Hi Sam. I just wanted to let you know that a few weeks ago I decided to get a colonoscopy largely because of the family tragedy you have shared over the past couple of years about your wife's cancer diagnosis. I was later shocked when my doctor told me that in addition to a few small adenomas he removed, he also found and removed a relatively large dysplastic lesion that he thought looked as though it was well on its way toward becoming malignant. Fortunately the path report on that biopsy also came back negative, but my gastroenterologist tells me that if I had neglected to get that colonoscopy for even a couple of more year it is conceivable that it may have cost me my life. Thank you Sam and my heart goes out to you and your family for all you have suffered because no one warned you the way you warned me.
Hi Norm. For my gut health my sweetheart and I make and eat our own kombucha, kimchi, sauerkraut and yogurt. When I compare Sam's delivery with others' I'm very drawn to him and his family circumstances. Fight on my man....
We’re praying for your family and your wife Sam. You do a great job with your videos and presentations. I enjoy listening and always learn something new and interesting from The Electric Viking!
Sam, please know how many of us are praying for your strength and comfort at this faith-trying time. Take whatever time off you need, knowing we will be here upon your return.
It is a good sign when BYD publicly make statements on a topic. This hints at the high probability they actually have something to back it up. BYD have the largest number of patents on solid state battery technology in China. Hopefully a real breakthrough from BYD is just around the corner.
Every player in the field has Solid State battary nowadays. It's an open secret in China. The problem is the cost. Cheryl just officially announced they would fit their in house SSB from 2026.
Greetings Sam. Our very best to you & your family. My family has been ravaged by cancer so I know the toll it takes. Your podcasts are great & hopefully BYD will release solid state batteries in the very near future 👍👍👍
Solid-state batteries (SSB's) are inevitable, but need to solve the high cost and lower cycle life issues, which they will. Once solved, SSB's will become the standard.
I agree, but how long this will take is unknown. Those here saying they are confident it will be solved and cheap in budget cars by 2030 are very optimistic. Solid State butteries have become like the holy grail so all the companies are talking up how fast mass production will be achieved.
LFP battery with 800 to 1,000 mile range would be a game changer. Would love to see that happen by 2027. With a battery like this, you could reduce battery size and weight making the car lighter while still having a range that far exceeds anything available today.
There's a UA-cam video I watched last week where a guy in China is reviewing their NEO ET5, with this 150kWh battery on a long drive. It's really interesting, the fact it's possible to swap the battery pack, rent it for a few days, upgrade the battery, in my opinion makes NEO EVs futureproof and somewhat isolated from depreciation. Sustainability is about the four R's, Reduce, Reuse, Repair and Recycle, super expensive EV's, full of touchscreens, AI, difficult to repair, impossible to upgrade with high depreciation, isn't the answer to reducing C02 or filling landfills, the car ownership model was wrong and now is even wrong'er with EV's. I'm keeping my old Audi A3 until I can buy a NEO ET5T I think.
@@donaldduck5731 I saw that video too. In the US with the $4k used ev instant subsidy, a depreciated ev is a good option. Available once a year on 2 year or older cars under $25k. The big depreciation on new evs makes used a viable alternative. The used cars have no performance loss. Sell he A3.
Sam,I found this info on the UA-cam channel 'Fully charged show', the last material from yesterday: 1) Samsung says that they have already started producing solid-state batteries for EV on a battery production line. 2) The chinese SAIC said that starting with next year, 2025, they will have solid-state batteries in the chinese MG4 EV cars.
What I need is a battery that will take me 280 miles at 70 mph and charge in 25 minutes.most people need a small break after about three hours. That’s 210 miles that’s all you need for vacations or going to the cabin. 95% of the time you will charge at home or the cabin. Lfp is close and cheap. We’re almost there.
That’s good but when you get to a charge point and there’s a queue of several cars as there isn’t anywhere nearly enough public chargers then that “25 min” stop becomes……and not everyone will have their own “cabin with charger either” this all sounds like perfect world situation which we don’t live in, maybe the high end owner do.
We are a long long way from that claim. I like new tech and follow sites like this one but the idea we are just about to magically switch over is a fantasy. This headlong rush is simply a very costly mistake that will see the end for some manufacturers.
I bought the 12v Ohmmu SSB to swap out my led acid 12v for my model 3 after you made a video about it a while a go. The SSB was so incredibly light compared to the led acid i took out. I have had absolutely no problems after installing it. I really hope it will last for 10 years or more.
Hey, Sam, thank you for your great channel. Hope about covering Aptera? For those unaware, Aptera is a California EV startup making the most efficient PRACTICAL car the world has ever seen.
Considering that MG has been a year behind BYD for the last few years, I doubt they will beat BYD to Solid State, the MG4 drives great and is a nice car to drive, just drove one yesterday :), I also drove the MGZS EV and it was a nice small SUV to drive as well, not sure what the Car experts are talking about as far as the handling and how it goes on our roads ? I have driven every affordable EV as the Wife and I are going to buy one July next year, depending on what special deals they offer and I am thinking it will be a BYD ATTO3, unless the MG drops it's price as the BYD is a better buy at the same price as the MG.
@@billybobjones4317 It depends whatever you have access to those batteries or not. Qing Tao will be releasing their semi solid to the market this year and SAIC already own half of the company.
@billybobjones4317 Even though xioami and huawei is behind samsung, they always make first products of any innovation. Samsung makes prototype but others enter market first. This is the exact thing that will happen with mg and byd. Byd will make prototype and mg will launch on market.
Replacing successful incumbent technologies often takes much longer than most anticipate. They may conquer the challenges limiting SSBs over the next five years, but the current technologies will continue to improve also. While we might see SSBs in niche applications sooner, I suspect it will be a decade or more before we see them as the go-to battery in our everyday cars.
Toyota is like the frog in the water that’s turned up to boil. They are in far greater trouble than they realize and they’ll figure it out when it’s too late - then ask for a government hand out.
Automakers need to mass produce cars that sell in today's market, not 5-10 years from now. And that is why Toyota has the largest profits among all automakers.
Toyotas strategy is a successful one as they sell hybrids hand over fist as EV sales plateau. EVs will be viable on mass when infrastructure and solid state batteries arrive.
@@GlowingTubeinfrastructure is being rolled out, but it’s a worn out argument that one follows the other. Which should come first? Do you think Ford or Dodge bros etc would wait until filling stations were ubiquitous?
Solid state batteries could end up in budget EVs, but expect them to be smaller batteries, weighing less. Most people don't need more than 300 miles range now. As EV charger infrastructure builds out, we will find the minimum practical range will drift downward. Budget vehicle range will drift downward as well.
Exactly the opposite. In cold weather running the heater in your car.... If you want any kind of decent range you're going to need a 800 mi range battery... Just to get that 300
Smaller battery packs with higher capacity cells may not sacrifice range, if weight is reduced then a cars efficiency will increase gaining range. It is likely that a 300 miles car with higher capacity will be cheaper due to a smaller lower cost pack delivering a similar range to larger pack EVs currently. Premium cars will likely jump up to next next range level (500+ miles) by retaining the larger pack size as now.
People keep saying this but just realize.. And i sincerely hope you do that only fanatics say that. I would say people want at least 400 miles for true mass adoption and honestly i think it might be 500. And there has to be affordable options with this range. We still can't see that EVs are still in it's infancy.
@@MudflyWatersman Modern EVs don't lose that much range when you have the heater on a few times an hour. Sure, if you run the heater at 30c for hours on end... but then again, not many people want to be that warm in a car and not everyone lives in those types of temperatures year round. Let's buy things that make sense for the vast majority of journeys rather than worrying about that single journey.
I suspect SSB will be in the luxury cars or like a special top-end trim called super range for a hefty price tag. Anyway, it's expected, things need to scale for it to get cheap. Regular Li-ion took years to get to the cheap prices it is at today.
Sam, I appreciate the work you do! All the best to your wife, kids and you! I’m still waiting for affordable home storage batteries! Prices are falling, but too slowly. An Enphase or Tesla home battery is still more than $1000 US per kWh. Given existing technology, the average American, European or Australian home will need 30-50 kWh of storage for individual homeowners to be able to generate and store their own energy for their homes and cars. And, given the devastation from storms last week in the SE US abs in Nepal, we cannot afford to keep using fossil fuels for much longer.
@@electricvikingYou should take some pictures of all the EVs on the road in California, and create a photo collage. And take a picture when you stop at a red light, and find six Teslas lined up at the intersection.
I'm sure that the Viking was singing the praises of BYD and their Blade 2 battery! Solid state is coming, but it's probably 3 or 4 years before it starts to replace LFP.
Thanks Sam. Be great if you tell us about other batteries sometime. I want to make my own battery bank for the solar panels at home. Looking online is a minefield and often out of date.
Some of the CATL's 2025 lithium batteries beat what some solid state battery makers claim for ss batteries years away from mass production. Nevertheless in theory it makes sense a more dense medium like solid state will eventually win out.
Seems Amprius current battery offerings are already competitive with solid state batteries of the future, if solid state ever becomes a thing, due to their complex and expensive production process. Not to mention the 0-80% fast charge in insane 6 minutes Amprius batteries already offers.
Due to the charging TIME anxiety, not so much range anxiety, I believe a battery that can do about 1,000km will do a lot to win the range anxiety petrol guzzlers over, and convert them. Reason being, people don’t want to have to charge a battery every 300km on a long trip. But they won’t mind so much if they can travel 6 or 700km before having to charge, and then can do so during lunch or dinner break. Plus, those in townships working, or regional who travel 100km daily, will also be very happy to charge at home every other day. Make sense? Solid state if it can get to this will win for sure
Nio's 150 kWh semi-solid state battery is the same weight as the second gen 100 kWh NCM battery. This has been confirmed by the Chinese car regulator. SAIC has opened order intake for the IM L6 with 130 kWh semi-SSB (and 800 hp) for something like US$50.000 iirc, with deliveries starting this year. The battery comes from the manufacturer Qingtao. I guess we're going to see quite a few new semi-SSB batteries next year in China. With the recent price drops for raw materials I guess LFP is now roughly the same price or maybe even cheaper than sodium-ion. I don't think any of the sodium-ion cars announced actually made it to the market, since there's no need for it right now.
Toyota just got a fat funding from Japanese government to develop LFP battery which will be obsolete. Speaking about messiah who preaches solid state many years ago and now getting free money from government for a yesterday tech. Way to go Toyota
5 year time horizon, is a really, really short timeline believe it or not. This is a huge change. Not everyone knows that when the Chicxuclub impactor hit Earth the dinosaurs actually didn't all die immediately - they took 30,000 years before the last one expired. I'd be in Tesla and Byd now before Toyota for sure. Good work Viking!
Toyota spent 8 billion dollars in R & D in comparison to BYD's 5.7 Billion US dollars in 2023. BYD nearly doubled its R&D in 2023. Who spent more in terms of the size of the company especially one is more specialized in Battery technology. BYD got Solar panel, EV Buses, semiconductor, monorail etc.,
@myhome772 same here. Or the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. My father in law has one and he loves it. Of course it only works if you can charge it up at home, which we cant in our building.
The speed of innovation is what gives me pause on buying an EV. I understand that the resale value is going to start to look like any consumer device, I tend to drive cars for 10 to 15 years. In that timeframe, will the car I am driving become unmaintainable at some point before I'm ready to retire it? Probably not. But it gives me pause.
I am in the same position as you. I kept my last car for just over 11 years and my current car is coming up to 11 years old. I would recommend going for a car with an LFP battery and maybe buy a pre-reg or a car less than a year old so you won't lose as much on the depreciation. If nothing better comes up in the next year, I will buy a Dolphin.
@@mickjoebills Oh. I recognize the probability that I'll save money over time. At least, on paper, today. I'm just wondering if we'll be turning these cars over more rapidly than we'd prefer because they are suddenly no longer repairable because the tech has moved forward so rapidly. If you know what I mean.
@@catherinegrimes2308 We will be on the market for a new car next year. We are on the fence with EV vs Hybrid. Probably will go with an EV, but … we'll see. I suspect maybe people have similar concerns.
@@mickjoebills Nobody knows whether modern BEVs will last 15 years. The uncertainty is why it's so difficult to accurately price or chart a depreciation curve of a used BEV. Indeed software can be updated like OS, but the bottle-neck will always be with the hardware. Even if it physically lasts, would you want to be using an old computer/smartphone for 15 years? It just becomes easier to replace every 5 to 7 years so.
Toyota's 2016 Solid State battery never arrived, and now they're faced with an absolutely colossal recall and replacement of over 100,000 Engines in Toyota and Lexus vehicles in the US. Not heard of it? Imagine what you would be hearing if it was Tesla doing something like that,
Hopefully solid state can solve the lithium battery incendiary problem before the insurance underwriters jump in whereas hybrids can use NiMh batteries in a safety tradeoff.
It’s said that the MG4 is claimed to be coming with a solid state battery next year according to the latest news from fully charged. But we will have to see.
Solid state batteries should be more resilient to that. They are looking into things like having a battery heater for when it gets that low, which would probably need some warm-up time before they're fully operational.
I will consider a ssb rather than a lithium battery simply because of the reduced fire risks and improved mileage compared to today's ev that are available now.
Samsung just released their new solid state batteries. Still expansive, but it works, in cars. According to Samsung today, their 600mile EV battery can charges in 9 minutes from 10% to 80% and do 1 miljoen miles . . . . 500Wh per kg. For the next few years in high end EV's but within 5 years in standard EV's.
Hi Sam. Nio's claim is not outside the bounds on EV claims. Mototrend has a real world efficiency test on EVs. The most efficient car they tested did 3.6mpkwh which was a hyndai ionic. 3.6mpkwh gets about 540miles on a 150kwh battery. This is in line with what people aregetying from the Nio battery. The fact that in 2024 people are driving nearly 1000km on a single charge is significant. This battery makes range anxiety a thing of the past.
Within this decade solid state batteries will start being adopted. By the 2030s, it will be adopted in all EV cars, and probably in devices like phones, cordless tools, anything that requires a battery.
Better and cheaper batteries are clearly necessary for electric vehicles to fully reach their potential. However, competition to get there first means that a lot of money is being spent solving almost the same problem many times over. That slows the industry as a whole. If I'm an investor, how do I know which of the dozens or hundreds of different battery rersearch programs will break through? Truth is, nobody knows at this point. That would make me wait until the situation is a little clearer. That limits the pace.
Also what is the recyclability of ss cells? If it makes them harder and more energy intensive to recycle then there is no point other than special applications like aircraft.
There are companies working on high recycleable battery designs, well suited to flight. The are designed to support automated end of life recycling back into battery grade resource integrated into battery manufacturing lines. Planes will likely have flight specific optimised battery packs (or containers) that are swappable for off plane charging and servicing increasing flight turnaround time. Also, Lithium-Air batteries are being investigated for flight having current energy density of 1700wH/kg, with both electrolyte and solid state chemistries being investigated. Currently they have a low cycle life (
ET7 drivers have got 1000 km out of the 150kWh semi solid state NIO battery. So, the battery isn't a fake. But, it is oversold. The 100kWh battery in the ET7 provides about 770 km in range (based on the CLTC cycle) so the 150kWh battery, if it scaled linearly, would provide around 1155 km. So, clearly, it either doesn't scale linearly or its energy density is overstated. Now, the 150kWh battery only weighs about 20kg more than the 100kWh battery so near linear scaling ought to be possible. In my estimation, the battery is underperforming by roughly 7 - 8% (there is some guesswork in that calculation). The energy density seems to be more in the 330 - 335Wh/kg range than the stated 360Wh/kg. Either that or there is more untapped potential in this battery.
1 million km is 621,890 miles. If you drive an average of 12k to 20k miles a year the battery should last 51.82 to 31.09 years. Will other parts of your car last that long? Will CATL still be around after that? I'm guessing that battery tech will have evolved in that time, and that battery replacements will be difficult as they wont be backwards compatible with your car if it lasted that long.
what about quantum scape? they have been working for years on this and have sent samples to many companies including approval form VW. maybe ina couple of years they will have it
If solid state batteries go into mass production that will cause lithium ion battery prices to drop. However, there is some risk they will not be allowed in cars in some markets to keep cars from getting too cheap. For example they could lobby to get lithium batteries banned because of fire risk or some other BS reason to force people to buy expensive solid state battery vehicles.
Of course super new technology isn't going into the cheap, sold most by the numbers, models. It takes time to scale up. It takes a lot of money to develop new things. If it's better and you can ask more for it, it's best to put it in the bigger, or more expensive models since that helps to recoup on the development costs while production is scaled up. Early adopters and all that. We have been there plenty times before.
i’m new to subject but imo it totally depends on one company like byd or tesla decides to use it in all their cars and market changes suddenly. Esp Elon Musk will market that to incrase their sales, he can risk. He likes to take risk anyways. :)
Sam a solid state battery has different Cathode material, the electrolyte will be a form of pure Lithium. So it's yet another form of lithium battery chemistry.
But yet, the race is on. Reason: lithium-ion batteries with _liquid_ electrolytes are very flammable at times and when the fire starts, there's no stopping it even with the best firefighting chemicals.
you still use tapes for data storage, spinning disc hdd too, even when your pc uses ssd. there are places that will use those other types of batteries too.
A good example. The specific needs of different applications, transport, grid storage, and every other niche, they will all choose the cheapest battery tech to fit the need.
You wonder that because countries stated all companies had to get battery powered by a certain date the investment went wild and the advance in batteries was ballistic, if the same had been said that all ICE’s had to have improvement by a date or else they could not be sold i expect the investment would also have been mind blowing and we would not need to look at EV tech.
No, it would not. Remember VW diesel gate scandal? Exactly, they would fake software data to "improve" ICE car emissions and hence no real improvement.
What a BS you type. Elon delivers and unlike Toyota he admits that Cybertruck was a shot in a leg for Tesla but nevertheless, you have Cybertruck. Toyota is going against entire world with its NO battery EV, and eventually it will be their downfall.
It takes 10 years to release a new battery, with huge pitfalls along the way. Energy density is only one component of success. Manufacturability, cost, cycle life and operating temperature are all factors. BYD saying solid state will be "here" in 5 years really means nothing.
It doesn't take 10 years. It can but that's not a hard number. Also solid state batteries have been in research for ages. There are already solid state batteries in use in mobile chargers and such.
Solid state technology is still emerging and not perfected as yet. That’s why it will be expensive at first when it is finally introduced to the market. As time passes, it will become cheaper.
The world has not spent 'hundreds of billions' on solid state batteries. Can't even say if they will ever add up to such a ludicrous amount. The technology will be surpassed before the world can invest 'hundreds of billions'.
I will consider a chinese car with solid state when europe drops all the tarifs. Ehich coincidentally coincide with the dropping or their own subsidies to the consumer. In germany you pay 1% of the purchase price yearly as a road tax, EV were exempt before (only listed ones made in europe). Plus they gave 5-10k in cash rebats. now that has all stopped sales tanked by 70%. So they put tarifs on chinese cars to compensate for their own inability to continue with subsidies
In the 2000's the general believed that flat screen tvs were only going to be premium for a long time to go and that 'normal' analog tvs would be in the budget market for decades to come. By 2005/6 the analog TV market was gone because flatscreens were much cheaper to produce. You need to take a step back to make a prediction on solid-state batteries. The question you need to ask is 'how much do the raw materials cost that go into a solid-state battery compared to the raw material cost of a lithium battery with the same capacity'. If the raw material cost of the solid-state battery is lower, they will be in all cars faster than you think. In the medium to long run, the cost of the technological development of a product is irrelevant to the price of it. As the development costs have already been made in the past and most likely by someone else than the cuurent producer of these batteries.
The advancements are amazing. 🤩 Even the new Model 3 Tesla (long range) that just came out now has an estimated 363 mile range, and some UA-camrs have done long distance test drives where they hit nearly 380 miles! Solid State batteries will be a total game changer. Longer ranges, charge faster, totally safe and eventually cheaper as well. I think 🤔 5 years until the first ones seems probable. But the are many non-solid state batteries 🔋 that will be coming out in the next few years before the solid states that will be quite an improvement as well…….
Indeed, I am getting around 600km (373miles) in my Mercedes EQE….changed from Tesla 3P (wife still has her Model X) to the EQE, wanted an S but cannot buy in Australia (RHD market). Overall I’d take an S over the EQE, but it is nice and very good on range.
Yep... Japan with Toyota & vw for Germany.... doesn't look good internationally , I think vw has more purchase power on solid state batteries so let's see
Well Toyota has had huge problems with their turbo engines. It has nothing to do with the solid state stuff. ICE have clearly hit their max as these gas efficient Turbo engines have been nothing but trouble for all the manufacturers. The only path forward is electric.
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Hi Sam. I just wanted to let you know that a few weeks ago I decided to get a colonoscopy largely because of the family tragedy you have shared over the past couple of years about your wife's cancer diagnosis. I was later shocked when my doctor told me that in addition to a few small adenomas he removed, he also found and removed a relatively large dysplastic lesion that he thought looked as though it was well on its way toward becoming malignant. Fortunately the path report on that biopsy also came back negative, but my gastroenterologist tells me that if I had neglected to get that colonoscopy for even a couple of more year it is conceivable that it may have cost me my life. Thank you Sam and my heart goes out to you and your family for all you have suffered because no one warned you the way you warned me.
Hi Norm. For my gut health my sweetheart and I make and eat our own kombucha, kimchi, sauerkraut and yogurt. When I compare Sam's delivery with others' I'm very drawn to him and his family circumstances. Fight on my man....
Wow lucky, how old are you?
you should get a colonoscopy When you turn 50.
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We’re praying for your family and your wife Sam. You do a great job with your videos and presentations. I enjoy listening and always learn something new and interesting from The Electric Viking!
Thanks so much
Sam, please know how many of us are praying for your strength and comfort at this faith-trying time. Take whatever time off you need, knowing we will be here upon your return.
It is a good sign when BYD publicly make statements on a topic. This hints at the high probability they actually have something to back it up. BYD have the largest number of patents on solid state battery technology in China. Hopefully a real breakthrough from BYD is just around the corner.
Every player in the field has Solid State battary nowadays. It's an open secret in China. The problem is the cost. Cheryl just officially announced they would fit their in house SSB from 2026.
Greetings Sam. Our very best to you & your family. My family has been ravaged by cancer so I know the toll it takes. Your podcasts are great & hopefully BYD will release solid state batteries in the very near future 👍👍👍
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Solid-state batteries (SSB's) are inevitable, but need to solve the high cost and lower cycle life issues, which they will. Once solved, SSB's will become the standard.
I agree, but how long this will take is unknown. Those here saying they are confident it will be solved and cheap in budget cars by 2030 are very optimistic. Solid State butteries have become like the holy grail so all the companies are talking up how fast mass production will be achieved.
LFP battery with 800 to 1,000 mile range would be a game changer. Would love to see that happen by 2027. With a battery like this, you could reduce battery size and weight making the car lighter while still having a range that far exceeds anything available today.
One of your most informative videos! Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Nio is doing daily rental swaps with a 150kWh battery in limited China locations. WeLion semi-solidstate.
There's a UA-cam video I watched last week where a guy in China is reviewing their NEO ET5, with this 150kWh battery on a long drive.
It's really interesting, the fact it's possible to swap the battery pack, rent it for a few days, upgrade the battery, in my opinion makes NEO EVs futureproof and somewhat isolated from depreciation.
Sustainability is about the four R's, Reduce, Reuse, Repair and Recycle, super expensive EV's, full of touchscreens, AI, difficult to repair, impossible to upgrade with high depreciation, isn't the answer to reducing C02 or filling landfills, the car ownership model was wrong and now is even wrong'er with EV's. I'm keeping my old Audi A3 until I can buy a NEO ET5T I think.
@@donaldduck5731 I saw that video too. In the US with the $4k used ev instant subsidy, a depreciated ev is a good option. Available once a year on 2 year or older cars under $25k. The big depreciation on new evs makes used a viable alternative. The used cars have no performance loss. Sell he A3.
Sam,I found this info on the UA-cam channel 'Fully charged show', the last material from yesterday:
1) Samsung says that they have already started producing solid-state batteries for EV on a battery production line.
2) The chinese SAIC said that starting with next year, 2025, they will have solid-state batteries in the chinese MG4 EV cars.
solid state is the next thing. its just a problem to bring the cost low enough to mass producrion.
@@kunchen3278 They SAY lots of things. Some of them they even believe are true 🙂.
Much ❤ Viking, best of luck 4 the US trip 🍀
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I'd be surprise if solid-state batteries aren't used in affordable cars by 2030.
Toyota need to change their name to kodak
😂sure....
@@jb5nf when they start bringing out cars with 1000km range and 10 min charge times wtf Is gonna want one of their hybrids.
@@tysonfinn1470 Exactly
@@tysonfinn1470 Forgot to add: Priced under 10 thousand dollars
@@tysonfinn1470 And non exploding batteries
What I need is a battery that will take me 280 miles at 70 mph and charge in 25 minutes.most people need a small break after about three hours. That’s 210 miles that’s all you need for vacations or going to the cabin. 95% of the time you will charge at home or the cabin. Lfp is close and cheap. We’re almost there.
That's already here
@@larryc1616 Need that in -20 below for winter where I am so need about 600 miles per battery
That’s good but when you get to a charge point and there’s a queue of several cars as there isn’t anywhere nearly enough public chargers then that “25 min” stop becomes……and not everyone will have their own “cabin with charger either” this all sounds like perfect world situation which we don’t live in, maybe the high end owner do.
Solid State Battery Technology ready for BEV's is the Holy Grail for the industry. When it happens, it's Game Over for ICE/Hybrid vehicles !
We are a long long way from that claim. I like new tech and follow sites like this one but the idea we are just about to magically switch over is a fantasy. This headlong rush is simply a very costly mistake that will see the end for some manufacturers.
I bought the 12v Ohmmu SSB to swap out my led acid 12v for my model 3 after you made a video about it a while a go. The SSB was so incredibly light compared to the led acid i took out. I have had absolutely no problems after installing it. I really hope it will last for 10 years or more.
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Hey, Sam, thank you for your great channel. Hope about covering Aptera? For those unaware, Aptera is a California EV startup making the most efficient PRACTICAL car the world has ever seen.
He mentioned them in the video about solar paint.
All I know is Aptera has had an "owners club" for over a decade but nobody owns an Aptera.
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True Sam it will never stop getting better
Supposedly the MG4 will have a solid state battery in 2025.
Considering that MG has been a year behind BYD for the last few years, I doubt they will beat BYD to Solid State, the MG4 drives great and is a nice car to drive, just drove one yesterday :), I also drove the MGZS EV and it was a nice small SUV to drive as well, not sure what the Car experts are talking about as far as the handling and how it goes on our roads ?
I have driven every affordable EV as the Wife and I are going to buy one July next year, depending on what special deals they offer and I am thinking it will be a BYD ATTO3, unless the MG drops it's price as the BYD is a better buy at the same price as the MG.
@@billybobjones4317 It depends whatever you have access to those batteries or not. Qing Tao will be releasing their semi solid to the market this year and SAIC already own half of the company.
@billybobjones4317 Even though xioami and huawei is behind samsung, they always make first products of any innovation. Samsung makes prototype but others enter market first.
This is the exact thing that will happen with mg and byd.
Byd will make prototype and mg will launch on market.
Replacing successful incumbent technologies often takes much longer than most anticipate. They may conquer the challenges limiting SSBs over the next five years, but the current technologies will continue to improve also. While we might see SSBs in niche applications sooner, I suspect it will be a decade or more before we see them as the go-to battery in our everyday cars.
Toyota is like the frog in the water that’s turned up to boil. They are in far greater trouble than they realize and they’ll figure it out when it’s too late - then ask for a government hand out.
Automakers need to mass produce cars that sell in today's market, not 5-10 years from now. And that is why Toyota has the largest profits among all automakers.
@@yo2trader539they are further in debt than any company in the world
@@yo2trader539the cars Toyota (or any automaker) sell today were designed up to a decade ago
Toyotas strategy is a successful one as they sell hybrids hand over fist as EV sales plateau. EVs will be viable on mass when infrastructure and solid state batteries arrive.
@@GlowingTubeinfrastructure is being rolled out, but it’s a worn out argument that one follows the other. Which should come first? Do you think Ford or Dodge bros etc would wait until filling stations were ubiquitous?
Solid state batteries could end up in budget EVs, but expect them to be smaller batteries, weighing less. Most people don't need more than 300 miles range now. As EV charger infrastructure builds out, we will find the minimum practical range will drift downward. Budget vehicle range will drift downward as well.
Exactly the opposite. In cold weather running the heater in your car.... If you want any kind of decent range you're going to need a 800 mi range battery... Just to get that 300
Smaller battery packs with higher capacity cells may not sacrifice range, if weight is reduced then a cars efficiency will increase gaining range. It is likely that a 300 miles car with higher capacity will be cheaper due to a smaller lower cost pack delivering a similar range to larger pack EVs currently. Premium cars will likely jump up to next next range level (500+ miles) by retaining the larger pack size as now.
People keep saying this but just realize.. And i sincerely hope you do that only fanatics say that. I would say people want at least 400 miles for true mass adoption and honestly i think it might be 500. And there has to be affordable options with this range. We still can't see that EVs are still in it's infancy.
There will be choices in battery size like budget and long range models
@@MudflyWatersman Modern EVs don't lose that much range when you have the heater on a few times an hour. Sure, if you run the heater at 30c for hours on end... but then again, not many people want to be that warm in a car and not everyone lives in those types of temperatures year round. Let's buy things that make sense for the vast majority of journeys rather than worrying about that single journey.
I suspect SSB will be in the luxury cars or like a special top-end trim called super range for a hefty price tag. Anyway, it's expected, things need to scale for it to get cheap. Regular Li-ion took years to get to the cheap prices it is at today.
Sam, I appreciate the work you do! All the best to your wife, kids and you!
I’m still waiting for affordable home storage batteries! Prices are falling, but too slowly. An Enphase or Tesla home battery is still more than $1000 US per kWh. Given existing technology, the average American, European or Australian home will need 30-50 kWh of storage for individual homeowners to be able to generate and store their own energy for their homes and cars.
And, given the devastation from storms last week in the SE US abs in Nepal, we cannot afford to keep using fossil fuels for much longer.
You can use marine batteries or nickel/iron (as used in locomotives) which are much cheaper.
Pretty sure 100ah 48v server rack batteries are under $1000 a kwh
Thanks for the report Sam
Any time!
Enjoy your Cali trip!
Thank you! Will do!
@@electricvikingYou should take some pictures of all the EVs on the road in California, and create a photo collage.
And take a picture when you stop at a red light, and find six Teslas lined up at the intersection.
what can you say about LFMP batteries? Manganese sulphate plants are under development near CATL and other large battery manufacturers.
Sam: hope you have a great trip to Los Angeles and Disneyland!!!
MG announced solid state batteries for MG4 in 2025 🤔👌
I'm sure that the Viking was singing the praises of BYD and their Blade 2 battery!
Solid state is coming, but it's probably 3 or 4 years before it starts to replace LFP.
They are working on solid state sodium batteries as well, for great price and high range.
Thanks Sam. Be great if you tell us about other batteries sometime. I want to make my own battery bank for the solar panels at home. Looking online is a minefield and often out of date.
Some of the CATL's 2025 lithium batteries beat what some solid state battery makers claim for ss batteries years away from mass production. Nevertheless in theory it makes sense a more dense medium like solid state will eventually win out.
Solid state will face difficult to beat mass production of cheap and robust LPF battery
Seems Amprius current battery offerings are already competitive with solid state batteries of the future, if solid state ever becomes a thing, due to their complex and expensive production process. Not to mention the 0-80% fast charge in insane 6 minutes Amprius batteries already offers.
According to Samsung, their solid state batteries will be very expansive and install in high end car models.
They will drop in price in no time with increased mass production and competition.
In laptop, mobile and energy storage for governments??@@Matt_K
the Belguim resurge Imec groep anounce a prototype battery ( 1070 wh/L)
SS is just the style/substrate. You can still make a Lifepo4 SS im relatively certain of that :)
Due to the charging TIME anxiety, not so much range anxiety, I believe a battery that can do about 1,000km will do a lot to win the range anxiety petrol guzzlers over, and convert them. Reason being, people don’t want to have to charge a battery every 300km on a long trip. But they won’t mind so much if they can travel 6 or 700km before having to charge, and then can do so during lunch or dinner break. Plus, those in townships working, or regional who travel 100km daily, will also be very happy to charge at home every other day. Make sense? Solid state if it can get to this will win for sure
Nio's 150 kWh semi-solid state battery is the same weight as the second gen 100 kWh NCM battery. This has been confirmed by the Chinese car regulator.
SAIC has opened order intake for the IM L6 with 130 kWh semi-SSB (and 800 hp) for something like US$50.000 iirc, with deliveries starting this year. The battery comes from the manufacturer Qingtao.
I guess we're going to see quite a few new semi-SSB batteries next year in China.
With the recent price drops for raw materials I guess LFP is now roughly the same price or maybe even cheaper than sodium-ion. I don't think any of the sodium-ion cars announced actually made it to the market, since there's no need for it right now.
A lot of bla bla bla, which isn't interesting for regular consumers. They just want affordable means of transportation.
Toyota just got a fat funding from Japanese government to develop LFP battery which will be obsolete. Speaking about messiah who preaches solid state many years ago and now getting free money from government for a yesterday tech. Way to go Toyota
Electric Viking, what would make your show a lot more valuable would be covering off technology that people can buy in the west.
5 year time horizon, is a really, really short timeline believe it or not. This is a huge change. Not everyone knows that when the Chicxuclub impactor hit Earth the dinosaurs actually didn't all die immediately - they took 30,000 years before the last one expired. I'd be in Tesla and Byd now before Toyota for sure. Good work Viking!
MG announced in Uk that the MG 4 will get solid state batteries next year, however dig into the information and its semi solid state
Samsung has em. Going to production. I'm more excited about the GM and CATL high speed charging of cheap lfp
Why cant I get : CR2 , CR123 batteries here in Thailand ?
Toyota spent 8 billion dollars in R & D in comparison to BYD's 5.7 Billion US dollars in 2023. BYD nearly doubled its R&D in 2023. Who spent more in terms of the size of the company especially one is more specialized in Battery technology. BYD got Solar panel, EV Buses, semiconductor, monorail etc.,
Sandy Monro said yesterday that there are no real solid state batteries yet.
QS & ILIKF already making them on a demonstration scale.
This has been going on for the last decade at least. Until they actually show up in a car, these are just lies.
@myhome772 same here. Or the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. My father in law has one and he loves it.
Of course it only works if you can charge it up at home, which we cant in our building.
The speed of innovation is what gives me pause on buying an EV. I understand that the resale value is going to start to look like any consumer device, I tend to drive cars for 10 to 15 years. In that timeframe, will the car I am driving become unmaintainable at some point before I'm ready to retire it? Probably not. But it gives me pause.
You drive ice for 15 years, what is your fuel cost and maintenance costs versus a new or used EV?
I am in the same position as you. I kept my last car for just over 11 years and my current car is coming up to 11 years old.
I would recommend going for a car with an LFP battery and maybe buy a pre-reg or a car less than a year old so you won't lose as much on the depreciation.
If nothing better comes up in the next year, I will buy a Dolphin.
@@mickjoebills Oh. I recognize the probability that I'll save money over time. At least, on paper, today. I'm just wondering if we'll be turning these cars over more rapidly than we'd prefer because they are suddenly no longer repairable because the tech has moved forward so rapidly. If you know what I mean.
@@catherinegrimes2308 We will be on the market for a new car next year. We are on the fence with EV vs Hybrid. Probably will go with an EV, but … we'll see. I suspect maybe people have similar concerns.
@@mickjoebills Nobody knows whether modern BEVs will last 15 years. The uncertainty is why it's so difficult to accurately price or chart a depreciation curve of a used BEV. Indeed software can be updated like OS, but the bottle-neck will always be with the hardware. Even if it physically lasts, would you want to be using an old computer/smartphone for 15 years? It just becomes easier to replace every 5 to 7 years so.
Toyota's 2016 Solid State battery never arrived, and now they're faced with an absolutely colossal recall and replacement of over 100,000 Engines in Toyota and Lexus vehicles in the US. Not heard of it? Imagine what you would be hearing if it was Tesla doing something like that,
That's nothing Toyota have over one and a half million recalls for faulty airbags
Hopefully solid state can solve the lithium battery incendiary problem before the insurance underwriters jump in whereas hybrids can use NiMh batteries in a safety tradeoff.
Solid state baterai,more SAVE fast charging,mire density than sodium but mire expensive,match fir USA n EU , ,Good fir good people
Cheers bro
It’s said that the MG4 is claimed to be coming with a solid state battery next year according to the latest news from fully charged. But we will have to see.
What batteri working good in -20 or -30 degree celsius?
Solid state batteries should be more resilient to that. They are looking into things like having a battery heater for when it gets that low, which would probably need some warm-up time before they're fully operational.
I will consider a ssb rather than a lithium battery simply because of the reduced fire risks and improved mileage compared to today's ev that are available now.
Ford and Toyota will be producing batteries in the u.s. next year. Hopefully lfp at half the cost.
Northvolt couldn''t.
ROFLMAO
Samsung just released their new solid state batteries. Still expansive, but it works, in cars.
According to Samsung today, their 600mile EV battery can charges in 9 minutes from 10% to 80% and do 1 miljoen miles . . . . 500Wh per kg.
For the next few years in high end EV's but within 5 years in standard EV's.
Hi Sam. Nio's claim is not outside the bounds on EV claims. Mototrend has a real world efficiency test on EVs. The most efficient car they tested did 3.6mpkwh which was a hyndai ionic. 3.6mpkwh gets about 540miles on a 150kwh battery. This is in line with what people aregetying from the Nio battery.
The fact that in 2024 people are driving nearly 1000km on a single charge is significant. This battery makes range anxiety a thing of the past.
Within this decade solid state batteries will start being adopted. By the 2030s, it will be adopted in all EV cars, and probably in devices like phones, cordless tools, anything that requires a battery.
From min 9:50, first you talking about a 1M km warranty few seconds later it is a 1M mile guarantee. What is it, it makes a +60% difference!
Better and cheaper batteries are clearly necessary for electric vehicles to fully reach their potential. However, competition to get there first means that a lot of money is being spent solving almost the same problem many times over. That slows the industry as a whole. If I'm an investor, how do I know which of the dozens or hundreds of different battery rersearch programs will break through? Truth is, nobody knows at this point. That would make me wait until the situation is a little clearer. That limits the pace.
I just want an ev with long range as soon as possible.
Blade battery v2, solid battery ... it doesn't matter.
Also what is the recyclability of ss cells? If it makes them harder and more energy intensive to recycle then there is no point other than special applications like aircraft.
There are companies working on high recycleable battery designs, well suited to flight. The are designed to support automated end of life recycling back into battery grade resource integrated into battery manufacturing lines.
Planes will likely have flight specific optimised battery packs (or containers) that are swappable for off plane charging and servicing increasing flight turnaround time.
Also, Lithium-Air batteries are being investigated for flight having current energy density of 1700wH/kg, with both electrolyte and solid state chemistries being investigated. Currently they have a low cycle life (
ET7 drivers have got 1000 km out of the 150kWh semi solid state NIO battery. So, the battery isn't a fake. But, it is oversold. The 100kWh battery in the ET7 provides about 770 km in range (based on the CLTC cycle) so the 150kWh battery, if it scaled linearly, would provide around 1155 km. So, clearly, it either doesn't scale linearly or its energy density is overstated. Now, the 150kWh battery only weighs about 20kg more than the 100kWh battery so near linear scaling ought to be possible.
In my estimation, the battery is underperforming by roughly 7 - 8% (there is some guesswork in that calculation). The energy density seems to be more in the 330 - 335Wh/kg range than the stated 360Wh/kg. Either that or there is more untapped potential in this battery.
Aren't you in the USA now? I hope you have a good trip.
1 million km is 621,890 miles.
If you drive an average of 12k to 20k miles a year the battery should last 51.82 to 31.09 years.
Will other parts of your car last that long?
Will CATL still be around after that?
I'm guessing that battery tech will have evolved in that time, and that battery replacements will be difficult as they wont be backwards compatible with your car if it lasted that long.
what about quantum scape? they have been working for years on this and have sent samples to many companies including approval form VW. maybe ina couple of years they will have it
Maybe pigs might fly?
Toyota are following the Sony route, for those of us that remember the Betamax/VHS battle of some 45 years ago?
MG said they will have Solid State batteries in their MG4 next year.
If solid state batteries go into mass production that will cause lithium ion battery prices to drop. However, there is some risk they will not be allowed in cars in some markets to keep cars from getting too cheap. For example they could lobby to get lithium batteries banned because of fire risk or some other BS reason to force people to buy expensive solid state battery vehicles.
Solid state batteries use more lithium than lithium ion batteries, a lot more
Sodium ion SS
Development will speed up quite vastly due to computer learning in the next decade.
Of course super new technology isn't going into the cheap, sold most by the numbers, models. It takes time to scale up. It takes a lot of money to develop new things. If it's better and you can ask more for it, it's best to put it in the bigger, or more expensive models since that helps to recoup on the development costs while production is scaled up. Early adopters and all that. We have been there plenty times before.
i’m new to subject but imo it totally depends on one company like byd or tesla decides to use it in all their cars and market changes suddenly. Esp Elon Musk will market that to incrase their sales, he can risk. He likes to take risk anyways. :)
Sam a solid state battery has different Cathode material, the electrolyte will be a form of pure Lithium. So it's yet another form of lithium battery chemistry.
I think cold fusion sustained reactions will come first lol.
Currently we can buy 1.0 litre 3 cylinder cars of 5l v8s. It will be the same in the future with batteries!
But these tiny engines don't last very long. All turbo charged. So 60k miles and shortly after that it's game over.
MG4 to come with solidstate battery next year.
What about planes for solid state? Do they make more sense from a weight/power perspective?
But yet, the race is on. Reason: lithium-ion batteries with _liquid_ electrolytes are very flammable at times and when the fire starts, there's no stopping it even with the best firefighting chemicals.
Ganfeng lithium is already manufacturing solid state batteries, take a look into them
you still use tapes for data storage, spinning disc hdd too, even when your pc uses ssd. there are places that will use those other types of batteries too.
A good example.
The specific needs of different applications, transport, grid storage, and every other niche, they will all choose the cheapest battery tech to fit the need.
You wonder that because countries stated all companies had to get battery powered by a certain date the investment went wild and the advance in batteries was ballistic, if the same had been said that all ICE’s had to have improvement by a date or else they could not be sold i expect the investment would also have been mind blowing and we would not need to look at EV tech.
No, it would not. Remember VW diesel gate scandal? Exactly, they would fake software data to "improve" ICE car emissions and hence no real improvement.
Toyota is like Elon. Next year, next year, next year.
Toyota delivers, while Elon keeps on dreaming of things we don't need.
What a BS you type. Elon delivers and unlike Toyota he admits that Cybertruck was a shot in a leg for Tesla but nevertheless, you have Cybertruck.
Toyota is going against entire world with its NO battery EV, and eventually it will be their downfall.
It takes 10 years to release a new battery, with huge pitfalls along the way. Energy density is only one component of success. Manufacturability, cost, cycle life and operating temperature are all factors. BYD saying solid state will be "here" in 5 years really means nothing.
It doesn't take 10 years. It can but that's not a hard number. Also solid state batteries have been in research for ages. There are already solid state batteries in use in mobile chargers and such.
They been around for awhile.
But couldn't make them reliable.
So time will tell if they will last.
Solid state technology is still emerging and not perfected as yet. That’s why it will be expensive at first when it is finally introduced to the market. As time passes, it will become cheaper.
The world has not spent 'hundreds of billions' on solid state batteries. Can't even say if they will ever add up to such a ludicrous amount. The technology will be surpassed before the world can invest 'hundreds of billions'.
If the stock has plummeted Toyota is being punished, quite hard...
I will consider a chinese car with solid state when europe drops all the tarifs. Ehich coincidentally coincide with the dropping or their own subsidies to the consumer. In germany you pay 1% of the purchase price yearly as a road tax, EV were exempt before (only listed ones made in europe). Plus they gave 5-10k in cash rebats. now that has all stopped sales tanked by 70%. So they put tarifs on chinese cars to compensate for their own inability to continue with subsidies
In the 2000's the general believed that flat screen tvs were only going to be premium for a long time to go and that 'normal' analog tvs would be in the budget market for decades to come. By 2005/6 the analog TV market was gone because flatscreens were much cheaper to produce.
You need to take a step back to make a prediction on solid-state batteries. The question you need to ask is 'how much do the raw materials cost that go into a solid-state battery compared to the raw material cost of a lithium battery with the same capacity'. If the raw material cost of the solid-state battery is lower, they will be in all cars faster than you think. In the medium to long run, the cost of the technological development of a product is irrelevant to the price of it. As the development costs have already been made in the past and most likely by someone else than the cuurent producer of these batteries.
I heard that the MG 4 was having solid state in 2025 ??? 😮😊
The advancements are amazing. 🤩 Even the new Model 3 Tesla (long range) that just came out now has an estimated 363 mile range, and some UA-camrs have done long distance test drives where they hit nearly 380 miles! Solid State batteries will be a total game changer. Longer ranges, charge faster, totally safe and eventually cheaper as well. I think 🤔 5 years until the first ones seems probable. But the are many non-solid state batteries 🔋 that will be coming out in the next few years before the solid states that will be quite an improvement as well…….
Indeed, I am getting around 600km (373miles) in my Mercedes EQE….changed from Tesla 3P (wife still has her Model X) to the EQE, wanted an S but cannot buy in Australia (RHD market). Overall I’d take an S over the EQE, but it is nice and very good on range.
Would the 4680 Tesla battery with dry cathode & anode, considered a solid state battery?
No - liquid electrolyte.
Yep... Japan with Toyota & vw for Germany.... doesn't look good internationally , I think vw has more purchase power on solid state batteries so let's see
Well Toyota has had huge problems with their turbo engines. It has nothing to do with the solid state stuff. ICE have clearly hit their max as these gas efficient Turbo engines have been nothing but trouble for all the manufacturers. The only path forward is electric.
Troubles there not die to the turbos but to bad good old piston rings that were designed and made wrong
@myhome772 Exacto. That and the exploding batteries thing
@myhome772 Like an extra 10 mins of time? You will be waiting that long as everyone tries to gas up on their way out.
@myhome772 Generally speaking, if the power is out the gas station can't pump.