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One would have to be careful with such a mission statement though. This sort of thing can very quickly turn into a toxic relationship. Speaking from experience there.
It's not just their friends, it's EVERYONE. 12's unconditional love led him to sacrifice himself for a bunch of people he'd never met, just to buy them a little more time to live. This moment is everything the Doctor is, and I never realized it until I watched this video, so thank you!!
You have a way of taking the writer's words, the actor's actions and presenting them in a way that strips away everything but THE most essential human truth. Well done.
"Do you think I care for you so little that betraying me would make a difference?" perfectly encapsulates his character. When he was told River never really loved him, he kept protecting her and showed he was still willing to love her and be there for her no matter what. He cared for Missy and kept believing she could be good after everything she did to him and his friends. He even comforted and showed mercy to a dying Davros. Despite his rough demeanor and all his talk about not caring, Twelve proved himself to be the most compassionate and forgiving Doctor.
"He saved us, not because of the righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He washed away our sins, giving us a new birth and new life through the Holy Spirit."
Imagine turning a quote for clara about river lmao. River and the doctor always had a narrative type bond, and even that was river cucking tf out of the doctor lmao. Clara and the doctor had mutual love and respect, and it wasnt just said but also shown. When he was older they had to change the dynamic to not make things wierd but they still cared for each other.
Unconditional love is the most poignant and meaningful of all forms of love and is very rare. Sadly, it is sometimes completely misunderstood. This era of DW with Capaldi and Coleman who together were just an amazing and Moffat wrote scripts that beautifully showed what unconditional love is. That is why Capaldi's run will always be the most touching and powerful.
I have to admit that I tried watching Capaldi when he first became the Doctor. I watched a couple of episodes only and really couldn’t get into his Doctor. I recently tried again and am so glad I did. I love Capaldi as the Doctor. I love his and Clara’s relationship. Their ups and downs. After 10 and Donna they have become my second favorite Doctor and Companion. Great video. (Heads off to watch the speech from The Zygon Inversion for the millionth time)
YESYESYES! This is THE definitive 12th Doctor moment for me - the first moment you truly see who he is. Love him and Clara together, they're my favourite TARDIS team and Capaldi and Coleman absolutely SHINE in these roles! Always enjoy your videos, SUPER happy to see one on them and this moment in particular - hope there's more to come at some point 😊❤
I could not possibly agree more. I share your love for this duo. A shame others could not see what is obvious to us. I did not though ever like Madam Vastra. I felt Vastra was so condescending and self-righteous. Cheers.
I wish he had season 10's hair in season 9. I understand why it was short in 8, cause that's what the roman dude looked like, but the s10 hair has him looking like THE Doctor. He captures Hartnell (curt demeanor), Troughton (shredding electric guitar), and Pertwee (the dress/hair) at once regularly at that point. And starting s10 with him as a professor was perfect. I wish we got just one more season with him.....at least.😭 While his run was going I was desperately hoping he'd give Tom Baker a run for his money on the "longest running doctor" record.
Think of his short hair growing longer overtime as his character development, From series 8 his hair is short and he isn't really empathetic, But as time goes on his hair and his empathy grow and by the end of his era, his empathy is much bigger than the beginning of his era and his hair is much more longer than before
I would’ve killed for a fourth season with Capaldi! They should have just split Series 10 into two so we could have more time with the university setting and the Bill/Nardole/Missy team
Your commentary videos are simply brilliant in their articulation and poignancy. You seem to almost be able to verbalize the most important reasons for our being and doing so with our favorite tv show. So sad the decline that came after Capaldi and Moffat's era. The beauty in this era and all its emotional moments I doubt will ever be captured again.
Thank you for so beautifully articulating my thoughts on this scene! When I first watched it I too was swept away the moment he said the line “do you think I care for you so little” but I was also confused because I was so mad at Clara. It took some time for me to fully wrap my head around the episode and what it did to my heart. I think coming from a background where mistakes were so heavily shamed and not followed up with “but we still love you” has gotten me to a point of thinking that if I make any mistake - no matter how small, people have a right to fully give up on me. So to see this version of the doctor who is so black and white and note overly emotional be quick to explain to Clara that “obviously” he still cares for her absolutely broke me. Yes he was angry. As is his right. But he didn’t hold his own emotions over Clara. He can also recognize that she is human and in pain. I hope to behave like this for my friends and loved ones in my life (but maybe to a slightly less extreme since I’m not a time lord and as cunning as the doctor who was indeed in control the whole time!)
This was also a landmark moment for me with 12. One of many moments during his era that makes this incarnation more unique compared to the rest. I will always love the show but this era is my favourite. Peter Capaldi perfectly depicts 12 and I do feel sad that we will never gain any more moments of him doing so.
Well said. I feel exactly the same. From the moment he was going to be The Doctor until present I always knew and know that he would be and is a fantastic rendition of the character. And this is one of many scenes where he proves it in. Absolutely sublime performance this and made him the best Doctor ever in my eyes.
The reason Capaldi's Doctor is the most selfless and unconditionally loving is shown through the way he isn't gushy and sentimental. He is beyond such surface signage. His character and soul run so incredibly deep that I believe many viewers did not have the insightfulness to even realize yet appreciate it. For those of us who did it was incredibly powerful, effecting and beautiful. This Doctor was the most selfless and giving than any other before and certainly since. A remarkable anti-hero whom for me is therefore the ultimate character to admire and adore. He was the antithesis of modern fake emotionalism that dictates so much of what is called entertainment these days. All these people with faux expressions creating drivel response videos. No depth just veneer is what we usually see in today's world. What a wonderful exception and rarity this video post is. As great as Doctor Twelve was. Depth and substance in a world so devoid of such qualities.
When I first what that episode, I didn't understand the Doctor. If you love someone, the betraying should be even more painful, right ? Then, years later, after meeting by best friend and strenghtening our bond over time, I rewatched the episode thinking about her. Now I know what the Doctor meant. Inconditional love, true inconditional love I mean, not the one you call inconditional because society told you so, is the one where no matter what, you'll never give up on the loved one. And the quote is mirrored by Hell Bent, when the Doctor risked time and space, paradoxes and hatred from the Timelords, becoming the legendary and fearful hybrid in the process... just because he misses her. FOUR AND A HALF BILLIONS YEARS waiting, trapped in the confession dial, remember? This is Timelord Victorious all over again, with a little twist.
I just realised that every single one of his finales is about saving someone with no hope, after they have been killed, which no other Doctor would do. It also makes so much sense that 12 is also the Doctor who gave River the screwdriver with the information to save her. I know people dislike Hell Bent, but 12 needs & loves his friends more than any other Doctor. He will not saunter off into a new adventure with a new person, because he's just not built to make friends like that. Knowing him as well as we do now, and considering the torture he was put through in Heaven Sent, any outcome other than Hell Bent doesn't make sense to me. And I love that this drive also ties back to the Fires of Pompeii.
I didn't really like the 12th Doctor at first. A part of that is because it always takes a while for me to warm up to the new Doctor after I've gotten used to the old one. It's not that I hated Capaldi, but I didn't like him as much as 10th or 11th (which introduced me to Doctor Who). This scene is what changed my mind. This interaction, this forgiveness, this love for a friend... THIS is what made me come around to Capaldi. And it eventually led to him being my second favorite Doctor.
I actually think the dynamic of 12 and Clara was helped because it came off the back of 11 and Clara. The difference and the change between the two was so stark and interesting, it made for some great character interactions!
Your video (very good!) summarises what brought me back round to Calpadi's era. I was heart broken when Smith left so I was coming into it arms crossed, feet firmly dug into the sand and mind closed. And this era didn't really convince me to do otherwise at first. I had built up an idea of what Doctor Who should be in my head and this wasn't it so it was bad. But looking back it now, with much more life and writing experience, I really enjoy it. Moffat was always willing to experiment with what Doctor Who could be and not settled with just what it was and it's what made season 5 and, in my opinion, series 6 so great. But when you're coming off a beloved version of a character and trying something new twice over (the new Doctor and the new style of the show), you're doubling your work load and the audience's ability to accept it strains. Not to say if people didn't like it they were wrong, just I think being able to experience all of Capaldi's run with expectations managed and all in one go as opposed to over several years with a week (and sometimes months) between episodes lets the themes it keeps coming back to feel more accessible and continous. And so, as my life continues, I imagine I'll only like it more and more as my tastes change and the era speaks to me and more as I experience more things.
Here's the thing with Clara having any sort of relationship with the Doctor and you saying it's wrong because she's also dating some guy... the Doctor's MARRIED. To River. And also, apparently, to some Queen. EDIT: Also... : "It's like he's dealing with a tantruming child." He is. Then again, I never liked Clara, but my only exposure to her was the special where The War Doctor is introduced. Seeing this here just makes me like her even less, which is impressive. Love the Doctor's acting, though.
Great video dude, great to see season 8 and my favourite ever Doctor/Companion paring getting some love. If you're open to suggestions, I'd love to see your take on Listen, imo chronically underrated and one of the best episodes in the show's history. Cheers!
i think that the destruction of the keys scene tells us why the doctor and clara should not be together... they would wreck reality. The master is right about putting them together to get what they want.
I wish someone would use this ship as an example of what romance is like - period. Not transcending romance, or above/beyond romance, or any of that nonsense. Those comments assume/reak of a false belief that only sexuals can be romantic and that all asexuals are aromantic. They never see the ace-rom possibility because of the limit they place on the term romance.
And she never apologizes. She hurt him so much, and he shows her so much forgiveness and compassion, that she just moves on and never makes it right. I have people like that in my life. People who take advantage of forgiveness and love without trying to make it better because they already got what they wanted. It's toxic and frustrating to see it exemplified in a protagonist, especially since it's not ever brought to bear where she changes and improves.
It doesn't matter how long it takes, how many videos I watch, essays I read... I can't not hate Clara. I just feel like she has taken so much advantage of 12th, of this very unconditional love he felt, that they ended up building a very distorted codependency around each other disguised as true love. After that betrayal, and his helping her regardless, Clara was always so sure that the Doctor would go to the end of the universe and beyond (quite literally) for her, that she became an unsufferable, manipulative, petty brat. It breaks my heart so much, because it seems to me that all he ever wanted was for her to see him as she used to when he was 11th, and she just couldn't do that for him... EDIT: ok, I might have overreacted with my comment, but talking about 12th always makes me quite emotional, and who could blame me, am I right?
Never felt like Clara deserved him. Even Bill does more for him, she sacrifices the freedom of humanity to save his life at one point, trusting that he'd find a way to save them.
F*ck you Chibnall, Disney and, yes, RTD for taking this away from us ..... magnificent television of the HIGHEST order !!! Absolutely endearing and well analysed, you have really captured an amazing essence that this show managed to achieve - a rare, brilliantly portrayed story arch with an exceptional depth and emotion that other shows can never achieve; to know these people / characters as we did was a true blessing ..... and then - GONE - DESTROYED - purposefully and intentionally. Fuck those responsible
Chibnall, disney and rtd had nothing to do with 12th season, what do you mean "they took it from us" that's just wrong, i mean come on i love 12 but lets not act like the show has always been the same
The actress who played Clara was fantastic. Having 11 flirt with Clara bugged me though because he'd married River by then. Is it good messaging to children to show the hero get married and then have him flirt with his co-worker?
And? You have a limited monogamy mindset. The Doctor isn't human. The Doctor doesn't live a linear life. Why be so narrowminded? I think it is a good message to children that there is more than heterosexual monogamous relationships out there. I think it is wrong to make a child feel shame if they live in a two-mommy household, have step-parents, are cross-orientated, or in open relationships. I think it is a good thing to teach that romantic attraction isn't limited to Allosexuals. That aces can be in romantic relationships too.
I mean, Clara got butthurt because her eye candy changed his face, Perry got strangled by 6 just because right after he regenerated. But, yeah, Clara had it so much worse.
1:18 I haven't watched the full video yet, but I can already guess that part of the thesis will be at least partially undermined by Moffat's poor writing. Eleven didn't regenerate into a young body just for Clara. If anything, if you were to make that case, it would be for anyone he meets. It would have been different if Eleven had somehow been influenced into getting the face he did because he knew Clara, but he didn't. He hadn't even known Amy yet.
You are not wrong, but I don't think that takes anything away from his dynamic with Clara as a flirtatious one. After the clip I used, vastra does go on to clarify that his young appearance wasn't just for Clara, it was for everyone.
That's not what happens, at all. Vastra says he looked young, wore a young face to be accepted, and that it was not just for Clara but "for everyone", that includes the audience.
'Do you think I care so little that betraying me would make a difference?'
Twelve was the absolute GOAT 🙌
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One would have to be careful with such a mission statement though. This sort of thing can very quickly turn into a toxic relationship. Speaking from experience there.
He regenerated into a goat? Now that _would_ by different 🐐
the 12th doctor is the only doctor I felt like bawling for when he regenerated.
I'm so glad that Series 10 was top notch, meant he went out with a BANG
Dr who went down the toilet after Capaldi and Gatwa and RTD flushed the chain.
It's not just their friends, it's EVERYONE. 12's unconditional love led him to sacrifice himself for a bunch of people he'd never met, just to buy them a little more time to live. This moment is everything the Doctor is, and I never realized it until I watched this video, so thank you!!
You have a way of taking the writer's words, the actor's actions and presenting them in a way that strips away everything but THE most essential human truth. Well done.
Thank you so much 🙂
"Do you think I care for you so little that betraying me would make a difference?" perfectly encapsulates his character. When he was told River never really loved him, he kept protecting her and showed he was still willing to love her and be there for her no matter what. He cared for Missy and kept believing she could be good after everything she did to him and his friends. He even comforted and showed mercy to a dying Davros. Despite his rough demeanor and all his talk about not caring, Twelve proved himself to be the most compassionate and forgiving Doctor.
When did river say she never really loved him?
@@jamesslater9098 In The husbands of River Song, when he asks her if the Doctor is someone special to her, she lies and says she's only using him.
@@AWinterLullaby oh thank you :)
"He saved us, not because of the righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He washed away our sins, giving us a new birth and new life through the Holy Spirit."
Imagine turning a quote for clara about river lmao. River and the doctor always had a narrative type bond, and even that was river cucking tf out of the doctor lmao. Clara and the doctor had mutual love and respect, and it wasnt just said but also shown. When he was older they had to change the dynamic to not make things wierd but they still cared for each other.
Unconditional love is the most poignant and meaningful of all forms of love and is very rare. Sadly, it is sometimes completely misunderstood. This era of DW with Capaldi and Coleman who together were just an amazing and Moffat wrote scripts that beautifully showed what unconditional love is. That is why Capaldi's run will always be the most touching and powerful.
I have to admit that I tried watching Capaldi when he first became the Doctor. I watched a couple of episodes only and really couldn’t get into his Doctor.
I recently tried again and am so glad I did. I love Capaldi as the Doctor. I love his and Clara’s relationship. Their ups and downs.
After 10 and Donna they have become my second favorite Doctor and Companion.
Great video.
(Heads off to watch the speech from The Zygon Inversion for the millionth time)
YESYESYES! This is THE definitive 12th Doctor moment for me - the first moment you truly see who he is. Love him and Clara together, they're my favourite TARDIS team and Capaldi and Coleman absolutely SHINE in these roles! Always enjoy your videos, SUPER happy to see one on them and this moment in particular - hope there's more to come at some point 😊❤
I could not possibly agree more. I share your love for this duo. A shame others could not see what is obvious to us. I did not though ever like Madam Vastra. I felt Vastra was so condescending and self-righteous. Cheers.
No 12 had a heartbreaking story arc. He lost Clara Bill Potts ,Nardole, and only was with River Song for one episode. .
24 years is a hell of a long time though.
I wish he had season 10's hair in season 9. I understand why it was short in 8, cause that's what the roman dude looked like, but the s10 hair has him looking like THE Doctor. He captures Hartnell (curt demeanor), Troughton (shredding electric guitar), and Pertwee (the dress/hair) at once regularly at that point. And starting s10 with him as a professor was perfect. I wish we got just one more season with him.....at least.😭 While his run was going I was desperately hoping he'd give Tom Baker a run for his money on the "longest running doctor" record.
Season 10 is my fave for so many reasons, and his hair is definitely one of them haha!
there's so many rumours to his leaving, many people still believe he was forced out
Think of his short hair growing longer overtime as his character development,
From series 8 his hair is short and he isn't really empathetic,
But as time goes on his hair and his empathy grow and by the end of his era, his empathy is much bigger than the beginning of his era and his hair is much more longer than before
I would’ve killed for a fourth season with Capaldi! They should have just split Series 10 into two so we could have more time with the university setting and the Bill/Nardole/Missy team
Your commentary videos are simply brilliant in their articulation and poignancy. You seem to almost be able to verbalize the most important reasons for our being and doing so with our favorite tv show. So sad the decline that came after Capaldi and Moffat's era. The beauty in this era and all its emotional moments I doubt will ever be captured again.
Beautiful video. 12 has to be my favourite doctor by far and you've perfectly highlighted why.
Always love to see 12 appreciation.
Their eyes alone in this scene and others.
His face is set in stone, but his eyes are a whirlwind of love, fear, anger, decisions, calculations, hope.
Thank you for so beautifully articulating my thoughts on this scene! When I first watched it I too was swept away the moment he said the line “do you think I care for you so little” but I was also confused because I was so mad at Clara. It took some time for me to fully wrap my head around the episode and what it did to my heart. I think coming from a background where mistakes were so heavily shamed and not followed up with “but we still love you” has gotten me to a point of thinking that if I make any mistake - no matter how small, people have a right to fully give up on me. So to see this version of the doctor who is so black and white and note overly emotional be quick to explain to Clara that “obviously” he still cares for her absolutely broke me. Yes he was angry. As is his right. But he didn’t hold his own emotions over Clara. He can also recognize that she is human and in pain. I hope to behave like this for my friends and loved ones in my life (but maybe to a slightly less extreme since I’m not a time lord and as cunning as the doctor who was indeed in control the whole time!)
i swear i teared up when i first heard that line, it's just so... yeah, that's the Doc.
This was also a landmark moment for me with 12. One of many moments during his era that makes this incarnation more unique compared to the rest. I will always love the show but this era is my favourite. Peter Capaldi perfectly depicts 12 and I do feel sad that we will never gain any more moments of him doing so.
“Do you think I care about you so little that betraying me would make a difference?”
This line has genuinely played a part in shaping who I am today
Well said. I feel exactly the same. From the moment he was going to be The Doctor until present I always knew and know that he would be and is a fantastic rendition of the character. And this is one of many scenes where he proves it in. Absolutely sublime performance this and made him the best Doctor ever in my eyes.
This is an exceptional introspective video about his character. Very well made. I'll be watching the rest of your videos later.
Great video! Capaldi is my favorite Doctor and I love the keys scene.
Absolutely COSMIC video! Well done! I'm glad to see positive analyses of Capaldi's era. He was far better written than the fans give him credit.
Man I've related to the 12 doctor, being with someone you love absolutely without realising how toxic it is, why I resonated with his run so much
THIS IS THE MAN, THE ONLY DOCTOR WHO COULD SEE THE MASTER IN THE FACE AND THINK: I'LL GIVE YOU THE SECOND CHANCE YOU DESERVE.
The reason Capaldi's Doctor is the most selfless and unconditionally loving is shown through the way he isn't gushy and sentimental. He is beyond such surface signage. His character and soul run so incredibly deep that I believe many viewers did not have the insightfulness to even realize yet appreciate it. For those of us who did it was incredibly powerful, effecting and beautiful. This Doctor was the most selfless and giving than any other before and certainly since. A remarkable anti-hero whom for me is therefore the ultimate character to admire and adore. He was the antithesis of modern fake emotionalism that dictates so much of what is called entertainment these days. All these people with faux expressions creating drivel response videos. No depth just veneer is what we usually see in today's world. What a wonderful exception and rarity this video post is. As great as Doctor Twelve was. Depth and substance in a world so devoid of such qualities.
I’m on 13 now, I just rewatched Dark Water and Death in Heaven, and I was reminded how great his era was
I want more from twelve, he's the best for real
When he delivers that line I cry every time XD
I love 12 and Peter Capaldi. He is my doctor and always will be❤❤
you are right about this scene. I think that i'd love to see every doctor deliver that line...
When I first what that episode, I didn't understand the Doctor. If you love someone, the betraying should be even more painful, right ? Then, years later, after meeting by best friend and strenghtening our bond over time, I rewatched the episode thinking about her. Now I know what the Doctor meant. Inconditional love, true inconditional love I mean, not the one you call inconditional because society told you so, is the one where no matter what, you'll never give up on the loved one.
And the quote is mirrored by Hell Bent, when the Doctor risked time and space, paradoxes and hatred from the Timelords, becoming the legendary and fearful hybrid in the process... just because he misses her. FOUR AND A HALF BILLIONS YEARS waiting, trapped in the confession dial, remember? This is Timelord Victorious all over again, with a little twist.
12 will always be my favorite doctor
I just realised that every single one of his finales is about saving someone with no hope, after they have been killed, which no other Doctor would do. It also makes so much sense that 12 is also the Doctor who gave River the screwdriver with the information to save her. I know people dislike Hell Bent, but 12 needs & loves his friends more than any other Doctor. He will not saunter off into a new adventure with a new person, because he's just not built to make friends like that. Knowing him as well as we do now, and considering the torture he was put through in Heaven Sent, any outcome other than Hell Bent doesn't make sense to me. And I love that this drive also ties back to the Fires of Pompeii.
I didn't really like the 12th Doctor at first. A part of that is because it always takes a while for me to warm up to the new Doctor after I've gotten used to the old one. It's not that I hated Capaldi, but I didn't like him as much as 10th or 11th (which introduced me to Doctor Who).
This scene is what changed my mind. This interaction, this forgiveness, this love for a friend... THIS is what made me come around to Capaldi. And it eventually led to him being my second favorite Doctor.
Not my favourite stories but my favourite doctor+companion dynamic by far
I actually think the dynamic of 12 and Clara was helped because it came off the back of 11 and Clara. The difference and the change between the two was so stark and interesting, it made for some great character interactions!
It's an absolutely brilliant scene
I fell in love with the 12th Doctor the moment he said Shush lol
Perfectly said.
Your video (very good!) summarises what brought me back round to Calpadi's era. I was heart broken when Smith left so I was coming into it arms crossed, feet firmly dug into the sand and mind closed. And this era didn't really convince me to do otherwise at first. I had built up an idea of what Doctor Who should be in my head and this wasn't it so it was bad. But looking back it now, with much more life and writing experience, I really enjoy it. Moffat was always willing to experiment with what Doctor Who could be and not settled with just what it was and it's what made season 5 and, in my opinion, series 6 so great. But when you're coming off a beloved version of a character and trying something new twice over (the new Doctor and the new style of the show), you're doubling your work load and the audience's ability to accept it strains. Not to say if people didn't like it they were wrong, just I think being able to experience all of Capaldi's run with expectations managed and all in one go as opposed to over several years with a week (and sometimes months) between episodes lets the themes it keeps coming back to feel more accessible and continous. And so, as my life continues, I imagine I'll only like it more and more as my tastes change and the era speaks to me and more as I experience more things.
Here's the thing with Clara having any sort of relationship with the Doctor and you saying it's wrong because she's also dating some guy... the Doctor's MARRIED. To River. And also, apparently, to some Queen.
EDIT: Also... : "It's like he's dealing with a tantruming child."
He is.
Then again, I never liked Clara, but my only exposure to her was the special where The War Doctor is introduced. Seeing this here just makes me like her even less, which is impressive.
Love the Doctor's acting, though.
Amazing writing, amazing sentiment.
Underrated episode
Great video man!
Great video dude, great to see season 8 and my favourite ever Doctor/Companion paring getting some love. If you're open to suggestions, I'd love to see your take on Listen, imo chronically underrated and one of the best episodes in the show's history. Cheers!
Hoooo that's a wonderful analysis :-). Thank you for this :-)
Thank you for this.
I just had a dream about the Doctor. Someone told him his REAL age.
It was "billions of years"....
i think that the destruction of the keys scene tells us why the doctor and clara should not be together... they would wreck reality. The master is right about putting them together to get what they want.
I wish someone would use this ship as an example of what romance is like - period.
Not transcending romance, or above/beyond romance, or any of that nonsense. Those comments assume/reak of a false belief that only sexuals can be romantic and that all asexuals are aromantic.
They never see the ace-rom possibility because of the limit they place on the term romance.
And she never apologizes. She hurt him so much, and he shows her so much forgiveness and compassion, that she just moves on and never makes it right.
I have people like that in my life. People who take advantage of forgiveness and love without trying to make it better because they already got what they wanted. It's toxic and frustrating to see it exemplified in a protagonist, especially since it's not ever brought to bear where she changes and improves.
Thank you for pointing this out. So true
Absolutely Beautiful ✨💞🎶💎
It doesn't matter how long it takes, how many videos I watch, essays I read... I can't not hate Clara. I just feel like she has taken so much advantage of 12th, of this very unconditional love he felt, that they ended up building a very distorted codependency around each other disguised as true love.
After that betrayal, and his helping her regardless, Clara was always so sure that the Doctor would go to the end of the universe and beyond (quite literally) for her, that she became an unsufferable, manipulative, petty brat.
It breaks my heart so much, because it seems to me that all he ever wanted was for her to see him as she used to when he was 11th, and she just couldn't do that for him...
EDIT: ok, I might have overreacted with my comment, but talking about 12th always makes me quite emotional, and who could blame me, am I right?
Never felt like Clara deserved him. Even Bill does more for him, she sacrifices the freedom of humanity to save his life at one point, trusting that he'd find a way to save them.
F*ck you Chibnall, Disney and, yes, RTD for taking this away from us ..... magnificent television of the HIGHEST order !!! Absolutely endearing and well analysed, you have really captured an amazing essence that this show managed to achieve - a rare, brilliantly portrayed story arch with an exceptional depth and emotion that other shows can never achieve; to know these people / characters as we did was a true blessing ..... and then - GONE - DESTROYED - purposefully and intentionally. Fuck those responsible
What are you talking about? Nothing has been taken away or destroyed.
Chibnall, disney and rtd had nothing to do with 12th season, what do you mean "they took it from us" that's just wrong, i mean come on i love 12 but lets not act like the show has always been the same
The actress who played Clara was fantastic. Having 11 flirt with Clara bugged me though because he'd married River by then. Is it good messaging to children to show the hero get married and then have him flirt with his co-worker?
And?
You have a limited monogamy mindset.
The Doctor isn't human.
The Doctor doesn't live a linear life.
Why be so narrowminded?
I think it is a good message to children that there is more than heterosexual monogamous relationships out there.
I think it is wrong to make a child feel shame if they live in a two-mommy household, have step-parents, are cross-orientated, or in open relationships. I think it is a good thing to teach that romantic attraction isn't limited to Allosexuals. That aces can be in romantic relationships too.
I mean, Clara got butthurt because her eye candy changed his face, Perry got strangled by 6 just because right after he regenerated. But, yeah, Clara had it so much worse.
1:18 I haven't watched the full video yet, but I can already guess that part of the thesis will be at least partially undermined by Moffat's poor writing.
Eleven didn't regenerate into a young body just for Clara. If anything, if you were to make that case, it would be for anyone he meets. It would have been different if Eleven had somehow been influenced into getting the face he did because he knew Clara, but he didn't. He hadn't even known Amy yet.
You are not wrong, but I don't think that takes anything away from his dynamic with Clara as a flirtatious one. After the clip I used, vastra does go on to clarify that his young appearance wasn't just for Clara, it was for everyone.
"I wear a veil for the same reason he wears a face. To be accepted." @@RamblingManYT
That's not what happens, at all. Vastra says he looked young, wore a young face to be accepted, and that it was not just for Clara but "for everyone", that includes the audience.
And _now_ we have a guy who abandons his companions for the chance to hook up with strangers and stands and cries uselessly at the slightest obstacle.
"Promo SM" 💕