Canon C200 Vs Arri Alexa Mini / $7,500 Camera vs $75,000 Camera!
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
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"Smaller production, just getting paid 50k for a project."
Excuse me, I think I'm lost.
I’m just glad to see that the Alexa does have some extra secret sauce to justify its price. Great comparison!
Sounds like some of you Alexa guys might have gotten a little scared that you might have gotten over charged! LOL!
@@perrymorrisjr I wish I was an Alexa guy :-P. Canon Vixia HF R800 it is for now for me. For 4k I got my Gitup F1. For 720p cinematic raw I have an old Pentax K-X with an old 50mm f1.6 lens but 720 sucks really really bad. Yup hurtin for certain. I would even take one of these Canon C200s.
Model: what are you guys doing?
Armando: just comparing these two cameras to see if the Arri is worth 10 times the price.
Model: what do I do?
Armando: idk, just laugh and flip your hair.
😂😂
No joke that's exactly what happened, ha!
ahah i love the line "if you're JUST getting paid 50k for a project" 😂
FrogyProd that’s how the industry goesp
Well, that's gross pay. Then there's expenses.
@@alexandervolt6074 and taxes...
Alexander Volt There’s also expenses and taxes when you are getting paid $1000 so yeah I’ll take the $50k thank you very much
Love
BTW Rubidium (Crimson Engine) and I made a LUT for the C200 that matches the Arri Alexa Rec 709. It's a perfect match if you're trying to make your C200 look like an Arri Alexa Mini. Here's the link: sellfy.com/p/3Hxb/
ARRI has been making great digital cameras since 2010. Canon is finally catching up. There was no Canon C200 shooting RAW video in 2010. ARRI still has a very organic look to it. Once Canon enters the 8K arena for under 10k, it'll have Red and ARRI by the collar. Some film makers really want that room to reframe the shot and to stabilize the shot in post production. It's going to happen within 10 years. Great video. This is a good review. It's fair. Both companies have excellent colour science.
so what you're saying is the C200 is fast it just has a bit of turbo lag.
I'd say that's a pretty great analogy coming from a car guy 😂If only it had Nitrous?
@@mondobytes Haha! Needs a K&N at the very least.
Patrick Tomasso was hoping a K&N Sticker would give me 5 more HP or at least make me look faster because you know #racecar
Ha ha turbo lag 😂
Being a turbo diesel guy, I know all about turbo lag!
not quite sure thats how it works, but i get your point hahaha
I liked the skin tones of the Alexa Mini much more, really good video!
Great explanation of the right tool for the job. I just got the C200 and it’s the best camera money can buy for the type of work I shoot and my workflow. Now off to Rubidium’s video. Awesome video!
For $75K....I would expect it to also make me a cup of coffee. :-)
The Camera itself only costs round about 40k ^^
and sit in your lap while you drink it, fiddling gentling with your ear
Jim Black hahahaha
Just coffee?
Nah fam that's the set runner... An intern who works for food.
Both cameras are good but I like the girl more. ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
@@NicoDa1 if the girl can stay with me forever i'll choose the girl :)
@maxpayne123 But what if she'll stay with you forever only if you have the camera?
She looks like Saoirse Ronan
tf
i choose the girl... she can make money too and buy me a canon c200 or even an arri for free. :)
Great job on this one Armando! I wasn’t expecting that much of a difference in recovery! Wow
Thanks Max!
Film days we would illuminate that scene.
Cool comparison. Thanks! Next......C200 vs A7III with that custom lut lol!
Wow we meet again loll
@@jimmyhidalgo2680 what can I say, you have good taste in channels.
@@PaulFeinberg LOL Sonys color science is not comparable to Arri, Canon, or Panasonic...
Mike Honcho right, but you can match cameras colors in post and he has made a lut to match to Sony A7iii with his Canon C200. Colors are such a personal preference and get edited depending on the feel people are going for so I don’t understand the hate of the Sony colors. Sure they aren’t Canon or Fuji, but I think they did a good job with the colors out of the A7iii and A6400. At the end of the day most people end up tweaking the colors in post so I just don’t understand I guess, but I guess people need to hate on something from Sony because they are doing a lot of things right.
The Arri looks more ’dreamy’!
that's what diffusion filters or low contrast filters are made for.
Btw. Alexa comes with these kind of filters integrated and substantial for its look.
@@DennisSchmitz Thank you for the info. I have no idea about the technical details about cameras but I am glad to get to know what science is behind one the greatest cameras of all.
Awe inspiring comparison. An appropriate analogy is a Top-Fuel Dragster or Formula-1 Race car versus a Street Legal Supercar.
C200 vs Arri Alexa vs Green eyes girl.
Green eyes WIN!
Thanks for this, Armando. Interesting to see the nuanced differences.
My man, I would love to see a C200 vs X-T3 video comparison and I’m sure a lot of other viewers would be interested in that too 🙂
Agreed! Wondering if I should trade in my 5Dmk111 for the Fuji X-T3 or go higher end Canon.
Take the Canon footage into Davinci and switch out the color science for the alexa mini's. Boom.
I am currently learning Davinci Resolve. Got instructions on how to do that? I'm assuming it's with RAW footage?
The dead give away was the typical more yellow/goldish skintones which in certain cases are preferable to me as well.
It's why people still love their canon cameras.
C200 does lets saturation in shadow areas and color is more consistent through different exposures and obviously has a DR advantage.
Also it does have some kind of low contrast filter on top of the sensor which makes it look thicker and more dreamy.
Its great to see why two cameras are different, rather than seeing why two cameras are the same. Too often you see videos where someone does easy shots to get a much cheaper camera to provide images or video similar in quality to a much more expensive one.
Armando this was excellent and helped me decide which camera to choose for my upcoming commercial shoot.
@4:45 is where the Alexa pulls ahead. Her skin looks alive but the C200 makes her look like a zombie. Also notice the beautiful highlight rolloff in her hair with the Alexa.
Great Video Armando LOVE THIS Comparison, detailed yet on point, Showing exactly whats needed to be seen. really i am blown away by how much they both look the same when shot in a control environment but like yeah the Alexa do know how make itself worth its price.
To be fair though, the C200 is more of a owner-operator camera. Very useful for run and gun/documentary stuff. The Alexa is a feature camera mainly for rental houses. It chews through batteries and is not that suitable for a one/two man operation.
Just like the Red it can be working for you even if you are just one person, if you mostly focus on image quality. If you are doing your own productions with audio etc then you are right of course.
oh yeah, the c series are probably the best for a documentary run and gun situation, not to mention the battery life
Great comparison man !! I love my C200 and it is a better value compared to the Arri in terms of price of course but the Alexa is clearly better and has such a creamy beautiful image. Thanks for taking the time.
I see a difference in the DR test, but not a $70K difference.
At 4:46 the skintone difference is subtle, yet staggering...
I love that when exposed correctly the C200 can have a similar image to the ARRI. I'm wondering if the dynamic range difference is due to the sensors, or due to Canon's RAW light is not being entirely true RAW. Great job!
Each bit can only capture 1 stop of dynamic range so in reality the 12 bit craw can only capture 12 full stops of data. The LOG format attempts to squeeze 16 bits of linear into 12 bits, but if you want to color grade heavily RED is still your choice
Nice to see this comparison, but I think you are looking at two completely different markets. Why not compare it to the Canon EOS C700 FF? The C700 has a far superior dynamic range to the C200.. Also ProResRAW support is becoming an issue where you can very easily over/under expose and recover in edit.
Sooooo.. expose correctly and watch the backlighting?
You skipped explaining WHY (/how) the ARRI can better recover over/under exposure. That's a classic bit depth issue. The latest C200 records in up to 12 bit. ARRI exceeds that at 16 bit (fudged into 12-bit somehow). That's 16 times the levels, to retain variations in luminance when your subject's lighting goes to either extreme. This extra recovery ability is stupid-familiar to every photographer who shoots in RAW. I notice you show the +2EV ARRI but not the +2EV C200, instead going right to the -4EV C200, which looks a little flat, *but* for a fair comparison, you *should* have graded that to that same luminance distribution (contrast, etc.) as you did the ARRI, and then judge the IQ on things like posterization & banding. I'm actually quite impressed with the IQ from the C200's -4EV footage, but would like very much to have seen the results at +4EV too.
I always think on bigger projects, do I grab my C200 (8lb) or my FLEX 4K (25lb) is it worth that extra 4 stops of DR?
Funny you say that because that's how film is. You get more dynamic range with film but in Hollywood it's a trade-off for the convenience and cost. I feel that's the same here, I'd rather trade a few stops for cheaper, smaller and lighter form factor.
@@mondobytes, you seem to be more of a run 'n gun type of guy. Right?
@@mondobytes I would love to see a comparison of Arri Alexa image vs the Arriflex film cameras/ film stock. Love your videos!
How would the Panasonic EVA-1 stack up here if it were included too? Nobody on youtube really talks about it.
Great to see the comparison - I intercut C300 II footage with ALEXA quite often, and it’s amazing how close you can get them. Canon really do have some of the best colour in the business.
I would however like to point out a few things mentioned / not mentioned in your comparison which I think are important when asking the question “why is the Mini so much more expensive” as I have watched a few of these comparison videos now:
- The Mini is referred to as a 2.8K camera both in this video and the subsequent colouring link. The Mini actually has a 3.4K sensor - it uses 2.8K when shooting in HD and 2K, 3.2K when shooting 3.2K or up-ressed UHD ProRes, and 3.4K when shooting Open Gate. It can also display what *isn’t* being recorded when not in Open Gate, allowing you to frame out lighting stands and mic booms easily.
- The Mini sensor is larger than the C200 (28.25mm x 18.17mm compared with 24.6mm x 13.8mm) allowing it to use anamorphic lenses with no cropping (unlike the RED for example). It also has a higher pixel pitch (8.25μm v 6.4µm) - essentially ‘bigger’ photosites - resulting in cleaner images and better low light performance.
- The Mini records ARRIRAW internally, which is an uncompressed RAW codec unlike pretty much everything else out there. This allows for tack-sharp green screen keys.
- The Mini is able to record 200fps ProRes 4444 with no loss of quality and no sensor cropping at HD / 2K. Phantoms aside, this is almost entirely unique to the AMIRA and Mini cameras. I shoot a lot of food and we are constantly changing frame rates depending on the ingredient, and not having to change camera position due to cropping, or lose fidelity in the image is fantastic. On a side note it also changes frame rates instantly with a simple push of a button.
- The mount can be swapped from PL to EF in about 60 seconds - no need to send it off to the factory.
- The Mini effectively has an ARRI UMC built into it - allowing control of lenses through a wireless focus unit - you just need to plug the motor into the LBUS on the PL mount. That’s a $5K piece of equipment thrown in right there!
- In the other grading video the EVF is mentioned as being subpar. I am going to have to contest that - have you ever used the viewfinder that comes with an F5/F55/FS7, or a RED? The ARRI EVF is clearly the best 1st party EVF on the market! Also nobody wants to use a big touchscreen outside in bright daylight :P
There are cameras out there with *some* of the features above, but to have ALL of them in one, reliable, precision-engineered package - that’s the reason you pay so much for ARRI. That, and the fantastic image of course!
Nice video Armando. You hit the point with larger productions needing the best possible. Your camera package should match your overall budget. No reason to overspend on camera when you have a smaller project and viceversa. Great work guys.
THIS. THIS IS THE REVIEW WE NEEDED! Hell yeah. Thanks for posting this! 😎
Salvaged Circuitry thanks for watching! 👊🏼
Man your speaking is so well organized! It covered all the things I expected when I saw the thumbnail and title.
Every video you make is just perfect, I am gonna get OLED TV and watch your content on it.
What ISO are you using for the dynamic range test - it's known that the low ISOs will clip the highlight details. You waveform looks very familiar - as you won't be able to expose anything higher than about IRE 80 at ISO100
ahhh, thanks bro! I was thinking about which to get for vlogging. the answer is pretty clear if you ask me, I think ill get a Nokia.
Great video. Thinking about getting the C200 today. Not looking forward to the learning curve. lol. As I've worked with the 5d Mark 4 for several years and have gotten used to the simplicity of using it.
"Now if you're doing a smaller production, you're just getting paid $50,000 on a project"
-Armando Ferreira
My idea of "smaller production" was getting away with using a Canon RF800 and getting 5K for the finished video project. Granted, that was the project that also made me realize I will not charge per project but per hour because by the time we finished the project I should have made easily 18k on editing hours alone charging $50 an hour. Expensive lesson learned.
I have started my cinematography learning session after 20 years in photography. I can only suggest for big budget movies ARRI can handle difficult situation in cinematic scenes ,color science and depth is more real,the bigger sensor size can provide the moving image more real,the dynamic range is beyond comparison ,the rental is pretty ok .on the other hand for UA-cam video or small tv serial canon system is fine. It depends what you want to produce. lastly you can choose some more interesting topic to run your UA-cam channel.views are personal
But you can buy 10 of them c200... and will be more useful multicam situations
Very nice piece, particularly the dynamic range compare. More interesting (to me) would be Ursa Mini Pro/4.6K vs Alexa. Blackmagic is claiming 15 stops. And for $5K.
arri probably worked out something like partial sensor metering, different areas of sensor are exposed differently, software recognizing overblown area and its automatically balancing it without changing exposure to subject, looks like shadows and highlights are prepossessed to look more balanced with emulating soft light so it looks like there was light without lights
Please Canon C700 FF vs Arri Alexa Mini
canon 500 mk2 vs arri alexa
Very cool! But, what about a Sony venice?
At 4:39 it was already super obvious: the highlight rolloff on her cheek on the Arri is soooooo much more pleasing... You can't see the difference?
Even when both are exposed identical to perfect ratios, just project them both on a big screen (like a theater, not a Home Screen) and it becomes very apparent why we shoot movies (and TV/commercials) on alexas and not canons.
Thanks for sharing this one Armando! This was one of my favorites from your channel! Very well done. I'm a c200 owner as well and have shot on the Alexa some....another huge benefit of the Alexa is getting those ProRes files. The cinema raw light always gives premiere a pretty tough time.
Griffin Conway thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed this one. Yeah those Prores files are a dream to work with!
you can record audio into the alexa, you just need the XLR adapter
Great video!! Just for the heck of it, I looked up what camera director Kelly Reichardt used for Night Moves, and it was the Ari Alexa. Too much coin for me, but this was a great look at what 1/10th the price can buy!
Very cool video man. The dynamic range of the Arri is insane!
can't you use polarize or uv filter for C200 to see through windows and get same effect as Arri Alexa? the one at the window and that beautiful girl scene
No you can't. The only thing you could do here is underexpose the girl to recover some of the highlight, but normally you want to avoid underexposing your main subject since it introduces noise
Thanks for explaining these differences so well! If you ever get around to it, I’d really like to see you compare the C200 and C300. Great video!
Are you using Davinci Resolve or Adobe Premiere for color grading?
I'm still rockin a good ol 70D and lovin it. I want an alexa now tho
Killer job with the test. It would be great in the future to do that with Alexa Mini vs. C500 MkII and FX9.
I grabbed some footage online from the two, and Realized that Chromatic aberration on c200 is more apparent specially at spot where there are repetitive patterns such as plants leaves, water reflection from sunlight, also there are some visible aliasing artifacts when its not in 100%focus and when exposure plays a big part and its pretty hard to do some intense color grading on c200 in davinci resolve, it produced some unwanted noise, specially on shot that were really underexposed or overexposed, on the other hand alexa does fine even if you boost contrast and exposure like crazy, you can play with it like crazy and can achieved the look you want no matter what without destroying it, well just my 2 cents as a noob colourist. hehe
What is the name of the model?
I need to know for a school project.
I don't even go to school anymore
thanks for the review, on the side note, I really hope there are better ways to implement the ads, not cutting off someone when they're talking -.-
What ads?
Hey man loved your video. Can you please compare ARRI ALEXA MINI to Blackmagic Ursa Mini Pro 4.6K
Thumbnail: You’ve purchased two weird space-heaters (one of them connects to the Amazon Alexa) instead of taking your girlfriend out on that five-star Holiday she wanted 😂
Dude no matter how much better c200 look it has feel of documentary and their is something about arri which look so cinematic
Great comparison! It really shows that if you expose correctly, most of the cameras look good but where the pro ones shine, are image manipulation. I'm not sure if I missed it but I'd love to know the settings at which both of the cameras were shot.
Thanka for the comparison, really interesting to know about, I'm a long way off this level, however the canon c series does seem like something I would eventually like to use
she’s doing the flossing dance, haha! no joke, bmpcc 4k vs MINI would be gold. subscribed.
Can you do the exact same test with Canon C500 Mark II and Arri? Thanks for this video!
Would be very interested in seeing the same video done with the black magic URSA mini pro as it is something like a budget Arri Alexa.Just finished a shot with it today, image is lovely!
Thanks for this video! I actually really liked the look of the main shot of you camera, what camera/grade have you got going on?
The Alexa has more pleasing skin tones for sure
That was dope ,keep those kinda of reviews coming
Smashed that like button because of the model dancing during your test shot 😅
What codec were you using for the C200 and ARRI? AFAIK the ARRI is a 16bit raw, was the C200 RAW too? The C200 produces 10 or 12bit RAW, 2 stops of under or over exposure is hard at 10bits and a little less challenging with 12bits of color depth. At 16bits I'm not surprised that 4 stops is recoverable, since on a 5D2 at 14bits 2 stops under isn't terribly challenging. When shooting with my 5D2 I try to expose under by at least a stop in bright environments, since with ~11stops of DR you only have 2 stops above and 9 stops below the optimal exposure. By underexposing 1 or 2 stops you are gaining about 2 stops of headroom to recover highlights, without totally losing your shadows. Yes the ARRI is a phenomenal camera, but if you designed some tests that were a little less biased towards the ARRIs 16bit color depth, the C200 will look pretty good.
Good job with this video. Well produced. Keep up the good work. Big up from Jamaica!
And Mk 🙏🏼
Canon C200 Body is Magnesium not Plastic, thats just the shell. I had the C200 in some real extreme conditions same and it never failed on me. But same goes for the mini too.
How did you push the RAW files? In Premiere, Resolve or RAW Development tool?
What did you use to shoot this video with? what did you light it with? The video of you doing the explanation....the look of your tutorial review is spot on for what I am looking for. Please share! lol
Hi Armando. Great Video. Out of all the cameras you have used. Which one has got you closest to the Arri Alexa image?
Film Student Canon C200 and Blackmagic Ursa Mini Pro second
When viewing in motion, for some reason the C200 looks a little flatter and the Arri looks more three-dimensional, no idea why, I guess it is a result of many tiny differences.
Arri’s menu system is even better than Canon too Imo, which is crazy to think about, considering how good Canons is. I’ve heard DP’s talk about traveling to different countries and the Alexa Mini seems to be in every rental house too, so you can rely on being able to rent when needed, or if something happens to the camera, it’s easily serviced. But.. like a lot of gear, the lower cost one will be better for most people haha. Great video.
Ari Alexa camera was primarily used to shoot nic refn's DRIVE
Very nice 👍🏽. I like the side by side look at each and the C200 was holding its own for a bit.
Wow this was an amazingly thorough video. Those models are beautiful... and the cameras weren't bad either.
Also it really depends on the situation, E.g. Need For Speed was shot on Alexa, C500 and 1DC.
hey! that's my friend Allison! lol so awesome
I would love to see C300mk3 with Arri Alexa and see if its true that is the most similar IQ in the market to the Alexa, and the first non ARRI DGO sensor.
Armando I can't get this video out of my head . Which cheap Canon Camera comes close to the Canon C100 ?
yes Sir! thank you for the video. Behold you have one more subscriber...Please can you do a comparison of the Black magic 6k pocket and Arri Alexa Mini?
What low budget 6k full frame camera will you recommend for a serious Film project based on your experience?
Any chance you have info on the red Komodo. I know this video is a little old. Would really appreciate advice. Thank you :)
Great review Thanks for Sharing. How would the c200 hold up against the black magic pocket camera?
In the window test it looks to me like the Arri was slightly underexposed (smaller aperture) in comparison to the Canon. That would make a massive difference with the highlights outside....
Would love to see similar test but Arri vs Blackmagic Ursa 4.6
Man, first test the Alexa blew the Canon Out of the water, and it just continued with every test, the Alexa picture is Beautiful
But which one is better for vlogging?
What about a C300 II? Comparing a C200 with an Alexa Mini is analogous to comparing a Welter Weight against a Cruiser Weight in a boxing match , they're in significantly different classes.
It's very nice.
How do I get a one? And what about the price!
I think the reason why arri so expensive is because it faces to the filming industry, while c200 is for individuals.
The Arri alexa footages are always easier for the colorist to processing.And time is money,especially when a film has thousands of shots.
For the individuals,Arii Alexa is way more expensive than C200,because $75000 is a lot of money.
For the film industry, Arri Alexa is way more cheap than C200,because $75000 is much cheaper than the time the Alexa saves.