Santa Clara Vanguard Drumline 1987 || Aged Out Reacts
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
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Hosts of the Aged Out Podcast, Mike Fantini and Evan Worrell, react to the Santa Clara Vanguard Drumline from 1987.
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Ralph Hardimon wrote this beautiful and lyrical book - tasty buzz rolls. The pit writing is absolutely spectacular.
This book is such a game-changer, and not just because it's one of the earliest Kevlar snare lines: Ralph's writing grooves SO hard, Glen Crosby's relentless approach polished the execution to a sparkling sheen, and the musicality of the performers and their interpretation of the book is simply timeless. The battery is pushing and pulling time around expressively almost like an orchestra would, but in perfect unison. This is, to me, the essence of what makes Ralph such a great arranger: taste, color, dynamic contrast, big, open rhythms that emphasize half time feels, graceful, fluid parts that FEEL great to play. He is the master of the quarter note triplet!!! Thanks for watching this one.
Can I just say how awesome it is to see some younger former players honoring the past like this? It's cool to see and you picked perhaps the very best that has ever existed in that era. Good stuff
I love modern drumming, but every era has its own greatness. Clean is forever!
My oldest bro is on 2nd bass - appreciate y’all showing this the love it deserves.
Cornbread. You must be Reuben!
Cadets were still on Mylar. Hearing SCV in Tampa, Florida that year was incredible - We had never heard anything like what We heard from the Kevlar.
That was so fun to play. I still remember most of that book (and can play chunks but not at finals tempos).
We were the only corps on prototype kevlar heads. Changed just before tour so we had to basically re-learn how to play the book on a very different surface.
Thank you so much for this super cool podcast and this episode in particular.
Haha oh man! The switch before tour would be brutal! Which did you prefer, the Mylar or Kevlar?
@@agedoutpodcast It was a huge change. We played on nothing like that before. Felt like cement. But the sound cut with our snareline that went from 10 to seven. Also, because the shells were not designed for such high tension, we caved many snares, exploded hardware, etc. It was truly experimental. We all came up on mylar and it was smooth and easy (with a natural sound) on the hands. Once we relearned on that surface, it was fine. Way more exposed but fine.
@@tyhardaway 'Ronie! Love ya Bruh! Jonz '87
These were the first Kevlar heads! I think there was one other group who was also on Kevlar that year as well. I don't believe any top 12 corps had used Kevlar before this year. #falams
I was there that night. It was an out of body experience.
That drum feature: Lezghinka (from Gayne Ballet) by Aram Khachaturian. First performed by SCV in '78. Such a glorious homage here in '87.
The end snare Nate next to the tenors was the one who recorded it.
Sexiest direction-change in history with the baritone line in the opener.
Rumor around SCV when I marched there is that he blew out his knee there and marched the entire show like a badass lol
I wore out my VHS tape of the '87 DCI Finals. This is my all-time favorite show, followed closely by their friends the '87 Cadets!
They are playing on Kevlar heads. They were the first corps to use them in DCI competition this year. Remo Falams as they were called. Correct me if I am wrong, but they were murder to the snare drums themselves. The lugs couldn’t handle the tension and the shells would collapse. At least that is what I remember hearing when I’d hang out with drummer friends back in the day. One of the reasons I believe “floater” snares were created to be able to handle Kevlar heads.
Ya its the first year any corps used kevlar. I marched tenors this year.
Since there is already a lot of debate over the snare heads, I'll clarify: They are Kevlar. Based on what I can see/hear, I would say those are "Remo Falams 2 Neutral Marching Snare Top" heads (probably without the clear center dot). If you google the quoted phrase you will find a yellow-ish head ("neutral") that matches what you see in the video.
Source: Used to work in a drum shop and we had some of those heads leftover from a LONG time ago. I've tried them. They're ok. 😁
Here is an official image of the drumhead:
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They had kevlar prototype heads. The first ones used.
These wouldn't have been the Falams 2 yet, just Falams. The Falams 2 didn't come out for another couple of years when Remo started crimping the heads in the flesh hoop differently as the original heads would pull too easily. That is, if your non-free floater snare drum didn't implode first. ;)
@@SgtHulka95 Completely agree! These are likely prototype heads that would go on to be the original Falam heads (with today's closest match being the Falam 2 Neutral). 😉👍
Some groups still on plastic, but double collared to try to meet the high torque trend. Kevlar was the remedy for shells caving in due to the pressure. Finally the “free floaters” were developed to relieve the pressure from the shell.
You guys need to try and get Ralph Hardimon as a guest. I’ve never met him but have always heard he’s a great guy. Would love to hear his stories of SCV and BK.
I love watching you nerds geek out. One of my all time favorite DCI shows, too. Nice job! 👏👏👏
First Kevlar snare heads in DCI right there, guys :)
No doubt these players all learned to play on Mylar. The drums themselves weren't ready for the heads :)
I don't think kevlar heads were even out before 87 were they? Maybe Duraline had theirs out before that but I never saw any drum lines with them
@@michaelengle9062 JamesC is correct. '87 SCV was the first drum line to use Kevlar heads.
Well done! Thanks so much!
I believe thus was recorded by Nathan Beck. Great percussionist and a great guy.
Yeah, they're on kevlar. One of the first DCI corps I've ever heard of who was on kevlar. Garfield didn't switch till 89.
One of my favorite lines to this day!
Wholly crispy critters Batman!
Best opener ever
‘87 was a great year for drum corp. SCV from that year is easily one of my all-time favorite shows. Thanks guys!
Yeah, these guys were the first one using Kevlar. I still remember seeing those yellow snare batter heads at a show in N.J. No one else in the Top 12 was using them that year, and certainly not the Cadets. We watched the line in the lot prior to the show and it was absolutely electric. The whole line just exuded so much mojo. They were badass and they knew it. Still one of my favorite lines ever. Somewhere I probably still have some cassette recordings from that show, as well as from Allentown, PA that same year. I had audio of the Cadets drum line warming up as well. If I can find those tapes I'll post the audio either on UA-cam or SoundCloud.
But guys...guys! You're talking right over the exposed snare rolls during the percussion feature!!! That's the part I wanted to hear the most because in the official recording the snares don't sound as clean as I knew they were. PLEASE DON'T TALK AT THOSE MOMENTS! (Or if you do, go back and replay the section without commentary.) 🙏
- Geoffrey Brown
Bayonne Bridgemen 1984 (snare)
First year of Kevlar (SCV only). Cadets were on Mylar
SCV First corp to use kevlar falams 1987. Cadets were on mylar in 87
Nathan Beck is the snare that had the recorder. Joe Gilster (the snare) on the end does not have a hat (there is a story behind it). The opening when they come out of the tent was unreal. It was like a movie. They were really nice guys. Ty was the center snare and was very humble. I marched in another corps that year. It is Kevlar. Green if I remember right. I was at this show. Still one of the best ever. The cadets were unreal too.
If you want to see a great example of feel and groove, check out th 1982 Bridgemen.
First year of the Kevlar
It'd be cool if guys also went and reacted to the 87' Cadets drumline to complete the saga of the 3 top drumlines in 87.
Also Vanguard was the first group I believe to use a kevlar head in 87 (some experimenting was done in 86 from what I know but they didn't stick with it) and they were the only top group to use them that season i believe, could be wrong though
It was on the end Snare Nathan
I obtained a VHS of the '87 Finals in the summer of '93. It was my first year in marching band and they threw me on cymbals. What SCV cymbals were doing in this show was amazing to me, especially at 5:30 and the end of the opener.
I was at this show...when I lived in Kansas City...it was awesome!
'87 was in Madison!
@@cpherjennings you are correct! my bad...although 88 and 89 were good years!! Madison in 88 and Vangard in 89
@@richardroberts7677 I was at the '89 finals in KC, so your original comment confused me lol!
@@cpherjennings I confuse myself sometimes lol!
You guys mentioned Broken City, well Mike Jackson comes from the Ralph Hardimon tree, after Hardimon left SCV in 1990, he went to Blue Knights where Mike Jackson marched.
Great reaction and really appreciate your channel. Merry Christmas!!
For the algorithm. ✊
So unfortunate for SCV. friend of mine just committed to be a Bass Tech for the season
😢
Wow, super clean! I really dug the last phrase leading to the end. Great observation about how it sounds like you can only hear a narrow range of players when they played at the edge and more of the whole line as they moved toward the center!
I got the purely audio of this off a drum site that I think is mow defunct. I provided it to Brian Landers and he synched it to the vid (I'm the "homfencing" Derrick Phillips refers to in the info section of the source vid).
Greatly appreciated!
@@agedoutpodcast Frankly, I'd like to see more of this kind of thing....fascinating for a horn guy like me to hear more clearly how the drum parts work with the brass. I've tried running my saved vid and the YT vid for the end of 01 SCV together -- the saved vid being the finals run and the YT one being a battery run in the arc -- but the tempos are juuuuuuuust a little different, so they don't line up like here.
Yes, Kevlar. 88 was the year that nearly every corps left Mylar. I was marching the small corps circuit. My particular corps was still marching 15 inch Slingerlands with silver dots but not the other corps. After hearing tons of filthy snarelines, I was really beginning to wonder if when we reached KC for finals week, I was going to hear any clean lines at all, even in the top 12. Well we got there and it’s true that the top lines were cleaner but even they all had noticeable dirt. Kevlar changed everything.
Great analysis! I love listening to you guys!
And yes, they were on Kevlar❤️
Also, with all the ‘87 love. Get Lee to talk about Cadets.
I remember the first time I saw the end of this opener, simultaneously realizing my snare tech put the exact same lick at the end of our HS opener in 1994
SCV played it at the end of their opener in '94, as well, though it may not be obvious due to the terrible audio.
Cheers to you, too! Garfield 87 snares used mylar... ;)
hard to believe 2023will be the 1st time in DCI history they will not be in FINALs just not Dci without SCV
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It is almost hard to believe you hadn’t sampled this video before. It’s like never having listened to Bach or Mozart
Oh yeah, a drinking game: Do a shot every time you hear them dut.
Those heads are just totally tightened up all the way. Snappy as all ###.. By the way I was Freelancers 1988-1991 on Baritone.
They had kevlars in 87. Tried them during the season in 86 and it was pretty terrible, apparently. But went for it in 87. Just about everyone else followed in 88. Cadets didn't have them until 89 and I think Star of Indiana not until 91. They're tan, because I think they had clear laminate or no laminate. So they look like you're seeing the backside of the drum, but it's actually the head. Notice the difference between the way the snares and tenors look during the solo and it becomes pretty obvious that you're looking at a head on the snares.
Star was on mylar right up until the end in 93. They never went kevlar.
I can't remember what year it was around this time, or whether it was SCV or BD, but someobody used Compo kevlar heads from the Asahi company in Japan.
Premier Marathon heads were popular at that time
EMCPRODUCTIONS VIDEO WHEN??
It's hard for me. I do appreciate today's drum lines, but all the dancing they do is just old now. It's not unique, because every single drumline does it. 94 devils arm flailing was awesome, because they were the only ones doing it at that time. Then every drumline did it, and it wasn't so cool. What if every corps in 88 disappeared like scv did?
Call me ancient, but I'll take this drumline, and 86 devils, 93 star, 87 cadets, 92 crossmen, over today's lines.
And don't get me started on the amplification! ( Thanks, but no thanks George Hopkins! ) Trombones in drum corps? Blasphemy!
Could both of you do a full show recap of crossmen 92?
Love all your videos! Keep up the good work!
Thank you for saying what needed to be said.
I believe this was recorded by Nathan Beck. Great percussionist and a great guy.
I can't remember the name of it, but there was a series of discussions with guys from the '87 Vanguard and Cadets lines about the controversy surrounding that perfect score. It could have been from the guy who made that recording. To me it kinda went in circles, but it was an interesting watch regardless. Ralph Hardimon showed up in one of the later videos and gave his insight into the whole thing. You might want to look for that and maybe even interview those guys. (sorry I can't help with the name)
Its called 30 after 30
I think you guys should have EMC Productions on here to talk about that 2010 crown line🔥
React to pulse percussion 2020. They were on track to win before everything got shut down. 😢
Lezginka!!!
Come on, guys.....KEVLAR is what it was. They were pretty famous for this.
SCV isn't marching because they're running out of funding. Much of their budget comes form an Elk Lodge that does bingo. (not kidding) No one has been let out of their home in CA for years, and with inflation kicking in member dues can't pay for a national tour. Hopefully they put out a fundraiser so that folks can try and help them out.
I wonder if they would save by going back to traditional uniforms?
Not much. Most groups don’t pay much at all, if anything , for their uniforms. Although the budget on their tax returns for staff seemed egregiously high. And that’s saying something since people in the arts are typically woefully underpaid.
I’ve heard that they’ve been in regulatory hell trying to expand their bingo operation as well. Seems like not too long ago that having a bingo operation and owning the corps hall seemed like a formula for indefinite financial security in DCI. Hopefully the year off will give them a good strong foundation to keep the corps alive and thriving for many years to come.
@@agedoutpodcast Staff money is probably mainly allocated to non-teaching/design staff. Especially, if they have a multi-million $ bingo operation. The folks running that expect to be paid real salaries.
All of this is sad because Bill Cook offered to buy every top 12 Corps their own bus company in 1989 if they wanted to run it and use the money to pay for the activities, which completely financed Star through Canadian Brass, Brass Theater and Blast on 2 continents....
ah man...such an iconic show/line. so sad to hear about SCV's financial troubles this coming year. Here's hoping they come back soon and stronger than ever!
Amazing as always yall! Could y’all do Matrix 2022?
10:43 Don't fast forward! You're hearing hints of Gail Royers last show...92 Fiddler
For the Mylar choice
Well done gents getting Lee Beddis!!!!
First DCI drumline with Kevlar, Cadets got unto Kevlar in 1989
Clear heads, bro. With probably 3 or 4 hoops on under the top head🤷♂️
Nah. That's a "Remo Falams 2 Neutral Marching Snare Top" head. 😉
You can clearly see they're clear heads
For sure Kevlar. Ralph has talked about it elsewhere.
@@bochawa4295 The brown-ish color you're seeing isn't the wood from inside the drum. That's the neutral colored falams 2 head. 😉
@@mcgrud yeah, I just asked on of Hardimon's buddies from back then. I thought they were rocking clear heads like everyone else 🤷♂️
Santa Clara Vanguard didn't apply this season.... and it's crazy. My guess is that either they didn't like the new rule proposals or the fuel prices are to high. I don't know.