That's driving me crazy too! A personal shield saves him without a scratch from a firey explosion, and now this. He seems to have Wolverines's healing abilities!
Best reviews of an overall enjoyable season to watch. There are small details like the “elite” soldiers of the Imperium feeling like SW Stormtroopers. There are bigger problems like trying to cover too much with too time. Hopefully they can sort this out and make the next season 10 episodes with 60 minute run times.
George Lucas took a lot from Dune which came first. So yes, stormtroopers are similar to Sardaukar. Agree that more episodes would serve the story better.
@@daniellep7197 what I meant by comparing these “elite” soldiers to SW Stormtroopers was that they were both laughably incompetent. No way these guys are anything close to Sardaukar.
Amazing casting of young Valya played by Jessica Barden! Also, I looked up Olivia Williams (Tula) on IMDb, and, among other roles, she was Bruce Willis's wife in "The Sixth Sense." More recently, she was in "The Crown" as Camilla Parker Bowles. I agree that this last episode was the best.
The series did its job pretty well, but I expect even better going into season 2. And those Sardaukar hoods would limit peripheral visibility, however inexpensive.
My money is on Sister Avila as being the shadowy figure looming of Desmond’s operation. She’s the only surviving member of murdered Dorotea sect. Although subservient, she’s displayed on more than one occasion of not agreeing with the actions and decisions of the Harkonnen sisters. And she encouraged the destruction of the genetic computer/AI.
I too have the feeling that Sister Avila is gonna be important in the future, that's why she's been there all this time. The showrunners have focused on her reactions, foreshadowed things, the actress is too good to use as an NPC, and her character is too interesting to just leave it in the background.
This is a really good theory.. she found out who Desmond was before anybody else and made sure to do the experiment on him that turned him into the thing to destroy what she (or the group she’s with) thinks is destroying the empire
He got hit more than once with a reality and logic bomb. Me. I love the actor, however he played the most powerful simp in their galaxy. She said and I quote “you don’t matter” 😂
how did lila/dorotea find out where the bodies of her disciples were? the carnage happened after her death, so she couldn't possibly know about the event, from record she knew what there are no traces of her girls, still i liked the season, wish it would be as dynamic as the last episode, first part dragged a bit gonna miss poor javicco
Maybe the ancestors communicate? Is Dorotea the grandmother or mother of Lila? If she's the mother then it won't make sense. If she's the grandmother then maybe they can communicate slightly about key events which are emotionally attached to the psyche perhaps? This in itself is fine but what I don't understand is why that hole with water existed in the first place? Why was that hole never drained before? Won't the bodies stink up the water or cause bacteria to form in the water causing suspicion? And why wasn't the drainage pipe system not better protected? Why was the door to Anirul so easily broken into by Lila? Why was this so well hidden till now when it was just one step away from the main entrance? How did no one find out about the sisters dumping bodies into the water hole?
Good question. My three best guesses: (a) plot hole, (b) Lila's mother, who hasn't been revealed, somehow found out, or (c) Other Memories aren't necessarily limited to the lifetimes of those ancestors, and may be somewhat more omniscient.
I also thought it was weird that on one moment she doesn't know that her disciples are even gone, and on the next she knows exactly where their bones are.
Travis Fimmel mentioned that there were originally going to be more scripts but the strike ultimately required them to condense it into 6 so in that respect it definitely felt a little packed. I’m reluctantly engaged enough to see what they do in S2, and am curious how the writers might improve the show when given more breathing room.
@@zsbacskai7331The first episode was a lot of setup, but I think a lot happened overall. I feel like people just wanted action, and without action, to them, nothing is happening.
I think that that is the point. All the characters are grey and whilst Valya is utterly ruthless her motivations appear to be grey. So whatever her plan is on Arrakis, she obviously succeeds because the "Sisterhood" becomes ever more powerful over the next 10,000 years.
My mother's the same way. She wants there to be definitive good guys and bad guys in conflicts, so she can root for the good guys agaisnt the bad guys. By contrast, I quite enjoy realistically flawed characters, antiheroes, shades of grey, etc. Whatever the setting, sometimes there just aren't really any good guys.
... and the reason thedosia face -changer (taking the place of the princess) plan "will no longer work"... is because ... the sword master also escaped and they wouldn't believe that? why couldnt theodosia just go up in suspension as Nez after Vayla took real Nez and the traitor swordsman?
It seems like this season set her up to be the one acolyte who will be skeptical of Dorotea's new order on Wallach IX. The rest seem ready to drink the Kool-Aid.
I felt that, as you mentioned, there was a lot of world-building in this season and nowhere near enough character development. On the other hand, how much can you actually develop a group of characters and a compelling story, in just six episodes? Is this to become the new standard, just make six episodes and call it a season?
Theory: Mother Superior Raquel is not actually dead. She is the hooded figure who implanted the virus in Desmond and is the ultimate puppet master. She is the one using thinking machines.
You all are not thinking like a series writer. The hooded figure in the vision is not any of the Titans or Ominous. That story line would be better served on the big screen as a prequel trilogy should "Messiah" be a homerun like the first two entries.
She's not a reverend mother so, she didn't master that skill. Maybe sister Nazir w/ her additional prana-bindu training could've transformed the poison too but generally speaking it's not a skill that all sisters have
Interesting question, one would think that she had a shot at it as it seemed to be a trait that was used for a number of important things (selection of the gender of a baby, etc … ).
Dune tv series is flying under the radar right now. The story telling and acting has been really good. Im so excited for this show moving forward. HBO just proved the point that LGBTQ does not have to be in every tv show they produce.
someone tell me how does lila/doreatea knows where the bodies are? This is the biggest plot hole in this show. Also how does lila/doreatea know how she died? Did doreatea give birth while killing herself?
It's a simple, basic tool invented thousands of years ago on Earth. Earth is part of the history in the Dune books, which were written after Frank Herbert's original book.
@@p-j-y-d Yes my friend, for real. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Dune and overall I really liked the show. That bar just looked like something I picked up at Home Depot to pry open the windows in my house. Do you for really think 10,000 years in the future they'd be waving one around?
It got 15 million viewers apparently. And producers base it on viewers. Considering that a lot of big shows like acolyte get review bombed and has poor viewership, this is a win for HBO. Even a mixed reviewed show like this is good enough.
I think she got caught in an unguarded state - she was upset that Javicco was dying and otherwise would have been more focused, heard the empress sneaking up behind her, and been ready to fight or fight the poison
For me, I couldn’t get past how Ines risked everything for her lover who was about to wipe out her mother and father. That’s such a weird character choice.
@ that’s a good point - Inez in general I could not latch on to as a character, even though she is meant to be so important. I think it is because of how she is written, including motivational inconsistencies like the one you are describing. There was that moment where she reveals how she just feels like a piece on the board being used in the game of power, and that coupled with her disgust at the way her parents are using the bashar to murder their opponents could explain it, but there still seems to be a gap there.
Besides from a production standpoint this entire show is a lazy attempt at shoehorning in 'origins' for recognisable ideas from Frank Herbert's works. The proto-Littany against fear in this final episode was the nail in the coffin for me. It's like they took aspects from the novels and worked backwards from there, rather than adapting an interesting and believable story.
With Mikaela gone, Kieran in custody, and Horace publicly executed at the Landsraad I'm not sure how much would remain once the Sisterhood was no longer manipulating them.
makes no sense why the face dancer changed to the princess ... i thought she was gonna lock herself up in the suspension rig.. she changed to her for no reason, nobody even saw it
The original plan was for her to take Ynez's place. When the princess insisted they free Kieran too, that plan was no longer viable. They didn't have a spare face dancer to take his place.
One confusing mess of an episode. Too many uninteresting characters with only schematic motivations. Like GoT, not a moral character in the whole lot. Bring back the machines.
yeah, this is a pretty looking, but narrative doomed execution of a shoehorned cannon, the amount of eye rolling i did during this episode hurt my sockets. the most obvious was the default throughout this whole season. it was nicely stylized scifi, which at no point did i believe it occured 10k years before DUNE, but the story itself, woof, so basic as to be insulting. i'll most likely tune in next season for the sets and fx alone, but ending the season on arakis, i mean, lmfao, cmon man.
Why waste your life on this? Just for the sets? Don’t you have anything better to do? Understand your worth. Don’t get me wrong, it wasn’t so bad really but not worth a second season imo
1. Women don't like science fiction. 2. Men love it but don't want to see a show dominated by women. Dune is more about the movies then this stupid series. I realize the witches have some imporatance but that is NOT why men watch the movies. Haven't the people in Hollywood figured this basic crap out yet. I tried to watch the first episode and it was simply boring and just "not cool" visually.
really dug the show as a whole, good to see they renewed it for s2
That would suggest that “they” have to justify the cliffhanger and WTF and gat damn!
Good job devs
Merry Christmas Pete.
I like how the sisterhood has weapons that kill in an instant except if it’s Desmond. He only gets a minor stomach wound.
That's driving me crazy too! A personal shield saves him without a scratch from a firey explosion, and now this. He seems to have Wolverines's healing abilities!
@@wyldekey He is an Atreides and an Harkonnen after all :)
Best reviews of an overall enjoyable season to watch.
There are small details like the “elite” soldiers of the Imperium feeling like SW Stormtroopers. There are bigger problems like trying to cover too much with too time.
Hopefully they can sort this out and make the next season 10 episodes with 60 minute run times.
George Lucas took a lot from Dune which came first. So yes, stormtroopers are similar to Sardaukar. Agree that more episodes would serve the story better.
they are still a new unit/company rn
@@daniellep7197 what I meant by comparing these “elite” soldiers to SW Stormtroopers was that they were both laughably incompetent. No way these guys are anything close to Sardaukar.
Amazing casting of young Valya played by Jessica Barden! Also, I looked up Olivia Williams (Tula) on IMDb, and, among other roles, she was Bruce Willis's wife in "The Sixth Sense." More recently, she was in "The Crown" as Camilla Parker Bowles. I agree that this last episode was the best.
This was def the best episode of the season! .. I know Doretea was done wrong, but I still don’t want her to win 😂
Hell ya been waiting on this all day.
Love your reviews
Pete is the best.
The series did its job pretty well, but I expect even better going into season 2. And those Sardaukar hoods would limit peripheral visibility, however inexpensive.
HBO pulled a rabbit out of hat last minute. Kudos for the writers who managed to keep interest going till the very end.
I am glad the show got renewed. I liked enough of it that I did want more. Especially since the ending was not as whole.
My money is on Sister Avila as being the shadowy figure looming of Desmond’s operation. She’s the only surviving member of murdered Dorotea sect. Although subservient, she’s displayed on more than one occasion of not agreeing with the actions and decisions of the Harkonnen sisters. And she encouraged the destruction of the genetic computer/AI.
I too have the feeling that Sister Avila is gonna be important in the future, that's why she's been there all this time. The showrunners have focused on her reactions, foreshadowed things, the actress is too good to use as an NPC, and her character is too interesting to just leave it in the background.
This is a really good theory.. she found out who Desmond was before anybody else and made sure to do the experiment on him that turned him into the thing to destroy what she (or the group she’s with) thinks is destroying the empire
No. Atradies (times 5)
Poor Javicco... dude got absolutely rekt!
really bad day
He got hit more than once with a reality and logic bomb. Me. I love the actor, however he played the most powerful simp in their galaxy.
She said and I quote “you don’t matter”
😂
Damn, they have to destroy the digital tree right before Christmas.
how did lila/dorotea find out where the bodies of her disciples were? the carnage happened after her death, so she couldn't possibly know about the event, from record she knew what there are no traces of her girls, still
i liked the season, wish it would be as dynamic as the last episode, first part dragged a bit
gonna miss poor javicco
Maybe the ancestors communicate? Is Dorotea the grandmother or mother of Lila? If she's the mother then it won't make sense. If she's the grandmother then maybe they can communicate slightly about key events which are emotionally attached to the psyche perhaps? This in itself is fine but what I don't understand is why that hole with water existed in the first place? Why was that hole never drained before? Won't the bodies stink up the water or cause bacteria to form in the water causing suspicion? And why wasn't the drainage pipe system not better protected? Why was the door to Anirul so easily broken into by Lila? Why was this so well hidden till now when it was just one step away from the main entrance? How did no one find out about the sisters dumping bodies into the water hole?
I mean where else would they be buried?
@@lilliebobson3146 Anywhere else? Makes very little sense.
Good question. My three best guesses: (a) plot hole, (b) Lila's mother, who hasn't been revealed, somehow found out, or (c) Other Memories aren't necessarily limited to the lifetimes of those ancestors, and may be somewhat more omniscient.
I also thought it was weird that on one moment she doesn't know that her disciples are even gone, and on the next she knows exactly where their bones are.
Im starting to think its the Guild that is the shadow player.
Travis Fimmel mentioned that there were originally going to be more scripts but the strike ultimately required them to condense it into 6 so in that respect it definitely felt a little packed. I’m reluctantly engaged enough to see what they do in S2, and am curious how the writers might improve the show when given more breathing room.
Interesting point about why there were so few episodes. But does that explain why the first two episodes were so …
@@zsbacskai7331The first episode was a lot of setup, but I think a lot happened overall. I feel like people just wanted action, and without action, to them, nothing is happening.
So who does the reckoning relate to, is it desmond or dorotea or this unknown person in the vision?
Thank you for you breakdowns of this really amazing show, you made it more interesting for me -- you should get paid by HBO :)
I wonder if the sisterhoods thinking machine somehow communicated with the other thinking machine
I just love Emily Watson, I'd love if Samantha Morton was cast as anyone on the show, they're look so much alike and are both bad ass actresses!
The thing I struggled with was finding someone to route for. I'm not sure who I'm supposed to want to do well
I think that that is the point. All the characters are grey and whilst Valya is utterly ruthless her motivations appear to be grey. So whatever her plan is on Arrakis, she obviously succeeds because the "Sisterhood" becomes ever more powerful over the next 10,000 years.
My mother's the same way. She wants there to be definitive good guys and bad guys in conflicts, so she can root for the good guys agaisnt the bad guys. By contrast, I quite enjoy realistically flawed characters, antiheroes, shades of grey, etc. Whatever the setting, sometimes there just aren't really any good guys.
@Hochspitz I wonder if this might be the origin of Missionaria Protectiva.
"The thing I struggled with was finding someone to route for."
route for or root for?
... and the reason thedosia face -changer (taking the place of the princess) plan "will no longer work"... is because ... the sword master also escaped and they wouldn't believe that?
why couldnt theodosia just go up in suspension as Nez after Vayla took real Nez and the traitor swordsman?
What about Sister Jen? What is her purpose? Does not seem she is intended only as a throwaway background character.
I think she is going to be some sort of mentat connection for the sisterhood.
It seems like this season set her up to be the one acolyte who will be skeptical of Dorotea's new order on Wallach IX. The rest seem ready to drink the Kool-Aid.
0:18 “Everyone sees them.” Is that the case? I thought that there was an exception which suggested that some people were not infected with the virus.
I enjoyed the journey as a whole, expanding the world of Dune. Let's see how it will all unfold in season 2!
The whole show is great, cant separated episodes , ya either enjoyed it or not aha, watched every episode like 4 times, not just certain ones...
thanks for the video
What a wondrous series, production, acting and payoff.I loved it ❤
Looking forward to next season. In the interum, I think I will read more of the prequel books.
This episode blew my mind! Freaking amazing
I liked this season finale too!
I think if the blue eyes would have turned out to be Leto II would have been more interesting than a machine.
Maybe. We have to remember that the Estate doesn't see the story ending with Chapterhouse.
So Leto II who lived several thousand years after the events in this season was the (obvious ) machine? How do you work that one out?
im waiting so long for that
I like this show
I felt that, as you mentioned, there was a lot of world-building in this season and nowhere near enough character development. On the other hand, how much can you actually develop a group of characters and a compelling story, in just six episodes? Is this to become the new standard, just make six episodes and call it a season?
Theory: Mother Superior Raquel is not actually dead. She is the hooded figure who implanted the virus in Desmond and is the ultimate puppet master. She is the one using thinking machines.
You all are not thinking like a series writer. The hooded figure in the vision is not any of the Titans or Ominous. That story line would be better served on the big screen as a prequel trilogy should "Messiah" be a homerun like the first two entries.
I don’t know maybe I missed it but how did the sisters get their powers
To me the blue eyes are still a foreshadowing of the god emperor
Minor miracle they pulled this off as well as they did.
Why the sister that got poisoned by the queen could heal herself?
She's not a reverend mother so, she didn't master that skill.
Maybe sister Nazir w/ her additional prana-bindu training could've transformed the poison too but generally speaking it's not a skill that all sisters have
Interesting question, one would think that she had a shot at it as it seemed to be a trait that was used for a number of important things (selection of the gender of a baby, etc … ).
Great show. Not for the weak minded.
The Frank Herbert Bene Gesserit would punish all these women for foolishness.
Best tv episode of anything in a long time. Haters are simply miserable if they can't enjoy this.
I would say Penguin finale and Shogun’s Crimson Sky were better if we are looking at the past year…but this was Dune: Prophecy’s best episode.
I love the Dune movies but this was entirely boring. I’m shocked others are enjoying this tbh.
The sisterhood switched sides for no apparent reason, not a good one at least
But HOW does he do it from all the way across the known universe?
Dune tv series is flying under the radar right now. The story telling and acting has been really good. Im so excited for this show moving forward. HBO just proved the point that LGBTQ does not have to be in every tv show they produce.
someone tell me how does lila/doreatea knows where the bodies are? This is the biggest plot hole in this show. Also how does lila/doreatea know how she died? Did doreatea give birth while killing herself?
Space magic...
How did Dorothea know about the skeletons in the pond? She wasn't alive when that happened.
She remembered her own death when she got to the well. I think that she deduced the rest?
I downloaded episode 6 from different sites and they uploaded episode 5 with the name of 6 😢
I loved it!
I also have followed PP on Bluesky!🙂
❤
That crowbar caught my eye too. Don't they have enough budget to come up with something less 20th century for that moment?
For real, the crowbar? Is that your argument for not enjoying this? Are you on a mission to be unhappy on purpose?
It's a simple, basic tool invented thousands of years ago on Earth. Earth is part of the history in the Dune books, which were written after Frank Herbert's original book.
@@p-j-y-d Yes my friend, for real. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Dune and overall I really liked the show. That bar just looked like something I picked up at Home Depot to pry open the windows in my house. Do you for really think 10,000 years in the future they'd be waving one around?
@@scahall100 Yes my friend, I really do :)
This show was only renewed to bolster the feature film receipts. It’s nepotism central over there.
It got 15 million viewers apparently. And producers base it on viewers. Considering that a lot of big shows like acolyte get review bombed and has poor viewership, this is a win for HBO. Even a mixed reviewed show like this is good enough.
The voice power reminds me of the similar power in Code Geass anime
Overall Dune Prophecy was OK-ish but some story parts were questionable. Shouldn't Francesca be able to fight the poison? She just dropped dead!
I think she got caught in an unguarded state - she was upset that Javicco was dying and otherwise would have been more focused, heard the empress sneaking up behind her, and been ready to fight or fight the poison
For me, I couldn’t get past how Ines risked everything for her lover who was about to wipe out her mother and father. That’s such a weird character choice.
@ that’s a good point - Inez in general I could not latch on to as a character, even though she is meant to be so important. I think it is because of how she is written, including motivational inconsistencies like the one you are describing. There was that moment where she reveals how she just feels like a piece on the board being used in the game of power, and that coupled with her disgust at the way her parents are using the bashar to murder their opponents could explain it, but there still seems to be a gap there.
Besides from a production standpoint this entire show is a lazy attempt at shoehorning in 'origins' for recognisable ideas from Frank Herbert's works. The proto-Littany against fear in this final episode was the nail in the coffin for me. It's like they took aspects from the novels and worked backwards from there, rather than adapting an interesting and believable story.
This show is more faithful than the movies. You and nerd cookies are delusional.
So, the rebels did what with the spice? They wanted to bring spice to the all commoners everywhere... right?
With Mikaela gone, Kieran in custody, and Horace publicly executed at the Landsraad I'm not sure how much would remain once the Sisterhood was no longer manipulating them.
makes no sense why the face dancer changed to the princess ... i thought she was gonna lock herself up in the suspension rig.. she changed to her for no reason, nobody even saw it
She changed because the original plan was a simple swap. They weren’t supposed to try to rescue both the prisoners, just the princess.
@@Mari0o0o yeah.. its still a swap, she could have just went up on the suspension thing still
The original plan was for her to take Ynez's place. When the princess insisted they free Kieran too, that plan was no longer viable. They didn't have a spare face dancer to take his place.
@@PetePeppers1 ok i get it now thanks, cause its suspicious if hes only one gone.. dam im too stupid for these shows
Shields are now useless in the Dune Universe.
One confusing mess of an episode.
Too many uninteresting characters with only schematic motivations.
Like GoT, not a moral character in the whole lot. Bring back the machines.
"Nota moral character in the whole lot". Welcome to the world of Frank Herbert.
@@joelhenry5489 I always felt Liet Kynes was a moral man who in his own way was seeking justice.
yeah, this is a pretty looking, but narrative doomed execution of a shoehorned cannon, the amount of eye rolling i did during this episode hurt my sockets. the most obvious was the default throughout this whole season. it was nicely stylized scifi, which at no point did i believe it occured 10k years before DUNE, but the story itself, woof, so basic as to be insulting. i'll most likely tune in next season for the sets and fx alone, but ending the season on arakis, i mean, lmfao, cmon man.
Agree, it's so dumb
Hater it was a good story
Why waste your life on this? Just for the sets? Don’t you have anything better to do? Understand your worth. Don’t get me wrong, it wasn’t so bad really but not worth a second season imo
@@mjw907 bot, it wasn't
I liked it, but felt like the writers bit off waaay more then they could chew
am i the only one that finds 'the voice' a bit cringeworthy? "take out your blade!!' (eugh)
This is one of the dumbest TV series I’ve ever seen just stick with the movie
This show absolutely sucks! Boring as hell!
1. Women don't like science fiction. 2. Men love it but don't want to see a show dominated by women. Dune is more about the movies then this stupid series. I realize the witches have some imporatance but that is NOT why men watch the movies. Haven't the people in Hollywood figured this basic crap out yet. I tried to watch the first episode and it was simply boring and just "not cool" visually.
You know the worst thing? I used to be a moron like you.
@@joelhenry5489 You must be a Harris supporter. lol
3rd
Im surprised it's getting a 2nd season. For sure it won't get 3rd
Why the surprise? I liked it more than the Foundation series on AppleTV
Valuable Trump is the absolute worst.
I mean Valya Harkonnen. Sorry.
first!
Super boring show. All of the characters are unbearable or miserable. The only one I liked was Lila in her alternate states.
Constantine will be Emperor in the end. It's the only thing that makes sense.
Agreed... and he will be a horrible emperor too just like his father.
@@davidsledge5206 He'd probably be a good Emperor