Delta A220 Rocket takeoff from John Wayne Orange County airport

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  • Опубліковано 20 лип 2024
  • If you have never taken off from SNA before its definitely different! There is a noise ordinance in place which makes planes level off after take off and fly over the river. Once over the ocean they can continue climb and bring the power back. Its definitely a different feeling but super cool!
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    00:00 Intro
    01:45 Takeoff
    02:12 Steep climb
    02:41 Leveling off
    04:10 Flaps-continue climb

КОМЕНТАРІ • 162

  • @NeutronRob
    @NeutronRob 2 роки тому +30

    "Shhh!! Be very quiet! We are flying over rich people's neighborhoods." A direct quote from one of the flight attendants on a Southwest departure during that "Rocket Ride" takeoff.

  • @geofflinder589
    @geofflinder589 3 роки тому +75

    It's always fun sitting next to a nervous passenger taking off from SNA. They get really nervous when they hear the engines rev down.

    • @SimMaster
      @SimMaster 2 роки тому +13

      Well yeah it's scary your first time. You wonder why it's so quiet and why it feels like you're dropping.

    • @ryanmoroso2681
      @ryanmoroso2681 2 роки тому +4

      @@SimMaster I love flying and I was even a bit nervous because I wasn’t expecting it.

  • @matt8863
    @matt8863 2 роки тому +4

    Oh yea SNA...A noise ordinance airport, don't wanna disrupt the snobby's below.

  • @cornbread1209
    @cornbread1209 3 роки тому +59

    I love the rocket take-offs from John Wayne Airport especially when there was only 11 people on board an Alaska Airlines MD-80 years ago!

    • @jmantravels
      @jmantravels  3 роки тому +6

      I miss those planes so much!

    • @charlesmccurry4161
      @charlesmccurry4161 3 роки тому +4

      That is called an Orange County Board of Supervisors "Noise Abatement takeoff".

  • @_w_w_
    @_w_w_ 3 роки тому +71

    SNA's take off path goes over super wealthy areas of Newport Beach, so they hold back after off the ground and quietly slips out to the oceans before they are allowed to rev up the engine again. If you have a funny captain, he/she may say "shh... we are flying over rich people, so we have to be quiet..."

    • @Formula1st
      @Formula1st Рік тому +1

      @@ChrisTopheRaz it’s not the airport’s fault, it sure why you would boycott the airport lol

    • @ChrisTopheRaz
      @ChrisTopheRaz Рік тому

      @@Formula1st because I would rather go to LAX. That’s where flights takeoff normally

    • @troo_story
      @troo_story Рік тому +2

      @@ChrisTopheRaz Really?? You guys would ACTUALLY go to another airport just because you think "rich" people (i.e. people who apparently have things you don't) dictate the airport policy? What a waste of your own time. 🤣

    • @troo_story
      @troo_story Рік тому +1

      @@ChrisTopheRaz and you're saying you won't fly out of OC again because of some reasons you have in your head about their "richness" which you're not able to articulate? Funniest thing I've read today. 🤣🤣

    • @thomasvaughan3135
      @thomasvaughan3135 Рік тому

      The GTF,'s have no such restrictions.

  • @ianoswald1605
    @ianoswald1605 3 роки тому +36

    I live about 8 miles from SNA directly under the most frequently used flight path. The sound of the P&W engines are very unique which must be due to the geared fans. Very much a mechanical whine as the engine speed changes. Before I retired I worked a lot with Bombardier on a new type of galley refrigeration mainly because the electrical generators are not operated at a constant speed so the frequency changes in line with the engine revolutions. Unfortunately I retired before before the C series entered commercial service so never got to fly in it. I wish it every success.

    • @sketchyAnalogies
      @sketchyAnalogies 3 роки тому

      That sounds like a challenging but fun problem to work on! I'm studying EE but working as a systems engineering intern for a large HVAC company.

    • @davidsmiley3774
      @davidsmiley3774 Рік тому

      I world and santa ana and have been wondering were that sound came from on those planes. I knew it was the engine but dint know how or the type

    • @j134679
      @j134679 3 місяці тому

      Delta uses it for their west coast flights from the SLC hub

  • @TheTTATravelers
    @TheTTATravelers 3 роки тому +14

    Love taking off from John Wayne, The rocket take off and the bit of a drop to level off is crazy fun! I miss visiting California and SNA. Thanks for the great footage.

  • @poker_18rs92
    @poker_18rs92 3 роки тому +9

    Views of that coastline never get old! Great engine view as well!

  • @jarvey1962
    @jarvey1962 Рік тому +2

    In nineteen eighty six we flew out of john wayne airport in a 737-300 and captain anounced the steeper take off and said engines will be pushed to 100%,i loved it!!!

  • @nard94
    @nard94 3 роки тому +12

    Very smooth and quiet take-off.

  • @BanditAviation
    @BanditAviation 2 місяці тому +1

    Beautiful humming engines.

  • @drewcanton235
    @drewcanton235 3 роки тому +6

    Love the sound of those Pratt & Whitney 1500's!!!

  • @matthewtownsend2368
    @matthewtownsend2368 5 місяців тому +1

    My grandparents live under that flight path. They bought the house in 1950.

  • @Nastafar
    @Nastafar 4 місяці тому +1

    I absolutely want to fly out of there for this E-Ticket rocket ride experience. Can’t wait!!

  • @ByronScottJones
    @ByronScottJones 3 роки тому +7

    Flying out of John Wayne is quite an experience. One of my favorite small airports.

  • @mmstrux
    @mmstrux 7 місяців тому +1

    We took off from there years ago right after they made the rule. I didn't really notice much difference other than leveling off sooner, which is fine with me.

  • @wingflex5367
    @wingflex5367 2 роки тому +1

    Brings back good memories. When I was a kid I would fly every summer from Idaho where I lived to visit my grandparents in Newport Beach. I always loved the steep SNA takeoffs. Was really fun when I got to takeoff in a UAL 757 from there.

  • @texasabbott
    @texasabbott 3 роки тому +5

    Superb clip! I'm glad you posted a video highlighting the A220's specialty: Easily launching from short runways!

  • @alexloza6092
    @alexloza6092 9 місяців тому +1

    The “Whale sound” of the A220’s engines are amazing at 1:36

  • @miker2859
    @miker2859 3 роки тому +6

    SNA Noise Abatement Procedure. Its mostly a pitch maneuver for the first 1,000 feet. Computer spits out 2 different pitch attitudes to fly. One for climb to 1,000 feet and the other for the level off as the engine cutback begins. No configuration changes till you clear the shore line or specific DME. Clean up and off you go after that.

  • @aljack1979
    @aljack1979 3 роки тому +27

    Steepest rate of climb that I remember from childhood is, 757 (with Rolls Royce RB211s) and MD 83.

    • @jmantravels
      @jmantravels  3 роки тому +3

      I was originally booked on a 757 to DTW but delta canceled that flight sadly so I had to take the A220

    • @longbeach7623
      @longbeach7623 3 роки тому +1

      Exactly what I was thinking. They are at the top of the class, as far as the takeoffs are concerned.

    • @jmantravels
      @jmantravels  3 роки тому +3

      @@longbeach7623 I've made it a mission to fly them as much as possible until they are all retired!

    • @christopherpericolosi-king4979
      @christopherpericolosi-king4979 2 роки тому +2

      When I was a flight attendant for American, the steepest climb (and the one aircraft I hated to fly) was the MD-83. Man that aircraft sucked for a flight attendant! Loud, too many people, and the cabin layout was irritating at best.

    • @olseric
      @olseric 2 роки тому

      Steepest I remember was on a NW DC-9 during a high wind advisory sustained at about 50mph…

  • @jamesclark6949
    @jamesclark6949 11 місяців тому +2

    anyone who has taken off from SNA knows that feeling of weightlessness when the plane levels off. Sometimes you will get an audible gasp from other passengers when who aren't expecting it.

  • @rjc1853
    @rjc1853 3 роки тому +8

    Those silent PW engines make me miss the 757 even more

    • @jmantravels
      @jmantravels  3 роки тому

      I fly Delta's 757 as often as possible!

    • @markar6395
      @markar6395 Рік тому

      We still have Icelandair flying 757s on this side of the Atlantic. Really miss them. Flew on so many since 1987

    • @j134679
      @j134679 3 місяці тому

      Delta still uses 757s to ATL from this airport

  • @hrajotte
    @hrajotte 2 роки тому +1

    I flew on a Delta A220 for the first time a couple months ago, from BOS to DFW and back. Nice, comfortable plane!

  • @Airtrooper719
    @Airtrooper719 3 роки тому +4

    What a beautiful view 😍

  • @Phobos_84
    @Phobos_84 Рік тому +3

    1:52 great engine sound of takeoff

  • @darrens.4322
    @darrens.4322 3 роки тому +14

    Glad Harrison Ford was not flying in while they were taxi/hold on runway. The reason for that dramatic noise abatement people are all the old cronies in Laguna and Newport Beach who don't like airplane noise from their multi-million dollar mansions. I say make NOISE, BE LOUD!

    • @DanknDerpyGamer
      @DanknDerpyGamer 2 роки тому

      Surprised, actually, that they had to use the noise abatement given how much quieter the A220's engines are compared to, well, any other commercial jet airliner that I know of, at least.

  • @jcaam8094
    @jcaam8094 3 роки тому +3

    Really nice footage.

  • @gilliantracy7991
    @gilliantracy7991 3 роки тому +2

    Beautiful!

  • @KevinBenskin
    @KevinBenskin 3 роки тому +4

    That spool up though 🔥🔥🔥

  • @csjames69
    @csjames69 3 роки тому +4

    Experienced that take off and levelling on an America West 737 a very long time ago. The pilot did warn us.

  • @zamorajohana
    @zamorajohana 2 місяці тому

    Amazing performing the shorter takeoff of the A220! 🤩🛩️🛫

    • @zamorajohana
      @zamorajohana 2 місяці тому

      Is the A220 older than the A320neo and the A350?

  • @lic2kil007
    @lic2kil007 3 роки тому +2

    Ahh yes John Wayne. Don't want to break that Noise Abatement over New Port Beach.

    • @jmantravels
      @jmantravels  3 роки тому +1

      I know, can you imagine?!? 🤣🤣

  • @paulwalker1443
    @paulwalker1443 3 роки тому +2

    Very swift indeed!

  • @teddytheyorkielowellpenner777
    @teddytheyorkielowellpenner777 3 роки тому +4

    Love the a220

    • @abdullaharif6455
      @abdullaharif6455 3 роки тому

      Me too! One of my favourite aircraft along with the A350! Unfortunately the A220 is still not popular here in Asia.

  • @DomoniqueMusiclover
    @DomoniqueMusiclover 3 роки тому +2

    AMAZING

  • @davequ
    @davequ Рік тому +1

    I used to fly in & out of John Wayne SNA a lot. Takeoff out of SNA is like a roller coaster ride.
    Once, right after takeoff, right when they throttle down the engines over Newport to quiet the noise and the plane is vulnerable, we had a bird strike. Something large and white whizzed beneath my window and hammered into the starboard engine. It was a large pelican. Luckily, it bounced off the engine housing, instead of getting sucked INTO the engine. Had that happened, I might not be typing this.

    • @goodshipkaraboudjan
      @goodshipkaraboudjan 11 місяців тому

      They'll fly fine on one engine. I had a nearly hit the wing strut of the 172 I was flying during initial climb out of YBSU while taking the girlfriend for a sight seeing flight. Not sure out of the three of us who got the bigger fright but to me a pelican has never looked bigger.

  • @rockerobertson4002
    @rockerobertson4002 3 роки тому +5

    Probably only 85-90% thrust too. Sweet airplane.

  • @zamorajohana
    @zamorajohana 2 місяці тому

    Some P&W, GE and RR engines are humming for spooling up the throttle.

  • @HDNYCAviation
    @HDNYCAviation 3 роки тому +4

    Fantastic stuff - Perfect view of the entire engine nacelle and the wing. Good luck on the channel keep it up! 5:18 would make a better thumbnail also

  • @wesclay6347
    @wesclay6347 3 роки тому +4

    I had been warned about the take off from Orange County.. Basically they lock the brakes put the engines to the wall. and release the brakes. Once you reach a certain altidue they idles the engines and you coast until you are clear of the residential areas.. It's wild I can tell you that..Thankfully the captain came on and told s exectly what was going on since this was going to be a very differnt take off..

    • @jmantravels
      @jmantravels  3 роки тому

      That's awesome!

    • @marcmcreynolds2827
      @marcmcreynolds2827 3 роки тому +2

      Well, not idle (which would cause the aircraft to lose altitude), but a noticeable thrust reduction anyway. Given that any Part 25 aircraft (most commercial airliners) can cruise around fine on one engine if the other one is lost, merely reducing the thrust some at 1500 ft on two good engines isn't a big deal. But it is kind of fun.
      The other thing for that departure, done at about the same time as the thrust reduction, is a slight change in heading to the left relative to the original runway heading. Probably not noticeable by most passengers, it sends the aircraft (along with the loudest part of its noise footprint) over the middle of Upper Newport Bay instead of houses.

  • @ChrisZoomER
    @ChrisZoomER 2 роки тому

    Nice takeoff with *no buzzsaw!* 🤩🤩🤩

    • @jmantravels
      @jmantravels  2 роки тому +1

      I know the A220 is crazy quiet!

    • @ChrisZoomER
      @ChrisZoomER 2 роки тому

      @@jmantravels Yes, I know I'm in a very small minority but I actually can't stand buzzsaw noise. I really like the constant thunder-like rumbling noise from the exhaust, that's my favorite. It's especially loud in the 777-300ER which sounds like and feels like a rocket launch during takeoff.

    • @jmantravels
      @jmantravels  2 роки тому +1

      @@ChrisZoomER hey to each their own, do what you love!

  • @CaptainStevenMarkovich
    @CaptainStevenMarkovich 3 роки тому +1

    Excellent 👍 subscribed

  • @BS-ib2ch
    @BS-ib2ch 3 роки тому

    Damn I need to fly out of here someday. My upcoming trip will be out of LAX.

    • @jmantravels
      @jmantravels  3 роки тому +3

      I honestly like LAX more simply for the widebody aircraft and the lounges 😂

  • @jamesmuro9286
    @jamesmuro9286 3 роки тому +2

    Those Pratt & Whitney engines are so quiet!

  • @jakepatchogue9478
    @jakepatchogue9478 10 місяців тому

    Excellent video. Do you use a suction cup mounted to the window? If so, which one? Thx

  • @aviationjunkie1
    @aviationjunkie1 Рік тому

    the a220 can take off really quickly if its half empty. the problem is when its a full plane with tons of bags

  • @Sacto1654
    @Sacto1654 3 роки тому +2

    But note how _quiet_ the A220 is, thanks to the PW1100G geared turbofan engines. As a result, this type of plane is well-suited for the type of noise-restricted airports like SNA.

    • @abdullaharif6455
      @abdullaharif6455 3 роки тому

      A220 has PW1500G.

    • @Sacto1654
      @Sacto1654 3 роки тому +1

      @@abdullaharif6455 The problem: Pratt & Whitney doesn't name their geared turbofans properly. 😒

  • @alantheaviator
    @alantheaviator 3 роки тому +1

    This is awesome, what camera did you use? Quality is on point!

    • @jmantravels
      @jmantravels  3 роки тому +2

      Thanks! I use the GoPro hero 8 black!

  • @overbank56
    @overbank56 3 роки тому

    Those engines are really quite

  • @matthewnisbet7354
    @matthewnisbet7354 3 роки тому +2

    Sad Airbus lover noises!!! Lol!!! 😂

  • @JoeyBlogs007
    @JoeyBlogs007 Рік тому +1

    Looks like a bit of rust on the wing above the engine mount. 😲😲😲

  • @marionpeebles3836
    @marionpeebles3836 3 роки тому

    My mother and I went to visit my brother for Thanksgiving about 7 years ago originally had LAX tickets and he made us change them over to John Wayne because it was easier for him to pick up which makes sense but then everyone started telling me about to takeoff from John Wayne and how scary it is and I’m not freaked out passenger not horribly but it still seems unnatural So Everyone’s telling me how scary these pick ups off I start looking on UA-cam and watching them in hearing about what it feels like and you’re being very prepared to be scared I couldn’t tell any difference because it was a great pilot or I feel that up a lot more in my head I mean I have to admit I have flooding literally the worst weather consistently I’ve told people if you’re scared of the weather I don’t get on the plane. And honestly that was probably some of the best weather ever flown in. LoL

  • @goldenstatedepartures
    @goldenstatedepartures 2 роки тому

    You'd think spooling back the engines on that plane would create more noise if it caused the whale song noise to happen over Newport Beach.

  • @yoshanetubetv5791
    @yoshanetubetv5791 2 роки тому +1

    Noise abatement is mandatory at this airport

  • @edsantaana8737
    @edsantaana8737 3 роки тому +2

    The first time I ever took off at John Wayne I though I was gonna die. No heads up from the pilot like they seem to always do now...

    • @jmantravels
      @jmantravels  3 роки тому

      We actually didn't get any heads up either which I found super odd! But I think it's because the A220 is so much quieter that things are a lot less dramatic. This is the only SNA departure I've taken so I don't have anything else to compare it to 🤷

    • @larrybradshaw908
      @larrybradshaw908 2 місяці тому

      SOMETIMES the pilots announce it in advance, not always. I fly out of SNA often.

  • @A.Matt7
    @A.Matt7 3 роки тому +2

    Idk why these engines need to be revved down. They're so quiet. Only on a v2500 they would need to throttle down

  • @RLTtizME
    @RLTtizME 3 роки тому

    Noise abatement. Pilots sometimes warn the passengers of steep climb-outs.

    • @jmantravels
      @jmantravels  3 роки тому

      No warning this time, maybe on a 757 they would though!

  • @longbeach7623
    @longbeach7623 3 роки тому +1

    It’s a great aircraft, low noise level, smooth takeoff. But as far as rocketing is concerned, the 717 beats it. And the MD-90 beforehand.

    • @jmantravels
      @jmantravels  3 роки тому +1

      I haven't been on a 717 in a long time, I am working on a trip to catch some soon!

  • @ClearSkyProductions777
    @ClearSkyProductions777 2 роки тому

    Great vid! What seat is this?

  • @medviation
    @medviation 3 роки тому +1

    Why does the A220 need this noise abatement protocol when it is already very quiet? Shouldn't the regulations allow exceptions?

    • @jmantravels
      @jmantravels  3 роки тому

      You would think so, but it is just a blanket policy for all planes. Maybe it will change in the future, but probably not!

  • @HeisenbergXx
    @HeisenbergXx Рік тому

    I've been on planes that take off like this out of Sacramento so many times I've lost track and this doesn't look any different to me. I don't get what the point here is maybe I need to actually be on a plane taking off from this airport because it doesn't appear to be out of the ordinary. Should fly lower, or slower, don't commercial airlines cruise at over 30,000 feet? How should they get there?

  • @abdullaharif6455
    @abdullaharif6455 3 роки тому +1

    Why does the engine reach full takeoff power after staying at moderate takeoff power for a few seconds?

    • @jmantravels
      @jmantravels  2 роки тому

      To make sure the everything is "in the green" before going full power.

    • @abdullaharif6455
      @abdullaharif6455 2 роки тому

      @@jmantravels What do you mean by this?

  • @notconvincedgranny6573
    @notconvincedgranny6573 Рік тому

    The runways are so short it's like being flung from a slingshot!

  • @grefties3488
    @grefties3488 3 роки тому

    damn

  • @BigPops757
    @BigPops757 2 роки тому

    It’d be kinda funny if you’re next to a nervous passenger and when the engines spool down a bit you yell” OH SHIT THE ENGINE FAILED”.

  • @canyonoverlook9937
    @canyonoverlook9937 10 місяців тому

    Do they ever land and takeoff going east or does the wind always come from the ocean?

    • @larrybradshaw908
      @larrybradshaw908 2 місяці тому +1

      98% of the time the wind comes inland FROM the ocean…
      Except during the Santa Ana winds, where it come from inland TOWARDS the ocean; sometimes at 20+ mph.

  • @vicv9503
    @vicv9503 3 роки тому +2

    that PW is quiet!.. oh were in the air now? lol

    • @jmantravels
      @jmantravels  3 роки тому

      Way to quiet!

    • @abdullaharif6455
      @abdullaharif6455 3 роки тому

      IKR! Amazingly quiet!

    • @TheUtuber999
      @TheUtuber999 3 роки тому

      @@jmantravels No such thing as too quiet. 😁

    • @jmantravels
      @jmantravels  3 роки тому

      @@TheUtuber999 is there such a thing as to loud?

    • @TheUtuber999
      @TheUtuber999 3 роки тому

      @@jmantravels That depends on whether you live near an airport. 😃

  • @brandonflores3330
    @brandonflores3330 2 роки тому

    The engine howl 😩😩😩

  • @raymondherbst7126
    @raymondherbst7126 3 роки тому

    Noise Abatement

  • @timkinn675
    @timkinn675 3 роки тому

    Departure in 757 is even better.

    • @jmantravels
      @jmantravels  3 роки тому +1

      I bet! But Delta canceled my 757 fight and I had to switch to the A220. Still cool though!

    • @timkinn675
      @timkinn675 3 роки тому

      @@jmantravels absolutely. Any departure out of SNA is killer. 757's are just so powerful. Worked at SNA for years. Good times

  • @MDE128
    @MDE128 2 роки тому

    A220s sound more like Airbus planes than CRJs. They don’t sound like CRJs at all.

    • @jmantravels
      @jmantravels  2 роки тому

      Well they came from Bombardier, and they are super quiet!

  • @johniii8147
    @johniii8147 3 роки тому +1

    Nothing unusual at the airport you can’t fly your aircraft in there if u can’t do that. It’s required to operate out of the airport

  • @EricL91710
    @EricL91710 3 роки тому

    like taking off from an aircraft carrier

  • @tomtalker2000
    @tomtalker2000 3 роки тому +2

    One of THE QUIETEST jets in the short haul market right now. And they
    FAR surpass the Boeing MAX's. Look for them to take over in the near
    future folks.

    • @jmantravels
      @jmantravels  3 роки тому +1

      I totally agree! And honestly I don't like the 737s so this will be very welcomed by me!

    • @cmsimo999
      @cmsimo999 3 роки тому +1

      And 2+3 seating to boot! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

    • @jmantravels
      @jmantravels  3 роки тому

      @@cmsimo999 seriously some of the best! No one likes middle seat!

  • @jefff6167
    @jefff6167 3 роки тому +1

    What’s the fuss about here?

  • @tomdick693
    @tomdick693 3 роки тому

    i see a normal take off.....whats the big deal?

    • @tomdick693
      @tomdick693 3 роки тому

      @ im actually a pilot.

  • @Christopher-hx6xm
    @Christopher-hx6xm 8 місяців тому

    Noise abatement No Rocket Quiet Please

  • @ianjacob4049
    @ianjacob4049 Рік тому

    😂😢👧

  • @thud9797
    @thud9797 3 роки тому

    Definitely not a 757.

  • @johnyoung2997
    @johnyoung2997 2 роки тому

    I hate how quiet this plane is.

  • @journeystarr
    @journeystarr 3 роки тому

    A noise ordinance at an airport? Really?

    • @jmantravels
      @jmantravels  2 роки тому

      Especially in California, crazy!

  • @SDRob01
    @SDRob01 2 роки тому

    People: Let's move near an airport under the flight path.
    Same people: Oh it's so loud, let's complain about it.
    Idiots.

    • @jmantravels
      @jmantravels  2 роки тому

      😂😂😂 happened in DEN too. They built the airport in the middle of nowhere, then people moved in and complain about the noise.

  • @matthewtownsend2368
    @matthewtownsend2368 5 місяців тому +1

    Weak as shit. 757 makes noise

  • @gerryellis3847
    @gerryellis3847 3 роки тому

    It became an Air Bus due to D J Trump parts made in Belfast

  • @lotsaluck721
    @lotsaluck721 3 роки тому

    Who cares...French Jet...lib

    • @andreasgasser5823
      @andreasgasser5823 3 роки тому +5

      No, Canadian Jet and licence built in the US.

    • @jmantravels
      @jmantravels  3 роки тому

      @@andreasgasser5823 "oh yeah eh? Ya don't say..."

    • @abdullaharif6455
      @abdullaharif6455 3 роки тому +1

      No, the A220 is not French. It was originally designed by Bombardier, a Canadian company, and formerly known as the CSeries. Later this program was sold to Airbus.

    • @lotsaluck721
      @lotsaluck721 3 роки тому

      That would make it....wait for it.....French!

    • @OVTraveller
      @OVTraveller 3 роки тому +1

      Lotta Luck, would you rather a crappy Boeing.......lotta luck with that

  • @datsniggawater
    @datsniggawater 3 місяці тому

    What current plane would you ..could you compare the 220? 737 700? 319?