The most MASSIVE Orange for Metal, and I wasn't expecting it | Orange OR-30
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I'm glad they added a presence knob! I just wish all the ORs (15, 30, 50, 100 etc) were even close to the same circuit lol
U ever even played the 100?
The 15 is also awesome
you crazy. The or100 is perfect how it is. Its the only amp I've kept. I've been thru a few oranges and the or100 hits the sweet spot for me. If it aint the or100, i make due with the axefx3.
@@shanesplanetshane3795 my point is that the or100 is very different than the or30, 15 etc. I’m sure the OR100 would blow my roof off and I hope to experience that soon
@@C0nnie sounds like a good excuse to own both..
Sounds great. It would be cool if you were to do a comparison video with a Rockerverb Mark III.
Not gonna lie, when these dropped I was a bit skeptical considering these cost $1,800 US, and it being only a single channel. That being said, that first 30 seconds have solidified this as probably my new favorite Orange! Gotta try one of these now
$1,800? But it's £1,800 in the UK... So it is cheaper in the US... Wonder if Orange will tell me why. Shipping it across the Atlantic lowers the price?
I bet $50 most the people spouting off about EL84s couldn't spot the difference between them, 6l6s and EL34s. I've toured with Grindcore bands playing EL84s and nobody thought my Amp wasn't enough. It's pretty hard to make the argument for anything over 30 tube watts these days and EL84s are usually the ones handling that wattage so...guitar players are dumb? Yeah. That's it lol
sounds great but not for $1800
I've been using a Rocker 30 head as my main amp for about 12 years now. It's awesome for metal. I don't really need another one any time soon but it's getting hard to resist the urge to start a small collection of 30W Class A Orange heads. This and an AD30TC would make a nice little trio...
I have the Rockerverb 50 amazing rock amp, reminds me of the old OR 120's the sound a cross between a
Plexi and HIWATT 100
I have been wanting orange to do higher wattage or15 for at least 8 years! People would always say just get the rockerverb, but the or15 has very little in common with the rockerverb. So pumped on this amp.
The preamp circuit is essentially the same between the RV and OR15 with just 2 components having a slightly different value
Nice tone, compare it to a rv mk3 with guptech eq in the loop. Think the presence need it and brings the rv to life. I ordered a king in yellow and check it on my rv too. Love your videos!!!
Tube Rectification(Tube Rectifiers) are the secret weapon in making a great tube amp, IMHO.
No, they're not.
Yes they are together with many others factors but they cause a nice sag in voltage that cause a bounce in dynamics and touch sensitivity
@@eyedunno8462tone deaf detected
@@IgnisIban So do low impedance chokes, lower screens and phase invertor filtering, PI coupling caps, etc. Tube rectifiers have their limits when it comes to filtering and capacitance in parallel with the main filtering caps as well as outright voltage, which is why Mesa uses two of them in their Dual Rectifier amp
@@eyedunno8462sure, if you reduce the filtering you’ll introduce more sag maming the amp less stiff, with or without rectifier, mess uses 2 rectifier to satisfy the demands of a quartet of tubes, yeah rectifiers have their capacitance limits, for 5u4 max 40uf reservoir which is kindy loose for most tubes but produces nice bounce and dynamics, and 5ar4 60 uf which is quite tight response for most tubes, the choke vs resistor gives more touch sensitivity and perceived headroom, the screen filtering also tightens the response so helps to not overload the rectifier limit, phase inverter would not introduce much sag, mostly distortion, specially a cathodyne one. On this orange I’m almost sure it have 47uf on reservoir and screen and a typical low tail phase inverter with a cascade 2 stage preamp and a cathode follower tome stacked, I’m not sure where Adrian Emsley add the local feedback but could be on the cathode follower stage as on a 5e7 bandmaster circuit. The negative feedback have strong impact on dynamics and sag, more negative feedback make the amp stiffer, less negative feedback make it looser more bouncy and spongier.
When this amp was anounced, I have to admit I thought who in their right mind would take this over a Rockerverb 50w mk III given that they almost cost the same (in Europe at least)?
But you made it sound super lethal and the punch control seems like a great add on. I still think Orange are somewhat competing with themselves releasing this amp but I'd love to A/B test one against my RV50 to find out first hand.
This. I recently bought a RV MKIII and thought why would anyone ever need this.
But now that the better demos (for high gain) are out it’s proving itself to be a little monster with massive tone. I’d love to shoot one out versus my RV as well
@@TobyKBTY I'd appreciate that shoot out -- not sure which of the RV 50/OR 30 to buy
Dude, you have to hear The MatAmp Green GT-120!!!
Chuggy Chuggerton
Correction: Chuggy McChuggerton
@@sjones3891chuggs McGee 😬
The single SM57 setup is truly one that I appreciate. That's the real deal! Love your videos and tone!
Best mic ever made in the world
Best mic ever made in the world
I’d be the most logical consumer for this OR30 - but I already have and ❤ my OR100, which is a 2 channel, 100W super loud, tons of mids and low end behemoth: a chunky and chuggy version of the OR15. OR100 can power scale down to 30W.
If you’re in the market for an OR30 that costs about $1800 new; you might be in the market for a more versatile OR100 that is discontinued, but average costs around $2000 used - only a $200 or so difference.
damn right! LOVE my or100. Its the only amp I kept. So many power options and the loop is so clean. Hell, I run it full power all the time, I just use an fx unit in loop to control output volume. It can sound amazing even at low final volumes. I got my or100 and 2x12ppc cab with roll case, for about $1500 used, 10 years ago. The amp is still mint as new and I use it all the time. Im pretty sure the market has leveled off at $1500-$2k on the head. Not that Im even contemplating selling mine. CLean channel headroom for days, can really get those 2/12's to pop. Thank goodness they put a bass knob on it, as itll bass you to the moon.
I have to be fucking honest. This is by far one of the most beautiful sounds you've ever had on your vids, and they are great everytime, but this is huuuge.
I don’t feel like Orange gets the love it deserves. Wow this one really sounds rad! I’m feeling that it’s hitting a well rounded tonal range. The drive crushes! 🤘🤘
The Orange Rockerverb Mark III 100 pulled me away from every other amp out there and I haven't looked back.
@@dreamsofcosmicoceans8105 I’m definitely gonna take another look at them. I’m feeling this one for sure!
I owned four el84 tube amps before buying the Orange Rocker 32. That amp is the first el84 tube amp that feels like a big bottle tube amp. I don't know what Orange did but they made this amp have that fat 6L6 or EL34 thickness. Usually I have to dial up the Bass to get more of what I want to hear with the el84 tubes but with the Orange it just sounds fat like I want and tube amp to sound right out of the box.
Haven't tried the rocker but I have an or15 and people say the same thing about it and I'd have to agree.
So the GZ34 rectifier tube is basically a 5AR4. Tube Amp Doctor or TAD has a plug and play solid state replacement that goes for about 20 bucks shipped, and there's a few others available as well, including a THD electronics one that I have heard good things about. Just in case you wind up keeping that amp and want to resolve any lack of attack or speed of response that having a tube rectified high gain amp may cause, especially with a quad of EL84's AND a tube rectifier together. In fact, given those two factors, I bet they had the doom/sludge player in mind. OH ALSO it has an extra 12AU7 late in the signal path for the loop. You should try running a cable stright from the send to the return to see what that effects loop can do to itself in terms of gain, it is two stages after all, and I think they're both before the master volume.
A clean channel would have been nice though.
I agree. At that price point, I'd expect a dual channel. Of course, 30watts aint much headroom for cleans. Hell, I can get my 100w to breakup on the clean channel, before it gets ungodly loud.
But it’s engl month!? 😅 great demo as always dude!
Man orange has some tone! Kirk used them for a bit amd turned me onto them. If the legend in crowbar says an amp is good then it must be!
Props for the leeway riff ✌️ I like this amp, would be better as a 50watter
There was an OR50, I had the reissue for ages. Wasn't as easy to dial in.
I would still pick up a used OR100 if I seen one though. The OR30 is amazing sounding, but the price is too expensive for me new.
Had some microphonic tubes in mine which was super lame, but aside from that I love this amp. Might be offloading a couple because this amp covers so much ground. With an sd-1 and gain at 1-2 o’clock it’s lethal, and if you kick off the sd-1 and roll your guitar volume back to 3-4 (pickup dependent) it’s almost perfectly clean. Responds better to rolling off the volume than any of my other amps. And with the presence dial and bright switch it you can get just the right amount of top end. And as you noted, stupid amounts of low end. If no one told you, I think most people would assume this is a 50w el34 or 6l6 amp.
100% will be replacing my OR15 with this at some point. The OR15 is amazing but would love to use it live and the OR30 would do just that.
This might be a replacement for my Jim Root Terror. It sounds amazing!
That presence knob really makes a difference and that was basically oranges only weakness. I wonder if well see update versions of the rockerverb and other classics with presence.
One of the best tones you ever had!
Most logical upgrade to my or15, which is already perfect
This thing is a beast
Dude! awesome video! that 7 string Schecter is a beauty!
Am I crazy or are there a lot of amps coming out that are under 50 watts but still loud enough to fill a club without a mic'd cab? I feel like under 50 watts never used to be loud enough until recently, but maybe I'm wrong.
Orange amps have some of the sickest girthy midrange anger man
That intro is so master of puppets / and justice for all era! Sounded great
At the beginning are you just going from guitar into amp? No pedals or EQ? That's the reviews I like. When they play it in a mix they tweak it all around and you can't hear what it really sounds like. This amp sounds pretty bad ass I must say. I still love my EVH 6L6 though. The thing I love about the EVH is that you don't need a booster pedal. I just use the red channel. There's no need for one unless you want to change the tone with like a tube screamer. The only pedals I need are a chorus, a delay in the effects loop, and a noise gate. That orange does chug pretty nicely. Quick question, do you have to give the amp back to Sweetwater when you're done? Do they give them out to anyone who has a decent following? I would love to do reviews of guitars and amps. I knew that there was no way people were buying all these amps and guitars to review...lol. That would be pretty pricey. I love Sweetwater! I like how they give you candy and give you a personal guy to talk to when you buy stuff so it's easy to just email him and he'll help you out. Shout out to Anthony Giraldi!!
This was the review I wanted to see on this amp. Sounds amazing.
Thanks man! Glad you dig it
16:36 Kinda sounds like Traitor Knee Deep In The Dead. I also heard a Toxic Holocaust riff in your OR15 review. You've got excellent taste!
With the gain turned all the way it sounds like old Metallica. Especially when you were palm muting and whatnot.
Gotta love those orange juicy tones man!
I think I want this for my high dirty channel and my Rockerverb for cleans and low end dirty. Thanks I needed another amp.
Luv me OR-15. Saving up for its big brother. The rockerverb has a tighter structure. The OR-30 can get really deep, dark, and thick. It has enough balls for a medium sized room in a tighter speed metal setting as long as you back off the bass enough.
the OR15 is much better than the terror.
Killer demo!
It seems to be an undersold amp, for some reason…
Love the last bit 😂
Cheers from Texas!
🤟😺🤟
Michael
Ugliest, most hideous looking amps I’ve ever seen in my life. Sounds decent though but not good enough to deal with its horrendous looks
That sounded amazing but how is it different to the Rockerverb? How loud is it to a 100 watt amp? Just as loud at 100dB?
Can't speak on the db level, but compared to a roclerverb, this seems to have more top end sheen like an older marshall, and has WAY more low end
@@belligerentamateur oh wow so if you like Orange but with Mesa Rectifier low end then this seems to be the amp to get huh? That's incredible. I can't believe Orange has all their designs down to one man, Ade Emsley. Props to him.
I would absolutely love any Orange tube amp, I have an overdrive pedal kink and the variety of tones you can get is worth the $$$ to me.
Snagged one on the day they dropped. Also have a Rockerverb MKIII 100w, and my ONLY con with that amp is I wish it had a more upper mid control to it. This one NAILS that. Playing a Bad Religion gain level Chicago punk band this MIGHT actually replace my Rockerverb. I had my doubts with el84s but the MASSIVE transformers more than handle that difference....KILLER review here my dude!
So follow up to my comment. Snagged one as soon as they dropped. 2 separate units suffered total failure, can't trust them now. Sticking with my Rockerverb. Did sound good in the relatively short time they worked....
Did you, by chance, let the amp warm up before setting both switches to the on position? Because you shouldn’t do that, as it’s known to kill the rectifier circuit. It’s specifically stated in one of the two official Orange videos, where the designer talks about the OR30.
The TH30H was a great amp, if on a budget search one of these. This sounds great as well.
i found the th30 to be a little lower in build quality and a little gritty, in compare to their UK variants. I agree, at a medium price point with solid state outs, its a good amp, tho a little sharp at the top. Just my $.02 of course.
@@shanesplanetshane3795 i didn't find that at all in fact thought it was kinda dark sounding with more gain than needed, The clean channel was where the amp really shined. Know these were made in Asia and the price point reflected that. Got mine for 550 and at that price point was very happy. Traded it for a Marshall Mini Jubilee straight up and never looked back.
This amp's very chunky for an EL84-based build. I like it but the price tag's a bit high - for about 100$ more you can grab the Bad Cat Lynx 50W which has 2 channels and a noise-gate.
2 channels and a noise-gate and a different sound. To each his own.
The guitar do be lookin sick tho
Used to own a OR15. Probably the best lunchbox amp there is. Did everything from chugs to pop cleans and it's simple and straight forward.
Yep. Still have mine. An 8-string through it is insane.
I agree. Only one Better might be the 5150 LBX-S
@@leegallatin480 Fireball 25
@@TheChugMonkey @leegallatin480 Both amps have a lacking clean channel. The OR15 just kicks ass when you turn the gain down and the master up. Used to play punk and metal on it and My entire rig was A Digitech CM-2, Boss DD-3 and a Orange OR15. Was able to play everything thrown at me with that rig.
@@leegallatin480Krank Rev Jr pro> Lunchbox EVH. EL84 power tubes aren't touching the sheer balls that 5881(6L6) power tubes have. The Engl sounds good as well, but once again EL84's in the power section. The kings of lunch box amps are the Krank Rev Jr pro 20 watt and the PRS MT15.
Vitamin C (chug)
Sick demo Kyle! I've been curious about Orange amps for awhile and now I'm going to start saving for this one. I'll try to remember to use your affiliate link when the time comes to pull the trigger.
Sounds incredible. I wonder how would this sound blended with 5150 III. I take audio from these and pan it left and right to get the idea how it would sound double tracked, you're pretty consistent man even without a drum track. Did you consider doing some double tracks in these demos?
On tonehunt there is a nam profile of a blend of a evh3 and an orange amp
Or30 is nice. I cant lie, im mesmerized by the soft blue glow in the ole output tubes.
Like given for Coheed 🤘
bro awesome job showing the range of this amp
a new one channel 30 watt amp for $1800 is a little pricey for me... it will be interesting to see what these will go for on the used market because you can find used EVH 5150 50 watt Amps for $900. on the used market you can find the old Orange TH30 for around $800...
I don't see many second hand made in England Orange amps. I see a few RV mark I, but little else.
@@LeeGee cuz they are so good, noones selling them used. I aint selling mine.
Great demo as always bro! I'd like to hear the footswitchable volume boost in action rather than an external pedal. I have the OR15, love it and I can get just about anything I want out of it. But I'd think with the addition of the volume boost, 3 way bright switch, added in-line presence control, rectifier tube, and lots more headroom I wouldn't need anything else in front to tighten or open up the sound? At least at that price point
The built in boost isn't to tighten it up. It's a seperate volume control you can set to make the amp louder for solos.
Great specs and even better sounds👍👍👍
14:10 monstrous tone
Had an older OR50 years ago and it was a great amp, it took pedals up front really well.
too bad not many of us have a man cave like yours to blast these types of amps-oh me oh my
fx looped amps with an inline fx unit will let you blast the front end and keep her nice and quiet at the outputs...
I never knew these amps could get that much distortion. I always assumed they were some low gain amp. Incredible tone!
Same here, bought mk3 Rockerverb 100w and realised how ignorant I had been
This is the best sounding amp that was released in a while! Great demo!
Radical!
Sweet fat baby jesus that's the best I've ever heard an Orange amp sound, especially with the 7-string OMFG. That was chuncky AF 🤘
Metal Damon
08:46 so good
Some years ago I was intrigued with the th30... Is it much different than this or30? I'm not familiar with Orange
So I’ve had this amp for 5-6 months now. It’s probably my favorite of my 10 or so that I own. I’ve compared it to my 100 watters and I still can’t believe this amp has so much low end depth and how loud it gets before it hits its headroom ceiling. It’s totally gig-able and pushes 4x12s just fine. Does it get as loud as my 100w amps? Technically the 100w amps do get louder but you’re well past gigging volumes at that point and there’s zero reason to actually be any louder than what this amp can give you. I’ve found it being one channel to not be any sort of an issue and play it just like my multi channel amps. You can either roll your guitar volume back for cleans, or I will use my helix with a dialed back input gain block in the front of the amp signal chain to make the signal clean with full guitar volume, and switch snapshots for an overdrive high gain sound. That was my one worry about this amp but it literally does everything. And lastly this thing nails the British sound. It’s a different flavor than Marshall but I totally would put this up against my Marshalls for that sound.
When did Matt Damon get jacked?? Never knew he could play guitar either.😀Great review.
I think you're the first person I've ever heard play Feathers on UA-cam and I was 100% not expecting to hear it demoed here.
I only tested the AD30 HTC in person yet, so I don't really know the OR30 yet. But shouldn't you be able to get all of the sounds by simply maxing the volume and EQ controls, like you can on the AD30 HTC to get nice, destructive sounds?
Sounds great, but for the price, I think I'm just going to keep saving for a DCA HMW.
I've thought those were the originals Gibson pick ups even before EMG started kidding about it...
That Coheed and Cambria riff sounds better through this amp. Less fizzy than their recording.
Sounds beastly! @kyle how does the palm mute thump feel in the room to you, compared to other oranges, specifically the Dark Terror and Rockerverb/ Jim Root Terror? I’m asking because I’ve owned the TH30, Jim Root and Dark Terror at various times - I liked the muscularity of the TH30 with its oversized transformer but something in the mids bothered me - so the best Orange tone I’ve ever achieved is still through the Dark Terror, but I am looking for an upgrade…
I agree about the th30. It lacked something and had too much nasty grit for me. Makes sense as it was a solid state box, made in China. I had the microdark and liked it, but it was also a cheapie and had very little choices of tones. I now use an or100 and its a completely different ballgame. Kind of makes me sad that most of these amp companies, supplement their awesome equipment, with low priced equipment. I guess people want cheap and are willing to sacrifice. Personally, I think it only hurt the companies rep, altho Im sure it pads their pockets
@@shanesplanetshane3795 I'm pretty sure the TH30 was tube, but I agree with you about the Chinese manufacture. I find all their Chinese stuff a bit fizzy at high gain levels. I also didn't like the limited EQ with the shape control. Lacked punch and wasn't even close to as good sounding as my Rocker 30 (UK). I haven't tried a UK made Orange that I haven't liked yet. I've read they put custom UK manufactured transformers in their UK stuff, maybe they haven't been able to achieve the same quality in the Chinese transformers?
@@Polyphemus. I believe you are right and im confused. The th30 did have tube outputs. I had two of them and liked the punch they had, but just didnt gel with the grit. I also wasnt a fan of region of manufacture. Badass amp for sure, just wasnt my taste. I ended up selling and rock a single or100. Very similar, just a little smoother in its grit, and made elsewhere. Apologies for being wrong about the output tubes. Both great amps, tho the th30 seemed quite a bit more modern in its gain.
I'm torn between this and a 5153 50 watt stealth? How do they compare?
2 master channels to get that solo boost I need in a band live gig context!
That’s why I bought an Engl Fireball.
+ it‘s the box not the amp for the chug if Ola Englund prooved one thing...
Blackberry Smoke uses Orange amps, and has some of the best sounding low-mid gain tones
You should compare it besides the new Revv D40 amp.
Yes!!! I've been waiting to see you demo it.
I want to know is this thing can chug.
Ps: FIRST.
Dave Carlo from Razor would appreciate it))))
What model schecter is that. Reminds me of the ESP snakebyte stuff.
Would love to see you review a dual dark 100! Bought one the other day and it’s amaaaaazing
Always wanted an Orange amp but wasn’t sure which one would be best for me. This video has helped me make that decision. Great video!
i love this line of amps, probably my favorite. I have always wanted an or 50. I just think the price is a little high for a single channel amp
How would you compare this to a 5150 III stealth 50 watt?
How do you think it compares to the TH30?
Hello, what is that explorer like guitar you are using? It is very pretty
It's taken orange 20 years to come out with and amp that doesn't have that changly top end lol
Now do a rockerverb comparison
I don’t remember all out war playing 7 dingers😜
I need to hear this vs a Rockerverb. I know what I want one..:but which?
Orange seems to have something for everybody. I have a super crush and I run a 7 band eq through the fx loop and found my sound after some tweaking. Distortion boxes sound great through the clean channel, too.
Yes! The OR 30 sounds great. Add some pedals to get it to be a tad more spicey....... yeah.
I have a Super Crush and boost it with a Devil's Triad, sounds great. It'd be cool if Orange did one voiced like an OR.
@@gabrielstevens41 Maybe in pedal format or an Orange tube pre amp pedal.........hmmmmmm
@@gabrielstevens41 I'd like to hear the devil's triad. Sounds evil
@roosternm6830 Kyle's done a video on it. It's a Jeff Loomis signature pedal with an overdrive/boost/delay and reverb all in one pedal. The OD has a mid spike around 3k and doesn't cut the bass as much as a ts or SD.
This is the best I’ve ever heard an Orange sound. Nice job, dude
Ola approved definitely chugs
Kyle,,, I no this is off subject but,,,what in your opinion is the most heavy sounding pick up w a tight low end?
Chug chuggety chug chug…. Chug chug.
Me wants this amp.
I had a bad rap woth them cuz the small practice amps sound terrible