2:32, even that limited technology is inconsistent. Catwoman randomly pulls out an electric knuckle duster out of nowhere. And Harley had gas-vented cells with electrified, automatic sliding doors all controlled by console, while Batman's most technological advanced thing was a car phone.
@@ItsOver9000ProductionsShe didn’t. When Catwoman said “You have toys?!” In their first encounter that was intended to set up that she’d make her own toys to be ready for their next confrontations.
Aging Barbera up isn't that weird, because back in the 1960's comics she was introduced as an adult, it wasn't until other versions of the canon came along that she started off as a teenager
@@jackpot42Paul Dini is the writer of BTAS, it’s Caped Crusader’s writing that we’re all dogging on. This show is written like crap, hence why Dini is this missing piece.
@@phoster3322no he wasn’t, you’re confusing him for Bruce Timm who was the other half of the creative genius behind Batman the animated series and the executive producer of this show in particular- y’know the guy- the one with the weird Batbabs obsession. Paul wasn’t involved with this project at all. If he was involved, the show would’ve ended up in a better place because it was usually Paul Dini that often vetoed Bruce Timm’s weird ideas and made the original animated show the way it is today. Which is often revered, even today. It’s like Batman and The Joker, you can’t have something heavy hitting without the other half. Edit: ALSO if you do a quick google search of who the writer is, it isn’t Paul Dini but instead Ed Brubaker
@@Limitedprodigy002 Ah, i didn’t write my comment properly, I meant Paul Dini is the _writer,_ as in, the reason BTAS was so good. The writing in THIS show, is what we were dogging on
Personally I dunno how I feel about killing Two-Face off the way they did. It sometimes feels as if the only aspect people care about is his origin. He dies at the end of Dark Knight, dies at the end of this, Beware The Batman was cancelled before we got to see him unmasked, we see his origin in Long Halloween (But hey, that is an adaptation of a story about his origin so it makes sense). It just feels like we don't get a lot of Two-Face as a recurring villain anymore in media. Two-Face was once Batman's number 2 villain, appearing almost as often as Joker in the comics, but he doesn't often get the same treatment in the tv shows
Don’t forget Batman: Forever and Batman: The Telltale Series. 🤦♀ Me personally, I’m tired of seeing writers kill off Harvey in order to boost(?) Bruce Wayne’s character, when Dent has a lot of (emotional) potential himself. Especially when paired with his wife Gilda, who’s almost nonexistent, or replaced with an original (Rachel Dawes) or an already existing female character (Catwoman).
I 100% agree, although I haven't been a fan of batman until very recently, I thought that two face would be a more important villain tbh. How relationship to Bruce Wayne as a friend for the sake of publicity while leading a double life for the sake of justice was like perfect. I thought they'd give him more screen time :(
Penguin was a very unique take while still feeling same criminal boss. But people will hate it. It is Elseworld story! Clayface is based on his original serial killer version. Firefly and Firebug are actually entirely different characters, but people often confuse two. Harley's this portrayal is actually Bruce Tim's first idea for Harley, but DC thought it was too dark. In the '90s, Bruce Timm and Paul Dini wanted to use Nocturna, and had plans to make her an actual vampire. But Fox Kids Network censors would not allow an actual vampire on children's programming.
I don’t know. Penguin feels like a weak take at subversion. Playing on what people expected to see from the character when they first teased Penguin in the episode. But switching to a different direction that just doesn’t fit or work.
Penguin is not the same wtf. A cheerful socialite who flirts with everyone and has children... I swear man, everyone who doesn't have an issue with how they treated the characters never really knew these characters in the first place
I thought it was good. I believe the reason it's so average is because it's doing something new to not replicate a series that was way too good to be like in the 90s, and people are not used to it.
And I feel like that's the thing here. Much like MAWS, sometimes it tries a bit too hard to be different from the other takes and it's not always a hit. And even when they have an idea with potential, they don't really spend much time on it. Like their new take and flip on Two Face was interesting, but he's prematurely taken out of the show without his potential realised.
That isn’t the problem, the problem is that these ‘’new’’ ideas and concepts are being executed in a very mediocre way. Some things have potential, but they are not expanded upon. It isn’t even outgoing. You might just be trying to find anything to defend it since many folk right now do that, they don’t believe in criticism anymore.
My only complaint is this part 1:50 the timeline and the year it’s not realistic to the 1940s. But beside that the show is pretty good and a fresh new take on Batman.
"The show doesn't really utilize the fact that it's set during a totally different era other than a surface level aesthetic change from other Batman adaptations. Would have been interesting to see how Batman reacts to different stuff that affected Gotham's citizen during and post WW2 with him trying to make Gotham a better place. There's nothing particularly unique about the takes and changes in this show that couldn't have been done in others."
Because Batman comics existed at the time. That's the point of the setting. It's not so much a period piece as it is a return to the Golden Age from a modern perspective but with the aesthetic and technology used in that era. If it was set earlier and actually tried to be a period piece then sure, but I don't think the setting is really that big of an issue
@@crunks2955 The main criticism for the film comes from the first half which strays from the source material and feels disjointed from the second half, this is of course thanks to Timm adding unnecessary - and questionable - “additions” to the story. “Instead of humanizing her, [the prologue] turns Barbara/Batgirl into a comic book cliché: the female character that feigns complexity, but, when given an expanded role, is only viewed through a sexual lens." - Ben Travers, IndieWire For me personally, I also found the animation to be lacklustre. 🤷♀
Ngl, I was skeptical of a female penguin, but the reason this version ended up working for me is actually the fact that she’s a mother; a mother is known for being a loving/caring figure who is always there for you, but this version of Penguin is so ruthless that she will kill her own son
@@jhngrg8132 you’ve just completely missed the point I made; she can still have those motives but the symbolism of a mother being loving and kind being used in a negative way here to portray just how ruthless this version establishes the kind of person she is in this universe. This version of penguin still isn’t my favourite version, but it’s not bad either
Penguin is an evil version of Bruce Wayne/Batman’s wealth used badly. Penguin is from a rich family just like Bruce in Gotham. Penguin was bullied and traumatized so much for his Penguin appearance so embraced his negative Penguin appearance to be a criminal mastermind while being a socialite businessman.
I think she could’ve worked better if she had been the big bad of the season in that way we could’ve gotten to see her relationships with hers sons and gotten to see her similarities and differences to the Penguin we all know I just think it was a waste to have a gender bent Penguin appear once and is not seen in the rest of the season
There is another Jim Corrigan in DC comics with the same name as the one who becomes the spectre but is a different character. He was part of the Gotham Central comic written by Ed Brubaker and Greg Rucka. Also should be pointed out that Brubaker and Rucka wrote episodes for caped crusader, this makes it fair to assume that the Jim Corrigan in this show is the Gotham Central one and not the one who becomes the Spectre.
I think they should have swapped Harley Quinn with Hugo Strange. Bruce Timm doesn't seem to like Harley Quinn very much. Paul Dini always liked her more. Which is why she's probably so different in this show.
I’m glad they used Harley the way they did. The inversion on BTAS “happy Harleen” and “serious Harley” punishing the rich that made their families suffer was way more interesting to me than using Hugo Strange, as much as I like him.
Honestly, some of her comments (specifically about/to Batman) at times did remind me of Hugo Strange from "The Batman" TV show. Though, it was still interesting to see a version of Harley actually use her backstory in psychology, unlike other versions
Harley Quinn in this series is the character in name only. Honestly, she feels more like Hugo Strange, which makes me wonder why they didn't just use Hugo Strange instead?
Because it’s a different version? Christopher Nolan’s Joker is different from the comic version, and everybody loved him. So what’s the problem with Harley
@@Rock-Child Don't you compare Nolan's Joker with this. At least that Joker acted somewhat like the one from the comics. He looked like him, acted like him, and laughed like him. Harley in this show is just the character in name only. She's just...boring. I mean, she doesn't even have a reason to dress up like a Harlequin. She acts more like Hugo Strange than anything in this series. Also, just because it's a "different take" doesn't automatically mean it's good.
@@HewylewisI didn’t say it was good, I said that it’s a different take, made by the guy who created her! He has the right to change his characters the way he wants.
The solo Batman episodes like ep 8 are my undisputed favorites compared the ones featuring the characters they want you to get invested in, it’s weird since two of the head writers wrote Gotham central, the supporting cast has none of the depth they had in the show that came out 30 years ago. A decent Batman show is better than nothing but I’m tired of getting painfully okay caped content rn knowing that it’s not entirely going to be for me. X-men 97 was probably a fluke.
The episodes they wrote were good. And episode 8 is not written by the Gotham Central writers and it ended up being my favorite. Maybe too many writers make it harder to tell a cohesive story.
My main problem with the show are how they reimagine the villains. The villains are one of the many incredible things about the og series and at first when I saw penguin I was a little skeptic but tried to give it a shot but I ended up being disappointed because they somehow missed the point of penguin’s character. He’s an unlikable asshole that is ugly on the outside and hideous in the inside and is disliked by everyone around him. He was an outcast because of his looks and that made him become disowned by his own family leading him to become a bitter criminal. A thing they got right is that the penguin has some charisma but the fact that she is liked by everyone takes away from the point of his character. It was the rejection and discrimination that he experienced that lead him to a life of crime which he still experiences as an adult so taking away that key information messes up the origin of the Penguin and I don’t want to get started with Harvey Dent because they somehow also missed the point of his character by making him an asshole.
Funny, that’s one of the show’s highlights for me. I loved what they did with Clayface, Harley and especially Nocturna. I missed a selfish Catwoman who just enjoys committing crimes. Their Harvey Dent is lacking in execution, but I like the idea: Twists his tale from a tragedy to a story of hope and redemption since the scarred side is the one who regrets what he did in the past and learns empathy.
Penguin was a very unique take while still feeling same criminal boss. Clayface is based on his original serial killer version. Firefly and Firebug are actually entirely different characters, but people often confuse two. Harley's this portrayal is actually Bruce Tim's first idea for Harley, but DC thought it was too dark. In the '90s, Bruce Timm and Paul Dini wanted to use Nocturna, and had plans to make her an actual vampire. But Fox Kids Network censors would not allow an actual vampire on children's programming.
Bruce Timm is part of the creative team of this series, I understand why he does not want to do a rehash of his beloved series. We should respect that.
This show is the perfect example of different isn't always better in fact sometimes it can be much worse. They tried to change so much about the side characters but it added nothing to them or the story. And for a show that's supposed to take place in the 1940s all the characters act like they are from los angeles in the 2020s. Actually hard to believe Bruce Timm made this show with how off it is.
Thank you. The other reviews and comments I've seen all applaud the animation for how great it is. To me it looks like a generic off-brand ripoff of BTAS.
I felt the show too rush to development of other characters but Batman quite great. Hope season 2 maybe take slow storytelling and develop the year in the after ww2
@@Scrappy_ill_fold_ya_Doo possibly that yeah, I just think animation looks like clean or plain (?) not sure how to describe it. I reckon if it looked "old" or looked something like the old spawn animation it would be cooler, but to each their own at the end of the day!
I think it's easier for them to get away with having stuff that isn't time period accurate here since they're very subtle about the time period. There's old tech, but they never explicitly say what year or decade it is, which is actually pretty close to what BTAS did.
Yeah so far I'm halfway through the show and I definitely agree. The character I was most looking forward to seeing in the show and one I thought Caped Crusader handled far better than BTAS is Catwoman. Batman TAS I always felt had a very disappointing Catwoman and focused too much on her being an animal activist than the classic cat burglar aspect of the character and I always disliked that in BTAS she didn't regard Bruce Wayne and was only interested in Batman because in the comics Catwoman was always attracted to both Bruce and Batman, which thankfully they did in Caped Crusader
I personally disagree. I like that there are shades of gray to Selina Kyle in other ventures, and I didn't like that they made her completely lack any proper depth in this show.
But... she isn't attracted to Bruce in Caped Crusader? In fact, I'm going as far as to say that this Catwoman is basically a parody of the one in BTAS. She has a shitload of cats she is obsessed over for no real reason (in fact, stealing is for her just a selfish act), her having a lot of money is a farce (well, has become so), her iconic kiss with Batman in BTAS is recreated but with a "funny" outcome (Batman not being into it at all and pulling her away), she even has a female assistant that helps her with her Catwoman activities except she is an old bag who dislikes her and only cares about getting paid. The best animated Catwoman, to date, is the one from The Batman 2004. She stays true to the character in the comics unlike in BTAS, and remains a likeable character unlike the one in Caped Crusader. Granted, she still isn't interested in Bruce which was your main critique, but at least retains her other iconic features, unlike the other two adaptations.
Honestly as a black dude I'm sick of race swapping I want to see actual black character This shxt feels like sloppy seconds all the time They'll never be iconic or memorable Look at what a Legend static shock and black panther are to us vs black swapped side character number 276
1:44, yep. There's nothing especially unique about this show given all the context of its setting and it being set in the 40's doesn't seem to affect the stories and the world around Batman that much, other than a simple surface level aesthetic change. It would have been interesting to see how the events of that time affected Gotham and its citizens and how Batman responds to it and try to make Gotham a better place, but it really didn't. The redesigns, changes, and new takes could have been done in any Batman show and most time periods. Things mostly feel the same as any other Batman. It's not bad, but I expected more.
This version of Jim Corrigan is actually from the "Gotham Central" comics. He was a corrupt cop in Gotham and was more of a foil to Renee Montoya. He also has no relation to the Specter version of Corrigan.
"Batman: TAS" showed us what a Batman show should be like, amazing characters filled with personality, villains that were adapted perfectly and in some cases even improved from the original comics, a timeless looking city and episodes and concepts just oozing with creativity. Even episodes that weren't great still had a lot of effort put into them. "Caped crusader" on the other hand is only average when it comes to the writing, this show is an insult to every Batman fan out there. It just completely misunderstands almost every character it's adapting, the artstyle is incredibly bland and boring and the unnecessary changes are the cherry on top. This show just feels like another poorly written cashgrab made by people who think simply imitating the look of an absolute classic is enough to nostalgiabait the fans into watching. But it doesn't work because TAS fans grew up with a show that taught them to think for themselves instead of just consuming. It's just another example of the deteriorating quality of modern writing
Calling this an insult to Batman fans is a stretch. The show is just okay at best and barely better than Beware the Batman, which is still the worst one.
An insult? Not at all. It is very reminiscent of the Golden Age. What characters does it misunderstand, as well. Clayface was exactly like his early variation, Harley is a reinterpretation of the character that they themselves they created, Penguin is the almost the exact same she's been since The New Batman Adventures, Harvey's duality is represented in a fascinatingly different way compared to his previous roles, etc. They reinterpreted the characters to be different enough, but their essences were still recognizable.
Heaven forbid a Batman series doesn’t just retread the same characters going through the same exact motions every adaptation. I appreciate this show’s “new meets old” approach the the characters, harkening to their Golden Age designs and motivations while giving us some new interpretations.
My immediate reaction to this show is that it's just more character recycling but with diversity and inclusion but that is now our own modern narrative we need to eat it up or be labeled as some -ism or -phobe. It's good to have more characters that may appeal to a wider group of youth but make new characters. History is what it is.
Naa dead ass as soon as I saw race swap Barbara I clicked off the episode and was like I bet she bout to gay and a smug know at all turns out I was right
@@SebastianEnamorado-ql4rh Really? I just don’t want to believe it because of The Batman but maybe that is true. I personally loved this show but I do have few complaints and I can agree with this video but I’m just wondered who did all the “bad” of it.
Scale 1-10 (5 being average/mediocre) I’d give it a 4. I was very disappointed. The quality of the character models, graphics, movements, facial expressions etc was not even close to as good as BTAS, which came out in the 90s. I don’t like how the show commonly has stuff happening that would never have taken place in the 40s. Harley Quinn kissing Montoya in public, women being in powerful positions like penguin, Montoya and Barbra are just a few examples. Also their need to change characters who have had a certain identity for decades for no good reason. Penguin is a woman? Alfred is morbidly obese? Tony zucco is now Tony zitto but gets killed off before he can kill dick Grayson’s parents? I could go on and on about that stuff, but the thing that was the worst about this show was the insane amount of screen time we had with non Batman characters. It felt like he was on screen less than both Gordon’s, Montoya, dent, and sometimes even guys like flass and bullock. I was going into it expecting a Batman show but it felt like a Barbra Gordon show with Montoya as her sidekick/secondary character.
If you know anything about the production or crew of BTAS, you would know that they are very progressive people. Half of BTAS was subtly hunting at the queer sexualities of some of their villains, or highlighting the abusiveness of capitalism and authority. It's a new world, and we've already seen a bunch of interpretations of characters that are largely the same. I don't mind Penguin being a woman, I don't mind Barbara Gordon being black (especially since Jim Gordon being black in the recent Batman movie,) because this isn't the same universe as every other universe. I welcome the change. Batman is also just as beloved for his cast, one thing I love is when Batman is observed from the perspective of other characters.
@andyroobrick-a-brack9355 They weren't as progressive when BTAS came out, and you can clearly see that represented in the show itself. No, the show didn't pander to homosexuals and it definitely wasn't hammering home an anti capitalist message either.
I absolutely agree about the serious Barbara Gordon problem this show has, it felt like they kept having her and Rene do ALL The work and then Batman just shows up for a last minute action scene.
I'll have to see if I agree with with the opinions here. I admit seeing an aged up Barbara is an odd choice but maybe she'll become what Jim is to batman moving forward
I don't think it's odd that they had an aged up Barbara given she started out older when first introduced before she was apparently gradually de-aged & Bruce Timm wanted do differentiate this series from BTAS. So they don't have to go for "she's this Batman's Gordon" (but they could) she can just become Batgirl.
If you're going to set a show in a different time period, you shouldn't change the demographics of the period because it takes you out of the immersion.
Its time period was never established. Like Batman: The Animated Series, it simply took the aesthetic of 1940s crime noir. That said, you may want to look into police force demographics during segregation times. Hint: not all cops or neighborhoods were white. Either way, a Batman cartoon is not real life. It's a fictional superhero show. Demographics don't matter, but I can't pretend I'm not very happy that people like you are so upset about it.
@@glassjawrules13 Plus, I like to see it as a sort of twist on the Batman formula. And as I've been saying in other comments about this show, it's set in an ALTERNATIVE universe: not everything is going to be 1-to-1 with the main comics, and not everything is gonna be the same in terms of history or the like.
@@Bakuganluver23 Heck, most things in the main comics aren't 1-to-1 with what came prior haha. It's just another take on the Batman universe, which is why the reasons certain folks take issue with this particular show becomes abundantly clear, even when they type up essays to suggest it's a story issue or what have you.
@@glassjawrules13 And I think you should take your own advice and look up ANY video footage of the time period and come right back here and tell me the demographics aren't majority white.
*Batman: Caped Crusader* S1 Episodes Ranked 1. 1x08: "Nocturne" 2. 1x05: "The Stress of Her Regard" 3. 1x04: "The Night of the Hunters" 4. 1x03: "Kiss of the Catwoman" 5. 1x02: "...And Be a Villain" 6. 1x10: "Savage Night" 7. 1x09: "The Killer Inside Me" 8. 1x07: "Moving Target" 9. 1x01: "In Treacherous Waters" 10. 1x06: "Night Ride"
I liked it. Wasn't perfect, but definitely a solid foundation to build on. And people need to stop crying about stupid sh!t... This is a fake superhero cartoon... Not a history documentary. They can show lesbians and black people without idiots getting offended. Grow up and go outside.
Is the show *explicitly* set during the 1930s-40s, or is it just an alt-history with a 40s aesthetic, similar to Fallout? There is a BIG difference. I don’t think the year was ever mentioned once in the show, and there are a lot of technological anachronisms that didn’t exist or existed shortly after the 40s. This leads me to conclude that the setting isn’t actually the 1940s, or at least not OUR 1940s, but a totally different society with a generally mid-20th century look. Again, this is very similar to how Fallout works.
According to both CBR and IMBD, it takes place in the 1940s. Also I think the fashion and the designs are a dead giveaway that's set during those years as well. Also, Fleischer Lois Lane makes an appearance as well,, in her original design.
@@NightRunner2099 if it was in the 40s there wouldn’t be a black police commissioner. Inspired by and actually taking place in are 2 different things. The universe is totally new
@@Thomaskeys-1987 and that's literally the first point here in this video. The show doesn't really utilize the fact that it's set during a totally different era other than a surface level aesthetic change from other Batman adaptations. Would have been interesting to see how Batman reacts to different stuff that affected Gotham's citizen during and post WW2 with him trying to make Gotham a better place. There's nothing particularly unique about the takes and changes in this show that couldn't have been done in others.
@@NightRunner2099 yeah they played it a lil too safe. Dc scared to be “controversial” in any way that’s negative peep how Batman would never sock any of the female villains even while they in the process of committing mass murder
The creators said that the aesthetic is based on the 1940s. This doesn't mean the show itself is taking place during the 1940s we know. It could be a universe where either people didn't move on from said aesthetic and it's the year 2000 or just a different version of the 1940s where only aesthetics stay, not bigotry or the war.
Do you think you could make a video about a Marvel animated universe similar to the Tomorrowverse? Even though it would be messy and go fast, it would be cool to hear about the 3 part Secret Wars finale that ends this universe!
@MrVenom1 Oh yeah, I agree with you! It would be cool to like see Quicksilver (or maybe a different speedster) run fast and change the timeline. Seeing stuff like Howard Stark be Iron Man instead of Tony, Captain America would be kept by the government, a World War 3 between Namor and the Atlanteans against T'Challa (although it could be Shuri to make it more accurate) and the Wakandans. Then, to have the first Avengers movie, have them face Thanos' invasion! I could imagine this version of Apokolips War being a (albeit messy) mix between Infinity Gauntlet, Infinity War, and Endgame.
@MrVenom1 One last thing before I go, Justice Society: World War 2 would be replaced with, "The Invaders: World War 2" featuring Quicksilver as opposed to Flash!
@@jabradococonutfrosting9513 And Iron Man demon in a bottle instead of Batman The Long Halloween or Armor Wars, Armor Wars seems like itd work better with 2 movies but the tone of Demon in a Bottle might be better to match a batman story like the Long Halloween
Thank you! Nobody is talking about how crappy and cheap the animation is. It's like a couple notches above Mr. Birchum level. Just 60 seconds of the best episodes of BTAS feel like they used the entire season animation budget of Caped Crusader. Also this solidifies how well the truly episodic nature of BTAS worked in making the best episode mini-movie masterpieces. Can you imagine if the three-act laser focus of episodes like 'Heart of Ice' were interrupted by clunky scenes updating us on Harvey Dent's campaign or some drama with Mayor Hill?
Well agree to disagree, but I personally enjoyed it. Since their doing something unquie and different that fit each character persona. My favorite is what they've done with Harley, making her into what if jigsaw was a therapist.
I liked it but I am not happing with all the race swapping & gender swapping let the writers not be so lazy & create new & original characters but leave already existing characters alone!!
@@Gotham_bat759 its just a cheap way for subversion and when people complain they can just say well it doesnt matter :) now if it doesnt fucking matter it never would have been changed
Agreed. It feels like Hollywood and comics hate original black characters more than anything. They act like black characters can be nothing but cheap lazy sloppy seconds even tho all the best black characters are OGs like Black Panther, Black Lightning, Static Shock, Spawn etc. They all this evidence that og black characters are beloved and among all the characters I name only 1 has a movie in the last 20 years meanwhile every show and movie is filled with sloppy second characters. It's just laziness at thos point and I'm tired of it gives us Real Black Characters!
As someone who didn't pay much attention to this nor was hyped for it I actually really enjoyed it. Its clearly inspired by the classic and it shows And I think the few changes were pretty good. Black Jim Gordon is nothing new Montoya was always gay Penguin to me was always sorta gender neutral so being a female didn't bother me This version of Harley was interesting... definitely alot more independent. I rate it a 7/10
Much like how we can have black stage actors in Shakespeare plays, we can have a diverse cast in noir-40s-type setting. It’s not intended to be historically accurate, Batman alone negates that, but to match the general tone they’re going for.
Honestly, people are just exhausted by the race swapping of it all. Don't non white characters deserve to have original representation, instead of settling with scraps?
@@Tali-De I honestly can see it both ways. I personally hold to the belief that race swapping CAN be pulled off if you actually do something interesting with it. My two examples for doing it right and doing it wrong are ironically both from Disney. The example done right is Tiana from the Princess and the Frog. I don't know where the original story came from aside from the fact its European in origin, but when the writers made Tiana the titular princess, they didn't just slap a black woman into a European Kingdom and call it a day, they fleshed out an entire setting in Louisiana during the Roaring 20s to craft a story about a black princess and the challenges she had to face during those times (even if it was slightly watered down). As for the example done wrong...... I think we all know who that is. Under the sea! That's where the Horrors be. Down where it's wetter, it's not that better, take it from me! Back to the topic, Live Action Ariel embodies everything wrong with race swapping and the living embodiment of your point. Why is it every other live action princess gets an actress who actually looks like her (sometimes), and yet the role of Ariel goes to a black woman because she can sing? Something doesn't add up. Scratch that, a LOT of things don't add up. A lot of the movie feels like a corporate mandate. I mean Eric isn't even the biological heir to the throne, he's adopted in order to explain why his mother is black (kind of like how Fox used the adoption excuse to justify a black Human Torch, which everyone rightly bashed). There are also Ariel's sisters who are so many different ethnicities that Triton either pulled a Zeus or Poseidon and slept with a lot of Mermaids, or Ariel's mom was a hoe. My greatest complaint with the race swapping was that they never did anything genuine with the change. The Original Little Mermaid didn't even have a name, so they could have made a black Little Mermaid her own unique take on the classic character. They could have tailored the story to a more Caribbean or African setting to justify the casting choice and build up from there. But no, instead we got a crappy rehash of the original movie. That is why that movie is such a big failure, because it used race as a bait to lure people in, only for them to come out disappointed. So, yeah, as you pointed out people are exhausted and I am among one of them. Not because I hate the concept with a passion, but because it has been poorly done so many times that Hollywood clearly shows that they have no idea how to pull the idea off. I honestly think that race swapping in adaptations along with Original Characters are equally valid forms of representation, but both have their own pitfalls, usually in the same areas like tokenism or being unintentionally offensive. I think the reason the OC route feels like the better solution is because at least if that character fails, it won't drag down an already established character with it.
not really, cause its not done for any good reason than tokenism and agenda pushing for filling a quota hence why its always the same group that gets race swapped, gender bent and not the reverse its disingenuous
Honestly the Gordon's being race swapped surprised me simply cause the setting the shows set in, but it doesn't bother me non, I see it like he's nick fury, you can have SLJ Fury or the pre mcu fury doesn't make a difference who's in position long as you don't stereotype them
Batman the Animated series was set during the mid to late 90's. That universe just happened to have maintained the art deco look of the 30's and 40's. I assumed watching this that the same thing was happening in this series. While they don't tell us specifically, I don't think this is actually set during the 1920s. I think that this world simply kept the 1920s aesthetic into whatever decade it is. No evidence to support this, was just my belief based off the previous work.
I thought the show was a 3/10. Batman felt like a side character to Renee and Barbara. I don't understand why they set this in the 1940s they didn't really play with that. Harley Quinn was and Catwoman were the worst thing here in my opinion. Hamish did a good job with Batman/Bruce Wayne. The Supernatural aspect worked here like I thought it would as Batman and Supernatural mysteries are made for each other. It allows him to be at his finest as a warrior and a super genius polymathic intellectual while keeping him close to his roots as the world's greatest detective. With that being said I have been very disappointed with Matt Reeves Batman in both animation and Live-action.
They had a proud and open lesbian couple and a black Police Commissioner in a story that takes place in the 1940s?!?!?!?!?! *How fictional is this?!?!?!?!?!?!* I'm not homophobic or racist, believe me I'm not. But characters have to match the setting of the story!!!!
This isn’t the 40s. It’s just using the aesthetic. Think like in pre-war Fallout with it being set in the 2000s but with the retrofuturistic aesthetic that was popular in 50s. It’s not a big deal.
@@dionlackey798 yeah it does. The series it said the same year as Batman’s first appearance, which is the late 1930s just before World War II. Explain why World War II is never mentioned, it hasn’t happened yet. but that’s only addressing one of the criticisms of the show.
I've seen how people say the show is either the best or the worst of batman. For me, it was a nice watch. I do see the vision and there is some great potential that just hasn't been pushed in yet. If there is a second season. I do think that it would improve on my issues, as it has finished establishing the universe and the characters to how we know them.
The benefit of being a new universe, or even considered an Elseworld, is how different it can allow itself to be in how it interprets the characters. Because if they were only ever going to do what came before what would even be the point? And it's not the first time DC has used the setting of the 30's-40's without adhering to the attitudes towards sexuality. DC's Bombshells book set in World War II had a lot of open same-sex relations and didn't often focus on race. The only times those came up was with the villains, many of whom had been allied with the Nazis or were used to represent the prejudices of the times.
I mean my ancestors had a black shief run them out of town after my great many times grandfather killed a black man try to rape his daughter.... This was 200 years ago in the south... So if their were black shiefs in the the south back then... Why can't their be a black cominsoner up north in the 1940s...?
It feels weird to get hung up on different social norms in the 40s. Neither did Ghosts or Batman exist during the time either but it is part of the fictional world. The point is that the time period adds a really cool gothic and noir element to the show that actually, in my opinion, comes through really well.
My god just got done w the onomatopoeia ep. first what a fucking waste of a good villain and 2nd the stupidiest plot hole: barbara is a public defender...so wtf the guy who put the hit on her has money to put a hit on her but not enough to pay for a lawyer who is not a public defender?!!
@@TheFilmFanatic_Handle I honestly don’t see why he should switch up the title, Caped Crusader was barely mediocre, the only episode that genuinely had me intrigued was The Nocturna episode as that had mood and story had some actually interesting villains, not to mention Batman finally being useful in his own show!
Hard agree. Should’ve kept original title. Despite all the changes the show made, it still didn’t feel fresh and like it gave me something new or a better version of something familiar.
I don't see the issue with a female Penguin tbh. The comics have already had a female Ventriloquist, a female Clayface, two female Jokers, and a female Two-Face.
Those are what we call DERIVATIVES. Meaning they exist alongside their original counterpart and have their OWN names and notives and are effectivelt original character in their own right. This version of penguin is literally just a gender swap...even the name points that out...OswaldA...seriously? They didnt even TRY💀 BTAS also had a derivative of Calendar man called Calendar Girl...although she was never named that in the show itself. But even then she had her own motives and backstory and was only similar in motif. Her design was also completelt different so effectively she was also and original character
Worst adaptation of the penguin is straight up wrong this is like, the only version of the penguin other than 2004s thats actually an interesting character
I am at episode 5 right now and i kind of like it. I love the 1940s set but I do agree that they haven't did much with the setting and i love the villains. However the animation looks too much like a direct-to-video DC Animated movie divided in more episodes and idon't like that much. I hope next seasons can improve that.
The reason it took so long to come out was not because of work done on the show but because Warner wanted to write it off for a tax exemption. It was basically being saved but then it also took some time to find somewhere that wanted the show, hence why it was on Amazon
Great review man and honestly for me I think this show was good but not as good as Batman animated series obviously but way better then I thought it was going to be, but overall though this show was fine at best not the worse but just fine at best.
I thought the show was okay but i am dissapointed with how two-face was handled. The way they were going with a redeamable two-face, i was thinking that would be a good way to tie in Jason. In some iterations, Jason's dad was killed by two-face. So, having Jason be someone that forgives two-face would show some great and heartwarming character development for Harvey's rehabilitation and Jason calming down his stance on criminals. Maybe they've already done something like with Jason somewhere in the comics but i would have liked to see it on screen. ( I know the robins and bat kids are unlikely to show up in this series but i just thought it would be an interesting storyline to do sometime )
I think I like Hamish Linklater’s Bruce Wayne voice more than the Batman Voice. If only he would modulate his Bruce Wayne voice and maybe make it deeper and stern it would sound better. I feel like his Batman Voice is a bit too raspy and more like Christian Bale’s Batman Voice.
I actually didn't think I would like the series kind of wasn't sure about it, but after watching it it made me very interested. The stories were similar to how i envision how these people would act. Im happy Barbara wasn't a teenager medling in the adult affairs. Actually, this made the connection of Harley being a psychologist more realistic. Even though as a black person I understand the racial issues in the 40s . I think they tried to change our reality to a multicultural reality that is now but set in the 40s and not using all the war, segregation, and communism scare is pushed down. The original cartoon didn't discuss any social issues.
To me all eps are between 7 to 9 out of 10, bro that ain't average in my book, not even close. I Wanted noir crime investigative batman, I got noir golden age batman, to me was a win by all means.
This show was never going to be Batman the animated series because it represents a completely different era of Batman, although there are some instances where certain characters still try to appeal to a more modern audience and that’s where the problems of this show start to surface. Sorry for the mini essay
I love how this series featured a serial killer who could magically change his face, a ghost, and a vampire, but seeing lesbians in the 40’s is what made it unrealistic? Minus a few changes this is pretty much Golden Age Batman and I feel you were expecting modern day Batman. Golden Age Batman is a killer. That should’ve stayed. If we’re going to go with the no kill rule, then just make it modern day
Lesbian homosexuality in the 40s isn't unrealistic, it’s the people’s nonexistent reactions towards them being openly affectionate with each other in public that’s not realistic. Me personally, it comes across as erasure/or turning a blind eye towards the real suffering homosexuals (and “non-whites”) had to endure during this time period - it also weakens the more serious atmosphere they were going for(?), but again, that’s just my opinion.
Are uploaders like you clickbaiting us? How is that everyone nowadays feels like tearing down anything creative. UA-cam and podcast culture is pond scum right now. UA-cam used be unique things you won't find on the telly. Now its all a thumbnail of a current piece of pop culture or news juxtaposed with a weird looking mugshot of the uploader pulling a face. I hate that. It is posting for the sake of posting and everything is reduced to a numbers game. Thats crazy. The show was indeed great. While updating the cast, I found it not suffering from shove-down-the-throat wokeism. I loved the it wasn't wall-to-wall action and really played out like neo-noir thrillers ending with crisp climaxes. Most importantly, the show spend time showcasing Batman's true skills - being a detective. Great first season. Bruce Timm has already given us a bombastic version. Let us let him give us the sombre and grimy version. A true classic era film like animation.
i saved this entire series and waited so that i could binge it while on a 7 hour flight and i only was able to get thru like 3 1/2 episodes. i was not impressed especially with all the hype surrounding it
Also we got a little Easter egg with Waylon jones earlier in nocturna. I think the stronger episodes are the ones with Batman dealing with ether children or the corruption of Gotham. Stepping up within the city gets you hurt or twisted in some way. I did want Harvey to have a different voice but maybe that’s just me.
The biggest issue the show had was how short the show was. It has so much potential and yet didnt truly get there. I hope the budget and length get better in season 2 Also.... its not a period piece? It just uses the 1940 aesthetic its not meant to be an accurate portrayal of the time period
This show was bad except for Clayface and Harley Quinn. If you're going to put this drastic a take onto a well-established character that is existed for centuries, look for other characters to use instead of drastically altering once that already exists; unless they make sense. Clayface is an exception & perfect example of this type of thing done right due to the fact that him essentially being a composite character of 3 of the 4 main Clayfaces definitely seems like it could have been inspired by the Clayface Mudpack story, actually he should have been the one to be turned into a female instead of Oswald to make it the whole Pack. Penguinia is the perfect example of the horrible take on this due to the fact that she could have just been Sophia Falcone
I would like to see a Robin in this series but it’s not going to happen because of the 1940’s to 1950’s. During that time probation kicked in and we were trying to get the kids out of dangerous jobs like the coal mine and chimney sweepers. If Batman did had a child sidekick it will not making him look good because it’s putting kids in one of the most dangerous situations.
It's also not meant to be a completely fictional world, it is meant to be based on our world. An example of a Batman in a completely fictional world would be The Batman of Zur-En-Arrh.
I’m rewatching because I feel the first 4 episodes were setting up something that the final 6 episodes didn’t quite deliver. That said: I loved episodes 2, 5 and 8 especially for what they did to the villains in these episodes. Episode 8 in particular (and episode 6 in a different way) did a great job in humanizing Batman and his dynamic with Nocturna was very interesting. I hope they expand on it in Season 2. Maybe add Scarecrow to the mix and adapt “mistress of fear” but with Natalia Knight instead of Becka Albright.
The rewatch confirmed my impressions: I still love episodes 2, 5 and especially 8. Episodes 3 and 6 were a lot of fun too, but episodes 1-4 were setting up quite a few things that didn’t had satisfying payoffs: - Episode 2 sets up a conflict between Montoya and Batman and by episode 7 it’s like this conflict never existed. - Episode 4 puts Flass and Bullock in charge of the Anti-Batman task force. In episode 5 we see them briefly trying to capture Batman, but the rest of it is focused on Harley Quinn. - Episodes 6 and 8 focus on stories that don’t involve the cops (no complaints here. Both great episodes in their own way). - Episode 7 ignores the task force plot line (I wish the criminal who put the hit on “Gordon” was someone established early on in the season + The conflict between Jim and Barbara has an interesting conclusion but it doesn’t go anywhere after that. I wish it had consequences on the way Barbara sees her work and Gotham as a whole). Maybe because of the events on episode 4 Gordon is no longer interested in hunting Batman down, but I don’t think that applies to Montoya. I wish the show had addressed where she stands on the Batman issue more often. Then on episodes 9 & 10 the whole task force thing is over because the Mayor won the election and pretty much doesn’t care anymore. I think the show would have benefited from having Harvey win the election and delay his descent into Madness for a climatic season 2. The way they dealt with Harvey felt very rushed to me. And I can’t believe the end he got. Too rushed and ended too soon.
Something can be different and still be executed badly. If I order a medium-rare steak but they serve me, indeed, a medium-rare steak, but the seasoning is off and the meat is all dry and burnt in several points, I'm not gonna say "Well, at least my want for a medium-rare steak has been fullfilled", I'm gonna say "Wow, this is bad and my want for a medium-rare steak is still unfulfilled".
I honestly like it for what it was but I also feel it has a different feeling compared to the trailer maybe it was the hype but that’s just my perspective.
I feel like everyone complaining about this show must have not watched the 90s animated show .also people complaining about it being set in the 40s but it not feeling like the 40s are absolutely wrong Imo . The clothes ,the cars , and the technology are all very much of the time . Unless you want everyone in the show to be really sexist and racist to black people and women in the show . which is just kinda weird to want in a cartoon for kids lol.
Here we go again smh. The first 10 episodes of this season Batman isn’t it. And we’ve been getting that with a bunch of that shows the last 10 years. Wouldn’t it be good for the first season and then expand on more characters in the following seasons?
I mean it’s NOT “for kids” but I agree it’s a weird desire it’s like sexist and racist people want to vicariously live out “the good old days” through the show.
Yeah. I hope we get more of her in season 2. Batman should’ve gone after Thorne first leaving penguin operation stronger unintentionally. She’s way more interesting.
Not a fan of the gender-swapping penguin and this version of Harley Quinn is just Hugo Strange (also tired of seeing Harley again and again same thing with Catwoman I don’t even consider her a villain). I also agree with the whole period take. Clayface was my favorite part of the series I felt like the series should’ve been focused on Batman and Clayface.
Finally! Someone else on my page! I found this show aggressively mediocre for how long we were waiting for it! I am the biggest Batman fan I know and this was the least invested I've been in a project centred around the character from a minute! Would've loved it if it had a ambiance and aesthetics of L.A. Noire with the animation of Max Fleischer's Superman catoon or Batman Year One (2011)! Honestly, I'd love if DC -- or whoever -- converted the Telltale game into a series and then continued from that. On an island maybe, but just loved seeing something different with that adaptation!
I'd say this, while no one might agree with me, I loved this show but I can see why someone might not be blown away by it
I Really Love The Show And Give It A 8 Out Of 10
Same
I really like it. I have a few problems with it but I hope it continues (hopefully with a bigger budget).
I love the show
I give the show a 9 out of 10 it reminded me a lot of Batman the animated series
2:32, even that limited technology is inconsistent. Catwoman randomly pulls out an electric knuckle duster out of nowhere. And Harley had gas-vented cells with electrified, automatic sliding doors all controlled by console, while Batman's most technological advanced thing was a car phone.
I think she pulled it out of Batmans belt
Reminds me of the Animated Series. The 1930s Golden Age is an aesthetic, not an accurate reflection of the tech of the time.
@@ItsOver9000ProductionsShe didn’t. When Catwoman said “You have toys?!” In their first encounter that was intended to set up that she’d make her own toys to be ready for their next confrontations.
Gas vented cells been around since WW2. Ya, know...Bittler and the Brews.. There's just glass now.
Who cares it's amazing
Aging Barbera up isn't that weird, because back in the 1960's comics she was introduced as an adult, it wasn't until other versions of the canon came along that she started off as a teenager
Paul dini was the missing ingredient
I agree
@@jackpot42Paul Dini is the writer of BTAS, it’s Caped Crusader’s writing that we’re all dogging on. This show is written like crap, hence why Dini is this missing piece.
That is definitely true for Arkham Knight.
@@phoster3322no he wasn’t, you’re confusing him for Bruce Timm who was the other half of the creative genius behind Batman the animated series and the executive producer of this show in particular- y’know the guy- the one with the weird Batbabs obsession. Paul wasn’t involved with this project at all. If he was involved, the show would’ve ended up in a better place because it was usually Paul Dini that often vetoed Bruce Timm’s weird ideas and made the original animated show the way it is today. Which is often revered, even today.
It’s like Batman and The Joker, you can’t have something heavy hitting without the other half.
Edit: ALSO if you do a quick google search of who the writer is, it isn’t Paul Dini but instead Ed Brubaker
@@Limitedprodigy002 Ah, i didn’t write my comment properly, I meant Paul Dini is the _writer,_ as in, the reason BTAS was so good. The writing in THIS show, is what we were dogging on
Personally I dunno how I feel about killing Two-Face off the way they did. It sometimes feels as if the only aspect people care about is his origin. He dies at the end of Dark Knight, dies at the end of this, Beware The Batman was cancelled before we got to see him unmasked, we see his origin in Long Halloween (But hey, that is an adaptation of a story about his origin so it makes sense). It just feels like we don't get a lot of Two-Face as a recurring villain anymore in media. Two-Face was once Batman's number 2 villain, appearing almost as often as Joker in the comics, but he doesn't often get the same treatment in the tv shows
Don’t forget Batman: Forever and Batman: The Telltale Series. 🤦♀
Me personally, I’m tired of seeing writers kill off Harvey in order to boost(?) Bruce Wayne’s character, when Dent has a lot of (emotional) potential himself. Especially when paired with his wife Gilda, who’s almost nonexistent, or replaced with an original (Rachel Dawes) or an already existing female character (Catwoman).
I 100% agree, although I haven't been a fan of batman until very recently, I thought that two face would be a more important villain tbh. How relationship to Bruce Wayne as a friend for the sake of publicity while leading a double life for the sake of justice was like perfect. I thought they'd give him more screen time :(
Penguin was a very unique take while still feeling same criminal boss. But people will hate it. It is Elseworld story!
Clayface is based on his original serial killer version.
Firefly and Firebug are actually entirely different characters, but people often confuse two.
Harley's this portrayal is actually Bruce Tim's first idea for Harley, but DC thought it was too dark.
In the '90s, Bruce Timm and Paul Dini wanted to use Nocturna, and had plans to make her an actual vampire. But Fox Kids Network censors would not allow an actual vampire on children's programming.
I really liked what they did with Harley.
But the change I liked the most was Nocturna.
Whoa, interesting info!!!!
I don’t know. Penguin feels like a weak take at subversion. Playing on what people expected to see from the character when they first teased Penguin in the episode. But switching to a different direction that just doesn’t fit or work.
The Harley character overall was actually very interesting
Penguin is not the same wtf. A cheerful socialite who flirts with everyone and has children... I swear man, everyone who doesn't have an issue with how they treated the characters never really knew these characters in the first place
I thought it was good. I believe the reason it's so average is because it's doing something new to not replicate a series that was way too good to be like in the 90s, and people are not used to it.
Exactly.Bruh gotta understand that.
And I feel like that's the thing here. Much like MAWS, sometimes it tries a bit too hard to be different from the other takes and it's not always a hit. And even when they have an idea with potential, they don't really spend much time on it. Like their new take and flip on Two Face was interesting, but he's prematurely taken out of the show without his potential realised.
Frr
That isn’t the problem, the problem is that these ‘’new’’ ideas and concepts are being executed in a very mediocre way. Some things have potential, but they are not expanded upon. It isn’t even outgoing. You might just be trying to find anything to defend it since many folk right now do that, they don’t believe in criticism anymore.
That's not the case
I actually liked this New Batman Caped Crusader
Same. I have one or two critics to it. But in general I liked it and hope it continues.
Yeah, it’s honestly pretty good, hope to get more seasons
My only complaint is this part 1:50 the timeline and the year it’s not realistic to the 1940s. But beside that the show is pretty good and a fresh new take on Batman.
I can see why someone may enjoy it but I have to say one thing; What’s the point of Twoface if Harvey Dent is already corrupt????
@@BlitzDemonGamer3032 Agreed
"The show doesn't really utilize the fact that it's set during a totally different era other than a surface level aesthetic change from other Batman adaptations. Would have been interesting to see how Batman reacts to different stuff that affected Gotham's citizen during and post WW2 with him trying to make Gotham a better place.
There's nothing particularly unique about the takes and changes in this show that couldn't have been done in others."
Because Batman comics existed at the time. That's the point of the setting. It's not so much a period piece as it is a return to the Golden Age from a modern perspective but with the aesthetic and technology used in that era. If it was set earlier and actually tried to be a period piece then sure, but I don't think the setting is really that big of an issue
Didn't the killing joke taught us that we cannot rely on Bruce Timm anymore?
I’ve always felt like Bruce Timm gets praised more than he deserves, especially when that credit belongs to other people.
Bruce Timm: Being given credit and position for all of Paul Dini's hard work.
The Killing Joke wasa good, no?
@@crunks2955 The main criticism for the film comes from the first half which strays from the source material and feels disjointed from the second half, this is of course thanks to Timm adding unnecessary - and questionable - “additions” to the story.
“Instead of humanizing her, [the prologue] turns Barbara/Batgirl into a comic book cliché: the female character that feigns complexity, but, when given an expanded role, is only viewed through a sexual lens."
- Ben Travers, IndieWire
For me personally, I also found the animation to be lacklustre. 🤷♀
@crunks2955 the main story yes, the extra padding was just an excuse to push his Bruce X Barb ship
Ngl, I was skeptical of a female penguin, but the reason this version ended up working for me is actually the fact that she’s a mother; a mother is known for being a loving/caring figure who is always there for you, but this version of Penguin is so ruthless that she will kill her own son
But for what reasons? For wealth? That's her whole motive? It doesn't work and it's forgettable. Naturally i prefer the classic ozzy
@@jhngrg8132 you’ve just completely missed the point I made; she can still have those motives but the symbolism of a mother being loving and kind being used in a negative way here to portray just how ruthless this version establishes the kind of person she is in this universe. This version of penguin still isn’t my favourite version, but it’s not bad either
@@Sam_Gunn no, maybe you missed my point. My point was that she didn't have any motives
Penguin is an evil version of Bruce Wayne/Batman’s wealth used badly. Penguin is from a rich family just like Bruce in Gotham. Penguin was bullied and traumatized so much for his Penguin appearance so embraced his negative Penguin appearance to be a criminal mastermind while being a socialite businessman.
I think she could’ve worked better if she had been the big bad of the season in that way we could’ve gotten to see her relationships with hers sons and gotten to see her similarities and differences to the Penguin we all know I just think it was a waste to have a gender bent Penguin appear once and is not seen in the rest of the season
There is another Jim Corrigan in DC comics with the same name as the one who becomes the spectre but is a different character. He was part of the Gotham Central comic written by Ed Brubaker and Greg Rucka. Also should be pointed out that Brubaker and Rucka wrote episodes for caped crusader, this makes it fair to assume that the Jim Corrigan in this show is the Gotham Central one and not the one who becomes the Spectre.
Could be a mix of both since we introduced magic with Papa Midnite nothing is off the table
I think they should have swapped Harley Quinn with Hugo Strange. Bruce Timm doesn't seem to like Harley Quinn very much. Paul Dini always liked her more. Which is why she's probably so different in this show.
I’m glad they used Harley the way they did.
The inversion on BTAS “happy Harleen” and “serious Harley” punishing the rich that made their families suffer was way more interesting to me than using Hugo Strange, as much as I like him.
Timm is a fetishy writer. Him making Harley Asian, Barbara black and Penguin a woman maybe some kind of personal fan fetish of his. Lol
@@petermj1098probably, I saw red flags as soon as I realize Bruce Tim is writing.
Honestly, some of her comments (specifically about/to Batman) at times did remind me of Hugo Strange from "The Batman" TV show. Though, it was still interesting to see a version of Harley actually use her backstory in psychology, unlike other versions
Tim created Harley why would he not get Harley
Harley Quinn in this series is the character in name only. Honestly, she feels more like Hugo Strange, which makes me wonder why they didn't just use Hugo Strange instead?
Because it’s a different version? Christopher Nolan’s Joker is different from the comic version, and everybody loved him. So what’s the problem with Harley
@@Rock-Child Don't you compare Nolan's Joker with this. At least that Joker acted somewhat like the one from the comics. He looked like him, acted like him, and laughed like him. Harley in this show is just the character in name only. She's just...boring. I mean, she doesn't even have a reason to dress up like a Harlequin. She acts more like Hugo Strange than anything in this series. Also, just because it's a "different take" doesn't automatically mean it's good.
@@HewylewisI didn’t say it was good, I said that it’s a different take, made by the guy who created her! He has the right to change his characters the way he wants.
@@Rock-Child Paul Dini created Harley Quinn, not Bruce Timm.
@@Hewylewis Fine. I have no more point. You win. Just don’t go around hating other versions of the same character because it isn’t an exact remake.
The solo Batman episodes like ep 8 are my undisputed favorites compared the ones featuring the characters they want you to get invested in, it’s weird since two of the head writers wrote Gotham central, the supporting cast has none of the depth they had in the show that came out 30 years ago.
A decent Batman show is better than nothing but I’m tired of getting painfully okay caped content rn knowing that it’s not entirely going to be for me.
X-men 97 was probably a fluke.
The episodes they wrote were good. And episode 8 is not written by the Gotham Central writers and it ended up being my favorite.
Maybe too many writers make it harder to tell a cohesive story.
My main problem with the show are how they reimagine the villains. The villains are one of the many incredible things about the og series and at first when I saw penguin I was a little skeptic but tried to give it a shot but I ended up being disappointed because they somehow missed the point of penguin’s character. He’s an unlikable asshole that is ugly on the outside and hideous in the inside and is disliked by everyone around him. He was an outcast because of his looks and that made him become disowned by his own family leading him to become a bitter criminal. A thing they got right is that the penguin has some charisma but the fact that she is liked by everyone takes away from the point of his character. It was the rejection and discrimination that he experienced that lead him to a life of crime which he still experiences as an adult so taking away that key information messes up the origin of the Penguin and I don’t want to get started with Harvey Dent because they somehow also missed the point of his character by making him an asshole.
It's a remaining which is not new in comic books
Funny, that’s one of the show’s highlights for me.
I loved what they did with Clayface, Harley and especially Nocturna.
I missed a selfish Catwoman who just enjoys committing crimes.
Their Harvey Dent is lacking in execution, but I like the idea: Twists his tale from a tragedy to a story of hope and redemption since the scarred side is the one who regrets what he did in the past and learns empathy.
L take
Penguin was a very unique take while still feeling same criminal boss.
Clayface is based on his original serial killer version.
Firefly and Firebug are actually entirely different characters, but people often confuse two.
Harley's this portrayal is actually Bruce Tim's first idea for Harley, but DC thought it was too dark.
In the '90s, Bruce Timm and Paul Dini wanted to use Nocturna, and had plans to make her an actual vampire. But Fox Kids Network censors would not allow an actual vampire on children's programming.
@@ouro8262 W take. You're apart of the cheap audience the show is targeted for
Bruce Timm is part of the creative team of this series, I understand why he does not want to do a rehash of his beloved series. We should respect that.
But in the original Bruce Tim was kept in check by the producers and now he's not, which is an issue for the series. Bruce Tim is no Stan Lee
This is more like "Bruce Timm's stupidest ideas get a second chance." 😂😂😂
no, we shouldn't
Remember that he was in favor of pushing BruceXBarbara, so yeah not the best idea to let him loose
Well I dont respect his butchering of characters. Lol first two episodes were enough to stop watching.
This show is the perfect example of different isn't always better in fact sometimes it can be much worse. They tried to change so much about the side characters but it added nothing to them or the story. And for a show that's supposed to take place in the 1940s all the characters act like they are from los angeles in the 2020s. Actually hard to believe Bruce Timm made this show with how off it is.
Glad you mentioned the awful animation, artwork and setting...it's embarrassingly bad when compared to the original 90's animated series.
Thank you. The other reviews and comments I've seen all applaud the animation for how great it is.
To me it looks like a generic off-brand ripoff of BTAS.
I felt the show too rush to development of other characters but Batman quite great. Hope season 2 maybe take slow storytelling and develop the year in the after ww2
exactly how i felt everything just happens no build up or explanation
I've found it a bit boring, it also lack the dark gritiness from the original...
This series is very dark. I don't think they ever showed death in TAS. I guess the atmosphere in TAS was gritty because of the old technology WB had.
Were you not paying attention?
Bro what? 😭
@@Scrappy_ill_fold_ya_Doo possibly that yeah, I just think animation looks like clean or plain (?) not sure how to describe it. I reckon if it looked "old" or looked something like the old spawn animation it would be cooler, but to each their own at the end of the day!
@@NeverOhVer No, I sat with my eyes closed and ear plugs in.
I think it's easier for them to get away with having stuff that isn't time period accurate here since they're very subtle about the time period. There's old tech, but they never explicitly say what year or decade it is, which is actually pretty close to what BTAS did.
Yeah so far I'm halfway through the show and I definitely agree. The character I was most looking forward to seeing in the show and one I thought Caped Crusader handled far better than BTAS is Catwoman. Batman TAS I always felt had a very disappointing Catwoman and focused too much on her being an animal activist than the classic cat burglar aspect of the character and I always disliked that in BTAS she didn't regard Bruce Wayne and was only interested in Batman because in the comics Catwoman was always attracted to both Bruce and Batman, which thankfully they did in Caped Crusader
I personally disagree. I like that there are shades of gray to Selina Kyle in other ventures, and I didn't like that they made her completely lack any proper depth in this show.
But... she isn't attracted to Bruce in Caped Crusader? In fact, I'm going as far as to say that this Catwoman is basically a parody of the one in BTAS. She has a shitload of cats she is obsessed over for no real reason (in fact, stealing is for her just a selfish act), her having a lot of money is a farce (well, has become so), her iconic kiss with Batman in BTAS is recreated but with a "funny" outcome (Batman not being into it at all and pulling her away), she even has a female assistant that helps her with her Catwoman activities except she is an old bag who dislikes her and only cares about getting paid.
The best animated Catwoman, to date, is the one from The Batman 2004. She stays true to the character in the comics unlike in BTAS, and remains a likeable character unlike the one in Caped Crusader. Granted, she still isn't interested in Bruce which was your main critique, but at least retains her other iconic features, unlike the other two adaptations.
Honestly as a black dude I'm sick of race swapping
I want to see actual black character
This shxt feels like sloppy seconds all the time
They'll never be iconic or memorable
Look at what a Legend static shock and black panther are to us vs black swapped side character number 276
As a black dude 👨🏼💻
as a black dude I agree
1:44, yep. There's nothing especially unique about this show given all the context of its setting and it being set in the 40's doesn't seem to affect the stories and the world around Batman that much, other than a simple surface level aesthetic change. It would have been interesting to see how the events of that time affected Gotham and its citizens and how Batman responds to it and try to make Gotham a better place, but it really didn't.
The redesigns, changes, and new takes could have been done in any Batman show and most time periods. Things mostly feel the same as any other Batman. It's not bad, but I expected more.
Ngl, not alota Batman in this Batman show
This version of Jim Corrigan is actually from the "Gotham Central" comics. He was a corrupt cop in Gotham and was more of a foil to Renee Montoya. He also has no relation to the Specter version of Corrigan.
"Batman: TAS" showed us what a Batman show should be like, amazing characters filled with personality, villains that were adapted perfectly and in some cases even improved from the original comics, a timeless looking city and episodes and concepts just oozing with creativity.
Even episodes that weren't great still had a lot of effort put into them.
"Caped crusader" on the other hand is only average when it comes to the writing, this show is an insult to every Batman fan out there.
It just completely misunderstands almost every character it's adapting, the artstyle is incredibly bland and boring and the unnecessary changes are the cherry on top.
This show just feels like another poorly written cashgrab made by people who think simply imitating the look of an absolute classic is enough to nostalgiabait the fans into watching.
But it doesn't work because TAS fans grew up with a show that taught them to think for themselves instead of just consuming.
It's just another example of the deteriorating quality of modern writing
Calling this an insult to Batman fans is a stretch. The show is just okay at best and barely better than Beware the Batman, which is still the worst one.
An insult? Not at all. It is very reminiscent of the Golden Age. What characters does it misunderstand, as well. Clayface was exactly like his early variation, Harley is a reinterpretation of the character that they themselves they created, Penguin is the almost the exact same she's been since The New Batman Adventures, Harvey's duality is represented in a fascinatingly different way compared to his previous roles, etc. They reinterpreted the characters to be different enough, but their essences were still recognizable.
The series could done better with the writing,
The voice actors and animation was great but the emotion feeling wasn't there for me
Exactly, it felt like a pale imitation of what someone thought Batman is like without any context
Completely agree with you ! The characters were butchered with less compelling characterisation and laughable writing in some instances
2:23 True, if everyone is going to act like it's the modern day, why set it in the 40's? At least DO something with the setting/era!
Heaven forbid a Batman series doesn’t just retread the same characters going through the same exact motions every adaptation. I appreciate this show’s “new meets old” approach the the characters, harkening to their Golden Age designs and motivations while giving us some new interpretations.
My immediate reaction to this show is that it's just more character recycling but with diversity and inclusion but that is now our own modern narrative we need to eat it up or be labeled as some -ism or -phobe. It's good to have more characters that may appeal to a wider group of youth but make new characters. History is what it is.
Exactly
Omfg thank you so much
Lol 😢😢
Naa dead ass as soon as I saw race swap Barbara I clicked off the episode and was like I bet she bout to gay and a smug know at all turns out I was right
There are only three ways to improve this series:
1. Hire Paul Dini
2. Hire Alan Burnett
3. Fire JJ Abrams.
And Matt reeves
@@SebastianEnamorado-ql4rhnope
@@jeffreymiller2882 yes
@@jeffreymiller2882 yes he is the one that put all that left wing nonsense message.
@@SebastianEnamorado-ql4rh Really? I just don’t want to believe it because of The Batman but maybe that is true. I personally loved this show but I do have few complaints and I can agree with this video but I’m just wondered who did all the “bad” of it.
Scale 1-10 (5 being average/mediocre) I’d give it a 4. I was very disappointed. The quality of the character models, graphics, movements, facial expressions etc was not even close to as good as BTAS, which came out in the 90s. I don’t like how the show commonly has stuff happening that would never have taken place in the 40s. Harley Quinn kissing Montoya in public, women being in powerful positions like penguin, Montoya and Barbra are just a few examples. Also their need to change characters who have had a certain identity for decades for no good reason. Penguin is a woman?
Alfred is morbidly obese?
Tony zucco is now Tony zitto but gets killed off before he can kill dick Grayson’s parents?
I could go on and on about that stuff, but the thing that was the worst about this show was the insane amount of screen time we had with non Batman characters. It felt like he was on screen less than both Gordon’s, Montoya, dent, and sometimes even guys like flass and bullock. I was going into it expecting a Batman show but it felt like a Barbra Gordon show with Montoya as her sidekick/secondary character.
If you know anything about the production or crew of BTAS, you would know that they are very progressive people. Half of BTAS was subtly hunting at the queer sexualities of some of their villains, or highlighting the abusiveness of capitalism and authority. It's a new world, and we've already seen a bunch of interpretations of characters that are largely the same. I don't mind Penguin being a woman, I don't mind Barbara Gordon being black (especially since Jim Gordon being black in the recent Batman movie,) because this isn't the same universe as every other universe. I welcome the change. Batman is also just as beloved for his cast, one thing I love is when Batman is observed from the perspective of other characters.
@andyroobrick-a-brack9355 They weren't as progressive when BTAS came out, and you can clearly see that represented in the show itself. No, the show didn't pander to homosexuals and it definitely wasn't hammering home an anti capitalist message either.
I absolutely agree about the serious Barbara Gordon problem this show has, it felt like they kept having her and Rene do ALL The work and then Batman just shows up for a last minute action scene.
@@questworldiangreenknight7455Batman is doing the work too.
It just focuses on whoever the episode is about.
Facts
I'll have to see if I agree with with the opinions here. I admit seeing an aged up Barbara is an odd choice but maybe she'll become what Jim is to batman moving forward
Yeah thats what it felt like they were setting up which I really like
She’ll become more
How is that good at all they just didn't want her to have any male influences
I don't think it's odd that they had an aged up Barbara given she started out older when first introduced before she was apparently gradually de-aged & Bruce Timm wanted do differentiate this series from BTAS. So they don't have to go for "she's this Batman's Gordon" (but they could) she can just become Batgirl.
Nah so Bruce tim can enact his Batman x Batgirl fetish without being called out this time.💀
I'm saying what we're all saying: Back into the oven! We can still taste the wet dough.
Speak for yourself
@@FreshPrincex4 I mean, that's why we have a second season on the way.
If you're going to set a show in a different time period, you shouldn't change the demographics of the period because it takes you out of the immersion.
Its time period was never established. Like Batman: The Animated Series, it simply took the aesthetic of 1940s crime noir. That said, you may want to look into police force demographics during segregation times. Hint: not all cops or neighborhoods were white. Either way, a Batman cartoon is not real life. It's a fictional superhero show. Demographics don't matter, but I can't pretend I'm not very happy that people like you are so upset about it.
@@glassjawrules13 Plus, I like to see it as a sort of twist on the Batman formula. And as I've been saying in other comments about this show, it's set in an ALTERNATIVE universe: not everything is going to be 1-to-1 with the main comics, and not everything is gonna be the same in terms of history or the like.
@@Bakuganluver23 Heck, most things in the main comics aren't 1-to-1 with what came prior haha. It's just another take on the Batman universe, which is why the reasons certain folks take issue with this particular show becomes abundantly clear, even when they type up essays to suggest it's a story issue or what have you.
@@glassjawrules13 Except that made it very clear it's set in the 1940s since the creators of the show said so.
@@glassjawrules13 And I think you should take your own advice and look up ANY video footage of the time period and come right back here and tell me the demographics aren't majority white.
*Batman: Caped Crusader* S1 Episodes Ranked
1. 1x08: "Nocturne"
2. 1x05: "The Stress of Her Regard"
3. 1x04: "The Night of the Hunters"
4. 1x03: "Kiss of the Catwoman"
5. 1x02: "...And Be a Villain"
6. 1x10: "Savage Night"
7. 1x09: "The Killer Inside Me"
8. 1x07: "Moving Target"
9. 1x01: "In Treacherous Waters"
10. 1x06: "Night Ride"
My Top 2 is exactly the same.
The bronze medal goes to episode 2 for me.
I liked it. Wasn't perfect, but definitely a solid foundation to build on. And people need to stop crying about stupid sh!t... This is a fake superhero cartoon... Not a history documentary. They can show lesbians and black people without idiots getting offended. Grow up and go outside.
Is the show *explicitly* set during the 1930s-40s, or is it just an alt-history with a 40s aesthetic, similar to Fallout? There is a BIG difference. I don’t think the year was ever mentioned once in the show, and there are a lot of technological anachronisms that didn’t exist or existed shortly after the 40s. This leads me to conclude that the setting isn’t actually the 1940s, or at least not OUR 1940s, but a totally different society with a generally mid-20th century look. Again, this is very similar to how Fallout works.
I loved it. They never said it was the 40s just the vibes were but it was lacking real action Fr
According to both CBR and IMBD, it takes place in the 1940s. Also I think the fashion and the designs are a dead giveaway that's set during those years as well. Also, Fleischer Lois Lane makes an appearance as well,, in her original design.
@@NightRunner2099 if it was in the 40s there wouldn’t be a black police commissioner. Inspired by and actually taking place in are 2 different things. The universe is totally new
@@Thomaskeys-1987 and that's literally the first point here in this video. The show doesn't really utilize the fact that it's set during a totally different era other than a surface level aesthetic change from other Batman adaptations. Would have been interesting to see how Batman reacts to different stuff that affected Gotham's citizen during and post WW2 with him trying to make Gotham a better place.
There's nothing particularly unique about the takes and changes in this show that couldn't have been done in others.
@@NightRunner2099 yeah they played it a lil too safe. Dc scared to be “controversial” in any way that’s negative peep how Batman would never sock any of the female villains even while they in the process of committing mass murder
@@Thomaskeys-1987 "the hammers of justice are unisex" Batman from batman the brave and the bold.
The creators said that the aesthetic is based on the 1940s. This doesn't mean the show itself is taking place during the 1940s we know. It could be a universe where either people didn't move on from said aesthetic and it's the year 2000 or just a different version of the 1940s where only aesthetics stay, not bigotry or the war.
Exactly.Bruh wanted a historic 1v1 depiction of the 1940's.If he wanted an accurate depiction.She should of watch Citizen Kane.
Is 1940s in aesthetic and in style of the story (very golden age style)
I. completely disagree with a lot of your criticisms, but hey can't win them all
nothing he said was wrong or even a hot take
Do you think you could make a video about a Marvel animated universe similar to the Tomorrowverse? Even though it would be messy and go fast, it would be cool to hear about the 3 part Secret Wars finale that ends this universe!
That would be really cool, especially if he did a dcamu/tomorrowverse thing instead of just the tomorrowverse to make it a little longer
@MrVenom1 Oh yeah, I agree with you! It would be cool to like see Quicksilver (or maybe a different speedster) run fast and change the timeline. Seeing stuff like Howard Stark be Iron Man instead of Tony, Captain America would be kept by the government, a World War 3 between Namor and the Atlanteans against T'Challa (although it could be Shuri to make it more accurate) and the Wakandans. Then, to have the first Avengers movie, have them face Thanos' invasion! I could imagine this version of Apokolips War being a (albeit messy) mix between Infinity Gauntlet, Infinity War, and Endgame.
@@jabradococonutfrosting9513 That would be amazing
@MrVenom1 One last thing before I go, Justice Society: World War 2 would be replaced with, "The Invaders: World War 2" featuring Quicksilver as opposed to Flash!
@@jabradococonutfrosting9513 And Iron Man demon in a bottle instead of Batman The Long Halloween or Armor Wars, Armor Wars seems like itd work better with 2 movies but the tone of Demon in a Bottle might be better to match a batman story like the Long Halloween
Wife and I just started it. We love it. Reminds us of back in the day batman.
Thank you! Nobody is talking about how crappy and cheap the animation is. It's like a couple notches above Mr. Birchum level. Just 60 seconds of the best episodes of BTAS feel like they used the entire season animation budget of Caped Crusader.
Also this solidifies how well the truly episodic nature of BTAS worked in making the best episode mini-movie masterpieces. Can you imagine if the three-act laser focus of episodes like 'Heart of Ice' were interrupted by clunky scenes updating us on Harvey Dent's campaign or some drama with Mayor Hill?
Well agree to disagree, but I personally enjoyed it. Since their doing something unquie and different that fit each character persona.
My favorite is what they've done with Harley, making her into what if jigsaw was a therapist.
Just because it's unique doesn't mean it's good. And Harley was a terrible.
@@RyanG0899I liked Harley.
Anyway, the guy above liked the show, therefore, it was good for him.
It’s not rocket science.
@@RyanG0899agreed
I liked it but I am not happing with all the race swapping & gender swapping let the writers not be so lazy & create new & original characters but leave already existing characters alone!!
Who cares at this point,kong as their well written I could care less, just like what The Batman did
@@spideyguy3315except this show wasn’t well written. Alot of the swaps felt very dull.
@@Gotham_bat759 its just a cheap way for subversion and when people complain they can just say well it doesnt matter :) now if it doesnt fucking matter it never would have been changed
Agreed. It feels like Hollywood and comics hate original black characters more than anything. They act like black characters can be nothing but cheap lazy sloppy seconds even tho all the best black characters are OGs like Black Panther, Black Lightning, Static Shock, Spawn etc. They all this evidence that og black characters are beloved and among all the characters I name only 1 has a movie in the last 20 years meanwhile every show and movie is filled with sloppy second characters. It's just laziness at thos point and I'm tired of it gives us Real Black Characters!
As someone who didn't pay much attention to this nor was hyped for it I actually really enjoyed it.
Its clearly inspired by the classic and it shows
And I think the few changes were pretty good.
Black Jim Gordon is nothing new
Montoya was always gay
Penguin to me was always sorta gender neutral so being a female didn't bother me
This version of Harley was interesting... definitely alot more independent.
I rate it a 7/10
Much like how we can have black stage actors in Shakespeare plays, we can have a diverse cast in noir-40s-type setting. It’s not intended to be historically accurate, Batman alone negates that, but to match the general tone they’re going for.
Honestly, people are just exhausted by the race swapping of it all. Don't non white characters deserve to have original representation, instead of settling with scraps?
@@Tali-De I honestly can see it both ways. I personally hold to the belief that race swapping CAN be pulled off if you actually do something interesting with it. My two examples for doing it right and doing it wrong are ironically both from Disney.
The example done right is Tiana from the Princess and the Frog. I don't know where the original story came from aside from the fact its European in origin, but when the writers made Tiana the titular princess, they didn't just slap a black woman into a European Kingdom and call it a day, they fleshed out an entire setting in Louisiana during the Roaring 20s to craft a story about a black princess and the challenges she had to face during those times (even if it was slightly watered down).
As for the example done wrong...... I think we all know who that is. Under the sea! That's where the Horrors be. Down where it's wetter, it's not that better, take it from me!
Back to the topic, Live Action Ariel embodies everything wrong with race swapping and the living embodiment of your point. Why is it every other live action princess gets an actress who actually looks like her (sometimes), and yet the role of Ariel goes to a black woman because she can sing? Something doesn't add up. Scratch that, a LOT of things don't add up. A lot of the movie feels like a corporate mandate. I mean Eric isn't even the biological heir to the throne, he's adopted in order to explain why his mother is black (kind of like how Fox used the adoption excuse to justify a black Human Torch, which everyone rightly bashed). There are also Ariel's sisters who are so many different ethnicities that Triton either pulled a Zeus or Poseidon and slept with a lot of Mermaids, or Ariel's mom was a hoe. My greatest complaint with the race swapping was that they never did anything genuine with the change. The Original Little Mermaid didn't even have a name, so they could have made a black Little Mermaid her own unique take on the classic character. They could have tailored the story to a more Caribbean or African setting to justify the casting choice and build up from there. But no, instead we got a crappy rehash of the original movie. That is why that movie is such a big failure, because it used race as a bait to lure people in, only for them to come out disappointed.
So, yeah, as you pointed out people are exhausted and I am among one of them. Not because I hate the concept with a passion, but because it has been poorly done so many times that Hollywood clearly shows that they have no idea how to pull the idea off. I honestly think that race swapping in adaptations along with Original Characters are equally valid forms of representation, but both have their own pitfalls, usually in the same areas like tokenism or being unintentionally offensive. I think the reason the OC route feels like the better solution is because at least if that character fails, it won't drag down an already established character with it.
The race swapping is dumb
not really, cause its not done for any good reason than tokenism and agenda pushing for filling a quota hence why its always the same group that gets race swapped, gender bent and not the reverse
its disingenuous
Honestly the Gordon's being race swapped surprised me simply cause the setting the shows set in, but it doesn't bother me non, I see it like he's nick fury, you can have SLJ Fury or the pre mcu fury doesn't make a difference who's in position long as you don't stereotype them
Batman the Animated series was set during the mid to late 90's. That universe just happened to have maintained the art deco look of the 30's and 40's. I assumed watching this that the same thing was happening in this series. While they don't tell us specifically, I don't think this is actually set during the 1920s. I think that this world simply kept the 1920s aesthetic into whatever decade it is. No evidence to support this, was just my belief based off the previous work.
I thought the show was a 3/10. Batman felt like a side character to Renee and Barbara. I don't understand why they set this in the 1940s they didn't really play with that. Harley Quinn was and Catwoman were the worst thing here in my opinion. Hamish did a good job with Batman/Bruce Wayne. The Supernatural aspect worked here like I thought it would as Batman and Supernatural mysteries are made for each other. It allows him to be at his finest as a warrior and a super genius polymathic intellectual while keeping him close to his roots as the world's greatest detective. With that being said I have been very disappointed with Matt Reeves Batman in both animation and Live-action.
A lot of the time I felt like Batman sounded constipated lol
They had a proud and open lesbian couple and a black Police Commissioner in a story that takes place in the 1940s?!?!?!?!?! *How fictional is this?!?!?!?!?!?!* I'm not homophobic or racist, believe me I'm not. But characters have to match the setting of the story!!!!
It has gone woke
@@whaaii I knew the woke crowd would come sooner or later. And I ain't gonna stop y'all this time around.
@@Christian_H3rnand3z what?
@@whaaii You know, someone or some people just come around and say that something is "woke."
This isn’t the 40s. It’s just using the aesthetic. Think like in pre-war Fallout with it being set in the 2000s but with the retrofuturistic aesthetic that was popular in 50s. It’s not a big deal.
The series actually takes place not in the 1940’s but in the 1930’s before world war 2
No it doesn't
@@dionlackey798 yeah it does. The series it said the same year as Batman’s first appearance, which is the late 1930s just before World War II. Explain why World War II is never mentioned, it hasn’t happened yet. but that’s only addressing one of the criticisms of the show.
@@warrenrhinerson6373 no it doesn't. It doesn't take place the year Batman was created, it specifically stated that it takes place in the 40's.
@@dionlackey798Where is that stated?
I've seen how people say the show is either the best or the worst of batman. For me, it was a nice watch.
I do see the vision and there is some great potential that just hasn't been pushed in yet. If there is a second season. I do think that it would improve on my issues, as it has finished establishing the universe and the characters to how we know them.
The benefit of being a new universe, or even considered an Elseworld, is how different it can allow itself to be in how it interprets the characters. Because if they were only ever going to do what came before what would even be the point?
And it's not the first time DC has used the setting of the 30's-40's without adhering to the attitudes towards sexuality. DC's Bombshells book set in World War II had a lot of open same-sex relations and didn't often focus on race. The only times those came up was with the villains, many of whom had been allied with the Nazis or were used to represent the prejudices of the times.
I mean my ancestors had a black shief run them out of town after my great many times grandfather killed a black man try to rape his daughter.... This was 200 years ago in the south... So if their were black shiefs in the the south back then... Why can't their be a black cominsoner up north in the 1940s...?
It feels weird to get hung up on different social norms in the 40s. Neither did Ghosts or Batman exist during the time either but it is part of the fictional world. The point is that the time period adds a really cool gothic and noir element to the show that actually, in my opinion, comes through really well.
My god just got done w the onomatopoeia ep. first what a fucking waste of a good villain and 2nd the stupidiest plot hole: barbara is a public defender...so wtf the guy who put the hit on her has money to put a hit on her but not enough to pay for a lawyer who is not a public defender?!!
I luv how the Harvey side is the acid side & Two-face is the unburned side
Bro switched up the title so fast once he read the comments lol
lol what was the old title?
@@questworldiangreenknight7455 It was like "Caped Crusader is not good" lol
@@TheFilmFanatic_Handle I honestly don’t see why he should switch up the title, Caped Crusader was barely mediocre, the only episode that genuinely had me intrigued was The Nocturna episode as that had mood and story had some actually interesting villains, not to mention Batman finally being useful in his own show!
Hard agree. Should’ve kept original title. Despite all the changes the show made, it still didn’t feel fresh and like it gave me something new or a better version of something familiar.
I don't see the issue with a female Penguin tbh. The comics have already had a female Ventriloquist, a female Clayface, two female Jokers, and a female Two-Face.
Those are what we call DERIVATIVES. Meaning they exist alongside their original counterpart and have their OWN names and notives and are effectivelt original character in their own right.
This version of penguin is literally just a gender swap...even the name points that out...OswaldA...seriously? They didnt even TRY💀
BTAS also had a derivative of Calendar man called Calendar Girl...although she was never named that in the show itself. But even then she had her own motives and backstory and was only similar in motif. Her design was also completelt different so effectively she was also and original character
@@no.1spidey-fan182 Fair enough.
Worst adaptation of the penguin is straight up wrong this is like, the only version of the penguin other than 2004s thats actually an interesting character
The penguin show is good
But I gotta respect the Batman 2004
Appreciation
Still my personal favourite batman adaption
I am at episode 5 right now and i kind of like it. I love the 1940s set but I do agree that they haven't did much with the setting and i love the villains. However the animation looks too much like a direct-to-video DC Animated movie divided in more episodes and idon't like that much. I hope next seasons can improve that.
Episodes 8 and 5 were my favorites
I got halfway through the first episode before I had to stop and look up a review lol
You didn't even get to the episode where batman fought a ghost or the introduction of two face!?
I am asian... I dont know why they made harley asain
The reason it took so long to come out was not because of work done on the show but because Warner wanted to write it off for a tax exemption. It was basically being saved but then it also took some time to find somewhere that wanted the show, hence why it was on Amazon
Great review man and honestly for me I think this show was good but not as good as Batman animated series obviously but way better then I thought it was going to be, but overall though this show was fine at best not the worse but just fine at best.
I thought the show was okay but i am dissapointed with how two-face was handled. The way they were going with a redeamable two-face, i was thinking that would be a good way to tie in Jason. In some iterations, Jason's dad was killed by two-face. So, having Jason be someone that forgives two-face would show some great and heartwarming character development for Harvey's rehabilitation and Jason calming down his stance on criminals. Maybe they've already done something like with Jason somewhere in the comics but i would have liked to see it on screen. ( I know the robins and bat kids are unlikely to show up in this series but i just thought it would be an interesting storyline to do sometime )
It's not a weird take.
It's the ORIGINAL take.
Just a few modern additions (like Quinzel), but its almost entirely original run 1939 batman.
*visible joy*
I think I like Hamish Linklater’s Bruce Wayne voice more than the Batman Voice. If only he would modulate his Bruce Wayne voice and maybe make it deeper and stern it would sound better. I feel like his Batman Voice is a bit too raspy and more like Christian Bale’s Batman Voice.
It’s no BTAS by any means, but I like it well enough.
I actually didn't think I would like the series kind of wasn't sure about it, but after watching it it made me very interested. The stories were similar to how i envision how these people would act. Im happy Barbara wasn't a teenager medling in the adult affairs. Actually, this made the connection of Harley being a psychologist more realistic. Even though as a black person I understand the racial issues in the 40s . I think they tried to change our reality to a multicultural reality that is now but set in the 40s and not using all the war, segregation, and communism scare is pushed down. The original cartoon didn't discuss any social issues.
To me all eps are between 7 to 9 out of 10, bro that ain't average in my book, not even close. I Wanted noir crime investigative batman, I got noir golden age batman, to me was a win by all means.
It’s better than Xmen 97
Personally I really liked it, I actually liked the animation I just wished we actually got more batman
In my humble opinion I think the new show Batman caped crusader is a pretty good show
This show was never going to be Batman the animated series because it represents a completely different era of Batman, although there are some instances where certain characters still try to appeal to a more modern audience and that’s where the problems of this show start to surface.
Sorry for the mini essay
I love how this series featured a serial killer who could magically change his face, a ghost, and a vampire, but seeing lesbians in the 40’s is what made it unrealistic? Minus a few changes this is pretty much Golden Age Batman and I feel you were expecting modern day Batman. Golden Age Batman is a killer. That should’ve stayed. If we’re going to go with the no kill rule, then just make it modern day
Lesbian homosexuality in the 40s isn't unrealistic, it’s the people’s nonexistent reactions towards them being openly affectionate with each other in public that’s not realistic.
Me personally, it comes across as erasure/or turning a blind eye towards the real suffering homosexuals (and “non-whites”) had to endure during this time period - it also weakens the more serious atmosphere they were going for(?), but again, that’s just my opinion.
Are uploaders like you clickbaiting us? How is that everyone nowadays feels like tearing down anything creative. UA-cam and podcast culture is pond scum right now. UA-cam used be unique things you won't find on the telly. Now its all a thumbnail of a current piece of pop culture or news juxtaposed with a weird looking mugshot of the uploader pulling a face. I hate that. It is posting for the sake of posting and everything is reduced to a numbers game. Thats crazy.
The show was indeed great. While updating the cast, I found it not suffering from shove-down-the-throat wokeism. I loved the it wasn't wall-to-wall action and really played out like neo-noir thrillers ending with crisp climaxes.
Most importantly, the show spend time showcasing Batman's true skills - being a detective.
Great first season. Bruce Timm has already given us a bombastic version. Let us let him give us the sombre and grimy version. A true classic era film like animation.
i saved this entire series and waited so that i could binge it while on a 7 hour flight and i only was able to get thru like 3 1/2 episodes. i was not impressed especially with all the hype surrounding it
Also we got a little Easter egg with Waylon jones earlier in nocturna. I think the stronger episodes are the ones with Batman dealing with ether children or the corruption of Gotham. Stepping up within the city gets you hurt or twisted in some way. I did want Harvey to have a different voice but maybe that’s just me.
The biggest issue the show had was how short the show was. It has so much potential and yet didnt truly get there. I hope the budget and length get better in season 2
Also.... its not a period piece? It just uses the 1940 aesthetic its not meant to be an accurate portrayal of the time period
Thank you for saying that! I was looking for someone saying the period piece thing wasn't accurate
This show was bad except for Clayface and Harley Quinn. If you're going to put this drastic a take onto a well-established character that is existed for centuries, look for other characters to use instead of drastically altering once that already exists; unless they make sense. Clayface is an exception & perfect example of this type of thing done right due to the fact that him essentially being a composite character of 3 of the 4 main Clayfaces definitely seems like it could have been inspired by the Clayface Mudpack story, actually he should have been the one to be turned into a female instead of Oswald to make it the whole Pack. Penguinia is the perfect example of the horrible take on this due to the fact that she could have just been Sophia Falcone
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(Not using the dceu as a base for the mashup tho 🙏)
+1
I would like to see a Robin in this series but it’s not going to happen because of the 1940’s to 1950’s. During that time probation kicked in and we were trying to get the kids out of dangerous jobs like the coal mine and chimney sweepers. If Batman did had a child sidekick it will not making him look good because it’s putting kids in one of the most dangerous situations.
A big meh. This is shoe should be called. Bat friends and Batman.
Also Firebug and Firefly are different characters with a similar theme in the comics
There weren't any superheroes during the 1940's either. lol You people are so fragile. Here's a hint, Batman doesn't take place in our world.
It's also not meant to be a completely fictional world, it is meant to be based on our world. An example of a Batman in a completely fictional world would be The Batman of Zur-En-Arrh.
I don't think the show is that bad. I enjoyed every episode except 1st episode
I’m rewatching because I feel the first 4 episodes were setting up something that the final 6 episodes didn’t quite deliver.
That said: I loved episodes 2, 5 and 8 especially for what they did to the villains in these episodes.
Episode 8 in particular (and episode 6 in a different way) did a great job in humanizing Batman and his dynamic with Nocturna was very interesting.
I hope they expand on it in Season 2. Maybe add Scarecrow to the mix and adapt “mistress of fear” but with Natalia Knight instead of Becka Albright.
The rewatch confirmed my impressions:
I still love episodes 2, 5 and especially 8. Episodes 3 and 6 were a lot of fun too, but episodes 1-4 were setting up quite a few things that didn’t had satisfying payoffs:
- Episode 2 sets up a conflict between Montoya and Batman and by episode 7 it’s like this conflict never existed.
- Episode 4 puts Flass and Bullock in charge of the Anti-Batman task force. In episode 5 we see them briefly trying to capture Batman, but the rest of it is focused on Harley Quinn.
- Episodes 6 and 8 focus on stories that don’t involve the cops (no complaints here. Both great episodes in their own way).
- Episode 7 ignores the task force plot line (I wish the criminal who put the hit on “Gordon” was someone established early on in the season + The conflict between Jim and Barbara has an interesting conclusion but it doesn’t go anywhere after that. I wish it had consequences on the way Barbara sees her work and Gotham as a whole).
Maybe because of the events on episode 4 Gordon is no longer interested in hunting Batman down, but I don’t think that applies to Montoya. I wish the show had addressed where she stands on the Batman issue more often.
Then on episodes 9 & 10 the whole task force thing is over because the Mayor won the election and pretty much doesn’t care anymore.
I think the show would have benefited from having Harvey win the election and delay his descent into Madness for a climatic season 2. The way they dealt with Harvey felt very rushed to me. And I can’t believe the end he got. Too rushed and ended too soon.
Nar. Bad take this was inovative and fresh. It also looks incredible.
It's different and we finally get something different and ofc people complain... It was good wait for season 2
Its because it is mid af and the execution of their character development is all alright at best.
I mean they made Batman look really bad in this when he is in it at all....
Something can be different and still be executed badly. If I order a medium-rare steak but they serve me, indeed, a medium-rare steak, but the seasoning is off and the meat is all dry and burnt in several points, I'm not gonna say "Well, at least my want for a medium-rare steak has been fullfilled", I'm gonna say "Wow, this is bad and my want for a medium-rare steak is still unfulfilled".
That clay face was the og one before they made him into what he was today
I honestly like it for what it was but I also feel it has a different feeling compared to the trailer maybe it was the hype but that’s just my perspective.
I didnt really set my expectations high, i just thought id be getting a batman show and thats what I got, and it was pretty good lol
I feel like everyone complaining about this show must have not watched the 90s animated show .also people complaining about it being set in the 40s but it not feeling like the 40s are absolutely wrong Imo . The clothes ,the cars , and the technology are all very much of the time . Unless you want everyone in the show to be really sexist and racist to black people and women in the show . which is just kinda weird to want in a cartoon for kids lol.
Here we go again smh. The first 10 episodes of this season Batman isn’t it. And we’ve been getting that with a bunch of that shows the last 10 years. Wouldn’t it be good for the first season and then expand on more characters in the following seasons?
@@KamiAnimeS1agreed
I mean it’s NOT “for kids” but I agree it’s a weird desire it’s like sexist and racist people want to vicariously live out “the good old days” through the show.
Well,older people thats knows this animation style back in the day,likes this animation style,those were the good ole days...........😅😂
anyone else grew to like female penguin? I lowkey was like what?… then was like she’s actually dope and scary to kill her own son
Yeah. I hope we get more of her in season 2.
Batman should’ve gone after Thorne first leaving penguin operation stronger unintentionally. She’s way more interesting.
Penguin did worse than THAT and he's a better character with better motivation than his female counterpart “Oswalda”
Nall I didn’t like it but we will see how it goes.
Not a fan of the gender-swapping penguin and this version of Harley Quinn is just Hugo Strange (also tired of seeing Harley again and again same thing with Catwoman I don’t even consider her a villain). I also agree with the whole period take.
Clayface was my favorite part of the series I felt like the series should’ve been focused on Batman and Clayface.
This Harley and Strange’s motives are completely different.
The only thing she has in common with him is: They both profiled Batman for the police.
Finally! Someone else on my page! I found this show aggressively mediocre for how long we were waiting for it! I am the biggest Batman fan I know and this was the least invested I've been in a project centred around the character from a minute! Would've loved it if it had a ambiance and aesthetics of L.A. Noire with the animation of Max Fleischer's Superman catoon or Batman Year One (2011)! Honestly, I'd love if DC -- or whoever -- converted the Telltale game into a series and then continued from that. On an island maybe, but just loved seeing something different with that adaptation!
It’s interesting there are people who really love it, and people who think it’s mid, and something is telling me it’s an age thing