Santa Clara Vanguard drumline rare footage with Fred Sanford 1978
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- Опубліковано 29 гру 2011
- This rare footage is from a three-part series produced by Larry McCormick in the 1970s featuring the Santa Clara Vanguard drumline: Building The Individual; Building The Section; Melodic Percussion. Each video was quite short; nothing has been edited from the original VHS.
In this second part, the late, legendary Fred Sanford works with each section of the Vanguard drumline - snares, tenors, bass drums, cymbals, timpani & mallets - and offers some insight into the making of a true ensemble. I believe this is the 1978 SCV drumline.
(I don't have the third part of this series.)
one and two and bee-da-la bee-da-la bop bop
I think the most awesome part about all of this great playing is the fact that there is no Dr beat. or no person really clicking with them. They are ridiculously dialed in.
Jabrond Gamble
they are riduculously dialed in, because they did all of that when they were kids...
metronomes are used for homework and beginning levels...once mastered, its second nature...
the past 20 years, you can tell snare players skipped a couple of steps, and their timing struggles...
one such hint is they play like rock stars on the backside of the beat...and they don't know it until someone from the THESE lines tell them.
No Dr. Beat. No dots. No yard line relationships. No relentless dutting.
We just got into our curvilinear forms according to whatever was on Pete Emmons' velum and grease pencil easel. All rote memory, pretty much, from what I recall. Fred Sanford was a cool dude, in a "Jazz Cat" kind of way. He knew music, that's for sure. Sorry he's gone. Still get a smile seeing Pete at drum corps shows. He works for BD now.
Jabrond Gamble Dr beat
you know what else there isn’t. Exceptionally difficult rhythmic passages, tenors at height for anybody. Any difficult bass writing. But hey yeah they were definitely dialed in without a met, and they definitely dut less (though you can hear it still) and yeah they don’t have dots (to or exceptionally hard drill). And yeah no met, and also they aren’t playing at 220 or anything. Also no front ensemble. I’m not saying this is bad just hat progress was definitely the correct direction and this was not a “better time in drum corps” it has its merits and it has its drawbacks just like anything.
@@captainkiwi77 exactly
These guys are ripped, and wearing jeans and polos in the summer with those huge drums. They wouldn't break a sweat today.
I think if you tried to wear jeans to a corps rehearsal today you would be flogged.
The jeans aren't very helpful in heat, but we are idiots about heat these days. It's better to cover up with something loose and floppy than it is to be out there with no shirt.
Devin Crenshaw that damn climate Change would get em
So this line had
-Snares
-Tri-Toms
-Basses
-Timpanis
-Cymbals
-Melodic Percussion
And the basses are like
Bass 3, 3.5, 4, and 5
It looked like they were the 4 largest marching bass drums we have today lol
Fred Sanford.....what a progressive thinking percussion instructor!
This is a great video to show to students to let them know what a drum corps percussion section should be all about.
HE360 That's my point.
Tell me about it. I was in the SCV B Corps in 1978. I spent hours watching these guys play--and I was a horn player. Rob Carson went to my high school and taught our 'line, as well. Got to march with many of these guys in the A Corps in 79.
The marching tympani line is much like a handbell choir. Fascinating...
+panda44r How was marching timpani? Was it heavier than tenors?
Carbon fibre tympani would work. That said, why spot 4-5 players to do the job just 1 can do on the sideline?
they're allowing trombones now. that's sacrilege enough.
oh yeah..I love marching band, even the woodwinds. But I think having to work within the 'constraints" (not really a good term but..) of using bell-front horns and drums (without amps) made the arrangers work a little harder to be creative, and man, look at the results. I dunno...maybe that's what it takes to keep people interested.
+panda44r you can't march all keys, only xylo and bells, which are really the only solo instruments in pit, but vibes and marimbas add a whole different tone and feeling to the show.
I like how he broke down and rehearsed each drum line section separately.
Crazy how much the instruments have changed
1978 was one of the "match grip" years. SCV snares were well versed in trad grip, as well.
I was just about to comment on the fact they are using match grip, too!! I marched corps from 96-99 and I am pretty sure that SCV used match grip one of those years....might've been 95?
i was on Dutchboys snare line in 79 and it was a match grip year though i was taught traditional by my older brother who marched Seneca Optimists snareline in 76 and 77. i begged the Dutchboy drum instructor to let us play trad but there were too many on the line that couldnt get it. oh well. our score had a lot of sticking in it and it would of been way better doing it Traditional grip.
Their 1st bass is that same size as a modern 3rd bass.
Between 3rd-5th
I was mesmerized by corps like this in the late 70s. They just took the field and you held your breath.
I love the mantra of the day back then: "If you can't tote it, you don't march it".
Who's listening/watching this in 2017 almost 2018?
drumcorps0junkie 2019 bro
@@captainkiwi77 2020 bro
2020
Here in 2024
I LOVED THAT OPENER! Please play it again SCV!
Great Scott! 💚🥁💚🥁
Happy birthday Mr. Sanford. RIP.
John Martin 😇✌️🎂❤️🎶❤️🍧✌️😇
It's too bad he passed away too early. His main colleague from the SCV era, Pete Emmons, and his protegé, Ralph Hardimon are still both alive and kickin'. Still involved in corps. Fred was a heavy smoker, as I recall. Probably contributed to his early demise. Too bad, I liked him. He was a "cool cat."
Always great I remember competing against them Bridgemen brass 80’s
I believe the marching tympani lines added a lot of melodic lines a single tympanist could not do. 3 men could play while the other 2 retune.
I have a Slingerland catalog as well. The heaviest instrument was the vibes, at only 35 pounds.
It was 27, definitely. Think Kingsmen had 2 or 3 chimes attached to their marching bells in '74.
For SCV, snare harnesses came in 1979. SCV had 11 snares that year and won high drums.
12 snares in 79"
when i marched snare in 79 we used the sling with the dome projector under the snare. talk about heavy. would always whack my knee on that projector cause i was at the end so I was moving fast. lol
It always amazes me how long it took people to figure out that having toms sitting this high is not a good idea
love those slingerland tdr snares!
Classic!
Match grip!! Love it.
5:52 - 6:12 Proof that bass cadence has been around since forever.
Since 1974 written by Gary Siebert
As Charley Poole would say: "Back when men were men, sheep were scarce, and women were glad..." I met Fred Sanford in 1986, and Rob Carson helped the '84 Lancers when I was in the snare line. Their approach was the state of the art in those days. What fun!
I marched snare with Bayonne in '84. A friend of mine from the tri-tom line and I were just talking about you guys over Thanksgiving dinner. We both loved that '84 Lancers drum line! Watched you many times throughout that season. You guys should've beat Blue Devils in finals!
Back in the day when "real drummers strapped-up."
I first saw this film - 16 or 35mm (I forget) in a gym when we were on a mini tour with a Youth Band. Back in that time, Rob Carson and Fred Sanford were demiGods, and that 78 SCV show was my mind-blowing introduction to DCI. Man what I wouldn't do for a time machine...
The narrator sounds like a Charlie Brown character.
The narrator is Robbie Carson. One of the greatest rudimentary snare drummers that ever lived. Plus, he had Fred Sanford, one of greatest drum instructors that ever lived. I first saw Robbie in about 1969, when he was just a kid, about a foot shorter than the rest of the guys in the line. Drum Corps News made him quite a celeb, but he really was that good.
Marching pit? I would love to march around with a 5 octave marimba! Haha!
In some cases. However, most of us were from the local high schools and colleges. We either marched SCV or Concord. Not many traveled too far to march in another corps. Different times.
At about 9:40 one can see backsticking at a slow tempo, which is helpful to those of us who are not that familiar with it.
Right. One of the "match grip" years. It proved to be very successful for them. They took high drums in 78 and 79 using match grip.
groovy man love the BD tunics they are wearing ...... tri toms !!!!!
One of the best lines ever!! 👌🏾❤
Yup. LOL. ..And also they won high drums twice with match grip, one with straps and one with harnesses.
Reminds me of the mid-late 80's :-) not much had changed
I have no problem with Bb horns but electronics oh God
I just can't get over that groove at 6:01 haha. So old school.
When I'm a band director after I graduate and go to college, I think I'm gonna use Mylar heads. I like that crispy sound. mmm.
Also, am i the only one who think marching timpani have a cooler sound than concert timpani?
John Martin the specific snare heads they use in this are godly....i just got one on a 1960's slingerland i bought....god why did they stop making that model
haha john , u would have loved drum corps back then man, the parts and arrangements are much more congested with more notes now, but the whole vibe back then , was generally just blow the audience away with a huge sound. I wonder what your doing now , as ive seen lots of your comments on the old school hype ?
some cool stuff
Very cool!......
It's weird to see matched on snare.
didn't SCV use matched grip for snares up until recently?
No, they didn't. They did for a while in the 1970s, but nobody's been using it for ages and ages.
I swear I saw something in the 90's about them using matched on snare and their pedagogical approach. I will have to look. Of course, to me the 90's was "recently.." :-)
+agogobell28 in wgi I believe Dartmoth hs uses is.
+agogobell28 in wgi I believe Dartmoth hs uses is.
why is it that everybody in dci back then was ripped
Most dci guys now are ripped buddy😂
Well TBH, they're not showing the SCV hornline. We "weren't" as ripped. LOL. A lot of it was probably diet, but drummers are always skinny.
Wow i wanna see them on a drum kit
813RiC drumline chops don’t corollate to set in the manner you’re thinking.
Legend
@leemcd56 ... not exactly forever ... straight bass (with one stick) and without graduated size through the 1960s with usually a pair of rudimental basses playing a monotone part. Then, in the early seventies (cutting edge 1972) graduated basses but still with one stick. During ensuing 6 years before the making of this video, the combined rudi/pitched/two stick bass sections emerged. But you're right ...all the separated patterns there from the start when it happened including solo bass cadence.
With the tenors that high I'd imagine a lot of wrist injuries..
drumming has come so far since then amazing
Sopr, Alto, Tenor, Bass..that's an interesting way to look at pitched drums..
I'll have to try that.
Oh how things have evolved
BIG Slingerland Bass Drums w homeade patches! Yeah7
@Footbalar09: my guess is control. It's much easier to articulate those open rolls across ten snares and keep it clean. And then there's aesthetics. When it was discovered that the snare drum could be carried parallel to the ground with the carrying straps, playing traditional grip, cleanly, became a challenge and why you see some corps' of today, that play traditional, angle their snares.
That's just the way Santa Clara used to play.
Nice back sticking.
Marching timpani! Kinda wish those were still used
Fiberglass. They were terrible to keep in tune.
I'm also a fan of marching tymps. They sound so cool backfield echoing off the bleachers. You miss that nowadays kinda.
They're tri-toms! :)
Just saw this video today. Wow, I thought the 1987 Santa Clara Vanguard was the first time they played this Drum SOLO. The way it was written sounded so clean live with correct note interpretation and phrasing. This is great the 1978 Vanguard was the original version and it sounded extremely similar. I am a old drum corp relic but just got shown how wet behind the ears I am when it comes to drum corp knowledge. My hats off to you 1978 Santa Clara Vanguard. See 1987 Vanguard version here ua-cam.com/video/yaVJX22WRxo/v-deo.html
Lezghinka was played in '78, as shown in this film. It was so intense! The corps also played Lezghinka in '79, one of the years I marched SCV. We also played it last year in the SCV Alumni Corps.
oh yea
Back when drumlines were real Drumline still PS I own a slingerland snare drum that I purchased in August of 1958 looks brand new like when I took it out of the box for the very first time with mylar heads love my drum
Do you still have it?
Thanks for the info. Does that mean that Rob Carson was not originally planning on marching that year or competing in I&E?
if they saw scv from the future, they'd shit bricks.
I actually meant to respond to the comment about being ripped.
I’m surprised they don’t make tenors like that anymore
Triple toms they're outdated now
I bet they never knew the marimba would be added 2 years after this
Watching this for my drumline lol
Even tho I'm not in drumline
7:30 is a semi pitched tenor drum
I really want a snare drum with straps, anyone know where I could find one online or something?
Mason Carmody ebay it up...please though, don't go with a Slingerland unless it has all of its parts and you're prepared to find it or make it if it doesn't or breaks
1970's. the year where guys wore booty shorts and it was normal.
now the people that did that in the 70s complain about men dressing "girly"
3:02
Oneness in time my butt! Snare tick in the foreground at 2:07 while playing SINGLES. Not to mention the dirty transition to the left hand just prior to that. Todays DCI lays waste to these classic guys. I know it’s hard to hear….but it’s the truth. Still doesn’t make them bad players…..but to me the definition of clean has evolved tremendously.
exactly, and they cant dance worth shit either
He meant the size of the basses.
holy f-ing balls! that's the weight of the marching bongos (the big latin drums, haha. idk if congas are big or not) a corp marched a few times! or the xylo-vibe from SOA, 79. dude what model are they? my school has a set of Yamaha Field-Corp. About 25 pounds.
Kent Cater is on #2.
Question, when did SCV snares change to Kevlar heads with die cast hoops? Was it in 89?
1987
5:53 hey, this sounds familiar 🙂
What is the name of it?
Damn the drumline is RIPPED
That, and Americans were generally skinnier in the 70s. Everyone was pretty skinny, and people who marched corps were more fit.
I was always battling my chubbiness back then. Drum corps had me looking the fittest I ever was in my entire life. I'm back to chubbs now. LOL.
Rodney Wilson !!
which bass drummer is kent cater
#2
Sounds like Bob Ross at 4:02
not Slingerland brand though.
How come there all playing match grip?
Because that's what Fred wanted to do. It was very successful at the time.
Because they can.
timing
haha okay cool. :D last year i was on bells, in 7th grade. this year im on quads. we don't own any quints/6-packs
That's one Drumline still play Mini rudiments. Not so many rimshots that a totally unnecessary, no bobbing of the head, Nobody English, no juggling, and no prancing around like ballerinas.
I apologize for voice recognition should read many rudiments, not Mini rudiments
Proper drum corp
5 sons of anarchy!
they arent quads they are triples
Armless567 they are tenors
HIGH MARK TIME AND HEAVY ASS DRUMS LOL
This video is proof that articulation and focused tuning was possible before die cast hoops and kevlar sucked the resonance out of drum lines and castrated them in subservience to horns. *Choreography* gurus lacked appreciation for the section building this video describes. Too "boring" for them. The pit was THEIR answer to get rid of whatever could not be moved quickly, plus carriers applied to snares. Sonic nuance of movement of tymps in two dimensions disappeared along with tymp ensemble work
So when they needed traditional grip, they used matched, and now when they need matched, they use traditional. wtf?
And NO MET OR DUTS
There were a few duts in there just couldn't hear em good
wtf are those quads?? :o
ccfootball97 quads...4....tri toms...3....quints...5....(technically) sextets...6
Those are Tri Toms.
C’mon man. You’ve never seen Tri-Toms?
Ground Zero.
They look like grandmasters
Oh god marching in jeans mustve sucked
My wrists hurt now... there is no finger action at all
8:19-8:28 = sexy.
for goodness sake fix the tracking on this video!