Excellent video. This type of recruiting video is just what the AF needs. Kidding. I know Freebird will appreciate the shout out and work on those issues. I know the rudder and authority has been an issue, and they did work to trim the vertical stabs down a bit. Guess they better get the saws out again...
I tried out the mod as well and i honestly thought the mod was ok, but the flight model was ridiculous and then you show side by side footage and its even more ridiculous in real life! great job flying the demonstration!
The problem with helicopters is that they just don’t look all that spectacular doing displays. I mean I could try but I just don’t think it will be all that exciting to watch.
I just installed my FFbeast yesterday in my simpit. Amazing feel in the F14 and F4. F18 is more numb for sure but right now I am just using the default settings Roman loaded it with. Such a leap ahead of the VKB gunfighter base I used for years with 2 #50 springs on each axis and 200mm extension. It was always still to light feeling and over stressing the jet was too easy and so was screwing up the break turn. Now with the immense force of the stick and having to actually muscle it means that I am no longer accidentally rolling in too much nor am I pinning it to 8gs so easy and bleeding off energy in BFM. Pretty awesome stick base. I am running 2 Dell 240w psu chargers right now but a guy in Utah is making a really nice plug and play psu option that has a fan built in it that delivers more amps than the 2 Dell psus. It is also far less susceptible to overheating and shut down when running the FFbeast at above 50% power limit. In the f14 though the jet feels so alive. also it reminds me of when I flew an SF 260 years ago at Air Combat USA. The stick required a lot of muscle to get max performance and holding it in a loop and tight turns. No more mushy weak ass sticks.
Wow! Impressive work! Loved it! I'm fairly new to the channel, but I will commend you for the choice of testing - and showcasing - the flight model through an airshow! Brilliant idea! Makes a ton of sense. Excellently flown, too! Very cool to see the mod has come this far. Have had high hopes for it for a while, but never committed to it. Sounds like it still has a bit of way to go, but it's getting there.
I owned a vp rhino for 2 months. It great. I own a ffb beast for a week, and it’s… amazing. Both have advantages and drawback- main advantage of the rhino. Smaller and smooth as butter. No cogging at all. Drawback of the rhino, force aren’t very powerful even at max setting. Advantage of the ffbeast ? Amazingly powerful. I can set it up that at 8-9g in a phantom, I need to used both my arms to pull it for a certain amount of time. Drawback ? It’s bigger and there is a little bit of cogging but you totalla forget about it while flying
Oh glad you finally got it! And nice to hear your comparison as everyone keeps asking me to compare the two! I do agree the forces with FFBeast do an add a huge amount to the immersion of flying a “real” jet!
And the good news is that the manufacturer also taught me how to tweak the settings of the beast, and I managed to get rid of the slight cogging that I felt. So now it’s both smooth and very powerful, which is amazing. Both are great products.
Impressive flying as always. Do you have Il-2? I'd be curious to see how the stick handles in Il-2 with the bigger range of potential planes to fly. Maybe you can experience the joy of pulling out of a dive in the Stuka!
I really want ED to start making new more modern aircrafts for red side, such as su 30, su 35, mig 35, the good stuff. Right now without any fox 3 modding in mp servers russian fc3 is pretty bad
Maybe if you try to spell differently the cool-bit it makes more sense? ::D :D Very nice mod indeed. A bit overpowered as you said and some graphic minuses but... great overall. It's so overpowered now that you basically can stop the plane and park it behind a tall building or hill and maneuver around it to hide from an opponent :) . Maybe for now was necessary so the rest works?
Can't a Raptor do that stall turn at 11:27 (in a lesser form) by lowering or killing the throttle on one engine? I've always thought that at least somewhat possible with enough engine separation on twinjets going back to the Tomcat, sans the whole 60 degree alpha bit. Or am I missing something?
Amazing show! Do you think it's possible that in the real shows they're using differential thrust to get more yaw rotation you were missing? Sorry if it's a stupid question 😀
HARMs are being used by Ukraine, so can’t be seen as pro-Russia. But it might be that backlash was received on another video since then, warranting the addition 🤷🏼♂️
hey, stupid question, at the moment where you mention that rudder authority is lacking ( maple leaf maneuver ) - could it be that the irl pilots are using added thrust to one side to accelerate the spin (split throttle)?
On my ffbeast, with a 7cm extension and a hornet stick, I am using like 20% of max force.. in a f4 phantom, if I pull 8-9g r more than 5-6 second I have to use my second hand to pull the stick and not get a cramp.. that thing is incredibly powerful. I have a vp rhino as well, and it’s nowhere close in term of force. The rhino feel smoother though (no cogging at all)
Doubtful I’d say. It’s 70% fuelled it was 1500kg by the last pass. And the real plane is more energetic in a lot the manoeuvres so I doubt the fuel is a huge factor
@CommandT Considering a flanker holds approx 20 000 lbs of fuel I'd say that's a significant amount of fuel. Try fueling for the time required + plus min fuel for rtb/divert. I'm thinking the real jet has below 50% and most likely 30-45% if it's strictly for a MAKS style airshow. Anwho, just my two cents.. Great display on your part nonetheless
Tbh it’s already comical with how overpowered the mod is so I would actually make it heavier if I could, not lighter! But I get that in theory it could be less fuel in real life
At 11:30 you said the stall turn cant be done with any other fighters do it, even the raptor. However, in this video ua-cam.com/video/GW2Hvu_mUdU/v-deo.htmlsi=_vkoJFKH4RTro3uP, the raptor did something pretty similar at 4:00 ( i know the raptor did pitch it’s nose down a bit before the stall turn, but it looks pretty similar to the su-30 in the vid)
It's funny how people get so impressed with such mundane things as thrust vectoring... Pretty easy to experience thrust vectoring in real life - just get into a boat with an outboard motor. I'd say it takes much more skill to put it on the plane and trim it out properly while managing the turns and avoiding conditions like chinewalking.
@@CommandT Probably for a reason? After all, many a spacecraft have TVC implemented - including Musk's rockets. Do you think engineering that is a piece of cake compared to aviation stuff? I surely doubt it's a much more complicated feat than the Tomcat's sweep-wing or the monstrous construct on F-35B. Speaking of which, did you know "Fat Amies" employ electro-hydraulic actuators (not to mention DSI)? Look that up. Now that's some interesting stuff. Recently, however, I was re-visiting the topic of TVC in fighter jets and found it to be more advantageous than I previously thought, but still... Do you really believe apart from the Russians nobody could pull that off? Honestly, if anything - I'm more impressed with the Rafales than I am with the TVC Flankers.
Мне показалось, что пилотаж у этого мода недостаточно энергичный в сравнении с реальным самолётом. Все движения слишком размазанные, плавные и сонные...
Совсем не во всём. По крену мод чётче и быстрее чем в реальной жизни. Ну и по энерговооруженности он вообще гораздо превосходит реальный самолёт. Но в чём-то это правда… реальный пилотаж более резкий.
@@CommandT По времени разгона с 600 до 1100 на высоте порядка 2000м с 50% запасом топлива что у вас получается? Попробуйте замерить. Тут можно будет довольно ясно судить об тяговооруженности...
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Amazing flying. And the way you compared it to the real world SU30 along with your commentary was top notch. 👍🏽
Awesome, glad you liked it! :)
Excellent video. This type of recruiting video is just what the AF needs. Kidding. I know Freebird will appreciate the shout out and work on those issues. I know the rudder and authority has been an issue, and they did work to trim the vertical stabs down a bit. Guess they better get the saws out again...
Thanks! Yeah a few more tweaks and it’ll be great!
I tried out the mod as well and i honestly thought the mod was ok, but the flight model was ridiculous and then you show side by side footage and its even more ridiculous in real life! great job flying the demonstration!
Thanks! I wouldn’t call it ridiculous but it definitely does need refinement!
Amazing demo. I thought your former demos were amazing, but this one is even better.
Thanks!! 😁
Awesome video! What a beast of an aircraft. Would love to see one of your ultra realistic airshow demos flown in a DCS helicopter!!!
The problem with helicopters is that they just don’t look all that spectacular doing displays. I mean I could try but I just don’t think it will be all that exciting to watch.
I just installed my FFbeast yesterday in my simpit. Amazing feel in the F14 and F4. F18 is more numb for sure but right now I am just using the default settings Roman loaded it with. Such a leap ahead of the VKB gunfighter base I used for years with 2 #50 springs on each axis and 200mm extension. It was always still to light feeling and over stressing the jet was too easy and so was screwing up the break turn. Now with the immense force of the stick and having to actually muscle it means that I am no longer accidentally rolling in too much nor am I pinning it to 8gs so easy and bleeding off energy in BFM. Pretty awesome stick base. I am running 2 Dell 240w psu chargers right now but a guy in Utah is making a really nice plug and play psu option that has a fan built in it that delivers more amps than the 2 Dell psus. It is also far less susceptible to overheating and shut down when running the FFbeast at above 50% power limit. In the f14 though the jet feels so alive. also it reminds me of when I flew an SF 260 years ago at Air Combat USA. The stick required a lot of muscle to get max performance and holding it in a loop and tight turns. No more mushy weak ass sticks.
That’s awesome to hear!! Very glad to hear you are enjoying it! And I agree the force is awesome! 😃
Wow! Impressive work! Loved it! I'm fairly new to the channel, but I will commend you for the choice of testing - and showcasing - the flight model through an airshow! Brilliant idea! Makes a ton of sense. Excellently flown, too! Very cool to see the mod has come this far. Have had high hopes for it for a while, but never committed to it. Sounds like it still has a bit of way to go, but it's getting there.
Indeed! Thanks 🙏
If I remember correctly, Kulbit is actually the name of the maneuver in English!
Best content I've seen today, keep up good work. Subbed.
Thanks!!! 🙏
I owned a vp rhino for 2 months. It great. I own a ffb beast for a week, and it’s… amazing. Both have advantages and drawback- main advantage of the rhino. Smaller and smooth as butter. No cogging at all. Drawback of the rhino, force aren’t very powerful even at max setting. Advantage of the ffbeast ? Amazingly powerful. I can set it up that at 8-9g in a phantom, I need to used both my arms to pull it for a certain amount of time. Drawback ? It’s bigger and there is a little bit of cogging but you totalla forget about it while flying
Oh glad you finally got it! And nice to hear your comparison as everyone keeps asking me to compare the two! I do agree the forces with FFBeast do an add a huge amount to the immersion of flying a “real” jet!
And the good news is that the manufacturer also taught me how to tweak the settings of the beast, and I managed to get rid of the slight cogging that I felt. So now it’s both smooth and very powerful, which is amazing.
Both are great products.
как же он круто и без акцента сказал "Североморск"
Ага 😉
@@CommandT неужели я все это время был прав о том что ты русскоговорящий? 😶
Impressive flying as always. Do you have Il-2? I'd be curious to see how the stick handles in Il-2 with the bigger range of potential planes to fly. Maybe you can experience the joy of pulling out of a dive in the Stuka!
I don’t have Il2 I’m afraid. I probably will try it again when the Il2 Korea sim is released
@@CommandT I'm looking forward to that one! I've long thought the Il-2 engine would make a perfect Korean sim. Glad to see they agree!
Maybe next years FS Expo. Cheers!!
I guess the real jet is using split throttle to increase rotation speed during the spin. You should use differential thrust.
I don’t think so!
@@CommandT ok.
I wonder if splitting the throttles might enhance the thrust vectoring yaw input in the sim
Yeah it would probably help!
I get so much fun flying this. Think about what we have FOR FREE!! So good.
I really want ED to start making new more modern aircrafts for red side, such as su 30, su 35, mig 35, the good stuff. Right now without any fox 3 modding in mp servers russian fc3 is pretty bad
wow very nice one. russians really make good aircraft''s, i believe the camera angles made the show much more cooler
Glad to hear! 😁
@@CommandT your video quality is getting better and better. every video keep it up! i love watching your videos
Maybe if you try to spell differently the cool-bit it makes more sense? ::D :D
Very nice mod indeed. A bit overpowered as you said and some graphic minuses but... great overall. It's so overpowered now that you basically can stop the plane and park it behind a tall building or hill and maneuver around it to hide from an opponent :) . Maybe for now was necessary so the rest works?
Yeah who knows! Hopefully the thrust gets adjusted at some point
Can't a Raptor do that stall turn at 11:27 (in a lesser form) by lowering or killing the throttle on one engine? I've always thought that at least somewhat possible with enough engine separation on twinjets going back to the Tomcat, sans the whole 60 degree alpha bit. Or am I missing something?
I mean it could maybe do that in theory but nobody would ever try that and has certainly not been done on video to my knowledge.
Amazing show! Do you think it's possible that in the real shows they're using differential thrust to get more yaw rotation you were missing? Sorry if it's a stupid question 😀
Thanks! I highly doubt that they do that
cringe disclaimer.... why didnt you make one in your MiG29 HARM video?! Nobody has to be offended by planes. But the Video is nice!
HARMs are being used by Ukraine, so can’t be seen as pro-Russia.
But it might be that backlash was received on another video since then, warranting the addition 🤷🏼♂️
Because I fully support Ukraine.
@@CommandT Sad and critical statement.... hating or canceling things and products that are russian is just wrong.
Politics... politics is everywhere.
@@getsideways7257 yes thats sad. I hate it. Leave politics out of the sim.
hey, stupid question, at the moment where you mention that rudder authority is lacking ( maple leaf maneuver ) - could it be that the irl pilots are using added thrust to one side to accelerate the spin (split throttle)?
No I highly doubt they are splitting throttles!
Amazing Demo. How much torque are you using on your FFBeast. The full 35 Nm?
Can’t remember now but most of it anyway.
@@CommandT Thanks!
On my ffbeast, with a 7cm extension and a hornet stick, I am using like 20% of max force.. in a f4 phantom, if I pull 8-9g r more than 5-6 second I have to use my second hand to pull the stick and not get a cramp.. that thing is incredibly powerful. I have a vp rhino as well, and it’s nowhere close in term of force. The rhino feel smoother though (no cogging at all)
How much fuel are you carrying relative to the IRL demo jet? Thinking this maybe explains some of the differences observed.
Doubtful I’d say. It’s 70% fuelled it was 1500kg by the last pass. And the real plane is more energetic in a lot the manoeuvres so I doubt the fuel is a huge factor
@CommandT Considering a flanker holds approx 20 000 lbs of fuel I'd say that's a significant amount of fuel. Try fueling for the time required + plus min fuel for rtb/divert. I'm thinking the real jet has below 50% and most likely 30-45% if it's strictly for a MAKS style airshow.
Anwho, just my two cents..
Great display on your part nonetheless
Tbh it’s already comical with how overpowered the mod is so I would actually make it heavier if I could, not lighter! But I get that in theory it could be less fuel in real life
I’ve been wondering what you comercial pilots do on long flights. Do you just talk to ATC and each other?
Thankfully I don’t do long haul. But yes, effectively.
Did you edited the in cockpit FOV view fot better angles?
My default position is not like yours on the video
Nope, cockpit footage was recorded "live"
I can become Mihaly with this plane
Большое спасибо за красоту полёта.
Please allow access to the Tacview file. Thank you with best regards.🤝
At 11:30 you said the stall turn cant be done with any other fighters do it, even the raptor. However, in this video ua-cam.com/video/GW2Hvu_mUdU/v-deo.htmlsi=_vkoJFKH4RTro3uP, the raptor did something pretty similar at 4:00 ( i know the raptor did pitch it’s nose down a bit before the stall turn, but it looks pretty similar to the su-30 in the vid)
What? That’s not even remotely close. That raptor just made a left turn at low speed. Absolutely nothing to do with a stall turn.
@@CommandT it kinda did a high alpha pass and yaw to the right, but the raptor pitched it’s nose down a bit before making the turn
is it completly free or is the fc3 required?
I think the Su-33 is required
Can I buy the FF beast ?
You can pre-order as there’s a long lead time atm. It’s in the description.
What is a Talis HUD?
Thales is a French company which crafts electronic devices for aircrafts, as well as weapons. A Thales HUD is a Head-up Display made by Thales.
@@PeypaMikko-1842 thanks! I was wondering if it was working off a different principle than normal or style, so thanks.
It's funny how people get so impressed with such mundane things as thrust vectoring... Pretty easy to experience thrust vectoring in real life - just get into a boat with an outboard motor. I'd say it takes much more skill to put it on the plane and trim it out properly while managing the turns and avoiding conditions like chinewalking.
Except nothing about thrust vectoring is mundane since so few aircraft have that ability.
@@CommandT Probably for a reason? After all, many a spacecraft have TVC implemented - including Musk's rockets. Do you think engineering that is a piece of cake compared to aviation stuff? I surely doubt it's a much more complicated feat than the Tomcat's sweep-wing or the monstrous construct on F-35B. Speaking of which, did you know "Fat Amies" employ electro-hydraulic actuators (not to mention DSI)? Look that up. Now that's some interesting stuff.
Recently, however, I was re-visiting the topic of TVC in fighter jets and found it to be more advantageous than I previously thought, but still... Do you really believe apart from the Russians nobody could pull that off? Honestly, if anything - I'm more impressed with the Rafales than I am with the TVC Flankers.
Мне показалось, что пилотаж у этого мода недостаточно энергичный в сравнении с реальным самолётом. Все движения слишком размазанные, плавные и сонные...
Совсем не во всём. По крену мод чётче и быстрее чем в реальной жизни. Ну и по энерговооруженности он вообще гораздо превосходит реальный самолёт. Но в чём-то это правда… реальный пилотаж более резкий.
@@CommandT По времени разгона с 600 до 1100 на высоте порядка 2000м с 50% запасом топлива что у вас получается? Попробуйте замерить. Тут можно будет довольно ясно судить об тяговооруженности...