psiah9889 Oh, I have no doubt about that, which is why I thank WB for saving me money, convinced me never to buy this game. Man, gotta love morons in executive positions.
Warner is notorious for screwing over games and forcibly restarting game's development multiple times. This game is just the most recent example.
The old main example of their meddling was superman 64, which was a competent game from the lost media demos but the final game got warped beyond recognition by Warner.
Between this and Starfield, maybe less time is better for development. Graphics are neat but who gives a shit if it's not fun.
I like how they have 4 different characters, with different gimmicks in the comics and other media, but they don't give them different gameplay. Imagine if there was interactive terrain features only King Shark could smash or bend into different shapes, or even water portions to move around in different ways. Or telephone wires and powerlines only Harley could tightrope across. Things that can be interacted with using a boomerang...
It's because you can play the whole game with any character, so they can't have one character be the solution to anything. You can play it with a squad of 4 Boomerangs if you want.
even PS2 games had more effort.
Everybody already had an issue with the game's premise being "murder all our childhood heroes", but for them to double down on that to the point of having them literally piss on the corpses while making a joke of it is *insane*
Kevin Conroy isn’t even JUST a beloved voice actor who voiced Batman for many years. For pretty much anybody familiar with his work, he is so synonymous with Batman that his death in 2022 felt like the death of the character itself. A gay man who came up through Hollywood in the mid 20th century, Conroy was deeply touched by Batman’s struggles with identity, secrecy, isolation, and guilt, moreso than most hardcore fans could say for themselves. He was at a bit of a low point in his career when he got the audition for Batman The Animated Series, and he was reluctant to take it. He was surprised by how much he immediately related to the character, and the creators of the show basically hired him on the spot, and the rest is history. By all accounts the man was one of the kindest human beings you could ever find in Hollywood, and he dedicated the last three decades of his life to the character and the community. There are many beloved and dedicated performers in film and television, but Kevin Conroy is genuinely on another level in terms of what he gave, what he meant to the fans, and what all of it meant to him. Killing him off in such an unsatisfying jus for an emotional Harley moment (one that doesn’t even make much sense for this version of the character) displays a blatant ignorance of Conroy’s legacy, which is all the more upsetting given the studio’s relationship with the character as you mentioned. I wouldn’t be surprised if this were the precise reason that the studio founders left.
Very true. I know for me he was what Batman sounded like always. I just that character was made for the show and that’s what he always sounded like. When I heard anyone but him I thought “they couldn’t get the real Batman”? I mean I know he wasn’t REAL but you know…
Just now finding out from this comment that Kevin conroy was gay. Wild
@@Mybasedworld Just goes to show that he didn't make it his entire personality like a modern actor would. Sad to learn though.
Whattt? He was gay??
@@Mybasedworld He had to hide it for most of his career, as there really weren’t any roles being given to gay actors while he was in Hollywood. The stigma from both the industry and even his closest loved ones instilled in him a reluctance to share. It wasn’t until 2016 that he came out to the public.
Honestly, they should've had it so that Batman was never corrupted, and worked with Waller using his Contingency Plans against the Justice League.
Unfortunately, that would actually require effort and time making an actually decent narrative
The sole purpose of this game is to generate maximum cash for WB and then eventually shutdown. So clever writing doesn't matter here.
that would have made it much more believable. the justice league is hard for batman to neutralise alone, let alone other non-metahumans so it make it that bit easier make it not too unrealistic in universe.
no no, that would be too much effort for this game's writers and executive
Yep. It would have allowed them to make another Batman game without actually calling it a Batman game.
Yeah, I guess I'll be skipping this one. I also saw some content from the creators saying, "we don't make games for your enjoyment, we make them to express ourselves!"
why do companies think people want live service games or looter shooters?
You know that live service games are what so many people play right?
@@pewyouredead the worst games have been live services, stop talking.
@@QfngB And still so many people play it every day
@@QfngB rather if there the worst or not is irrelevant if people keep playing and they keep making money.
They're all trying to capture that tiny percentage of whales that spend fortunes on them, so they can keep making money without the tedium of actually building another game, or bothering to make a good one in the first place. Publishers all think it's their very own KACHING cheat code.
Reminds me of when Bungie switched from Halo to Destiny, when Crystal Dynamics switched from Tomb Raider to Marvel's Avengers, now Rocksteady going from the Arkham games to SSKTJL...when will the singleplayer to live service infection stop..?
When studios like Larian and FROM become the new majors
When BioWare switched from Mass Effect to Anthem
Oh I pray to God insomniac doesn't go down this route. They're my favorite developer.
I swear studios deliberately try to make their games as bad as possible cause i could go to the street and pick 10 persons who would give the fans what they want
The two founders of rocksteady left during the development of this game. I wonder why 🤔
Imagine if the blue counter icon showed up around Harley's head and you're told to hit the classic counter button and BOOM you play as Batman now
😂😂😂 and the next part of the game is just a 7 hour Arkham game.
Life could be a dream...
The good ending
@@BiggerBossN313that would be an amazing come back
the loot crate at the end of missions being so slow to open is 100% my evidence for those being for $
thats not evidence tho? its a looter shooter and thats how u get the loot 😂
In regards to Wonder Women being the only hero that’s treated with respect, in her character bio it says she “solved toxic masculinity”… tells you all you need to know.
You know, i usually hate this argument since its so often used as a catch all for real and bigger problems with these games. I think WW was done "well enough" but...seeing this as a thing more or less tells me its pretty much the case.
I guess they could have tossed that in as a inclusion for those that cared about such things. But considering the rest of the game, it all just reaffirms the mentality of it all :/
@@dychostarr What a shocker, huh? Not like everyone knew that SweetBabyInc was involved for years.
Yeah, it tells us how easily offended you are
@@Helmutlozzi I never heard about Sweet Baby Inc. until i read this comment section. But after checking out their website, seeing what they are about, and what games they worked on, the world makes so much more sense now...
@@adoptic6342 it's not about being offended though. It just doesn't make sense, that's it. It's supposedly Lex who's writing these bios. So why would lex luthor, an actual murderer and supervillain be so up for Diana "solving toxic masculinity". If it was just to show respect then it's illogical to not praise the other members as well because they all do the same job as Diana.
If the main story missions are repetitive and boring, just imagine how bad the seasonal "end game" content is gonna be...
Yeah it’s that same 3 mission with just more mastery bs on it
It's not boring the people complaining just suck at the game
@@cdmanjakCope on your part.
WB saw Gotham Knights and was like “Let’s double down on this” and I can’t for the life of me see why
Stubbornly, anyway it's their problem now. People should learn to vote with their wallet.
I don't understand the comparison when it's two completely different games. You're insinuating that dc ips can't sell in a way. The main complaint for gotham knights was that it didn't have arkhams play style.
Gotham Knights isn't a live service game. It's a narrative game with co-op.
@@rufus5208 It's amazing how people are STILL getting that so damn wrong. There wasn't a single live service component about the game and people are still out here calling it one.
At this point I rather play Gotham Knight. Doesn't need a online to play or game is not live service
Pissing on flash was probably a dev fetish
LOL
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@@LeoBoy5286 sounds like made in abyss lol
tbf its Cpt. Boomerang a villain created for Flash, so naturally he'll do that
@@Chris-we7hh Except it's not what he'd do because he respects the flash. Because there was a similar situation in the comics where digger kicked a Trickster trying to unmask a seemingly dead flash telling him to show respect.
Or as recent as rebirth where he teamed up with a flash (Barry) and kid flash looking for answers pertaining to reverse flash (Daniel west) the current kid Flash's father.
Good job getting through this crap. I couldn't even get through all the cutscenes on UA-cam.