I Bought A BROKEN Tube Amp.....Can I fix it? | Orange Dark Terror Repair

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  • @ChronicMetamorphosis
    @ChronicMetamorphosis Рік тому +34

    Repairing tube amps on this channel would be an awesome edition!
    I'm learning to repair tube amps so we can preserve our equipment.

  • @lucwilson1
    @lucwilson1 Рік тому +24

    Dark Terror is no joke - it's a Brutal little Monster!!

  • @joedinsmoor2127
    @joedinsmoor2127 Рік тому +31

    I would check continuity with a multimeter on every fuse. Even if it looks good, it can sometimes have a tiny separation that’s impossible to see with the naked eye

    • @kazzxtrismus
      @kazzxtrismus Рік тому +2

      strangely they like to pop inside the metal cap area...so you dont see the pop and it looks perfect.
      the low amp ones often have the fine wire resting against the glass when they pop (they should float)

  • @ChronicMetamorphosis
    @ChronicMetamorphosis Рік тому +22

    Few tips I can add for other amateur repairmen:
    - Get yourself a non conductive screwdriver.
    If you touch two parts at the same time (especially before discharging) you're going to pass electricity through them. It gets tight in there, and you can bump into things on accident. This can also be used when biasing, depending on the amp.
    - Get a fuse puller.
    This helps you avoid the risk of damaging fuses or contacts by accident.
    - Get a headlamp
    You'd be surprised at how useful this is. Especially if you work on your vehicle too.
    - Learn how to discharge the capacitors properly.
    I learned this from a CRT TV tech. This should be done if you're doing more complex repairs. It's not hard, but there's fatal risk involved.
    - Get a good soldering iron.
    I use a Hakko FX888.

    • @naturaljoe759
      @naturaljoe759 Рік тому +3

      I like my Weller WES51 adjustable soldering station. Has provided many years of service. Probably not a great “first” soldering iron but for someone with a little experience or who does a variety of projects it’s awesome. Just remember, you can always go hotter, but if you start too hot you’ll have a helluva time when it cools.
      Also, another safety tip for your list: never replace a fuse with a higher amp fuse than the circuit is rated for. It’s a great way to start a fire. Always go equal, or if you don’t have it, go slightly lower until you get the correct replacement.

    • @ChronicMetamorphosis
      @ChronicMetamorphosis Рік тому +1

      @@naturaljoe759 Good advice.

    • @dunxy
      @dunxy Рік тому

      I cringed at him putting his hand in their without discharging the filter caps, regardless of if they have bleed resistors or not. We all have to learn, but there's often no second chance with the voltages we talking about in there...

  • @Synic42
    @Synic42 Рік тому +8

    I didn't see if you did in the beginning, but remember to always attach a load to the amp! You can use either a speaker, a load box or an equivalent resistor, even when there's no guitar plugged in. I have a cheap Harley Benton attenuator which can act perfectly as a load for amp repairs, maintenance and troubleshooting. Furthermore this is a very solid video with some very good instructions.

    • @TheCyberMantis
      @TheCyberMantis Рік тому +1

      I was thinking the same thing. He didn't mention that he had a speaker cable attached to it the first time he turned it on.

  • @Deadite8593
    @Deadite8593 Рік тому +1

    Enjoyed the video, thanks for making it! Helps people to be confident in fixing their gear, not everyone can afford a large repair bill. One thing I will say is start small when it comes to electronics projects. Change the pickup in your guitar or replace a pot, and build from there.....but anyone reading this can repair their own stuff with a little bit of practice and research. The advice you gave about one hand is very important, especially since when you touch the amp with 2 hands.....the circuit your body creates goes straight across your heart. You should look into making yourself a "bleed resistor" to drain large capacitors, it would cost about $5 and it really helps with the safety side of things. When in doubt check with a multimeter before touching anything. Be safe and have fun everyone!

  • @stevenstrother672
    @stevenstrother672 Рік тому +2

    Kyle, the one hand trick won't keep you from creating a circuit, you will still get zapped. It's so it doesn't send from arm to arm through your heart, reducing the chance of death if caps discharge.

  • @rianvanrensburg9960
    @rianvanrensburg9960 Рік тому +2

    I am a repair tech myself, that first fuse you checked is actually the ht( high tension) fuse,it supplies high voltage to the tubes and the amp won't have sound without it like it does when you first test it, it is best to check them with a multimeter as sometimes it can be hard to tell if the thin wire is broken. If I am not mistaken that 4 amp fuse is the heater fuse for the tube filaments, it being broken is either a sign of a huge power surge or the amp being used on the incorrect voltage setting or of course something seriously wrong with one of the tubes. Usually you can replace those without any issues and move on. I would recommend Mike test those tubes for you just incase they are still good and you don't waste a set of tubes.

    • @jhmusic1
      @jhmusic1 Рік тому

      It is the heater fuse, and the pilot light is on the same circuit/fuse. I had 2 dark terrors break the same way within 2 weeks of owning each one. I think the power transformers for a batch of these amps are feeding the circuit way too much power. I never checked the voltages of them but I can say that those tubes glowed very bright, much brighter than normal, which makes me think the filaments were getting much more than 6.3 volts

  • @channtastic
    @channtastic Рік тому +1

    Nice shirt Kyle. Terror is sick, one of the best bands I’ve ever seen live.

  • @jasonbates2687
    @jasonbates2687 Рік тому +3

    Good job, you just saved yourself about $300, I have replaced tubes and fuses too in my amps. Good skill to have.

  • @eguitarplayer6689
    @eguitarplayer6689 Рік тому +1

    I'm not surprised you got it to work. Guitar Center has a good used department.

  • @davidfilley3984
    @davidfilley3984 Рік тому +3

    Dave from Iron Age Amplification, I'm located in Midcoast Maine and I'm starting to do mods to amps especially Marshalls and I want to help owners troubleshoot repairs. Right to repair your own gear should definitely be a thing. So long as it is done safely of course. Keep playing metal and long live the tones of the 80's! Great Job, Kyle, glad to see you keep putting up content!

    • @joeolivas
      @joeolivas Рік тому

      Do you have a web presence? Nothing came up in a search, but I am also in midcoast Maine.

    • @davidfilley3984
      @davidfilley3984 Рік тому

      @@joeolivas let me know if you saw any other messages from me! I've tried to respond to this twice

  • @sho-nuffmadrigal6857
    @sho-nuffmadrigal6857 Рік тому +1

    That laugh in the beginning of the video cracked me up. I had to hold my laughter in at work.

  • @jaredhind
    @jaredhind Рік тому +3

    Love orange amps. I had a CR120 and after I sold it I really missed the orange thing. Ended up getting the dark terror, wow! What an excellent bit of kit!

  • @mcoon1987
    @mcoon1987 Рік тому +3

    Dude, that’s an awesome score for $261. Makes me really miss my dark terror. Those things are awesome.

  • @alexandertorrente198
    @alexandertorrente198 Рік тому +1

    I actually make amps for fun! In regards to discharging stuff, I like to alligator clip a 10k 2W resistor to the chassis of the amp, that is usually what gets it down to 0V the quickest.

  • @benpeasley6394
    @benpeasley6394 Рік тому

    I had done the exact same repair on my Randall RM100, but for the longest time just didn’t touch it because I bought an EVH 5150 III. My Randall’s bad fuse was pretty well hidden under a second pcb board. It’s a great feeling when you can just roll up your sleeves and fix something like that yourself.

  • @MrBikboi
    @MrBikboi Рік тому +2

    What a fantastic deal, it's always a treat when you find something broken and the fix is fairly simple. Got that amp for a great price all parts/repairs in.

  • @chefmcd7788
    @chefmcd7788 Рік тому +2

    I'm with you on liking to tinker with things to try to figure them out and fix them, with varying degrees of success. It's always a good feeling when you manage to make it happen.

  • @SkeeterMcBeater
    @SkeeterMcBeater Рік тому

    I love the used section of gooey-tar center. The only section worth visiting.

  • @swaffy101
    @swaffy101 Рік тому +1

    First amp I ever repaired was the Ampeg VL-1002. Typical molex connector issues. I bought the lee jackson video and got to work. It was a very rewarding feeling if it was a paint by numbers type of video.

  • @edwardparenteau4385
    @edwardparenteau4385 Рік тому

    I concur with your approach & do the same thing! I'm working on a 50-Watt ValveKing that was completely dead & found that the indicator light housing nut was on the board and would blow fuses. it now doesn't blow the fuses but sounds like a big Hummer. Time to swap out the power tubes.

  • @_oe_o_e_
    @_oe_o_e_ Рік тому +1

    Doing what we all dream of: getting around to that one project.

  • @edmizutani7786
    @edmizutani7786 Рік тому +1

    Awesome that you got such a good deal on this amp! That worked out really well!

  • @3J_Music
    @3J_Music Рік тому +3

    The DT is a great amp...when it's working. It's in my top 3 favorites of amps I have owned. I had one that had a different problem. I often think about getting another one, and then I hear about another person having one with issues. I do love that amp though, and for $260, you definitely got a great deal. I hope that fuse solves your problem. Oh, and by the way, Tung Sol tubes sound great in that amp

  • @Crunchifyable2
    @Crunchifyable2 Рік тому

    I've been in this situation before including taking a fuse out of a similar amp. But after dealing with that I think it's important to have a spare parts drawer with common fuses, common tubes etc.
    The third thing is if the amp itself was the faulty thing, and it had a bad bias resistor, you would have redplated and destroyed those known good power tubes.
    So even as an amateur you should have a multimeter whenever you are inside an amp. If the voltages aren't correct when there are no tubes, that would be a sign not to install any tubes.

  • @RodVonLongrod
    @RodVonLongrod Рік тому

    Definitely take your tube amp to an experienced & qualified tech if you have any doubts. Stay away from the big capacitors. Do not touch them just to be safe. There's a reason one of them is called the "death cap".

  • @over9k874
    @over9k874 Рік тому

    Blowing tube fuse is normal. It's enough if you switch your amp on and off and back on too quick and this may cause it popping. Of course I've just replaced mine with new one and amp was working fine again. Just be careful with bias pots etc. Touching them if you don't know what you do and you don't have a tube voltage test socket may kill you or at least your amp cuz you might have an idea of soldering voltmeter direclty to the board. Which of course I had to do when I screwed my tube amp for the first time.

  • @thatguy1558
    @thatguy1558 Рік тому +1

    Oh THAT'S why you don't have the Jim Root for sale anymore... 🤣

  • @thebuck1152
    @thebuck1152 Рік тому

    Mean little s.o.b.! It's always awesome when you suspect the easy fix and it actually is. Good score

  • @PierreMarechal
    @PierreMarechal Рік тому

    I love may dark terror, sounds great with my explorer with bare knuckle nailbomb alnico and a MXR M77 in front to tighten the bass and low mids

  • @doknox
    @doknox Рік тому

    That intro bro... hilarious!!!

  • @william7108
    @william7108 Рік тому

    I have one of those amps sitting in a box I got it when they first came out played it once but for some reason didn't play it since then I'm going to have to pull that bad boy out and hopefully it'll still work don't see why not and get into some dark Terror anyway glad you figured out what happened to Tommy's amp

  • @barryprosser1370
    @barryprosser1370 Рік тому +1

    This is a fun video. Keep it up good sir 🤘

  • @holgerreinke
    @holgerreinke Рік тому

    That was fun, dude! Just love your stuff! cheers

  • @william7108
    @william7108 Рік тому

    Almost went into Lake Erie but stopped short have tumbling down the Rocks into the lake

  • @sheriewart8100
    @sheriewart8100 Рік тому

    Nice job Kyle

  • @StephGV2
    @StephGV2 Рік тому

    Well that was useful knowledge. And a super good buy. Congrats!
    Maybe do a filter cap discharge in the future? It's like a 22K 5w resistor with one side on ground. Probably not necessary, until the one time it is.

  • @eltipo6651
    @eltipo6651 Рік тому

    Love seeing a mode four and a dark terror. You’d love the sound of a dual dark into two MF280s

  • @matthewJ142
    @matthewJ142 Місяць тому

    Yes you can still get shocked if you're not at least grounded. The other hand is important so it doesn't just run the current in you continuously

  • @wheelchairtestdummy3059
    @wheelchairtestdummy3059 Рік тому

    I enjoyed your video. New subscriber now. Thanks for the great content.
    p.s. May want to check your solder joints to the tube terminals. May have a solder joint that needs a little reflow.

  • @MikeB-ng3ol
    @MikeB-ng3ol 7 місяців тому

    Ground the caps to discharge, then short the caps to themselves(anode to cathode) using wire, or buswire. They recharge if you don't take that step, even without power.

  • @yeti1002
    @yeti1002 Рік тому

    Hey Kyle , there's a ceriatone Gargoyle 2022 50 watter selling on reverb for $ 1400.00 plus $ 100.00 shipping mint condition 👍😉

  • @xsnys13
    @xsnys13 Рік тому

    Last year I picked up an original 5150 212 combo from GC for $400 because it was “broken.” Turns out the previous owner tried to mod it somehow and screwed up to the point he decided to unload it. I undid the damage and got it working perfectly in about 4 hours. I would 100% do it again with another broken amp.

  • @graftongodofmemes
    @graftongodofmemes Рік тому

    You can drain the caps by strumming ypur plugged in guitar afiter youve turned EVERYTHING off. The volume will bleed away slowly over a couple of seconds and that will drain the electrolytics. I still use a five watt resistor to touch the caps and check but they're always drained if you do it with your guitar.

  • @ricksanchezito8972
    @ricksanchezito8972 Рік тому

    Eq in the loop and a Proco Rat in front = some tasty tones.

  • @thunderhorseofficial
    @thunderhorseofficial 11 місяців тому

    Dang Man! You missed a perfect opportunity to show us the inside of both amps so we can see what the differences are! LOL. Great video.

  • @Stinger_1995
    @Stinger_1995 Рік тому

    I would love to see more videos like this Kyle!

  • @russiangoose7053
    @russiangoose7053 Рік тому

    Even with no mic it still sounds way better than my micro dark

  • @thomasbline2932
    @thomasbline2932 Рік тому +1

    Used one hand to replace a fuse "for safety" and then tilts it by grabbing the transformers.

  • @_thaaatguy
    @_thaaatguy Рік тому +1

    Nice video, man. I was worried about your safety though haha. A man willing to risk his life for the sake of content creation? Kyle Bull, everybody!!! I'd love to see more of this.

  • @sweetmercy6987
    @sweetmercy6987 Рік тому

    Love my dark terror. Picked mine up mint for 300$ then an evh lbx II for 250$ locally after that! Talk about luck!

  • @teamrisk41
    @teamrisk41 Рік тому

    I had two break with in three months , and had to send the second one to the orange factory and they fixed it for free and now it has no problem

  • @heavyelvizz
    @heavyelvizz 17 днів тому

    Awesome Video - could we please talk about, you got a Dark Terror for less than 400 Bucks, maybe even less, than 350 Bucks with the new Tubes? :D
    Thats one of the biggest Points, why I love Tube Amps. If there is something broken, it's mostly easy to replace...if you break something in an Solid State Amplifier or even worse: In a Modeller, it's nearly sure, that you can put it into the trash, but Tube Amps are mostly much easier to repair! :D
    Would love to see more of these Videos!

  • @drallab06
    @drallab06 Рік тому

    I would love to see more videos like this! Do more!!

  • @Seven7Pain1
    @Seven7Pain1 Рік тому

    i like to tinker on my own gear so yes make more of these

  • @supersonicnomad8437
    @supersonicnomad8437 Рік тому

    Entertaining and then some! More content like this would be killer!

  • @jketterman6054
    @jketterman6054 Рік тому

    Cool thing about that amp is that you don't have to bias it.

  • @jasonboulet6415
    @jasonboulet6415 Рік тому

    Troubleshoot is needed on youtube !
    I would love more troubleshooting video!

  • @lickincrit
    @lickincrit Рік тому +1

    pretty sure that is my old orange i returned to guitar center LOL🤣

  • @vincelupone
    @vincelupone Рік тому

    Kyle, you might want to use a wooden chopstick or dowel instead of poking around inside the amp with a screwdriver.

  • @stevelueb7787
    @stevelueb7787 Рік тому

    I've had fuses pop for no reason at all. Replace it with the correct amperage & install.

  • @AtTheSourceStudios
    @AtTheSourceStudios Рік тому

    Would love to see a Hughes Tubemeister 36 or one of the newer Tubemeister 40 on the channel!

  • @ApexBeast35
    @ApexBeast35 Рік тому

    great content! also your moves are pretty wisely even if u say 'idk'

  • @jesperbc
    @jesperbc Рік тому

    I bought a pair of broken pedals recently. A Boss HM-2 Heavy Metal made in Japan and a Dunlop GCB95 Crybaby. The seller said the HM-2 wouldn't turn on, and the wah had an issue with the battery?! Got them both in the mail, and the HM-2 fired up with both a battery and a 9V DC plug. The wah just a broken battery compartment, but who uses batteries anyways? Scored both for €50.

  • @TheOtherJohnBrowne
    @TheOtherJohnBrowne Рік тому +1

    Your recent intros are giving me the impression more and more that you are beginning to lose your mind. Very enjoyable! Keep it up!
    Edit: Good job on fixing the amp!
    These are cathode biased iirc. So Mike won't have to bias it. The bias sets itself

  • @william7108
    @william7108 Рік тому

    Now you can take the tubes that were in it put those back in and see if it works and you won't have to get tubes and the only thing you need to fix would be the light and you're good to go

  • @michaelt5012
    @michaelt5012 Рік тому

    this is your calling please do a tube screamer next

  • @_sam
    @_sam 23 дні тому

    Nice shirt great band

  • @claudevieaul1465
    @claudevieaul1465 Рік тому

    Whatever else, it's a *lot* easier to fix than some funky lunchbox full of virtual amps 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤘

  • @vintagetubeamplifiers
    @vintagetubeamplifiers Рік тому

    So don't wrap the fuse with tinfoil? Great video, I've been doing vintage amp repair for 2 years now so I'm still a novice but have worked on blackface and silverface Fenders, a few Peaveys, a killer Carvin Vai, my 81 JCM 800 and some other small amps. Always discharge caps the Terry at D-Lab way. Also a Variac and current limiter can be very handy. I think I'm doing pretty good, I'm still at the work on friends amps for free stage but not forever. Anyone in the Chicago area that needs some free help message me.

  • @kalebthornsberry870
    @kalebthornsberry870 Рік тому

    Could you make videos in the future with your amp tech? That would be super cool and helpful too

    • @TheCyberMantis
      @TheCyberMantis Рік тому

      Head on over to PSIONIC AUDIO channel, if you want to watch tube amp repair videos.

  • @jarrusjenkins
    @jarrusjenkins Рік тому

    I'm pretty sure you don't have to bias these.
    CS guitars changed the tubes in his Rocker 15 a while ago (and did a video on it) he is an amp tech and he said that it didn't need to bias it and I'd assume that the dark terror and the Jim root would be the same.

  • @chronik301
    @chronik301 Рік тому

    I bought a peavey 50 50 classic power amp that was sold as broken at guitar center many years back. I got it home tore it apart. Someone took all the tubes out and had them sitting inside the amp in a brown paper lunch bag. Put the tubes in and walla a working power amp on the cheap. I got lucky.

  • @BrandonBames
    @BrandonBames Рік тому

    Yo Kyle, grab a magnetic bowl at a hardware store, that way you don't have to keep track of your loose screws.

  • @william7108
    @william7108 Рік тому

    Yeah that amp went through some dark Terror

  • @DonDouglass
    @DonDouglass Рік тому

    Well done 🤘😎🤘

  • @danbanghard2455
    @danbanghard2455 Рік тому

    Hey guys, I have a EVH 5150 iii 50 watt with similar issue. does anyone know if there is an internal fuse . I checked fuse on back of amp , it's good. Power tubes have normal glow and can hear electrical current , but know sound and no lights on front panel.

  • @colemcdaniel5468
    @colemcdaniel5468 Рік тому

    Yo brother, great vid! The Dark Terror is one Sick little beast! \,,/ If you touch a screw on a wall socket or a light switch cover in your house, you will discharge yourself. They're grounded.

  • @Ireland831
    @Ireland831 Рік тому

    Hi Kyle....I am friends with David Szabados, (Legendary Tones)....I find your vids super fun and appreciate your content. If you want to dump either of those Terrors can you let Davd know. I would love to buy one of them. Sorry for the solicitation in the comments, but I just wanted to reach out. If you are interested in selling one of more of those Terrors, I would love to get them.

    • @belligerentamateur
      @belligerentamateur  Рік тому

      Hey there! The Dark Terror is for sale! hit me up via email - splawnquickrod@gmail.com

  • @buhimoth
    @buhimoth Рік тому

    I have a dark terror and I LOVE IT

    • @buhimoth
      @buhimoth Рік тому

      oof, I only paid £200 for mine and it was not faulty at all (it was used tho)

  • @stephan2003
    @stephan2003 Рік тому

    Would be cool if you could get mike Wagner on the show sometime.

  • @KeithMcKissick
    @KeithMcKissick Рік тому

    Nice. Entertaining and informative.

  • @jerryhatrick5860
    @jerryhatrick5860 Рік тому

    Them drain the caps, its easy. A Wire from the cap Positive side to ground.

  • @andies2170
    @andies2170 Рік тому

    Great Video , thx !

  • @Metaldad87
    @Metaldad87 Рік тому

    I feel like there should be a different term for equipment that doesn't function. Scratch and dent would indicate to me exactly as it says cosmetic damage not damage to the function of the equipment

  • @dunxy
    @dunxy Рік тому

    High voltage can jump to ground through your shoes, one hand is not safe. Drain the filter caps people, regardless of if they have bleed resistors. I appreciate that you're not pretending to know a lot about working on amps but this is literally step one and if you put your finger in the wrong spot you could have easily died. Also im not sure i saw you put a load on it the first time you tested it, valve amps especially need loads.

  • @william7108
    @william7108 Рік тому

    Oh that was Tommy's dark Terror fell out the back of his van and rolled down a hill for about a half a block but it was in a box so anyway it just didn't work very well after that wow so you ended up with that imagine

  • @KipCount
    @KipCount Рік тому

    Good job! Still really bugging me that that light doesn't work though! lol. Is there a bulb in there or just and LED?

  • @thehoppo
    @thehoppo Рік тому

    pretty sure these little guys are cathode biased so you just need a matching pair of EL84's and you are good to go

  • @kk6804
    @kk6804 Рік тому

    hey kyle, next time please use a magnetic bracelet so you don't lose the screws. 😉 good video

  • @isaacwest
    @isaacwest 7 місяців тому

    *plugs amp into a 4x12 marshall cab*
    "okay, lets turn down the volume a little bit"
    said no one ever.

  • @moddaudio
    @moddaudio Рік тому

    You will still get a shock with your hand behind your back, it just will not go across your chest, possibly stopping your heart.

  • @tylerlaiche8443
    @tylerlaiche8443 Рік тому

    I’ll be going to Hershey Pennsylvania in March or May for the blink 182 concert

  • @Eliphas_Elric
    @Eliphas_Elric Рік тому

    Always make sure you drain the filter caps on any tube amp before you dive into working on it. Could shock the shit out of yourself if you aren't careful.

  • @kokica777
    @kokica777 Рік тому

    Hei. Did you ever try Yamaha thr10x? Maybe you have reviewed that practice amp? Thanks. Stay metal, stay nuclear. 🤘🤘🤘

  • @litos_mendes
    @litos_mendes Рік тому

    Can we get a video with mike ? Maybe get a old broken amp and show us mike gettint into it

  • @trentonmooneyham1231
    @trentonmooneyham1231 11 місяців тому

    The terrors and TH series are not the same as the thunderverb. They are quite different. The dark terror IS similar to a TH30 with a different voicing. But they're not the same as the thunderverbs.

  • @freddycookjr.2164
    @freddycookjr.2164 10 місяців тому

    SIMPLE ALIGATOR JUMPER ONE ENDGROUND OTHER TO PLATE OF PREAMP TUBE DRAINS CAPS SW IN PLAY MODE AMP UNPLUGGED OFCOURSE PINOUT DATA ON WEB

  • @robbyplaysfantasy3510
    @robbyplaysfantasy3510 Рік тому

    Wait which guitar center??

    • @robbyplaysfantasy3510
      @robbyplaysfantasy3510 Рік тому

      Ahh ok my store has one like this lol maybe I can figure out this one too