@@crimsondynamo615 it is very telling that Troughton enjoyed watching Hartnell's stories with his children, and that Hartnell in turn enjoyed watching Troughton's, and felt the show lost its way a bit once he left.
I was fortunate to be able to see most of Patrick Troughton's episodes when they aired in the '60s. He is my favourite Doctor and many of his stories (to a 7-yr old boy at least) were absolutely terrifying! Like all of us, I hope the missing episodes will be tracked down and released for all to see. Animated chapters and Telesnap reconstructions can only take us so far!
The 2nd Doctor, Jamie, and Zoe are my favourite TARDIS team. They balance each other out so perfectly. Between the Doctor's experience, Zoe's intelligence, and Jamie's simple common sense, the characters of a human from the past, a human from the future, and a timeless alien fit together so well in a way that no other Doctor Who cast has managed before or since. There are other TARDIS teams that I enjoy, and season 6 isn't my favourite season, but those three characters are a perfect combination, and I will always love them. Also, Zoe fighting the Karkus in _The Mind Robber_ is the best scene in Doctor Who history.
Orcsbreath I love those 3 too! I wish the modern show would have more companions from different times or planets. I mean I know they’ve had a couple but for the most part it’s been British people from whatever year it is IRL and it’s getting sort of tired. I wish there was at least a little more variety.
Hahaha I was hoping he'd mention the doctor and Jamie acted like they were a gay couple as a laugh, since it was the 60s and they wanted to rustle peoples jimmies since it wasn't just bible thumpers upset by it back then haha Always holding and touching eachother, it's hilarious haha
The older I get the more I keep coming back to the Troughton stories. In fact, he has become my favorite Doctor and I am grateful for everything he brought to the chatacter.
If anyone wants to watch The War Games (and believe me you should) try just episodes 1-2-7-8-9-10. It tremendously shortens the runtime and you don’t really lose much.
Definitely agreed on the notion that every doctor after Pertwee is tiffing on Troughton’s take. Maybe I’m in the minority, but what I appreciate most about 13 is how much she feels a lot like your description of 2: affectionate but distant with her companions, genuinely kind of vulnerable and with the goofiness and awkwardness feeling more like who this person just IS as opposed to a facade.
Agreed, one of the reasons I really am getting attached to 2 even tho I haven't seen much of him. His personality shines through and his interactions especially with Jamie are amongst my favorite.
Troughton is all through performance, we get told a lot that 13 is awkward through dialogue. But on my viewing anyway, I’ve never seen in any 2 story so far, him specifically say right to the camera “I don’t quite understand feelings” to dodge giving advice. I’m really hoping series 13 gets me to actually stick through to a finale next year, and I really hope the writers just let Jodie just play the role and show us the character of her doctor without expository dialogue, just give her lines and an interesting plot for her doctor to interact in and we might be onto something. Because I’m all for a more alien doctor who is very distant, just let the actor show it instead of telling us, I don’t mind lines from characters talking about the doctor or how the doctor feels, it can lead to some great scenes, but only when it gives the actors something to work with. 10’s outburst is a great example of what I mean, there is exposition, but what the scene hinges on is 10’s emotional outburst and convincing you he’s scared and angry, all while showing that despite that he’ll sacrifice himself. But Jodie just gets exposition to spout, and there’s only so many different ways you can emote “hmm, I think this technical babble, will be the solution to our gaping plot hole and we can all go back to ignoring Graham’s cancer scare.” If I can honestly point to one reason why I genuinely dislike this era of the show is the exposition. Like I know it’s not just a thing that has happened in 13’s era, but holy shit did they just kick it up to 11 or what. Exposition was usually tossed in for quick resolutions in previous eras, or sprinkled around to explain certain parts of the episode. But from the 10 episodes of 13 I’ve seen, I honestly had to count how many lines of dialogue weren’t exposition, because it was less than the lines that were for some episodes. I don’t know, it just isn’t entertaining to me to just listen to characters explain everything happening like 24/7, no one talks like this.
Too bad Jodie's doctor is ruined by awful show runners and writers, her stories are just pish. Or does anyone actually think Doctor not actually being a time lord is good writing?
Patrick Troughton is very quickly becoming my favourite doctor of all of them. I’ve always been luke warm on most of them and never had a specific favourite, but with every story I watch he grows on me very quickly. The Mind Robbers is some of the best TV I have ever watched, I can say Hand on heart. A 60s story that’s concept is timeless
I actually felt like Shada could work as a Second Doctor story, especially the part where the Doctor pretends to be stupid so the orb doesn’t kill him. “Ohhh dear, I’m so sorry. I’m very stupid you know.”
Frank Spencer I just watched a documentary on the region two Blu-ray of Shada about strikes on the BBC and one of the producers or actors said that fidgeting with the set or costume could warrant a strike cause the actor would be “stealing” a crew member’s job. I’m sure at one point unions where necessary, but Unions in these days is just tedious and sometimes bad for everyone. Remember Holster? They closed down due to a union’s actions and nobody had a job now.
@@androzani Unions are essential. In a long and varied working life I've seen employers who have behaved disgracefully to employees, but I remember the idiotic union disputes of the 1970s. Its all about balance and working together. In the pottery industry the owners and unions worked closely together, brought in standardised pay and conditions and never had a strike.
Zac Mumblethunder I guess it depends on the union then. I know there is one at my mother’s post office, that acts about the same as what you described. It might really just depend on what the union’s view is. Yours seems like a nice one.
I have a Doctor who trivia book. And 6 of the actors who have played the Doctor. Say the 2nd Doctor is their favorite. That says it all! He’s the best!
I have an unhealthy amount of affection for the dominators. I always enjoy the goofy and over the top nature of it. Definitely not a masterpieces but fun nonetheless
@@SamyulDavis A Good Editor Would Tell You A Story Like The War Games Needs More Than 4 Parts Of 25 Minutes Each Episode,is Way Too Short For The War Games! 6 Parts is All This Story Really Needed,Then There's Being 4 Parts Too Long! The War Games Doesn't Work As a 4 Part'er, What You Have Described is Very Rushed And NOT a GOOD Story! What You Have Described is a Terribly Rushed Story Perfectly Proves WHY Your a Terrible Editor!
@@SamyulDavisI Didn't Mean To Be Insulting I Am Trying To Help You Become a Better Editor,Because You Aren't A Good Editor Fact! The War Games Doesn't Work As a 4 Part'er, What You Have Described is Very Rushed And NOT a GOOD Story! What You Have Described is a Terribly Rushed Story Perfectly Proves WHY You Are Not a Good Editor Yet, I Want To Help You Become a Better Editor! I Want To Help People, Got A Problem With That! DAVIS SAID "Your comment had a lot of words and yet still added nothing" WRONG I Explained That What You Have Described is Very Rushed And NOT a GOOD Story,a Good Story Needs To Not Be Rushed or Being Too Long!
I've not seen that much of Troughten (thanks BBC). I used to be lukewarm on him because I thought while he was influential and vital to the character a lot of what he brings to the table has been done by other Doctors. He's really grown on me recently. Best episodes: . Web of Fear . Power of the Daleks . Fury from the Deep . The Invasion . Mind Robber . War Games . Tomb of the Cybermen My favourite moment is the ending of Web of Fear. He looses for the first time, berates his friends for trying to help him and reveals he was decieving all of them. Then you realise that he was going to absorb the Great Intelligence maybe not just to stop him but to get his knowledge. It's a really subtle way of hinting at the greed and ambition of this seemingly amicable take on the character.
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You should watch the Enemy of the world serial. The final episode is simply sublime.
Personally, The Macra Terror is one of my favourites - the presence of the macra is ominous and looms over the story so effectively, and the animated reconstruction is really nicely done I feel.
The greatest complement that I can give Trouton is that he pulled it off successfully. Every regeneration starts out with the new Doctor fumbling to find himself, but end the Episode confident and familiar. That's all Patrick Troughton.
I absolutely love War Games. Yes, it was too long. Even Terrance Dicks admits that. Of course, he also explains that basically he had to stretch his story over that many episodes because they needed more episodes. That was very common in early Who days. The entire first episode of The Mind Robbers was created to fill space that suddenly needed to be filled with essentially zero budget, although to be fair it probably makes much better use of that stretched space. Terrance Dicks is the trouble shooting writer of Doctor Who, and of course War Games is one of his early attempts. He was the one who would be called on to suddenly fill unexpected space or create a script that was budget friendly or write an episode before the cast is finalized or finish a script when the original writer couldn't get a workable script done, and he was really, really good at it. A good writer can write an epic script with a solid budget and solid cast. A truly amazing writer can write a passable script with almost no budget and regular production problems. Yes, I do believe War Games would be better if it were closer to 6 episodes, and it did get a bit repetitive, and yet I can and have watched all 10 episodes multiple times and still manage to be engaged through all 10 episodes in spite of everything.
Trouhgton is definitely my favorite doctor. He not only was a great actor, but he had great companions, and my favorite era of the show. Enemy of the World, Web of Fear, Power of the Daleks are some of my favorite stories in the show's history.Evil of the Daleks is my favorite Dalek story ever, and the War Games is my favorite story of all time. The Dominators and the Space Pirates are definitely the weakest of his era, but what's around it make up for them. What an absolutely perfect doctor, there is really nothing bad to say about Troughton at all.
When you think about it, William Hartnell's performance is "easier" to be imitated/impersonate than Patrick Troughton's Doctor. When 2 talks or walks/run or makes a face, that's a very specific performance. Honestly the first three or four Doctors define what every Doctor has/is/will play, especially Troughton.
The Mind Robber was the first Doctor Who I ever saw and it scared the life out of me! I still love it and enjoyed watching it again on DVD. I had completely for gotten the "replacement of Jamie though I did remember the Doctor picing together the picture to get Jamie.
My first Doctor! The first episode I ever watched of Doctor Who was The Web of Fear, plus he is The Doctor that I have the most DVDs of in my small DVD collection
The Second Doctor was before my time, so for many years I only really knew the Troughton era from novelisations that I had as a kid - many of which seemed quite scary to me. When I finally saw (or heard) the Troughton stories for real, I was surprised by how funny he could be. Having now seen (or heard!) all the classic Who available, I rate him my favourite Doctor. The chemistry between him and Jamie is hugely enjoyable, and Troughton is a genuinely good actor who manages to hit a near-perfect tonal balance between being serious and flippant - something the show has rarely got right, but he nails it throughout his tenure. Many of the Troughton stories are also really interesting: there's a real sense that the show was in that perfect place where it had hit its stride and worked out its identity, but it hadn't yet played all its cards. The writers seemed keen to explore fresh angles on returning enemies (e.g. the Daleks and Cybermen) and expand on concepts (e.g. the Time Lords, the Doctor's origin, etc.) that only been hinted at before. It's a massively important era for the show during which it defined itself for the future, the performances are hugely enjoyable, and - bar the odd clunker - the stories are a real pleasure to revisit again and again. It's a benchmark era for this long-running series, IMHO, and it's the place the show's current producers need to look to if they're going to get it back on course.
The 2nd Doctor was when the show hit its true stride. Hartnell did his best but putting the humor out front made the show something that could span decades with its appeal. Plus proving the character could be done by different actors over its long run and help to keep it fresh.
I remember the most gripping cliff hanger for me was the Invasion, in the end of episode 5 I think, where the invasion starts, and suddenly the Doctor puts his hand on the back of his neck, and panickingly says "My depolerizer must have fallen off!" And then proceeds to fall unconscious. It was unexpected and surprised me a lot. I was genuinely worried for a few minutes until I started the next episode.
I love the Underwater Menace too. I particularly love the fact that they start to leave Zaroff, and then the Doctor is like, "Wait, we can't leave him," and tries to go back to save him, but it's too late. I like that bit of character that we get to see. I do agree that it's totally sixties, but I love sixties TV.
I am too young to have seen Patrick Troughton's episode, I got into his stories through the novelisations before they started releasing the videos. He is also my favourite.
I grew up with Tom Baker and Peter Davison, but I've really come to appreciate the earlier Doctors, especially Troughton. It's a shame so much of the Troughton era is missing.
My favourite classic doctor, Eccleston is my favourite modern doctor and honestly I'd love a story with two of them just because the are both so different from one another
Worst: The Space Pirates, The Krotons, The Dominators, The Ice Warriors, The Macra Terror (Dishonourable mention: Fury from the Deep) Best: The War Games, The Invasion, The Enemy of the World, The Underwater Menace, The Web of Fear (Honourable mention: The Highlanders)
@@JRCSalter I thought it was widely appreciated. I was shocked that it wasn't in this video. I wonder how many people will get triggered at me for considering Fury from the Deep as one of the worst.
@@LaytonMathieson It may be appreciated, but it doesn't get talked about as much as many of the others. Especially as it is the only serial in that season that isn't a base-under-siege story. When the episodes were found, it felt overshadowed by The Web of Fear, but it was the Troughton story I most wanted returned to the archives. (A spot now held by Evil of the Daleks) I think Fury from the Deep has some appreciation due to the fact that one of the few surviving clips is also the creepiest Doctor Who has EVER been. But yeah, it's not the best story.
@@JRCSalter I like The Enemy of the World because the scale of it feels really big, with several locations and sets. Jamie and Victoria have a lot to do, and while Troughton is essentially playing 4 roles (the Doctor, Salamander, and both impersonating each other), he doesn't have much to do as the Doctor, but he's still fantastic as he always is. I think Troughton is the most consistent Doctor of all. No matter what the episode is, he always shines in it.
Just listened to Daughter of the Gods. Big Finish continue to surprise me; I never thought I'd care this much about Katarina... Of-course I'll remember you.
Troughton is really one I've always struggled to get into and funnily enough it's not a 60s related thing because I LOVE the Hartnel stories. I want to try to get morr into Troughton though, so I'm happy to have your recommendations.
@@diamondaxe4133 it's a story that seems to get a tiny bit better each time you watch it. It's worth watching just to see Delgado play a romantic lead for once!
The thing about the War Games is that it was originally two stories that fell thorough at the last minute so they had to write a ten episode story and they had no other option.
Definitley an underrated Doctor that is low in polls due to people always putting New Who Doctors in the top 5 because the effects are 'soooo much better.'
Patrick Troughton is the best ever Doctor and yet most of his best don't even exist. So sad. Evil of the Daleks, Power of the Daleks, Web of Fear, Tomb of the Cybermen, The Ice Warriors, Fury from the Deep, The Invasion, The Faceless Ones, The Moonbase, The Mind Robber and The Abominable Snowmen are classics, had his whole era survived, it would be he and not Tom Baker or David Tennant that is the most popular. Evil of the Daleks is my all-time favourite story.
The 1st Doctor had a trick too. In 1st story he is talked to as an old fool by both the teachers who expect a man of his age to be a bit mad & underestimating him. It is just as much a disguise as the comic look for the 2nd. Tomb of the Cybermen is my favourite of his. Because of all the later Cybermen episodes I'd seen 1st this could have been boring but it wasn't, from the face by the door to the mice like Cybermats. Then them de-frosting! Just all worked so well.
@@Comakino - The Power of the Daleks - The Evil of the Daleks - Day of the Daleks - Planet of the Daleks - Genesis of the Daleks - Destiny of the Daleks - Resurrection of the Daleks - Revelation of the Daleks - Remembrance of the Daleks - Victory of the Daleks - Asylum of the Daleks Such imagination.
There is a very good reason why actors play more than one character in an audio drama and that is budget. Actors are mostly paid for audio dramas based on how many days they work (or half days in some circumstances) . So using an actor already scheduled to be in that day to record another small bit part on top of their main can save a lot of money as they don’t have to buy pay another actor to come in and do it.
I think that the reason why this doctor is so weird and goofy is because the doctor had his first regeneration and as we know the doctor is goofy after the regeneration. Since it was his first it changed him and he never really settled down after his first
Nitro Indigo from what I have seen online. People do hate “The Dominators” But personally I really like that one. But in my opinion I love every 2nd Doctor story. Own them all on dvd.
@@SirMeowsAlot89 It's a fun story. A bunch of useless aliens threatened by a pair of bickering grouches who are assisted by robots that look like they came out of a Christmas stocking. Yet because the Dr and his pals care so much, we care as well.
i agree that the dominators isnt very good... but i still unironically love it to be honest. like i would never seriously argue that its good, but i think its super fun.
I love the second doctor's era but The Mind Robber is one of my least favorite stories. It's interesting to hear how different fans have varied tastes. To each his own.
2, 5, 9, 10, 12 are my favourites. Depending on the episode, each one is can place anywhere in the top 5.. (8 is honourable mention since he was my first).
The most maligned Doctor for many years due to the non-availability of episodes and the ones that were screened, like Krotons and Dominators, were certainly not among the best. He was often voted least favourite Doctor in Dr Who magazine but I always felt this unfair due to the lack of availability - the bulk of Who fans came from the Pertwee/Baker era and they'd never laid eyes on Troughton except in the Three Doctors and the odd showing of excerpts at conventions. I was extremely thankful for the Target series of books in the late 70s that allowed us access to many of the Second Doctor's stories. Tomb and War Games were my first introduction to him on VHS and you could immediately tell the chemistry between Troughton and Frazer Hines was huge. It's disappointing to hear Wheel in Space is disappointing as I love Zoe and looked forward to seeing her debut (still no sign of Jamie's debut in the Highlanders either). We've been robbed of Lethbridge-Stewart's debut and the photos in Web of Fear just didn't cut it. I await with anticipation for Abominable Snowman (surely it should have been chosen before Macra Terror or Underwater Menace!!!!). Thanks for the above review. I thought you were spot on with your objective synopsis of Patrick being the best!
I've just seen the Dominators and it's my favorite serial of the Second Doctor. No drag, no dead weight, it had five episodes and it does the story justice in those 5 episodes. Pacifism can only exist in a vacuum and up to that point, the planet was in a vacuum. I personally view the serial more as being anti-Imperialism than anti-peace- two guys with robotic slaves... it's an oxymoron, roll with it... come in and take over a less advanced civilization because they could. Bullies? YES... you are bullies. We are bullies, it's a western civilization thing to be bullies. Mostly it's just Britain though, the UNITED KINGDOM... it makes me wonder if they were too close to the subject to see it. "Might makes right, it's a jolly good time for us, pity about those guys though." In the end, the British... I mean the DOMINATORS were hoisted by their own petard... literally, love it... by leaning too much into their own hype. Completely not what historically happened though I'm not sure what happened exactly. The Empire crumbled under its own weight of being an Empire.
As great as the original thumbnail was... it didn’t fit this video. This series feels so tightly knit together, that it really is a passion project. If there was ever a man who truly loved Doctor Who, Davis would certainly be one of them.
I feel like most of the Doctors were primarily based on Two. The most obvious ones are 7 and 11 but you can see shades of him in 3, 4, 5, 8, 10 and 13.
@Kaagh178 So the Doctor deserved death? Or at least, capital punishment and transportation to a less protected, more vulnerable world? You say that the End of Time destroyed the Timelords' reputation, but that was only the majority decision of a small council of those in power. The doctor's execution indicates a systematic approach to punishment where centuries, possibly millennia can be taken away by stealing a broken machine, wounded tech, in search of knowledge, truth, and eventually justice to the universe. And also, they changed. They got better because of the Doctor's search for truth. I simply believe that they're a better people than they once were. Basically good now, but not for all time.
This is a riiiiidiculous take that is opposed to the entire spirit of the show. How do you manage to constantly spout the most off-kilter shit so angrily?
What's odd about the Invasion is that it feels like two different four parters. Like, the Cybermen don't even show up until the cliffhanger to Part Four. Just a thought.
I had watched a few Classic Who stories back when I wanted to get into it (An Unearthly Child, The Daleks, I think The Five Doctors as well) but I didn't get hooked until I watched my first Patrick Troughton story, which was The Mind Robber. The Doctor, the companions, the dynamics, the setting, the story.. everything just works perfectly. I have seen all of the second Doctor, there is to watch, tho I have not gotten into the missing ones that aren't animated. I can't wait to get The Faceless Ones and Fury from the Deep this year! Also: maybe I missed something but did you just put The War Games at the end of your top five worst without even explaining if that's supposed to be an in between spot or whatever?
Sometimes I put in a middle ground pick if it's particularly era-defining but I don't love or hate it. Mind Robber is almost certainly the classic episode i'd show first to a new fan.
My favourite Doctor easily. His era was imperfect and flawed story wise, but Patrick Troughton was outstanding throughout. Tom Baker, Jon Pertwee and I'm in the minority with Peter Capaldi and Peter Davison were quite great, but Patrick Troughton is my Doctor.
William gave life to the character of the Doctor but Patrick ensured the longevity of the character.
Hartnell was right when he said that troughton was perfect to play the Doctor
Indeed.
You’re god damn right
@@crimsondynamo615 it is very telling that Troughton enjoyed watching Hartnell's stories with his children, and that Hartnell in turn enjoyed watching Troughton's, and felt the show lost its way a bit once he left.
Very well said. Without Troughton we would not still be enjoying the show today. The entire fan base owes him an unpayable debt.
sees *objectively the best doctor who*
me, a tear in my eye: you're right
Truth
If there is an objective best, it's Tom
Yes. Neither Tom Baker or Sylvester McCoy (my other two favourites) would be as great as they are without Troughton.
I was fortunate to be able to see most of Patrick Troughton's episodes when they aired in the '60s. He is my favourite Doctor and many of his stories (to a 7-yr old boy at least) were absolutely terrifying! Like all of us, I hope the missing episodes will be tracked down and released for all to see. Animated chapters and Telesnap reconstructions can only take us so far!
The 2nd Doctor, Jamie, and Zoe are my favourite TARDIS team. They balance each other out so perfectly. Between the Doctor's experience, Zoe's intelligence, and Jamie's simple common sense, the characters of a human from the past, a human from the future, and a timeless alien fit together so well in a way that no other Doctor Who cast has managed before or since. There are other TARDIS teams that I enjoy, and season 6 isn't my favourite season, but those three characters are a perfect combination, and I will always love them.
Also, Zoe fighting the Karkus in _The Mind Robber_ is the best scene in Doctor Who history.
Orcsbreath I love those 3 too! I wish the modern show would have more companions from different times or planets. I mean I know they’ve had a couple but for the most part it’s been British people from whatever year it is IRL and it’s getting sort of tired. I wish there was at least a little more variety.
Haha well also with new who, save for Jack every companion is present day, so it's hard to have that kind of variety
Hahaha I was hoping he'd mention the doctor and Jamie acted like they were a gay couple as a laugh, since it was the 60s and they wanted to rustle peoples jimmies since it wasn't just bible thumpers upset by it back then haha
Always holding and touching eachother, it's hilarious haha
@@KaladinVegapunk Nardole and River too!
Troughton is undoubtedly the doctor that clicks with me the most. He holds the perfect balance between quirky and serious
The older I get the more I keep coming back to the Troughton stories. In fact, he has become my favorite Doctor and I am grateful for everything he brought to the chatacter.
"as a dom myself"
ah i see you're a man of culture as well
I thought he was a Sam
Sebastian G. What’s a Sam?
@@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 A Bottom.
"as a dom myself"
*That nearly finished me off.* ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
If anyone wants to watch The War Games (and believe me you should) try just episodes 1-2-7-8-9-10. It tremendously shortens the runtime and you don’t really lose much.
Definitely agreed on the notion that every doctor after Pertwee is tiffing on Troughton’s take.
Maybe I’m in the minority, but what I appreciate most about 13 is how much she feels a lot like your description of 2: affectionate but distant with her companions, genuinely kind of vulnerable and with the goofiness and awkwardness feeling more like who this person just IS as opposed to a facade.
Agreed, one of the reasons I really am getting attached to 2 even tho I haven't seen much of him. His personality shines through and his interactions especially with Jamie are amongst my favorite.
I'd say six wasn't based off of two as well.
Troughton is all through performance, we get told a lot that 13 is awkward through dialogue. But on my viewing anyway, I’ve never seen in any 2 story so far, him specifically say right to the camera “I don’t quite understand feelings” to dodge giving advice.
I’m really hoping series 13 gets me to actually stick through to a finale next year, and I really hope the writers just let Jodie just play the role and show us the character of her doctor without expository dialogue, just give her lines and an interesting plot for her doctor to interact in and we might be onto something. Because I’m all for a more alien doctor who is very distant, just let the actor show it instead of telling us, I don’t mind lines from characters talking about the doctor or how the doctor feels, it can lead to some great scenes, but only when it gives the actors something to work with. 10’s outburst is a great example of what I mean, there is exposition, but what the scene hinges on is 10’s emotional outburst and convincing you he’s scared and angry, all while showing that despite that he’ll sacrifice himself.
But Jodie just gets exposition to spout, and there’s only so many different ways you can emote “hmm, I think this technical babble, will be the solution to our gaping plot hole and we can all go back to ignoring Graham’s cancer scare.”
If I can honestly point to one reason why I genuinely dislike this era of the show is the exposition. Like I know it’s not just a thing that has happened in 13’s era, but holy shit did they just kick it up to 11 or what. Exposition was usually tossed in for quick resolutions in previous eras, or sprinkled around to explain certain parts of the episode. But from the 10 episodes of 13 I’ve seen, I honestly had to count how many lines of dialogue weren’t exposition, because it was less than the lines that were for some episodes. I don’t know, it just isn’t entertaining to me to just listen to characters explain everything happening like 24/7, no one talks like this.
Too bad Jodie's doctor is ruined by awful show runners and writers, her stories are just pish. Or does anyone actually think Doctor not actually being a time lord is good writing?
Patrick Troughton is very quickly becoming my favourite doctor of all of them. I’ve always been luke warm on most of them and never had a specific favourite, but with every story I watch he grows on me very quickly. The Mind Robbers is some of the best TV I have ever watched, I can say Hand on heart. A 60s story that’s concept is timeless
I actually felt like Shada could work as a Second Doctor story, especially the part where the Doctor pretends to be stupid so the orb doesn’t kill him. “Ohhh dear, I’m so sorry. I’m very stupid you know.”
Oh wow. That would have been terrific!
shame that was unfinished as well. this is why unions are bad people, you get unwarranted strikes.
Frank Spencer I just watched a documentary on the region two Blu-ray of Shada about strikes on the BBC and one of the producers or actors said that fidgeting with the set or costume could warrant a strike cause the actor would be “stealing” a crew member’s job. I’m sure at one point unions where necessary, but Unions in these days is just tedious and sometimes bad for everyone. Remember Holster? They closed down due to a union’s actions and nobody had a job now.
@@androzani Unions are essential. In a long and varied working life I've seen employers who have behaved disgracefully to employees, but I remember the idiotic union disputes of the 1970s.
Its all about balance and working together. In the pottery industry the owners and unions worked closely together, brought in standardised pay and conditions and never had a strike.
Zac Mumblethunder I guess it depends on the union then. I know there is one at my mother’s post office, that acts about the same as what you described. It might really just depend on what the union’s view is. Yours seems like a nice one.
"I see you've redecorated, hm I don't like it"
I have a Doctor who trivia book. And 6 of the actors who have played the Doctor. Say the 2nd Doctor is their favorite.
That says it all! He’s the best!
I have an unhealthy amount of affection for the dominators. I always enjoy the goofy and over the top nature of it. Definitely not a masterpieces but fun nonetheless
"Victoria WAKEfield"
"Evil episode THREE"
*screams in Troughton*
oh my giddy uncle
@@SamyulDavis A Good Editor Would Tell You A Story Like The War Games Needs More Than 4 Parts Of 25 Minutes Each Episode,is Way Too Short For The War Games!
6 Parts is All This Story Really Needed,Then There's Being 4 Parts Too Long! The War Games Doesn't Work As a 4 Part'er, What You Have Described is Very Rushed And NOT a GOOD Story! What You Have Described is a Terribly Rushed Story Perfectly Proves WHY Your a Terrible Editor!
You could have said this opinion without being an insulting ass. Your comment had a lot of words and yet still added nothing.
@@SamyulDavisI Didn't Mean To Be Insulting I Am Trying To Help You Become a Better Editor,Because You Aren't A Good Editor Fact!
The War Games Doesn't Work As a 4 Part'er, What You Have Described is Very Rushed And NOT a GOOD Story! What You Have Described is a Terribly Rushed Story Perfectly Proves WHY You Are Not a Good Editor Yet, I Want To Help You Become a Better Editor!
I Want To Help People, Got A Problem With That!
DAVIS SAID "Your comment had a lot of words and yet still added nothing" WRONG I Explained That What You Have Described is Very Rushed And NOT a GOOD Story,a Good Story Needs To Not Be Rushed or Being Too Long!
@@generalnapoleonbonaparte3186 bro did you have to capitalise every letter in that paragraph? I had a stroke trying to read it it
I've not seen that much of Troughten (thanks BBC). I used to be lukewarm on him because I thought while he was influential and vital to the character a lot of what he brings to the table has been done by other Doctors. He's really grown on me recently. Best episodes:
. Web of Fear
. Power of the Daleks
. Fury from the Deep
. The Invasion
. Mind Robber
. War Games
. Tomb of the Cybermen
My favourite moment is the ending of Web of Fear. He looses for the first time, berates his friends for trying to help him and reveals he was decieving all of them. Then you realise that he was going to absorb the Great Intelligence maybe not just to stop him but to get his knowledge. It's a really subtle way of hinting at the greed and ambition of this seemingly amicable take on the character.
You should watch the Enemy of the world serial. The final episode is simply sublime.
I liked Enemy of the World but not quite as much as most people. I'm not sure why, it might just not be my thing, it's still good though
Fury from the Deep is an underrated gem not many people talk about.
And that would tie into Pertwee's Doctor's confession of being greedy for knowledge.
The Mind Robber is my favorite Troughton story, hands down. It's the one I'll always reach for.
Thank the Time Lords we can see all the episodes as they were meant to be seen
Before I watch: This is correct. The 2nd Doctor is the best! Jamie and Zoe are the best companion duo.. in Doctor who history!!!
Personally, The Macra Terror is one of my favourites - the presence of the macra is ominous and looms over the story so effectively, and the animated reconstruction is really nicely done I feel.
The animated reconstruction is the first second doctor story I’ve seen. It was a great introduction to the character.
The Second Doctor has the best “Ohhh Nooooo” in history
The greatest complement that I can give Trouton is that he pulled it off successfully. Every regeneration starts out with the new Doctor fumbling to find himself, but end the Episode confident and familiar. That's all Patrick Troughton.
I absolutely love War Games. Yes, it was too long. Even Terrance Dicks admits that. Of course, he also explains that basically he had to stretch his story over that many episodes because they needed more episodes. That was very common in early Who days. The entire first episode of The Mind Robbers was created to fill space that suddenly needed to be filled with essentially zero budget, although to be fair it probably makes much better use of that stretched space. Terrance Dicks is the trouble shooting writer of Doctor Who, and of course War Games is one of his early attempts. He was the one who would be called on to suddenly fill unexpected space or create a script that was budget friendly or write an episode before the cast is finalized or finish a script when the original writer couldn't get a workable script done, and he was really, really good at it. A good writer can write an epic script with a solid budget and solid cast. A truly amazing writer can write a passable script with almost no budget and regular production problems. Yes, I do believe War Games would be better if it were closer to 6 episodes, and it did get a bit repetitive, and yet I can and have watched all 10 episodes multiple times and still manage to be engaged through all 10 episodes in spite of everything.
You're voice is soo...idk how to describe it. I could listen to you talk to doctor who all day 😂
That's the loveliest comment you could write.
@@SamyulDavis i look forward to more content! Haha
Trouhgton is definitely my favorite doctor. He not only was a great actor, but he had great companions, and my favorite era of the show. Enemy of the World, Web of Fear, Power of the Daleks are some of my favorite stories in the show's history.Evil of the Daleks is my favorite Dalek story ever, and the War Games is my favorite story of all time. The Dominators and the Space Pirates are definitely the weakest of his era, but what's around it make up for them. What an absolutely perfect doctor, there is really nothing bad to say about Troughton at all.
When you think about it, William Hartnell's performance is "easier" to be imitated/impersonate than Patrick Troughton's Doctor. When 2 talks or walks/run or makes a face, that's a very specific performance. Honestly the first three or four Doctors define what every Doctor has/is/will play, especially Troughton.
The Mind Robber was the first Doctor Who I ever saw and it scared the life out of me! I still love it and enjoyed watching it again on DVD. I had completely for gotten the "replacement of Jamie though I did remember the Doctor picing together the picture to get Jamie.
My first Doctor! The first episode I ever watched of Doctor Who was The Web of Fear, plus he is The Doctor that I have the most DVDs of in my small DVD collection
The Second Doctor was before my time, so for many years I only really knew the Troughton era from novelisations that I had as a kid - many of which seemed quite scary to me. When I finally saw (or heard) the Troughton stories for real, I was surprised by how funny he could be. Having now seen (or heard!) all the classic Who available, I rate him my favourite Doctor.
The chemistry between him and Jamie is hugely enjoyable, and Troughton is a genuinely good actor who manages to hit a near-perfect tonal balance between being serious and flippant - something the show has rarely got right, but he nails it throughout his tenure.
Many of the Troughton stories are also really interesting: there's a real sense that the show was in that perfect place where it had hit its stride and worked out its identity, but it hadn't yet played all its cards. The writers seemed keen to explore fresh angles on returning enemies (e.g. the Daleks and Cybermen) and expand on concepts (e.g. the Time Lords, the Doctor's origin, etc.) that only been hinted at before.
It's a massively important era for the show during which it defined itself for the future, the performances are hugely enjoyable, and - bar the odd clunker - the stories are a real pleasure to revisit again and again. It's a benchmark era for this long-running series, IMHO, and it's the place the show's current producers need to look to if they're going to get it back on course.
The main thing wrong with the Dominators is that it survived intact while Power of the Daleks didn't survive at all..
The Krotons survived in full when The Abominable Snowmen is almost entirely lost.
Nice juxtaposition of Gell-guards and Quarks given who developed the "quark model" of subatomic physics (Murray Gell-Mann)...
Patrick Troughton was before my time but his character and delivery is everything Who was and is and would be ever since. The definitive Doctor.
Troughton as the Doctor: Yes, he was a big one, wasn’t he?
The 2nd Doctor was when the show hit its true stride. Hartnell did his best but putting the humor out front made the show something that could span decades with its appeal. Plus proving the character could be done by different actors over its long run and help to keep it fresh.
I remember the most gripping cliff hanger for me was the Invasion, in the end of episode 5 I think, where the invasion starts, and suddenly the Doctor puts his hand on the back of his neck, and panickingly says "My depolerizer must have fallen off!" And then proceeds to fall unconscious. It was unexpected and surprised me a lot. I was genuinely worried for a few minutes until I started the next episode.
I love the Underwater Menace too. I particularly love the fact that they start to leave Zaroff, and then the Doctor is like, "Wait, we can't leave him," and tries to go back to save him, but it's too late. I like that bit of character that we get to see. I do agree that it's totally sixties, but I love sixties TV.
I am too young to have seen Patrick Troughton's episode, I got into his stories through the novelisations before they started releasing the videos. He is also my favourite.
I grew up with Tom Baker and Peter Davison, but I've really come to appreciate the earlier Doctors, especially Troughton. It's a shame so much of the Troughton era is missing.
My favourite classic doctor, Eccleston is my favourite modern doctor and honestly I'd love a story with two of them just because the are both so different from one another
I’m not going to say “first” because I’m proper like that
I haven't seen all of Troughton yet, but he's certainly my favourite of them all
Worst: The Space Pirates, The Krotons, The Dominators, The Ice Warriors, The Macra Terror (Dishonourable mention: Fury from the Deep)
Best: The War Games, The Invasion, The Enemy of the World, The Underwater Menace, The Web of Fear (Honourable mention: The Highlanders)
Have a like simply for recognising the brilliance of The Enemy of the World.
@@JRCSalter I thought it was widely appreciated. I was shocked that it wasn't in this video. I wonder how many people will get triggered at me for considering Fury from the Deep as one of the worst.
@@LaytonMathieson It may be appreciated, but it doesn't get talked about as much as many of the others. Especially as it is the only serial in that season that isn't a base-under-siege story.
When the episodes were found, it felt overshadowed by The Web of Fear, but it was the Troughton story I most wanted returned to the archives. (A spot now held by Evil of the Daleks)
I think Fury from the Deep has some appreciation due to the fact that one of the few surviving clips is also the creepiest Doctor Who has EVER been. But yeah, it's not the best story.
@@JRCSalter I like The Enemy of the World because the scale of it feels really big, with several locations and sets. Jamie and Victoria have a lot to do, and while Troughton is essentially playing 4 roles (the Doctor, Salamander, and both impersonating each other), he doesn't have much to do as the Doctor, but he's still fantastic as he always is. I think Troughton is the most consistent Doctor of all. No matter what the episode is, he always shines in it.
Woah, The Macra Terror is one of my favourites
thanks for this man really gives me an idea of how to like each doctor without needing to go through every single episode on Brit Box
Just listened to Daughter of the Gods.
Big Finish continue to surprise me;
I never thought I'd care this much about Katarina... Of-course I'll remember you.
Troughton is really one I've always struggled to get into and funnily enough it's not a 60s related thing because I LOVE the Hartnel stories. I want to try to get morr into Troughton though, so I'm happy to have your recommendations.
Two was the Doctor I grew up with. I find Troughton to be the one I think of when I think of the Doctor, and I'm a huge fan of Ten and Twelve.
Those are my 3 too!
Why does everyone think The Time Monster is crap? I just reviewed it recently, and I didn't think it was that bad!
It's very silly ambitious and impressive fun. I love both.
I agree. I enjoyed it a lot. And Roger Delgado's master was amazing in that story too.
@@diamondaxe4133 it's a story that seems to get a tiny bit better each time you watch it. It's worth watching just to see Delgado play a romantic lead for once!
I love it. It doesn't make much sense but it's great fun and ten times more entertaining than most of the 80s stories.
The Time Monster is far better than Dragonfire or Time Flight from the classic era.
The thing about the War Games is that it was originally two stories that fell thorough at the last minute so they had to write a ten episode story and they had no other option.
Definitley an underrated Doctor that is low in polls due to people always putting New Who Doctors in the top 5 because the effects are 'soooo much better.'
Patrick Troughton is the best ever Doctor and yet most of his best don't even exist. So sad. Evil of the Daleks, Power of the Daleks, Web of Fear, Tomb of the Cybermen, The Ice Warriors, Fury from the Deep, The Invasion, The Faceless Ones, The Moonbase, The Mind Robber and The Abominable Snowmen are classics, had his whole era survived, it would be he and not Tom Baker or David Tennant that is the most popular. Evil of the Daleks is my all-time favourite story.
"The sixties are like that."
Yup.
The 1st Doctor had a trick too. In 1st story he is talked to as an old fool by both the teachers who expect a man of his age to be a bit mad & underestimating him. It is just as much a disguise as the comic look for the 2nd. Tomb of the Cybermen is my favourite of his. Because of all the later Cybermen episodes I'd seen 1st this could have been boring but it wasn't, from the face by the door to the mice like Cybermats. Then them de-frosting! Just all worked so well.
@13:27 Funny, The Krotons was my first Doctor Who I sat and watched and, it’s one of my all time favorite episodes
“Whitaker’s stories do the most [with them]”
That’s probably a statement you won’t say for Modern Who unfortunately :/
Granted Whittaker's first Dalek story was the first to do something new with them in years.
@@Ben-vf5gk You could write Dalek episodes in this era by replacing the blank in The _______ of the Daleks.
Frankie Zen “The Enema of the Daleks”
Sorry, *Enemy
@@Comakino - The Power of the Daleks
- The Evil of the Daleks
- Day of the Daleks
- Planet of the Daleks
- Genesis of the Daleks
- Destiny of the Daleks
- Resurrection of the Daleks
- Revelation of the Daleks
- Remembrance of the Daleks
- Victory of the Daleks
- Asylum of the Daleks
Such imagination.
@@Comakino The Abortion Rights of the Daleks
The Rave of the Daleks
The Dalek of the Daleks
There is a very good reason why actors play more than one character in an audio drama and that is budget.
Actors are mostly paid for audio dramas based on how many days they work (or half days in some circumstances) . So using an actor already scheduled to be in that day to record another small bit part on top of their main can save a lot of money as they don’t have to buy pay another actor to come in and do it.
Yes, but BF are usually the ones to turn creative constraints into strengths rather than turn to cliche.
It's also fair to add that...Big Finish products are notably expensive.
Very nicely done, dude. Thanks for sharing this with us fellow nerds.
Not only is the 2nd doctor my favourite the mind robber and the tomb of the cyberman is my favourite doctor who serial ever.
I think that the reason why this doctor is so weird and goofy is because the doctor had his first regeneration and as we know the doctor is goofy after the regeneration. Since it was his first it changed him and he never really settled down after his first
Nah, Hartnell’s Doctor was already becoming more giddy and goofy by season 2, it was just a natural progression.
tomb of the cybermen is my favorite classic who story that i have seen tied with brain of morbius
TV Tropes gave me the impression that most people hate "The Dominators".
Nitro Indigo from what I have seen online. People do hate “The Dominators”
But personally I really like that one. But in my opinion I love every 2nd Doctor story. Own them all on dvd.
@@SirMeowsAlot89 It's a fun story. A bunch of useless aliens threatened by a pair of bickering grouches who are assisted by robots that look like they came out of a Christmas stocking. Yet because the Dr and his pals care so much, we care as well.
These essays are fantastic. Thanks you sir!
i agree that the dominators isnt very good... but i still unironically love it to be honest. like i would never seriously argue that its good, but i think its super fun.
The Mind Robber is probably my favourite Classic Who story together with Robots of Death.
hehe, Fraser Hines ACTUALLY had Chickenpox during the Mind Robber, hence the replacement.
The Invasion is my all time favourite classic Dr.Who episode and struggle to see what people dislike about it.
I've been waiting for this video :) really enjoyed it, worth the wait
Thank you for calling me timeless :)
I love the second doctor's era but The Mind Robber is one of my least favorite stories. It's interesting to hear how different fans have varied tastes. To each his own.
2, 5, 9, 10, 12 are my favourites. Depending on the episode, each one is can place anywhere in the top 5.. (8 is honourable mention since he was my first).
My doctor. Though I was about in Hartnell. It's Troughton that I channel when facing problems with life
The ice warriors was the third 2nd doctor story I saw and I quite like it. It didn’t feel as slow as later 6 parters to me for some reason
The most maligned Doctor for many years due to the non-availability of episodes and the ones that were screened, like Krotons and Dominators, were certainly not among the best. He was often voted least favourite Doctor in Dr Who magazine but I always felt this unfair due to the lack of availability - the bulk of Who fans came from the Pertwee/Baker era and they'd never laid eyes on Troughton except in the Three Doctors and the odd showing of excerpts at conventions. I was extremely thankful for the Target series of books in the late 70s that allowed us access to many of the Second Doctor's stories. Tomb and War Games were my first introduction to him on VHS and you could immediately tell the chemistry between Troughton and Frazer Hines was huge. It's disappointing to hear Wheel in Space is disappointing as I love Zoe and looked forward to seeing her debut (still no sign of Jamie's debut in the Highlanders either). We've been robbed of Lethbridge-Stewart's debut and the photos in Web of Fear just didn't cut it. I await with anticipation for Abominable Snowman (surely it should have been chosen before Macra Terror or Underwater Menace!!!!). Thanks for the above review. I thought you were spot on with your objective synopsis of Patrick being the best!
I've just seen the Dominators and it's my favorite serial of the Second Doctor. No drag, no dead weight, it had five episodes and it does the story justice in those 5 episodes. Pacifism can only exist in a vacuum and up to that point, the planet was in a vacuum. I personally view the serial more as being anti-Imperialism than anti-peace- two guys with robotic slaves... it's an oxymoron, roll with it... come in and take over a less advanced civilization because they could. Bullies? YES... you are bullies. We are bullies, it's a western civilization thing to be bullies. Mostly it's just Britain though, the UNITED KINGDOM... it makes me wonder if they were too close to the subject to see it. "Might makes right, it's a jolly good time for us, pity about those guys though." In the end, the British... I mean the DOMINATORS were hoisted by their own petard... literally, love it... by leaning too much into their own hype.
Completely not what historically happened though I'm not sure what happened exactly. The Empire crumbled under its own weight of being an Empire.
As great as the original thumbnail was... it didn’t fit this video. This series feels so tightly knit together, that it really is a passion project. If there was ever a man who truly loved Doctor Who, Davis would certainly be one of them.
Tomb of the cybermen surely has to be in the top 5!
There is another sequel, Virgin Book, and its great, or I though was when I read it as a teen back in the 90s.
Pacifist society in Dominators exists because the script is basically worse version of Daleks.
Two, Four and Eleven are MY Doctors, adore them with all my hearts.
"As a dom myself."
_hold on a minute.._
What happened was that the two final stories of season 6 fell through at the last minute, leaving a ten episode gap to be filled.
I feel like most of the Doctors were primarily based on Two. The most obvious ones are 7 and 11 but you can see shades of him in 3, 4, 5, 8, 10 and 13.
Enemy of the World. Love the dual role for Troughton. The Timelords murdered the 2nd Doctor. Won't be moved on this.
Time Lords weren’t having it with him delaying his regeneration and not choosing the forms they selected for him.
@@crimsondynamo615 That's like if Satan pushed you into hell because you were too picky over the kind of soup they'd boil you in in Hell.
@Kaagh178 So the Doctor deserved death? Or at least, capital punishment and transportation to a less protected, more vulnerable world? You say that the End of Time destroyed the Timelords' reputation, but that was only the majority decision of a small council of those in power. The doctor's execution indicates a systematic approach to punishment where centuries, possibly millennia can be taken away by stealing a broken machine, wounded tech, in search of knowledge, truth, and eventually justice to the universe. And also, they changed. They got better because of the Doctor's search for truth. I simply believe that they're a better people than they once were. Basically good now, but not for all time.
This is a riiiiidiculous take that is opposed to the entire spirit of the show. How do you manage to constantly spout the most off-kilter shit so angrily?
Had the Evil of the Darleks on audio, it was just mint.
Easily the best doctor who UA-camr
The War Games was originally going to be 6 parts, but they had to add 4 episodes because another 4-parter fell through.
What's odd about the Invasion is that it feels like two different four parters. Like, the Cybermen don't even show up until the cliffhanger to Part Four. Just a thought.
I actually unironically love the Dominators
The Mind Robber was the first Dr Who story I ever saw, back in the mid-1980's. Still gives me the chills
11:47 The ice warriors may not be great but it did have Peter Sallis in it, which surprised me on a second viewing
Patrick is responsible for making Doctor Who immortal, and infusing activity (especially running and jelly babies) into the character.
I personally love the audios and novels I've seen so far tbh
Multiple videos in one month, Sam you’ve out done yourself
I had watched a few Classic Who stories back when I wanted to get into it (An Unearthly Child, The Daleks, I think The Five Doctors as well) but I didn't get hooked until I watched my first Patrick Troughton story, which was The Mind Robber. The Doctor, the companions, the dynamics, the setting, the story.. everything just works perfectly. I have seen all of the second Doctor, there is to watch, tho I have not gotten into the missing ones that aren't animated. I can't wait to get The Faceless Ones and Fury from the Deep this year!
Also: maybe I missed something but did you just put The War Games at the end of your top five worst without even explaining if that's supposed to be an in between spot or whatever?
Sometimes I put in a middle ground pick if it's particularly era-defining but I don't love or hate it. Mind Robber is almost certainly the classic episode i'd show first to a new fan.
Very nicely done, thank you!
Frazer Hines was not on holiday during filming for The Mind Robber. He came down with chickenpox and had to be temporarily replaced, and quickly.
You're correct! Trivia!
Best 2nd doctor stories
5. Moon base
4. Power of the daleks
3. Tomb of the cybermen
2. Invasion
1. War games
I'm sorry, I fucking love The Space Pirates. Especially that Hillbilly guy.
My favourite Doctor easily. His era was imperfect and flawed story wise, but Patrick Troughton was outstanding throughout. Tom Baker, Jon Pertwee and I'm in the minority with Peter Capaldi and Peter Davison were quite great, but Patrick Troughton is my Doctor.
Now I really want to read the Dominators to hear those egg puns
There's really a point in this video that felt like wait we're still on worst? I feel like we've done 7 already.
Haha true, ice warriors and wheel in space share a spot as I have the same issues with both.