Yeah shame but unfortunately he doesn't have the capacity to use them! Seplos and other batteries sitting there doing nothing. Looking at the garage he might have to do an off-grid warehouse garage channel soon! 😂 One thing Prowse did well was having every server rack and power station he had hooked up for long term testings! And MWh's of power generation! I should add that in Australia you can only feed 10kw maximum into the grid. As Andy is probably still under he's original solar contract it's just not going to change soon, nor is it worth it!
Heya, nice test again. yes for people how are not so handy and can't bild there batteries themselfs these batterie wall's are just perfect. so very nice of you to test this kind of battteries.
The available equipment in the last couple years is mind boggling! From raw cells to wall units readily available without major delays and poor quality 👍 Thanks Andy 😊
I also feel like we have now so many choices. And good choices. While 3 years ago it was always hit and miss, especially with batteries. Now, we see a very consistent quality and performance.
Hello, Andy, Thank you for the review, I was just at the finish line of my order when your video showed up so my original 5% discount code was quickly replaced 😁 Of course I already bought you a beer 🙂 Please continue making these videos, i've learnt much from you in the last year. Greetings from Hungary! Balazs
I love your humor, Andy, as well as your show-off off-Grid Garage. In fact, I'm Off-grid not in a Garage but living on an ocean-going Sailboat. In your UA-cam programs, one thing I learned that is the BMS are not reliable up to the tasks needed for the use. In my case, I have stayed with 4 x 215 amp AGM batteries and 720 watts of solar power. My question is what is the best compo of 12-volt safe lithium batteries and BMS. The fear I have, the BMS system will fail at the wrong time and leave me and my boat without power with a failed battery and BMS system. I'm more than happy to pay for your consulting advice as to what brands of 12-volt Batteries totaling 800 amps with a matching BMS to upgrade my boat system. I look forward to hearing from you.
Thank you for your feedback, John. 4x 215Ah AGM batteries will give you only 4x 105Ah of usable capacity. So using now 4x 200Ah lithium is a massive upgrade in terms of capacity because you can now use almost all the 800Ah! I would not be concerned about a BMS failing once they are setup correctly. As you may know, I'm testing these products and drive these things in the wrong direction on purpose to see if they fail, when and how safe they still are... Especially in your case, you will have 4x 200Ah lithium batteries in parallel. Even if one fails, you have redundancy. Big benefit and the reason I went with three banks in parallel as well. So, any 200Ah LiFePO4 with BMS will do the trick for you. I would, however recommend a Bluetooth option for your batteries so you can keep an eye on the cells and also set them BSM up as you need them.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Thank you, Andy, for the Battery/BMS compatibility assurance. I use Bluetooth now with my solar Victron controller and iPhone, it is wonderful tech. Question, what battery/is compatible or battery inbuilt BMS? Would you recommend, as a sailboat moves around a lot in heavy weather and seas? Take note, I don't want or think it's okay to have a free ride on such a critical power component, I am happy to pay for your guidance and advice. SV Skoiern IV
Nice, they include the serial cable now. I bought one in April and it didn't come with the cable. I'm happy with mine, even if I had to buy a chain hoist to lift it up on to the wall.
2 Question's. 1- Bottom cell have imbalanced pressure right ?. I think the battery arrangement is not that good. its placed horizontally so the the bottom cells will have more pressure and is it recommended to use in this way ?. Will that accelerate the degradation of cells . I believe most of the manufactures are placing cells vertically in Powerwall design due this reason. 2- are you using raspberry pi to get the CAN data or this CAN cable plugged into inverter ?
1. That's not a problem, the 300kgf compression will be much larger as just the weight of the batteries on top of each other. EVE states, the batteries can be used in any orientation just not upside down. 2. I use the Victron Cerbo GX to receive the CAN data. But this will also work with a Pi or any inverter, either CAN or RS485.
I have one of these Orient Power wall batteries to go along with the older Jakiper ( pre pro model ) batteries. The voltage runs a bit higher because those older Jakiper batteries did not have the better quality Eve cells. But all the Pace BMS work fine together . I will be interested what you find for cell differential when you charge full . I had set my charge voltage down to 55.2 but recently moved it back up to 56v and going higher after watching your last few videos. Hoping the bms balancer brings it more in tune. Well today the voltage got up to 56.5v and the differential on the battery was 110 mv differential. I don't think it went to OVP though. The older Jakiper I had used a Neey balancer to top balance in past ( not on it now though ) and it went to 45mv differential. Thanks for the video. oh Mine was bought here in USA in May and I did not get programming cable with mine or the signed inspection sheet - maybe that is a new feature or just for you - the bracket also was not in a separate box. ( but it was at a very good price so maybe they were clearing out the older stock).
Thanks for sharing, Larry. 56V should be absolutely fine for this battery. The balancer has only a relatively small current of around 80mA, so it will take a while to balance it. 110mV delta is not too bad for 56.5V either and as long as no cell goes OVP, It will balance it out over time. More about this in the next video...
ROI is around 8-10 years in AU for 2 of these batteries including a hybrid inverter and installation through a sparky. That's with the current power prices and existing solar. A work mate just installed it and shares the data with me...
Licenced electricians in Au are not cheap. Watching the diy scene in USA is tempting as the total installed cost is much less. (Even allowing for exchange rates). The kicker is in subsidies and electricity rates, particularly time of day and peak feed in rates for virtual grids.
7:58 f the german Standard for the torque testing is, to min double check this - and 2 colours for marking. At high voltage, starting with 6kV, we have 3 checks and 3 colours (must be done by 3 different persons). Anyhow - one dokumented check is better than nothing. BUT after such a transportation, all connections should be checked afterwards.
Yeah, good advice. I'll check mine tonight as long as the cover is still open. Could not see any misalignments on these markers so I think it's all good.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia ok - the second check will be done by you - so 2 persons will check it, what is really fair, to do it. (Remember, everyone of us humans can make mistakes - as well on the suplier side). Honestly in more than 99,99% we didnt find faults by double checking. But - especially in High Voltage Switch gears and similarly, any fault can cause extremely high costs in case of failiures (and additional very expensive time delays on a project....) As I worked as errection and comissioning engineer/manager of elektrical equipment, like switchgears - the first check was done at the factory, and 2./3. check at site after installation (which had 4th colour).
you have very good suggestion. in factory first one person will make the nut thread in, and then one person torque and mark, and a yong lady will inspect and note down.😄
@@OffGridGarageAustralia If I can't get Big Battery to configure a 48v Battery to fit in a 16" cavity, then I'm going to have to do it myself. And just when I thought your channel was purely entertainment, it could become a manual...
Hi Andy. Are all the different packs compatible to connect the BMS together? I have an Gobel GP-SR1-150 and someone tould me that is not compatible to the new GP-SR1-200 because a different BMS manufacturer.
Hi Andy, thanks for the video. I guess you already mentioned in a past video but i can't find it: can you tell me, from where can i download the Windows tool you are using in this video to connect to the BMS via RS232? Thanks.
It is still only 100AH battery for the same cost of a 280AH DIY, I think we are getting scammed for just a little bit of convenience. They want to get rid of all those small cells that they made that no one who is doing DIY will buy.
Well, I don't think DIY is far away from such a batter if you include all the parts, BMS, breaker and also the case with compression. And as I said in the video (you may have missed that part), some people cannot build their own battery for various reasons.
Just how many kilowatt hours of storage do you have at your property (roughly) across Frankenstein, battery 1.0, 2.0, all these seplos, jakiper etc youve been sent for testing.... Youve got to be sitting north of 100kWh surely...
@@OffGridGarageAustralia enough for 2 full charges of your Teslander even accounting for losses??? Wow. That's a solid energy safety net. Amazing how far this has come since the start :)
Wow, looks really well designed. Just makes me want to order one, even though I don't have a compatible inverter yet. Is this kind of battery pack suitable to put inside a home? LFP seems pretty good compared to NMC, and i do have a separate boiler room near the roof. But i'm not 100% sure this is a good idea. Putting it outside may be worse with cold wet climate in the Netherlands.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Thank you. I will get a professional to install it and go beyond regulations in terms of safety. This Jakiper brand looks like a very good option to decrease my dependence on fossil power. The only doubt now is if I should wait for sodium batteries as it's so close to reaching the market.
@@SolAce-nw2hfDon't wait. Until Sodium will be on the market, it will take a few years. There are pretty much no factories being built right now to cater for that. I will test some NA+ batteries on the channel soon...
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Fortunately I can wait a little more because in the Netherlands we have a credit system. Every kWh that I don't use and is transported to the grid, can be used later within the same contract year without any cost. So that is a free battery for as long as this is allowed (at least until 2025). But I am going to add more solar panels on the empty (wrong facing) roof and will replace the Growatt inverter with a hybrid model as soon as I have a nice estimate of useful battery capacity. The other option would have been the brick and concrete garden shed, but I don't think that's a good idea for Lithium batteries. From all I have seen and read, CATL is planning to use the same battery form factor, which makes it easier to convert the existing factories. BYD is building new factories, also in India. And one other brand (forgot the name) is releasing a Sodium Ion car in early 2024. So I still have some hope, but your review and answer has given me enough trust in the Jakiper LFP batteries to buy it and not wait infinitely. My main goal is to use as little Coal/Nuclear power as possible, and this battery will enable that. Thanks again for your advice 😄
Hi Andy, out of curiosity what is the total capacity you have now in the Off-Grid Garage with all those batteries??? Thinking back to your Battery 1.0 and looking at all those, did you ever dream you would come this far? Amazing!!! Well done!!! Gaz 🏴
Thanks, Gaz. I don't really know tbh. I have still 44kWh in the battery shelf which is connected to my powerwall but none of these pre-assembled batteries is actually connected to my production system. I'm only testing them atm... Must be around 2800Ah altogether plus the unpacked boxes with batteries in the back...
@@OffGridGarageAustralia OH WOW that is amazing, and more in boxes lol. You are going to need a bigger Garage soon!!! Any of them boxes Na Battery chemistry yet? I bet you will be the first to get them.
Hi Andy , Amazing content but very overwhelming to a beginner! I have a couple of questions regarding BMS's. 1. is the software available to programme a PACE BMS to work with an inverter if I have the inverter protocol? 2. I have a Pace 15s BMS which is damaged, I need to replace it but I cant find one. Can a 16s work with 15 cells? Can I get 2 different BMS working in parallel? Thank you
Hello, thanks for the feedback. You are starting right at the end of all my videos, so maybe not the best entry point... 1. Yes, with the PC software you can change the protocol in the BMS to sit your inverter. 2. not sure if the Pace 16s MS will also work with a 15s battery. I have asked Gobelpower that question and will update my comment Yes, you can have as many different BMS in parallel as you like as long as they have all the same voltage. So you cannot mix a 15s battery with a 16s battery for example. EDIT: Gobelpower has replied and it is possible by combining balance cable #15 and #16 together and se the cell number in the BMS to 15. Link to the Gobelpower PC200 BMS with discount code: off-grid-garage.com/battery-management-systems-bms/
Hi Andy Which software do I need to install the protocol of my inverter on to my PACE BMS ? Do you have a video showing how to do this? Thank You For your help I am truly grateful!@@OffGridGarageAustralia
@@Al-ix3vcIt's the same software you use to set the parameters. Have a look at this video here, it explains all settings including how to change the protocol to match your inverter: ua-cam.com/video/Wqvj4R--uNE/v-deo.html The software can be downloaded here: off-grid-garage.com/battery-management-systems-bms/
Sorry for all my questions! It seems that most BMS's don't have protocol for MPP Solar inverters , MPP Solar gave me the protocol file when I bought the inverter so How would I install it into the BMS through this Software? I now have the software so thank you for the link .@@OffGridGarageAustralia
That's not a problem, as long as they are compressed and the gas bubbles are being pushed out with the first few cycles. Manufacturer states all orientations are fine but upside down.
@@LarryKapp1 There are different versions out there. I use the Gobelpower software as it does not ask for any other passwords when configuring the Pace BMS.
@@OffGridGarageAustraliagreat vid again Andy. One question though, seeing pylontech come up on the software, does that mean if my inverter is selectronic and selectronic supports pylon I would be able to hook up bms to inverter? Thanks.
I have only connected the three DIY batteries in the shelf. They have around 44kWh. All the other batteries are not in production and for testing purposes atm, but must be close to 150kWh all in total.
Looks like my place last couple of days. No clouds. Growatt Australia replacing one of my invertors, no error message. Must do a quick vlog on that one.
@OffGridGarageAustralia Are there is the interesting thing. I got contacted by Growatt Australia head tech as he hadn't seen this and asked if I would help them. So I did help with everything I could with my system. Anyway, in the end, it was the first inverter.
What happens if I try to use 16S battery in parallel with my 15S pylontech ones? Should I expect nice explosion? :) Btw, the pricesin Switzerland for the Pylontech is unbelievable now - 1600CHF with shipping for 4.8kWh US5000 model. I would still like to build my own, but as Pylontech is 15S, not sure what BMS would I use.
One battery will charge the other but the BMS will prevent anything bad happening. You can still build your own battery and choose a 15s BMS so you can parallel it with the Pylontech. The JK for example, is available as a 7s-20s with 2A active balancer.
Yes, correct. It's about the heat dissipation where the stranded cable has an advantage and therefore can carry a higher current before it reaches the same temperature as a solid cable.
I don't know. I think somebody's trying to pull a fast one because of the production date of the batteries. The way they have it dated it could make some people confused on almost a whole year of the date of production because is it really the 12th day of February 2023 or is it December 2nd of 2023? I see that date how they've done. It confuse a lot of people especially in a year or two. How are people going to know they are talking about the 12th day first and not the month first because normal people do it month date year not date month year. But is it even worth even talking about?
Mostly because it's an international date standard. Not too many places have the month first as a typical standard. These batteries are also measured with dimensions of millimeters and capacity of milliamp-hours. It's all very metric, and so a bit of a give away. It just takes a couple of seconds to slow down and think about it.
I can get in contact with the developer of the QR scanner app and ask him to make it clearer, at least in the app. Yeah, I also think, is it important to even think about a date of February or December? In 5 years time, it is only important to know which year they are manufactured...
You have got SOOOOO many batteries now, Andy!!
All for testing... only the battery shelf is really connected.
Yeah shame but unfortunately he doesn't have the capacity to use them! Seplos and other batteries sitting there doing nothing. Looking at the garage he might have to do an off-grid warehouse garage channel soon! 😂 One thing Prowse did well was having every server rack and power station he had hooked up for long term testings! And MWh's of power generation!
I should add that in Australia you can only feed 10kw maximum into the grid. As Andy is probably still under he's original solar contract it's just not going to change soon, nor is it worth it!
70k subscribers - Well done 🙂 Looks a very nice battery.
Oh, wow, you're right. Makes me sick sometimes just thinking about it how many people are watching.
Best community ever!
Thanks Andy - big thumbs up! 👍
Heya, nice test again. yes for people how are not so handy and can't bild there batteries themselfs these batterie wall's are just perfect. so very nice of you to test this kind of battteries.
The available equipment in the last couple years is mind boggling!
From raw cells to wall units readily available without major delays and poor quality 👍
Thanks Andy 😊
I also feel like we have now so many choices. And good choices. While 3 years ago it was always hit and miss, especially with batteries. Now, we see a very consistent quality and performance.
I hate that I LOVE these videos so much.
Hahaha, more to come... Love you too😉
JAKI for the win !!
Can't wait to see this one in action. Thanks for sharing
Yep, will be in one of the next videos.
❤❤❤Only 4 min in, your GREAT videography makes me smile again😁😁. Great content as always. Thanks from hot and sunny Germany!!
Thank you very much for your kind feedback.
Hello, Andy,
Thank you for the review, I was just at the finish line of my order when your video showed up so my original 5% discount code was quickly replaced 😁
Of course I already bought you a beer 🙂
Please continue making these videos, i've learnt much from you in the last year. Greetings from Hungary!
Balazs
I hope you have used my link as well! Thanks for the beer though...
The Cherry Red Battery Picker!!!
It's a Ferrari!
@@OffGridGarageAustralia it sure s!
Andy, you finally used our power wall! 🥰
so glad you like them.
Really great battery!
Thanks Andy
Thanks, Wayne.
I would say you may need to redo the shop it starting to get crowded. But it’s a good thing 😊
Watch this space...
Love the Andy humor!
What humour? 🧐
Hi Andy ! Have two in parallel and working beautifully!
I bet they would and they look good!
Thank you for ordering from us, if you want to add more batteries, Andy has helped to get the discount code, which is OGGA8.
@@powerwall I did use is code ! Cheers to Andy
Ohhhhh nice! I love it! 🤣
Always entertaining!!!
I ❤❤❤Love your Comedy Buddy. 👍⚡️
Thanks 😁
Dankeschön für die großartigen Videos.
Danke Dir fuer deinen Support!
I love your humor, Andy, as well as your show-off off-Grid Garage. In fact, I'm Off-grid not in a Garage but living on an ocean-going Sailboat. In your UA-cam programs, one thing I learned that is the BMS are not reliable up to the tasks needed for the use. In my case, I have stayed with 4 x 215 amp AGM batteries and 720 watts of solar power. My question is what is the best compo of 12-volt safe lithium batteries and BMS. The fear I have, the BMS system will fail at the wrong time and leave me and my boat without power with a failed battery and BMS system. I'm more than happy to pay for your consulting advice as to what brands of 12-volt Batteries totaling 800 amps with a matching BMS to upgrade my boat system. I look forward to hearing from you.
Thank you for your feedback, John.
4x 215Ah AGM batteries will give you only 4x 105Ah of usable capacity. So using now 4x 200Ah lithium is a massive upgrade in terms of capacity because you can now use almost all the 800Ah!
I would not be concerned about a BMS failing once they are setup correctly. As you may know, I'm testing these products and drive these things in the wrong direction on purpose to see if they fail, when and how safe they still are...
Especially in your case, you will have 4x 200Ah lithium batteries in parallel. Even if one fails, you have redundancy. Big benefit and the reason I went with three banks in parallel as well.
So, any 200Ah LiFePO4 with BMS will do the trick for you. I would, however recommend a Bluetooth option for your batteries so you can keep an eye on the cells and also set them BSM up as you need them.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Thank you, Andy, for the Battery/BMS compatibility assurance. I use Bluetooth now with my solar Victron controller and iPhone, it is wonderful tech. Question, what battery/is compatible or battery inbuilt BMS? Would you recommend, as a sailboat moves around a lot in heavy weather and seas? Take note, I don't want or think it's okay to have a free ride on such a critical power component, I am happy to pay for your guidance and advice. SV Skoiern IV
Nice, they include the serial cable now. I bought one in April and it didn't come with the cable. I'm happy with mine, even if I had to buy a chain hoist to lift it up on to the wall.
They sure are heavy !
This one is around 49kg, so with two people, easy to lift and hang on the wall.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia That would require me to have friends capable of lifting 25kg and also willing to hang out in my basement. ;)
😂😂 Bald brauchst du ein größeres garage. So viele Batterien. Topp.
Watch this space... 😉
I laughed out loud now while watching, k@k is also an Afrikaans word, meaning exactly what you meant...with the 6C. Great stuff Andy!! 😂
Actually it is a dutch one ;)
@@houseofancients Correct, because Afrikaans comes mostly out of Dutch
@@benengelbrecht5637 I know..
We here call it "old dutch", which isn't completely correct, but still ;)
You guys simply stayed "old skool" ;)
Thanks Andy, have you considered doing a review of the GSL powerwall?
No, and I probably won't. Dubious marketing on their website calling their battery 'Tesla Power Storage Home Battery'. I would not trust them!
2 Question's.
1- Bottom cell have imbalanced pressure right ?. I think the battery arrangement is not that good. its placed horizontally so the the bottom cells will have more pressure and is it recommended to use in this way ?. Will that accelerate the degradation of cells . I believe most of the manufactures are placing cells vertically in Powerwall design due this reason.
2- are you using raspberry pi to get the CAN data or this CAN cable plugged into inverter ?
1. That's not a problem, the 300kgf compression will be much larger as just the weight of the batteries on top of each other. EVE states, the batteries can be used in any orientation just not upside down.
2. I use the Victron Cerbo GX to receive the CAN data. But this will also work with a Pi or any inverter, either CAN or RS485.
I have one of these Orient Power wall batteries to go along with the older Jakiper ( pre pro model ) batteries. The voltage runs a bit higher because those older Jakiper batteries did not have the better quality Eve cells. But all the Pace BMS work fine together . I will be interested what you find for cell differential when you charge full . I had set my charge voltage down to 55.2 but recently moved it back up to 56v and going higher after watching your last few videos. Hoping the bms balancer brings it more in tune. Well today the voltage got up to 56.5v and the differential on the battery was 110 mv differential. I don't think it went to OVP though. The older Jakiper I had used a Neey balancer to top balance in past ( not on it now though ) and it went to 45mv differential. Thanks for the video. oh Mine was bought here in USA in May and I did not get programming cable with mine or the signed inspection sheet - maybe that is a new feature or just for you - the bracket also was not in a separate box. ( but it was at a very good price so maybe they were clearing out the older stock).
Thanks for sharing, Larry.
56V should be absolutely fine for this battery. The balancer has only a relatively small current of around 80mA, so it will take a while to balance it. 110mV delta is not too bad for 56.5V either and as long as no cell goes OVP, It will balance it out over time.
More about this in the next video...
The bang for buck in Australia is woeful. $2500 for 5.1kWh won't stack up financially in most situations.
ROI is around 8-10 years in AU for 2 of these batteries including a hybrid inverter and installation through a sparky. That's with the current power prices and existing solar. A work mate just installed it and shares the data with me...
Licenced electricians in Au are not cheap. Watching the diy scene in USA is tempting as the total installed cost is much less. (Even allowing for exchange rates).
The kicker is in subsidies and electricity rates, particularly time of day and peak feed in rates for virtual grids.
Hey Andy! I think cells inside powerwall laid horizontally will affect their cycle life, so many manufacturers don't recommend that position😢
Usually any position is fine except upside down
@@niktak1114 search in Google and will see which position is allowed
If they are compressed, it is not a problem as all gas bubbles will be pushed out sideways. There is no negative effect in doing that.
7:58 f the german Standard for the torque testing is, to min double check this - and 2 colours for marking. At high voltage, starting with 6kV, we have 3 checks and 3 colours (must be done by 3 different persons). Anyhow - one dokumented check is better than nothing.
BUT after such a transportation, all connections should be checked afterwards.
Yeah, good advice. I'll check mine tonight as long as the cover is still open. Could not see any misalignments on these markers so I think it's all good.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia ok - the second check will be done by you - so 2 persons will check it, what is really fair, to do it. (Remember, everyone of us humans can make mistakes - as well on the suplier side).
Honestly in more than 99,99% we didnt find faults by double checking. But - especially in High Voltage Switch gears and similarly, any fault can cause extremely high costs in case of failiures (and additional very expensive time delays on a project....)
As I worked as errection and comissioning engineer/manager of elektrical equipment, like switchgears - the first check was done at the factory, and 2./3. check at site after installation (which had 4th colour).
you have very good suggestion. in factory first one person will make the nut thread in, and then one person torque and mark, and a yong lady will inspect and note down.😄
Like# 6, wow, those first 5 likes were lightening fast!
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@@OffGridGarageAustralia If I can't get Big Battery to configure a 48v Battery to fit in a 16" cavity, then I'm going to have to do it myself. And just when I thought your channel was purely entertainment, it could become a manual...
Hi Andy. Are all the different packs compatible to connect the BMS together? I have an Gobel GP-SR1-150 and someone tould me that is not compatible to the new GP-SR1-200 because a different BMS manufacturer.
Correct, the SR1-150 battery uses the Gobelpower BMS. The SR1-200 use the Pace BMS. They are not compatible.
can you tell me mate whether i can grid connect these batteries in Australia?
hello, is there any possibility for this battery to communicate with pc (bms tools)via rs485 instead of rs232? thank you in advance from Romania!
Hi Andy, thanks for the video.
I guess you already mentioned in a past video but i can't find it: can you tell me, from where can i download the Windows tool you are using in this video to connect to the BMS via RS232? Thanks.
It's on my website under the Gobelpower and Pace BMS section:
off-grid-garage.com/battery-management-systems-bms/
It is still only 100AH battery for the same cost of a 280AH DIY, I think we are getting scammed for just a little bit of convenience. They want to get rid of all those small cells that they made that no one who is doing DIY will buy.
It's like half the price of a DIY 280
Well, I don't think DIY is far away from such a batter if you include all the parts, BMS, breaker and also the case with compression. And as I said in the video (you may have missed that part), some people cannot build their own battery for various reasons.
I agree with Andy, start buying all the extras you need for your DIY system. I know it costs a lot for me.
@@nicmate2543 Did you put in a fuse and DC circuit breaker too, mate? I would double that pack.
Just how many kilowatt hours of storage do you have at your property (roughly) across Frankenstein, battery 1.0, 2.0, all these seplos, jakiper etc youve been sent for testing....
Youve got to be sitting north of 100kWh surely...
Around 150kWh all in total, I guess, plus some unopened boxes...
@@OffGridGarageAustralia enough for 2 full charges of your Teslander even accounting for losses???
Wow. That's a solid energy safety net. Amazing how far this has come since the start :)
It is really a pity that the cell voltages are arranged like this. 8 next to 8 would be nicer, like in the old Tool 1.06.
Yeah, it's a bit confusing.
FIRST!!!!
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Wow, looks really well designed. Just makes me want to order one, even though I don't have a compatible inverter yet.
Is this kind of battery pack suitable to put inside a home?
LFP seems pretty good compared to NMC, and i do have a separate boiler room near the roof. But i'm not 100% sure this is a good idea. Putting it outside may be worse with cold wet climate in the Netherlands.
These batteries can be put inside, but please follow the regulations for your area when installing a battery.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Thank you. I will get a professional to install it and go beyond regulations in terms of safety.
This Jakiper brand looks like a very good option to decrease my dependence on fossil power. The only doubt now is if I should wait for sodium batteries as it's so close to reaching the market.
@@SolAce-nw2hfDon't wait. Until Sodium will be on the market, it will take a few years. There are pretty much no factories being built right now to cater for that.
I will test some NA+ batteries on the channel soon...
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Fortunately I can wait a little more because in the Netherlands we have a credit system. Every kWh that I don't use and is transported to the grid, can be used later within the same contract year without any cost. So that is a free battery for as long as this is allowed (at least until 2025).
But I am going to add more solar panels on the empty (wrong facing) roof and will replace the Growatt inverter with a hybrid model as soon as I have a nice estimate of useful battery capacity.
The other option would have been the brick and concrete garden shed, but I don't think that's a good idea for Lithium batteries.
From all I have seen and read, CATL is planning to use the same battery form factor, which makes it easier to convert the existing factories. BYD is building new factories, also in India. And one other brand (forgot the name) is releasing a Sodium Ion car in early 2024.
So I still have some hope, but your review and answer has given me enough trust in the Jakiper LFP batteries to buy it and not wait infinitely. My main goal is to use as little Coal/Nuclear power as possible, and this battery will enable that.
Thanks again for your advice 😄
I watch several of channels like yours. What happens to the batteries that you receive for testing? Do you send them back?
I can't find BMS tools software. Can you add a link in the description or on your website, thanks.
It's already on the website under the Gobelpower and Pace BMS section
off-grid-garage.com/battery-management-systems-bms/
@@OffGridGarageAustralia oh, thanks 🙏 i tried to find separate category, like a software 😀
Hi Andy, out of curiosity what is the total capacity you have now in the Off-Grid Garage with all those batteries???
Thinking back to your Battery 1.0 and looking at all those, did you ever dream you would come this far?
Amazing!!! Well done!!!
Gaz 🏴
Thanks, Gaz. I don't really know tbh. I have still 44kWh in the battery shelf which is connected to my powerwall but none of these pre-assembled batteries is actually connected to my production system. I'm only testing them atm...
Must be around 2800Ah altogether plus the unpacked boxes with batteries in the back...
@@OffGridGarageAustralia OH WOW that is amazing, and more in boxes lol. You are going to need a bigger Garage soon!!!
Any of them boxes Na Battery chemistry yet?
I bet you will be the first to get them.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia it will be more
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Andy is opening an electric vehicle fast DC charging site very soon. 😂😂😂
Haha...JK is doing well - nothing to to tell....
and about the other two you need a seperate video.... 😂😂😂
Tells the story already, doesn't it...😂
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Yes of course.
Im happy to go with JKs.
But your new annotation arouses my interest to cheat on. 🤔 😉
Hi Andy , Amazing content but very overwhelming to a beginner! I have a couple of questions regarding BMS's. 1. is the software available to programme a PACE BMS to work with an inverter if I have the inverter protocol? 2. I have a Pace 15s BMS which is damaged, I need to replace it but I cant find one. Can a 16s work with 15 cells? Can I get 2 different BMS working in parallel? Thank you
Hello, thanks for the feedback. You are starting right at the end of all my videos, so maybe not the best entry point...
1. Yes, with the PC software you can change the protocol in the BMS to sit your inverter.
2. not sure if the Pace 16s MS will also work with a 15s battery. I have asked Gobelpower that question and will update my comment
Yes, you can have as many different BMS in parallel as you like as long as they have all the same voltage. So you cannot mix a 15s battery with a 16s battery for example.
EDIT:
Gobelpower has replied and it is possible by combining balance cable #15 and #16 together and se the cell number in the BMS to 15.
Link to the Gobelpower PC200 BMS with discount code:
off-grid-garage.com/battery-management-systems-bms/
Hi Andy Which software do I need to install the protocol of my inverter on to my PACE BMS ? Do you have a video showing how to do this? Thank You For your help I am truly grateful!@@OffGridGarageAustralia
I have managed to find the same PACE 15S BMS But I will need to install the protocol for My inverter.
@@Al-ix3vcIt's the same software you use to set the parameters.
Have a look at this video here, it explains all settings including how to change the protocol to match your inverter: ua-cam.com/video/Wqvj4R--uNE/v-deo.html
The software can be downloaded here:
off-grid-garage.com/battery-management-systems-bms/
Sorry for all my questions! It seems that most BMS's don't have protocol for MPP Solar inverters , MPP Solar gave me the protocol file when I bought the inverter so How would I install it into the BMS through this Software? I now have the software so thank you for the link .@@OffGridGarageAustralia
When hang on a wall, the cells will be lying on the wide side. Isn't it not a recommended orientation for cells that way?
That's not a problem, as long as they are compressed and the gas bubbles are being pushed out with the first few cycles. Manufacturer states all orientations are fine but upside down.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Hmmm.... Interesting info...
Is there a way to connect the seplos mason 135 to the raspberry pi victron software?
Yes, absolutely.
ua-cam.com/video/pus6zcImbf0/v-deo.html
Hi Andy love your videos keep up the good work, just a quick question what is the password for pace BMS in this video
The password for changing the settings is just 123456.
There was also a previous software version on Orient Power webpage that had 8888888 password - it said that right in the download.
@@LarryKapp1 There are different versions out there. I use the Gobelpower software as it does not ask for any other passwords when configuring the Pace BMS.
@@OffGridGarageAustraliagreat vid again Andy. One question though, seeing pylontech come up on the software, does that mean if my inverter is selectronic and selectronic supports pylon I would be able to hook up bms to inverter? Thanks.
@@gibo1971 yes, that will work. As long as the inverter and BMS are set to the same protocol, they can communicate.
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Thanks Andy! What is the total kWh of all the batteries now in the OGG?
I have only connected the three DIY batteries in the shelf. They have around 44kWh. All the other batteries are not in production and for testing purposes atm, but must be close to 150kWh all in total.
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Looks like my place last couple of days. No clouds. Growatt Australia replacing one of my invertors, no error message. Must do a quick vlog on that one.
Why would the replace an inverter if it has no error?
@OffGridGarageAustralia Are there is the interesting thing. I got contacted by Growatt Australia head tech as he hadn't seen this and asked if I would help them. So I did help with everything I could with my system. Anyway, in the end, it was the first inverter.
What happens if I try to use 16S battery in parallel with my 15S pylontech ones? Should I expect nice explosion? :)
Btw, the pricesin Switzerland for the Pylontech is unbelievable now - 1600CHF with shipping for 4.8kWh US5000 model.
I would still like to build my own, but as Pylontech is 15S, not sure what BMS would I use.
One battery will charge the other but the BMS will prevent anything bad happening.
You can still build your own battery and choose a 15s BMS so you can parallel it with the Pylontech. The JK for example, is available as a 7s-20s with 2A active balancer.
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Not enough shirts 😄
Jakiper is pretty expensive in the US.
In comparison to what?
In comparison to just about any other battery.@@OffGridGarageAustralia
That fine-stranded cables can withstand more current is probably a myth. The opposite is the case.
Yes, correct. It's about the heat dissipation where the stranded cable has an advantage and therefore can carry a higher current before it reaches the same temperature as a solid cable.
But a solid wire will carry more current than the stranded wire if the diameter of both wires is the same. @@OffGridGarageAustralia
Also, the air between the strands tends to act as an insulator and prevent the heat from being dissipated?
@@karisianschwermer6464Apparently not. The benefit of having more surface area seems to outweigh that negative effect.
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They are too expensive for what it is, 3300€ for a 10kWh, I built my 14kWh for 1700€.
Built from bare cells?
That’s quite a saving. Very tempting
I don't know. I think somebody's trying to pull a fast one because of the production date of the batteries. The way they have it dated it could make some people confused on almost a whole year of the date of production because is it really the 12th day of February 2023 or is it December 2nd of 2023? I see that date how they've done. It confuse a lot of people especially in a year or two. How are people going to know they are talking about the 12th day first and not the month first because normal people do it month date year not date month year. But is it even worth even talking about?
Mostly because it's an international date standard. Not too many places have the month first as a typical standard. These batteries are also measured with dimensions of millimeters and capacity of milliamp-hours. It's all very metric, and so a bit of a give away. It just takes a couple of seconds to slow down and think about it.
I can get in contact with the developer of the QR scanner app and ask him to make it clearer, at least in the app.
Yeah, I also think, is it important to even think about a date of February or December? In 5 years time, it is only important to know which year they are manufactured...
Way to expensive for me. However it's cool like it
Not sure if it is really more expensive than a DIY battery if you include all materials and also the case...
Buy this you don't need to buy extra racks.
Battery pawn 🎉