Canon C200 Vs RED Helium 8K Test - Is RED Really Better?
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- Опубліковано 5 бер 2019
- We put the Canon C200 against the RED Helium 8K to find out if it's really better than the C200?
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This is nice
I like these comparisons. If you're game, I'd like to take a crack at making the C200 match the Red footage. I just need 5 seconds of each. My background: digital supervisor at Disney and Imax projects. In 2003, my company created the world's first large format digital intermediate for an entire IMAX feature. One more test I'd like to see re focus pulls: I'd like to compare barrel distortion between the cameras racking from a BG character to a FG character (mostly to test the lenses and any artifacting).
@@scottsimmons6814 Send me an E-mail: armando@mondobytes.com
I did and it's great!
I sent you an email a few days ago... Let me know. Thx.@@mondobytes
I work hand-in-hand with several video production teams - our main crew and guest crews from Discovery Channel or privately hired. Canon C100, C200, and C300 cameras are outrageously popular. Our video guy last year switched to Canon as well and he's now rocking a pair of M50s and a C200. You literally turn the camera on, find the subject you want to focus on and rock and roll. So, from my observations, run-and-gun crews are using Canon. I'm also referring to "run-and-gun" appropriately and not as a catch phrase people like to throw out there. Setup time in my particular wing of the industry - motorsports - is the most crucial element next to reliability and Canon really delivers in both departments.
This opening shot is so so so so clean! Love the colors and contrast and separation from the background.
Those practicals in the background look great. I appreciate all the work that went into this. I always feel like I learn something from your videos. Thanks for posting.
Likewise thanks for watching 👊🏼
Great one, thanks! I learn so much with you guys
Great job as always! Thanks for sharing.
Great video Armando! Thanks for putting in the work on these comparisons for us to watch and enjoy!
Super informative and awesome style. You deserve a lot more subscribers!
Armando, thank you so much; all of your videos are informative and quite enlightening.
Those images are amazing...great video Armando!
Right on Armando! Great video! As always!
The perceived production quality level is so true! It takes being honest with yourself about whether or not we simply say it's better because of the name or... it really is better. Thanks for sharing this!
Super happy to see the Mag shoutout! Chicago loves Mag.
I enjoyed your video bro. Thank you for taking the time to make it
Also, you can make any camera look like a professional camera and people will take you 10x more seriously by simply putting on a mattebox.
Sooo, I guess im going to get a mattebox to look more professional.
Absolutely. Zacuto proved that more than 5 years ago when they did a related comparison of the various cameras from an iPhone to the Arri. Although in their test it was lighting that was the great equalizer. In the final results, not even the pros could tell which camera was which.
Yeah... that doesn't work forever.
Though, If you're stuck using a DSLR in a corporate/professional environment where the client sees you; you probably should try to build up your camera. It does helps.
Lol Yep i use to do that all the time back in 2016-17..
Put two matteboxes on for DOUBLE the professionalism!
Yup spend all that $$$ ...but still a shitty photographer...but soneone with a basic phone..makes shoots look amazing ..
Great Video Armando! Well done!
So much truth spoken in this video 👊
Honeslty, the Red looked so much better. The Arri and the C200 matched, but the Red just smokes them.
@@joshmvfx red is worst highend film camera
@@starnutron6147 all marvel is filming on red , u are wrong arri is a litlle bit better on color but they are much more cumbersome so there is no winner it is to choose according to the needs , it's like apple / samsung all time guys like u saying one or the over is better ....
@@jokerda8857 hmmm
@@jokerda8857 now I know the whole story
Great points as always.
Great stuff! Very useful info.
LOVE the gaff tape "matte box" holding the ND filter on the RED! I'm not saying I've ever done that, but I have! Hahaha!
loving this series
Your lighting setup is dopeee
Great video Armando!
Great insight, Armando. 12:00 is gold. Right tool for the job.
WOW Thanks man , you are truly preaching the truth .Keep this type of stuff up !!
Those last words at the end.. nailed it mate
Thank you for these videos Armando 😁
DON _ALD thank you for watching. 👊🏼
Clicked on this video out of the pure curiosity and did not expect the content to be this good. You have outdone yourselves. Such great appreciation from me. :)
Thank you!
This was so helpful! Were you shooting RAW?
dope video bro,keep working!
Armando... so many on-point thoughts here! Excellent rational arguments indeed!
Armando, superb exposition. Makes me wish I still owned a C200...sort of.
Your new talking head lighting setup reminds me of crimson's, and its super nice!
Really good looking A-roll & great overall vid!
Thanks dude!
Do an Black Magic URSA Mini Pro comparison next!
Hell yeah, and throw in a Kinefinity Terra 4K as well into the mix!
Thanks Armando!!
Awesome video, Armando!
Awesome collaboration all around!
Great video Armando. I’ve been working in the filmmaking world since I was 10 years old. I’m in my 40s now. During that time until now, I shot on celluloid, went to college, made a few indies, shot all over the globe, worked and film in L.A., worked with the teamsters, and ran media and communications for companies.
You’re spot on with this analysis. Most independent guys don’t need Reds or Arri’s. Those are union/full film crew cameras. You need so many components that you that “Cinematic” feel - good lighting, sound, focus puller, grips and rail operators, etc. - because those cams were made to pick up all the books and crannies those above mentioned crew members help accentuate.
And while you CAN use a Red or Arri on every day productions, it’s just a waste of money because: A) It’ll pick up the same everyday non-set images the same as a C200, GH5, Blackmagic 4K or 6K, and A7 series cams can with insignificant differences, B) The differences, as I aforementioned will go unnoticed to 99% of people watching. Major studios have either in-house or major contracted colorist houses (with highly trained professionals) that can make an film shot on the iPhone look like it was shot on 70mm film stock.
Only real pixel peepers and those who know what Dynamic Range is (aka people who know about cinematography) will notice, and even then we won’t complain. Truth be told, we WOULDN’T even know, if UA-camrs didn’t make videos about the differences (I mean no offense BTW) between the cameras.
Actually, we’d applaud the fact the C200s, GH5s, Blackmagics, and A7 series cams were used in a mainstream film.
And with Luts like the GHAlex, and other Arri conversion LUTS for a variety of cameras to emulate the Arri look, that gap is closing.
Frank Davis thanks for the comment you're spot on, like you said and I agree if UA-cam didn't exist we wouldn't care about specs but rather just going out and filming
Imo if a cinema camera has autofocus it's just a huge plus! Awesome video Armando!
Great insight. Very honest comparison. I agree that more and more creators (and clients) fall for the “name” of the camera and don’t focus on what’s needed for the job at hand. I’m actually in the market for a new cam so I’m basing my investment on 1) what camera can I grow into for the next few years 2) which ecosystem will benefit me in the long run..
So I’m projecting that within the next 5 years I expect my productions to get bigger so Im not going to invest in anything entry level but also don’t have a budget for Reds or Arris.. so I need to land somewhere in between where I can improve my current content but also know that I can eventually make the bigger stuff without having to buy another cam again when the time comes..
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This excellent! So smartly worded!
10:05 Very true. Auto focus is good. Especially on these newer cinema cameras. Before 2007, digital camcorders sucked. Good work. I agree with this review
Awesome video ✌🏾❤️
Great video!
man awesome background there
thank you, man!
I'm so sick of people harping on AF. Thanks for bringing it up. I can't hold my DSLR, do something with one hand, and have it all in focus without it. I can't film myself without it. DPAF is a lifesaver.
Underrated!
Great video bro!
Thanks bro, I appreciate you stopping by 🙏
Thanks for making this video. Because you told some real-world facts like the use of Auto Focus, RED or ARRI Alexa is not an ultimate solution for making a good production, which most of the people have miss concept.
Lighting in your talking head shot is on point!
Thanks my man! 🙌🏼
Hi Armando, thx for Your videos! Could You a test comparing the Kinefinity Terra vs the C200? Greets
Awesome video! Since we're on the topic of comparing cameras, I'd love to see your C200 vs an URSA Mini Pro or even those two vs an Arri. Everyone claims the URSA to be a 'mini Alexa' and I'd love to see if there's actually truth in that statement. Also, I have an URSA Mini Pro...
Carlos nailed that colour grade, would like to see how he colour graded that shot
Please sell your C200 Alexa Mini LUT. Looks amazing! 😍
You can buy it here: sellfy.com/p/3Hxb/
The Alexa “film look” is a rich softness, but I use Canon too including the C700! The RED Monstro VV and 5K Red for low light more run and gun.
Thanks !
Great comparison! Really enjoyed it, however one gripe..... The post sharpening looks pretty high on the red footage
I think the biggest challenge you have is trying to match the grade, not the cameras. If you were to load the footage from each, color correct to get a nice even baseline, you would have no problem at all grading the two to look the same.
Hey Armando, What about a comparison of the C200 to an older 4k or 5k RED camera like a Scarlet-X. Those can be found as ready to shoot packages on eaby for around the same price as the C200.
The raven package is about 8K used.. only about $500-800 more than a used c200
@@theyoungtravelier But you can get the Mysterium sensor cameras for around 5 grand as a full package.
@@theyoungtravelier But you can get the Mysterium sensor cameras for around 5 grand as a full package.
@@theyoungtravelier yes im still interested in this answer
The dynamic range difference is huge. Cool to see helium 8k vs the c200. Nowadays they both are really cheap to buy
looking forward to a camera rental website comparison... magrents vs sharegrid vs adoramarentals vs lensrentals for example
Hey Armando,
thanks a lot for this video an the effort you put into it. I agree with you completely in every point!
As an owner of an RED Epic-W with the Helium 8K sensor, I would like to add just those two points.
6:48 booting my Epic-W up takes about 30 seconds. Maybe that one you used was on an older firmware. Yes, it has to warm up to get the 100% best image quality, but even with a "cold" sensor the quality is not extremely worse, so if you need to, you can record directly after booting up.
6:53 Blackshading a RED Camera is only needed after upgrading the firmware, when the temperature changes a lot and when you chose a longer exposure. So everytime blackshading after booting up is simply time and battery wasting.
It's not a critique, it' just an additional information which is based on my experience. I use the RED sometimes as a run an gun option. For example I did a wedding with it, so I had to make sure to get the camera running very quickly when something important happened. It worked very finde. But yeah you're right, the C200 would have made a lot more sense in that situation.
Best regards,
Daniel / Fördy
Hey Daniel, thanks for commenting. When I asked Carlos about the boot time he said it takes about 1-2 minutes. Since I don't own one and he's had a RED for almost 3 years I was just relaying that information. I can confirm he does have the least firmware too.
I've heard different stories about black shading the sensor, some say you should do it after every shot (which I think is ridiculous) others say when switching from one environment to another and other say just at the beginning of each shoot. I guess it's one of those questions like "how often should I change my oil" lol. In any case, just thought it was worth mentioning since the C200 fires up right away and is literally ready to shoot in under 5 seconds.
@@mondobytes on the official RED UA-cam channel, there are "red tech" tutorial videos and this one is about black shading: ua-cam.com/video/IM3epUuxxxg/v-deo.html
In that video the guy from RED says clearly that blackshading the camera at the beginning of each shoot isn't necessary.
"just thought it was worth mentioning since the C200 fires up right away and is literally ready to shoot in under 5 seconds."
I've always thought that 4K is well enough resolution for a video... but my god that 8K footage is sharp!
would absolutely love to see your thoughts on the new BM pocket cinema 4k
Perfect timing for me and completely agree. Great test and comments Armando. Sold my RED 5 months ago and I'm getting a C200 to replace it now. 😀
Did you watch the video? The c200 looked awful compared to the Helium...
Josh Meade Yes, I watched the video and for the price difference it doesn’t look 5 times better.
Caleb Wojcik honestly to me it looks 5 times better 😂😂
@@joshmvfx Are you sure you are not a Sony fanboy in disguise, jealous because a Sony is not getting talked about? You sure sound that way.
C200 is a great cam. But pure IQ wise doesn’t even look close. Especially if you shoot product.. it renders highlights better than almost everything out there under the Venice
Wow, in direct comparison the RED is so much sharper that the Canon almost looks out of focus. But I wouldn't probably notice it if I don't see them side by side .
6:54 RED engineers say black balancing once every two months is more than enough
(unless you're operating in extreme temperatures or using shutter speeds 1/8th of a second or lower.)
Hey Armando, have you ever done live streaming with the C200. If so, how did you do it? Thanks!
Hi great video ! If I am not wrong, on its C200, Canon claims 15 stops of dynamic range in its Cinema RAW Light and 13 when shooting in MP4 format.
Inflated marketing speak. Like automobile manufactures mileage claims, take all that with a grain of salt.
Marketing political talk. The key is Clog2, which allows up to 15 stops. But it still depends on what the sensor is capable of. I own the c20p and if you use the max (12 bit Raw 24p) you get about 14 stops but you must have the 12 bit not the 10 bit.
As an ownerof the c200
Armando, I may have missed this, but did you mention what resolution/codec you were shooting the C200 in? I'm guessing you were shooting in 8bit 4k, since you mentioned 13 stops of DR, whereas the raw lite with clog should achieve 15 stops. Thanks for posting this vid.
thank you soo much love you
HDRx sets two different shutter speeds recording two files at once, that can later be combined into one file; eg, 24 fps at 1/48 (180 degrees), for the dark, interior room and +1,+2,+3,+4 (1/125,1/250,1/500,etc) or whatever works for the desired exposure) for the bright, exterior window. It uses a lot of processor power and has a max of ~40fps, depending on which RED and compression ratio. Cheaper cameras mimic this by recording every other frame light, then dark, but in playback you can see the flicker if you look closely.
But the best, when you shoot an day in a building with Windows :D
You can match any camera color in *Davinci Resolve,* period.
Wow the colors in your studio look sooo good! What did u change?
Haha just changed my lighting a bit to make it more dramatic since this video is dramatic ha!
Awesome intel armando keep up the good work
Armando, I need to know: what lens did you use for the A-roll? It looks absolutely amazing! 🔥
Tech Viewer I say it in my video haha it's the 50mm F1.2 Canon L
Mind you I am just going off of consensus and not from experience with this, but it seems like Film >Arri >Red >Canon C >Blackmagic Mini Ursa. If there's more to the list or if other people want to confirm/ alter this list I'm more than open to it along with discussion as to why.
Hold on, DSMC2 Red bodies take about 17 seconds to start up. It feels like a eternity on set but it's definately not 2 minutes =D
And you don’t need to black shade. Only if you change environment to very hot or cold. And even there you can generate presests before.
This lightning looks so awesome!!!! 😮
Thanks!
Lovely ma man
@1:31 -- wicked lighting!
If there is a resource (af), why not use it? Great video. (sorry for my bad English)
Is it me or Is that alley @00:23 in Downtown Pomona? Glad to see some representation. :)
Great video, thanks a lot! I am in the process of buying a C200 myself and have a really stupid and noob question but.. i will ask anyway simply because I dont know about it or how this camera works. When shooting RAW, are any video profiles or LOG modes selectable or can/need to be applied (like when shooting MP4), or because its RAW, basically is just RAW straight out of the sensor with no procession and end of story? Thanks again :)
One of the few videos in which I see a truthful comparison, where the merits and defects are described for each one of the 2 cameras. In many comparison videos (for example one that I saw between Alexa Mini and BMPCCK 4K ..) it is said that the difference between the 2 cameras is minimal .... A sacrilege for those who understand a bit of professional videos.
Awesome! I wish you can make a C200 vs URSA Mini Pro 4.6K video!
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Awesome mate, thank you! :) I have the same opinion....
if the test allowed you to use xrite color passport (or something like dat) i will use dat and color grade the footage in 3D Lut Creator... such a breeze to edit with that software...
Eventhough I can't afford both, but still very interesting video. And your talking head session's video quality is so good.
I loved this video especially the auto focus flex lol
😂
Are those body caps in the thumbnail? They look so cool!
Yup
I would be curious to have your thoughts and comparison with the Kinefinity Terra 4K or Mavo
Hey man!
What are these nice body caps on your Thumbnail? These guys are just looking bad ass! 🤩
GLOBAL DYNAMICS UNITED PL BODY CAP
Flix thank you. I just realised, it costs 140€ to ship to Germany. For a Body cap that’s a lot of money
Fabian Ja is leider n’bisschen teuer. Am besten selbst machen. Oder: Gibt auch eigene Seiten auf denen man sich Body caps customizen kann.
Flix nice Danke! Die ist aus Metall und sieht gut aus, vielleicht mache ich das doch
Flix Flix noch eine Frage. Kannst du mir eine gute Seite empfehlen? Auf der ich meine Bodycaps customizen kann?
11:45 NOPEEEE! C300 all the way. Armando 👏🏼🙏🏼
These videos are a great way to show value for a fledgeling production company. If you're making a film with a budget of millions on talent alone, what's $40,000 for an Alexa Mini plus a $70,000 set of Cooke lenses? Whereas if you're spending your own money a C200, an FS5ii, an EVA-1 or an URSA mini, with maybe a Pocket 4k as a B-cam, makes a lot more sense as it gets you most of the way there in IQ, with only the most fussy clients wanting an ARRI or RED. I'm currently going with Pocket 4k as my A-cam, and a BM Micro or original Pocket as a B-cam.
Armando, I need to know...What are the red body caps you're using in the thumbnail?!
Here: global-dynamics-united.myshopify.com/products/gdu-aluminum-lens-cap?variant=12119223468148
Does anyone know what brand or where I can buy the red lens mount covers in the thumbnail photo?
C200B = best camera in the industry and unbeatable for the price ($3,999) 🥇
How about Sony FS series？
Can you rank these brands ? Please red helium 8k or Sony Venice 8k or arri 8k. I want durability, quality and reliability