I knew it. As a biologist and educator, I have been stating that it is highly unlikely that only animals incorporated B12 producing bacteria. I'm surprised Mike didn't mention endosymbiotic theory featuring mitochondria and chloroplasts. :-) I think we will continue to find more and more edible plants that facilitate this. Mitochondria and chloroplast ancestors probably could as well. I'll have to do some digging. Keep up the good work!
There is also evidence that Lactobacillus reuteri CRL1098 Produces Cobalamin (or vitamin B12). (See: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC193752/). Think sourdough bread!! At least 4 L. reuteri strains have been found to produce B12! (Tempeh can contain large amounts of B12 - See: Enhanced vitamin B12 production in an innovative lupin tempeh is due to synergic effects of Rhizopus and Propionibacterium in cofermentation. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29041832 ).
Mitochondria and Chloroplasts in eukaryots don't produce B12 as far as I know? They gave up a lot of their genes and basically only kept the ones for stuff like oxidative phosphorylation and some t and rRNA. Still would be cool if they did
There is NO plant source of B12 . You have to contaminate that plant with pathogenic bacteria and grow it on animal by products : casein and gelatin in highly control environment. Hahahahazz @ "biologist and educator" !!
@@blonderider2650 Did you watch the video; better yet, did you read the study? You are probably referring to experimental plots in Israel. The species of bacteria providing the B12 is not a pathogenic form. There is no evidence of this. Yes, I am a college Biology Professor (many schools) with a Masters in Biology and a Doctoral Candidate in Science Education. I am also a Doctor of Science Student in Integrative Health. Nothing I stated warranted your mocking. With that said, from the actual study: "The B12 in the Mankai is not a bacterial contaminant (disinfecting and washing the surface of the plant do not reduce the B12 content)". Yeah, keep your laughs to yourself. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. There are other non-animal sources of B12 as well (which is the point that vegans have to keep making). www.researchgate.net/publication/329559531_Protein_bioavailability_of_Wolffia_globosa_duckweed_a_novel_aquatic_plant_-_A_randomized_controlled_trial
It's because he actually sources his info and has an educated detailed opinion to say about it haha, it's just just fluff highlights like many infotainment vids
In very Greger-like fashion, Mic is presenting a hypothesis as a fact. If B12 is actually present in duckweed instead of a pseudo-B12, the association with endophytic is just a hypothesis. Regardless, below is a letter response to the paper on Mankai that Mic flashed in his gish gallop. It's not clear whether or not, duckweed has B12 or pseudo B12. A press release from a company trying to push duckweed as a source of B12 also is a pretty poor source to start one's argument with. ================================================= Jahreis, G., Appenroth, K.-J., Sree, K. S., & Dawczynski, C. (2019). Letter to original article by Kaplan et al. 2018 - Protein bioavailability of Wolffia globosa duckweed, a novel aquatic plant, A randomized controlled trial. DOI: doi.org/10.1016/j.clnu.2019.07.007 "...Plants contain a large spectrum of corrinoids and an analytical differentiation between active and inactive corrinoids is challenging. Interestingly, Watanabe and Bito [2] investigated cobalamin compounds in foods and found a high proportion of pseudo vitamin B12 compounds in plant foods. Moreover, the vitamin B12 content of test meals containing Mankai was higher than that of test meals with soft cheese (Table1). It is important to state here that dairy products are a well-known natural source of active vitamin B12. Considering the results presented by Watanabe and Bito [2] there is a probability that the ones analyzed in Mankai, with the method used, were pseudo vitamin B12 or inactive corrinoids. In the clinical studies concerning determination of vitamin B12 in blood, competitive electrochemiluminescent immunoassay “ECLIA” (Cobas 8000, Roche Diagnostics, Mannheim, Germany) was used. However, this assay cannot differentiate cobalamins from inactive corrinoids. In the present report, the serum concentration of vitamin B12 did not change significantly from baseline values after 180 min, but the differences between the Mankai group verses the soft cheese group as well as the green peas group were significant. The variation in and between the subjects was very high. The results presented in this section are not in coherence with those in Table 1. The decrease of serum vitamin B12 concentration after consumption of the soft cheese test meal (Table 3) are not plausible because vitamin B12 content in soft cheese test meal was 1.16 mg. Likewise, the increase of vitamin B12 concentration after intake of green peas is also not acceptable, as green peas test meal did not contain vitamin B12 (Table 1). The vitamin B12 concentrations present a high standard deviation, which underlines the analytical challenges involved herein The authors hypothesize that the presence of vitamin B12 in Mankai is because of its association with endophytic bacteria. The identification of these bacteria and basic characterization of their role, if any, in pathogenesis in humans is the minimum requirement from a scientific point of view, as Mankai is planned to be used for human nutrition. In our opinion, the authors' conclusion that Mankai is a potential bioavailable source of vitamin B12 is premature and further research in humans is of urgent need to draw the right conclusions."
Duckweed is a bio-accumulator that typically grew and grows in stagnant mineral rich waters with fish, birds and reptiles. Duckweed bio-accumulates nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium and a lot of heavy metals. So, any B12, if it indeed is B12 and not pseudo B12, may be simply due to the duckweed bio-accumulating the B12 from animal and fish manures.
@@REGENETARIANISM This duckweed is inoculated with pathogens under controlled conditions and produced with animal components like casein and gelatin - go read the patent. according to the methods of production there are a lot of toxic by products during the manufacturing process.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5788147/ 2018 Jan; 243(2): 148-158. Published online 2017 Dec 7. doi: 10.1177/1535370217746612 PMCID: PMC5788147. PMID: 29216732 Vitamin B12 sources and microbial interaction Lists various plant sources of B12, with citations:
Yes That's why I'll never go vegan. Because there's probably a ton of nutritionts that are only found in animal products that we haven't discovered yet.
@@posivibe989 BK puts mayo on the impossible whopper, and Carl's puts mayo on their beyond burger. When are these guys gonna wake up and offer vegan mayo 'cause it's just as good, right?!
Duckweed is actually the bigger flowering plant of the two. The one that is being studied is called watermeal /water eggs/water lentils/khai-nam /wolffia globosa
@@MictheVegan you are an idiot. It's been know that b12 is absorbed by plants for YEARS now.. you simply do not understand microbiology. Stop trying to "figure" this stuff out.
@UCN3IFwIYDcWsbYKUyhI6dHw my thoughts exactly - most plants are poison for human if not processed/cooked, seems unlikely that cavemen would waste time to find plants, when there is meat available plentyful. They would spend all day looking for and cooking plants/vegetables or kill a antilope and eat for days.
Duckweed is a bio-accumulator that typically grew in stagnant waters with fish, birds and reptiles. Duckweed bio-accumulates nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium and a lot of heavy metals. So, any B12, if it indeed is B12 and not pseudo B12, may be simply that the duckweed bio-accumulated the B12 from animal and fish manures.
@@REGENETARIANISM animals don't produce b12, if that was so then cows at farms weren't being given supplements since they're fed soybeans. All b12 comes from bacteria that lives on grass and in the soil which (the grass) the ruminants ingest and accumulate. So duckweed contains b12 not from an animal source, but from its original dispenser - bacteria. Edit: research "Australia's Bush Disease" - its what happens when cattle is let to feed on b12-bacteria depleted soils. (Spoiler: they die since they don't make b12 themselves)
I grew duckweed in lab in uni! It proliferates so quickly. We were playing with N and P levels in the water to see how it affected plant growth. This was an environmental water science class. This is awesome. So sustainable.
That's so cool. I actually grow duckweed for my pet ducks and chickens as a food source, now I'll have to grow more for my family who are vegan except for one who is vegetarian but we are working on that.
@@i.e.presents638 I just grow it in large containers and plastic ponds outside and top with rainwater which I collect if the water level goes down too much in the summer, otherwise just leave the duckweed to grow. I do feed it a small amount of the liquid from my worm farms every now and then. Very easy to grow.
Oompa Loompa oh no!!! I was able to deal with thanksgiving and Christmas with non vegan family members, but this...this comment on a comment...is the last straw. I can no longer care about my health, the environment or other sentient beings, because ChIcKeN TaStEs GoOd.
@Oompa Loompa Haha You are as stupid as you sound. I am not vegan. Just goes to show how little you use your brain... You are the only one that sounds like you are in a cult. What is it like to be as dumb as you are?
Oompa Loompa healthy for a bear or lion sure, but for you and I, not so much. Fish and chicken are high in saturated fat and cholesterol, the two biggest risk factors for heart disease, our number one killer. You’re barking up the wrong tree kid, quit while you’re behind.
I knew it! My vegan siblings who live in Asia have never taken b12 supplements. They are getting it in their food. We have yet to still learn a lot about b12 sources. They've been Vegan for over a decade for those who doubt and vegetarian even longer. ( And yes, I plan to transition too but lifestyle and food in US makes it much harder). Thanks for the video, made my day.
@@ritalawson7020 Read this article before relying on mushrooms or any other source. I am vegan, btw. Title "Vitamin B12 in Plant Foods" by Jack Norris, RD (also vegan) "Summary In the published research, one plant food, chlorella, has been shown to have vitamin B12 activity in humans; there are caveats that you should be aware of before relying on it (see below). The only other plant food that has been tested is nori, which did not have B12 activity. A number of foods, arguably, warrant further attention. Makai, a type of duckweed, has shown promise for containing active B12 due to synergistic bacteria living inside the plant. But unless these foods are shown to consistently improve B12 status, vegans should not rely on them for vitamin B12. It cannot be emphasized enough that until a particular food, obtained from multiple regions, consistently improves vitamin B12 status (by lowering MMA levels) in humans, it should not be relied upon as a source of vitamin B12." -from "Vegan Health" Organization's web site
An interesting fact is how few edible plants we actually use: "Scientists at the Royal Botanic Gardens at Kew have estimated that the number of species of plants alive on the earth today is probably in excess of 400,000. Of these it is thought that many more than half of them could be considered edible to humans. It is entirely possible that we could eat an amazing 300,000 plant species. However, the reality is that we only consume a tiny fraction of what is possible. Homo sapiens, which is the most cosmopolitan of all species and one that thrives by virtue of being a supreme generalist, survives, by routinely eating only about 200 plant species. Amazingly more than half of the calories and the proteins that we derive from plants are provided by just three crops: maize, rice, and wheat." - John Warren, The Nature of Crops Clearly many of the plants classed as "edible" are not necessarily palatable, but in a world freed from the profit motive (i.e. socialism/anarchism), resources could be directed towards the selective breeding of all these plants to produce palatable varieties, which could potentially enormously expand the possibilities within plant-based diets. Nowadays, we think of plant-based diets as boring and limited, as compared to ones that include meat, but in theory they could be far more exciting - if it's the case that we only routinely eat 200 plant species out of a possible total of 300,000, that means we only consume 0.067% of edible plants. If you consider the fact that we consume even fewer sources of meat: pigs, cows, chickens, turkey, sheep/lamb, and goat make up most of them, then that means that all the dishes ever cooked in human history thus far have been produced with a remarkably limited set of ingredients compared to what could be done with all the unknown edible plants.
Count Cuckula As a kid we had plants in our garden that we would use for nettle stings etc. You think about it, the human race survived for years with natural remedies for pretty much everything. I still believe conventional medicine has its place though. Since being vegan any viral infection I’ve had has been fought off with hot and sour soup, and ginger with lemon. I very rarely have to take painkillers....and it’s all down to the power of plants.
Years back, I read that Dr. Suzuki mentioned there being more than 50,000 known edible plants (I think we eat between 3 and 8 thousand). I have been wondering for years if humans would find b-12 and other good stuff in a plant we don't much think of eating.
@@EricJackson76 non of that was mentioned in this comment. First they ridicule you, then they fight you, then they either join you or die off. (Carnivores an endangered form of human??) Lol love you stranger.
Duckweed is a small aquatic plant that is rich in nutrients, but its vitamin B12 content is generally considered to be limited. Vitamin B12 is mainly found in significant amounts in animal products, and its presence in plant-based foods is often scarce or in forms not easily absorbed by humans. While some research suggests that certain strains of duckweed might contain small amounts of B12, it's not typically considered a reliable source of this vitamin, especially for individuals following a vegetarian or vegan diet. The B12 found in duckweed might be in an inactive form, and its bioavailability for human absorption is a topic of ongoing research.
This Christmas Eve made 11 years since I stopped eating animals (I was 9), and I’ve only recently started taking B12 supplements. It’s easy, but it would be great if I could introduce these into my diet. Also thank you for the video lol I clicked so fast cause I was excited 😆
Suede 2 tea spoons of nutritional yeast a day is all the b12 you need :) I highly recommend you get some it’s super healthy and adds a lot of good flavor it’s really good to put on tofu eggs or veggie burgers
@@Iyanluh Anthony's nutritional yeast has 1000% of your daily recommended allowance of B12 in just 1.5 tablespoons. You can find it on Amazon easily. Since you can only absorb just 33% of your daily per meal anyway, just use a tiny amount per meal and you'll be golden. I add a half a teaspoon in my salad, smoothie, tofu scramble, or anything else I may wish. It has a cheese like smell so most use it as a cheese substitute in things like potato and carrot vegan cheese sauce or anything like homemade tofu ricotta cheese. some even sprinkle it on pasta, again, as a cheese substitute. Most soy milk also is fortified with B12 too. I hope that helps you to get your B12 daily, but please use a B12 supplement anyway once or twice a week unless a Doctor recommends otherwise.
I am always amazed at how you manage to extensively cover a topic in just a few minutes. Again, thanks for making us aware by sharing your screening of most recent studies. I could have just missed this valuable information for quite some time without your contribution. And the fallouts in terms of malnourishment fight, hydroponics or validity of self-sustained vegan lifestyle are huge.
This is one of my favorite plants in the whole world. I always make sure that no matter where I live I have it growing at least in a small water feature if I don't have a big pond. I would never eat my own because when I get it I get it from the woods and there's a chance of getting things like roundworm and flukes just parasites in general because it's pond water that is wild and that's normal. One of the biggest ways that people get parasites is from plants that are around fish that have parasites or other animals like frogs toads what have you. I would love to have a controlled batch growing inside somewhere that came from a clean source. That would just throw me to death because I love the plant like crazy! I get so excited when it starts growing I just bring home a little teeny drop of it and stick my finger in the water and come out in a few days and it's starting to cover the whole surface. Even though I live in Washington state mosquitoes still lay their eggs in any Stillwater. And where there's mosquito larvae there's roundworms it's just one of those things. I could probably add copper but then I'd be adding copper to these little plants? I always wondered if they were edible which is a terrible thing to think about your cute little pet plants but you know. Thank you this was a really exciting video👣🥀🥦🐾🖤
That's so wonderful!! I am exactly the same - I love duckweed so much because growing up we had a huge pond that always had duckweed in the spring and summer. Duckies would come and eat it but many years the duckweed was so prolific it'd cover the entire surface (the pond was kidney-shaped, roughly 80' by 40'). I loved seeing the duckweed grow more and more, and also the trails of the dark water trailing behind the duckies as they swam through it. I'm also from Washington state too! Small world :)
@@hiking1388 and being in this state one thing you can have is a beautiful garden! You can grow things for beauty you can grow things for food mixed together and that some of the things that are for beauty or most of the things that are for beauty or food it's a great place to have a garden. Of course having a greenhouse helps. All I know is being surrounded by all that beauty is really good for you or at least me it's been part of my family for Generations unfortunately ones that I had to just hear stories about because they passed before I was born but I grew up with their plants in my yard. My mother is very good at teaching me about what our family did and how we guard and and just everything my family's been in Washington sense there is no such thing as West Seattle or the Central District or Georgetown there weren't anything but a couple of little circles and they were named the same thing my grandma was here and there very early 1800s which people always question me about but I think she lived out in the country where it wasn't name and then they named it and built houses. We've probably crossed paths before I've been here forever sure has changed I don't really like it anymore now that I don't have my family I was born late so people passed and all the landmarks disappeared. At my age I could probably move out pretty far did the off grid thing live off the land and civilization won't hit me Till I'm Gone. It's much cheerier to me than it sounds your Pond sounds like it was beautiful! Take care of yourself!
@@gomezaddams6470 Yes Washington is very special, I am currently living in Europe but visit whenever I can...Washington will always be my home! I am sure your family has such stories to tell, I hope you've written some of them down, even your own on growing up in our lovely state. I quite envy people who can go live off grid, I know people who've done that (down to needing to chop firewood to heat up water for a bath). It's my dream to be able to live out in some place like Marblemount and garden and hike, one day soon I hope! Washington has changed even since I was a kid, but I hope you're at least able to enjoy the sea and the mountains a bit. And of course the greenery - the older I get the more I need to be surrounded by greenery :) Oh and since watching Mic's video, here's a video youtube recommended to me about using duckweed in a survival situation: ua-cam.com/video/eQKzlvyU-tk/v-deo.html Please take care of yourself too, I am always so happy to meet people with stories about Washington :)
could you plz explain why if there's mosquito larvae there's also roundworms? I'm both fascinated and terrified of parasites and always on the search for new info about the topic
@Berserker wrong. I'm not a parasite to the earth even though some people are. there is no such thing as a good parasite, that's an oxymoron. you clearly don't know the definition of parasite
@@stephaniemyers4516 you realize it's been known since the 50s that meat eaters are more likely to be b12 deficent. Also animal products aren't a good vehicle for b12 because of the acid environment. The b12 starts to degrade as soon as the animal dies.. It's the antibiotics in animal products that damage the endothelial cells in the stomach that destroys intrinsic factor, which carries b12 from the stomach to the illieum to be absorbed
@@carinaekstrom1 which is more likely- vegans need b12 or meat eaters need b12, so they accuse vegans of not getting enough... It's the same thing meat eaters have done qith protein, vitamin A etc etc etc.. The b12 industry sells 80% of its b12 to fharmers who feed the supplement to their farm animals... humans buy the rest, and no one needs it except for people who eat antibiotics in their food and people with issues like stomach cancer or other stomach problems
I love sea buckthorn. It's a common berry where i live. I always felt a bit discouraged when i was seeing youtube videos with fancy stuff like oatmeal with blueberries and hemp seeds, but it seems i have my own power food as well.
I found it being sold on Amazon, but the label says nothing about B12 or the quantity per serving. For something that is so important to vegans, and therefore a big selling point, it seems strange. I'll wait until they show that on the label.
What You Need To Know About Vitamin B12 - Vegan Diets Jan. 7, 2021 Physicians Committee What is vitamin B12, and why do you need it? How much B12 do you need per day? Which form of B12 is best? What is a normal B12 level? Do you have questions about vitamin B12? Neal Barnard, MD, is here to answer some of the the most asked questions regarding vitamin B12! B12 is an essential nutrient that you need for healthy nerves and blood. B12 is not made by either animals or plants, but by bacteria. On a vegan diet you’ll need to get B12 either as a supplement, which you’ll find in all drug stores and many food stores, or through fortified foods, like B12-fortified soy milk.
Cheers Mic! Excellent video, super interesting to see Duckweed in all its symbiotic glory and pretty amusing that there seems to be a bunch of other common plants with moderate amounts of bioactive b12.
Love the channel Mic, your content is great and what the world needs more of. Been raw vegan over 18 years now, youtube did not even exist back then. What a great resource for people now a days.
@Gerardo Argueta So we are horrific just because we are spreading awareness? So how much veganism can you tolerate before it becomes "horrific" for you??
@Gerardo Argueta It is the animal products industries that are making consumer's sick and the majority of patients in Hospitals and that have to see their GP regularly are non vegans. The animal products industries are already controlling the majority of the population because vegans only make up 1% of the world's population.
@Gerardo Argueta if Agenda 21 is true then that is why they push for grassfed animal products. Most people in the world cannot afford to eat so much meat as the Westen societies do. But if the Elite dream about grassfed animal products for everyone then they need to kill billions of humans since there isn't enough space to raise only such animals for food. Don't be gullible - plants sustain many more people, so no need to kill billions.
Wow, I do recall watching an interview from a few years back with Geoff Palmer discussing Lentein. He was saying his protein powder was the first to contain it. Didn't hear much about otherwise until now. Cool stuff.
I think most of us would find it difficult to eat more than one or two 'fresh' Sea Buckthorn berries. They taste like a very 'zingy' super-concentrated orange juice. That might sound nice, but I have tried them and one berry was quite enough. So if you was going to pick your own, I'd suggest putting them through a juicer with some blander stuff to tone it down a bit. If you want to grow your own Sea Buckthorn plant, ensure your soil is well-drained (preferably sandy and stony), and the area is very sunny and not too sheltered. (I found they do not survive in the very wet, humid, dull weather I have here in inland Scotland). The Inula helenium sounds interesting as well. Definitely one for next year's seed list. It's another one for a sunny part of the garden, but is less exacting than the Sea Buckthorn so has a better chance of growing in damper climates. Wheatgrass grows easily in most places as many of you already know. The trick is trying to stop other animals from eating it all before you get a chance!
Sorry, but I'm old enough to remember when the same claim was being made for spirulina and similar plants which proved to contain analogues. They showed up as B12 in tests but did not deliver. I'm going to require some really, really solid evidence.
Nori is the dried seaweed that sushi is wrapped in. Korean nori contains substantial bioactive B12. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19256490 (2009): "all Korean laver products tested contain true vitamin B(12), but not inactive corrinoid compounds", "These results suggest that Korean purple laver products would be excellent vitamin B(12) sources for humans, especially vegetarians." Dried purple nori has been shown to cure B12 deficiency in rats: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11430774 (2001).
@@johnwilliamson9657 This doesn't have much to do with their comment. They're looking for solid evidence that these forms of B12 are actually bioavailable and not analogues. There isn't enough evidence yet, so for now we should stick to nutritional yeast or whatever as that's fortified with cyanocobalamin which is proven to be bioavailable.
@@ReasonMakes I quoted the exact words of the paper which refute your claims. Try rereading my comment above carefully (hint: it's the bit where it says "true vitamin B(12)", not analogues. Nori is a good source of B12.
In order to determine if the food is bioactive, they have to feed it to animals or humans and look for evidence of B-12 metabolism indirectly. Chlorella has bioactive B-12 (and it is a plant, albeit single-celled). Spirulina doesn't. In fact Spirulina has an inactive form that competes with the bioactive form.
According to results of a study, this B12 is in fact active, as tested by feeding humans duckweed patties or some other edible form of it and measuring B12 in blood later.
I want to try some now! I also feel like I’ve had sea buckthorn or at least heard of it. Aqua culture excites me, as does vertical farming. Oh, the possibilities!!!
In the book, Soylent Green is a mixture of Soy and Lentils. This Duckweed could replace both of those. All the more reason to make vegan products with it.
@Jonah Whale No, why would I mean something so wrong and stupid? Seasonal animals? and it's the vegans and other far left totalitarians who are responsible for most of the slavery, rape, intolerance and murder in our world. Eat some beef and grow up.
@sick vegan that's called the False Dichotomy fallacy. It automatically makes you wrong. If you are wrong, perhaps you had better rethink your premises. But many people/populations, for many days, eat meat only. Some for months, some for lifetimes and generations. NO society flourishes on a vegan diet, usually they die off and have to recruit from healthy idiots to last for more than one generation. Of course the best practice is an animal based, whole foods diet, that includes some vegetables. See, that's the difference between normal people and you. We are not controlling and obsessed. You want to force people to do your stilted and disastrous diet, instead of just doing it your self and dying quietly. We don't care what you eat. You are the insane effectless totalitarian and we are basically sitting over here laughing at you.
Been vegan for almost 4 years now and luckily for me I went vegan right in my lifting phase so carnists can't say I'm only big because of meat. I don't even take b12 supplements. Guess you carnists are gonna have to find a new argument🤷🏿♂️
Jabari fortified soy milk, I presume? Just make sure you’re getting enough just in case. That’s the only major thing you really need to be careful about
Wait, we are just gonna gloss over the fact that Sea Buckthorn also contains high amounts of naturally occuring B12 vitamin through a symbiosis with a bacteria, what gives, that is amazing news. It is also a rich source in Vitamin C, making it ideal for iron absorption, now I wanna know where I can get fresh/frozen sea buckthorn, as I imagine dried sea buckthorn has very few remnants of water soluble vitamins 🙂
@@dyl9922 Calling me a fool while using your electronic device made with animal products on the internet made with animal products on youtube servers using animal products loses a lot of it's impact. You on the other hand I could call a fool and a hypocrite and it makes perfect sense.
Great news! Do you know if the particular strains highlighted can be obtained to grow at home? Not sure if you said only particular stains were edible for humans? Duckweed will grow very prolifically in home aquariums. Also as you mentioned it's cultivation does not seem to be dependent upon animal (factory farmed/sea food industry) sourced fertilizers as are most organically grown produce.
If that's true, that's interesting. I wish there were more studies on B12 in plants, and if some do contains B12, I want them to be sold in my country. No more excuses from carnists saying "But you have to take a supplement tho".
reading is my sauce omnivores actually don’t have to take supplements. (Both should probably take vitamin d, if they live in a place without much sun) Assuming both omnivores and vegans are eating optimal diets, the vegan will have to take omega 3, and b12 at the very least.
@@godofnothing428 Why do you bring Omega 3 ? Chia seeds are a good source of omega 3, i've never heard vegans should supplement in Omega 3, especially since we don't know what the optimal level of omega 3 is yet... If what the video claim is true, then no, vegans don't necessarily have to take a supplement, since there are plant sources of B12. Some also claim that it is possible to get it from traces of dirt and untreated water. Some anecdotal evidences like Fiona Oakes seems to indicate that it may not be necessary to supplement, depending on your lifestyle. A study presented in this extract seems to confirm that : ua-cam.com/video/pbUXfdUUEqM/v-deo.html
Kerbi delsol you clearly know how to do research, so you should know that plant based omega 3’s convert to ala which is very ineffective at being used by the body. I’m not familiar with the studies presented in this video so I’ll concede this one.
God Of nothing Technically ominvores *are* taking supplements, just not directly. Farm animals are given supplements of B12, so anyone eating those animals are getting them second-hand.
I wonder if the Duckweed Burger industry I just created in my head will give the soy burger people a run for their money. Perhaps I should jump on that train.
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@Jonah Whale Oh yeah, sea buckthorn is awesome, and makes the most refreshing sorbet on the planet. **According to my peer reviewed studies. :) Also, I grow it veganic permaculture style and live in the cold wet mountains of Germany, no where near the coast.
It’s funny so many people in the aquarium hobby have this in their tanks....we have before too but don’t currently....may start having it again....it grows super fast and easy....
@@ChessJitsu you would think that a product claiming to contain a true plant based source of b12 would have that written all over it, or at least once.
The B12 in duckweed isn't cyanocobalamin so it might not be stable. It might be destroyed in the manufacturing or it might decay over time. Also most things that contain omega 3 go rancid pretty quick. I'd love to try it fresh tho.
Wow! My son has been growing duck weed in his water plant tanks. There's a bowl of it growing in my kitchen, just cuz it's so cute! It's so easy to grow and proliferates so quickly. I'm gonna start eating it!
Oatmeal + hemp seeds for breakfast and you have almost all your iron you need as well as just about every other necessary mineral. But other foods are whole grains, legumes, nuts/seeds, leafy greens, etc
Thanks for responding. I saw a comment about mushrooms on a b12 video once so I was only curious . But anyways I just remembered : nutritional yeast is also a great source of b12
@@Charles-sj7zl We only recently discovered that the Lentein in Clean Green Protein contains B-12, so it is not reflected on our current labels. We will be adding the "approximately 38%DV B-12" to the new labels on our next product run in a few months. The Lentein in our product does contain B-12 and always has, we just didn't know until recently.
I checked out the retail product mentioned and per serving the label lists >800 mg ALA from Lentein but no B12. Hopefully we'll see other Duckweed providers other than Lentein get to market to combat the kind of price fixing we've seen with vegan DHA.
Honestly, this stuff is so expensive that I think nutritional yeast is just a better option if someone is unwilling to take b12 supplements for whatever reason ... though I would find it ironic if someone were unwilling to take b12 supplements while simultaneously be willing to take lentein supplements.
Want to know how our guts absorb it. While our daily requirement is low, Dr Greger recommends quite a high level to be taken as a supplement because quite a small amount is absorbed by our bodies right? Or will we absorb all of it cos it's in a plant? Looking forward to hearing more about this. Though doubt it will be available here in my adopted country of Egypt for another decade lol 😉🤣
You may already have the plant, just ask around. Egypt is an old country. I can't imagine the shipping on an already super pricey product. A few of us are suspecting this powdered product may not even have the b12 we're looking for...why would they list all other nutrient on the label except the b12?
Bart Kay has superior scientific expertise & He has been trying to arrange a debate with Mic for awhile now with little success, Get Mic to Debate Bart so we can see where Vegans truly stand. Bart will show you exactly how Mic misinforms you people with studies which don't actually back up his claims in the slightest. Mic knows you guys don't fact check and he knows you need confirmation bias. So he's pretty comfortable misinforming blatantly. Bart will expose every lie and tactic Mic uses. That is obviously why Mic is ducking and weaving away from debating Bart in the first place. If his position was truly and honestly superior, He would have no problem debating anyone. But a real scientist... Now that's too hard for him. He speaks science but won't debate a scientist lmao - what a dishonest pussy Dr Greger has been shown to lie, Bart would happily debate Greger aswell. Don't go vegan until you see the whole picture, and there's plenty you're not shown by the vegan community. Your health should always be a higher priority than zealotry
@@m00nlighted It is impossible to "go vegan" in the modern world. Animal products are in everything from the electronic device you used to post your comment to the internet you used to upload to youtube servers that save it. So basically you proved just by commenting that you can't "go vegan". Maybe that takes too many brain cells for you to understand.
This was the very first video I watched in 2020. What an awesome piece of news. Funny how the answers man kind search for, so often happen to be there right under our noses. Thanks Mic.
Nori, the seaweed used to wrap sushi, is a good source for B12. However, only for adults. It has the opposite effect on kids - depleting their B12 so in their case a raw version of it is recommended.
@@plantmanpov That could be, but is it fat soluble or water soluble? Even B12 supplements might raise serum B12, but being water soluble they might not actually get used by the body like fat soluble B12 in animal foods. We don't know enough about nutrition science to know even supplementing B12 works, maybe liposomal B12.
*No ducks were harmed in the growing and harvesting of duckweed*
Louis Gedo that quacked me up!
@@allee3476 Yours was punny!
Unlike foi gras
Ever been to a duck doo
What the duck?? Lol
I knew it. As a biologist and educator, I have been stating that it is highly unlikely that only animals incorporated B12 producing bacteria. I'm surprised Mike didn't mention endosymbiotic theory featuring mitochondria and chloroplasts. :-) I think we will continue to find more and more edible plants that facilitate this. Mitochondria and chloroplast ancestors probably could as well. I'll have to do some digging. Keep up the good work!
There is also evidence that Lactobacillus reuteri CRL1098 Produces Cobalamin (or vitamin B12). (See: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC193752/). Think sourdough bread!! At least 4 L. reuteri strains have been found to produce B12! (Tempeh can contain large amounts of B12 - See: Enhanced vitamin B12 production in an innovative lupin tempeh is due to synergic effects of Rhizopus and Propionibacterium in cofermentation. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29041832 ).
Mitochondria and Chloroplasts in eukaryots don't produce B12 as far as I know? They gave up a lot of their genes and basically only kept the ones for stuff like oxidative phosphorylation and some t and rRNA. Still would be cool if they did
@@DaniEla-ox9gx , Yes, I know. That's why I said the ancestors of them.
There is NO plant source of B12 . You have to contaminate that plant with pathogenic bacteria and grow it on animal by products : casein and gelatin in highly control environment.
Hahahahazz @ "biologist and educator" !!
@@blonderider2650 Did you watch the video; better yet, did you read the study? You are probably referring to experimental plots in Israel. The species of bacteria providing the B12 is not a pathogenic form. There is no evidence of this. Yes, I am a college Biology Professor (many schools) with a Masters in Biology and a Doctoral Candidate in Science Education. I am also a Doctor of Science Student in Integrative Health. Nothing I stated warranted your mocking. With that said, from the actual study: "The B12 in the Mankai is not a bacterial contaminant (disinfecting and washing the surface of the plant do not reduce the B12 content)". Yeah, keep your laughs to yourself. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. There are other non-animal sources of B12 as well (which is the point that vegans have to keep making). www.researchgate.net/publication/329559531_Protein_bioavailability_of_Wolffia_globosa_duckweed_a_novel_aquatic_plant_-_A_randomized_controlled_trial
Only Mic the Vegan 🌱 could make a 13 minute video about pond plants 🌱 so interesting. Well done 👍
Actually aquarium maintenance and fish keeping channels do it all the time lol
It's because he actually sources his info and has an educated detailed opinion to say about it haha, it's just just fluff highlights like many infotainment vids
In very Greger-like fashion, Mic is presenting a hypothesis as a fact. If B12 is actually present in duckweed instead of a pseudo-B12, the association with endophytic is just a hypothesis. Regardless, below is a letter response to the paper on Mankai that Mic flashed in his gish gallop. It's not clear whether or not, duckweed has B12 or pseudo B12. A press release from a company trying to push duckweed as a source of B12 also is a pretty poor source to start one's argument with.
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Jahreis, G., Appenroth, K.-J., Sree, K. S., & Dawczynski, C. (2019). Letter to original article by Kaplan et al. 2018 - Protein bioavailability of Wolffia globosa duckweed, a novel aquatic plant, A randomized controlled trial.
DOI: doi.org/10.1016/j.clnu.2019.07.007
"...Plants contain a large spectrum of corrinoids and an analytical differentiation between active and inactive corrinoids is challenging. Interestingly, Watanabe and Bito [2] investigated cobalamin compounds in foods and found a high proportion of pseudo vitamin B12 compounds in plant foods.
Moreover, the vitamin B12 content of test meals containing Mankai was higher than that of test meals with soft cheese (Table1). It is important to state here that dairy products are a well-known natural source of active vitamin B12. Considering the results presented by Watanabe and Bito [2] there is a probability that the ones analyzed in Mankai, with the method used, were pseudo vitamin B12 or inactive corrinoids.
In the clinical studies concerning determination of vitamin B12 in blood, competitive electrochemiluminescent immunoassay
“ECLIA” (Cobas 8000, Roche Diagnostics, Mannheim, Germany) was used. However, this assay cannot differentiate cobalamins from inactive corrinoids.
In the present report, the serum concentration of vitamin B12 did not change significantly from baseline values after 180 min, but the differences between the Mankai group verses the soft cheese group as well as the green peas group were significant.
The variation in and between the subjects was very high. The results presented in this section are not in coherence with those in Table 1. The decrease of serum vitamin B12 concentration after consumption of the soft cheese test meal (Table 3) are not plausible because vitamin B12 content in soft cheese test meal was 1.16 mg. Likewise, the increase of vitamin B12 concentration after intake of green peas is also not acceptable, as green peas test meal did not contain vitamin B12 (Table 1). The vitamin B12 concentrations present a high standard deviation, which underlines the analytical challenges involved herein
The authors hypothesize that the presence of vitamin B12 in Mankai is because of its association with endophytic bacteria. The
identification of these bacteria and basic characterization of their role, if any, in pathogenesis in humans is the minimum requirement from a scientific point of view, as Mankai is planned to be used for human nutrition.
In our opinion, the authors' conclusion that Mankai is a potential bioavailable source of vitamin B12 is premature and further
research in humans is of urgent need to draw the right conclusions."
Duckweed is a bio-accumulator that typically grew and grows in stagnant mineral rich waters with fish, birds and reptiles. Duckweed bio-accumulates nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium and a lot of heavy metals. So, any B12, if it indeed is B12 and not pseudo B12, may be simply due to the duckweed bio-accumulating the B12 from animal and fish manures.
@@REGENETARIANISM This duckweed is inoculated with pathogens under controlled conditions and produced with animal components like casein and gelatin - go read the patent.
according to the methods of production there are a lot of toxic by products during the manufacturing process.
When there is one, chances are there is more than one...
so true, we still have a lot to learn about b12
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5788147/
2018 Jan; 243(2): 148-158.
Published online 2017 Dec 7. doi: 10.1177/1535370217746612
PMCID: PMC5788147. PMID: 29216732
Vitamin B12 sources and microbial interaction
Lists various plant sources of B12, with citations:
Yep!!
Yes
That's why I'll never go vegan. Because there's probably a ton of nutritionts that are only found in animal products that we haven't discovered yet.
Yep, ton of nutrients that are know to reduce life span👍...
I’ll have and impossible whopper, no mayo, with extra duck weed.
saintⓋearth ...same
saintⓋearth pooh I got a a better one. I'll have what they're having.😎💆🏾👏🏾👍🏾
They put mayo on the impossible whopper at BK?!?
@@posivibe989 Yep. You have to ask it without.
@@posivibe989 BK puts mayo on the impossible whopper, and Carl's puts mayo on their beyond burger. When are these guys gonna wake up and offer vegan mayo 'cause it's just as good, right?!
FINALLY! I've been researching water lentils for a while!! The endosymbiotic bacteria produces b12!!!
Awesome, email any additional thoughts or info to mic@micthevegan.com plzzzzz
@@MictheVegan I left some links in the research channel of your discord so everyone can check them out
Duckweed is actually the bigger flowering plant of the two. The one that is being studied is called watermeal /water eggs/water lentils/khai-nam /wolffia globosa
@@MictheVegan you are an idiot. It's been know that b12 is absorbed by plants for YEARS now.. you simply do not understand microbiology.
Stop trying to "figure" this stuff out.
@@MictheVegan "might not be the only plant with b12 in it"
DUH. water cress, smallest flower in the world, soy
The answer is always in nature 🌱
Yah meat is a part of nature
@Within. Without. wow thanks, I've been vegan for years feeling great, then I read your comment and it totally changed my mind!
@UCN3IFwIYDcWsbYKUyhI6dHw my thoughts exactly - most plants are poison for human if not processed/cooked, seems unlikely that cavemen would waste time to find plants, when there is meat available plentyful. They would spend all day looking for and cooking plants/vegetables or kill a antilope and eat for days.
Vegans are removed from Nature though
Be careful with that one
It's official. This is THE BEST news of 2019.
Duckweed is a bio-accumulator that typically grew in stagnant waters with fish, birds and reptiles. Duckweed bio-accumulates nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium and a lot of heavy metals. So, any B12, if it indeed is B12 and not pseudo B12, may be simply that the duckweed bio-accumulated the B12 from animal and fish manures.
@@REGENETARIANISM animals don't produce b12, if that was so then cows at farms weren't being given supplements since they're fed soybeans. All b12 comes from bacteria that lives on grass and in the soil which (the grass) the ruminants ingest and accumulate. So duckweed contains b12 not from an animal source, but from its original dispenser - bacteria.
Edit: research "Australia's Bush Disease" - its what happens when cattle is let to feed on b12-bacteria depleted soils. (Spoiler: they die since they don't make b12 themselves)
@@justdude2775💯💯
I grew duckweed in lab in uni! It proliferates so quickly. We were playing with N and P levels in the water to see how it affected plant growth. This was an environmental water science class. This is awesome. So sustainable.
Interested in ur findings
That's so cool. I actually grow duckweed for my pet ducks and chickens as a food source, now I'll have to grow more for my family who are vegan except for one who is vegetarian but we are working on that.
Ballet Boy NZ How do you grow it?
@@i.e.presents638 I just grow it in large containers and plastic ponds outside and top with rainwater which I collect if the water level goes down too much in the summer, otherwise just leave the duckweed to grow. I do feed it a small amount of the liquid from my worm farms every now and then. Very easy to grow.
I wanna grow duckweed one day
@@serenaally Give it a go, it's so easy.
Be careful of calcium oxalate in duckweed, which is toxic in large doses
Duckweed is some dank herb.
🤣🤣 facts
VEGAN MOTIVATION: Went vegan at 13, not rich, non vegan family, and still vegan nearly 4 years later. If I can do it, so can you!🌱💚
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Wearephuct O there a purpose to this comment?
Jabari is doing great, and has a unique POV and is definitely getting strong all the time. Worth checking out.
Subbed! Tfs😘
Jabari me 15 same
Isn´t nature just amazing?
@Oompa Loompa Aaaw boohoo. And here you thought people would get angry, but fortunately we are not as immature and infantile as you are.....
Oompa Loompa oh no!!! I was able to deal with thanksgiving and Christmas with non vegan family members, but this...this comment on a comment...is the last straw. I can no longer care about my health, the environment or other sentient beings, because ChIcKeN TaStEs GoOd.
@Oompa Loompa Haha You are as stupid as you sound. I am not vegan. Just goes to show how little you use your brain... You are the only one that sounds like you are in a cult. What is it like to be as dumb as you are?
Oompa Loompa healthy for a bear or lion sure, but for you and I, not so much. Fish and chicken are high in saturated fat and cholesterol, the two biggest risk factors for heart disease, our number one killer. You’re barking up the wrong tree kid, quit while you’re behind.
Guys, what's this "cuit" Oompa speaks of?
I knew it! My vegan siblings who live in Asia have never taken b12 supplements. They are getting it in their food. We have yet to still learn a lot about b12 sources. They've been Vegan for over a decade for those who doubt and vegetarian even longer. ( And yes, I plan to transition too but lifestyle and food in US makes it much harder). Thanks for the video, made my day.
Duckweed - water lentils - have been eaten in South East Asia for a long time.
Mushrooms are high in vitb12
@@ritalawson7020 Read this article before relying on mushrooms or any other source. I am vegan, btw.
Title "Vitamin B12 in Plant Foods"
by Jack Norris, RD (also vegan)
"Summary
In the published research, one plant food, chlorella, has been shown to have vitamin B12 activity in humans; there are caveats that you should be aware of before relying on it (see below). The only other plant food that has been tested is nori, which did not have B12 activity.
A number of foods, arguably, warrant further attention. Makai, a type of duckweed, has shown promise for containing active B12 due to synergistic bacteria living inside the plant. But unless these foods are shown to consistently improve B12 status, vegans should not rely on them for vitamin B12.
It cannot be emphasized enough that until a particular food, obtained from multiple regions, consistently improves vitamin B12 status (by lowering MMA levels) in humans, it should not be relied upon as a source of vitamin B12." -from "Vegan Health" Organization's web site
"Tiny plant" super cute🌱🐱
Like tiny ducklings in a pond. 🐣💞
Hi yes I have seen these plants before. They are fascinating.
@@bonchidude can't wait to try em.
@@zeenohaquo7970 :)
An interesting fact is how few edible plants we actually use:
"Scientists at the Royal Botanic Gardens at Kew have estimated that the number of species of plants alive on the earth today is probably in excess of 400,000. Of these it is thought that many more than half of them could be considered edible to humans. It is entirely possible that we could eat an amazing 300,000 plant species. However, the reality is that we only consume a tiny fraction of what is possible. Homo sapiens, which is the most cosmopolitan of all species and one that thrives by virtue of being a supreme generalist, survives, by routinely eating only about 200 plant species. Amazingly more than half of the calories and the proteins that we derive from plants are provided by just three crops: maize, rice, and wheat." - John Warren, The Nature of Crops
Clearly many of the plants classed as "edible" are not necessarily palatable, but in a world freed from the profit motive (i.e. socialism/anarchism), resources could be directed towards the selective breeding of all these plants to produce palatable varieties, which could potentially enormously expand the possibilities within plant-based diets.
Nowadays, we think of plant-based diets as boring and limited, as compared to ones that include meat, but in theory they could be far more exciting - if it's the case that we only routinely eat 200 plant species out of a possible total of 300,000, that means we only consume 0.067% of edible plants. If you consider the fact that we consume even fewer sources of meat: pigs, cows, chickens, turkey, sheep/lamb, and goat make up most of them, then that means that all the dishes ever cooked in human history thus far have been produced with a remarkably limited set of ingredients compared to what could be done with all the unknown edible plants.
Count Cuckula As a kid we had plants in our garden that we would use for nettle stings etc. You think about it, the human race survived for years with natural remedies for pretty much everything. I still believe conventional medicine has its place though. Since being vegan any viral infection I’ve had has been fought off with hot and sour soup, and ginger with lemon. I very rarely have to take painkillers....and it’s all down to the power of plants.
Great point, and that percentage of utilized potential food sources would be even tinier if we were to factor in edible fungi!
Its incredible that such an easy plant to cultivate provides this amazing vitamin
Years back, I read that Dr. Suzuki mentioned there being more than 50,000 known edible plants (I think we eat between 3 and 8 thousand). I have been wondering for years if humans would find b-12 and other good stuff in a plant we don't much think of eating.
@@EricJackson76 non of that was mentioned in this comment.
First they ridicule you, then they fight you, then they either join you or die off. (Carnivores an endangered form of human??) Lol love you stranger.
Eric Jackson someone seems a bit triggered
Good point
Eric Jackson Lentein is a processed powder. The b12 is in the duck weed or has the meat clogged your ears as well as your arteries 🙄
Funny thing people have already been eating it. We just didn’t know it was jam packed with B12, Omega-3 and protein
Duckweed is a small aquatic plant that is rich in nutrients, but its vitamin B12 content is generally considered to be limited. Vitamin B12 is mainly found in significant amounts in animal products, and its presence in plant-based foods is often scarce or in forms not easily absorbed by humans.
While some research suggests that certain strains of duckweed might contain small amounts of B12, it's not typically considered a reliable source of this vitamin, especially for individuals following a vegetarian or vegan diet. The B12 found in duckweed might be in an inactive form, and its bioavailability for human absorption is a topic of ongoing research.
Our ancestors were getting their B12 from the bacteria in streams and incidentally ingested dirt. But ingested duckweed is definitely plausible.
This Christmas Eve made 11 years since I stopped eating animals (I was 9), and I’ve only recently started taking B12 supplements. It’s easy, but it would be great if I could introduce these into my diet.
Also thank you for the video lol I clicked so fast cause I was excited 😆
Suede 2 tea spoons of nutritional yeast a day is all the b12 you need :) I highly recommend you get some it’s super healthy and adds a lot of good flavor it’s really good to put on tofu eggs or veggie burgers
@@rm8116 Nutritional yeast is my favorite way to get B-12. I'm not sure how I lived without it, before!
Evan Kennedy I had no idea! Thank you so much, I’ll look into it 😊
@@rm8116 not all nooch is fortified with b12
@@Iyanluh Anthony's nutritional yeast has 1000% of your daily recommended allowance of B12 in just 1.5 tablespoons. You can find it on Amazon easily.
Since you can only absorb just 33% of your daily per meal anyway, just use a tiny amount per meal and you'll be golden. I add a half a teaspoon in my salad, smoothie, tofu scramble, or anything else I may wish. It has a cheese like smell so most use it as a cheese substitute in things like potato and carrot vegan cheese sauce or anything like homemade tofu ricotta cheese. some even sprinkle it on pasta, again, as a cheese substitute.
Most soy milk also is fortified with B12 too. I hope that helps you to get your B12 daily, but please use a B12 supplement anyway once or twice a week unless a Doctor recommends otherwise.
Joe Rogan, Chris Kressler, & Raw Alignment disliked this video.
Rex Buyeo of course! They fragile af...
And a couple more vegan haters out there
So did Kalel, Kasumi, Rawvanna, and Blaire White
Can we give Rogan a bit of slack? It’s not like he wasn’t receptive to the information he was being given.
Don't forget about Shawn Baker and Frank Tufano.
This is a great video! I was already blown away by the nutrition facts of lentein, but I had no idea it also had B12!
I am always amazed at how you manage to extensively cover a topic in just a few minutes. Again, thanks for making us aware by sharing your screening of most recent studies. I could have just missed this valuable information for quite some time without your contribution. And the fallouts in terms of malnourishment fight, hydroponics or validity of self-sustained vegan lifestyle are huge.
This is one of my favorite plants in the whole world. I always make sure that no matter where I live I have it growing at least in a small water feature if I don't have a big pond. I would never eat my own because when I get it I get it from the woods and there's a chance of getting things like roundworm and flukes just parasites in general because it's pond water that is wild and that's normal. One of the biggest ways that people get parasites is from plants that are around fish that have parasites or other animals like frogs toads what have you. I would love to have a controlled batch growing inside somewhere that came from a clean source. That would just throw me to death because I love the plant like crazy! I get so excited when it starts growing I just bring home a little teeny drop of it and stick my finger in the water and come out in a few days and it's starting to cover the whole surface. Even though I live in Washington state mosquitoes still lay their eggs in any Stillwater. And where there's mosquito larvae there's roundworms it's just one of those things. I could probably add copper but then I'd be adding copper to these little plants? I always wondered if they were edible which is a terrible thing to think about your cute little pet plants but you know. Thank you this was a really exciting video👣🥀🥦🐾🖤
That's so wonderful!! I am exactly the same - I love duckweed so much because growing up we had a huge pond that always had duckweed in the spring and summer. Duckies would come and eat it but many years the duckweed was so prolific it'd cover the entire surface (the pond was kidney-shaped, roughly 80' by 40'). I loved seeing the duckweed grow more and more, and also the trails of the dark water trailing behind the duckies as they swam through it.
I'm also from Washington state too! Small world :)
@@hiking1388 and being in this state one thing you can have is a beautiful garden! You can grow things for beauty you can grow things for food mixed together and that some of the things that are for beauty or most of the things that are for beauty or food it's a great place to have a garden. Of course having a greenhouse helps. All I know is being surrounded by all that beauty is really good for you or at least me it's been part of my family for Generations unfortunately ones that I had to just hear stories about because they passed before I was born but I grew up with their plants in my yard. My mother is very good at teaching me about what our family did and how we guard and and just everything my family's been in Washington sense there is no such thing as West Seattle or the Central District or Georgetown there weren't anything but a couple of little circles and they were named the same thing my grandma was here and there very early 1800s which people always question me about but I think she lived out in the country where it wasn't name and then they named it and built houses. We've probably crossed paths before I've been here forever sure has changed I don't really like it anymore now that I don't have my family I was born late so people passed and all the landmarks disappeared. At my age I could probably move out pretty far did the off grid thing live off the land and civilization won't hit me Till I'm Gone. It's much cheerier to me than it sounds your Pond sounds like it was beautiful!
Take care of yourself!
@@gomezaddams6470 Yes Washington is very special, I am currently living in Europe but visit whenever I can...Washington will always be my home! I am sure your family has such stories to tell, I hope you've written some of them down, even your own on growing up in our lovely state.
I quite envy people who can go live off grid, I know people who've done that (down to needing to chop firewood to heat up water for a bath). It's my dream to be able to live out in some place like Marblemount and garden and hike, one day soon I hope!
Washington has changed even since I was a kid, but I hope you're at least able to enjoy the sea and the mountains a bit. And of course the greenery - the older I get the more I need to be surrounded by greenery :)
Oh and since watching Mic's video, here's a video youtube recommended to me about using duckweed in a survival situation: ua-cam.com/video/eQKzlvyU-tk/v-deo.html
Please take care of yourself too, I am always so happy to meet people with stories about Washington :)
could you plz explain why if there's mosquito larvae there's also roundworms? I'm both fascinated and terrified of parasites and always on the search for new info about the topic
@Berserker wrong. I'm not a parasite to the earth even though some people are. there is no such thing as a good parasite, that's an oxymoron. you clearly don't know the definition of parasite
In Swedish this plant is called 'andmat' which means 'mallard food'
This could be a ‘game changer’ ! Awesome! Thank you.
I felt that smug smile right at the beginning, now there are no excuses.
There never was. At least not since supplements were created.
Carina Ekström it bypasses the people who say NaTuRe ThO
Now we can say duckweed 😁
@@stephaniemyers4516 you realize it's been known since the 50s that meat eaters are more likely to be b12 deficent. Also animal products aren't a good vehicle for b12 because of the acid environment. The b12 starts to degrade as soon as the animal dies..
It's the antibiotics in animal products that damage the endothelial cells in the stomach that destroys intrinsic factor, which carries b12 from the stomach to the illieum to be absorbed
Gylcosphate (sp) works in a similar manner
@@carinaekstrom1 which is more likely- vegans need b12 or meat eaters need b12, so they accuse vegans of not getting enough...
It's the same thing meat eaters have done qith protein, vitamin A etc etc etc..
The b12 industry sells 80% of its b12 to fharmers who feed the supplement to their farm animals... humans buy the rest, and no one needs it except for people who eat antibiotics in their food and people with issues like stomach cancer or other stomach problems
I love sea buckthorn. It's a common berry where i live. I always felt a bit discouraged when i was seeing youtube videos with fancy stuff like oatmeal with blueberries and hemp seeds, but it seems i have my own power food as well.
Great news!! Def gonna check out the Lentein and the Clean Machine. Thanks for always keeping us informed as well as entertained!!
Thanks for bringing this to my attention!
I'm on the duck weed. ..... Oh, nevermind. No ducks here.
I'm investing in Duck Weed... Oh, never mind. No money here.
Wow! Yet another plant that provides an extraordinary amount of quality nutrients...
I found it being sold on Amazon, but the label says nothing about B12 or the quantity per serving. For something that is so important to vegans, and therefore a big selling point, it seems strange. I'll wait until they show that on the label.
everyone will have to reprint their labels which is expensive but we could also just send the COA separately
Thanks so much!
these videos are always super scientific but also super enjoyable idk how
NIce, sounds like a near perfect plant food, thanks for the info!
This is great for people like me who have a B-12 deficiency! Thanks for the new research info!
Mushrooms are high. In vit b 12
What You Need To Know About Vitamin B12 - Vegan Diets
Jan. 7, 2021
Physicians Committee
What is vitamin B12, and why do you need it? How much B12 do you need per day? Which form of B12 is best? What is a normal B12 level?
Do you have questions about vitamin B12? Neal Barnard, MD, is here to answer some of the the most asked questions regarding vitamin B12!
B12 is an essential nutrient that you need for healthy nerves and blood. B12 is not made by either animals or plants, but by bacteria. On a vegan diet you’ll need to get B12 either as a supplement, which you’ll find in all drug stores and many food stores, or through fortified foods, like B12-fortified soy milk.
Such good news, the year is starting beautifully !
As always, thank you for your hard work!
Happy new year 2020
I love this! B12 in plants. Wonderful!
Mushrooms are high in vit b 12
Hopefully it will be available in the produce aisle rather than just a ground up powder found in the supplement aisle.
Cheers Mic! Excellent video, super interesting to see Duckweed in all its symbiotic glory and pretty amusing that there seems to be a bunch of other common plants with moderate amounts of bioactive b12.
Love the channel Mic, your content is great and what the world needs more of. Been raw vegan over 18 years now, youtube did not even exist back then. What a great resource for people now a days.
I’ve tried the Green machine protein it’s super good, a bit expensive though. Didn’t know about the B12 thanks for the video!
Am i missing it or is B12 not on the ingredient label??
It's a mix of this, pea protein, and sweetener/thickeners
I'm really excited by this development..... Strange B-12 doesn't appear on the label.....
@@robertusga it's a different company that is doing the funding for it that's why probably
@Real Source does yours have bioactive B12?
Greetings from Portugal. 🇵🇹
Heard about Lentine a while ago...didn't know it had b12 too! Anti vegans foiled again lol
Gerardo Argueta dont you hate when people overgeneralize by saying “they’re all horrible people”?
@@TechnoBro999 got his ass..
@Gerardo Argueta So we are horrific just because we are spreading awareness? So how much veganism can you tolerate before it becomes "horrific" for you??
@Gerardo Argueta It is the animal products industries that are making consumer's sick and the majority of patients in Hospitals and that have to see their GP regularly are non vegans. The animal products industries are already controlling the majority of the population because vegans only make up 1% of the world's population.
@Gerardo Argueta if Agenda 21 is true then that is why they push for grassfed animal products. Most people in the world cannot afford to eat so much meat as the Westen societies do. But if the Elite dream about grassfed animal products for everyone then they need to kill billions of humans since there isn't enough space to raise only such animals for food. Don't be gullible - plants sustain many more people, so no need to kill billions.
Wow, I do recall watching an interview from a few years back with Geoff Palmer discussing Lentein. He was saying his protein powder was the first to contain it. Didn't hear much about otherwise until now. Cool stuff.
I think most of us would find it difficult to eat more than one or two 'fresh' Sea Buckthorn berries. They taste like a very 'zingy' super-concentrated orange juice. That might sound nice, but I have tried them and one berry was quite enough. So if you was going to pick your own, I'd suggest putting them through a juicer with some blander stuff to tone it down a bit.
If you want to grow your own Sea Buckthorn plant, ensure your soil is well-drained (preferably sandy and stony), and the area is very sunny and not too sheltered. (I found they do not survive in the very wet, humid, dull weather I have here in inland Scotland).
The Inula helenium sounds interesting as well. Definitely one for next year's seed list. It's another one for a sunny part of the garden, but is less exacting than the Sea Buckthorn so has a better chance of growing in damper climates.
Wheatgrass grows easily in most places as many of you already know. The trick is trying to stop other animals from eating it all before you get a chance!
Sorry, but I'm old enough to remember when the same claim was being made for spirulina and similar plants which proved to contain analogues. They showed up as B12 in tests but did not deliver. I'm going to require some really, really solid evidence.
Nori is the dried seaweed that sushi is wrapped in. Korean nori contains substantial bioactive B12.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19256490 (2009): "all Korean laver products tested contain true vitamin B(12), but not inactive corrinoid compounds", "These results suggest that Korean purple laver products would be excellent vitamin B(12) sources for humans, especially vegetarians."
Dried purple nori has been shown to cure B12 deficiency in rats: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11430774 (2001).
@@johnwilliamson9657 This doesn't have much to do with their comment. They're looking for solid evidence that these forms of B12 are actually bioavailable and not analogues. There isn't enough evidence yet, so for now we should stick to nutritional yeast or whatever as that's fortified with cyanocobalamin which is proven to be bioavailable.
@@ReasonMakes I quoted the exact words of the paper which refute your claims. Try rereading my comment above carefully (hint: it's the bit where it says "true vitamin B(12)", not analogues.
Nori is a good source of B12.
In order to determine if the food is bioactive, they have to feed it to animals or humans and look for evidence of B-12 metabolism indirectly.
Chlorella has bioactive B-12 (and it is a plant, albeit single-celled). Spirulina doesn't. In fact Spirulina has an inactive form that competes with the bioactive form.
According to results of a study, this B12 is in fact active, as tested by feeding humans duckweed patties or some other edible form of it and measuring B12 in blood later.
I want to try some now! I also feel like I’ve had sea buckthorn or at least heard of it. Aqua culture excites me, as does vertical farming. Oh, the possibilities!!!
I am from south Africa and I used to see that around, didnt know it could be so important.
In the book, Soylent Green is a mixture of Soy and Lentils. This Duckweed could replace both of those. All the more reason to make vegan products with it.
This is incredible news! Mic, you never let me down!!!
No sense trying to guess if ancestors ate duck weed for B12 when we know they ate meat.
@Jonah Whale No, why would I mean something so wrong and stupid? Seasonal animals? and it's the vegans and other far left totalitarians who are responsible for most of the slavery, rape, intolerance and murder in our world. Eat some beef and grow up.
@sick vegan that's called the False Dichotomy fallacy. It automatically makes you wrong. If you are wrong, perhaps you had better rethink your premises.
But many people/populations, for many days, eat meat only. Some for months, some for lifetimes and generations. NO society flourishes on a vegan diet, usually they die off and have to recruit from healthy idiots to last for more than one generation.
Of course the best practice is an animal based, whole foods diet, that includes some vegetables.
See, that's the difference between normal people and you. We are not controlling and obsessed.
You want to force people to do your stilted and disastrous diet, instead of just doing it your self and dying quietly. We don't care what you eat. You are the insane effectless totalitarian and we are basically sitting over here laughing at you.
Been vegan for almost 4 years now and luckily for me I went vegan right in my lifting phase so carnists can't say I'm only big because of meat. I don't even take b12 supplements. Guess you carnists are gonna have to find a new argument🤷🏿♂️
You should really take b12
You should take a B12 supplement unless you eat fortified food.
@@NoExitLoveNow i drink soymilk all the time so I should have no issues.
That's great! Me either, 39 years
Jabari fortified soy milk, I presume? Just make sure you’re getting enough just in case. That’s the only major thing you really need to be careful about
EVERYBODY REMAIN CALM
Wait, we are just gonna gloss over the fact that Sea Buckthorn also contains high amounts of naturally occuring B12 vitamin through a symbiosis with a bacteria, what gives, that is amazing news. It is also a rich source in Vitamin C, making it ideal for iron absorption, now I wanna know where I can get fresh/frozen sea buckthorn, as I imagine dried sea buckthorn has very few remnants of water soluble vitamins 🙂
This is awesome thanks MIC!
So damn good!
Keep up the great work M8
Vitamin B12... it’s got what plants crave.
Idiocracy reference! God I love Mics channel!
It's about time?
This made me insanely happy!!!☺️🌱❤️
Thank you 🙏🏾 for this
We should find a new name for that plant if it's going to be omnipresent in the future.
water lentils!
aqua lentil?
Being vegan in the 20s is gonna be awesome !
"Being vegan in the 20s is gonna be impossible!"
Fixed that for you.
Janie Swanson fool
@@dyl9922 Calling me a fool while using your electronic device made with animal products on the internet made with animal products on youtube servers using animal products loses a lot of it's impact.
You on the other hand I could call a fool and a hypocrite and it makes perfect sense.
Janie Swanson okay then please prove to me of this nonsense that you speak of and then maybe I’ll possibly take you seriously 👌🏽
@@janieswanson2549 Don't let perfectionism be the enemy of progress.
Be careful not to supplement too much B12, though. I took a lot for many months and developed rashes from it.
I did the same, but experienced no side effects whatsoever.
@@UTF016 Perhaps it doesn't affect everyone?
What???
You're awesome.
Thank you for the info!
Great news! Do you know if the particular strains highlighted can be obtained to grow at home? Not sure if you said only particular stains were edible for humans? Duckweed will grow very prolifically in home aquariums. Also as you mentioned it's cultivation does not seem to be dependent upon animal (factory farmed/sea food industry) sourced fertilizers as are most organically grown produce.
I want a cultivar to grow, not some product in a bottle.
My thoughts exactly. Duckweed is so easy to grow, I just want a source for the most nutritious species/variety.
That aquaculture setup is so cool! 😍
Maybe this stuff could be grown as space food.
That gives ideas
@@brucepugh1536 NASA is already researching it for the trip to Mars.
If that's true, that's interesting. I wish there were more studies on B12 in plants, and if some do contains B12, I want them to be sold in my country. No more excuses from carnists saying "But you have to take a supplement tho".
Joe Rogan says that...and takes supplements.
reading is my sauce omnivores actually don’t have to take supplements. (Both should probably take vitamin d, if they live in a place without much sun) Assuming both omnivores and vegans are eating optimal diets, the vegan will have to take omega 3, and b12 at the very least.
@@godofnothing428 Why do you bring Omega 3 ? Chia seeds are a good source of omega 3, i've never heard vegans should supplement in Omega 3, especially since we don't know what the optimal level of omega 3 is yet...
If what the video claim is true, then no, vegans don't necessarily have to take a supplement, since there are plant sources of B12.
Some also claim that it is possible to get it from traces of dirt and untreated water.
Some anecdotal evidences like Fiona Oakes seems to indicate that it may not be necessary to supplement, depending on your lifestyle.
A study presented in this extract seems to confirm that : ua-cam.com/video/pbUXfdUUEqM/v-deo.html
Kerbi delsol you clearly know how to do research, so you should know that plant based omega 3’s convert to ala which is very ineffective at being used by the body.
I’m not familiar with the studies presented in this video so I’ll concede this one.
God Of nothing Technically ominvores *are* taking supplements, just not directly. Farm animals are given supplements of B12, so anyone eating those animals are getting them second-hand.
Love this! Always awesome to hear more reasons to eat plants!!!
This is amazing... Thanks again for your research! 👍
I wonder if the Duckweed Burger industry I just created in my head will give the soy burger people a run for their money. Perhaps I should jump on that train.
Just add hem in it...your good!
I'm still gonna be getting my B12 from endless Monster energy drinks
Lol to both of you!
Dan McDonald showed us that a vegan YT channel could thrive.
Durianrider taught us how to do it.
Vegan Gainz showed us how to make viral vegan YT vids.
Mic the Vegan showed us how to make the best, most informative vegan content.
@Halberdier I hope Esselstyn and Davis are on that list too
Durianrider got famous because of Freelee and her body.
Also Aloe Vera has precursors to B12 somthing like that I believe and it also may help the absorption and utilization for B12 as well
Been growing sea buckthorn for a couple years now, how exciting!
@Jonah Whale Oh yeah, sea buckthorn is awesome, and makes the most refreshing sorbet on the planet. **According to my peer reviewed studies. :) Also, I grow it veganic permaculture style and live in the cold wet mountains of Germany, no where near the coast.
Evolution in action. The planet wants to survive too, my guess is we will see a lot more plant sources of b12 pop up in the not so distant future.
Very cool information - Duckweed !
so where can we buy this stuff?
cammer if you can’t find it anywhere near you you can order
Some
www.realsourcefoods.com/products/water-lentil-superfood-made-with-lentein-pure-supergreen-superfood
But some seeds and grow it in a tank 😁
cleanmachineonline.com/pages/clean-green-protein
Fascinating!!! I can't wait to grow some!!
It’s funny so many people in the aquarium hobby have this in their tanks....we have before too but don’t currently....may start having it again....it grows super fast and easy....
Sounds like duck weed is the superest food.
nowhere on clean machine's packaging or website does it say anything about containing b12...
Brendan Bonney clam chowder has around 300% dv of b12 but most packages never mention it
@@ChessJitsu you would think that a product claiming to contain a true plant based source of b12 would have that written all over it, or at least once.
@@cinebonne I agree that's actually really strange, why would a vegan product not mention b12 knowing how crucial of a nutrient it is
The B12 in duckweed isn't cyanocobalamin so it might not be stable. It might be destroyed in the manufacturing or it might decay over time. Also most things that contain omega 3 go rancid pretty quick. I'd love to try it fresh tho.
They are going to reprint the label soon - but it's expensive and they can still supply all the necessary analytics separately if needed
Vegan check mate.
Thank you for the news, it is very interesting!
Wow! My son has been growing duck weed in his water plant tanks. There's a bowl of it growing in my kitchen, just cuz it's so cute! It's so easy to grow and proliferates so quickly. I'm gonna start eating it!
I'm going vegan tomorrow. I just have one question where do you get iron from?
ask Popeye
Oatmeal + hemp seeds for breakfast and you have almost all your iron you need as well as just about every other necessary mineral. But other foods are whole grains, legumes, nuts/seeds, leafy greens, etc
images.app.goo.gl/LBVEjvBHrd4ry7YYA
When you eat greens, add a bit of lemon or lime, it vastly increases iron absorption from the greens because of the vitamin C in the citrus.
Joanna Nichole DHA is a myth. Our bodies need ALA and studies done on this show we convert sufficient amounts into DHA to supply us with the RDI
Don't mushrooms contain b12 ?
Correct me if I'm wrong....
Edit: I just remembered that nutritional yeast has b12 !
Some do but they need to have special soil from what I have heard.
Mushrooms have Vitamin D.
You are wrong.
Very few of them do and it's not a lot. Shiitake appears to have bioactive B12 but you have to eat a ton.
Thanks for responding. I saw a comment about mushrooms on a b12 video once so I was only curious . But anyways I just remembered : nutritional yeast is also a great source of b12
Where can I buy this awesome plant?
cleanmachineonline.com/pages/clean-green-protein
Geoff Palmer I didn’t see B12 listed on the label just B6 and B2.
@@Charles-sj7zl We only recently discovered that the Lentein in Clean Green Protein contains B-12, so it is not reflected on our current labels. We will be adding the "approximately 38%DV B-12" to the new labels on our next product run in a few months. The Lentein in our product does contain B-12 and always has, we just didn't know until recently.
Geoff Palmer Thanks I watched the stream with HHV last night and learned of this.
I checked out the retail product mentioned and per serving the label lists >800 mg ALA from Lentein but no B12.
Hopefully we'll see other Duckweed providers other than Lentein get to market to combat the kind of price fixing we've seen with vegan DHA.
Email me and you'll get the info on B12
You can easily buy some of this at a pet store and it grows uncontrollably in an aquarium with bright light.
Honestly, this stuff is so expensive that I think nutritional yeast is just a better option if someone is unwilling to take b12 supplements for whatever reason ... though I would find it ironic if someone were unwilling to take b12 supplements while simultaneously be willing to take lentein supplements.
That's fine but this video is about naturally occurring sources, not fortified B12
the price will change. Also I'm sure it's easy enough to grow at home.
Yeah a bunch of people have said it grows in their fish tanks, so you can probably grow it at home for free
@@goku445 b12 doesn't naturally occur in nutritional yeast, it's often fortified with B12
Some nutritional yeast doesn't have it. Read labels.
Want to know how our guts absorb it. While our daily requirement is low, Dr Greger recommends quite a high level to be taken as a supplement because quite a small amount is absorbed by our bodies right? Or will we absorb all of it cos it's in a plant? Looking forward to hearing more about this. Though doubt it will be available here in my adopted country of Egypt for another decade lol 😉🤣
You may already have the plant, just ask around. Egypt is an old country. I can't imagine the shipping on an already super pricey product. A few of us are suspecting this powdered product may not even have the b12 we're looking for...why would they list all other nutrient on the label except the b12?
Bart Kay has superior scientific expertise & He has been trying to arrange a debate with Mic for awhile now with little success, Get Mic to Debate Bart so we can see where Vegans truly stand. Bart will show you exactly how Mic misinforms you people with studies which don't actually back up his claims in the slightest. Mic knows you guys don't fact check and he knows you need confirmation bias. So he's pretty comfortable misinforming blatantly. Bart will expose every lie and tactic Mic uses. That is obviously why Mic is ducking and weaving away from debating Bart in the first place. If his position was truly and honestly superior, He would have no problem debating anyone. But a real scientist... Now that's too hard for him. He speaks science but won't debate a scientist lmao - what a dishonest pussy
Dr Greger has been shown to lie, Bart would happily debate Greger aswell.
Don't go vegan until you see the whole picture, and there's plenty you're not shown by the vegan community. Your health should always be a higher priority than zealotry
finally, this is my time to go vegan
Not possible.
Vegan - a person that doesn't eat or use animal products.
You use animal products every single day.
Janie Swanson Ma'am i think you need to go back to school for reading comprehension.
@@m00nlighted Look up "vegan" in the Oxford dictionary. Stop projecting your need for education on your betters.
@@janieswanson2549 It takes one brain cell to know i am not vegan when i said 'this is my time to go vegan'. Use it.
@@m00nlighted It is impossible to "go vegan" in the modern world. Animal products are in everything from the electronic device you used to post your comment to the internet you used to upload to youtube servers that save it. So basically you proved just by commenting that you can't "go vegan".
Maybe that takes too many brain cells for you to understand.
This was the very first video I watched in 2020. What an awesome piece of news. Funny how the answers man kind search for, so often happen to be there right under our noses. Thanks Mic.
Nori, the seaweed used to wrap sushi, is a good source for B12. However, only for adults. It has the opposite effect on kids - depleting their B12 so in their case a raw version of it is recommended.
There is abit of b12 in sea weed
Careful, it needs to be the bioactive kind of B12 though.
You’re both misinformed. Purple and green laver have bio available forms of b12 look at the literature it’s right there for you
@@plantmanpov That could be, but is it fat soluble or water soluble? Even B12 supplements might raise serum B12, but being water soluble they might not actually get used by the body like fat soluble B12 in animal foods. We don't know enough about nutrition science to know even supplementing B12 works, maybe liposomal B12.
@@plantmanpov it's not been tested properly. Read this md and decide
veganhealth.org/vitamin-b12-plant-foods/
@@plantmanpov No, they don't.