Southern Pacific Railroad in the Cascades - Cab Forward Helper Operations
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- Опубліковано 19 сер 2024
- A cab forward road engine and two cab forward helpers climb to Cascade Summit with a freight train. The helpers are cut out, turned, and return light to Oakridge. This model railroad layout is set the in the Oregon Cascades, circa 1950s.
The lead locomotive and mid-train helper (4275 and 4292) are Intermountain Railways AC-12s. The trailing helper (4120) is an AC-4 by Broadway Limited Imports
Layout website: spcascade.com/
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WOW!! Even the inside of the tunnels look amazing!
I love the whistle on your Cab Forward!
Wow those are some smooth operating locomotives. No jerkyness starting up or slowing.
THANK YOU FOR SHOWING WHAT A LAYOUT SHOULD LOOK LIKE AND HOW TO DO AN OPERATING SESSION. GOOD JOB.
Excellent training; cab-forwards are awesome. Cheers!
Thanks trackspike64. That is a very nice thing to say. I used ordinary interior latex house paint (thinned somewhat) from Ace Hardware for the basic color. Then I applied thin washes of various acrylic colors from Hobby Lobby. Next, I used thin washes of india ink in crevasses and cracks to emphasize them. I also used very thin black paint to deepen shadows. Finally I dry brushed white to bring out highlights and give a weathered rock effect. I operate the layout occasionally.
This is some layout! And what a wonderful video! Thank you!
You have a nice looking railroad and I love the cab forwards and the fact that your signal system is set up properly.
Having worked for Sp as a brakeman in the early 1950,s the helpers cut away from the train went around the wye and shuved the train together.
What a great layout, i really love your rock formations and the realistic loads on the flat cars.
Well done video sir! And you did great at cutting out the helper, made it look effortless. Thank you.
Thank you very much Bill, I can only imagine the delite you have each time you turn on the lights to your wonderful layout. maintaining all those cab forwards is an effort alone. Thanks again Sir.
great scenery! Nice looking layout. love those AC's too!
Thank you Eric. There really isn't enough space to go into it here. But you have given me an idea for an article to add to my layout website. When I get that posted I'll try to remember to let you know.
This has to be one of the most dynamic model railroads I've seen & trust me I've seen a few, a great story on a great layout filmed by a great camera , great work well done
Thanks for the confirmation. That explanation makes total sense. RIchard
"O" my goodness. This is gorgeous
Great video, Great consist, and a good workout...
Nicely done, from the lumber loads, detail inside the tunnels, operation, everything! cheers!
@stationmaster12 Thanks! The lumber loads are resin castings of the lumber stacks without the bracing. The masters for the lumber stacks were made from pieces of stripwood glued together with yellow carpenter's glue. The bracing was made individually for each flatcar by putting each lumber stack on the car and gluing each brace in place. That gives an exact fit to each car's stake pockets. Google "resin casting" for more info about resin casting.
....extraordinarily beautiful, congratulations!!
I am Italian, until now I have dedicated myself only to European material. I'm starting the American collection and the American Cab Forward is one of my favorite locomotive
Awesome! I love the attention to detail.
Like so many who have already commented, what a wonderfully complete layout you have. You deserve high compliments for your attention to detail! Super!
i loved how you used the rubber mold inside the tunnel to add more detail
@Doompanzer1943 Thank you for the kind words. The yard trackage was the first part of the layout that I built, but it is still one of the least finished parts of the layout. That is the reason It normally does not appear my videos. I do intend to finish it -- maybe after the upper level is done and I get some backdrops painted. And of course there will always be more trees needed. Bill R.
Thanks; glad you like it.
Enjoyed watching this. Great layout and super action. Cab Forwards were great locos.
Fantastic layout. You believe in the same design concepts that I do. Not a thing wrong with multiple tracks crossing the same visual area if they are separated by enough scenery and elevation change. These layout types are hard to design in a conventional manner because much of the track doubles back on itself and keeps crossing over lower tracks but, if you want to get the most out of a given space, go vertical. I love helper operations as well. Great concept. Great execution. Beautiful modeling.
If you've ever been to Donner Pass the railroad always seems to be on top of itself in many locations....well done!
Definitely makes my top 10 list of best layouts ever!
Stumbled across this video and all I can say is "WOW"!!! Hard to imagine this is not a club layout. It's just superb. While watching I picked up a couple tips for my own layout. Thanks. I subscribed!
Two thumbs up. Great job. Great cinematography. Tells the story well! I can't believe how well everything seems to work. Far cry from the usual. If we had an SP Modeler's Hall of Fame, you'd be a shoe-in.
Bill: Another superb video--I've watched them all and can't get enough! I particularly liked this one for the helper action--turning them inside that wye tunnel at Cascade Summit. Yours is still one of the finest mountain layouts I've ever seen.
I miss model rail roading so much, maybe when I get a better job and get through school I can't start again!
can
+daniel miller I hope you can too.
J'adore ...bravo ! J'ai hâte que le son soit meilleur ...
Awesome video Bill. Im a big fan of helper operations, I'd like to recreate someday the CP Rail pusher operations at Rogers Pass. Your layout is a HUGE inspiration to me. *** Folks, go to his website, you can see the birth of this gorgeous layout!! ***
Thanks WestCoastRails. The website mentioned above is at spcascade.com/
Im really impressed by the Carloads.
I’m going to make this video on my favorite list
wow...thanks for sharing and keep up the great work. . Lance
I like that you finished the inside of the tunnels. You were thinking ahead on the photography huh? Great layout!
Outstanding! Thanks for posting. I really enjoyed watching.
@BerkeleyGang Thanks for the kind words. Actually things work much better when all the bungling is removed through the magic of video editing. :-)
Another great video Bill, I really liked the helper action. Also, liked the POV shots as well as the camera angles. I just can't get enough of this layout!!! It's so Awesome.
@prognosis2001 Thanks Steven. Your comments brought a smile to my face. Bill R
Thank you very much! Glad you like it.
@MrTWhite39 Tom, Thank you very much for your generous compliments. I'm glad you enjoy the videos. Bill R.
@sym290 The AC-12s are Intermountain cab forwards, run 2. I have changed the original motors for Mashima 1833 motors and loosened the electrical pickup wipers on the drivers.
Intermountain says that the problems with run 2 will be fixed in run 3. Given my positive experiences in dealing with them in the past, I'm inclined to believe that this is true.
What a superb production your editing skills have shown off this wonderful layout to the full, great work well done!
Very nice layout Bill. We are flat land modelers of the old Soo west of Shoreham. You have captured the mountains quite well.
Great job. Thanks for sharing.
Bill, great video! I must say that your vidiographer skills have signigicantly inceased. The combination of still camera, panning camera and mobil camera along with your editing have created a great video. I like gong through the tunnels and hearing the sounds of the wheels.
As a side note, a couple of years ago I camped across the rivier from the tracks at Oakridge. Also had dinner at a nice restaurant there. Again, great video Bill.
The cabforwards didn't burn coal. They burned a thick heavy form of oil that was relatively inexpensive at the time. The oil tank in the tender was, if I recall correctly, both heated and pressurized so the fuel oil could be brought forward to the firebox via a fuel line.
Well done video and beautiful layout. I can tell your planned this video out and didn't just point and shoot. Loved the care to not show giant people in the view as well.
Amazing, thank you for sharing!
Incredible!
Nice job! Fun to watch.
@HunterR909 Yes. One turnout and the tail track of the Y are hidden inside the mountain above the helix. There is a track plan showing this on the layout website. The layout website URL is posted below the video window. Click on "Show More" Bill R
Yes it is HO scale. See the layout website. Click on "Show more" below the video window for the link.
WestCoastRails, Brian, Stephen, Apples2095, Josh, Cristiano, Hobbytrem
Thank you all very much for all the kind and generous compliments. It is gratifying to know that you enjoy the layout and videos. Bill R.
Fabulous. Black Widow F units. Love it.
A detail video of the unit(s), installation and operation of the mobile camera would be in order.
Keep up the good work!
Gary
@HunterR909 Yep on Donnor Pass they used to have turntables in the snow sheds for that reason. Most of the crossovers are in snow sheds!
Bill is right, the Cab Forwards were oil-fired, the oil was low-pressurized to send the fuel to the firebox. This design wouldn't have worked otherwise. The majority of SP's steam engines were oil-fired anyway, as were other western railroads.
I did a Spock impression. "Fascinating!"
*-* great modell train
job! Why would anybody thumbs down this?
Superseanbarry Thanks. It's OK. I'm not bothered by it. There are many more "likes" than thumbs down.
EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!!!
Eric, I'd forgotten. There is already some material about the rockwork on my layout website. If you click on the "Show More" button below the main video window, there is a link to the layout website. Go there, then scroll down to "Rockwork Tips".
Bill very impressive your layout looks like what I would like mine to be like in a few years time
Neil Rogers! UK
The lead locomotive and mid-train helper (4275 and 4292) are Intermountain Railways AC-12s. The trailing helper (4120) is an AC-4 by Broadway Limited Imports
I meant to say Great Job.
Count me in on another phenomenal video!!!! I loved every second of it and I am quite impressed with the footage that you are producing. I want more!! LOL. Thanks bill for all the help earlier and can I please have one of your cab forwards? They run so smooth!! LOL.
I find your site ( Link) in a German Forum, a great Modell Train, great scenery, very good
Nice stuff
who dislike this video ??? I can't believe it !
Rarawer I really don't mind. For every person who dislikes the video, there are 35 who clicked the like button.
+Bill Rogers so do I as the other 199.
I love it! the SP in the Oregon Cascades is my personal favorite. This layout captures that flavor
You can see the drive wheels on the lead locomotive slipping
#4120 was actually an AC-5 class
Very interesting. Thanks for the information. The Navy is still burning heavy oil to fire it's boilers on some ships. The Navy had to heat its oil too to get it to flow properly. BTW your excellent landscaping is almost matched on some of my videos on the Sun City, AZ Model Railroad Club @ rahaworth1 on You Tube.
SUPER !!!
The lead locomotive and mid-train helper (4275 and 4292) are Intermountain Railways AC-12s. The trailing helper (4120) is an AC-4 by Broadway Limited Imports. UA-cam does not permit links to be posted in comments, or I would post links to these companies. However, you can find their websites using Google.
The rock formations and scenery and extremely well done. Can you share how they were done?
Bill awesome layout, when is your next update on your layout it is along time since this one, Thanks Dave Treating
Nevermind!
Unfortunately realistic looking concrete pipes for sewer systems are not easy to reproduce in HO-scale.
regards
Stefan
Sorry I can't remember where I got those pipes. They may have come with the flatcar.
Speed as key
sym290 posted this comment and somehow I bumbled around in replying and inadvertently deleted it. So here it is re-posted.
Thanks for the great videos you make. Altough I'm a UP/ATSF fan I couldn't resist and bought a cab forward from BLI, my question is, are the AC12's Intermountain models or brass? how do they run? I've heard some horror stories about the past releases and my fingers are itching for the new release.... greetings from Romania, Dan
Bill, I have been watching your videos for a few months now, I have to say that yours is one of the most impressive layouts I have ever seen! I love big steam of the 40's and 50's (Epee Cab forwards and UP big boys) and the fact that you run so many cab forwards staggers me! (nothing more cool than triple headed ACs tacking the mountains!) On a final note, this video showed some of your yard, is it a new addition to the layout and are you going to decorate it in detail? Love the the turntable!
Thanks for the great videos you make. Altough I'm a UP/ATSF fan I couldn't resist and bought a cab forward from BLI, my question is, are the AC12's Intermountain models or brass? how do they run? I've heard some horror stories about the past releases and my fingers are itching for the new release.... greetings from Romania, Dan.
Wow. Incredible job on the layout. So real-like. And equally incredible job on the video work. Superb all the way around! Hats off! Very cool too that you selected this unusual, special loco or this.
One Q: Where in the OR Cascades is this layout set? I know those mountains pretty well, and some of the rail through them. Is this the line up the eastern side from CA, through Medford, then over to the western side at Grants Pass, and on north (e.g., into Glendale)? Or up from CA farther on the eastern side, through Klamath, basically parallels Rt. 97, through Chemult, divides just north of there, one branch going over Willamette Pass? Or some other route? Just interested to see if I recognize some stretches along your fabulous line! Great job. The realism is I think better than I've ever seen.
Cyclist0623 Thanks for the kind words. The layout is loosely based on the line from Oakridge over Willamette Pass (actually the railroad uses nearby Pengra Pass).
Bill Rogers After my question post, I found your website, with the great old SP mpa of the Portland-SF route, through Eugene, Oakridge, Willamette, Chemult, Klamath, etc That's the area, the pass from Westfir to Chemult, and the rail line, that I know best. No wonder I love this! Watching this it was as if, hold it! I think I've BEEN here! Makes want to get back to OR. Great job to be able to evoke such recognition and feelings from a model rail! I knew the cab-forwards, but never knew they ran on this line, nor from Oakridge up "the hill." Special loco for sure. And now I know, was run in a special place (at least for me). Thank you!
WOW! those lumber loads look really great!! How were they made? Thanks!!
wow your layout is just super awesome can you tell me how you got the rock colors I am in N scale and would realy love to have my stuff look like this breath takin like yours jaw dropping , do you run your layout alot ..
Such a great layout and the models are beautiful! Was it hard to replace the LED headlights on the Intermountain AC-12s?
Yes, those locomotives are pretty difficult to disassemble and not destroy the exterior detailing, if I recall correctly.
Wow! Double wow! and in HO scale. What are the tunnel liners made of? Did you edit out the uncoupling of the helpers? Fantastic anyway you put it.
Tunnel liners are made of crinkled aluminum foil painted flat black backed by plaster cloth. I did edit out helper uncoupling.
Awesome layout Bill. I have always dreamed of a layout like yours shown here. When you were setting out the two locos did you have some kind of magnetic uncoupler located in the track at this trestle?
Thanks Robert. No uncoupler. I manually uncoupled the locomotives and just clipped out that part with the video editor.
What kind of turntable are you using? It looks more modest and accurate to SP turntables than the walthers ones I've seen.
The turntable was a kit from Diamond Scale
www.diamond-scale.com/products__turntables.htm
that's a nice steam team are all your steamers plastic cause i collect metal steam locomotives
Bill, How do they get the coal from the tender to the engine's firebox on the cabforwards?
Hello Bill,
from which brand are the concrete tubes on the two last flat cars of the train, shown at 12:20? Thank you & kind regards!
What kind of turn table are you using and how much space does the engine terminal take up
The turntable was built from a Diamond Scale kit. The space for the turntable and associated tracks is about 3 by 5 feet.
Hi. Could you tell me who made these models of the cab-forwards as I cant find them anywhere. thanks
what part of donner pass did you base your layout on
Not Donner Pass. It's SP's crossing of the Oregon Cascades.
Are they Intermountian cab forward?
There are both Intermountain and Broadway Limited Cab Forwards, as noted in the description above.