A cool thing about Scatter Scree and Spout is that they target an area, not a creature. This means that you don't roll a flat check to miss if an enemy is concealed or hidden from you. :)
holy I used the spell as a druid and I didn't notice it I thought only the second application is just an area spell, what it even means: you can hit 4 tiny creatures with just the basic effect
Relevant to Protect Companion: it's notable that even if you can downcast cantrips (arguable as mentioned), you set their level on cast. Protect Companion has it's effect on a granted reaction, so it basically let's you retroactively downcast the cantrip, which certainly isn't RAW or RAI.
@@aneldritchdreamgames5925 A 5 foot emanation affects 27 squares :-P. But yeah, I think they were thinking of an emanation (and not considering 3 dimensions...)
@@ericrobinson2611 if it were an emenation yes, but its actually a burst and not an emanation so 4 squares above water and 4 below (as i assume it would have to be centered on the surface or under) Edit because brain dumb: yes, super fair in open water
Protect companion is great on summoners since they share HP with their Eidolon. Spending 10 HP to save 20 means that you effectively take 10 less damage.
10:43 The deafening effect is actually not that good, because the spell has the Auditory trait. If you deafen them, you can't hurt them with the cantrip for 1 minute.
If you're referring to Haunting Hymn it also has the sonic trait which means it can work even if the targets cant hear it. So maybe the spell still works on deafened creatures?
5:50 The spells says "chosen objects that are clearly visible". So presumably it does count fake copper coins, and excludes invisible copper coins or copper coins disguised as silver coins.
The party chirurgeon: I've got specialised tools intended to help me repair and heal the body. Me, an intellectual: I've got a jar of dir-irt. I've got a jar of dir-irt.
I think the real value of Haunting Hymn is against swarms. A level 3 Centipede Swarm is a terrifying opponent to most level 1 characters. "Weakness area damage 5" on a 30 HP creature, as opposed to "Resistances bludgeoning 5, piercing 5, slashing 2". Not to mention immune to Daze. Point of contention, not contrition :P Also, a 5ft burst is 4 squares around a corner, not 9 around a square.
Protect Companion's text might also be implying that you can choose to lower the effective level when using the reaction instead of just casting the spell.
Wouldn't infectious enthusiasm allow all of your ally's that saw you to get the +1 if they spend a action. It doesn't state that it goes away after one use.
Thanks for the vid! Love the content and commentary. I found myself missing your comments on the art that undoubtedly would've been included if you used the PDF, though. I understand not wanting to scroll all over the place and editing it all in, just thought you'd like to hear that at least one person misses your Paizo art commentary.
I really like Scatter Scree. You might even sometime want to use it on only one enemy sometimes to control where they go or sometimes use it without a target just to put some difficult terrain in a narrow point. It's also great if you have an ally with AoO next to a foe, letting you limit where they can Step and thus help the ally control the battlefield. Plus it makes the terrain even on a miss AND is an AoE for things that matters vs. It's good. Super good.
12:45 I'm fairly certain you do need to make a medicine check. The wording is "This restorative substance can be used in lieu of healer's tools for medicine checks", which I believe should be read as "(in lieu of healer's tools) (for medicine checks)". You substitute the tools, not the check - you just use the mud to make the check.
I think from how he's reading it, RAW, the illusory coins are not objects. It's fooled by silver coins glamoured to appear to be copper, or by small pebbles glamoured to appear to be coins, but it may not be fooled by copper coins appearing to exist where nothing at all is truly present.
Use dust of dryness to soak up water. Collect the bead. Keep the bead with a sling. When in battle throw the water bead with your sling then use spout. Would that work?
23:40 what I'm wondering: if you target a large creature who 2x2, can you use the spell to hit it 2times? Because you target the area, not the creature
Puff of Poison may be strong if the enemy is specifically weak vs poison, but it is terrifying to use. You must be so close to the enemy to use it that the punishing counter-attack they are about to hit you with is sure to make you a very sad caster.
That's what I've been doing for the last three sessions with my Magus. Until my sentient sword tried taking control of me, so I had to cut my sword-bearing arm at the elbow with the off-hand gouging claw. No idea what I'm going to do in the next session. DM has allowed me to change my hybrid study so I might go with the Laughing Shadow and use mage hand as a sorta prosthetic...
A Skill feat granting "Read The Air" to the user would be great tho, ngl. Maybe the character would need to be trained/expert in either/both Society and Diplomacy for it, but it would still be worth it.
I did some (poor) math: Assuming lowest average ( 2 for 1d4, 3 for 1d6, 4 for 1d8 ) and just +4 mod, A 10th level hauntinn hymm deals around 19 damage, while a 10th level produce flame deals 24 average, 10th level puff of poison is brutal cuz it still deals 24 damage WITHOUT taking the persistent damage into account. Personally i love save oriented feats, cuz im a big fan of Gishes, and having my spells and strikes compete for the MAP is something i usually cannot afford, the good thing is that atlus really did their job in bringing good non-eletric arc cantrips to the game, and i loved them. Great video NoNat, keep it up dude
Approximate should have heighten +1: know another significant digit. For examplw if there were 1837 coins in a pile at level 1 it would say 2000, at level 2 1800, level 3 1840, and level 4 1837.
Infectious enthusiasm's bonus is only negated when the target of the cha roll is seeing the spell bein cast. So you could stand behind them and give bonuses to your charisma-guy in social situations like if you where encouraging him discretely.
@@Nonat1s I wonder if it would work with some kind of scrying spell. It would be one of the most convoluted way and extremely specific way to get a +1.
One of my favorite combinations is Prestidigitation + Healing Plaster. Dirty your hands (or an object) with Prestidigitation, and then use the dirt for Healing Plaster. No mud or dirt needed in the area!
There's no language in prestidgitation that suggests you control what you 'soil' your clothes with. You might of course, but a dm could easily tell you that if mud or dirt are scarce, then prestidigitation might default to something that isn't, like blood or sand or grit. It could be either way; either the dm could feel you are using somantics to bypass a problem, or they could think you are being creative. Also, I have to wonder if prestidigitation can be used to produce a 'handful' of mud or dirt in any reasonable timeframes. That's a decent amount of material; if you could do that fairly quickly, then prestidigitation has some worrying uses over extended application.
My question about infectious enthusiasm is, when you use it in a social encounter, would your ally's check be affected? They didn't cast the spell that was observed.
Reminder Bursts start on corners of squares. A 5 foot burst effects 4 squares. A 5 foot emanation effects the 9 squares. I confuse this myself all the time. Love you all and only Crits here.
The text on protect companion is relevant regardless of whether you can voluntarily lower the spell level. The spell level is determined when you cast it, so you would most likely want the option to reduce the maximum amount. But the reaction triggers later. My reading of RAW is that cantrips can't be downcast, since it says "A cantrip is always automatically heightened to half your level, rounded up" (Core Rulebook pg 300, or archive of nethys "Cantrips"). It states it is automatic so it's not a choice. As a GM however i would always houserule this to allow downcasts in the very rare situation where it matters.
Healing Plaster is also rly cool if you have an ancestry that can pick a primal innate cantrip, tadaa now you always have a medicine kit. My thaumaturge always has a well sorted box with different kinds of "healing earth" in his backpack. (the box casts healing plaster whenever you open it on the earth inside it.)
NoNat: Why isn’t Read the Air a Society Skill Feat? NoNat: Approximate is such a good spell even though it’s just a worse Society skill feat: Eye for Numbers. Sorry for busting your chops here, but this just made me laugh.
Imagine using Bullhorn to deliver those heroic speeches to an army. I hope to someday hear about Boulder using The People's Gouging Claw. Rules as Written state that: "A cantrip is always automatically heightened to half your level, rounded up." Since it's automatic, that means you can't opt out. That means you can't cast your cantrip at a lower level. 100% agree on Read The Air.
Wash your luck seems like a great cantrip to me for characters that specify being cursed with bad luck in their backstory, casting that cantrip obsessively all the time so they aren't affected by misfortune's effect
nonat, I've created a manapool system that would replace the spells per day system. Would you like to try doing a video on why that would or wouldn't work in PF2E?
You tend to underestimate cantrips that heighten 1d6 every 2 levels. Essentially the spells only fall behind 1,5 damage pr. 2 levels, which at cantrip level 9 is 6 damage. That is nothing, especially when you start to account for chance to hit - those 6 points of damage will be more like 4 point in difference. Comparing Haunting Hymn to electric arc you have to take into account that HH is already behind on damage, but it has the potentialt to hit the most targets. It makes sense to compare it to Electric arc for arcane casters, and telekinetic projectile for occult casters. Comparing to an electric Arc targeting 2 creatures - on and beyond spell level 5 you need 3 targets for haunting hymn to be better at levels where haunting hymn got its heightened bonus, before that spell level 5 you need 4 targets. At levels where it didn't heightened you need 4 targets for it to outperform electric arc. So not only does it do what it is supposed to, it actually gets better at it with levels... For occult casters it is even better because the closest comparison is telekinetic projectile. HH allways outperforms telekinetic projectile with 3 targets, and HH with 2 targets outperforms telekinetic projectile at every level it got its heightened bonus. Once again, the damage difference gradually increases at higher levels. So HH does get better at what it is supposed to do with levels, and further it does outperform its closest related cantrips at what it should outperform it at.
to Wash you luck: Doesn't you only get immune for 10 minutes if you use the spell. So if you don't use it u could use it again and be fine again for 1 min? So technically you could use it over and over again until you hav to use it?
Does infectious enthusiasm only affect 1 other ally? It seems to me like any number of allies could take that action to benefit, which makes it a lot better IMO.
It's kinda weird that approximate cantrip exists, since eye for numbers does the same thing but you don't need to spent your cantrip slot on it since it's just a feat
So Read the Air provides a reason to roll Society more, is a status bonus that is often not provided by skill feats, and Society actually should see a decent bit of use in play, as I've run it. Society identifies humanoids, so it's great for Recall Knowledge versus basically all NPCs, and a skill feat in it gives you languages, which is huge for the party diplomancer. This is actually a further buff to those uses, and a cantrip is generally something I'd rate less valuable than a skill feat.
I think you missed the beauty of Gale Force. It's for druids or maguses who wade into combat. Not only can you do damage to 2+ enemies around you, which adds up altogether, but the knock back 1) breaks flanking for at least one enemy's turn, 2) forces melee enemies to waste an action moving back towards you or party members. You LOVED the Slow spell in another video because it wastes enemy actions. Think of this as another "enemy action waster" to enjoy.
I would allow approximate to see past ...say an illusory coin pile. Simply because thats a hyper unique situation and an opportunity to reward my players for being clever.
It would lead to him being conflicted about hurting the small, blind girl who he is fighting. At least until the Smiling Bandit wipes the ring with you...
Society is the skill used to recall knowledge and identify humanoid creatures. So things like knowing if this Elf combatant is a swashbuckler, a rogue, a ranger, a dex-based fighter, or a monk using monastic weapons.
Spout. A 5 foot burst is not 9 squares. That would be a 5 foot emanation surrounding that target square. A 5 foot burst targets a corner and hits the 4 squares around that corner.
I would say that if Aproximate can be fooled by paint, it can surely be fooled by magic. If anyone would reasonably identify something as something else, then the spell would consider that to be the truth. As such, if someone was disguised as someone else, or there was an illusion of someone next to the real one like Mirror Image, the spell would consider them to be real.
There's no such thing as downcasting in the rules. GMs can fiat it, but casting a spell from a slot is always casting it at that level, and casting a cantrip is always heightened to the maximum level. So yes, you can't downcast. Honestly, I have no problem with GMs allowing it. But keep in mind, even if you *could* downcast this, this lets you make the choice when you use the reaction vs when you actually cast the spell (and don't know how much damage is coming in).
I think I'd use Tame to give me an opportunity to play with the animals and make friends beyond the spell duration. And then I'd diabolically... be friends with all the animals in town. I wouldn't have to worry about some jerk's attack dogs, and if someone was after me, I'd have dozens of furry buddies watching my back. Also, I'd have dogs and cats and horses to play with if I get bored.
But..I Like PDF format of spells, race and archrtypes. It was cool, with good atmosphere. Not this Black Background style :L Aon good for searching on phone, but it is kinda wierd for presentation type
I hope Oracle gets more utility spells with this, because they killed the Oracle in 2e and made him an almost exclusive blaster/healbot with USELESS Battle and Ancestor, and Lore
A cool thing about Scatter Scree and Spout is that they target an area, not a creature.
This means that you don't roll a flat check to miss if an enemy is concealed or hidden from you. :)
holy
I used the spell as a druid and I didn't notice it
I thought only the second application is just an area spell,
what it even means: you can hit 4 tiny creatures with just the basic effect
slight correction, 5 foot burst does not mean a 3x3 square. bursts are centered on a corner of a space, so a 5 foot burst is actually a 2x2 square
Bard with the wrestler dedication, enters arena, casts Bullhorn ..." Now listen here brother!" Golarian Wrestling Federation is created.
Nonat giving a list of reasons why he's using AoN: "Also...Also...Also..."
Me: "Also dark mode is better for my eyes..."
Relevant to Protect Companion: it's notable that even if you can downcast cantrips (arguable as mentioned), you set their level on cast. Protect Companion has it's effect on a granted reaction, so it basically let's you retroactively downcast the cantrip, which certainly isn't RAW or RAI.
For Spout, isn’t a 5-foot burst only 4 squares, not 9?
This, its still good though. I think Nonat was thinking a 5 foot emanation
@@aneldritchdreamgames5925 A 5 foot emanation affects 27 squares :-P. But yeah, I think they were thinking of an emanation (and not considering 3 dimensions...)
@@ericrobinson2611 only if you have line of effect, standing on solid ground would have it be 18 :P
@@aneldritchdreamgames5925 I guess you're right for a shallow area of water, but the squares above you would still be affected. I was thinking a pond.
@@ericrobinson2611 if it were an emenation yes, but its actually a burst and not an emanation so 4 squares above water and 4 below (as i assume it would have to be centered on the surface or under)
Edit because brain dumb: yes, super fair in open water
Protect companion is great on summoners since they share HP with their Eidolon. Spending 10 HP to save 20 means that you effectively take 10 less damage.
10:43
The deafening effect is actually not that good, because the spell has the Auditory trait. If you deafen them, you can't hurt them with the cantrip for 1 minute.
If you're referring to Haunting Hymn it also has the sonic trait which means it can work even if the targets cant hear it.
So maybe the spell still works on deafened creatures?
5:50
The spells says "chosen objects that are clearly visible". So presumably it does count fake copper coins, and excludes invisible copper coins or copper coins disguised as silver coins.
Since Spout is an AOE, it's great against invisible enemies and swarms.
Might have to add Pathfinder to my TT supplies.
The party chirurgeon: I've got specialised tools intended to help me repair and heal the body.
Me, an intellectual: I've got a jar of dir-irt. I've got a jar of dir-irt.
I think the real value of Haunting Hymn is against swarms. A level 3 Centipede Swarm is a terrifying opponent to most level 1 characters. "Weakness area damage 5" on a 30 HP creature, as opposed to "Resistances bludgeoning 5, piercing 5, slashing 2". Not to mention immune to Daze.
Point of contention, not contrition :P
Also, a 5ft burst is 4 squares around a corner, not 9 around a square.
I'm about to tip my toes into the game, how would haunting hymn affect dresna and her don't cause fear anathema?
@@johanhalvarsson2148 It deals sonic damage, not mental, and doesn't cause Frightened. I think it's more of a deafening wail. Seems fine to me.
Protect Companion's text might also be implying that you can choose to lower the effective level when using the reaction instead of just casting the spell.
I saw Aqueous Orb used to gobble enemies and then Spout hitting all victims inside the orb. Combod with two casters, it was hilarious to witness.
Wouldn't infectious enthusiasm allow all of your ally's that saw you to get the +1 if they spend a action. It doesn't state that it goes away after one use.
Yes. The first sentence even uses the plural, 'allies'. The allies each have to use their own action in order to get the benefit.
Thanks for the vid! Love the content and commentary. I found myself missing your comments on the art that undoubtedly would've been included if you used the PDF, though. I understand not wanting to scroll all over the place and editing it all in, just thought you'd like to hear that at least one person misses your Paizo art commentary.
Anyone else feel like Gouging Claw is going to be the new Shocking Grasp for a Magus? :P
I really like Scatter Scree. You might even sometime want to use it on only one enemy sometimes to control where they go or sometimes use it without a target just to put some difficult terrain in a narrow point. It's also great if you have an ally with AoO next to a foe, letting you limit where they can Step and thus help the ally control the battlefield.
Plus it makes the terrain even on a miss AND is an AoE for things that matters vs. It's good. Super good.
Cleric: I need bandages!
Druid: Here, have some mud.
And this video is why Prestidigitation is one of the most important cantrips ever. Thank you.
12:45 I'm fairly certain you do need to make a medicine check. The wording is "This restorative substance can be used in lieu of healer's tools for medicine checks", which I believe should be read as "(in lieu of healer's tools) (for medicine checks)". You substitute the tools, not the check - you just use the mud to make the check.
Approximate: "The spell is automatically fooled by objects disguised as other objects"
I would make that count for illusions as well ^^
But could be an amazing hightened effect ^^
I think from how he's reading it, RAW, the illusory coins are not objects. It's fooled by silver coins glamoured to appear to be copper, or by small pebbles glamoured to appear to be coins, but it may not be fooled by copper coins appearing to exist where nothing at all is truly present.
Use dust of dryness to soak up water. Collect the bead. Keep the bead with a sling. When in battle throw the water bead with your sling then use spout. Would that work?
That is... so much effort for no payoff.
23:40 what I'm wondering: if you target a large creature who 2x2, can you use the spell to hit it 2times?
Because you target the area, not the creature
AFAIR, it's explicit part of the rules that a burst only hits once per target.
Puff of Poison may be strong if the enemy is specifically weak vs poison, but it is terrifying to use. You must be so close to the enemy to use it that the punishing counter-attack they are about to hit you with is sure to make you a very sad caster.
Imagine Gouging claw with spellstrike, morphing the weapon/ammunition used to strike... That's quite hilarious!
OKAY HOLD ON, THAT'S ACTUALLY SUPER COOL. Plus you could enter a slashing or piercing cascade stance.
That's what I've been doing for the last three sessions with my Magus. Until my sentient sword tried taking control of me, so I had to cut my sword-bearing arm at the elbow with the off-hand gouging claw. No idea what I'm going to do in the next session. DM has allowed me to change my hybrid study so I might go with the Laughing Shadow and use mage hand as a sorta prosthetic...
@@Nonat1s Also, Gouging Claw is the best damaging cantrip for Spellstrike.
@@Nonat1s I'm pretty sure Gouging Claw was specifically designed as a cantrip for Spellstriking Magi.
@@Nonat1s Telekinetic projectile is basically the same (best scaling damage + choice of physical type), without the bleed on crit.
I think the wording on Protect companion is to keep the spell harder to dispell while not taking more damage than you have to.
A Skill feat granting "Read The Air" to the user would be great tho, ngl.
Maybe the character would need to be trained/expert in either/both Society and Diplomacy for it, but it would still be worth it.
I did some (poor) math:
Assuming lowest average ( 2 for 1d4, 3 for 1d6, 4 for 1d8 ) and just +4 mod, A 10th level hauntinn hymm deals around 19 damage, while a 10th level produce flame deals 24 average, 10th level puff of poison is brutal cuz it still deals 24 damage WITHOUT taking the persistent damage into account.
Personally i love save oriented feats, cuz im a big fan of Gishes, and having my spells and strikes compete for the MAP is something i usually cannot afford, the good thing is that atlus really did their job in bringing good non-eletric arc cantrips to the game, and i loved them.
Great video NoNat, keep it up dude
Approximate should have heighten +1: know another significant digit.
For examplw if there were 1837 coins in a pile at level 1 it would say 2000, at level 2 1800, level 3 1840, and level 4 1837.
Infectious enthusiasm's bonus is only negated when the target of the cha roll is seeing the spell bein cast. So you could stand behind them and give bonuses to your charisma-guy in social situations like if you where encouraging him discretely.
LIKE A HEADSET IN A SPY MOVIE
@@Nonat1s I wonder if it would work with some kind of scrying spell. It would be one of the most convoluted way and extremely specific way to get a +1.
@@Ultra_DuDu I would allow this lol.
One of my favorite combinations is Prestidigitation + Healing Plaster. Dirty your hands (or an object) with Prestidigitation, and then use the dirt for Healing Plaster.
No mud or dirt needed in the area!
There's no language in prestidgitation that suggests you control what you 'soil' your clothes with. You might of course, but a dm could easily tell you that if mud or dirt are scarce, then prestidigitation might default to something that isn't, like blood or sand or grit. It could be either way; either the dm could feel you are using somantics to bypass a problem, or they could think you are being creative.
Also, I have to wonder if prestidigitation can be used to produce a 'handful' of mud or dirt in any reasonable timeframes. That's a decent amount of material; if you could do that fairly quickly, then prestidigitation has some worrying uses over extended application.
16:00 doesn't infected enthusiasm would work in a group?
Like if 3 allys can see it, couldn't get everyone that bonus?
"I am very loud." Oh we can tell
Nonat. please make animal companions part-3 for all the new animal companions in the Grand Bazaar, there are quite a few... Or else! ohhh spooky
@Ghost Yuki LEGCHAIR
Hah, in the playtest i made a goblin animal druid named Gully. He had a bear companion named Boulder. So Boulder and Gully :)
My question about infectious enthusiasm is, when you use it in a social encounter, would your ally's check be affected? They didn't cast the spell that was observed.
Protect Companion is just straight nasty on an Eidolon. Since the damage to the Eidolon goes straight to your HP, it straight trades 2:1.
Reminder Bursts start on corners of squares. A 5 foot burst effects 4 squares. A 5 foot emanation effects the 9 squares. I confuse this myself all the time. Love you all and only Crits here.
What if a Summoner uses simultaneous action while using Infectious Enthusiasm?
The text on protect companion is relevant regardless of whether you can voluntarily lower the spell level. The spell level is determined when you cast it, so you would most likely want the option to reduce the maximum amount. But the reaction triggers later.
My reading of RAW is that cantrips can't be downcast, since it says "A cantrip is always automatically heightened to half your level, rounded up" (Core Rulebook pg 300, or archive of nethys "Cantrips"). It states it is automatic so it's not a choice. As a GM however i would always houserule this to allow downcasts in the very rare situation where it matters.
Healing Plaster is also rly cool if you have an ancestry that can pick a primal innate cantrip, tadaa now you always have a medicine kit. My thaumaturge always has a well sorted box with different kinds of "healing earth" in his backpack. (the box casts healing plaster whenever you open it on the earth inside it.)
Here’s why I like Read the Air as a spell: I had a spell slot I wasn’t using, and didn’t have a skill feat for this. Lol
One thing not mentioned about Bullhorn is it doesn't work with things like demoralize. That's what I wanted it for and it specifically doesn't work.
So can I cast spout on a water elemental?
NoNat: Why isn’t Read the Air a Society Skill Feat?
NoNat: Approximate is such a good spell even though it’s just a worse Society skill feat: Eye for Numbers.
Sorry for busting your chops here, but this just made me laugh.
My channel is 50% correct rules, 30% misreading rules, and 20% hypocrisy 😂
Love the spell vids
When is the Gunslinger Class Guide commin up?
Bullhorn is just: _"I'VE COME TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT-"_
Imagine using Bullhorn to deliver those heroic speeches to an army.
I hope to someday hear about Boulder using The People's Gouging Claw.
Rules as Written state that: "A cantrip is always automatically heightened to half your level, rounded up." Since it's automatic, that means you can't opt out. That means you can't cast your cantrip at a lower level.
100% agree on Read The Air.
Easy enough rule to change, so go with whatever you like. I don't think Paizo will interrupt your game to complain.
Wash your luck seems like a great cantrip to me for characters that specify being cursed with bad luck in their backstory, casting that cantrip obsessively all the time so they aren't affected by misfortune's effect
The fun fact of "Protect Companion" that if we use reaction and block 5 damage on Summoner...we still got 5 damage. for both
Does the class guide deep dives still continue?
Yep! I just stagger their release around other types of content!
Thank you very much!
nonat, I've created a manapool system that would replace the spells per day system. Would you like to try doing a video on why that would or wouldn't work in PF2E?
Heightened Bullhorn seems so fucking hilarious.
my conrasu druid player dont need healer tools. I allowed him to take his bark and use it for healing plaster
Alright, so what cantrip is the best for the Summoner Magical Understudy?
"That's so cool!" *Takes a sip of beer*
You tend to underestimate cantrips that heighten 1d6 every 2 levels. Essentially the spells only fall behind 1,5 damage pr. 2 levels, which at cantrip level 9 is 6 damage. That is nothing, especially when you start to account for chance to hit - those 6 points of damage will be more like 4 point in difference.
Comparing Haunting Hymn to electric arc you have to take into account that HH is already behind on damage, but it has the potentialt to hit the most targets. It makes sense to compare it to Electric arc for arcane casters, and telekinetic projectile for occult casters. Comparing to an electric Arc targeting 2 creatures - on and beyond spell level 5 you need 3 targets for haunting hymn to be better at levels where haunting hymn got its heightened bonus, before that spell level 5 you need 4 targets. At levels where it didn't heightened you need 4 targets for it to outperform electric arc. So not only does it do what it is supposed to, it actually gets better at it with levels...
For occult casters it is even better because the closest comparison is telekinetic projectile. HH allways outperforms telekinetic projectile with 3 targets, and HH with 2 targets outperforms telekinetic projectile at every level it got its heightened bonus. Once again, the damage difference gradually increases at higher levels.
So HH does get better at what it is supposed to do with levels, and further it does outperform its closest related cantrips at what it should outperform it at.
to Wash you luck: Doesn't you only get immune for 10 minutes if you use the spell. So if you don't use it u could use it again and be fine again for 1 min? So technically you could use it over and over again until you hav to use it?
(Casts Bullhorn)
“3249 Stone of Jordan’s have been sold!”
“That is all.”
Does infectious enthusiasm only affect 1 other ally? It seems to me like any number of allies could take that action to benefit, which makes it a lot better IMO.
It's kinda weird that approximate cantrip exists, since eye for numbers does the same thing but you don't need to spent your cantrip slot on it since it's just a feat
Approximate would be really flavorful on a Dhampir
“Check out their entire Battle Zoo line of supplements.” Now all I can think of is P2E multivitamins.
6:35 to be fair without ever having seen you in person, I had a hunch you would be loud ;)
Well since divinations are ussualy counters to illusions, it would be nice.
Good as always
Wait but bursts start on corners not squares… spout’s just a 10x10
So Read the Air provides a reason to roll Society more, is a status bonus that is often not provided by skill feats, and Society actually should see a decent bit of use in play, as I've run it. Society identifies humanoids, so it's great for Recall Knowledge versus basically all NPCs, and a skill feat in it gives you languages, which is huge for the party diplomancer. This is actually a further buff to those uses, and a cantrip is generally something I'd rate less valuable than a skill feat.
Personally i allow players to cast Focus/Innate/Cantrips at any level they have available, though that i dont think is RAW.
I actually want to pick up a Cantrip deck just for Bullhorn.
Nonat lives in a society confirmed
I think you missed the beauty of Gale Force. It's for druids or maguses who wade into combat. Not only can you do damage to 2+ enemies around you, which adds up altogether, but the knock back 1) breaks flanking for at least one enemy's turn, 2) forces melee enemies to waste an action moving back towards you or party members. You LOVED the Slow spell in another video because it wastes enemy actions. Think of this as another "enemy action waster" to enjoy.
You could count the soldiers by counting boots and dividing by 2.
What if they're pirate soldiers?
Good job 💎💪🏽😉
10:20 I feel a bit sarcasm here
Imagine combo Spout with Aquos Orb...
I would allow approximate to see past ...say an illusory coin pile. Simply because thats a hyper unique situation and an opportunity to reward my players for being clever.
On Healing Plaster: How you gonna disrespect Witch like that? LMAO (Nah, understandable.)
If your druid has any geomancy, how about calling him The Boulder?
It would lead to him being conflicted about hurting the small, blind girl who he is fighting.
At least until the Smiling Bandit wipes the ring with you...
just wanna point out that a cubic foot is a unit of volume, not area.
Society is the skill used to recall knowledge and identify humanoid creatures. So things like knowing if this Elf combatant is a swashbuckler, a rogue, a ranger, a dex-based fighter, or a monk using monastic weapons.
Spout. A 5 foot burst is not 9 squares. That would be a 5 foot emanation surrounding that target square. A 5 foot burst targets a corner and hits the 4 squares around that corner.
What is approximate for when you can approximate something just by looking at it?
A 5' burst affects 8 squares. A 5 foot emanation (which is what you're describing) affects 27 squares.
No. It's clearly working on what you see. So, you'd still count all of the illusionary objects.
I would say that if Aproximate can be fooled by paint, it can surely be fooled by magic. If anyone would reasonably identify something as something else, then the spell would consider that to be the truth. As such, if someone was disguised as someone else, or there was an illusion of someone next to the real one like Mirror Image, the spell would consider them to be real.
2 months ago new, but yeah, so many books from paizo are making it a little hard to keep up with content.
Here, have a new sub!
Why thank you, good sir!! I shall take it with gusto!
There's no such thing as downcasting in the rules. GMs can fiat it, but casting a spell from a slot is always casting it at that level, and casting a cantrip is always heightened to the maximum level. So yes, you can't downcast. Honestly, I have no problem with GMs allowing it. But keep in mind, even if you *could* downcast this, this lets you make the choice when you use the reaction vs when you actually cast the spell (and don't know how much damage is coming in).
Algae for the algorith gods
... Society is also the skill to identify humanoids, which... are super common and all. Still, yeah, I like it as a skill feat, I'd agree.
if i were playing PF2e my Hobgoblin magus would use Bullhorn to make himself be heared when speaking when performing (he has a kabuki actor theme).
In the right campaign, Spout might be S tier.
Primer casters use TKP to launch Warhammer 40k minis at their enemies
7:39. WHATS YOUR NAME ? WHATS. YOUR. NAME? !!
I think I'd use Tame to give me an opportunity to play with the animals and make friends beyond the spell duration. And then I'd diabolically... be friends with all the animals in town. I wouldn't have to worry about some jerk's attack dogs, and if someone was after me, I'd have dozens of furry buddies watching my back. Also, I'd have dogs and cats and horses to play with if I get bored.
But..I Like PDF format of spells, race and archrtypes. It was cool, with good atmosphere. Not this Black Background style :L Aon good for searching on phone, but it is kinda wierd for presentation type
I hope Oracle gets more utility spells with this, because they killed the Oracle in 2e and made him an almost exclusive blaster/healbot with USELESS Battle and Ancestor, and Lore