My favorite part is when Obi-Wan took a space uber all the way to return Leia’s droid and they don’t even invite him to like stay for dinner or use the bathroom, they immediately banish his ass back to the Arizona desert
@@brandie3344 then why didn’t bail fly with his daughter incognito to tatooine? He did it before. And if he is a “wanted fugitive” why even create welcoming ceremony? Why not meet somewhere in the woods? Like the show is FULL of these little inconsistencies
But what did you actually want?? Cosmonaut points out there's nothing left to do with these characters!! Their arc is complete!! in a 6 episode series the two cant even sit down and talk about what went wrong between them, so what we get is two lightsaber fights that essentially end in a draw. And yes, Obi Wan probably should have killed space Hitler instead of letting the tyrannical maniac continue to oppress the galaxy but yay catharsis I guess... And getting paid millions to play these characters wasnt enough for Hayden and Ewan?? They 'deserved' more??
@@terminatrix92 they deserved a better show. Duh. This show very easily could have been produced 3 times as well. You can tell that disneys care for this project is far exceeded by ewan and Hayden
I think this should’ve just been a movie. There’s about ~2.5 hours of genuinely awesome stuff in this show, the only problem is it was an 8 hour experience
It was supposed to be a movie originally. There was a whole list of movies, Boba Fett, Kenobi, Ashoka, etc., that got cancelled after Solo bombed. Now they're trying to ride on the success of The Mandalorian.
@@awandererfromys1680 Imagine if they had picked a good option for that test movie instead of Solo. Like, did anyone even want a Solo movie? Idk. But if they had gone with an Obi-Wan movie and it was great, think of all the good Star Wars movies we could have gotten instead... Oh well.
@@randalljones8708 When Solo was first announced, yea I was pretty excited about it. Wasn't the only one either. Keep in mind Solo came out two years _after_ Rogue One, which was generally well received. Hell, even Lucas is on record he enjoyed that movie. I liked it too so I had good hopes for Solo. And imho, it wasn't that bad. Not great but fun. After The Mandalorian everything became a tv show and that isn't working either. It's already hard to write for a fandom that's deeper into the lore than you will ever be, but I don't even get the feeling they're even trying at times.
@@LuisSierra42 bruh apparently Disney hasn’t been selling any BABY YODA merch. If there was ever an opportunity to cash in and make money off of an IP that was the time. Apparently it’s because they didn’t want to spoil anyone? Idk. Nobody is buying baby leia merch tho I’ll tell you that
Yeah, I wanna know who okayed that Leia chase scene in the first episode. It was like a fucking SNL parody of a chase scene. It's as if Disney doesn't give a shit and gave the reigns to a bunch of novice writers and director. Oh wait..
7:51 Hands down it is indeed the best scene in the entire show. Ewan Mcgregor’s acting during this scene, his display of emotions and the line delivery of “I’m sorry, I’m sorry Anakin, for all of it” really hit me to my core. Obi-Wan feels responsible for Anakin’s downfall and he feels he could maybe get Anakin back, but he then realizes Anakin is truly gone. The way Ewan Mcgregor’s amazing acting emits Obi-Wan’s emotions was amazing and heartfelt.
sure, but I’m not giving the writers credit for a scene that was so natural any one of us could have wrote it. The writers were more focused on “deconstructing” obi wan than they were about telling a cohesive, personal story about the man. The scene almost felt patronizing, as if the writers knew what we wanted but decided to torture us for 5 episodes instead. It’s a fucking joke. I’m not trying to take away from your enjoyment, though. I also enjoyed the moment between the two of them. But I already watched a fan edit of that last duel in the show, where John Williams score was actually used, Dark Deeds and other classic imperial songs were mixed into the fight, and it felt so much more genuine. Idk, these writers are killing me.
Agreed, but then immediately after Obi-Wan just decides to walk away and leave Vader to go murder more stragglers... I know vader can't die, but come on man, give them a scenario to explain why they're both able to walk away from this
@@Crazyjay6o1 yes, the different scenario was needed. Now on top of that, years later Ben will be pressing Luke into killing Vader cause otherwise, in his words, Palpatine wins, but like, dude, if you're so into it, should've done it yourself instead of walking away. It's no longer Lucas' continuity where Obi-Wan thought burns and legs missing would do the job until proven wrong without an opportunity to try again, Kenobi doesn't have right to push Luke like that with the series in mind. Maybe if he left even more depressed, so that he tries to convince Luke to kill Anakin feeling guilt for not being able to finish the former apprentice himself, but he's happier in the end, so that's not an option either
This sums up exactly how I feel about the show. So many interesting themes that were minimally explored, and were overshadowed by a story that felt pointless. Cameos and callbacks are cool for a while, but fresh and heartfelt narratives are a lot more valuable and definitely more memorable. Take, for example, the Siege of Mandalore. Peak Star Wars, and all of that is attributed to good writing, equally good direction, and solid technical work.
If Disney cared about making this series work they would've put Dave Filoni and George Lucas in charge of the production and writing, not a bunch of novice writers and mid-tier director whose never even directed a full series or movie before.
@@thehumanity0 I don't really want dave to direct this show either because it’s gonna be a cameo show like Mandalorian season 2 or the book of boba fett wow that show is bad.
@@thehumanity0 Lucas would never return and as for Dave I don't wanted Ahsoka to suddenly enter the story. I agree they still needed to put better people behind.
He couldn’t even if he wanted too ahsoka didn’t know kenobi was alive until twilight of the apprentice when esra talks about him and since that wasn’t a comic saved going to keep it consistent
@@a.f9234 The main point is put people in charge who actually have wins under their belt or who aren't complete novices. Filoni has Clone Wars, Jon Favreau has Mandalorian despite Book of Boba Fett. It at least would have a better chance of success. I named Filoni specifically because he's done the prequel material justice in the past. As for Lucas, yeah he's probably not coming back and Clone Wars Season 7 was likely his last contribution.
Genuinely wish they had had the guts to do a “final season of samurai jack” style feature with this. Imagine Obi Wan on the run, hunted by the inquisitors (or equivalent). The pain of having lost his entire word, way of life, his friends and comrades and masters weighing on him. The guilt of having a close friend and student of his having been so failed by both the system and obi-wan himself that he became a monster that he dismembered and left to burn at a molten shoreside to stop his slaughter. The realization his inability to deal the final blow has led to a galaxy-wide purge of those who used to be children in his care. He runs from planet to planet always having to look over his shoulder, deprived of the chance to discuss any of his frustrations as he knows it would put others in mortal danger. The weight of all that guilt and pain crushing every moment that isn’t filled with fear or rushed desperation to keep from being caught. Sure, maybe it’s not strictly story accurate, but it would be so thematically compelling and in-line with the “last of the old world” status that obi-wan has. I think it would have been amazing to see him struggle between keeping up the principles he was raised with in contrast with the crushing failure that they led him to.
All I wanted going into this show was a scene where Kenobi finally just completely breaks down. He’s always been calm and collected, and occasionally pushed to letting out some intense emotions. We’ve never seen him completely loose his cool and breakdown. After he lets it out he becomes the wise, calm old wizard we meet in A New Hope.
I hated the final season of Samurai Jack. Jack did NOT need a girlfriend, much less one a quarter of his age. And the finale sucked so much that they needed to make a video game to fix it.
@@ShadowSaberBaroxio I disagree I love the finale because it's a bittersweet ending to him, Yea the girlfriend subplot could be expanded more but I still enjoy it.
If this was like the book of boba fett, a character people like but don’t necessarily care about then I’d brush it off as dumb fun. But when you bring back Hayden and Ewan after nearly 20 years for two very prominent characters that almost every star wars fan enjoys above a superficial level then you need to bring your A game. Unfortunately, Kenobi was super mid and that’s terrible for the content that’s revolved around it.
On top of Obi Wan, they could’ve made Reva such a cooler character too. A youngling who witnessed all her friends die and is now hunting down the man who killed them while pretending to be helping him is such a cool concept. But instead we had to get a predictable redemption storyline where she does awful stuff throughout the entire show and then one good thing at the very end to show she’s now good.
They could easily pull off operation Valkyrie type of twist for Reva, just to kill her off at hands of Vader protecting himself and the emperor. Making that all sacrifices she has done to walk up the ladder more necessary. Otherwise her motivation is: I killed men, women and children just to get to that one guy who killed men, women and children. She could have gone against the whole regime that ruined the way things were for her. Poorly written and acted character. Reva will be forgotten like rest of modern Star Wars. When I first heard about rumors, that they will be making Obi-Wan spinoff series, I thought it will be hard to ruin, as Ewan McGregor us a good actor, who aged well for the role of a Jedi that lost his way. But man, did they mess this up. I still don't get why Obi-Wan did not kill Vader, when he literally concluded, with the help of Vader, that his friend Anakin is dead. Think of all the things Vader did and how many lives he took after this "battle" took place. Whoever decided to go with Jason Bourne style shaking camera duel must be removed from filmmaking in general.
From the get go I was saying I was gonna be real mad if she got a redemption arc because yeah that keeps happening and maybe for once I want to see a villain who has so many opportunities to become good but consistently stays evil because sometimes being evil in the face of forces pushing you otherwise is cooler and sexier. At the very least though she didn't fucking die immediately after so hey that's new.
Reva honestly feels like two different ideas for characters. The obsessed inquisitor who wants Vader’s approval by killing Obi Wan… And the traumatized Padawan who wants revenge on the man who took her family away from her and slaughtered her friends. These two sides don’t blend well together and it makes Reva feel like two different people. It makes her feel very inconsistent.
I struggle with reva honestly because the wrote her so reactive it feels like. Even having finished the show I look back and I'm still unsure how all the pieces fit together as a cohesive, thought out plan.
@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 people aren't so easily defined as you paint it out to be. But it's very clear that she wanted both those things. She wanted to deliver Obi Wan to Vader to gain his trust and move up in ranks, and she wanted revenge on him.
The "learning how to take care of others" thing is kind of funny because that wave hit gaming about a decade ago. A lot of story driven games have you protecting/saving/etc someone young, and it's just interesting to see how common of a trope its become.
Someone once said that was basically because a whole bunch of people in the industry became dads at around the same age and ended up writing about their newfound dadliness. Honestly makes sense.
Another common trope you see is the “tough badass with a heart of gold”. Which is kinda given for combat games as you have to make the protagonist likable while making him brutal enough to fit the gameplay. (Arthur Morgan, John Marston, Joel just to name a few) Funny part is I adore all these games and characters lol
@@FelisImpurrator TLOU set the stage and we never went back. doesnt bother me much because i fucking LOVE that trope, so im just swimming in goodness but i can see how it would irritate the shit out of people just because of how common it is
@@thesabotagedandovershadowe8423 I'm fine with the dad trope, but I am tired of the grizzled, stoic everyman thing in general. I honestly just want more characters with clearly distinguished and varied personalities and don't particularly care about how "relatable" their life experiences are, or how many broad demographic boxes they check. Just, goddamn do conventional gender roles bore me.
Reva’s half of episode 6 is so contrived it’s almost hilarious. She hears a garbled message from Bail talking about a boy on Tatooine, somehow concludes that this kid is a son of Anakin, walks off her stab wound, and goes to kill him because she thinks Vader would care whatsoever if she does.
Honestly I found it so stupid. She hears the garbled talk about a boy on Tatooine then immediately thinks, hey it must be that owen lets guy that I happened to bump into. No way it could be anyone else. She just somehow knows exactly who it is and where to go
Also her strat to kill Vader after years undercover was just to sneak up behind him and swing her lightsaber at him?? Like THATS how she thought she would get him? At least attack him while he is trying to force pull the ships.
@@SpotonCM Bail mentioned the name Owen, yes, but not his full name of Owen Lars. It would stand to reason that there's likely more than one person on Tatooine with Owen as their first name.
I don't know why Disney having all the money in the world doesn't hire good writers. Also, is George Lucas so demonized for Disney to ask him a little bit (A LITTLE BIT) of consulting?? Why?? Star Wars was his story. This is nothing but fanfiction.
@@Nutella_Fiasco i just want to know how she got to tatooine far before, obi-wan did the diversion thing with the transport ship, fights and defeats vader, and then gets to tatooine right when she has already got to Luke, while with a hole in her stomach.
At the end of the day, I feel like Reva was completely unnecessary to the story. You could have cut her out entirely and had Vader been the one doing everything she was doing. The focus should have been on those two the entire time and If this was just a movie and we had way more Ewan and Hayden I think the praise would be unreal, Ewan and Hayden did amazing and I'm just grateful that they returned and for their performances.
In a movie format Reva would have been really good, they just stretched out her arc and kept reiterating who she is and what she's going to do (which is obviously the action that ends up changing her for the better)
Reva moves the plot forward. Vader is the ghost from Obi-wan's past pursuing him that he desperately wants to escape until he finally comes to terms with the past and confronts him at the end. Reva is the bridge that connects Vader and Obi-wan, forcing Obi-wan to deal with his lingering trauma by bringing him out of hiding using Leia as bait.
I loved it, it was extremely well executed of course, but i can't but think it was very nearly a carbon copy of Twilight of the Apprentice episode from Star Wars Rebels, just with Obi-Wan instead of Ahsoka this time. Like even the main beats of the scene is similar.
I don't know why people care so much about the fact that it resembles the scene from Rebels. The final Vader scene in Obi-Wan did the same thing with the mask true, but it had a lot more emotional impact than Vader and Ahsoka sharing a couple of words in a show most people didn't care about.
@@odd-eyes6363 I wish your words were true but there's a crazy amount of SW crackheads worshipping this Saturday morning cartoon To anyone who liked the show and is getting angry at my language, let's just agree to disagree
@@odd-eyes6363 uhmm yeah no it didnt. Why would Vader console his arch enemy by saying; It wasnt you who killed anakin, it was me. The very reason for his pain, and he just takes away all his guilt by saying that to obi. Yeah vader is such a nice guy.
I think the scene where he fights Reva is cool, right up to when he stabs her. Vader should have killed her, but in an out-of-character moment he just leaves.
@@BrandontheAwesome If I have learned anything about Vader, its that on the outside he is a badass motherfucker who can tear apart legions with ease.......and he's also the biggest drama queen in the galaxy. Everything in Obi-wan works in my head cannon. Except the fights with stormtroopers. What is with the scenes where a group of stormtroopers are literally standing right in front of the main characters and still can't hit them. The non-jedi fight scenes were awful.
@@BrandontheAwesome I couldn’t agree more. The game Jedi Fallen Order demonstrates how Vader treats his Inquisitors: if they mess up, they get the beating saber
@@snakefan3124 It's all because Disney wants to create new characters so they don't have to pay royalties, which I wouldn't mind IF MOST OF THEM WERE EVEN SLIGHTLY INTERESTING.
You nailed pretty much exactly how I felt after watching this series, and Disney Star Wars as a whole. It’s all just far too reliant on fan service and callbacks. I’ll admit, there’s some genuinely good moments, but they’re just too far and few between to keep me invested. And speaking of which, it’s so hard to be invested in something when you already know the fate of all the major characters. Even when they try to present a situation where any of the main characters are in danger, you already know they’ll be perfectly fine.
That's why having Vader and Obi-Wan meet _and_ fight, twice(!), made no sense. I mean, cool scenes indeed, but in the big picture it made no narrative sense whatsoever. This is textbook fanservice imho. And it wasn't helped by the Scooby Doo type shit like Leia hiding under Obi-Wan's coat. Could it have worked? Maybe. There's tons of emotion between the two to explore since Mustafar, and we all wanted to see it happen, even if it broke canon a bit. But this was just so poorly executed it hurts. Again.
What’s funny is that cosmonauts favorite scene of Vader’s mask busted open while fighting obi wan is stolen from starwars rebels. These writers are so bad they have to steal other meaningful sequences from their own IP’s animated series. Not to mention the Fallen Order scene where Vader force pushes water flooding his base.
@@vtecanddohc He also does the "I'll do what I must" and the lightsaber shines on his face before he strikes his pose like he did in rebels. I was kinda thrown out of the moment because it seemed like lines were just tossed together from other media he was in in the battle. I really wanted to enjoy it, but nothing was really new
@@vtecanddohc I wish they would have stolen 0.1% of the amazing stuff from the extended universe for the sequel trilogy, rather than shitting all over the franchise lol
That part where you said that if you overhyped the show then it won’t be good is the truest statement abt this show. But tbh I can’t blame anyone who did overhype it, we’ve been literally waiting since 2019 for this show to release
And the one time they did take a big risk (The Last Jedi) they messed it up in a completely opposite way by doing anti-fan service and pissing every fan off. They just can't seem to get anything right besides Mandolorian.
@@mveytia TLJ wasn't after your childhood, mate. It's not anti-fan service. It is an authentic story with a core and themes, unlike the other movies that make up that trilogy. The majour beats of the plot (also very conspicuously the same beats most TLJ haters have a problem with) ultimately serve a coherent narrative, from Snoke dying to Rey nobody to Poe being an idiot and having to learn not to act like one. And don't forget Luke, that is fallible and human and relatable unlike his deepfake doppelganger that got some fans crying.
@@moscanaveia The problem with Luke Skywalker in TLJ, was that he is a complete opposite character from what he was in the original trilogy. And it’s all because of dumb decisions he made. Why would he try to kill his nephew, instead of comforting him and helping him not turn to the dark side? You can argue by saying Luke’s character in TLJ makes since, but just because something makes since, doesn’t mean it’ll make a good story. And why would a leader like Holdo not tell her team the plan? I wouldn’t trust a leader who wouldn’t tell me any plan at all.
@@moscanaveia TLJ is a bad movie, it doesn’t matter if the themes are good if the movie poorly executed them. The examples you used are wrong because it isn’t what the movie shows
@@chessygrind9223 “just because something makes sense doesn’t mean it will make a good story” Don’t think like that, the reason the Sequels are bad is because of this mentality. It’s the job of the writers to think of creative ways that make sense in order to generate stakes and create an well made story
I really do think that, as far as shows go, they could fuck up the other shows, but this was one that they had to nail and they just didn't bar from a couple of moments. I kept watching it thinking, "I want this to be better". There is so much dead air and then you get to the good juicy stuff and then just more dead air, back and forth. Predictable and just like an flat escalator of a series, just moving along, and then occasionally being like "oh shit, we have literal Obi wan Ewan and Hayden Anakin" for a second, and then back to Ewan just doing very little for a while.
I wanted an in depth character study of Obi Wan post Revenge of the Sith. Imagine the regret of all the things that went unsaid to Anakin and the guilt that he played a part in his student's downfall and to an extent Padme's death. THAT is what I wanted this show to be about. Toss in some Owen, Beru, Tusken Raiders, and some Qui-Gon and Vader with a few well placed flashbacks and you'd have a pretty compelling story for most fans. But this is Disney Star Wars and we have to have action action action and a little child character that Kenobi has to save and grow attached to, even when it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense lore wise. I was really disappointed with most of this show. The highs are high, but the lows are very low and drag the whole thing down. Maybe I'll buy the Kenobi novel and give that a read now to see how it compares.
Ewan and Hayden both said in interviews that they'd love to reprise their roles in the future, so if this series gets a 2nd season it could leave more room for introspection and flashback scenes, without any of the subplots from the first 6 episodes
@@estheay3611 Lol wtf would a second season be? Yet another contrived fight between Kenobi and Vader just for Kenobi to beat him again and leave him alive?
@@LordVader1094 iI could focus on Obi-Wan reconnecting with Qui-Gon after so many years, which the ending of episode 6 intentionally left the door open for
Leia clearly knew Obi-Wan in A New Hope based on the message she gave him, so having her meet Obi-Wan makes sense from a continuity standpoint. Vader facing Obi-Wan again is a little more iffy continuity wise. In a New Hope, Vader stated the last time they meant he was still a student and Obi-Wan was his teacher, and that clearly wasn't the case in the series anymore (also, Vader's comment about sensing something he hadn't in a long time works a little better if they hadn't met in almost 20 years rather than just 9). Then again, Star Wars has never been very consistent in terms of continuity. Narrative wise, having Leia be the voice of innocence to the guilt ridden Obi-Wan was an easy route for the series to take but I didn't mind too much as they did have a lot of nice little moments. And the final battle between Vader and Obi-Wan was very satisfying emotionally as was him finally meeting Qui-Gon. It's just the amount of filler that you had to get through to reach that climax.
@@DukeSkylocker I would've liked the show a lot more if all of that filler went to something more substantial and character focused, not just bouncing from planet to planet with a ton of mediocre action. As good as Ewan and Hayden were again, they were a bit wasted in this show. The had to opportunity to really give fans of the prequels a satisfying story and they kind of botched it.
My feelings about “The Mandolorian” exactly. They gave us “fresh and new” and then immediately dragged the character into the story of other characters we already know. With “Kenobi” there just wasn’t enough risk taken, but that’s the trap they got themselves into.
I haven't seen Mandalorian's season 2 yet, but this is the first time I've heard anyone complain about it. Most things I've heard have been on par with season 1, it's probably just a matter of taste though from the sounds of it.
My favorite part was when Jared Leto came out with a lightsaber and said “May the Morb be with you” and shot a blast of bats at Darth Vader. 11/10 one of the series of all time.
Seeing both Ewan and Hayden as their characters again was what I wanted for so long. They were given enough for us to appreciate them, but everything else was just meh. Shame, really. At least the fan reception for those two is still strong, even after a somewhat bland show.
But what did you actually want?? Cosmonaut points out there's nothing left to do with these characters!! Their arc is complete!! in a 6 episode series the two cant even sit down and talk about what went wrong between them, so what we get is two lightsaber fights that essentially end in a draw. And yes, Obi Wan probably should have killed space Hitler instead of letting the tyrannical maniac continue to oppress the galaxy but yay catharsis I guess
@@terminatrix92 What I wanted when this show was officially announced was a chance for both Ewan and Hayden to actual be able to play these characters with non-shakespearean dialogue and actual direction. While they did a good job with what they got, the show itself was underwhelming.
@@terminatrix92 I expected to see more of the arc that we saw with Kenobi in the show and him learning from Qui-Gon-Jinn about how to be a force ghost, but also see more of how Vader is different from Anakin and how he has learned from his experiences as the Emperor's right hand. More depth than how I've explained it. Didn't expect Leia and Reva to take up so much of the show.
One thing I loved about Part V was how they used the flashback of Anakin and Obi-Wan's duel training to illustrate how Vader had learned to adapt and not let his emotions get the best of him in combat, effectively putting Third Sister in his former position maturity-wise
@@Dgjserffft More of a fault of how RotS handled his turn towards corruption. I feel like until this show, The Clone Wars was probably the only time I actually got an organic sense of transition between Anakin and Vader, that implied the seeds for his turn were always there. It's actually something I commend Obi-Wan for doing in terms of his presentation
I like the new side of Vader this show showed. Yes, he’s very smart, and powerful, but he more than anyone else can get incredibly blindsided by revenge.
Disney’s starting to have this infuriating knack for mixing in some of the absolute best and absolute worst of Star Wars within the same works. Like, The Last Jedi has that breathtaking confrontation between Kylo and force-projected Luke, but it also has the casino planet b.s. Now Kenobi has the perfect reunion of Obi-Wan and Anakin, with their awesome battle and the poetic words they exchange, but it also has the Leia chase, or that dumb fight in the tunnels…
That's always how star wars has been though? There's a lot of dumb/terrible shit in ALL of these movies lmao. Even KOTOR has some really low points (Taris is very boring on replays imo).
@@ijiikieru but does that mean it has to be like that forever? Mando S1 was perfect, gratifying star wars with no hokey little kid bullshit. Need more of that
I don’t plan on watching any of the new Star Wars shows besides Mandalorian. I’m so bored with Star Wars. People complain about Rian Johnson but don’t even realize he’s talented lol.
@@aexcezz9573 sure he's talented but doesn't mean he didn't majorly screw up last jedi. It honestly feels like he didn't understand the type of movie he was making and I'm not talking about star wars as a whole. I remember hearing about him trying to subvert expectations which sure could work but he went too far and people hated last jedi. He then went and did the same thing with knives out and it worked out but idk it seems it was at the cost of the last jedi.
you can tell from all of the PR that Ewan, Hayden, Moses and everyone else were ready and raring to give us the best they got. So happy they're all back. Kathleen and the writing team, however...
Others already said this, but some of these shows, at least Boba Fett and Obi-Wan, were meant to be spin-off films like Rogue One and Solo. When the latter didn't do good, they were put on hold/scrapped. Then Mandolorian happened and Disney realized they could use the ideas/scripts to instead create more shows/mini-series to keep people on Disney Plus for the Streaming Wars.
OMG that chase scene in the forest. I think CW level is generous. I'm glad they didn't hype up Leia before hand because I just wouldn't have wanted it and I think it was madness to try. But I kinda loved her. Maybe her and Obi-wan's moments together are my favourite bits. I'm a bit surprised they didn't put the money into this but I get the feeling it ultimately wouldn't have happened but for Ewan McGregor wanting it to actually happen after all the talk. I don't think I expected much really but it did the impossible for me and actually made me think of Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader as the same character. The prequels never convinced me I was watching the same guy but somehow this weird Star Wars made like a Dr Who episode has made me think of them as the same character. That's well worth my time. But I will have to wait for my ultimate test of any Star Wars media: how rewatchable is it.
@@Mister_Jay_Tee For rewatchability my order would be: 4 5 6 1&3 2&7 8&Rogue1 Solo 9 Ewok movies Holiday special I'm guessing this will sit in the middle if it ages okay.
I think "character learns to take care of other people younger than self" is just a weird comfort zone for whenever they start a new project. The Clone Wars movie was about saving the little hut kid, and the show started out as a way of humanizing Anakin by making him care about Ahsoka. Rebels was at least partially about Ezra's master (Canaan?) caring about Ezra. All of the shows you listed use it as a plot device, and then to top it all off Rogue One is about a bunch of people learning to care about each other before they all die. Weird long-running trend
Putting it that way, I can get why some people really *really* love the prequels. Those movies are literally about a guy who just cares so much that ends up not caring at all.
It's a shame Star Wars stopped making movies for awhile now. If Obi-Wan Kenobi was turned into a movie, this would definitely bring back many fans to theatres after the disappointment that was episode 9.
The Good/Bad SW movie ratio makes me glad they stopped making them. Content in other media has been much stronger. I only like Rogue One out of any of the new movies.
@@ergob3907 I only kind of like solo, I think with Disney star wars movies they werent that great because they were more a checklist to make fans giggle instead of having an actual story in mind (solo included), and it seems like the shows have started to go in that direction as well.
Yup agreed. It was definitely a show that came out in 2022. No arguing It was a show that was released on Disney plus. And without a doubt it was a show about Star Wars.
Let’s analyze how Reva got the communicator in that second to last episode. Obi-Wan hands off his stuff to fake Jedi so that he can sacrifice himself to the bad guys to buy enough time for everyone to get away. So he goes out, has a conversation with the bad guys, eventually gets back inside and is like, “Hey, I’m back, let’s get outta here!” Fake Jedi drops the communicator because…I guess he’s just clumsy, then Reva finds it after getting stabbed. The writing throughout just seemed so sloppy and forced (pun intended).
That explains the rumored spin-off that popped up a while ago. Which if true will kind of suck because if my theory is correct they’ll be juggling her distant past as a Padawan, more recent past as an Inquisitor and her present as an Imperial Defector which I’m not very confident in since they couldn’t do it right with just 2 eras in Book of Boba Fett
@@masterdeetectiv9520 At this current moment it’s only a rumor (I’m going to edit my comment to be less misleading, my bad) but given the way her arc went and the fact that she leaves this show alive I wouldn’t be surprised if they do in fact do it
I think this show should've been a movie solely focused on deepening the relationship between Kenobi and Vader. They don't need new character to share the spotlight almost as equally as Kenobi because her role could easily be filled with Vader. Besides if Vader wanted to destroy Kenobi so bad, it's only natural that he constantly and personally hunt him down from the very beginning. And besides, Reva's story is compelling enough to have her own show, I think most people wouldn't mind having a show about a new character who was a Padawan survivor and she infiltrated the Empire to kill the Sith Lord for killing all her friends.
It was supposed to be a movie. Remember during the Sequels they announced a whole roster of stand-alone movies? Kenobi was on that, as were Boba Fett and Ashoka. Then the Sequels and Solo tanked and the other movies got cancelled. After The Mandalorian was a break-out succes they dusted off the scripts and well, here we are. Take Book of Boba Fett. That's why the pacing is all over the place and you get throw-away filler scenes/episodes and unimportant side-characters. The whole Tusken Flashback in BoBF is fifteen minutes of movie time at most but they stretched it out over several episodes. And the episodes with Mando should have been in his own series but they needed something to fill out the season. With the exception of The Mandalorian each series could be condensed down to two hours just fine. They're movies stretched thin. Kenobi should have been about Obi-Wan, Luke, and Owen. Nothing more. Because before this series it used to be canon that Obi-Wan never met Vader or Leia between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope 19 years later. The Death Star fight was their first fight since Mustafar. So having them meet _and_ fight (twice!) in between creates gigantic canon- and character-breaking problems and you have to be a really good writer to make it work. Unfortunately, Disney doesn't have good writers it seems. I mean, if Vader is so hell-bent on getting revenge on Obi-Wan then why did he let him get away so easily in ep. 3? The writers just demonstrated Vader can extinguish fires with the Force just fifteen seconds before. Sure, dramatic stare and pose and all, great shot, but it makes no sense. This is special fire or something? Why doesn't he Force-grab the droid, or Obi-Wan again? That's what he did moments before. And it makes even less sense Obi-Wan spares Vader really. But he has to because well, the OT movies. And Reva shouldn't have been in this show, agreed. She would have worked a lot better in her own series right from the start. Now she's getting trashed on because she takes away from the other character arcs. But she's in it because all other characters have impenetrable plot armor and the writers needed someone with stakes. She's a plot device that gets bounced around between a fixed narrative. At best they have interesting ideas that are executed poorly, like Reva, and the rest is really just desperate fanservice. They knew the fans would be hyped the moment they brought Hayden into the series, they just didn't know how to deliver on that hype. On their own the fight scenes between Vader and Obi-Wan are pretty okay, but in the big picture they make no narrative sense and shouldn't exist. It's all show and no substance in the end.
I still remember seeing an artist create a scene that had Anakin and Kenobi chatting and then it slowly devolves into a nightmare and such a scene could have been fascinating. Seeing Kenobi struggle more from their last encounter.
Their final conversation really was the best part. It's just a pity we already saw it six years ago when they did the exact same thing with Ahsoka in Rebels. Wait my mistake, she slashed Vader's other eye.
That scene was totally the best part. Then my bf showed me the EXACT same scene in Rebels and I was so disappointed. It was almost the exact same scene verbatim! Wtf?
For me I don’t mind it because it shows both Ahsoka and Obi Wan couldn’t fully remove Vader’s helmet… But Luke could. I personally think it’s very poetic. But hey that’s just me.
@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 Ya but the problem is when you show that in the same identical way. Wait till Vader reunites with R2D2 and they have a scuffle in which Vader's helmet is AGAIN broken and you have the same identical scene AGAIN
True. When I saw Joby Harold name on the series even before the trailer came out I drop my expectations far bellow. And now I'm thankful for doing that.
I physically rolled my eyes every time Reva was onscreen. I cannot believe someone wrote this character, cast them, and then said, “yeah, that’s good. I believe that. Put it in the show.”
You know what's really bad? That people decided to make racist comments about the actress. Now Disney will think people are just racist, and not that she was just a bad character.
I think Taika Waitits Star Wars movies is gonna be the breath of fresh air he’s looking for I think so as well Taika understands that Star Wars needs to grow and be something new and hopefully it’s awesome but Taika is a good director his episode in Mandalorian Season 1 was awesome so I think Taika knows what he’s doing
@@dankerbell yep he’s definitely doing everything new and that’s awesome what I want from Star Wars again is the thrill cause in ObI Wan you know no one is gonna die or have really bad battle damage I want those lightsaber fights to be thrilling again
My thoughts exactly. I didn't really see a need for yet another show set between episodes 3 and 4, but Kenobi was my exception. I was fine with going back and having these actors that desperately want to reprise their roles back in the character's shoes. But the thing is, is that it's like they knew they didn't really have to try because everyone was going to watch it anyway. What should have been the best and final spinoff property involving a main character ended up being an okay, meh, stretched out story that didn't really need to be told.
It should have been a movie with a higher budget. Everything I have a problem with comes from it being a show on D+. It's a 7/10 show that could have been a 9/10. It feels like the prequels, for better and for worse. I don't get why they didn't get Greg Fraiser to do the cinematography again though.
@@jole5468 yeah I'm thinking the show is realistically about a 4-5 there is little to see as a redeeming quality between the bad sets, mediocre and recycled dialogue, plot points that make NO sense, episodes that serve no purpose and repeated prior episodes, and overall just horrible attention to detail and overall writing. This show was a huge let down.
7:50 The best moments are these short bits. And like you said, it feels like they tried to write a story around this idea. We need more short things. Just short disconnected scenes like Visions but based in canon (it doesn’t have to be but that helps it get views). That’s why I think this new CW prequel/spin-off might be one of the best things we’ve gotten since the Siege on Mandalore.
That period between this show and A New Hope still has opportunities to tell small condensed stories with obi wan. Im open to seeing a second season as long as it is faaaaaaar from this
What I didn’t get was how on earth did obi wan in episode 5 go from swinging his lightsaber like a baseball and struggling with a couple stormtroopers to beating up darth vader literally the next episode like excuse me?
not that it justifies it at all but i think it had to do with the shock of seeing vader for the first time, and the trauma and the guilt that he had for himself for anakin. the second time he realizes the serenity of who anakin turned into and from there he fed off of that.
His whole arch was that he turned from a broken man who was ruled by failure into the confident and driven obi wan we know and love. It really humanized him for me which i thought was cool cus i dont think weve ever really gotten to see how all that rots stuff really effected him like we did here.
Thank you for acknowledging the forest chase scene with Leia, I was flabbergasted they out something that looked so fake and cheap in this…but they did
Imagine they introduced Reva as a background character and saved her arc/padawan reveal for her own show, where we follow the efforts of a JEDI SPY in the Empire. We could watch internal conflict as she carries out their will while plotting against Vader. Make it tragic and sad when she fails! Obviously she cant kill Vader so her personal mission is useless to this show, no clue what the writers had in mind for her by surviving. She LET GO OF HER HATE at the end which was apparently keeping her alive??? So many bad decisions with what couldve been a very interesting character She already is a clear representation of the trauma left in the Jedi's wake, why have her in the show where that's already a core theme between the two main characters?
All characters have impenetrable plot armor and the writers needed someone with stakes. She's a plot device bounced around between a fixed narrative. Agreed she would have worked a lot better in her own show. But that's Disney Star Wars, interesting ideas executed poorly. Sometimes behind a shed.
I couldn’t believe they wasted so much time with Reva instead of it being Kenobi slicing apart Inquisitors until the Vader confrontation. I don’t think any Inquisitors even died. You could literally create a bunch of them just for Kenobi to overcome. Also, the amount of people getting stabbed straight through their torso with a lightsaber and then it having absolutely no consequence is fucking ridiculous. There’s no stakes for anyone bc if you have plot armor nothing even injures you!
@@audaciousjones The Dark Side kept him alive, his sheer *unadulaterated hatred* for Kenobi sustained him long enough to presumably get the wound treated.
Bruh, they literally had two other inquisitors that just disappeared halfway through the series. I was waiting for obiwan to fight the inquisitor played by Han from Fast and Furious but he just peaced out!
@@Roach_CEO Leia being kidnapped and saved for the second time in a series that is just 6 episodes long didn’t work imho. The plot really felt like it was meandering and dragging its feet in the 4th episode
Hayden's acting in the Prequels is not his fault. George Lucas just writes awful dialogue. Mark, Carrie, and Harrison all made fun of his dialogue when he was directing the original films, but then his wife and some of his friends stepped in and changed some stuff around. Hayden Christensen can do great when given good material, but he wasn't.
I liked the scenes where anakin was “young” and it showed them in the past. Had they had a higher budget they woulda used cgi to make anakin look young
@@jakegillbanks7776FR. Seeing a 45 something trying to play his 20 something self is akin to 30 year olds trying to pass as high schoolers. It was jarring.
Bruh the actress for Leia genuinely carried the show for me. It's weird that I found her acting a lot more natural and better than those she shares the scene with.
I've been saying this, but keep being told she was shit at acting. I thought she was great, especially for her age, and did much better than the script deserved
Yeah, Leia's actress actually did a super good job. But boy oh boy, some of the other actors in this show were so awkward to watch (like that alien truck driver)
I saw one comment saying how young Leia doesn’t fit Leia at all. Idk what he was on about. This is exactly how princess leia would act as a child. I think they nailed her character. she’s one of the few things this show got right
I actually thought she was such a good actress that it was kind of unnerving. She did a superb job for a child actor but the way she was written as "witty baby super genius" was just awful imo. Just make her a normal child. Why does she know electrical engineering at the age of... 10? Just to function as a callback to young Anakin, despite it making 0 sense within the context of this story? Awful
This show, along with Book of Boba Fett, Rise of Skywalker, and some of the second season of the Mandalorian, have just felt like there are way too many people working on these projects, and none of them have any real vision of the show. It feels like instead of having some kind of focused story, there are tons of people all throwing around little ideas, like: "What if baby Princess Leia was here?" "What if there was a fight at Uncle Owen's farm?" "What if we pretended to kill off characters that you know survive to generate stupid online debates?" It's like they care more about stringing together little moments that get people talking for a day or so rather than actually writing out a compelling story.
this!!! like yes we enjoy cameos but if done right that actually fits the story!! and yea agree that we’re sick of them just for the sake of them. mando 1 was compelling bc it’s something we’ve never seen before and new, so that’s why it hit off so well (lol like marcus said)
@@rachelmorgan7565 I liked the Qui-Gon cameo too, but I expected that since the series was announced, lol. I agree though, pointless cameos are getting old.
I quite liked the flashback of Obi wan and Anakin training together. Hayden's performance kind of bridged that gap between live action Anakin and Clone Wars Anakin. Yeah, sure it looks a little funky with both of them clearly having aged quite a lot since the movies, but a flashback feels very natural in the context. Sure they could have maybe reused some scenes, but why not have new ones? With better dialogue too. Honestly I'm just glad they didn't try to cg them back to youth. I would not be opposed to having more of them
Yep. So much so that they have TWO episodes revolving around Obi-Wan rescuing baby Leia. Revenge of the Sith teased Obi-Wan receiving more training from Qui-Gon, and this show ends the exact same way. Obi-Wan's character was reset off-screen and becomes a faithful Jedi again. Luke and Leia are safe again. Nothing has changed.
I love how Obi-Wan is supposed to be keeping a low profile, yet in the first episode he has a conversation with Owen on the street about training Luke, and Owen retorts by saying "oh, like how you trained his father." The inquisitors are on the planet, there were people standing behind them when they had this conversation. So much for keeping a low profile. Obi-Wan might as well have just run around Tatooine shouting, "HEY EVERYONE, I'M A JEDI!"
i love how they have advanced technology , yet apparently no news. How is Obi Wans face not plastered everywhere? At least some posters in the streets. The EMPIRE is literally hunting him and all jedi 😭
Like how do the storm troopers know they’re supposed to be looking for a jedi (obi wan) but have no clue what obi wan looks like. The Empire can’t send them a hologram picture or a sketch of what he may look like???
I kinda think that's a nitpick - I don't think anyone would assume he must be talking about jedi training hearing the conversation on the street. We know what they're talking about but I don't think some random on the street would. Also inquisitors didn't make themselves known in the area until after their conversation But that's just my thoughts
like so many other people, i was pretty enthusiastic when i first heard about the prospect of this show a couple years ago (obi-wan and ewan himself are two of my all-time faves, so i was hardly going into the series looking for a hate-watch). i wanted to be optimistic, but you can imagine my disappointment when it comes to that chase scene with leia through the forest - it’s one instance of how this series treats its audience with such little respect, in my opinion. i mean, i realise that the writers were saddled with this problem from the get-go given the show’s premise, but it’s hard to feel any real tension or excitement regarding characters who i know cannot be seriously harmed before the events of the original trilogy, like when leia is threatened by her kidnappers or when obi-wan is faced with any kind of trouble whatsoever. maybe with an engaging screenplay and a clearer focus on character development this problem wouldn’t feel so obvious (because it really shouldn’t have to be a problem whatsoever), but with the show’s lacklustre third sister antagonist as an obvious example, i feel like this wasn’t realised at all. i wish i could experience the payoff of that final heart-to-heart between vader and obi-wan, but i really cannot bring myself to watch anywhere past the second episode because of how damn mid it all is.
Another issue I had with Obi-Wan that I'm surprised Cosmo hadn't mentioned is the lack of proper lighting. There were a LOT of dark scenes in which I could barely see anything happening, especially since I don't have a dark theater room to enjoy the show in. I wish modern TV shows would step away from this "realistic" light technique that only muddies the overall narrative.
Thing for me with this show: I loved everything Vader related throughout it. I thought Hayden Christiansen did a great job as Vader and put a really strong performance in. Unfortunately, lots of the show was spent fleshing out unnecessary parts of the story. Reva NOT being killed when stabbed and exposed by Vader and the Inquisitor just for her to complete a pointless redemption arc that we knew had to happen was infuriating, especially because they kept cutting away from the main fight, which was comfortably the best fight in the show. The plot wasn’t great, but it was ok to suspend your disbelief and just enjoy the characters, even if this show could have taken a more interesting arc for its main story. 7/10
Yeah, but looking at the production values, it really seems like the tapped into Ewan McGregors DMs and where like "Hey, wanna do a show?" And he was like: "Yeah."
Same. But I think that’s because my expectations weren’t sky high like everyone else’s. I wanted to see Obi-wan and Vader on screen together again and I got that.
@@Sajirah My expectations were kinda high, kinda not. But I got what I wanted. Vader vs Obi Wan. I honestly didn't expect it to be Mandalorian level good. There's only so much they can do
@@Sajirah I actually like that it wasn't this big bombastic show. The moment they introduced Vader to the narrative I just wanted them to actually have the two characters confront in a more meaningful way than they did in Ep. 3. And I got that.
I wholeheartedly agree with all of this. I absolutely loved the climactic conversation Obi-Wan and Anakin had in episode 6, but the rest of the show was kind of bleak.
I feel like that "Something Different" for Star Wars was Visions. I think they need to commit to a non-canon Star Wars animated series of some kind that's reminiscent of those mini-episodes. Because that stuff was legitimately good content (for the most part).
Well the thing is, non canon or not, the EU from the games to the books to the comics is no longer on the table due to Disney meddling and wanting to create their own narratives. I'm still hoping for a KOTOR storyline, but I know that will never happen
I heard there's a season 2 of Visions in the works, but I'll have to double check to be sure. If there is, I hope we get continuations to some of the previous shorts. My favorites were The Ninth Jedi and The Twins.
I pretty much entirely agree. There were some things I really enjoyed, some things I LOVED, some things that confused me and I thought were silly...and a lot I just found kinda boring? The last episode is genuinely fantastic and Ewan and Hayden sell the crap out of that last fight/scene. It would have absolutely been better if it were another of their solo movies (no pun intended) because then using the "rescue princess Leia" plot device as the structure would've been fine cause there were even parts of that that I enjoyed. I'd lean more towards a 7/10 I think but 6/10 is pretty fair.
I love it when someone voices exactly what I was thinking. This is essentially the same show over and over. It worked for Mando pretty good since it actually makes sense in his story. At this point it's just swapping the characters and setting but making the same story over and over.
The best content is seeing obi wan survive his day to day life. The intricacies of daily tattooine life. That’s such immersive interesting stuff. And seeing him interact with others. Explain or show his feelings more. Man such wasted potential
Not really. It is another Star Wars thing about a character we don't care about (Andor) after Solo and Boba Fett. I don't care about Andor he was boring. So was the main female character whatever her name was. It takes during the Empire years again and Mon Mothma is in it. We know the fates of all the characters like Obi-Wan. Andor gets nuked by the Death Star and Mothma becomes Chancellor of the New Republic and dies after her tenure.
Honestly, this should’ve been a film. I liked eps 3 (ish) 5 and 6, but a lot just felt like filler. Few too many corny or braindead scenes but also some of the best scenes of all Star Wars. I have zero idea how to feel rn. Edit: Ah basically the main point of video, probably should’ve watched it first.
I do think this show plays an important role between ep 3 and 4. It shows how Obi Wan recovers after the devastation that is ep 3, and how he turns into the positive Ben we see in ep 4. The show also made me like Leia more than ever before, and it made it much easier to see Vader and Anakin as truly one person. We obviously know consciously, that he is one person, but behind that mask, before this, it was also just so hard to actually imagine Anakin being there. This show elevated ep 4 so much in my eyes. The death of Owen and Beru feel a lot more tragic and impactful, the weight of Kenobi and Vader meeting again feels heightened, some of the comments from Obi Wan just make more sense after this, and Leia reaching out to Obi Wan, and Alderaan being destroyed also feel more impactful. To me this was an absolute positive surprise
Pretty much agree but there’s one thing I hated on top and it was the weird direction decision in when Vader was fighting obi wan the first time and there was the tunnel chance. Like the fact rebel lady didn’t come across reva on the way out and you just didn’t know where reva rebel lady or Leia was really was a glaring issue for me, it might seem like a nitpick but I genuinely all of a sudden lost where they all were and got confused when certain characters didn’t meet in the tunnels.
Your point about it having enough material for a movie rather than a TV series makes sense, seeing as this was probably the pitch for when they were originally going to make it as a movie. I don't think the cheap look the show has is because of its budget, because it can go from looking really cheap to movie quality literaly from one shot to the next in the same scene. I think the director didn't know how to handle shot composition and framing with the virtual production stuido that Disney have been using since the Mandalorian.
Only problem with that theory is that Obi Wan Kenobi director Deborah Chow also directed chapters 3 and 7 of the Mandalorian, which were 2 of the best episodes of the first season, so she definitely had experience working with the studio. Idk why it feels so cheap, but it really does feel like 80% of the budget went towards getting Ewan and Hayden back together.
Man this review was spot on for me. I just can't shake the feeling that the last Jedi broke star wars. Not because it was bad (it's my favorite Disney era thing by far) bit because the backlash to it taught Disney they just had to play it safe for now on. And star wars has been living below it's potential ever since. Mandalorian season 1 is the closest we've come to anything interesting since.
Yeah I think The Last Jedi and ultimately Solo were the catalysts that made Disney do a U turn on their plans for the franchise and just double down on Disney+ shows. It’s a shame because with a more streamlined narrative and a better script, Obi-Wan Kenobi could’ve been a great “a Star Wars story” film.
Sorry Bruh, but I just can't take someone's opinion seriously who actually thought TLJ was good lol. And Mandalorian season 2 was way better than the first season to me. But Obi-Wan could've been a lot better in multiple ways. Not sure if TLJ backlash had anything to do with it's lack of quality though
I hated the Last Jedi, in fact it's the only movie I've ever seen that I've hated even though it isn't the worst movie I've seen, but playing it "safe" was not remotely the direction I wanted Disney to take away from it. I absolutely agree with everything else.
Cosmonaut: "We get another boring dark side redemption story." Cosmonaut just one video ago without a hint of irony: "Rey should have died and Kylo Ren should have lived."
I WASNT EXPECTING THIS TODAY. HELL YEAH. Thanks for the quick upload Marcus. Also yeah this show was a huge letdown. It felt like ObiWan was drunk or high the whole time. He felt like a huge dumbass to me. I can’t recall a single memorable scene except obiwan vs darth and that was just ONE scene in ONE episode. I was really excited for this because ObiWan is my favorite Star Wars character…
Honestly I get it man. Felt hope for this since kenobi was one of my favorite characters. With the way this show turned out just makes me hate Disney even more.
It's like what he said in the video. I have been saying this ever since Mando season 2. People like Mando season 1 BECAUSE it was a breath of fresh air. Not a single character in that show had a previous character we meet. It was so nice. If Disney continues to make shows like these. Nobody is going to give a fuck.
bro, when you said about the guys having fun and not caring about if people were being dicks about their movies, I legit teared up and did mad snaps and a loud "FUCK yeah! that's what it's about!!" to nobody around me 😂🙏🙌 mad props bro
One issue I had with this show is that there was a lack of stakes since we now that Leia and Obiwan would life so a lot of scenes which were intended to be tense were just empty. I also got annoyed by the “ oh the guys were on a different transport the whole time “ in the second to last episode . I felt cheated as there was no indication of another transport and it felt like the writers wrote themselves to a wall and did a half ass solution to overcome the problem
Well Andor has been in production almost 4 years at this point. Kenobi feels like it was made completely from scratch out of some re-write 6 months ago...
My favorite part is when Obi-Wan took a space uber all the way to return Leia’s droid and they don’t even invite him to like stay for dinner or use the bathroom, they immediately banish his ass back to the Arizona desert
I mean he *is* a Jedi and a wanted fugitive. Might not be a great idea for him to linger
@@brandie3344 True & besides they still have to follow the events leading up to Episode 4
@@brandie3344 then why didn’t bail fly with his daughter incognito to tatooine? He did it before. And if he is a “wanted fugitive” why even create welcoming ceremony? Why not meet somewhere in the woods?
Like the show is FULL of these little inconsistencies
Leia didnt even say hi. She ran straight to her damn bot. Eff her.
Yeah and then proceded to go trough all the arizona desert to tell uncle owen like two lines
It was great seeing Ewan and Hayden again, they carried this show. In all honesty though they deserved better.
But what did you actually want?? Cosmonaut points out there's nothing left to do with these characters!! Their arc is complete!! in a 6 episode series the two cant even sit down and talk about what went wrong between them, so what we get is two lightsaber fights that essentially end in a draw. And yes, Obi Wan probably should have killed space Hitler instead of letting the tyrannical maniac continue to oppress the galaxy but yay catharsis I guess... And getting paid millions to play these characters wasnt enough for Hayden and Ewan?? They 'deserved' more??
@@terminatrix92 I just wanted it not to suck?
@@terminatrix92 ok
@@terminatrix92 they deserved a better show. Duh. This show very easily could have been produced 3 times as well. You can tell that disneys care for this project is far exceeded by ewan and Hayden
@@terminatrix92 shut up
I think this should’ve just been a movie. There’s about ~2.5 hours of genuinely awesome stuff in this show, the only problem is it was an 8 hour experience
It was supposed to be a movie originally. There was a whole list of movies, Boba Fett, Kenobi, Ashoka, etc., that got cancelled after Solo bombed. Now they're trying to ride on the success of The Mandalorian.
@@awandererfromys1680 Imagine if they had picked a good option for that test movie instead of Solo. Like, did anyone even want a Solo movie? Idk. But if they had gone with an Obi-Wan movie and it was great, think of all the good Star Wars movies we could have gotten instead... Oh well.
@@randalljones8708 When Solo was first announced, yea I was pretty excited about it. Wasn't the only one either. Keep in mind Solo came out two years _after_ Rogue One, which was generally well received. Hell, even Lucas is on record he enjoyed that movie. I liked it too so I had good hopes for Solo. And imho, it wasn't that bad. Not great but fun.
After The Mandalorian everything became a tv show and that isn't working either. It's already hard to write for a fandom that's deeper into the lore than you will ever be, but I don't even get the feeling they're even trying at times.
it's primarily because of disney plus. in order to maintain subscribers you have to stretch out content at the expense of the material.
@@patches3 This is hurting star wars as a brand in the long run.
To me the weirdest part of this show was that the adults put so much faith in a 10 year old Leia
It’s almost like they know what her future holds. It’s almost like the writers are hiding their laziness behind this veil of worshipping leia
Yeah, like when they let her try to fix the door in ep 5 and if she doesn't fix it dozens of families will be slaughtered
Disney just wants to sell baby Leia's toys
@@LuisSierra42 bruh apparently Disney hasn’t been selling any BABY YODA merch. If there was ever an opportunity to cash in and make money off of an IP that was the time. Apparently it’s because they didn’t want to spoil anyone? Idk. Nobody is buying baby leia merch tho I’ll tell you that
@@FonzChannel I’ve seen a fuck ton of grogu merch where are you hearing they are not??
"CW level chase scene" is a perfect way to describe most action sequences in this series.
I liked the action scenes
@@reek4062 that’s fine. They still weren’t very good.
@@ammonite0257 That's why I liked them
Yooo if you liked this you should watch my review about why I DIDN'T LIKE obi wan!!
Yeah, I wanna know who okayed that Leia chase scene in the first episode. It was like a fucking SNL parody of a chase scene. It's as if Disney doesn't give a shit and gave the reigns to a bunch of novice writers and director. Oh wait..
7:51 Hands down it is indeed the best scene in the entire show. Ewan Mcgregor’s acting during this scene, his display of emotions and the line delivery of “I’m sorry, I’m sorry Anakin, for all of it” really hit me to my core. Obi-Wan feels responsible for Anakin’s downfall and he feels he could maybe get Anakin back, but he then realizes Anakin is truly gone. The way Ewan Mcgregor’s amazing acting emits Obi-Wan’s emotions was amazing and heartfelt.
sure, but I’m not giving the writers credit for a scene that was so natural any one of us could have wrote it. The writers were more focused on “deconstructing” obi wan than they were about telling a cohesive, personal story about the man. The scene almost felt patronizing, as if the writers knew what we wanted but decided to torture us for 5 episodes instead. It’s a fucking joke. I’m not trying to take away from your enjoyment, though. I also enjoyed the moment between the two of them. But I already watched a fan edit of that last duel in the show, where John Williams score was actually used, Dark Deeds and other classic imperial songs were mixed into the fight, and it felt so much more genuine. Idk, these writers are killing me.
Agreed, but then immediately after Obi-Wan just decides to walk away and leave Vader to go murder more stragglers... I know vader can't die, but come on man, give them a scenario to explain why they're both able to walk away from this
@@Crazyjay6o1 yes, the different scenario was needed. Now on top of that, years later Ben will be pressing Luke into killing Vader cause otherwise, in his words, Palpatine wins, but like, dude, if you're so into it, should've done it yourself instead of walking away. It's no longer Lucas' continuity where Obi-Wan thought burns and legs missing would do the job until proven wrong without an opportunity to try again, Kenobi doesn't have right to push Luke like that with the series in mind. Maybe if he left even more depressed, so that he tries to convince Luke to kill Anakin feeling guilt for not being able to finish the former apprentice himself, but he's happier in the end, so that's not an option either
I hated the show until the final battle, and it made all the other bs worth it.
@@nathanaguirre384 it made the first watch of the series worth it, but i doubt ill ever rewatch apart from specific moments in clips
Somehow Andor is gonna have a child character that he must learn to care for.
young jyn erso
He is the child, he's been in the fight since he was 6 years old!!!!!!!
Lmao that line is great
I fucking swear lmao
Not only did nobody care about Andor, but even his show will likely somehow be a bait & switch for a female character.
This sums up exactly how I feel about the show. So many interesting themes that were minimally explored, and were overshadowed by a story that felt pointless. Cameos and callbacks are cool for a while, but fresh and heartfelt narratives are a lot more valuable and definitely more memorable. Take, for example, the Siege of Mandalore. Peak Star Wars, and all of that is attributed to good writing, equally good direction, and solid technical work.
If Disney cared about making this series work they would've put Dave Filoni and George Lucas in charge of the production and writing, not a bunch of novice writers and mid-tier director whose never even directed a full series or movie before.
@@thehumanity0 I don't really want dave to direct this show either because it’s gonna be a cameo show like Mandalorian season 2 or the book of boba fett wow that show is bad.
@@thehumanity0 Lucas would never return and as for Dave I don't wanted Ahsoka to suddenly enter the story. I agree they still needed to put better people behind.
He couldn’t even if he wanted too ahsoka didn’t know kenobi was alive until twilight of the apprentice when esra talks about him and since that wasn’t a comic saved going to keep it consistent
@@a.f9234 The main point is put people in charge who actually have wins under their belt or who aren't complete novices. Filoni has Clone Wars, Jon Favreau has Mandalorian despite Book of Boba Fett. It at least would have a better chance of success. I named Filoni specifically because he's done the prequel material justice in the past. As for Lucas, yeah he's probably not coming back and Clone Wars Season 7 was likely his last contribution.
Genuinely wish they had had the guts to do a “final season of samurai jack” style feature with this. Imagine Obi Wan on the run, hunted by the inquisitors (or equivalent). The pain of having lost his entire word, way of life, his friends and comrades and masters weighing on him.
The guilt of having a close friend and student of his having been so failed by both the system and obi-wan himself that he became a monster that he dismembered and left to burn at a molten shoreside to stop his slaughter.
The realization his inability to deal the final blow has led to a galaxy-wide purge of those who used to be children in his care.
He runs from planet to planet always having to look over his shoulder, deprived of the chance to discuss any of his frustrations as he knows it would put others in mortal danger. The weight of all that guilt and pain crushing every moment that isn’t filled with fear or rushed desperation to keep from being caught.
Sure, maybe it’s not strictly story accurate, but it would be so thematically compelling and in-line with the “last of the old world” status that obi-wan has. I think it would have been amazing to see him struggle between keeping up the principles he was raised with in contrast with the crushing failure that they led him to.
All I wanted going into this show was a scene where Kenobi finally just completely breaks down. He’s always been calm and collected, and occasionally pushed to letting out some intense emotions. We’ve never seen him completely loose his cool and breakdown. After he lets it out he becomes the wise, calm old wizard we meet in A New Hope.
I hated the final season of Samurai Jack. Jack did NOT need a girlfriend, much less one a quarter of his age. And the finale sucked so much that they needed to make a video game to fix it.
@@ShadowSaberBaroxio I disagree I love the finale because it's a bittersweet ending to him, Yea the girlfriend subplot could be expanded more but I still enjoy it.
@@ShadowSaberBaroxio I love the fist 3 episodes. Actually phenomenal tv. It dropped off immediately after
@@BeanDogTally ^^
I absolutely cried whenever palpatine told Vader “Somehow palpatine returned” I clapped and cried so much. Such an amazing series
Top 5 Palpatine facts:
1. He is a Star wars legend
2. He is super fit.
3. He needs blood to survive
4. Somehow he came back
5.
Palpatine: I am back bitch!
@@kate_martinez795 5. He is the Senate
This comment has morbin energy
@@OhayoPippy Makes me remember that Matt Smith would have been a young palpy
If this was like the book of boba fett, a character people like but don’t necessarily care about then I’d brush it off as dumb fun. But when you bring back Hayden and Ewan after nearly 20 years for two very prominent characters that almost every star wars fan enjoys above a superficial level then you need to bring your A game.
Unfortunately, Kenobi was super mid and that’s terrible for the content that’s revolved around it.
Love you man we all miss you ❤️
yea, they bring back hayden and ewan just to spend 90% of the runtime on small leia. I don't get the people that run these stories.
Come back Mr. Weasel, I’d love to see you make more vids reviewing shows, movies, songs etc.
oh hey man, nice seeing you
It’s been a long time
On top of Obi Wan, they could’ve made Reva such a cooler character too. A youngling who witnessed all her friends die and is now hunting down the man who killed them while pretending to be helping him is such a cool concept. But instead we had to get a predictable redemption storyline where she does awful stuff throughout the entire show and then one good thing at the very end to show she’s now good.
They could easily pull off operation Valkyrie type of twist for Reva, just to kill her off at hands of Vader protecting himself and the emperor. Making that all sacrifices she has done to walk up the ladder more necessary. Otherwise her motivation is: I killed men, women and children just to get to that one guy who killed men, women and children.
She could have gone against the whole regime that ruined the way things were for her. Poorly written and acted character. Reva will be forgotten like rest of modern Star Wars.
When I first heard about rumors, that they will be making Obi-Wan spinoff series, I thought it will be hard to ruin, as Ewan McGregor us a good actor, who aged well for the role of a Jedi that lost his way. But man, did they mess this up. I still don't get why Obi-Wan did not kill Vader, when he literally concluded, with the help of Vader, that his friend Anakin is dead. Think of all the things Vader did and how many lives he took after this "battle" took place. Whoever decided to go with Jason Bourne style shaking camera duel must be removed from filmmaking in general.
From the get go I was saying I was gonna be real mad if she got a redemption arc because yeah that keeps happening and maybe for once I want to see a villain who has so many opportunities to become good but consistently stays evil because sometimes being evil in the face of forces pushing you otherwise is cooler and sexier. At the very least though she didn't fucking die immediately after so hey that's new.
Reva honestly feels like two different ideas for characters.
The obsessed inquisitor who wants Vader’s approval by killing Obi Wan…
And the traumatized Padawan who wants revenge on the man who took her family away from her and slaughtered her friends.
These two sides don’t blend well together and it makes Reva feel like two different people. It makes her feel very inconsistent.
I struggle with reva honestly because the wrote her so reactive it feels like. Even having finished the show I look back and I'm still unsure how all the pieces fit together as a cohesive, thought out plan.
@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 people aren't so easily defined as you paint it out to be. But it's very clear that she wanted both those things. She wanted to deliver Obi Wan to Vader to gain his trust and move up in ranks, and she wanted revenge on him.
The "learning how to take care of others" thing is kind of funny because that wave hit gaming about a decade ago. A lot of story driven games have you protecting/saving/etc someone young, and it's just interesting to see how common of a trope its become.
Someone once said that was basically because a whole bunch of people in the industry became dads at around the same age and ended up writing about their newfound dadliness. Honestly makes sense.
Another common trope you see is the “tough badass with a heart of gold”.
Which is kinda given for combat games as you have to make the protagonist likable while making him brutal enough to fit the gameplay.
(Arthur Morgan, John Marston, Joel just to name a few)
Funny part is I adore all these games and characters lol
@@FelisImpurrator that’s honestly really cute
@@FelisImpurrator TLOU set the stage and we never went back. doesnt bother me much because i fucking LOVE that trope, so im just swimming in goodness but i can see how it would irritate the shit out of people just because of how common it is
@@thesabotagedandovershadowe8423 I'm fine with the dad trope, but I am tired of the grizzled, stoic everyman thing in general.
I honestly just want more characters with clearly distinguished and varied personalities and don't particularly care about how "relatable" their life experiences are, or how many broad demographic boxes they check. Just, goddamn do conventional gender roles bore me.
Reva’s half of episode 6 is so contrived it’s almost hilarious. She hears a garbled message from Bail talking about a boy on Tatooine, somehow concludes that this kid is a son of Anakin, walks off her stab wound, and goes to kill him because she thinks Vader would care whatsoever if she does.
Honestly I found it so stupid. She hears the garbled talk about a boy on Tatooine then immediately thinks, hey it must be that owen lets guy that I happened to bump into. No way it could be anyone else. She just somehow knows exactly who it is and where to go
Also her strat to kill Vader after years undercover was just to sneak up behind him and swing her lightsaber at him?? Like THATS how she thought she would get him? At least attack him while he is trying to force pull the ships.
@@SpotonCM Bail mentioned the name Owen, yes, but not his full name of Owen Lars. It would stand to reason that there's likely more than one person on Tatooine with Owen as their first name.
I don't know why Disney having all the money in the world doesn't hire good writers.
Also, is George Lucas so demonized for Disney to ask him a little bit (A LITTLE BIT) of consulting?? Why?? Star Wars was his story. This is nothing but fanfiction.
@@Nutella_Fiasco i just want to know how she got to tatooine far before, obi-wan did the diversion thing with the transport ship, fights and defeats vader, and then gets to tatooine right when she has already got to Luke, while with a hole in her stomach.
Marcus: “I wish Star Wars would do something different”
Andor: “allow us to introduce ourselves!”
At the end of the day, I feel like Reva was completely unnecessary to the story. You could have cut her out entirely and had Vader been the one doing everything she was doing. The focus should have been on those two the entire time and If this was just a movie and we had way more Ewan and Hayden I think the praise would be unreal, Ewan and Hayden did amazing and I'm just grateful that they returned and for their performances.
In a movie format Reva would have been really good, they just stretched out her arc and kept reiterating who she is and what she's going to do (which is obviously the action that ends up changing her for the better)
That sounds like such a better and cohesive concept
Replace reva with vader and it begs the question why the fuck he waited a decade to interact with his kid(s) ever again
I had to laugh when she said Obi-Wan would have made a difference being in the Jedi Temple.
Reva moves the plot forward. Vader is the ghost from Obi-wan's past pursuing him that he desperately wants to escape until he finally comes to terms with the past and confronts him at the end. Reva is the bridge that connects Vader and Obi-wan, forcing Obi-wan to deal with his lingering trauma by bringing him out of hiding using Leia as bait.
that ending vader scene where his mask is split was just too amazing, it deserved to be placed in a higher budget movie
I loved it, it was extremely well executed of course, but i can't but think it was very nearly a carbon copy of Twilight of the Apprentice episode from Star Wars Rebels, just with Obi-Wan instead of Ahsoka this time. Like even the main beats of the scene is similar.
wow yeah so amazing. Its not like they copied it from star wars rebels or anything.
I don't know why people care so much about the fact that it resembles the scene from Rebels. The final Vader scene in Obi-Wan did the same thing with the mask true, but it had a lot more emotional impact than Vader and Ahsoka sharing a couple of words in a show most people didn't care about.
@@odd-eyes6363 I wish your words were true but there's a crazy amount of SW crackheads worshipping this Saturday morning cartoon
To anyone who liked the show and is getting angry at my language, let's just agree to disagree
@@odd-eyes6363 uhmm yeah no it didnt. Why would Vader console his arch enemy by saying; It wasnt you who killed anakin, it was me. The very reason for his pain, and he just takes away all his guilt by saying that to obi. Yeah vader is such a nice guy.
I find it funny how, no matter how bad the Star wars film/series, any scene with Vader is still really badass.
I think the scene where he fights Reva is cool, right up to when he stabs her. Vader should have killed her, but in an out-of-character moment he just leaves.
@@BrandontheAwesome If I have learned anything about Vader, its that on the outside he is a badass motherfucker who can tear apart legions with ease.......and he's also the biggest drama queen in the galaxy. Everything in Obi-wan works in my head cannon.
Except the fights with stormtroopers. What is with the scenes where a group of stormtroopers are literally standing right in front of the main characters and still can't hit them. The non-jedi fight scenes were awful.
@@BrandontheAwesome I couldn’t agree more. The game Jedi Fallen Order demonstrates how Vader treats his Inquisitors: if they mess up, they get the beating saber
@@snakefan3124 It's all because Disney wants to create new characters so they don't have to pay royalties, which I wouldn't mind IF MOST OF THEM WERE EVEN SLIGHTLY INTERESTING.
@@BrandontheAwesome Plot convenience
You nailed pretty much exactly how I felt after watching this series, and Disney Star Wars as a whole.
It’s all just far too reliant on fan service and callbacks.
I’ll admit, there’s some genuinely good moments, but they’re just too far and few between to keep me invested.
And speaking of which, it’s so hard to be invested in something when you already know the fate of all the major characters.
Even when they try to present a situation where any of the main characters are in danger, you already know they’ll be perfectly fine.
That's why having Vader and Obi-Wan meet _and_ fight, twice(!), made no sense. I mean, cool scenes indeed, but in the big picture it made no narrative sense whatsoever. This is textbook fanservice imho. And it wasn't helped by the Scooby Doo type shit like Leia hiding under Obi-Wan's coat.
Could it have worked? Maybe. There's tons of emotion between the two to explore since Mustafar, and we all wanted to see it happen, even if it broke canon a bit. But this was just so poorly executed it hurts. Again.
@@awandererfromys1680 What fans were served by this dumb shit? No real fans wanted Kenobi and Vader to meet again before A New Hope.
What’s funny is that cosmonauts favorite scene of Vader’s mask busted open while fighting obi wan is stolen from starwars rebels. These writers are so bad they have to steal other meaningful sequences from their own IP’s animated series. Not to mention the Fallen Order scene where Vader force pushes water flooding his base.
@@vtecanddohc He also does the "I'll do what I must" and the lightsaber shines on his face before he strikes his pose like he did in rebels. I was kinda thrown out of the moment because it seemed like lines were just tossed together from other media he was in in the battle. I really wanted to enjoy it, but nothing was really new
@@vtecanddohc I wish they would have stolen 0.1% of the amazing stuff from the extended universe for the sequel trilogy, rather than shitting all over the franchise lol
That part where you said that if you overhyped the show then it won’t be good is the truest statement abt this show. But tbh I can’t blame anyone who did overhype it, we’ve been literally waiting since 2019 for this show to release
Better this way, than drop all marketing and stop making further movies, as excel bars won't count, like with Solo. :P
Bad writing and cheap sets are bad regardless of your hype levels.
How have you been waiting that long it didn't get announced until after COVID?
I mean, what else would fans do when they hear that it's the "REMATCH OF THE CENTURY"?
@@Chris-ks4sw No, they were talking about bringing Ewan McGregor back way before then.
"Let's play it safe and not take any risks. Just throw in some fan service" seems to be the main ideology of The Disney Empire.
And the one time they did take a big risk (The Last Jedi) they messed it up in a completely opposite way by doing anti-fan service and pissing every fan off. They just can't seem to get anything right besides Mandolorian.
@@mveytia TLJ wasn't after your childhood, mate. It's not anti-fan service. It is an authentic story with a core and themes, unlike the other movies that make up that trilogy. The majour beats of the plot (also very conspicuously the same beats most TLJ haters have a problem with) ultimately serve a coherent narrative, from Snoke dying to Rey nobody to Poe being an idiot and having to learn not to act like one. And don't forget Luke, that is fallible and human and relatable unlike his deepfake doppelganger that got some fans crying.
@@moscanaveia The problem with Luke Skywalker in TLJ, was that he is a complete opposite character from what he was in the original trilogy. And it’s all because of dumb decisions he made. Why would he try to kill his nephew, instead of comforting him and helping him not turn to the dark side? You can argue by saying Luke’s character in TLJ makes since, but just because something makes since, doesn’t mean it’ll make a good story. And why would a leader like Holdo not tell her team the plan? I wouldn’t trust a leader who wouldn’t tell me any plan at all.
@@moscanaveia TLJ is a bad movie, it doesn’t matter if the themes are good if the movie poorly executed them. The examples you used are wrong because it isn’t what the movie shows
@@chessygrind9223 “just because something makes sense doesn’t mean it will make a good story”
Don’t think like that, the reason the Sequels are bad is because of this mentality. It’s the job of the writers to think of creative ways that make sense in order to generate stakes and create an well made story
I really do think that, as far as shows go, they could fuck up the other shows, but this was one that they had to nail and they just didn't bar from a couple of moments. I kept watching it thinking, "I want this to be better". There is so much dead air and then you get to the good juicy stuff and then just more dead air, back and forth. Predictable and just like an flat escalator of a series, just moving along, and then occasionally being like "oh shit, we have literal Obi wan Ewan and Hayden Anakin" for a second, and then back to Ewan just doing very little for a while.
I wanted an in depth character study of Obi Wan post Revenge of the Sith. Imagine the regret of all the things that went unsaid to Anakin and the guilt that he played a part in his student's downfall and to an extent Padme's death. THAT is what I wanted this show to be about. Toss in some Owen, Beru, Tusken Raiders, and some Qui-Gon and Vader with a few well placed flashbacks and you'd have a pretty compelling story for most fans. But this is Disney Star Wars and we have to have action action action and a little child character that Kenobi has to save and grow attached to, even when it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense lore wise. I was really disappointed with most of this show. The highs are high, but the lows are very low and drag the whole thing down. Maybe I'll buy the Kenobi novel and give that a read now to see how it compares.
Ewan and Hayden both said in interviews that they'd love to reprise their roles in the future, so if this series gets a 2nd season it could leave more room for introspection and flashback scenes, without any of the subplots from the first 6 episodes
@@estheay3611 Lol wtf would a second season be? Yet another contrived fight between Kenobi and Vader just for Kenobi to beat him again and leave him alive?
@@LordVader1094 iI could focus on Obi-Wan reconnecting with Qui-Gon after so many years, which the ending of episode 6 intentionally left the door open for
Leia clearly knew Obi-Wan in A New Hope based on the message she gave him, so having her meet Obi-Wan makes sense from a continuity standpoint.
Vader facing Obi-Wan again is a little more iffy continuity wise. In a New Hope, Vader stated the last time they meant he was still a student and Obi-Wan was his teacher, and that clearly wasn't the case in the series anymore (also, Vader's comment about sensing something he hadn't in a long time works a little better if they hadn't met in almost 20 years rather than just 9).
Then again, Star Wars has never been very consistent in terms of continuity. Narrative wise, having Leia be the voice of innocence to the guilt ridden Obi-Wan was an easy route for the series to take but I didn't mind too much as they did have a lot of nice little moments. And the final battle between Vader and Obi-Wan was very satisfying emotionally as was him finally meeting Qui-Gon. It's just the amount of filler that you had to get through to reach that climax.
@@DukeSkylocker I would've liked the show a lot more if all of that filler went to something more substantial and character focused, not just bouncing from planet to planet with a ton of mediocre action. As good as Ewan and Hayden were again, they were a bit wasted in this show. The had to opportunity to really give fans of the prequels a satisfying story and they kind of botched it.
My feelings about “The Mandolorian” exactly. They gave us “fresh and new” and then immediately dragged the character into the story of other characters we already know. With “Kenobi” there just wasn’t enough risk taken, but that’s the trap they got themselves into.
agreed - this didn't feel like general consensus on mandolorian at the time, so i'm glad it's how people are talking about it now
But the Mandalorian season 2 was *way* better than season 1. Partially because of them showing characters from other Star Wars films and series
Yooo if you liked this you should watch my review about why I DIDN'T LIKE obi wan!!
@@Mr_Cinematic Lol Everybody and their mama has a review talking about how they didn't like Obi-Wan. You got a LOT of competition
I haven't seen Mandalorian's season 2 yet, but this is the first time I've heard anyone complain about it. Most things I've heard have been on par with season 1, it's probably just a matter of taste though from the sounds of it.
My favorite part was when Jared Leto came out with a lightsaber and said “May the Morb be with you” and shot a blast of bats at Darth Vader. 11/10 one of the series of all time.
My favourite part was when Jared Fogle chased Leia
Can we please let this meme die already?
This was beautiful
Yooo if you liked this you should watch my review about why I DIDN'T LIKE obi wan!!
i couldnt hold it after i read jared leto
Seeing both Ewan and Hayden as their characters again was what I wanted for so long. They were given enough for us to appreciate them, but everything else was just meh. Shame, really. At least the fan reception for those two is still strong, even after a somewhat bland show.
But what did you actually want?? Cosmonaut points out there's nothing left to do with these characters!! Their arc is complete!! in a 6 episode series the two cant even sit down and talk about what went wrong between them, so what we get is two lightsaber fights that essentially end in a draw. And yes, Obi Wan probably should have killed space Hitler instead of letting the tyrannical maniac continue to oppress the galaxy but yay catharsis I guess
VERY BLAND
@@terminatrix92 shut up
@@terminatrix92 What I wanted when this show was officially announced was a chance for both Ewan and Hayden to actual be able to play these characters with non-shakespearean dialogue and actual direction.
While they did a good job with what they got, the show itself was underwhelming.
@@terminatrix92 I expected to see more of the arc that we saw with Kenobi in the show and him learning from Qui-Gon-Jinn about how to be a force ghost, but also see more of how Vader is different from Anakin and how he has learned from his experiences as the Emperor's right hand. More depth than how I've explained it. Didn't expect Leia and Reva to take up so much of the show.
I like how the show tells us that we're not supposed to like leia's cousin because he's rude to a robot
Dude's gonna be deader than disco a few years later anyways
One thing I loved about Part V was how they used the flashback of Anakin and Obi-Wan's duel training to illustrate how Vader had learned to adapt and not let his emotions get the best of him in combat, effectively putting Third Sister in his former position maturity-wise
Yet that scene doesn’t actually matter considering he always gets angry in rots
@@Dgjserffft More of a fault of how RotS handled his turn towards corruption. I feel like until this show, The Clone Wars was probably the only time I actually got an organic sense of transition between Anakin and Vader, that implied the seeds for his turn were always there. It's actually something I commend Obi-Wan for doing in terms of his presentation
I like the new side of Vader this show showed. Yes, he’s very smart, and powerful, but he more than anyone else can get incredibly blindsided by revenge.
@kdawg1991 I really liked 1 and 2, 4 not so much
@@icedcapplord710 I’m just saying there is not really a point in trying to fix it now.
I always have to watch a new cosmonaut video as soon as possible, who knows how long it'll still be here
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I think it's funny how I feel more obligation to watch Cosmonaut review Star Wars than actual Star Wars sometimes.
The video will be there, always.
Coming back to this now, boy can i not wait for Marcus to watch Andor
Disney’s starting to have this infuriating knack for mixing in some of the absolute best and absolute worst of Star Wars within the same works. Like, The Last Jedi has that breathtaking confrontation between Kylo and force-projected Luke, but it also has the casino planet b.s. Now Kenobi has the perfect reunion of Obi-Wan and Anakin, with their awesome battle and the poetic words they exchange, but it also has the Leia chase, or that dumb fight in the tunnels…
That's always how star wars has been though? There's a lot of dumb/terrible shit in ALL of these movies lmao. Even KOTOR has some really low points (Taris is very boring on replays imo).
@@mosorireayewale2820 Yeah, SW is dog shit
The prequels were the same way. This isn't new to Star Wars.
@@ijiikieru but does that mean it has to be like that forever? Mando S1 was perfect, gratifying star wars with no hokey little kid bullshit. Need more of that
@@USxEGames It doesn't. But that's besides the point of the original comment.
I went from a massive star wars fan to just being indifferent to all the new star wars projects
I don’t plan on watching any of the new Star Wars shows besides Mandalorian. I’m so bored with Star Wars. People complain about Rian Johnson but don’t even realize he’s talented lol.
@@aexcezz9573 sure he's talented but doesn't mean he didn't majorly screw up last jedi. It honestly feels like he didn't understand the type of movie he was making and I'm not talking about star wars as a whole. I remember hearing about him trying to subvert expectations which sure could work but he went too far and people hated last jedi. He then went and did the same thing with knives out and it worked out but idk it seems it was at the cost of the last jedi.
@@aexcezz9573 When you have your higher-ups forcing woke agenda in your work, any talented director will suffer.
I feel the same way.
@@aexcezz9573 It is really J.J. Abrams for me. He also ruined the Star Trek series for me. His movies were awful.
you can tell from all of the PR that Ewan, Hayden, Moses and everyone else were ready and raring to give us the best they got. So happy they're all back. Kathleen and the writing team, however...
This should have been a film, I feel like a mix of the pandemic and the success of streaming played a role in the “need” for it to be a series.
Others already said this, but some of these shows, at least Boba Fett and Obi-Wan, were meant to be spin-off films like Rogue One and Solo. When the latter didn't do good, they were put on hold/scrapped. Then Mandolorian happened and Disney realized they could use the ideas/scripts to instead create more shows/mini-series to keep people on Disney Plus for the Streaming Wars.
OMG that chase scene in the forest. I think CW level is generous.
I'm glad they didn't hype up Leia before hand because I just wouldn't have wanted it and I think it was madness to try. But I kinda loved her. Maybe her and Obi-wan's moments together are my favourite bits.
I'm a bit surprised they didn't put the money into this but I get the feeling it ultimately wouldn't have happened but for Ewan McGregor wanting it to actually happen after all the talk.
I don't think I expected much really but it did the impossible for me and actually made me think of Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader as the same character. The prequels never convinced me I was watching the same guy but somehow this weird Star Wars made like a Dr Who episode has made me think of them as the same character.
That's well worth my time.
But I will have to wait for my ultimate test of any Star Wars media: how rewatchable is it.
What's rewatchable Star wars for you? Do you have a ranking?
@@Mister_Jay_Tee For rewatchability my order would be:
4
5
6
1&3
2&7
8&Rogue1
Solo
9
Ewok movies
Holiday special
I'm guessing this will sit in the middle if it ages okay.
@@beatrixwickson8477 obi wan Kenobi is 100% rewatchable
@@beatrixwickson8477 Im ok with this. I mean it's your listing, mine is totally different. But somehow I still like this.
@@Mister_Jay_Tee Nice, just curious, how would you rank them?
I think "character learns to take care of other people younger than self" is just a weird comfort zone for whenever they start a new project. The Clone Wars movie was about saving the little hut kid, and the show started out as a way of humanizing Anakin by making him care about Ahsoka. Rebels was at least partially about Ezra's master (Canaan?) caring about Ezra. All of the shows you listed use it as a plot device, and then to top it all off Rogue One is about a bunch of people learning to care about each other before they all die. Weird long-running trend
Putting it that way, I can get why some people really *really* love the prequels. Those movies are literally about a guy who just cares so much that ends up not caring at all.
It's a shame Star Wars stopped making movies for awhile now. If Obi-Wan Kenobi was turned into a movie, this would definitely bring back many fans to theatres after the disappointment that was episode 9.
The Good/Bad SW movie ratio makes me glad they stopped making them. Content in other media has been much stronger. I only like Rogue One out of any of the new movies.
@@ergob3907 I only kind of like solo, I think with Disney star wars movies they werent that great because they were more a checklist to make fans giggle instead of having an actual story in mind (solo included), and it seems like the shows have started to go in that direction as well.
It still would have sucked
Wasn't this originally gonna be "Kenobi: A Star Wars Story", but people didn't like Solo?
They keep Fing up
Star Wars Kenobi was definitely one of the shows this year.
No
no it wasn't
Obi Wan Kenobi is up there with Morbius
Wow you're so funny
Yup agreed. It was definitely a show that came out in 2022. No arguing It was a show that was released on Disney plus. And without a doubt it was a show about Star Wars.
Let’s analyze how Reva got the communicator in that second to last episode.
Obi-Wan hands off his stuff to fake Jedi so that he can sacrifice himself to the bad guys to buy enough time for everyone to get away. So he goes out, has a conversation with the bad guys, eventually gets back inside and is like, “Hey, I’m back, let’s get outta here!” Fake Jedi drops the communicator because…I guess he’s just clumsy, then Reva finds it after getting stabbed.
The writing throughout just seemed so sloppy and forced (pun intended).
Let’s not forget that it’s Obiwan’s fault for not deleting the message and Bail’s fault for sending the message in the first place
🤦♂️
I actually think Reva's whole journey could have been that "something new", but now they speedrun an entire character arc in another person's story.
That explains the rumored spin-off that popped up a while ago. Which if true will kind of suck because if my theory is correct they’ll be juggling her distant past as a Padawan, more recent past as an Inquisitor and her present as an Imperial Defector which I’m not very confident in since they couldn’t do it right with just 2 eras in Book of Boba Fett
@@somethingfunny2199 yeah that just sounds like a mess.
@@somethingfunny2199 theyre making a reva show?
@@masterdeetectiv9520 At this current moment it’s only a rumor (I’m going to edit my comment to be less misleading, my bad) but given the way her arc went and the fact that she leaves this show alive I wouldn’t be surprised if they do in fact do it
@@somethingfunny2199 i dont think they will, i doubt enough people care about reva’s character for them to make a show about her
I think this show should've been a movie solely focused on deepening the relationship between Kenobi and Vader.
They don't need new character to share the spotlight almost as equally as Kenobi because her role could easily be filled with Vader.
Besides if Vader wanted to destroy Kenobi so bad, it's only natural that he constantly and personally hunt him down from the very beginning.
And besides, Reva's story is compelling enough to have her own show, I think most people wouldn't mind having a show about a new character who was a Padawan survivor and she infiltrated the Empire to kill the Sith Lord for killing all her friends.
It was supposed to be a movie. Remember during the Sequels they announced a whole roster of stand-alone movies? Kenobi was on that, as were Boba Fett and Ashoka. Then the Sequels and Solo tanked and the other movies got cancelled. After The Mandalorian was a break-out succes they dusted off the scripts and well, here we are.
Take Book of Boba Fett. That's why the pacing is all over the place and you get throw-away filler scenes/episodes and unimportant side-characters. The whole Tusken Flashback in BoBF is fifteen minutes of movie time at most but they stretched it out over several episodes. And the episodes with Mando should have been in his own series but they needed something to fill out the season.
With the exception of The Mandalorian each series could be condensed down to two hours just fine. They're movies stretched thin.
Kenobi should have been about Obi-Wan, Luke, and Owen. Nothing more. Because before this series it used to be canon that Obi-Wan never met Vader or Leia between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope 19 years later. The Death Star fight was their first fight since Mustafar. So having them meet _and_ fight (twice!) in between creates gigantic canon- and character-breaking problems and you have to be a really good writer to make it work.
Unfortunately, Disney doesn't have good writers it seems. I mean, if Vader is so hell-bent on getting revenge on Obi-Wan then why did he let him get away so easily in ep. 3? The writers just demonstrated Vader can extinguish fires with the Force just fifteen seconds before. Sure, dramatic stare and pose and all, great shot, but it makes no sense. This is special fire or something? Why doesn't he Force-grab the droid, or Obi-Wan again? That's what he did moments before.
And it makes even less sense Obi-Wan spares Vader really. But he has to because well, the OT movies.
And Reva shouldn't have been in this show, agreed. She would have worked a lot better in her own series right from the start. Now she's getting trashed on because she takes away from the other character arcs. But she's in it because all other characters have impenetrable plot armor and the writers needed someone with stakes. She's a plot device that gets bounced around between a fixed narrative.
At best they have interesting ideas that are executed poorly, like Reva, and the rest is really just desperate fanservice. They knew the fans would be hyped the moment they brought Hayden into the series, they just didn't know how to deliver on that hype. On their own the fight scenes between Vader and Obi-Wan are pretty okay, but in the big picture they make no narrative sense and shouldn't exist.
It's all show and no substance in the end.
Bruh the only thing Reva deserves is a retconn 💀
@@awandererfromys1680 but they announced a Reva spinoff before the show even ended, so she had plot armor too for the last episodes.
@@heatherchansler5886 Seriously? That's even worse. I can't believe this, I'm just a carpenter and I can plan this stuff out better ffs.
@@heatherchansler5886 the show was completed wayyyyyy before
I still remember seeing an artist create a scene that had Anakin and Kenobi chatting and then it slowly devolves into a nightmare and such a scene could have been fascinating. Seeing Kenobi struggle more from their last encounter.
Their final conversation really was the best part. It's just a pity we already saw it six years ago when they did the exact same thing with Ahsoka in Rebels.
Wait my mistake, she slashed Vader's other eye.
It’s like poetry, it rhymes
That scene was totally the best part. Then my bf showed me the EXACT same scene in Rebels and I was so disappointed. It was almost the exact same scene verbatim! Wtf?
@@Hariton_blkgrdn one of the most laziest reasons to reuse old ideas smh
For me I don’t mind it because it shows both Ahsoka and Obi Wan couldn’t fully remove Vader’s helmet…
But Luke could. I personally think it’s very poetic. But hey that’s just me.
@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 Ya but the problem is when you show that in the same identical way.
Wait till Vader reunites with R2D2 and they have a scuffle in which Vader's helmet is AGAIN broken and you have the same identical scene AGAIN
This could’ve been an S tier. They had everything they need except…. Decent script writers…
True. When I saw Joby Harold name on the series even before the trailer came out I drop my expectations far bellow. And now I'm thankful for doing that.
Nor budget. It all feels and looks cheap.
@@SwedishYouthHumanist they had the budget
I physically rolled my eyes every time Reva was onscreen. I cannot believe someone wrote this character, cast them, and then said, “yeah, that’s good. I believe that. Put it in the show.”
Yep definitely part of the fandom
Reva was totally unnecessary. Wish it stuck mostly to Obi-wan and Vader with a little bit of the inquisitors.
You know what's really bad? That people decided to make racist comments about the actress. Now Disney will think people are just racist, and not that she was just a bad character.
She wasnt that bad. Kind of a generic villain, but something tells me no one would mind if it was one of the other inquisitors leading the charge.
@@nahor88 62 IQ take...it's "racist" every time you criticize a black person now lmao
I think Taika Waitits Star Wars movies is gonna be the breath of fresh air he’s looking for I think so as well Taika understands that Star Wars needs to grow and be something new and hopefully it’s awesome but Taika is a good director his episode in Mandalorian Season 1 was awesome so I think Taika knows what he’s doing
most importantly he's already said his film is not connected to anything else
@@dankerbell yep he’s definitely doing everything new and that’s awesome what I want from Star Wars again is the thrill cause in ObI Wan you know no one is gonna die or have really bad battle damage I want those lightsaber fights to be thrilling again
Taika never misses, thank god he’s doing something different
@@Ethan-nl2wg yea hopefully his version of different doesn’t make the internet explode with Hatred I want it to Explode with greatness
@@jessyscreentime I hope it’s different, but I
Hope it’s not as comedic as ragnarok or Jo Jo rabbit.
My thoughts exactly. I didn't really see a need for yet another show set between episodes 3 and 4, but Kenobi was my exception. I was fine with going back and having these actors that desperately want to reprise their roles back in the character's shoes. But the thing is, is that it's like they knew they didn't really have to try because everyone was going to watch it anyway. What should have been the best and final spinoff property involving a main character ended up being an okay, meh, stretched out story that didn't really need to be told.
Cosmo is consistently the least consistent reviewer I’ve ever seen, and I can admire that effort.
It should have been a movie with a higher budget. Everything I have a problem with comes from it being a show on D+. It's a 7/10 show that could have been a 9/10. It feels like the prequels, for better and for worse. I don't get why they didn't get Greg Fraiser to do the cinematography again though.
Greg Fraiser is busy with Dune
7/10? Are you high?
the cinematography and the stupid camera shake was godawful
@@jole5468 yeah I'm thinking the show is realistically about a 4-5 there is little to see as a redeeming quality between the bad sets, mediocre and recycled dialogue, plot points that make NO sense, episodes that serve no purpose and repeated prior episodes, and overall just horrible attention to detail and overall writing. This show was a huge let down.
@@paveantelic7876 unsufferable, at times it looked like a cheap fanmade short film
My friend and I spent like an hour trimming down the show after the finale and determined that this should have been a movie 1000000000000%.
7:50 The best moments are these short bits. And like you said, it feels like they tried to write a story around this idea. We need more short things. Just short disconnected scenes like Visions but based in canon (it doesn’t have to be but that helps it get views). That’s why I think this new CW prequel/spin-off might be one of the best things we’ve gotten since the Siege on Mandalore.
That period between this show and A New Hope still has opportunities to tell small condensed stories with obi wan. Im open to seeing a second season as long as it is faaaaaaar from this
What I didn’t get was how on earth did obi wan in episode 5 go from swinging his lightsaber like a baseball and struggling with a couple stormtroopers to beating up darth vader literally the next episode like excuse me?
not that it justifies it at all but i think it had to do with the shock of seeing vader for the first time, and the trauma and the guilt that he had for himself for anakin. the second time he realizes the serenity of who anakin turned into and from there he fed off of that.
His whole arch was that he turned from a broken man who was ruled by failure into the confident and driven obi wan we know and love. It really humanized him for me which i thought was cool cus i dont think weve ever really gotten to see how all that rots stuff really effected him like we did here.
Thank you for acknowledging the forest chase scene with Leia, I was flabbergasted they out something that looked so fake and cheap in this…but they did
Imagine they introduced Reva as a background character and saved her arc/padawan reveal for her own show, where we follow the efforts of a JEDI SPY in the Empire. We could watch internal conflict as she carries out their will while plotting against Vader. Make it tragic and sad when she fails! Obviously she cant kill Vader so her personal mission is useless to this show, no clue what the writers had in mind for her by surviving. She LET GO OF HER HATE at the end which was apparently keeping her alive??? So many bad decisions with what couldve been a very interesting character
She already is a clear representation of the trauma left in the Jedi's wake, why have her in the show where that's already a core theme between the two main characters?
Imagine if she just wasn't there.
God no.
@@Mephilis78 nope everything is marvel, if your show or movie is not focused on setting up a spinoff is it even worth making?
All characters have impenetrable plot armor and the writers needed someone with stakes. She's a plot device bounced around between a fixed narrative. Agreed she would have worked a lot better in her own show. But that's Disney Star Wars, interesting ideas executed poorly. Sometimes behind a shed.
That’s shit too
I couldn’t believe they wasted so much time with Reva instead of it being Kenobi slicing apart Inquisitors until the Vader confrontation. I don’t think any Inquisitors even died. You could literally create a bunch of them just for Kenobi to overcome.
Also, the amount of people getting stabbed straight through their torso with a lightsaber and then it having absolutely no consequence is fucking ridiculous. There’s no stakes for anyone bc if you have plot armor nothing even injures you!
How did Maul survive getting cut in half?
@@audaciousjones The Dark Side kept him alive, his sheer *unadulaterated hatred* for Kenobi sustained him long enough to presumably get the wound treated.
Bruh, they literally had two other inquisitors that just disappeared halfway through the series. I was waiting for obiwan to fight the inquisitor played by Han from Fast and Furious but he just peaced out!
@@revolutionarystillalt6846 idc if it's canon it's plot armor so thick even most fan fiction writers would roll their eyes
The grand inquisitor has two stomachs so I figure he just sacrificed his extra one 😂
Last three episodes of the show had me hooked completely I cannot lie. I also love how they really utilize the force in the show
Episode 4 is utter dogshit filler, but episode 5 and 6 are pretty great
@@codyaaron3371 Filler? thats a weak criticism, Episode 4 wasnt bad and you know it. Search your feelings you know it to be true
@@Roach_CEO Leia being kidnapped and saved for the second time in a series that is just 6 episodes long didn’t work imho. The plot really felt like it was meandering and dragging its feet in the 4th episode
Personally. I hated seeing obi wan power up super saiyan style
I couldn’t agree more. Kenobi was fun and had some really great moments but it wasn’t as impressive as it should’ve been
I’m just glad Hayden got the chance to redeem himself… and he really did.
Redeem himself for what?
@@Commander_Shepard. some people used to say Hayden was a horrible actor in the Prequels
@@enzoamore8971 Seems like THEY are then ones who have to redeem themselves, not Hayden.
@@Commander_Shepard. yea
Hayden's acting in the Prequels is not his fault. George Lucas just writes awful dialogue. Mark, Carrie, and Harrison all made fun of his dialogue when he was directing the original films, but then his wife and some of his friends stepped in and changed some stuff around.
Hayden Christensen can do great when given good material, but he wasn't.
I liked the scenes where anakin was “young” and it showed them in the past. Had they had a higher budget they woulda used cgi to make anakin look young
They had the budget they chose not to de-age them
@@jakegillbanks7776FR. Seeing a 45 something trying to play his 20 something self is akin to 30 year olds trying to pass as high schoolers. It was jarring.
Bruh the actress for Leia genuinely carried the show for me. It's weird that I found her acting a lot more natural and better than those she shares the scene with.
I've been saying this, but keep being told she was shit at acting. I thought she was great, especially for her age, and did much better than the script deserved
Yeah, Leia's actress actually did a super good job. But boy oh boy, some of the other actors in this show were so awkward to watch (like that alien truck driver)
@@Juju-tj8yu I liked the alien truck driver...
I saw one comment saying how young Leia doesn’t fit Leia at all. Idk what he was on about. This is exactly how princess leia would act as a child. I think they nailed her character. she’s one of the few things this show got right
I actually thought she was such a good actress that it was kind of unnerving. She did a superb job for a child actor but the way she was written as "witty baby super genius" was just awful imo. Just make her a normal child. Why does she know electrical engineering at the age of... 10? Just to function as a callback to young Anakin, despite it making 0 sense within the context of this story? Awful
This show, along with Book of Boba Fett, Rise of Skywalker, and some of the second season of the Mandalorian, have just felt like there are way too many people working on these projects, and none of them have any real vision of the show. It feels like instead of having some kind of focused story, there are tons of people all throwing around little ideas, like: "What if baby Princess Leia was here?" "What if there was a fight at Uncle Owen's farm?" "What if we pretended to kill off characters that you know survive to generate stupid online debates?"
It's like they care more about stringing together little moments that get people talking for a day or so rather than actually writing out a compelling story.
this!!! like yes we enjoy cameos but if done right that actually fits the story!! and yea agree that we’re sick of them just for the sake of them. mando 1 was compelling bc it’s something we’ve never seen before and new, so that’s why it hit off so well (lol like marcus said)
unpopular opinion ig but i actually enjoyed the qui-gon cameo 🤩
What was wrong with mando season 2?
@@rachelmorgan7565 I liked the Qui-Gon cameo too, but I expected that since the series was announced, lol. I agree though, pointless cameos are getting old.
@@studmuffin7322 I enjoyed it for the most part, but I felt like it spent more time trying to set up more spin-offs than telling its own story.
I quite liked the flashback of Obi wan and Anakin training together. Hayden's performance kind of bridged that gap between live action Anakin and Clone Wars Anakin. Yeah, sure it looks a little funky with both of them clearly having aged quite a lot since the movies, but a flashback feels very natural in the context. Sure they could have maybe reused some scenes, but why not have new ones? With better dialogue too. Honestly I'm just glad they didn't try to cg them back to youth. I would not be opposed to having more of them
I love how nothing changes from where the show started from to where the show ended
Yep. So much so that they have TWO episodes revolving around Obi-Wan rescuing baby Leia.
Revenge of the Sith teased Obi-Wan receiving more training from Qui-Gon, and this show ends the exact same way. Obi-Wan's character was reset off-screen and becomes a faithful Jedi again. Luke and Leia are safe again. Nothing has changed.
@@tasamolic there was no big impact on the empire or lasting effect. The only change I can think of is that anakin is “dead”
I love how Obi-Wan is supposed to be keeping a low profile, yet in the first episode he has a conversation with Owen on the street about training Luke, and Owen retorts by saying "oh, like how you trained his father."
The inquisitors are on the planet, there were people standing behind them when they had this conversation. So much for keeping a low profile. Obi-Wan might as well have just run around Tatooine shouting, "HEY EVERYONE, I'M A JEDI!"
i love how they have advanced technology , yet apparently no news. How is Obi Wans face not plastered everywhere? At least some posters in the streets. The EMPIRE is literally hunting him and all jedi 😭
Like how do the storm troopers know they’re supposed to be looking for a jedi (obi wan) but have no clue what obi wan looks like. The Empire can’t send them a hologram picture or a sketch of what he may look like???
Yooo if you liked this you should watch my review about why I DIDN'T LIKE obi wan!!
I kinda think that's a nitpick - I don't think anyone would assume he must be talking about jedi training hearing the conversation on the street. We know what they're talking about but I don't think some random on the street would.
Also inquisitors didn't make themselves known in the area until after their conversation
But that's just my thoughts
like so many other people, i was pretty enthusiastic when i first heard about the prospect of this show a couple years ago (obi-wan and ewan himself are two of my all-time faves, so i was hardly going into the series looking for a hate-watch). i wanted to be optimistic, but you can imagine my disappointment when it comes to that chase scene with leia through the forest - it’s one instance of how this series treats its audience with such little respect, in my opinion. i mean, i realise that the writers were saddled with this problem from the get-go given the show’s premise, but it’s hard to feel any real tension or excitement regarding characters who i know cannot be seriously harmed before the events of the original trilogy, like when leia is threatened by her kidnappers or when obi-wan is faced with any kind of trouble whatsoever. maybe with an engaging screenplay and a clearer focus on character development this problem wouldn’t feel so obvious (because it really shouldn’t have to be a problem whatsoever), but with the show’s lacklustre third sister antagonist as an obvious example, i feel like this wasn’t realised at all. i wish i could experience the payoff of that final heart-to-heart between vader and obi-wan, but i really cannot bring myself to watch anywhere past the second episode because of how damn mid it all is.
Another issue I had with Obi-Wan that I'm surprised Cosmo hadn't mentioned is the lack of proper lighting. There were a LOT of dark scenes in which I could barely see anything happening, especially since I don't have a dark theater room to enjoy the show in. I wish modern TV shows would step away from this "realistic" light technique that only muddies the overall narrative.
Marcus: “I’ve lost my passion for Star Wars after The Rise of Skywalker”
Next video from Marcus: “So I just watched Obi-Wan”
It’s one of the shows of all time
average star wars fan, not me though, i like most of it
I respect Marcus’s dedication to his fans to watch stuff he’s not crazy about watching. Mad respect
It’s kinda his job to watch nerd shit and tell his nerd fanbase what he thinks about it…
Marcus at the start of the video: "so this show solidified my lack of passion for star wars"
Thing for me with this show: I loved everything Vader related throughout it. I thought Hayden Christiansen did a great job as Vader and put a really strong performance in. Unfortunately, lots of the show was spent fleshing out unnecessary parts of the story. Reva NOT being killed when stabbed and exposed by Vader and the Inquisitor just for her to complete a pointless redemption arc that we knew had to happen was infuriating, especially because they kept cutting away from the main fight, which was comfortably the best fight in the show. The plot wasn’t great, but it was ok to suspend your disbelief and just enjoy the characters, even if this show could have taken a more interesting arc for its main story. 7/10
I actually really liked this show. Wasn't perfect, but I had fun with it
Yeah, but looking at the production values, it really seems like the tapped into Ewan McGregors DMs and where like "Hey, wanna do a show?" And he was like: "Yeah."
Same. But I think that’s because my expectations weren’t sky high like everyone else’s. I wanted to see Obi-wan and Vader on screen together again and I got that.
@@Sajirah My expectations were kinda high, kinda not. But I got what I wanted. Vader vs Obi Wan. I honestly didn't expect it to be Mandalorian level good. There's only so much they can do
@@Sajirah I actually like that it wasn't this big bombastic show. The moment they introduced Vader to the narrative I just wanted them to actually have the two characters confront in a more meaningful way than they did in Ep. 3. And I got that.
Mandolorian season 1 and Rogue One have been my favorites to rewatch because they could stand on their own two feet.
I wholeheartedly agree with all of this. I absolutely loved the climactic conversation Obi-Wan and Anakin had in episode 6, but the rest of the show was kind of bleak.
I feel like that "Something Different" for Star Wars was Visions.
I think they need to commit to a non-canon Star Wars animated series of some kind that's reminiscent of those mini-episodes. Because that stuff was legitimately good content (for the most part).
Well the thing is, non canon or not, the EU from the games to the books to the comics is no longer on the table due to Disney meddling and wanting to create their own narratives. I'm still hoping for a KOTOR storyline, but I know that will never happen
I heard there's a season 2 of Visions in the works, but I'll have to double check to be sure. If there is, I hope we get continuations to some of the previous shorts. My favorites were The Ninth Jedi and The Twins.
My favorite part was when future Luke popped up and Reva declared herself as Reva Skywalker.
💀💀
Bro, the scenes about Order 66 where cool. I liked seeing the Jedi actually fight back and get overwhelmed. Cool stuff.
I pretty much entirely agree. There were some things I really enjoyed, some things I LOVED, some things that confused me and I thought were silly...and a lot I just found kinda boring? The last episode is genuinely fantastic and Ewan and Hayden sell the crap out of that last fight/scene. It would have absolutely been better if it were another of their solo movies (no pun intended) because then using the "rescue princess Leia" plot device as the structure would've been fine cause there were even parts of that that I enjoyed. I'd lean more towards a 7/10 I think but 6/10 is pretty fair.
I love it when someone voices exactly what I was thinking. This is essentially the same show over and over. It worked for Mando pretty good since it actually makes sense in his story. At this point it's just swapping the characters and setting but making the same story over and over.
The best content is seeing obi wan survive his day to day life. The intricacies of daily tattooine life. That’s such immersive interesting stuff. And seeing him interact with others. Explain or show his feelings more. Man such wasted potential
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS
Same lol
Speaking of new star wars stuff, Andor looks to be something fresh. So atleast we have that on the horizon.
Not really. It is another Star Wars thing about a character we don't care about (Andor) after Solo and Boba Fett. I don't care about Andor he was boring. So was the main female character whatever her name was. It takes during the Empire years again and Mon Mothma is in it. We know the fates of all the characters like Obi-Wan. Andor gets nuked by the Death Star and Mothma becomes Chancellor of the New Republic and dies after her tenure.
My favorite part of Kenobi is when Ewan McGregor looked straight at the camera and said "it's Kenobi time".
1. Joke isn’t funny anymore
2. You even got it wrong
@@justsomedudeontheinternet1998 "It's Kenobin' time!"
>when your meme transplant completely fails
I feel like they could've done so much more with Obi Wan, Anakin, and Qui Gon
My favorite part of the whole show is when Obi Wan says "Hello There" and Luke is like "General Kenobi"
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A MOVIE! Thank you for saying this!
Honestly, this should’ve been a film. I liked eps 3 (ish) 5 and 6, but a lot just felt like filler. Few too many corny or braindead scenes but also some of the best scenes of all Star Wars. I have zero idea how to feel rn.
Edit: Ah basically the main point of video, probably should’ve watched it first.
I do think this show plays an important role between ep 3 and 4. It shows how Obi Wan recovers after the devastation that is ep 3, and how he turns into the positive Ben we see in ep 4. The show also made me like Leia more than ever before, and it made it much easier to see Vader and Anakin as truly one person. We obviously know consciously, that he is one person, but behind that mask, before this, it was also just so hard to actually imagine Anakin being there.
This show elevated ep 4 so much in my eyes. The death of Owen and Beru feel a lot more tragic and impactful, the weight of Kenobi and Vader meeting again feels heightened, some of the comments from Obi Wan just make more sense after this, and Leia reaching out to Obi Wan, and Alderaan being destroyed also feel more impactful. To me this was an absolute positive surprise
Agreed. I liked this show a lot.
This should’ve been a movie rather than a show
Pretty much agree but there’s one thing I hated on top and it was the weird direction decision in when Vader was fighting obi wan the first time and there was the tunnel chance. Like the fact rebel lady didn’t come across reva on the way out and you just didn’t know where reva rebel lady or Leia was really was a glaring issue for me, it might seem like a nitpick but I genuinely all of a sudden lost where they all were and got confused when certain characters didn’t meet in the tunnels.
Your point about it having enough material for a movie rather than a TV series makes sense, seeing as this was probably the pitch for when they were originally going to make it as a movie.
I don't think the cheap look the show has is because of its budget, because it can go from looking really cheap to movie quality literaly from one shot to the next in the same scene. I think the director didn't know how to handle shot composition and framing with the virtual production stuido that Disney have been using since the Mandalorian.
Only problem with that theory is that Obi Wan Kenobi director Deborah Chow also directed chapters 3 and 7 of the Mandalorian, which were 2 of the best episodes of the first season, so she definitely had experience working with the studio. Idk why it feels so cheap, but it really does feel like 80% of the budget went towards getting Ewan and Hayden back together.
This show had some really cool moments. I can certainly give it that.
I was really waiting for this one 😁
Man this review was spot on for me. I just can't shake the feeling that the last Jedi broke star wars. Not because it was bad (it's my favorite Disney era thing by far) bit because the backlash to it taught Disney they just had to play it safe for now on. And star wars has been living below it's potential ever since. Mandalorian season 1 is the closest we've come to anything interesting since.
Yeah I think The Last Jedi and ultimately Solo were the catalysts that made Disney do a U turn on their plans for the franchise and just double down on Disney+ shows. It’s a shame because with a more streamlined narrative and a better script, Obi-Wan Kenobi could’ve been a great “a Star Wars story” film.
Sorry Bruh, but I just can't take someone's opinion seriously who actually thought TLJ was good lol. And Mandalorian season 2 was way better than the first season to me. But Obi-Wan could've been a lot better in multiple ways. Not sure if TLJ backlash had anything to do with it's lack of quality though
I hated the Last Jedi, in fact it's the only movie I've ever seen that I've hated even though it isn't the worst movie I've seen, but playing it "safe" was not remotely the direction I wanted Disney to take away from it. I absolutely agree with everything else.
Cosmonaut: "We get another boring dark side redemption story."
Cosmonaut just one video ago without a hint of irony: "Rey should have died and Kylo Ren should have lived."
That’s more powerful then what’s happening now
Regardless of the show as a whole, the final battle between Vader and Obi Wan was one of the greatest moments in live action Star Wars, ever.
Horrible*
@@TheOnlyHeero huh, I thought it was pretty emotionally resonant and cool. Why didn't you like it??
I’m always going to love Vader getting his mask damaged and having an emotional moment with his former friends
Could not agree more
@@Devo57 Shout to Vader getting his mask damaged and have emotional moments with his former friends, one of my favorite things fr
I WASNT EXPECTING THIS TODAY. HELL YEAH. Thanks for the quick upload Marcus. Also yeah this show was a huge letdown. It felt like ObiWan was drunk or high the whole time. He felt like a huge dumbass to me. I can’t recall a single memorable scene except obiwan vs darth and that was just ONE scene in ONE episode. I was really excited for this because ObiWan is my favorite Star Wars character…
Honestly I get it man. Felt hope for this since kenobi was one of my favorite characters. With the way this show turned out just makes me hate Disney even more.
It's like what he said in the video. I have been saying this ever since Mando season 2. People like Mando season 1 BECAUSE it was a breath of fresh air. Not a single character in that show had a previous character we meet. It was so nice. If Disney continues to make shows like these. Nobody is going to give a fuck.
@@bobhotpocket1875 exactly!
@@awesomedude1795 Agreed I just hope Rian Johnson Trilogy can take risks then playing safe.
Yoooo if you liked this you should watch my review about why I DIDN'T LIKE obi wan!!
bro, when you said about the guys having fun and not caring about if people were being dicks about their movies, I legit teared up and did mad snaps and a loud "FUCK yeah! that's what it's about!!" to nobody around me 😂🙏🙌 mad props bro
One issue I had with this show is that there was a lack of stakes since we now that Leia and Obiwan would life so a lot of scenes which were intended to be tense were just empty.
I also got annoyed by the “ oh the guys were on a different transport the whole time “ in the second to last episode . I felt cheated as there was no indication of another transport and it felt like the writers wrote themselves to a wall and did a half ass solution to overcome the problem
I cannot have a full opinion until Marcus makes a video
So ya can’t think for yourself?…jk
He's like the Anthony Fantano of film and television criticism lol
Unironically though, he has a way of putting words to thoughts and feelings in a way that I just can't, even if it's just to myself
Oh, boy.
Can’t wait for the review of The Acolyte that we’ll never get.
Well Andor has been in production almost 4 years at this point. Kenobi feels like it was made completely from scratch out of some re-write 6 months ago...