Which daily trainer is right for your running?
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- Опубліковано 12 лип 2024
- Answering common questions from my comments about how to pick the right daily trainer for your running.
0:00 Intro
0:37 Other videos to watch
1:32 2024 is a great year for daily trainers
3:52 Newer runners
6:01 Heavier runners
7:50 Mild pronation
9:12 Custom insoles and orthotics
10:39 Performance trainers
11:59 Transitioning to lower stack trainers
13:44 Cushioned trainers
15:09 Walking with occasional jogging
16:24 Still have questions?
17:05 Outro
Max Stack vs Low Stack Running Shoes • Max Stack vs Low Stack...
Running Shoe Rotations Explained - How to build a rotation at all runner levels. • Running Shoe Rotations...
Other daily trainers
Asics Gel-Nimbus 26 - More is more maximalism • Asics Gel-Nimbus 26 - ...
Nike Vomero 17 after 100 miles - The end of the road… • Nike Vomero 17 after 1...
Hoka Mach 6 after 50 miles - Hoka’d! • Hoka Mach 6 after 50 m...
Disclosures: No one is paying me to make this video and no one has any editorial control over the contents of this video. Everything I cover in this video is my own opinion and experience.
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Everytime you have video uploaded, i hit like instantly,❤
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Thank you for addressing us heavy runners!
I hope it at least gives you a starting point in your search for the right trainer...
I tried the Adidas sl 2 in the shop today.. Feels amazing.. ❤
They are very very good.
This video is really helpful. Love your videos and channel 💥
Thank you. I'm glad it was helpful 🤙🏻
Excellent vidéo. Thank you
Thank you for reaching! 🤙🏻
Super practical and helpful! Thanks to your videos like this, we as a consumer can make informed decision to buy the most suitable shoes and save money for those shoes that are not right for us. Thank you, Chris! Great job!
Running is so much trial and error. I've definitely done a lot of both. So I'm trying to get some of that out on the channel so others can fast forward and start at a point a bit further down the line for their own running journey. As always...thank you for the support!
I listened to you and bought the Supernova Rise, I'm starting to try them!
I hope they work for you. They are excellent!
Sipping my chai and enjoying a daily trainer master class. I don't know if you have access to Topo Athletic; but, the Specter 2 is coming out late summer and is the daily trainer I've been waiting for since TRE: lightweight, non-plated trainer/racer. BTW, Tim Gross' review of you was quite complimentary. The word "detail" stood out. That's an understatement.
First time I ever saw a review of the reviewers video. Very brave and novel concept
Glad I can continue to provide the classes for your chai consumption. 🤣
Two things on Topo...a). I don't even think they are in Taiwan, at all. I've literally never seen them and the local shoetubers/run & sneaker influencers don't cover them at all. b). I'm not a fan of "natural toe boxes" for running shoes. If I was a natural shoe I'll run in my Luna Sandals...otherwise I want a more "normal" fit, especially for a performance running shoe. I spent too many years with sloppy fitting "barefoot" shoes, never again.
If you are interested, I mentioned this in another comment. Golden Harper was recently on Rick Rubin's "Tetragrammaton" podcast. I'd high recommend a listen for some of the history of zero drop and wide toe box shoes as well as Golden's thoughts on running shoes now in 2024. It's quite interesting.
Bottom line...I spend 90% of most days barefoot. That much more productive for building strong and healthy feet.
I haven't watched Tim's video yet, but we chatted about ti quite a bit. It's y next stop after I finish comments here!
@SagasuRunning I enjoyed your review of the sandals. It's impressive that the locals run long distances in them. For what it's worth, Topo does make zero drop shoes, mostly trails, but they do make road shoes that are 5 mm, such as the Atmos, Cyclone, Phantom, and the Specter. Thanks, Chris.
@@Wings_nut Ya, I know Topo isn’t all zero drop…. In many ways they are the continuation of what Altra started and are exploring similar areas. Their product lineup makes sense and I know they have a big following in the trail and they hiking communities.
Also the Taiwan Marathon sandal isn’t the one I was talking about. I was talking about the Luna Sandal. I’ve run in Lunas since 2010 and even in my barefoot running only area I always preferred Lunas for zero drop and “natural” foot shape/toe splay.
@@SagasuRunning u spend 90% of the day barefoot? is this just like walking around ur house barefoot or?
Great guide for not only new runners. Much appreciated. Saw Puma VN3 for 55€ today. Insane value for that kid of money.
Agree. Tons of value there. Great price!
Excited for Superblast 2 review!
I should be able to get a pair on Friday…. Will be in bound the following week with a few “vs”…
@@SagasuRunning can’t wait!
thank you
You are welcome...?
Nice video
Thank you. 🤙🏻
Thanks for the video.
As a big runner (6'2" 250 pounds) I've struggled to find good daily trainers. If a foam is too compliant it typically doesn't give me the resilient bounce back that I need, causing me to feel like I'm running in sand (I'm looking at you Mizuno Neo Vista). If it's not compliant enough, then I'm putting 250 lbs of pressure into my joints.
I don't have the same problem with race day shoes because of the carbon plates.
The best daily trainer that I've found is the Mount to Coast R1. It is a relatively light shoe with the perfect amount of compliance in the midsole to handle my weight. It's also incredibly stable and allows me to run in my most natural form without having to alter my gait. It's extremely consistent in the way it feels. My first mile feels like my 10th mile which is rare for a running shoe in my experience.
I can't sing this shoes praises enough!
I have a review of the S1 on the channel. I'm a big fan of what M2C are doing and the Lightcell foam + ZeroSag is the ultimate bigger runner midsole. I have a few more M2C shoes I'm currently testing and will have some more M2C content in August.
Likely the S1 will make my daily trianers list. I almost included it but want more time in it first....but the S1/R1 is VERY good....I fully agree with your assessment.
My 1st propper running shoe was the pegasus 40. Then I got the boston 12, and deviate nitro 2 and couldnt stand the peg40 anymore. I now daily/ speed work the DN2 and long run/speed work my boston 12. Both shoes are quite similar and can do everything just that the boston 12’s are more comfortable for long runs.
Both are plated though. Not the best for 100% of your running. Maybe break out the Pegs weekly to give your feet some strength building and training stimulus.
For me, the ride 17 is great. Its firmer but has a balanced midsole and a traditional feel. I value a normal feeling ride over anything else. The pegasus and new balance 880 are also up my alley
If I can find a Ride 18 (when it releases) I'll try it. The NB 880 was a no go for me, the fit was off (not as bad as the rest of the 2024 NB line, but bad).
I was looking for a trainer that I could use for a lot of things, mainly running and some different sports that I do in PE, but also for the gym and just to use casually if I want something comfortable. I’m currently leaning towards the Pegasus 41, but I want to make sure I buy the right thing. Thanks for the excellent video!!
The Peg41 is the only one in this video I could recommend for that. It will do fairly well though.
Added the Velocity Nitro 3 to my rotation today after your input. Did a 10x2 min session from 10k down to 5k pace. They felt surprisingly good for that. Think I will be able to use them for a bit of everything. Perhaps not the long or slower runs.
Have the Magnify Nitro 2 for longer runs today, but soon time to replace. Supernova Prima is a bit tempting, or Rise. Perhaps next month or so.
See… the VN3 can do a lot of everything. It really works for it all. I do find it great for workouts as well, especially if you just want one shoe to do them all.
I’m a huge fan of the SNR (as one survive seen)… I’ll come back to it towards the end of the summer. So many other shoes to run in right now.
@@SagasuRunning Agree, thats my initial thoughts as well. And it will be perfect for the lighter trails and gravel roads that I have close by. You were spot on in your reviews 👍
Keep it up, high quality stuff from your side ⭐
Glad these worked out for you. Thank you for the kind words on the channel! 🤙🏻
You channel is underrated. You will have lots of subscribers soon. I would like to add I think NB 1080 V13 is a great option for walking/running for those lighter runners because the foam is squishier than Gel-Nimbus. For me a medium size runner I like both of them. 1080 V13 for pampering my feet on level surfaces (indoor walking), Gel-Nimbus for more stability.
Is 1080v13 bad for heavy dudes?
@@edwinpepito1498 I really don’t know. I’m just guessing because it’s squishy and very soft compared to Gel-Nimbus. People need to always try these shoes and judge for themselves.
I've not run in the 1080v13 (the last one I ran on was the v9) but traditionally the 1080 is a great choice for heavier runners. However, the v13 isn't too narrow ans squishy for you? Or did you fin a wide version and you like the overly soft shoe?
This....comment of the thread!
@@SagasuRunning I actually liked the squishy soft feeling of 1080 V13. I thought it would be great for recovery easy runs and walking
If you are a heavy runner this might interest you. I am a heavy runner and I think firmer midsoles and not so high stack midsoles are better to me than the usual shop recomendations "max cushion to heavy runners" trend. I pronate mildly and a mildly firm foam gives me the stability I need, and I hate the so called stability shoes pressing under my foot sole arc. It aches and cramps midrun ruining mynrun.
I like to think I have more impact energy (kinetic energy) and as such I need a "spring coil" that does not bottom down with my stride. If it does, doesn't matter all the cushion I had before, since I'll be stacking impact towards injury.
Checking this equation can be useful:
Ek = 1/2*(mv^2)
where
Ek = kinetic energy (impact energy)
m = mass
v = velociti of the object at impact
So, even if more weight means more impact, it grows linearly, while more speed means way much more quadratic impact.
This means to me: carefull with faster than threshold runs because they will be much more taxing to my joints. Be carefull to every stride goes as a flow and not as stomping forward.
And of course, beyond running shoes and speeds you train, there are some other essential variables to handle:
- Form: knowing not to stomp run is vital.
- Strengh training: the best running shoe can't replace weak muscles, mainly calves, quads (excentrically) and medium glute. Those muscles play an important role cushioning impact when strong and active midrunning. Yeah many runners hate strength training, but they are essential.
- Surface you run: concrete and road are harsh to joints; grass and dirt road are good alternatives, same as a good treadmill
I took the time to write this because as a heavy runner you simply can't adress your running only looking at a good running shoe. It is super important, but it is one among many factors.
So, if you are a heavy run begginer, go easy and don't worry about pace and being fast soon. Worry about being a well rounded runner first, cover all the bases, it will help you a lot in the long run (pun intended) and make your running journey more enjoyable.
The last paragraph is gold.
@@SagasuRunning thanks Chris!
i think the best asics daily trainer is the cumulus... :)
Not that they decided to remove the rubber outsole. I actually love rubberized foam outsoles on shoes, like a lot. Not on a daily trainer though. That choice of their's made no sense. It would of made more sense for then the beef up the rubber outsole on the Cumulus and put the rubberized foam on the Nimbus.
I understand your point. But the Cumulus seems very durable and is just fun.
@@thomasmueller77911 but a daily trainer needs a rubber outsole to be used everywhere. Plus I’m not a fan of FFBlast+, unless it’s the ECO variant…. Which as far as I can tell the new Cumulus isn’t.
Im surprised that im in the current state of this video and you kinda covered it all!
I have all the plated running shoe but what is my daily trainer for my daily miles? This is the question I had over myself for past couple of weeks and been keep trying multiple daily trainer for easy relaxed miles in store.
So this is the criteria I set out for myself when trying in store.
1. Upper : must be plush, comfy, some padding, but still breathable
2.Shape of the shoe : Not Narrow or close to narrow, does not feels too snug, but still have a good lockdown, not swimming in shoe. Next, the shape is not too rockered or not rockered at all.
3.Outsole : Rubber that can last, grippy and dont feel the ground so much
3. Midsole : Soft, plush on first step in, but not bottom out until it feels nothing in it for longer runs.None race foam but still has some very mild bounce. Not too high stack but still have some stack, for me since im not a shoe guy, I use my feelings for this, if the shoe steps in feels high then its high haha, 😅, probably not over 40 idk, but something i "feel" normal.
So i set out on an adventure to multiple running store in order to find my perfect daily relaxed miles trainer.
I try mostly all the recommendations in this video and this is my summary
1.SNR : The upper not works for me, the midsole does, but it feels too low for my likings.
2. SL2 : A bit narrow to make it my daily trainer, but will definitely buy to rotate with my current B12.
3.VN3: Im not sure whats but this shoe feels eerily similar to SL2😅, I might have hard time of choosing this vs SL2 in future.
4.Novablast 4 : Definitely too high stacked
So there are all four that is in this video BUT I know you might not love this brand, NOT REBEL V4 BUT :
5.1080V13: I was surprised that I gave this brand a try since its not on my radar at all neither it is widely available here, so I went to a store and they say this brand is on sale so i try it nonetheless, not that because of the sale part (definitely a plus point tho😅 tbh) but all those four criteria I mentioned are all in the green four me.
Haven't pull the trigger yet but really tempting to since it has plush upper, not too snug, soft but not bottom out and not too high stacked midsole, non rockered, good amount of rubber (this im not sure yet but looks thick enough).
So yeah, surprise it worked for me, im 54 to 55kg, definitely on the lighter side, maybe because of that? Idk, I have yet to see other reviews (read a few here and there) about this shoe although I bet theres plenty out there.
Thats that!!
Cheers😅
It does sound like the 1080 is your shoe. I mean you articulated it VERY well, especially what you need to show to do. I’d say you learned well…. You found your shoe!
try the Asics Noosa 16 ... or the good "old" Vomero 17
@@hawaiifranke7637 yeah, hard to get vomero in small size here, maybe i will try if i get the chance...
same goes for noosa, i dont think its easy to find
@@SagasuRunning Thanks!! i hope my feelings and my lack of technical knowledge in shoes does justify my choice since its hard to justify buying from maybe not so popular brand here like the NB. Hope 1080 will serve my purpose in my current rotation.
But yeah SL2 and VN3 will be my next 'personal vs' since it both felt similar, might lean towards SL2 bcos of my love of B12, but ill reserve this in next couple of months (hopefully can find a sale again)
I like the Brooks Glycerin a little more than the Ghost Max and the Ghost. My two main daily trainers are the Glycerin and the Novablast. I have tried a few other shoes, but these two seem to be the best trainers for me.
I haven’t tried the Glycerin but it’s also not the type of shoe I’d like. The Ghost Max is a good mix for me and a fabulous shoe. I’ve been very impressed with it and am looking forward the the GM2.
I tried many brands and one dayI came across the Nike Pegasus, since then they´re my favourite shoes, to me there´s nothing better.
This is how it goes in running, often. You search and search, but then you find the shoe that works for you...and it was obvious all along.
It happened to me. Been running in Pegs since 2017. Before that I used to wear Nike Flex, I didn’t know shit about shoes an it was fine, never had a problem. Lately I got a bit carried away by the idea that I could take the next step as a runner through tech/gear and tried Pumas, Filas (they’re super cheap and popular in Brazil), and recently the Adidas SL2. Turns out the SL2 gave me a bad knee pain just two weeks away from the HM I’ve been training for 16 weeks. Now I’m back to a pair of Peg 37s, and all is well. Not planning to change anything at all in my Peg/Vaporfly rotation anytime soon!
Novablast 4 is currently my preferred daily. If I were to pick a second daily it would be a toss up between the Supernova Rise or SL2. The Puma was too firm for me and the ride of the Supernova Rise was better. The Pegasus 41 air unit in the forefoot was intrusive for me when I tried it in store treadmill. New ReactX foam feels like my Peg40 with 200k on it,
I vote the SL2, it will compliment the NB4 well, just be more nimble and faster...but it has a similar ride to it.
Interesting observation with ReactX feeling like broken in React...I actually agree, quite a bit. Excellent point!
Great breakdown! I noticed you don’t cover a lot of New Balance shoes. Are they not available in your area or are you opposed to them?
I’m not a fan of their current design and engineering direction. The SC Elite v4 and Rebel v4 completely turned me off from the brand for 2024 and likely 2025, unless they have a large shift of their product direction. It’s a bummer as I have good memories and experiences with the Beacons and Rebels….
Thanks for this great comparison video! Think I’m getting both the SL2 and the velocity nitro 3. What’s your dislike on the Rebel V4 about though ? The Rebel V2 was the shoe that made me fall in love with running, did not get along at all with the V3 and had deep reservations about the V4. The Fresh foam line up though does seem intriguing
I ran alot on the Rebel v1 & v2, a little in the v3. The rebel should be lightweight, nimble, well fitting and agile off of the toe....the v4 is none of that (except maybe lightweight). The v4 is ill fitting, too wide, too mushy and sloppy on the foot. It's not a Rebel. The SL2 is a MUCH better performance trainier.
@@SagasuRunning that’s exactly what I’m looking for, a Rebel V2 replacement, non plated no frills trainer that could offer the same fun and pure feeling of running. I enjoy having minimalist shoes as part of my rotation to actively work on technique awareness & using muscles/ proprioceptors otherwise underutilized by high stacked shoes. Thanks for the content !
@@justinmarchack446 I was too and found the Nike Steaakfly, as the v3 was not it. In 2024 I’m thinking the Asics Hyper Speed 4 could be a stiffer version and the Adidas Adios 9 could be something similar…. I’ll be covering both as soon as I can get a pair.
Chris! Thank you for the interesting review of trainers. While I pretty much run everyday in low stack racing shoes like the Asics RP3 and sortie magic rp6, woukd do you think about the Adidas Adios 8?
The A8 is great. I spent sometime in it last year. it replaced the Streakfly for me. Coming from the shoes you mentioned, it will feel like a max stack shoe though. I'm really looking forward to the A9. I'll definitely be spending alot of time in it.
Great video! I happen to pronate quite significantly. Would you have a recommendation outside of those 2 mentioned? I still like the sort of shoes you like, lower-to-ground, nimble(r). But all the stability options I see from the brands look like overbuilt tractors :/ How would, for example, Mach 6 fare? Anyway, I might have to bite the bullet.
Honestly, the Mach 6 should do ok. It's rather over built on the medial side. However, if you have significant pronation you'll eventually break the shoe down. The Nike Structure is basically a Peg with stability built in. Saucony trainers are worth looking at, even their neutral ones, as they always build in some type of medial support.
@@SagasuRunning thanks a bunch for the guidance!
Thanks for pointing out about the SL2 ,what a coincidence that I am experiencing is described at 8.08. It’s pointed out that the Pegasus 41 and the ASICS NB4 as good options. I am more mid to forefoot type of runner which of these would these be better suited for that style ?
@@jonathandougan5446 They both will work. It depends if you like more (NB4) or less (P41) cushion.
I currently run in the Puma Deviate Nitro 2 as my only shoe. I'm looking to add a 2nd trainer that is preferably non-plated.
Seems like the VN3 should be a no brainier as I really like my DV8N2, but I also want to try a shoe with a little more stack/cushion.
Looking to try out the SL2 but I also have the option for a Novablast 4 and or a Hoka Mach 5 at a discount.
My vote would be the SL2…. It’s really outstanding and coming from the Puma, parts of it will feel very familiar and you’ll definitely notice more cushion.
@@SagasuRunning Thanks! Hope you can feature more of Taiwan in your b-roll in future videos. I've only been to Taipei for holidays but i know there's beautiful countryside out there!
Excellent video, thanks. I am struggling to find a suitable daily trainer here in the UK. I need something with a wide toe box but not super wide in the rear or mid foot. I also do better with a lower drop. So I gravitate to shoes like the Altra Fwd Experience and Topo Phantom 3. The problem is that I supinate and wear through the outer heel rubber in 100 miles in these less durable shoes. The other options are wide(2E) fitting shoes from the likes of Adidas or NB which I find much more durable but which usually have a 10mm drop. I am tempted to order the Adidas Supernova Rise in a wide fit and see if I find the bigger drop a problem, although perhaps the more stable SN Solution would be more appropriate? Also thinking about the NB Rebel, which despite its faults does have a lower drop and a comically wide fit by all accounts!
The SN Solution is likely the better option. The thing about the Sueprnovas is the foam is very compressive. They definitely don’t feel like a zero drop shoe but nor do they feel like 10mm to me. It’s worth a try…
I don't agree with the assumption that shoes like Gel Nimbus 26 will always work for heavier runners. As a heavier runner myself that shoe is too soft. I need cushion but denser.
@Fozzee.1970 I can see that. Of the 6 top trainers of 2024 I was covering…. The Ghost Max and Nimbus offered the best mix of cushion and stability…. Two things I was trying to balance for support.
Thanks for your insightful thoughts. I'm compiling a short list of daily trainers since I'll need to replace several pairs in a few months. I want to mention that you (and perhaps Tim Grose) are the only reviewers who had the honesty to criticize the Rebel V4. It looked promising on paper, but when I saw the specs, the upper, and the crazy width, I immediately felt that New Balance had taken a wrong turn for this line. In my opinion, it's no longer an uptempo/speed shoe.
I'm also interested in Puma's daily trainers, though I wish the drop was in the 6-8mm range rather than 10mm. Regarding the Brooks Ghost Max, I've heard the actual drop is closer to 10mm instead of the 6mm claimed by the brand. How does it feel? I'm a mid/forefoot striker and I tend to shortlist shoes that don't overly penalize this type of gait. Cheers
The direction New balance has gone in 2024 is really bad. To the point I doubt I'll cover the brand at all until there is a major design direction change, which doesn't seem likely given the NB team seems proud of what they are putting out and the running media seems to accept it. Oh well.
On the Puma Velocity Nitro 3...the drop definitely feels 8-10mm, fully. Same with the Deviate Nitro 3, though maybe a little less.
I'm a forefoot striker as well... drops in shoes don't really bother me. The only time a 10mm drop bothers me is when there is a extreme heel flare (which Puma's don't have)...but I do seem to like 6-8mm best now. Though I'm currently running in mostly 10mm drop road shoes?
@@SagasuRunning Thanks for your reply. I agree about the NB. It seems like the Rebel v4 is selling well in all sizes, which is surprising. As for me, the drop (sweet spot between 5-8) works perfectly. I don't mind having a few shoes up to 8-10mm, especially for recovery. I'm looking forward to your channel-please keep it straightforward and honest. There are too many shoetubers out there who seem to be more and more biased towards some brands.
I mean, I have my biases…. I’m first and foremost a Nike runner then Adidas…. But I’m covering what is interesting to me across many brands. So I’ll definitely have my favorites but I’m going to cover as much as I can and be as fair as I can.
I do tend to wear my biases on my sleeves, Pegasus, low stack, vaporfly, no to super trainers (mostly) and max cushion used only in moderation…. But at least they are clear.
For some reason I’ve been having outside foot pain while wearing the Boston 12. Would the SL2 also be giving me the same feel or should I just stay away from the adidas line. Hoka’s work perfectly for me having the skyward x and Mach 6 and I love them both.
The SL2 shouldn’t as there is no rods and it’s overall a much softer and more flexible shoe. Much closer to the Mach 6 than the B12…
Thank you as always for your videos.
I am considering buying men's Brooks Ghost Max. I have never tried this brand but a few reviewers mentioned the very high rate of wear on the outsoles of these shoes as well as permanent discolouration of the upper. A few noted that the outsole began to tear and wear through within just a week or two.
How many miles have you walked/run on these and what has been your experience of wear and tear in this pair please?
Many thanks
I'm around 85miles in them. I did notice fast wear on the outsole initially. it looked concerning in the first 20-30mi, but then it stopped and didn't really wear much after that.
Two things...Brooks usually put A TON of rubber on the outsoles, like it's thick, so even if it wears...there is alot of it. I also read in the GM2 that they put a tougher rubber compound on it.
I've had zero issues otherwise. The upper looks like new and the midsole is the same as it was when new. I will be testing the GM2 in August though to compare.
@@SagasuRunning Wonderful. Thanks very much
SNR feels really stable for me.
It’s so stable and connected to the ground. Some amazing engineering in that one.
I go by weight... If the shoe is around the 235gr and comfortable it's all I need. I do slow long 10 mile to VO2 max 5k in the Mizuno Wave Rebellion Pro V1 or Alphafly V1 or V2 or Adidas adios Pro 3... The only shoes I can only run Threshold or faster are the Mizuno Wave Rebellion Pro V2 and to some extent Asics metaspeed Sky Plus. Shoes heavier than 250gr just killy TL band. I am over 60 so I do what works.. I also do 80/20 but 80 is the Tempo or faster.. Life to short to run slow 😂.
That’s a lot of tech and carbon in there…
Threshold or faster is optimally the Takumi Sen 10 or VF3 for me right now. The MSEP stops around threshold for me. I’ll see about the AF3 soon…
Good vid! I'm curious, what other daily trainers are you waiting for? I think I may have hit the end of the road with my T20s at 763k. Tried to do an easy run Monday, but had to cut it short when I realised my right foot was feeling too "heavy" and the strain in my Achilles region was completely unprecedented, a combo that made for some painful running. Did some intervals yesterday with my AP3s and didn't have those issues so I'm thinking the midsole in the T20s has run its course (and I'm afraid of repeating the experience to verify!). Will be getting myself a pair of Adidas Supernova Rise before week's end. After a few runs with it I'll decide what other pair to buy to rotate with.
If a shoe is giving you those issues then it’s time to replace.
I’m waiting for the Brooks Ghost Max 2, Nike Pegasus Plus, Invincible 4 (Vomero Plus), Adios 9 and the Novablast 5 around Dec…. Those are the ones that come to mind now.
@@SagasuRunning Hmm... The Pegasus Plus is the next iteration of the Turbo, right? Never ran on those. How do you expect them to run compared to the Peg 41?
High stack, more rolling, softer…. We shall see. It’s the big unknown what the makeup of the midsole actually is. 🤞🏻
What are your alternatives for the New Balance Rebel v4, because I really like it.
Already got two from this video, the Supernova Rise and the Velocity Nitro 3. Bought the Puma mainly for running when it’s wet outside because of the Puma Grip outsole.
Adidas Adizero SL2... performance trainer of the year. The Mach 6 is also good, if your feet fit Hokas.
@@SagasuRunning Got enough shoes in my rotation for now, so I’m waiting for both to get cheaper. But they are already on my list.
Could you please do a video about which super trainer (for speed and mixed runs) are right for you? Basically a comparison between DN3, Speed 4, Superblast, Skyward x etc.
I rarely run in "super trainers", I'm not a big fan of them TBH. I will have some upcoming DN3 and DN2 vs ES4 content as well as the Superblast 2. I've covered the Boston 12 and the Superblast as well. Other than that I do my best to avoid the whole super trainer thing.
@@SagasuRunning why do u try avoid super trainers?
Novablast 4 ist fantastic, but mind that it need a bit of a break in phase
Yup, but on 20-30k for me and mostly for the foam to loosen and the should to get some natural flex in it. It wasn't bad.
Tracksmith Eliot is another daily trainer worth considering. It's a little bit hard to justify on price but is extremely good and extremely durable. If I were to design a version 2, I would remove the forefoot bootie extension to the gusseted tongue. It's totally superflous and hot for summer. I think it's hard to justify the price against the Puma Velocity 3 and Adidas SL 2 in 2024 -- which I think are the most direct comps.
I'm a "heavier" runner with extremely muscular legs. (I was a cat2 cyclist in college.) I'm fit but my body is just big. I was directed to max build and max stability when I took up running out of Peace Corps and this was really wrong for me. What I really needed was someone to tell me about running technique -- which was (wait for it) Chris McDougall in "Born to Run" and similar in size. I didn't go "minimal" but did rewire my running.
1. Large size shoes in max cushion and/or stability tend to be so heavy that it affects runnability.
2. When shoes are scaled to large sizes they also get proportionately more midsole foam and these effects can be surprising. (BTW I have a Kerag 12.5 US and 13.5 US and the most striking difference is that the midsole is obviously thicker in the 13.5!)
3. Deep stack and very compliant foams in large sizes start to require a lot of ankle strength to stabilize the foot.
4. For me the proprioception of less cushion and firmer shoes affect my shock absorption at a fairly unconscious level. The only time I get joint or foot pain is when spending too much time in squish and the solution is less cushion (and strength work) not more.
I'm one of the largest runners you are likely to run into and I have done road ultramarathons "comfortably" in NB Hanzo S and Nike Streak 6 and 7. I have done trail ultras in the Salomon S/Lab Sense series until they kind of evolved in a way that didn't work for me.
What does happen is that my shoes break down before my flyweight buddy.
Anyway, I may be an outlier but I do not like the shoes that you recommended for heavier runners at all.
I know you are a big fan or the TS Eliot… but it’s not a 2024 model and I was working from the 6 best trainers of the year thus far.
You are far more analytical and gear oriented than most runners. The Ghost Max and Nimbus are good, easy to find, reasonably priced options for heavier runners. They are also shoes I have seen other heavier runners recommend to one another in my comments and I agree both work well.
Can you get more specific and fine turned for your own style, yes. Alot of that is trial and error. I was giving a starting point for a heavier runner to find success with running and work from there.
@@SagasuRunning I thought you were talking about best of current offering. To be fair, I ordered a pair of SL 2 to replace my TS Eliot because I expect to be happy with it and I don't think Tracksmith can really justify the price premium against 2024 daily trainers.
I may be the outlier on shoe choices for the large runner. I have a forefoot to midfoot strike with supination, like you -- which I think is not very common.
@brianreiter5572 I was talking about the best of current trainers form 2024, this far. I also agree the price point of the Elliot Runner is hard to justify. I run in a lot of TS kit (I’m a big fan of the Van Cortlandt pieces and one of the half tights) but for shoes… I just can’t get myself to pull the trigger.
@@SagasuRunning Ha! Van Cortlandt n'est pas bien pour moi. They chafe under the arm no matter what I do.
I am a big fan of the Twilight Tank and tee. I only run in the lined Reggie half tights for the past 3 or 4 years. These were redesigned and rebranded as Turnover. I hope they did not mess them up.
I like the Strata singlet also but the prices!
How about an adidas Prime X 2 as a daily trainer? If you search the web intense you might find a pair with a big discount, mine were 40 % off.
My size is US 13 and they are of course not the lightest shoe but compared to my Asics Trabuco Max 3 in size US 14 they feel like racing flats ...
When you mentioned overpronation, does that also include outward pronation (supination)? because I was considering buying adizeros
No. Pronation and supination are two different things. I’m a very mild supinator (natural) and forefoot strikers… and Adizero shoes are nearly perfect for me.
@@SagasuRunning thank you!
Hi Sir what shoe can you suggest for a supination heel striker for long runs thats affordable on hot weather. ty Sir 😊
Adidas Supernova Rise. Without a doubt.
@@SagasuRunning thanks I was looking at the Puma Deviate Nitro 2 and the newly posted Brooks Hyperion 2 GTS. I am trying to get either of those 2 those 2. Its near my funds now. just 1. Thanks sir
@@Munchkinz11 of those two options Is say the Hyperion 2 GTS is the much better option for a long run shoe with a lightweight upper.
@@SagasuRunningThanks Sir Saga.
For me a daily running shoe should promote foot and leg strength, so yes low stack is great for that but also low drop...hence the SL2 or Nova rise are not really an option (at least for me). What's your take on the Topo Athletic brand? One of the only brands to have low stack low drop shoes.
I come from barefoot running, from 2010-2014 I ran mostly in Luna sandals with the occasional “normal” shoe. Nowadays I’m just not a fan of the wide toes bad and find zero drop to be mostly unnecessary. I want more performance from my shoes and those two things just don’t offer the fit and feel I want. I’m an advocate of foot strength (I talk about it endlessly on this channel) and if I’m going to run in zero drop I’m going to run in a Luna. I also spend 90% of my day barefoot, unless I’m running or going out…. I run for 1-2 hours most days…. But am barefoot the other 22-23 (most days when I don’t leave the house, which is most days). So that time being barefoot is much more impactful for foot strength and health. I also do 15-30mins of “foot core” work most days (from Eric Orton) and use yoga toes religiously for 1-2 hours, or more, daily.
Golden Harper was recently on Rick Rubin’s Tetragrammatron podcast where he went into length about a lot of things foot health. I highly recommend recommend listen.
@@SagasuRunning superb reply and insight. Thanks!🙏
Personally I have been running since a few years, owning way too many shoes and my opinion has not changed. For road running, I don't like shoes with under 27mm of stack in the forefoot. So mach 5, pegasus 40 and deviate nitro 2 are out. Speed 2 and Takumi Sen makes the cut but I usually prefer above 30mm such as Nike Tempo Next and Boston 12. 140lbs, stride runner.
The Nike Pegasus 41 is 27mm in the forefoot but actually it’s 24mm of foam, 3mm of outsole. The TS10 is 27mm in the forefoot. The Sueprnova Rise is 24mm. The Adios 8 is 20mm. I prefer a low stack trainer as well…. But there are many options out there.
What shoe similar Asics Superblast? I need shoe: stable, lightweight, cushions, durable? (21-42km pace 6) many thanks !
I mean… the Asiscs Superblast2? But the Mount to Coast S1 has similar vibes in a lower stack shoe.
@@SagasuRunning thanks bro
Hi pls recommend a daily trainer/supertrainer(capable for LSD or marathon) for wide feet. I am wearing a US size 10 Superblast 1, but I still get blisters on the bottom of my toes when I am out for long run/marathon. Thanks. (I am already wearing finger socks btw)
I'd say look at "wide" width versions of daily trainers you are interested in. Asics makes many if you like the brand, though not in the Superblast (which isn't a daily trainer anyway).
@@SagasuRunning thanks
Sir kindly provide some shoe rotation for medium pronatores. Already I am using ASICS get 2000 12. Now kindly suggest me what would my another shoe option form these brands esp on low cushion side.
Because you have suggested to have a combination of high cushion and low cushion.
I’m not well versed in those types of shoes as I rarely run in them. I would take a look at Saucony though. The majority of their shoes have stability built in to them. It’s a good place to start.
Then can I start from saucony truimph 22?
Try the Saucony Tempus; it's a great shoe, with some stability yet quite light and adaptable. Some excellent deals as well as V2 coming soon; I've bought 2 new pairs on sale as I like this shoe so much!
This…. If you are looking for the true stability route.
As per your past video, can I buy vomero 17 to adjust the mild over pronation? Because of its build
Kindly help me out sir, to adjust the mild pronation and add another good shoe on my shoe rotation.
I have confusions between
1) adidas super nova solution (stability version)
2) Pegasus 41 etc
Kindly help me to come to conclusion
Do you know any good daily trainers of the lesser known chinese brands? Like li-ning, xtep, 361 or qiaodan?
I don’t. I don’t follow the main Chinese brands closely as they are very rare here in Taiwan. I have noticed Meta Endurnace is starting to cover them though, but mostly the high end super shoes only.
Here’s a Shoe Talk question: I just discovered that my current daily trainer is a stability shoe. I don’t need a stability shoe because other than a very, very slight supination, I run fine. Is there a drawback to using a stability shoe if you don’t need it? Am I causing myself damage?
Weight and the fact most stability shoes feel like you are running in concrete. Otherwise, I wouldn’t worry about injury (except in some extreme cases).
SL 2 is the G.O.A.T 🐐
I think it’s a bit too early to say…. Let’s check back in 6 months.
I want one shoe that I can use for maybe 2 races per year. Can it be the SL2? Considering most of my runs are 10-15km with varied paces and the odd race (up to 42km). It must be able to do short runs and the odd long run per week (2+ hours)
2 races, of varying distances + all the training/weekly running?
@@SagasuRunning Yes, mostly for weekly running and weekend long runs (2 hours +) with the possibility of 1 or 2 races (42km).
The SL2 will do well, but I’d also add the Supernova Rise for those 2 hours lol runs. The SL2 can do them just fine but rotating two trainers is going to be better all around.
@@SagasuRunning Yeah, rotating shoes would be ideal. Thanks. I was quite surpised on your current take on the B12. It was the other choice for me.....a 1 shoe to do it all. I know you mentioned it cant do the fast paces as good as the Takumi, but my fastest pace is around 4:15 - 4:30/per km. I just need a shoe that will look after me on long runs and of course the shorter/harder workouts. I was hoping the SL2 or B12 could do those.
@@ZaahirJappie For what you are looking for the SL2/B12 combo will be ideal, also good for racing those races you mentioned. At those paces the B12 is wonderful.
Why NB’s Rebel V4 is a no?
I’ve talked about this a lot…. But bad foam, bad hop, too wide, too sloppy for, very much NOT a Rebel.
rebel v4 has worked really well for me as a daily trainer, but I am a lighter track athlete
I spent a lot of time in the Rebel v1 and v2, not so much the v3…. The Rebel should be light, well fitting, nimble and agile off the toe…. Other than light, the v4 has none of that. It’s not a Rebel…. At all.
@@SagasuRunning I had and liked the Rebel v2, including running a half marathon race. The thing I have found in general with New Balance is that their rubber formulations as a brand seem excessively soft and wear quickly.
Yes, the Rebels v1/2 wore very fast. Worst than the Streakfly. But they felt so good until they gave up.
I’ve been using it as a daily also training for a 5k and 10k and it has worked great for me. It’s fast and responsive but has enough cushion for 10k+. I’m an ex track athlete and highly prefer the lower stack lower drop shoes.
my newest shoe is the Rebel Trail named "Venym" from New Balance ... I'm absolutely enthusiastic about this shoe!
I got about 13 minutes into the video and said to myself, "Why hasn't he mentioned the Supernova Rise yet? He loves that shoe." I guess I spoke too soon. 😅
Haha, I had a few use cases to get out first. It made up for it in the last few though!
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