7016 Stick Welding Open Root
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6010 and 7010 downhill has been the traditional way of welding pipe under API 1104 for many years.
But higher strength pipe is being used now that requires low hydrogen electrodes to be used for root, fill, and cap passes.
7016 is a low hydrogen electrode and is similar to 7018 but has less iron powder which makes it slightly easier for open root welds.
In this video, my friend Andrew Cardin shows his technique and settings for welding an open root using 7016 low hydrogen rod.
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“What tie-in?” 🤣 that’s one hell of a welder. Anyone would be more than happy to have him on payroll. Keep burnin-n-earnin! 👊🏻
Hey Jody this takes me back to being a young welder back in the early 70,s, this was a procedure that I cut my teeth on, it was very common in the oil industry when I worked in the rig yards here in Scotland building jackets and deck modules for the North Sea, it was so good to see a young man using the same technique and discipline that I used for about 20+ years! coming now to the end of my career after nearly 50 years welding mainly in the oil, gas and nuclear industries I thought this technique was dead and gone so it was good to see it’s coming back as a “new” procedure!! This is why your channel is easily the best on UA-cam you cover everything!
Weaver Cattle Company the E7016 over here in the UK is still a relatively cheap rod and it’s probably the “go to” rod here for most serious hobbyists, in industry here now speed is also the priority with most manufacturers preferring to use dual shield Mig or where size allows, bare wire Mig for rooting followed by dual shield Mig for hot pass and maybe two or three fillers followed by sub-arc using 3.25 or 4mm SD3 or SD3 .5 moly, material dependent, for heavy deposition. I remember in the 70’s working on ball valves for the Siberian pipeline and we rooted downhill or stoveing as we called it using fleetweld 5’s. Guess times have changed and nowadays money is king! Thanks for the comment it was very interesting to read.
@@deekthefirst You might be interested Derek, Jones construction recently did a new seawater injection pipeline down here at Wytch Farm, Tig root, orbital mig fill/cap. Vantage 400's on the back of a caterpillar tracked vehicle with a hiab dropping a habitat/tent over each joint...
I worked in all the Scottish rig yards numerous times, always 6G or 6GR tests and sometimes you had to do both. Kishorn yard I had 6G and 6GR in stick, Inner shiled and dual shield which was 20p per hour per coding and it mounted up to a good amount of money back in the day as we were doing 7 twelve hour shifts. The coding money alone equalled what some people got for a wage.
I’m a union boilermaker and we have a test that’s a 7018 all the way open route test on a 2 1/2” 3/8 wall tube. It’s a very hard test but you get the hang of it. You guys have some great techniques that will definitely help me next time I do my test update!
Goes to show ,after a lifetime on the pipeline , something to be learned every day even at my age ! Thanks guys . Matt
I did my 6G test with 7018 open root and hated every minute of it, but I passed, I prefer 6010 but understand the need for low/hy roots in certain applications. Good job you guys.
You may want to try Kobelco LB-52U electrodes for this kind of job. The soviets welded all their pipelines with these.
I’ve attempted running a root with 7016 a couple times, amazing how easy he makes it look!
Ive used 3/32 9018 H4 DCEN root and switch polarity for fill and cap and 309 L16 DCEP open root fill n cap. Such tricky welds to do!!lol
Filarc 56s root, pretty much the standard 7016 root this side of the pond... Nice to see you guys getting some arc time on a 7016. Nice rod to use for sure.
Jody, get Jonathan to give you some of the vac-pac filarc 56 I sent him over Christmas... See how you get on with them.
Elga P47 is another common 7016 used by quite a few firms I've worked for too, although 56S are a better one for a root imho, p47 always seem to carry more slag
Filarc 36D is still a well liked rod in Scandinavia. Personali I don't care if it's a Filarc 36D or Esab 53.05 or Bhöler Fox. The all weld but for camping I like runig Phoenix special D and esab 53.00 special. They have a glass like slag.
7016 is the fist electrod all my Millrights apprentices have to pass on.
I wish I could have seen this video yesterday. I took a open butt 6g with 7016. It passed but this would of helped. 👍🏼keep up the good content.
Very nice tutorial. Goes well with the hydrogen discussion about cellulose rods.
thanks Bob
its a pleasure to see real masters doing what they love. i love it.
Hi,
Thats the position I usually use when doing repairs on my steel boat, when standing on the ground welding up...... I often use a 6010 root with negative on the stinger, and then the 7018-1 on top with positive electrode. I believe this gives a bit more elastic weld needed . Thanks for your time teaching us to make these experiments .... sometimes we get it right big smile :-)
Looking forward to seeing future clips on this process.
We dont use 6010 rods here in South Australia, 7016 is the common rod and is used to test for welders certification on pipe.
I am currently practicing for this test.
Thank you Jody this is very helpful !
william lockyer good luck bill. I recently completed my tix 3E,4&7 which pretty much covers all the welding we do. Jam that rod in tight mate and take your time. There is more than enough time on test day so don’t rush it and try not to long arc as porosity is a bitch to repair. Sing out if you want to use my numbers “amp settings”etc. doing 3E first really set me up for the pipe tests as you will be all over the electrode control
WIA 16TC 2.5mm , way to go
@@banjosambar How are ya mate, I'm about to do the 3e exam in a week's time. The only test piece doing my head in is the 4g. I'm still undecided on the polarity and just the overall setup. I'm using 7016's, 2.5 gaps,s, and roughly 2.5 root face. 75 amps. what settings did you use mate?
How did you end up going on your 3e test? any tips please/ amps, polarity gaps. Thanks
@@rypod28 hey mate, for my 4g overhead plate I ran same gap and land as you. Dc polarity, root pass 63-65amps, hot pass 93, fill passes 90 and down to 85 amps for the cap, 4 stringers for me, hope it helps mate
Great video, Jody. I'm not familiar with 7016 in the least, so I learned something. 👍
Awesome video guys! I always learn something here! Thank you!
I've seen you root with 7018 and it's impressive 👍 but the 7016 are so easy to root with . There are two different types though you want the ones with the black glossy slag known as specials. You can run the 2.5 as low as 55amp and 3.2 90amps no sweat . Go dcen 68-75 amp and listen to the noise coming out the back of the plate and just apply a little pressure . You will love them on a side note restarting can be a pain but just pinch the end of the rod . I like the orlinkeon ones
Thank you Jody and Andrew.
Thanks for your time guys. 👋🏻
Thanks for all your content! Just ordered a tig finger set to support you
Thanks from the UK Jody, watched all your stick videos and learned a lot. Keep 'em coming.......
I love the attitudes of these two. Gosh I want to make full time money with my everlast welders. Getting there ... getting there.
Two 250mm long piece of 6x60 mm flatstock, 30° bevel 1-1,2 mm land, 1,8-2,2 mm gap, vertical up, root with 2,5mm 7018-1 preheated DCEP 57-63 amps, and fill/cap with 2,5/3,2mm 6013 DCEN 75/85 amps. One coupon out of six, to make right in order to be a welder in Hungary. Sorry fo the nomanonthemoon system.
Love your work Maan, I learn a lot from you.
Thank you for all the knowledge that you share Jody.
I had a interview with Centuries Group, cool to see him work there!
I have learned so much from your videos over the years. Keep up the great work!
weird rod... the iron workers at my job were using it today, figured i'd look it up. Never seen it used before.
I concur with DCEN with this electrode. DCEP Is sticky and less control... I also found the ampage to be super sensitive on a 7016.. Very small sweet spot..
Hi Jody great video. Reminds me of the ABS test where you do a 6g sch 80 pipe using 7018 all the way few welders passed this test.
Reminds me of when i did my 6g heavy pipe and plate years ago, the rods were supercito's, dc positive rod, grinding back all the time, feathering the edge. Don't think i could do it now.
Andrew is good on camera too.
cool and great video
thanks
God bless weldingtipsandtricks
Hey mate, Always enjoy watching your videos, I've noticed in the USA you guys tend to favour 7018 Rods where as in Australia TC16 (7016) seem to be alot more popular than 7018. Like to see more 7016. cheers mate keep up the good stuff.
Being an exclusively DH welder this process makes no sense but works if you do exactly as you all have described.
Now just need to find some pipe in SW Florida to weld...
Nice. Good to stay up on advancements. Look forward to next vid
Outstanding & precise!
Great video, looking forward to the next one!
Awesome video. I'm ready for the next one.
Great job guys!!
Thank You JD
Great tutorial guys.
another great video! thanks for what you are doing here!
Great video and great information! Thanks guys!
If using the Lincoln 16p rod, watch for this mysterious porosity that can occur. Does not show up on the inside or out, but in the middle of the bead....kobleco rods seem to be a waaaay better choice
L. P. I completed my structural plate and pipe tickets recently here in oz and we used kobelco electrodes for the tests. the mysterious porosity I found was caused by long arcing especially on stop/starts. We only use WIA 16tc electrodes at work which I find to be a lot easier to use. It’s great to see some controlled hydrogen electrode open root welding as over here we don’t use 6010 often if ever and always weld uphill.
Look at that welding shield lol
If you weld outside with the bright sun behind you, you’ll wish you had a pancake hood.
"Wow guys real nice; it's always great to challenge new dimensions keep the heat
looks like he flinched at 2:44 lol
There are to types of this rod you want specials they're the ones with the black shiny flux looks like glass
Amazing inside reinforcement. Plus the slag flow inside. Really wets out on the weld. Nothing like 6010. Rutile?
12" branch and bellhole with 3/32 7016 & 3/32 7018 is a pipeliner test for fabrication...i do believe it is a Conoco Phillips procedure, not so much on the mainline, but this is a LoHy pipeliner fabrication test going around these days.
Awesome info as usual!
This almost looks easier to control than 6010. Is that the case or is it just the skill of the welder that makes it look that way?
That's a cool rod, but I'll stick to 6011 and 7018 AC.
Can we get a video to help with a job I recently did? working tig aluminum from inside a 3 way corner, it was about an inch of weld in each direction, getting into the corner was my major problem
Hey I have some valuable information about welding a perfect 3/4 stacked bead with flux core on a part that is 14ft in diameter, with a bug-o system if this is helpful for any large production shops
Pretty neat stuff, basically "machine-welding" but on thick metals (1.5 inch thick by 1 inch fillet weld, preheat and everything, you can even see the moisture on the preheat being driven away
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Can I weld root in ovel motion begin to end?
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Whats the differens between 7016 and 7018? Why don't do it all with 7018?
wanna know +1
procedure specifies 7016 for root. dont know why
You should have more views on your 7018 open root.
7016 and 7018 are the same EXCEPT for the addition of iron powder to the flux coating on 7018. Both are Potassium based fluxes.
@@andycardin4986 so it's faster with 7018? More deposit?
How about that tie in hahaha nice guys ,stick is not dead !
Very nice
I work for NEUCO in MA
Yes yes yes yes yes best rod of all time they will run supper low amps in thin stuff dcen
Nice! thanks for this upload. amazing.
2.5mm will run at 55amps on thinner steel
I took a welding course a couple of years ago and that's exactly how we did root passes with 7018. I'm from Europe BTW :D I was using smaller electrodes and could practice a lot of starts and stops like that. As for welding DCEP 7016. Could it be that they call for it to not have to swap leads to fill and cap the same joint with 7018?
Where can i buy these rods? I have a test coming up in a couple weeks and would like to practice before i go test.
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Watching in Alabama
What electrode pole??
Could you do a video of 6010 3f verticle down on a t-joint? I'm a student whose doing this so it would be greatly appreciated!
Edit: Electrode could be 3/32
Excellent Thank you!
great video guys. we really need to talk about that mask/helmet.
we will definitely do that
I’ve noticed these becoming popular online, what’s going on?
Its called a pancake hood and it's pretty standard for pipeline welding.
jpftwson54 cool don’t know much about pipeline thanks for the info.
@@weldingtipsandtricks yep, I'm in Australia, never worked in oil and gas here so don't know whether we use them or not, but see pancake hoods in the US stuff a lot and really would like to know more about them, advantages and disadvantages, they don't look like they protect your face that well.
Hey Jodie have a question for you. When you’re welding on a pipe do you have to clean the slag off from the inside. And if so how do you guys do in the piper. When they are 30 or 40 feet long. however long it is in the field because I just don’t know. Ps love the videos. I have become a much better welder just from watching your videos
yeah, that been bugging me too. so I googled it and a forum they said something about some put a pig in it. I think that would be a remote controlled kind of thing but I don't know. but I would also think you would not want slag in a fuel or oil pipeline when it's in use. as another response on that forum was that it gets filtered out later.
That would be really cool to see some robot that shoots down one of those tubes and cleans off the slag. Yeah I have to go online and check that out and see what they look like.
Biship c Has a lot to do with what application the pipe is being used for and what code and or specification the job applies to. Best case is to tig weld the root and hot pass. I understand you’re talking about being out on the field but it just usually boils down to application and code Requirements.
highkicker11 A big reason why they don’t want slag left from a root pass is because in time it will break down and mess up components downstream.
Very cool, thanks for sharing.
Do you see 7016 having a place in the fabricator's rod arsenal though, or would there be no benefits? Thanks.
Awesome thank you.
so no more 6010 on pipeline or is that just what that job calls for??
Hey, man. I have a long question for you. We are a production company that manufactures steel and aluminum traillers for botanical nurserys and we
mig weld (Steel) 3" Sch. 40 pipe to 3/8" x 4" flatbar, with the flatbar blinding the end of the pipe. (With the pipe being 10"-16" long) Alot of force is usually applied on these joints in a rocking motion and we are reconsidering the patterns and settings to use on this kind of joint. We only weld all the way around the outside of the pipe to the perpindicular, "blinding" flatbar. Do you have any suggestions for this kind of weld/situation?
Passed my 3G & 4G tests thanks to you and ChuckE2019!
Thanks a million!
after 4 crater holes you are done they pull your papers go find a new job feathering is very important with all rods !!
when you have made hundreds of these. and being good at it. no grindings needed at all. of course it happens. but rarely :)
Mr please turtorial stick welding vertikal up please
Anggoro CH check his channel, it’s probably been uploaded years ago
Sar, you use blue Glass number
Or best welding blue Glass
I am waiting for your reply
Where did Andrew attending welding school?
Blackstone Valley Tech High School
Wow
Well done Tnks
Excelente
Why 7016 and not 7018 ...?
whats going on with the audio on this video
Have you Esab stick welding machine?Everlast machines are now sold in Finland.Any experiences in class 250 amper stick inverter?
You want a 250a stick machine at a good price, buy Paton (Ukraine)
Can you tell how to restart with out feathering it in. My teacher won't let me use a grinder?
use a file or a slag rack aka old power hacksaw blade to feather your stops and starts, if he dose not let you feather lo hydrogen stops and starts you may want to go to a different school.
if your using 6010 or 8010 then thats achievable buy leaving a slight key hole when you stop.
If you're doing lowhy roots and your "teacher" wont let you feather stop/starts, ... then youd be better off finding a better person to learn from, as your "teacher" doesnt know what theyre doing
@@MRTYREMULISHA thanks. I figured it out.
@@kf8575 thanks for the info.
@@FCP32 Good to see, i passed my lo hy test 7016 2g and 5g on std wall pipe.
It took me two go's to pass but the first one i busted was a defect in the cap pass on the 5g.
About dam time
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What's with that style of helmet. ????
That was different
Do u need a machine with a high OCV to run 7016s
I dont think so. its very much like a 7018
@@weldingtipsandtricks thanks appreciate the reply :)
Just need enough voltage to hold a real tight short arc, literally short enough for the flux on the rod to be scuffing the preps
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that will be the end of the old pipeliner?
Jorge Perez naaaaah, way to slow, and not “as good”. Some bone head 23 yr old engineer will try, again, to implement this in-service procedure to mainline welding and fail,again. Have been taking this test for 12 yrs now and have only used it for live work. One company started to mainline with it, but came to senses at the “meeting of the minds “ that’s what 0% field experience gets us nowadays
No need for lowHy roots on pipelines, they're only standard wall low pressure, doesnt warrant high spec welds like lowHy or tig root.
This is more for heavywall, high pressure, or butts under constraint
Euro style
Kobelco LB 52 3.2MM RODS?
Lincoln Pipeliner 7016 2.5mm
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Knowledgeable and talented. But he clearly doesn’t charge enough. Jody, give him a couple hundred so he can go buy a helmet. Lol 😂