I just wanted to say how much I love how well you guys are able to put things into context. It's super rare to find such a deep dive in a recap. Congrats to the team! As a fan of Dune for over 30 years, this is seriously satisfying, because it's always been hard to talk about this stuff with non-fans. Thanks!
@@nicokarsen6131 While I wouldn't call it bad, and many shows require a few seasons to truly find their footing, I felt the writing didn't always fully live up to the show's exceptional cinematography, world-building, and the inherent strength of its core story.
Excellent recap and vulgarisation of the Duniverse! I love your interpretation of the Prophecy series and what might come next. (Huge fan of the Bene Gesserit)
@@lovezuuu he played the same character in raised by wolves (also from HBO) but on steroids...this is like the dime storer version. weird to see him do a bootleg version of his own work.
The cloaked figure watching Desmond being altered by the machine might be Vorian Atreides who himself was altered by machines to prolong his life. Early season 2 theory: Vorian is revealed as the real antagonist of the series.
I'm not sure if I'd believe Vorians motivations to do this based on the last time we saw him in the books, but could be an interesting twist if season 2 can justify it!
@@thatmattcaronguy he could be sort of trying to counter Valiya from the shadows bc he doesn’t want her to think he’s alive. He has a love for humanity and has some mixed feelings on whether or not he should have taken the throne when he realizes how inept the Corinos are. It could work well if they do it right. We can get the story of the early Fremen that we got a bit of in the prequel books.
Excellent analysis! One of the best posted online! The ending of season one was foreshadowed several times. First, Desmund was not afraid of, or surprised by, or even nervous around the thinking machine lizard in episode one's betrothal scene. Instead, Desmund quickly stabs the lizard quite easily as if he knew how it would move or if he had done that before.... but curiously he does not destroy it. Later, Desmund gives a blue ball of "forbidden technology" to the Baron Harkonen even though he loudly preached against that technology many times. Finally, Desmund was clearly manipulating/controlling the emperor ...even though he had just magically appeared out of nowhere. Desmund complained that the sisters were controlling the emperor, but he was doing the same thing, and exactly what the empress was trying to do. The irony is rich. Finally, it appears that Valya's nephew has been plotting to backstab her for quite some time. It is not beyond logic that the Baron Harkonen has been working with thinking machines for some time... and he could be the figure that Desmund saw while the thinking machines operated on him. The only other human ruthless enough to do such a thing to another human with a thinking machine would be the Bene Tleilax (assuming the figure that Desmund saw watching his eye operation is human). Who else could it be? None of the other human characters we have been introduced to so far in the TV series make sense. This series keeps us in suspense!
Having read just about all the Dune books, this was pretty much my suspicion about where the show was going. Very nice summary and tie in to all the source material.
One thing I notice a lot of Dune readers miss about this story is the Fremen being under persecution is the reason the galactic jihad takes place. That is why I agree with Stilgar so much. The true Tyrant was never Paul it was the Lansrad. Paul and the Fremen are a reaction or anti-body to the Tyranny of that age that extended to Leto to repair the galaxy.
My reading (and it's been a while) was that Dune was arguing that the cycle of tyranny and emancipation of humans by humans was part of the ebb and flow of the species, but that the tyranny of humans by machines was the real threat. I know Frank said multiple times that the stories were about warning people to not trust heroes or charismatic leaders. It just didn't strike me as particularly optimistic about humanity's capabilities of acting on those warnings on a scale that matters.
@@kayvee256 And Frank CHANGED HIS MIND getting older. At the beginning, Paul was coward for refusing to become the tyrant that would free humanity from stagnation. But getting older, his REAL life politics started (sadly) to influence his opinion on his work of fiction. In modern language we would say "he turned woke" just like Arnold Schwarzenegger who made a 180 degree turn from the tough manly courageous guy he was in the past, to the pussy coward and sell out he became as an old man.
@@kayvee256 His view of humanity is correct. We can be terrible creatures, yet a small amount of us have great qualities. That is why his work remains a great conversation to have during any time. Governments make decisions that trap the majority of us in a never ending cycle of conflict over natural resources. Oil for example or other minerals. The extraction of these resources relies on exploitation of many indigenous people. Those people rebel leading to the never ending cycle of conflict. Humanity must break the cycle of exploitation and greed just as the conflict over spice created creates war and instability
_"Missionaria Protectiva"_ wasn't exclusive to Arrakis, it was seeds of supersition that BG sowed in primitive planets (all they could) in case one day they needed to seek refuge, so they could blend in the crowd and even get the upper hand (be treated like deities, or at the very least with reverence solemly because of their BG ways). EDIT: I absolutely would love to see Vorian show up. He is my favorite characters from the Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson books (from Frank Herbert's Miles Teg is my favorite, closely followed by Leto II).
Correct, but I'm wondering if we could see the first time the MP reaches Arrakis. But it also doesn't look like the MP is one of the Sisterhood's most powerful tools yet.
Great question! I'm going to assume (since this is technically the first time we've seen someone killed with meta-cyanide (I'm pretty sure?)) that the poison acts so quickly that even a Reverend Mother may not have the time to process an antidote. Thematically however, Francesca was in a moment of grief at the loss of Javicco and since the Gom Jabbar "only kills animals," one could argue that Francesca was giving into her animalistic emotions at the time rather than her heightened sense of awareness that a Sister would normally maintain.
I am VERY new to Dune and just finished the Series... I can't express enough how much I enjoyed it despite not knowing much about the Dune world, I am just appreciative there is a Dune world - I loved GOT until it started to suck bad (IMO) so I am hopeful Dune can maintain what I consider high quality.
The movies and the series did attracted me to the colossal work of Frank Herbert. So, I'm far from a specialist about this saga, but just for spicing up neophytes' curiosity, these new productions won their bets.
I mean... In more immediate terms, Empress Natalya could be the tyrant. She wants to destroy the Sisterhood. I don't think she would allow Constantine be the Emperor. She hated his mother. Lila becoming the reason Bene Gesserits kill abominations on sight is sad, but it makes sense.
8:03 Let's remember that most of the body parts supplied by the Thleilaxu were not produced in Axlotl tanks, but were taken from slaves. That was a secret of the Thleilaxu, known by few outsiders, like the corrupt Iblis Ginjo (the Grand Patriarch of the Holy Jihad), and was later discovered by Xavier Harkonnen, who sacrificed himself and his Family Name to eliminate Iblis Ginjo. The Thleilaxu lied that all those body parts were produced in Axlotl tanks to hide the horror of what they were doing. Very few knew that Xavier Harkonnen had sacrificed his life and legacy and honour to eliminate a traitor, like Vorian Atreides, because it was established that this truth could end the Jihad, and the Thinking Machines had not been defeated yet.
I just replied to another comment thinking it could be Vorian as well, but I think his character is more of a pacifist by this point in the timeline, so I'm not sure he would be behind such a violent weapon like Desmond
Awsome analysis! A side note: isn't Constantine done? His parents are dead, his mother will be a prime suspect, th Emperess hates him, Hart hates him, substitute Princess is a question mark. He has zero allys. I thought he'll become more serious player, but his prospects are currently non-existant. Or did I miss anything?
At this point, I think Natalya would only rule as Regent, that is if she doesn't break the coalition her marriage forged. And based on the patriarchal structures of the Imperium, I think most people would accept Constantine since he is of Corrino blood.
@@thatmattcaronguy Hmmm... He wasn't shown to have any raport with the nobles (galavanting din't do him any favors) and his character just started evolving. I'm not so optimistic and I have a soft spot for him since his own mom told him his 'only purpose'. He even accepted it. The princess is sympathetic too (headstrong, entitled, yes...but she does have a moral compass) and she's safe. The bro is in a pickle.
I have the guilty pleasure of enjoying dune for it's honestly great politics. Manipulation and secrecy is the greatest power of control. By establishing yourself as a vital network in the bigger picture, you become too reliable to be ever questioned
Finally…. Someone else noticed this HUGE inconsistency with the Dune Universe. The early appearance of face dancers (and as an acolyte no less). Really disappointing show. The next thing will be an early Kwisatz Haderach in the extreamly early first Harkonen-Atreides human (Paul should be the first one). They take everything that they thought could be a twist (from the entire Dune Universe) and incorporated it one season. That’s just bad writing.
Frank Herbert will be astounded not by AI - ChatGPT and stuff, cuz he already seen it from his "spiceLSD" vision, but he be damned to see his universe becoming Dallas drama series...lol
19:47 I only watched the movies and the show but having a person transform into a giant sandworm seems like it would feel very out of place in this live action universe. For everyone that read the books, do you think this is something that can translate to live action?
14:47 Gholas are not "reanimated flesh", but clones produced from genetic material of cadavers. They are created from cells. To say they are "reanimated flesh" suggests they are resuscitated cadavers. The Thleilaxu's gholas eventually became able to remember their "genetic memories", meaning they became their "genetic donors" again, able to remember even the moment of their deaths. But the first one able to do that would be Duncan Idaho, millennia later!
The first Duncan Idaho ghola, Hayt, was grown from the repaired corpse of the first Duncan. Then yes, later Duncan's and eventually people like Miles Teg were grown from only a few mere cells.
The "ultimate enemy" for whom Desmond Hart is working (the hooded figure in that scene could turn out to be Vorian Atreides! It would be a disaster to lore respect, because Vor is the one true good guy in the story, and would never use the thinking machines, specially to deliberately assassinate children and women.
I keep seeing a lot of folks hoping it's Vorian, but I think that would be such a change from his pacifist demeanor by the end of the prequel trilogies.
The show is "inspired by" Sisterhood of Dune and the rest of the Schools Trilogy. The events of Prophecy flashback to moments from the books, but the show takes place roughly 30 years after Navigators of Dune.
You really gave a convoluted answer to the static tech issue, but there’s an easier answer. The technology of the Dune universe is required to be essentially static for 10,000 years because without the Dune-specific tech it’s not really Dune. At least not from the audience point of view. It’s basically a writer’s restriction.
i am so confused pls can someone explain to me the following, when did humanity discover spice and start mutating? did they have it before jihad? did they have space travel in jihad times with thinking machines? after jihad how did they reach dune without machines? the show is roughly 150 years after jihad but how come they already have guild navigators? they mutated in 150 years? nothing makes sense....
In Brian Herbert's books, the beneficial effects of spice were discovered during the Butlerian Jihad. Humans had FTL ships before the Jihad and had already spread throughout the known universe, but it was still a slow method to travel through space. Norma Cenva developed the Holtzman effect to fold space during the Butlerian Jihad and at the same time discovered that spice could grant her prescience to chart safe pathways to navigate ships that used Holtzman engines. She quickly trained Navigators and transformed their bodies with massive amounts of spice. The Spacing Guild was officially formed about 30 years before this show.
10,000 years is a bit much, never read the book, but I like what heard though, I will give it a read, but 2000-4000 years at most could have done the same thing lol.
only theme no one has ever touched on very well from books. human mutations in that 10k years. you missed the most messed up part of the benetleilax society. think they will adapt that? what the axolotl tanks are made out of? i can see why you dance around the subject.
@@thatmattcaronguy i just figured it was a dont piss the you tube algo off. saying that on video might get it demonetized maby? considering the political climate i thought writers would just skip it and make something else up. tlielax are suppose to be an allegory for masogeny in a highly religios society.
Good introduction, but (3:40) Spice is not the only drug used to enhance human abilities. Herbert just retconed that in God Emperor, because he fell in love with this Jesuit water supply politics. At 20:50 you are quoting incorrectly. Leto says explicitly in the God Emperor that humanity shall not fear the return of the machines through the Ixians. The future he tries to prevent is not the coming back of thinking machines, but more a social problem emerging from the expansion of humanity throughout the universe. That the machines would come back, is an idea from Brian Herbert. Another adaptation from Brian is the total lack of religious psychology and spirituality in the Bene Gesserit. It was explained by Frank Herbert when the Lady Jessica trained Prince Farad'n in the third book of the orinal trilogy. From this psychological informed spirituality comes the litany against fear; not from any struggle with a virus. It is a shame, that Brian destroyed the realistic projection of the spiritual movements, which Frank encountered in the US when writing his books, into his science fiction. Brian made something completely unintelligible out of the sisterhood, which has nothing to do with our society today. This was not what Frank tried to tell us.
Thanks, but since this show is rooted in the continuity from Brian's books, I felt I needed to explain these elements within the context of what we see in the show and during this point in Dune's timeline. I also don't want to spoil too much of the Golden Path for those who haven't read that far. But in the near future, I hope to put together a more pedantic exploration of the Golden Path, the Scattering, and what Frank's potential seventh book could have been.
I tuned out in the first episode when someone asked what "the voice" was and she said "oh that's something i cam up with." Beyond stupid. Dune's Ring of Power level stupid. JJ Abrams level stupid.
Herbert imagined humans in Dune as having evolved abilities of our current-day abilities. Our bodies constantly fight infections, process toxins, and produce antibodies. We also used the Voice in normal every day interactions. I just avoid calling them "superpowers" so as not to be reductive.
@ yea I understand how it seems justified, the problem is that we don’t do any of that. Our bodies produce antibodies and other things as a product of their function and that’s not something we’re gonna change by just willing it. You’re also never going to be able to physically control someone with your voice. Sure there’s the power of suggestion, but that all it is a suggestion. Any hypnotist will tell you it’s impossible to hypnotize someone that doesn’t want to be. In the end I just find it funny that some people refuse to admit that there are superpowers, despite their clear and prevalent existence, because it just doesn’t feel good.
It is literally the same 10,000 years, same houses, same problems with Arrakis etc. The voice and reverend mothers are already developed. It's quite the mess and completely unbelievable that the Empire could stand for 10,000 years but not have solved the problem of spice flow. This is bad writing on top of bad writing. I was hoping for a serious series about the rise of space witches who believe not being able to control your emotions makes you not even human. What I got was a bunch of nattering emotional fools.
But that's the point. Without AI they (the known universe) are stagnant. Spice took the place of technology so they could have space travel. They didn't need computers for space travel. Just mutated navigators from spice. They stayed the same for 10,000 years. There was such a division in classes, the houses had no need for change. They liked what they had. They WANTED it to stay the same. What the warning is, beware of charismatic leaders. They aren't what they seem to be. Look at Javicco. He thought he ruled. What a joke. And the Bene Gesserit? They think they can control things, but they really can't. It's just an illusion to them. Look at how much Valya lost control. It was one big chaotic mess.
@@noeaeni1000 its quite funny how these people make an effort to comments on a series they apparently dislike. I mean, we already know the show has a lot of issues after 6 episodes. It's not like we don't already know some of the issues in earlier episodes. Some of us just choose to ignore the bad and focus on the good. Why are they still here to complain after 6 episodes lol?
@@Hey-America Valya will more likely than not be dead in the end. Natalya will realize that she cannot rule the Imperium because the great houses will not follow her. She will give Constantine the throne.
@@dominiccastro6483 youre still jumping the gun. Obviously Constantine is next in line to the throne but will the entire dune prophecy end with constantine ruling? Who’s to say.
You show a deep understanding of the Dune world. More than most UA-cam channels.
Quinns Ideas is another good channel for in depth dune info.
having a deep understanding of something that does not exist is not a compliment.
@@nicokarsen6131 chill mentat go drink some sapho juice :D
I will never bow to you Valia Harokonnen !!!!! ❤
I just wanted to say how much I love how well you guys are able to put things into context. It's super rare to find such a deep dive in a recap. Congrats to the team! As a fan of Dune for over 30 years, this is seriously satisfying, because it's always been hard to talk about this stuff with non-fans. Thanks!
Thanks for watching and glad you enjoyed!
That is how bad this show was. If you need context it is not a good story.
@@nicokarsen6131 While I wouldn't call it bad, and many shows require a few seasons to truly find their footing, I felt the writing didn't always fully live up to the show's exceptional cinematography, world-building, and the inherent strength of its core story.
All UA-cam videos about shows should have a Bene Gesserit screaming at you to STOOOOOP before spoilers.
Excellent recap and vulgarisation of the Duniverse! I love your interpretation of the Prophecy series and what might come next.
(Huge fan of the Bene Gesserit)
Good to see ol Ragnar Lothbrok again
Taking over every scene he's in as usual 🔥
@emory4641 guy is captivating.. lmao
Bro I knew he looked familiar couldn’t put my finger on it until seeing this!!
@lovezuuu yessir!
@@lovezuuu he played the same character in raised by wolves (also from HBO) but on steroids...this is like the dime storer version. weird to see him do a bootleg version of his own work.
The cloaked figure watching Desmond being altered by the machine might be Vorian Atreides who himself was altered by machines to prolong his life. Early season 2 theory: Vorian is revealed as the real antagonist of the series.
Yes, this makes total sense within the series narrative.
I'm not sure if I'd believe Vorians motivations to do this based on the last time we saw him in the books, but could be an interesting twist if season 2 can justify it!
@@thatmattcaronguy he could be sort of trying to counter Valiya from the shadows bc he doesn’t want her to think he’s alive. He has a love for humanity and has some mixed feelings on whether or not he should have taken the throne when he realizes how inept the Corinos are. It could work well if they do it right.
We can get the story of the early Fremen that we got a bit of in the prequel books.
I believe it to be a Tleilaxu Master. The Tleilaxu have both Desmond and Theo getting the Imperium in a pincer move in S2.
So elegantly said! Well done!
Excellent analysis! One of the best posted online! The ending of season one was foreshadowed several times. First, Desmund was not afraid of, or surprised by, or even nervous around the thinking machine lizard in episode one's betrothal scene. Instead, Desmund quickly stabs the lizard quite easily as if he knew how it would move or if he had done that before.... but curiously he does not destroy it. Later, Desmund gives a blue ball of "forbidden technology" to the Baron Harkonen even though he loudly preached against that technology many times. Finally, Desmund was clearly manipulating/controlling the emperor ...even though he had just magically appeared out of nowhere. Desmund complained that the sisters were controlling the emperor, but he was doing the same thing, and exactly what the empress was trying to do. The irony is rich. Finally, it appears that Valya's nephew has been plotting to backstab her for quite some time. It is not beyond logic that the Baron Harkonen has been working with thinking machines for some time... and he could be the figure that Desmund saw while the thinking machines operated on him. The only other human ruthless enough to do such a thing to another human with a thinking machine would be the Bene Tleilax (assuming the figure that Desmund saw watching his eye operation is human). Who else could it be? None of the other human characters we have been introduced to so far in the TV series make sense. This series keeps us in suspense!
Dude this was a fantastic explanation. Can’t wait for s2 and more dune!
Having read just about all the Dune books, this was pretty much my suspicion about where the show was going. Very nice summary and tie in to all the source material.
It's nice to hear from someone who actually read the books too...
One thing I notice a lot of Dune readers miss about this story is the Fremen being under persecution is the reason the galactic jihad takes place. That is why I agree with Stilgar so much. The true Tyrant was never Paul it was the Lansrad. Paul and the Fremen are a reaction or anti-body to the Tyranny of that age that extended to Leto to repair the galaxy.
My reading (and it's been a while) was that Dune was arguing that the cycle of tyranny and emancipation of humans by humans was part of the ebb and flow of the species, but that the tyranny of humans by machines was the real threat.
I know Frank said multiple times that the stories were about warning people to not trust heroes or charismatic leaders. It just didn't strike me as particularly optimistic about humanity's capabilities of acting on those warnings on a scale that matters.
@@kayvee256 And Frank CHANGED HIS MIND getting older. At the beginning, Paul was coward for refusing to become the tyrant that would free humanity from stagnation. But getting older, his REAL life politics started (sadly) to influence his opinion on his work of fiction. In modern language we would say "he turned woke" just like Arnold Schwarzenegger who made a 180 degree turn from the tough manly courageous guy he was in the past, to the pussy coward and sell out he became as an old man.
@@kayvee256 His view of humanity is correct. We can be terrible creatures, yet a small amount of us have great qualities. That is why his work remains a great conversation to have during any time. Governments make decisions that trap the majority of us in a never ending cycle of conflict over natural resources. Oil for example or other minerals. The extraction of these resources relies on exploitation of many indigenous people. Those people rebel leading to the never ending cycle of conflict. Humanity must break the cycle of exploitation and greed just as the conflict over spice created creates war and instability
Great explanation, thank you!
You guys gave us great videos looked forward to watching each week
Your Dune knowledge and enthusiasm for the books is like finding a lush oasis sietch in an endless desert.
23:07 I watched the whole video just for this. not disappointed 😂❤
As written!
_"Missionaria Protectiva"_ wasn't exclusive to Arrakis, it was seeds of supersition that BG sowed in primitive planets (all they could) in case one day they needed to seek refuge, so they could blend in the crowd and even get the upper hand (be treated like deities, or at the very least with reverence solemly because of their BG ways).
EDIT: I absolutely would love to see Vorian show up. He is my favorite characters from the Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson books (from Frank Herbert's Miles Teg is my favorite, closely followed by Leto II).
Correct, but I'm wondering if we could see the first time the MP reaches Arrakis. But it also doesn't look like the MP is one of the Sisterhood's most powerful tools yet.
Excellent video, thanks!
great summary thanks. I was a bit surprised Francesca died by poison, after all BG should be able to deal with it... your take on that?
Great question! I'm going to assume (since this is technically the first time we've seen someone killed with meta-cyanide (I'm pretty sure?)) that the poison acts so quickly that even a Reverend Mother may not have the time to process an antidote. Thematically however, Francesca was in a moment of grief at the loss of Javicco and since the Gom Jabbar "only kills animals," one could argue that Francesca was giving into her animalistic emotions at the time rather than her heightened sense of awareness that a Sister would normally maintain.
@@thatmattcaronguy thanks for the explanation!
Things would slow down if they all went in to stasis for 4 billion years like the Transformers
Wow you are good i hand watched the show, now i will
Ep 6 totally delivered.
I am VERY new to Dune and just finished the Series... I can't express enough how much I enjoyed it despite not knowing much about the Dune world, I am just appreciative there is a Dune world - I loved GOT until it started to suck bad (IMO) so I am hopeful Dune can maintain what I consider high quality.
The movies and the series did attracted me to the colossal work of Frank Herbert. So, I'm far from a specialist about this saga, but just for spicing up neophytes' curiosity, these new productions won their bets.
I mean... In more immediate terms, Empress Natalya could be the tyrant. She wants to destroy the Sisterhood. I don't think she would allow Constantine be the Emperor. She hated his mother.
Lila becoming the reason Bene Gesserits kill abominations on sight is sad, but it makes sense.
CAN'T WAIT FOR SEASON 2!
8:03 Let's remember that most of the body parts supplied by the Thleilaxu were not produced in Axlotl tanks, but were taken from slaves. That was a secret of the Thleilaxu, known by few outsiders, like the corrupt Iblis Ginjo (the Grand Patriarch of the Holy Jihad), and was later discovered by Xavier Harkonnen, who sacrificed himself and his Family Name to eliminate Iblis Ginjo. The Thleilaxu lied that all those body parts were produced in Axlotl tanks to hide the horror of what they were doing. Very few knew that Xavier Harkonnen had sacrificed his life and legacy and honour to eliminate a traitor, like Vorian Atreides, because it was established that this truth could end the Jihad, and the Thinking Machines had not been defeated yet.
I'll have time in another video to get into more of the specific details like this
Love the show and can’t wait for season 2! Need to read the books too!
I love the show!! It’s so well made!!
Is the hooded figure perhaps Vorian? He was set up as Valya's true nemesis. Many thanks for this awesome video!
I just replied to another comment thinking it could be Vorian as well, but I think his character is more of a pacifist by this point in the timeline, so I'm not sure he would be behind such a violent weapon like Desmond
Awsome analysis! A side note: isn't Constantine done? His parents are dead, his mother will be a prime suspect, th Emperess hates him, Hart hates him, substitute Princess is a question mark. He has zero allys. I thought he'll become more serious player, but his prospects are currently non-existant. Or did I miss anything?
At this point, I think Natalya would only rule as Regent, that is if she doesn't break the coalition her marriage forged. And based on the patriarchal structures of the Imperium, I think most people would accept Constantine since he is of Corrino blood.
@@thatmattcaronguy Hmmm... He wasn't shown to have any raport with the nobles (galavanting din't do him any favors) and his character just started evolving. I'm not so optimistic and I have a soft spot for him since his own mom told him his 'only purpose'. He even accepted it. The princess is sympathetic too (headstrong, entitled, yes...but she does have a moral compass) and she's safe. The bro is in a pickle.
I have the guilty pleasure of enjoying dune for it's honestly great politics. Manipulation and secrecy is the greatest power of control. By establishing yourself as a vital network in the bigger picture, you become too reliable to be ever questioned
I really enjoyed this show, but I definitely feel like I'm missing out on some things due to not having a full Dune heritage chart handy.
Love the show so far, BUT none of the reverend mothers should remember past lives after conception. You figure out what that means.
Finally…. Someone else noticed this HUGE inconsistency with the Dune Universe. The early appearance of face dancers (and as an acolyte no less). Really disappointing show. The next thing will be an early Kwisatz Haderach in the extreamly early first Harkonen-Atreides human (Paul should be the first one). They take everything that they thought could be a twist (from the entire Dune Universe) and incorporated it one season. That’s just bad writing.
@@moralespozo Ya, these seem to be trying to recreate what has already been written, way out of context or accuracy.
Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out how this works, but it may have just been come creative liberties within the show
In the extended Dune universe, House Atreides, Leto and emperor Corino are "cousins". Could that be from the Ynez and Keiran
Frank Herbert will be astounded not by AI - ChatGPT and stuff, cuz he already seen it from his "spiceLSD" vision, but he be damned to see his universe becoming Dallas drama series...lol
19:47 I only watched the movies and the show but having a person transform into a giant sandworm seems like it would feel very out of place in this live action universe. For everyone that read the books, do you think this is something that can translate to live action?
I think anything is possible to adapt with the right tone and style. The past, present, and future of Dune is always up for interpretation.
14:47 Gholas are not "reanimated flesh", but clones produced from genetic material of cadavers. They are created from cells. To say they are "reanimated flesh" suggests they are resuscitated cadavers. The Thleilaxu's gholas eventually became able to remember their "genetic memories", meaning they became their "genetic donors" again, able to remember even the moment of their deaths. But the first one able to do that would be Duncan Idaho, millennia later!
The first Duncan Idaho ghola, Hayt, was grown from the repaired corpse of the first Duncan. Then yes, later Duncan's and eventually people like Miles Teg were grown from only a few mere cells.
DUNE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But HOW does he do it from all the way across the known universe?
Umm, magic computers?
My go to place for DUNE lore
The "ultimate enemy" for whom Desmond Hart is working (the hooded figure in that scene could turn out to be Vorian Atreides! It would be a disaster to lore respect, because Vor is the one true good guy in the story, and would never use the thinking machines, specially to deliberately assassinate children and women.
I keep seeing a lot of folks hoping it's Vorian, but I think that would be such a change from his pacifist demeanor by the end of the prequel trilogies.
@@thatmattcaronguy Yes, Vorian Atreides is the best character of the prequels (Legends of Dune and Great Schools of Dune)!
All the events that happen in this series take place in 4 days.
Wonderful
is season 1 good?
Season 2 has been confirmed
KING RAGNAR😮
So is the show exactly taken from the book "Sisterhood of Dune" or is it an adaptation of the 3 Herbert Jr Dune books?
The show is "inspired by" Sisterhood of Dune and the rest of the Schools Trilogy. The events of Prophecy flashback to moments from the books, but the show takes place roughly 30 years after Navigators of Dune.
You really gave a convoluted answer to the static tech issue, but there’s an easier answer. The technology of the Dune universe is required to be essentially static for 10,000 years because without the Dune-specific tech it’s not really Dune. At least not from the audience point of view. It’s basically a writer’s restriction.
Another youtuber speculated the worm eating Des is a false memory
10,000 years ago, humans hadn’t traveled past the moon-and, believe it or not, that’s still true today. Progress, huh?
Yeah but a human made object Voyager crossed the whole asss solar system.. I would call it a great progress.
Trolls be trolling
@@lakshya56481 not vicariously
@@danieltallon4316 just giving a little 'food for thought'... I could say, 'Couch potatoes have stagnated for 10K years; it's the execution that has.
Alleged aliens are those humans that left earth 15-20k years ago.
i am so confused pls can someone explain to me the following,
when did humanity discover spice and start mutating?
did they have it before jihad?
did they have space travel in jihad times with thinking machines? after jihad how did they reach dune without machines?
the show is roughly 150 years after jihad but how come they already have guild navigators? they mutated in 150 years?
nothing makes sense....
In Brian Herbert's books, the beneficial effects of spice were discovered during the Butlerian Jihad. Humans had FTL ships before the Jihad and had already spread throughout the known universe, but it was still a slow method to travel through space. Norma Cenva developed the Holtzman effect to fold space during the Butlerian Jihad and at the same time discovered that spice could grant her prescience to chart safe pathways to navigate ships that used Holtzman engines. She quickly trained Navigators and transformed their bodies with massive amounts of spice. The Spacing Guild was officially formed about 30 years before this show.
i know why so many hate the prequels, but ive been waiting for years to see Omnious on screen. Another let down
10,000 years is a bit much, never read the book, but I like what heard though, I will give it a read, but 2000-4000 years at most could have done the same thing lol.
If anything I say gets someone to read Dune, then that's a win in my book
only theme no one has ever touched on very well from books. human mutations in that 10k years. you missed the most messed up part of the benetleilax society. think they will adapt that? what the axolotl tanks are made out of? i can see why you dance around the subject.
I don't want to spoil TOO much
@@thatmattcaronguy i just figured it was a dont piss the you tube algo off. saying that on video might get it demonetized maby? considering the political climate i thought writers would just skip it and make something else up. tlielax are suppose to be an allegory for masogeny in a highly religios society.
Good introduction, but (3:40) Spice is not the only drug used to enhance human abilities. Herbert just retconed that in God Emperor, because he fell in love with this Jesuit water supply politics.
At 20:50 you are quoting incorrectly. Leto says explicitly in the God Emperor that humanity shall not fear the return of the machines through the Ixians. The future he tries to prevent is not the coming back of thinking machines, but more a social problem emerging from the expansion of humanity throughout the universe.
That the machines would come back, is an idea from Brian Herbert. Another adaptation from Brian is the total lack of religious psychology and spirituality in the Bene Gesserit. It was explained by Frank Herbert when the Lady Jessica trained Prince Farad'n in the third book of the orinal trilogy. From this psychological informed spirituality comes the litany against fear; not from any struggle with a virus. It is a shame, that Brian destroyed the realistic projection of the spiritual movements, which Frank encountered in the US when writing his books, into his science fiction. Brian made something completely unintelligible out of the sisterhood, which has nothing to do with our society today. This was not what Frank tried to tell us.
Thanks, but since this show is rooted in the continuity from Brian's books, I felt I needed to explain these elements within the context of what we see in the show and during this point in Dune's timeline. I also don't want to spoil too much of the Golden Path for those who haven't read that far. But in the near future, I hope to put together a more pedantic exploration of the Golden Path, the Scattering, and what Frank's potential seventh book could have been.
I tuned out in the first episode when someone asked what "the voice" was and she said "oh that's something i cam up with." Beyond stupid. Dune's Ring of Power level stupid. JJ Abrams level stupid.
If its not written by Frank i don't consider it official Dune. I don't care much for the "son's" interpretation of the father's work.
If this is Brian herberts dune, im really glad I did not read his books
It's HORRIBLE a season has only 6 episodes, When in the past a season was from 25 to 45 episodes a year. We are regressing.
Saying that Dune, the series where people can just turn poison inert and control people with their voices, has no superpowers is kinda ridiculous.
Herbert imagined humans in Dune as having evolved abilities of our current-day abilities. Our bodies constantly fight infections, process toxins, and produce antibodies. We also used the Voice in normal every day interactions. I just avoid calling them "superpowers" so as not to be reductive.
@ yea I understand how it seems justified, the problem is that we don’t do any of that. Our bodies produce antibodies and other things as a product of their function and that’s not something we’re gonna change by just willing it. You’re also never going to be able to physically control someone with your voice. Sure there’s the power of suggestion, but that all it is a suggestion. Any hypnotist will tell you it’s impossible to hypnotize someone that doesn’t want to be. In the end I just find it funny that some people refuse to admit that there are superpowers, despite their clear and prevalent existence, because it just doesn’t feel good.
dune is what you get when a hippy writes a scifi war book
It is literally the same 10,000 years, same houses, same problems with Arrakis etc. The voice and reverend mothers are already developed. It's quite the mess and completely unbelievable that the Empire could stand for 10,000 years but not have solved the problem of spice flow. This is bad writing on top of bad writing.
I was hoping for a serious series about the rise of space witches who believe not being able to control your emotions makes you not even human. What I got was a bunch of nattering emotional fools.
But that's the point. Without AI they (the known universe) are stagnant. Spice took the place of technology so they could have space travel. They didn't need computers for space travel. Just mutated navigators from spice. They stayed the same for 10,000 years. There was such a division in classes, the houses had no need for change. They liked what they had. They WANTED it to stay the same. What the warning is, beware of charismatic leaders. They aren't what they seem to be. Look at Javicco. He thought he ruled. What a joke. And the Bene Gesserit? They think they can control things, but they really can't. It's just an illusion to them. Look at how much Valya lost control. It was one big chaotic mess.
Which is what the IP is all about. Being human. Duh. Perfect characters make for milktoast shows.
@@noeaeni1000 its quite funny how these people make an effort to comments on a series they apparently dislike. I mean, we already know the show has a lot of issues after 6 episodes. It's not like we don't already know some of the issues in earlier episodes. Some of us just choose to ignore the bad and focus on the good. Why are they still here to complain after 6 episodes lol?
One of the lessons from Dune books is about stagnation
It's a world of stagnation by design. That's kind of the point.
Dune P wasn’t all that bad for a CW show.
I loved the two Dune movies. I thought they were awesome but there’s no way I’m gonna watch some DEI SJW show
Show is traaaasaash
Factz
Constantine will be Emperor in the end. It's the only thing that makes sense.
I don’t think Empress Natalya would allow this, specially because Valya it will win in the end.
‘Only thing that makes sense’ is a rather bold statement.
@@Hey-America Valya will more likely than not be dead in the end. Natalya will realize that she cannot rule the Imperium because the great houses will not follow her. She will give Constantine the throne.
@@noeaeni1000 Inez 100% will never be Empress because if she became Empress none of what takes place in the Dune books would happen.
@@dominiccastro6483 youre still jumping the gun. Obviously Constantine is next in line to the throne but will the entire dune prophecy end with constantine ruling? Who’s to say.