"You're probably wondering who the final boss of chapter six will be" Not in particular actually "It's Ralsei but ya'll ain't ready for that conversation" I'M READY! I'M READY FOR THAT CONVERSATION!
Alright you've gassed this burgerpants theory up so hard months ago this better BANG edit: i laughed out loud at "W.D. Grandmaster" Toby should hire you and then fire himself
I know you went with the most dramatic option, but rudy wouldn't necessarily have to die to set noelle off. on the tamer end we could just get a negative diagnosis like 'there's nothing else we can do' or for something more dramatic he could suddenly seize up while talking with noelle and noelle opens up the dark world in a rush because that's the best thing she can think to do
Maybe Rudy enters the state of “Fallen Down” and that sets off Noelle to try and send him to a dark world and use healing magic while she still has a chance?
okay but gaster being a shortening for grandmaster is SUCH A FUCKING CLEVER PUN AND INSANE REVEAL. I LEGIT HAD TO PAUSE THE VIDEO TO TYPE THIS COMMENT BECAUSE HOLY SHIT??? THAT'S SO SMART?????????????? CAMMY YOUR BRAIN IS HUGE
i don't think i've ever seen anyone propose that kris was planning a sleep over and it makes so much sense too actually why hasn't anyone else thought of this?
11:45 The most common theory I've heard about this dialogue is that CRTs refers to either Mike or Tenna, and easels refers to Swatch, both former friends of Spamton.
Your theory for how Chapter 7 will play out made me think how cool it would be if the last chapter was some kind of "Dark World Boss Rush," with our heroes desperately running around town and jumping into Dark Worlds, beating whoever gets in their way as quickly as possible and closing fountain after fountain after fountain in an attempt to prevent the Roaring as the residents of Hometown keep creating Dark Worlds and, suddenly, when the party stops for a break, thinking they're safe because enough fountains have been closed for the balance to be restored, the biggest fountain they've ever seen appears, immediately destroying the balance between Light and Dark and starting the Roaring.
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it would lowkey be hilarious for him to hate how scary his dark worlds is while also being in control of it. that he’d be the worlds worst “boss” while also being the boss of the chapter. also love the idea of him not wanting the cast to close the fountain for the sake of torturing catti and bratti and wishing for an escape.
2:45 this is so fucking funny. the word choices were so specific i knew it was gonna end up spelling out some kind of joke word, but the word itself caught me so off guard LOL
This video is unironically a brilliant masterpiece of our era. Think that's hyperbole? Fight me. Inspired, bold, relatable, fascinating, and artistic AF start to finish. That this fandom is graced with such labors of love and enthusiasm is a testament both to the spirit of the fans and to the merit of the games that draw us together.
First off: 2:22 God of Hyperdivorce. That’s what his title is. Secondly, this is actually a really cool theory! I can actually believe that this could happen. I was waiting for this a while and boy, it did not disappoint! Finally, what were you on when you made this and can I have some?
THE CONNECTION OF G*RANDM*ASTER IS SO GOOD OH MY GOD that’s such a good little reveal and this whole video was so well done, thank you so much EDIT: also i only just realized this after i posted my own comment and this might mean nothing but. if you remove gaster from grandmaster you get random without the o which feels. interesting
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18:45 to add to the 3 connections and what I thought you were going to say, is that all 3 of them all know Asriel since childhood, Pizzapants says he's friends with him and calls him Azzy, Bratty convinced Azzy to kiss her, and with Catty says she's basically Kris's aunt, if Asireal makes his return from College in chapter 6 it could mean these three characters are trying to fight for his attention or reveal more about what happened to Dess.
28:51 As a trans person i can say with confidence i would open a dark world on my home if it meant getting a new body so it would'nt surprise me if Mettaton did it too. I'm doubious if he will get a dark world eventually tho
Dude this rocks so so hard. Hugely entertaining, funny, well-articulated... Casually transitioning to a banging music video is such a flex. I love your approach to criticism. And I love how you invite people to use your theory as a tool for further theorising. Strong convictions loosely held. Just such a fun time all around. You put on a great show and it was worth the effort.
I haven't had this much fucking fun watching youtube in literal years. I got so excited when I saw you upload this today, and oh my god the "Grandmaster" twist actually blew my mind enough that I said Holy Shit out loud in my room to myself. I've never heard ANYONE connect those dots before. Even if all of this ends up being wildly off I'm still going to hold this as one of my favorite deltarune theories. I love how cohesive your arguments and connections are even despite how unhinged and wild they sound. That's like my favorite part This is the wildest bullshit ever and even if it's not true (which DAMN with that whole Grandmaster thing I fuckin hope at least parts of it are) I'm still having a great time. Made my fuckin night, hell yeah
The desire to draw all of your proposed knights with the bladed weapons I think they'd use to open dark worlds is SO HIGH rn. if I'm not careful I'm gonna get mentally ill about this edit I wrote a description of my idea and yeah i don't think I'm gonna be normal
IT"S OUT I"VE BEEN FIENDING SEEING OTHER DELTARUNE VIDEOS THAT ARE LIKE "I'll do a Burgerpants Video if you guys want it. there is a surprising amount of evidence that point this guy in a direction but that's for another VIdeo let me know" AND THEY NEVER SAY ANYTHING ELSE!!!!! PLS I'M SO EXCITED.
I love crack theories. It inspired me to make my own theory that I have not posted yet on why Ralsei is Gaster (don't ask). I love your videos and I wanna see more. (Also, I think Kris is the Knight don't argue with me)
25:07 I'm used to people getting my name wrong but damn if it doesn't get me every time 🤣 Now that you've shared your crackpot theory allow me to share mine that relates to your "Ralsei's Absentee Father" idea: Ralsei is suspicious as hell. I think we all know this, and we all have our suspicions about him at least since the end of chapter 2. He kept a lot of important information about the Roaring from us until the last second, and why does he know all this stuff but other Darkners dont? Queen knew about the fountains but not the repercussions of it. Why are we shutting down other dark fountains, convinced that Castle Town is the "true" dark fountain? Because it's the first one we encountered so we think of it as the "original?" Because Ralsei's there? What really _is_ there? A single town, surrounded by... ruins and cliffs. Ralsei has no subjects, no servants, the town is empty, it's shops locked up tight. Is... Ralsei even a prince? We only have Ralsei's word for that. Our only proof is, well, he lives in a castle. And that's hardly proof. Anyone can squat in an empty castle. Plus he won't let us see what's upstairs, claiming he's "renovating." He only has subjects because we bring them to live there. And where are his parents? He's presumably around Kris and Susie's age as well, if he truly is the prince, where are the king and queen of this dark world? What happened to them? Ralsei says he's always been alone. In addition, _why does Ralsei look like Asriel?_ I feel this still doesn't get enough attention. We've _never_ seen another Darkner who looks like someone we know in the light world, he is literally the only one. Something's bothered me about the Legend of Delta Rune itself, too. The supposed Delta Warriors are a human, a monster, and a prince from the dark. The last one is... oddly specific. But the irony is, despite being so specific, there's actually another candidate. Because there _is_ someone who we can confirm, is a Darkner, is the son of a king, lives in a castle, and has subjects that recognise him as a ruler (if reluctantly). That's right. Ralsei isn't the Prince From The Dark. *Lancer is.*
prince of the dark lancer is such a good theory, but also it's so damn hilarious. imagine kris and susie closing the final dark world and banishing the angel's heaven and lancer is riding around it in a circle on his bike.
turn the lights off with the deltarune motif, waow :0 Also, the icee dark world is substantiated by the spamton sweepstakes where noelle talks about her fear of icee. Maybe in the normal route she has to face her fears but in the weird route she's different cause she's "stronger"
THIS WHOLE VIDEO IS PEAK !! I literally never thought about pizzapants before you started talking about him but now I'm as sure as this as I am about my own personal theories !! also TURN THE ICE OFF WAS AMAZINGGG AHAHAH
You’re absolutely right about the weird route. Of course Toby Fox writes a story where your sick sense of curiosity is the antagonist. That one kid in the void was right: “[We] are wracked with a perverted sentimentality.” Also, I will forever believe that the library’s computer lab had gender-reaffirming surgery from it/it to she/her
The art was obviously amazing in the vid, but I want to give a special shoutout to the voice acting as well! The character voices (especially for onionsan) felt so on point, especially when paired with the little avatar changes.
If you make a conspiracy on every character presented in Deltarune, you will have a 100% chance on guessing who the knight is! Dont tell Jaru this sacred information or he will become too powerful.
IT'S FINALLY HERE!!! Big thanks for everything, this is so worth the wait! Hope you keep putting out such well done amazing videos. Keep at it, we love it. Edit: I SWEAR I MEANT PUTTING NOT BUTTING PLEASE BELIEVE ME!
my Two Cents for the Chess Theory Bit specifically: considering Rook in Chess is supposed to represent the actual building and most often a Castle, to me, I think the only way Rook could fit into the Chapter Three dark world would be if he's like. the Physical Embodiment of The Dreemurr Household itself, whether he's just a weird house-shaped guy or if he literally IS the final area of the chapter that you explore around in before he wakes up after beating Tenna. Nothing else really makes that much thematic sense to me otherwise, and this feels more in-line with where the fountain is created and opens some opportunities to explore the context and background of the Dreemurr family through this version of Rook, who would've technically seen (or at least felt) it all.
Haven't watched the video yet but I already know "TOO MANY EXCESS VACATION DAYS? TAKE A GOD DAMN VACATION STRAIGHT TO HELL" is gonna be brought up in regards to him being the knight
My Additions: 1. Ms. Boom is the Roaring Knight because she is Ms. *Boom* both are noises. 2. Dess could be a new party member if your idea for the Ch. 7 Weird Route is true, maybe using a bat, since she is known to use them. 3. If Gerson is not the Ch. 7 Weird Route dark world knight then I think that the Ch. 4 dark world would be based on the Lord of the Hammer and religion, rather than arts and crafts and religion. Maybe Ch.4 takes place on the anniverary of Gerson's death so Alvin reads a chapter of his book during church, then puts it down in the youth group room? Idk I just really want Ch.4 based on LOTR, I haven't finished the books yet but what I have read is really good.
i love your theories they are so refreshing! I've literally never heard anyone bring up the talk sprites for Bratty and Catty before, that's such a cool and interesting observation
Honestly, I think this video sold me on “Multiple Knights” being a possibility. I still personally doubt there will be a Knight for every Chapter/Dark Fountain (and like all Knight theories, I’m not 100% certain), but a lot of what’s said here shows how it could work narratively. (And I especially like the whole “the roaring is caused when everyone learns how to make Dark Fountains and starts to make them all willy-nilly.”) Also, regarding the cut intro animation, Toby says (in the same live stream) that he originally intended Lighteners to be human in the light world and turn into monsters in the dark worlds. (The clip starts around 1:22:19 in the live stream vod.) He says there were “a lot of reasons we didn’t do that,” and the only one he mentions is, “it would make sense if this game wasn’t connected to Undertale.” (Which, y’know, implies that Deltarune itself was way more separate from Undertale during the conceptualization stage.) I don’t think it rules out your explanation for the cut intro. (The “horned knight” analog in your theory could have been an original character Pre-Undertale, who was later retrofitted to be Asgore once Toby decided the game would be connected to Undertale.) But it definitely complicates things.
That little Undyne/Blooky skit was surprisingly in character lol. Honestly, all the jokes were on point! A banger all around, with some really well thought out analysis.
I...actually never considered that Bratty was catfishing (lol) Pizzapants... Like, wow. That's totally what's going on there. Obviously I got that he was being catfished in general, but not that Bratty was the one doing it. Also, I clapped when you said W. D. Grandmaster. Chess Theory is back on the menu, boys.
So cool to see this video finally done after seeing all the community posts lmao After watching the video: Wow. This is actually one of the best videos I've ever seen period. Just oozing with charm and personally (you might wanna get that checked out) No but seriously you are one of the funniest people ever and this video truly is peak.
THIS WAS A SPECTACLE. Another amazing video, cammy G. And... I'm happy that I got to be included in the most sick game montage I've ever seen (right there. 26:41). What more can I say? I'm ready for the ICE-E secret bossfight in Chapter 6 (((totally real)))
"If you're garbage cop, I'm recycling cop!" i needed to pause the video and take several minutes after that humdinger, and i immedieately liked after i recovered on a more serious note, in regards to 33:55, I HEAVILY disagree. Firstly, I feel like this sentiment undermines the importance of the Secret Bosses and the side plot connecting them. If you beat all of the secret bosses on the "Normal Route," what happens? What would be the conclusion to this questline, if not answers for what's going on with their madness? What are the Shadow Crystals, and what happens to Seam? Your reward for going through all that just being a hint to do the Weird Route for your "true ending" would be really underwhelming and odd... especially due to this game's episodic release format. You'd just be telling the player "hey go load up your other save file idiot," that's not a satisfying reward. Secondly, the idea that you need to do the Weird Route in order to " truly beat the game" is also indirectly justifying psychologically torturing Noelle with a metaphor for forced marriage, using her to kill her friend, and scarring both her and Kris for life... I feel like locking a satisfying resolution to the game's answers behind these war crimes and whatever else we get up to in the Weird Route is not only u n - t o b y c o r e ... but it's also kind of a questionable way to treat the player and their time. You're telling the player "You want your plot threads closed? go commit war crimes. go rip my game apart and go rip open every nook and cranny. i know you're the kind of person who'll never be happy, you do stuff not because you have to but because you can, more sans quotes-" like, this application of the idea of calling the Player out on ripping the game apart for more satisfaction feels more in bad faith than Undertale's does, more forced, because Toby Fox, as developer, is coaxing you into doing it by making an "unsatisfying" Normal Route Ending. That's not cool.
I completely agree with this take, and as an additional point, making the Weird route semi-mandatory would also spoil the unsettling, hidden, creepypasta feel of it.
(This is kinda untrue see full edit below) Toby also confirmed you wont need multiple saves to complete the game in the post about the new ui, so that soft-confirms weird route wont have a dramatically different gameplay edit: this is actually less important now, I went back and reread the notes, he says you wont need to complete multiple saves, not the other way around
I think what they are trying to say is that the MAIN ending is the narrative ending and be the one that will make sense, but to fully understand deltarune the weird routes ending will be the one to answer all the questions, mainly countering the idea that sure you love the story and game a lot but to the point you’ll sacrifice them and their loved ones to what? get dess back? get your answers? is it right as a player to ruin the narrative for the sake of knowledge ?
i totally agree with this take honestly. i think the idea of asking "was doing all this to noelle worth it, for the sake of getting answers?" is a cool idea, but like, NO! forcing a teenager to psychologically abuse their childhood friend and manipulate her into murdering her classmate cannot and will never be worth it! it's not even a question!!!
YOUR THEORY IS WRONG!!111!1!1 Ok but memes aside, regardless of the theory itself, this video is very entertaining and well made. Like genuinely, good job dude.
chapter 4 being church AND arts & crafts is so great! hoping you're right, that'd be so fun I'm also super interested in the likelihood of Undyne and Napstablook being in ch3's dark world, as they'd be the first undertale characters to be in a dark world (iirc)
28:28 - Okay, but imagine that, for this sixth fountain, imagine characters who have been tag-alongs before (like Berdly) falling into the Pizzeria Dark World and being forced to confront taht it was *not* a dream.
YES!!! with it specifically being mentioned that noelle comes along to ice-e's too- oh god how are kris and susie gonna go into the dark world while trying not to be suspicious as hell? you saw how they acted in that "crimes/hanging out in the closet" scene, they'd fail so miserably. oh this is so awesome.
I think it would be interesting if the bunker had a dark world in it created by Gerson that has never been closed and that's where he got his ideas for his book, it would be interesting to explore a more typical dark fantasy version of a dark world.
I literally cant stop to watch the turn the ice off part IT IS SO GOOD AND MAKES ME SO EXCITED FOR CHAPTER 6, ALL THESE ARTS ARE SO BANGER TO AAAAAAAA, Masterpiece.
Hey, I really liked this video! Overall, I feel like most of the topics and theory(s) were not only well explained, but equally made a lot of sense. This video very much did clear up the worries/disbeliefs I had towards the "Pizza Knight" mentioned before, and I really do enjoy how you managed to weave in (almost) everyone's concerns into the theory. Can wait to see your next video (mainly because I don't want you overworking and getting burnt out from this stuff). Also, just as an unneeded extra little thing I noticed about the secret bosses that a few other people haven't noticed/haven't ever mentioned that I wanted to point out. As most people know, when you defeat the two different secret bosses, depending on how you do so, you get one of two items, either a weapon or an equipment. Although the weapon is locked to a single character and the equipment isn't, I feel as if the equipment is loosely tied to a specific character. Obviously, the Devilsknife is a Susie weapon because it most fits the axe shape, but for the Jevilstail, I think Kris is it's owner, mainly because of the fact that Kris used to wear the devil's horns to fit in more with rest of their family. As for both the Puppetscarf and the Dealmaker, it goes to Ralsei, again obviously because only Ralsei can use scarves as weapons, but equally because he's the only one to wear glasses out the the three main heroes. I do think it is a little weird/very interesting that Ralsei, the one to disregard Spamton the most, is equally the one who gets both items, but it could mean nothing too. This all basically boils down to the whole party having either two special armor equipment each, or one weapon and one armor equipment each, all to go up against the final secret boss (if there even is one). TLDR; Loved your video, hope to see more, excited for more Deltarune!!! (sorry about the wall of text)
The pizzapants dark world is... surprisingly compelling. Toby fox likes a jarringly creepy segment in his games, think true lab, photoshop flowey, chara jumpscare... I wouldn't put it past him to have a freaky dark world
Oh my GOD IT'S THE VIDEO IT'S THE BURGERPANTS VIDEO THIS IS FUCKING AWESOME!!! But seriously this theory is so good and gels so nicely with the overall theme, and just the image of fountain after fountain popping up in town, not only foreshadowing the horrible fate awaiting that world, but truly driving home how many people want to escape their lives? GOD, CHILLS Another image I adore is, as you defeat the final pawn, the camera moves up to reveal who you've been playing against... Gaster This theory is so so fun, and thank you for sacrificing 6 wholeass months of your life for it. (Please for the love of god take a break, you deserve it)
I think the biggest piece of evidence for why burger pantz is the knight is the fact that Toby once showed a chapter 6 sneak peak where burger pants create a dark fountain and starts the roaring. Unfortunately he deleted the sneak peak as he considered it “too spoilery”, which I feel like one should realize before posting it in the first place
ngl even if this doesn’t end up being true this is such a good interpretation of Deltarune and something i would LOVE to see! not that i would be dissatisfied with canon Deltarune, but these videos are definitely my favorite and im hoping it’ll at least be somewhat like this.
This was a great video!! I love your sense of humor and the style, and the theory was super comprehensive, touching on a lot of points and most of the games story in a way that I think was very compelling! Now, I know it wasn't really the main point of the video, but I wanna lay out what I think about the differences between the routes and what I think would make sense for them in Deltarune, since that part of the video got me thinking about them. It's been over 24 hours since the video released so I probably posted this too late for anyone to see but oh well here goes. TLDR: Gaster only being in the weird route makes sense because the people who know about Gaster probably also know about the weird route and those who don't probably don't, Kris' relationship with the player is made a point of intrigue at the end of every chapter so that's going to be touched on in the normal route. I feel like it makes sense and is satisfying that the only way to find Gaster is by playing the weird route. Gaster is a weird obscure semi-fan-character who was scrapped, then found, then brought back to the game by its creator after he was found, but as an obscure and creepypasta-esque figure who we aren't even allowed to input the name of. Only us brainrotted no-lifers even know about him, the average player probably hasn't. Like take jacksepticeye for instance, I don't think that dude has a damn clue who Gaster is, so him showing up in the normal route would probably feel like an asspull to those players. Noelle's surrender to escapism and becoming the angel is a final boss scenario that would be understandable to anyone following the basic story thus far. Plus, the weird route is an obscure secret meant to feel like a game-breaking creepypasta thing that we find using Noelle's power, a character who herself likes creepypastas and finding secrets in video games. Meanwhile, Gaster is an obscure creepypasta-esque secret character himself. It just makes too much sense and is too satisfying to NOT be how that happens. However, when it comes to Kris's relationship with the player, I think that HAS to be touched on in the normal route. You don't have to be deep in the fandom to know about that, they literally rip us out of their chest to control themselves (mainly to stop us from stopping them I think) at the end of every chapter so far, no matter the route! Setting that up and not expanding on it and paying it off would suck, like, a lot, imo. Then again, the secret bosses have this whole theme of freedom, and Spamton in particular (as a puppet who wanted to escape his strings but couldn't live without them) has a strong effect on Kris. So maybe you have to fight all the secret bosses and gather all the shadow crystals to unpack that? Although I think that gathering the shadow crystals would just give you even more information on top of the base amount. I feel like everyone overlooks these things, I guess because we just don't have the information, but that's a whole other thing. I'm rambling at this point though. Uh... the end.
@NotSylvanUnfortunately ...no, I said Kris' relationship with the player will be explored in the normal route. Calm down with the attitude, we're all trying to have fun here and speculate at what we can.
@alexpalex-banana You agreed that we would only find Gaster on the Weird Route and said that only dedicated fans know about Gaster. I disagree, because everyone who's played Chapter 1 knows about the person speaking to them at the start of the game. I feel that this will likely be explained in the normal route.
My nutty knight theory. Kris is the one opening all of the fountains, they plugged in the TV and Toriel directly mentions that they went to the library without her knowing in some secret dialog with Alphys. Since Toby clearly wants to throw a bone to Undertale fans (Gaster being plot relevant and a true fight against Merton Neo that became the Spamton fight) Kris is his why of satisfying people’s desire to learn more about/save Chara. Chara was a lost cause (and also fucking dead) by the time Undertale happens but what if there was an Older, more stable, not sociopathic (and dead) version of them them? Well I think that’s Kris, their plan to start the Roaring being a version of what Chara does on Geno. Just more of a “Ultimate act of escapism” thing and less of a “Destructive nihilism” thing, instead of “erasing this miserable world” they want to make a better one. Kris would also then be the Angel, since the prophecy implies that the Roaring IS the angel’s heaven. In fact I think that’s Kris is the one who put us inside their soul, actively stopping Gaster from making us a proper vessel to insure their plan works. The reason they don’t just open up a bunch of fountains simultaneously is because they don’t want the roaring to happen just yet. They want to warm people up to the idea of a dark world first, that’s why they specifically target places where people close to them would be. However despite all of that…. Kris is not the Knight. King is obsessed with the knight to an almost religious degree, wich is strange considering he Hates lightners. Unless….. the Knight isn’t a Lightner. Queen implies that Lightners are the only ones with Determination to open a dark fountain, but she never states that the Knight IS one. And if darkness are objects given life, then what happens to the object that is used too open a dark fountain. What does it mean to “Course your will”into a blade? Doesn’t the title of Knight imply that you serve under someone? Why is so much attention drawn to the Knife Kris uses? A “real Knife” like the one from Undertale!!! Ladies and gentlemen….. The Knight is a fucking kitchen knife.
* THIS IS SO GOOD WEEOO WEEOO CAMMY COOKED ALERT FIRE ALARM * I adore the idea of ICE-E being a nightmare world rather than a dream, and the W.D. Grandmaster reveal actually made me gasp a little bit irl dhfdjhjgk * INSANE editing for this as well it goes SO HARD THANK YOU FOR THE YUMMY CONTENT AND INCLUDING MY THEORY OF THE DARK KNIGHT FORESHADOWING
haven't finished the video yet, but i want to add onto the arts'n'crafts angle for the church dark world - cup walka. they've been only teased in the newsletters so far - an oddity on its own - and seem rather out of place in the tv theme of chapter 3. but the googly eyes, red solo cup look and the weird feather glued to it just SCREAMS something made during the youth group's arts'n'crafts session
i also think each chapter will help clear up something about the peoples in its lives. it helped solve noelles issues with berdly/susie/kris and help berdly make more friends. i specifically think asriel is gonna be a part of chapter 5/6. i think hes gonna help clear up asgores problems, be told its a “dream” then have to deal with another “dream” which is now the burgerpants trio disaster he left behind for college, i wouldnt be surprised if azzy was GLAD to leave them behind causing who knows what drama and issues they got. but by the end of the chapter i think their issues will be solved. and now since azzy knows about dark worlds i assume everybody is gonna know and lead to the roaring
Yoooo it's the seven days seven knights guy! I don't believe you about Pizzapants, but you cooked with the last theory so I'll hear this out and I might change my mind once I finish the video XD Edit: You cooked again. I'm so hyped for the ICEE nightmare fountain if it's real
Could you share with us the I.N.C.O.R.R.E.C.T chart as a standalone image in some way? It would serve as excellent material for our indoctrination campain sir
I never wanna look at Ice-E ever again
@Seeks_stuff you'll see him every time you close your eyes
Watching that sequence was rimmerworld all over again.
That whole section was worth it tho. You should see if it's worth posting it on its own. Is a great fan music video.
I do
this video is only for TRUE ice-e fans. I would gaze at ice-e's marvelous solidified mug for decades; centuries even.
"You're probably wondering who the final boss of chapter six will be"
Not in particular actually
"It's Ralsei but ya'll ain't ready for that conversation"
I'M READY! I'M READY FOR THAT CONVERSATION!
So ready OH MY LORD!
I’m ready to find out how Ralsei “saps all my god damn healing items” Rrumeerd is a threat
@PancreantT1D "rrumeerd" 😭😭
@PancreantT1D While that is a baller last name, I think it would probably be murderer.
@@paradoxbees3280 omg yaaaaas I'm so in!!
Alright you've gassed this burgerpants theory up so hard months ago this better BANG
edit: i laughed out loud at "W.D. Grandmaster" Toby should hire you and then fire himself
hey its the funny bracelet man
Oh my god what are you doing here hiiiii :D
Grandmaster Chessmaster Gaster
I know you went with the most dramatic option, but rudy wouldn't necessarily have to die to set noelle off. on the tamer end we could just get a negative diagnosis like 'there's nothing else we can do' or for something more dramatic he could suddenly seize up while talking with noelle and noelle opens up the dark world in a rush because that's the best thing she can think to do
I agree Rudy could be close to dying or something like that
Maybe Rudy enters the state of “Fallen Down” and that sets off Noelle to try and send him to a dark world and use healing magic while she still has a chance?
i think this actually makes _more_ sense because I think the “anything can be healed with a spell” argument only works if rudy is still actually alive
@-FutureTaken- Not really. In fictional land, Death can just be a disease.
I’m choosing to believe this because I don’t think my heart would be able to take him dying😢
okay but gaster being a shortening for grandmaster is SUCH A FUCKING CLEVER PUN AND INSANE REVEAL. I LEGIT HAD TO PAUSE THE VIDEO TO TYPE THIS COMMENT BECAUSE HOLY SHIT??? THAT'S SO SMART?????????????? CAMMY YOUR BRAIN IS HUGE
i don't think i've ever seen anyone propose that kris was planning a sleep over
and it makes so much sense too actually why hasn't anyone else thought of this?
11:45 The most common theory I've heard about this dialogue is that CRTs refers to either Mike or Tenna, and easels refers to Swatch, both former friends of Spamton.
Your theory for how Chapter 7 will play out made me think how cool it would be if the last chapter was some kind of "Dark World Boss Rush," with our heroes desperately running around town and jumping into Dark Worlds, beating whoever gets in their way as quickly as possible and closing fountain after fountain after fountain in an attempt to prevent the Roaring as the residents of Hometown keep creating Dark Worlds and, suddenly, when the party stops for a break, thinking they're safe because enough fountains have been closed for the balance to be restored, the biggest fountain they've ever seen appears, immediately destroying the balance between Light and Dark and starting the Roaring.
24:48 Burgerpants opening the ICE-E fountain thinking it’ll be a wonderful world of magic (the fog is coming):
Embrace the fog. Embrace the fog. Embrace the fog. Embrace the fog. Embrace the fog. Embrace the fog. Embrace the fog. Embrace the fog. Embrace the fog. Embrace the fog. Embrace the frog. Embrace the fog. Embrace the fog. Embrace the fog. Embrace the fog. Embrace the fog. Embrace the fog. Embrace the fog.
CLOSE THE FUCKING DOORS IDGAF ABOUT POWER BUDGET
it would lowkey be hilarious for him to hate how scary his dark worlds is while also being in control of it. that he’d be the worlds worst “boss” while also being the boss of the chapter. also love the idea of him not wanting the cast to close the fountain for the sake of torturing catti and bratti and wishing for an escape.
"you don't recognize the pizza boxes in the grease"
What a fool
DROP EVERYTHING I WAS ABOUT TO DO ITS DELTARUNING TIME
It's about time you start Deltarunning.
2:45 this is so fucking funny. the word choices were so specific i knew it was gonna end up spelling out some kind of joke word, but the word itself caught me so off guard LOL
had me ugly laughing too lmao
Every frame....a masterpiece...
Right tho?!?!
This video is unironically a brilliant masterpiece of our era. Think that's hyperbole? Fight me.
Inspired, bold, relatable, fascinating, and artistic AF start to finish. That this fandom is graced with such labors of love and enthusiasm is a testament both to the spirit of the fans and to the merit of the games that draw us together.
I'm Wing Grandmaster, the royal chess champion!
My most anticipated film of 2024
First off: 2:22 God of Hyperdivorce. That’s what his title is.
Secondly, this is actually a really cool theory! I can actually believe that this could happen. I was waiting for this a while and boy, it did not disappoint!
Finally, what were you on when you made this and can I have some?
I was on a little something called deltarune brainrot 😎 I'm sure you already have your own personal supply
THE CONNECTION OF G*RANDM*ASTER IS SO GOOD OH MY GOD that’s such a good little reveal and this whole video was so well done, thank you so much
EDIT: also i only just realized this after i posted my own comment and this might mean nothing but. if you remove gaster from grandmaster you get random without the o which feels. interesting
Patreon really adds up for creators, even if you can only afford a couple bucks. In these times, let's come together to support each other in making the art that sustains us.
Thank you so much!! 😭
FUCKING FINALLY YES IVE WAITED SO LONG FOR THIS IM SO HAPPY
My art got featured??? With a tally hall cover??? Holy shit
18:45 to add to the 3 connections and what I thought you were going to say, is that all 3 of them all know Asriel since childhood, Pizzapants says he's friends with him and calls him Azzy, Bratty convinced Azzy to kiss her, and with Catty says she's basically Kris's aunt, if Asireal makes his return from College in chapter 6 it could mean these three characters are trying to fight for his attention or reveal more about what happened to Dess.
also weird route stuff would be even more interesting if azzy is a party member
28:51 As a trans person i can say with confidence i would open a dark world on my home if it meant getting a new body so it would'nt surprise me if Mettaton did it too.
I'm doubious if he will get a dark world eventually tho
self inserting yourself into vidya to escape reality that you can't
Dude this rocks so so hard. Hugely entertaining, funny, well-articulated... Casually transitioning to a banging music video is such a flex. I love your approach to criticism. And I love how you invite people to use your theory as a tool for further theorising. Strong convictions loosely held.
Just such a fun time all around. You put on a great show and it was worth the effort.
real snarlinger in the wild no way
I haven't had this much fucking fun watching youtube in literal years. I got so excited when I saw you upload this today, and oh my god the "Grandmaster" twist actually blew my mind enough that I said Holy Shit out loud in my room to myself. I've never heard ANYONE connect those dots before. Even if all of this ends up being wildly off I'm still going to hold this as one of my favorite deltarune theories. I love how cohesive your arguments and connections are even despite how unhinged and wild they sound. That's like my favorite part
This is the wildest bullshit ever and even if it's not true (which DAMN with that whole Grandmaster thing I fuckin hope at least parts of it are) I'm still having a great time. Made my fuckin night, hell yeah
The desire to draw all of your proposed knights with the bladed weapons I think they'd use to open dark worlds is SO HIGH rn. if I'm not careful I'm gonna get mentally ill about this
edit I wrote a description of my idea and yeah i don't think I'm gonna be normal
IT"S OUT I"VE BEEN FIENDING SEEING OTHER DELTARUNE VIDEOS THAT ARE LIKE "I'll do a Burgerpants Video if you guys want it. there is a surprising amount of evidence that point this guy in a direction but that's for another VIdeo let me know" AND THEY NEVER SAY ANYTHING ELSE!!!!! PLS I'M SO EXCITED.
the ice-e abominations segment is probably one of the coolest things ive ever seen. i love the editing and everyone is so creative omg
11:44 I believe the [Easels] refers to Swatch, who has an expressed distain for Spamton, and who it is implied Spamton stole his look from.
Rouxls Kaard is the Roaring Knight.
Evidence - both are RK
I love crack theories. It inspired me to make my own theory that I have not posted yet on why Ralsei is Gaster (don't ask). I love your videos and I wanna see more. (Also, I think Kris is the Knight don't argue with me)
Now I wanna know your theory 😭
@@EveByol lol
25:07 I'm used to people getting my name wrong but damn if it doesn't get me every time 🤣
Now that you've shared your crackpot theory allow me to share mine that relates to your "Ralsei's Absentee Father" idea:
Ralsei is suspicious as hell. I think we all know this, and we all have our suspicions about him at least since the end of chapter 2. He kept a lot of important information about the Roaring from us until the last second, and why does he know all this stuff but other Darkners dont? Queen knew about the fountains but not the repercussions of it. Why are we shutting down other dark fountains, convinced that Castle Town is the "true" dark fountain? Because it's the first one we encountered so we think of it as the "original?" Because Ralsei's there? What really _is_ there? A single town, surrounded by... ruins and cliffs. Ralsei has no subjects, no servants, the town is empty, it's shops locked up tight.
Is... Ralsei even a prince?
We only have Ralsei's word for that. Our only proof is, well, he lives in a castle. And that's hardly proof. Anyone can squat in an empty castle. Plus he won't let us see what's upstairs, claiming he's "renovating." He only has subjects because we bring them to live there. And where are his parents? He's presumably around Kris and Susie's age as well, if he truly is the prince, where are the king and queen of this dark world? What happened to them? Ralsei says he's always been alone. In addition, _why does Ralsei look like Asriel?_ I feel this still doesn't get enough attention. We've _never_ seen another Darkner who looks like someone we know in the light world, he is literally the only one.
Something's bothered me about the Legend of Delta Rune itself, too. The supposed Delta Warriors are a human, a monster, and a prince from the dark. The last one is... oddly specific. But the irony is, despite being so specific, there's actually another candidate. Because there _is_ someone who we can confirm, is a Darkner, is the son of a king, lives in a castle, and has subjects that recognise him as a ruler (if reluctantly).
That's right.
Ralsei isn't the Prince From The Dark.
*Lancer is.*
prince of the dark lancer is such a good theory, but also it's so damn hilarious. imagine kris and susie closing the final dark world and banishing the angel's heaven and lancer is riding around it in a circle on his bike.
turn the lights off with the deltarune motif, waow :0
Also, the icee dark world is substantiated by the spamton sweepstakes where noelle talks about her fear of icee. Maybe in the normal route she has to face her fears but in the weird route she's different cause she's "stronger"
THIS WHOLE VIDEO IS PEAK !! I literally never thought about pizzapants before you started talking about him but now I'm as sure as this as I am about my own personal theories !! also TURN THE ICE OFF WAS AMAZINGGG AHAHAH
I couldn't agree more!!
Your humor is exactly my cup of tea. I haven't finished the video yet but I'm loving this!
Same. This guy's a comedic and artistic genius.
You’re absolutely right about the weird route. Of course Toby Fox writes a story where your sick sense of curiosity is the antagonist. That one kid in the void was right:
“[We] are wracked with a perverted sentimentality.”
Also, I will forever believe that the library’s computer lab had gender-reaffirming surgery from it/it to she/her
The art was obviously amazing in the vid, but I want to give a special shoutout to the voice acting as well! The character voices (especially for onionsan) felt so on point, especially when paired with the little avatar changes.
6:45 this was the most relatable thing ever ;-; EVERY DELTARUNE TEORIST KNOWS THE PAIN OF THSNKING OF THE EVERYMAN APEARENCES XDD
If you make a conspiracy on every character presented in Deltarune, you will have a 100% chance on guessing who the knight is! Dont tell Jaru this sacred information or he will become too powerful.
IT'S FINALLY HERE!!! Big thanks for everything, this is so worth the wait! Hope you keep putting out such well done amazing videos. Keep at it, we love it.
Edit: I SWEAR I MEANT PUTTING NOT BUTTING PLEASE BELIEVE ME!
Too late. What am I supposed to do now they smell bad and they won't go back in
48:49 you will take WHAT for rest?
i am the find her dodge girl.
my Two Cents for the Chess Theory Bit specifically:
considering Rook in Chess is supposed to represent the actual building and most often a Castle, to me, I think the only way Rook could fit into the Chapter Three dark world would be if he's like. the Physical Embodiment of The Dreemurr Household itself, whether he's just a weird house-shaped guy or if he literally IS the final area of the chapter that you explore around in before he wakes up after beating Tenna. Nothing else really makes that much thematic sense to me otherwise, and this feels more in-line with where the fountain is created and opens some opportunities to explore the context and background of the Dreemurr family through this version of Rook, who would've technically seen (or at least felt) it all.
Haven't watched the video yet but I already know "TOO MANY EXCESS VACATION DAYS? TAKE A GOD DAMN VACATION STRAIGHT TO HELL" is gonna be brought up in regards to him being the knight
For a solid minute or two I thought your little character's ears were massive voluptuous cheeks and he was looking up at the camera
My Additions:
1. Ms. Boom is the Roaring Knight because she is Ms. *Boom* both are noises.
2. Dess could be a new party member if your idea for the Ch. 7 Weird Route is true, maybe using a bat, since she is known to use them.
3. If Gerson is not the Ch. 7 Weird Route dark world knight then I think that the Ch. 4 dark world would be based on the Lord of the Hammer and religion, rather than arts and crafts and religion. Maybe Ch.4 takes place on the anniverary of Gerson's death so Alvin reads a chapter of his book during church, then puts it down in the youth group room? Idk I just really want Ch.4 based on LOTR, I haven't finished the books yet but what I have read is really good.
i love your theories they are so refreshing! I've literally never heard anyone bring up the talk sprites for Bratty and Catty before, that's such a cool and interesting observation
THE DAY OF RECKONING IS UPON US
24:58!!! My weirdo was first!!! Thank you for the chance to make the worst thing in the world my brain could do.
And second!! You put them both. Thank you. 🙏
Honestly, I think this video sold me on “Multiple Knights” being a possibility. I still personally doubt there will be a Knight for every Chapter/Dark Fountain (and like all Knight theories, I’m not 100% certain), but a lot of what’s said here shows how it could work narratively. (And I especially like the whole “the roaring is caused when everyone learns how to make Dark Fountains and starts to make them all willy-nilly.”)
Also, regarding the cut intro animation, Toby says (in the same live stream) that he originally intended Lighteners to be human in the light world and turn into monsters in the dark worlds. (The clip starts around 1:22:19 in the live stream vod.) He says there were “a lot of reasons we didn’t do that,” and the only one he mentions is, “it would make sense if this game wasn’t connected to Undertale.” (Which, y’know, implies that Deltarune itself was way more separate from Undertale during the conceptualization stage.)
I don’t think it rules out your explanation for the cut intro. (The “horned knight” analog in your theory could have been an original character Pre-Undertale, who was later retrofitted to be Asgore once Toby decided the game would be connected to Undertale.) But it definitely complicates things.
Susie rambling like season 1 rick would be hilarious
I love the idea of chapter 6 as a nightmarish unhinged p-ezza hellscape, great job on the theory!
That little Undyne/Blooky skit was surprisingly in character lol. Honestly, all the jokes were on point! A banger all around, with some really well thought out analysis.
"if you're trash cop, i'm recycling cop!" is SUCH an undyne sentence. she would say that.
DUDE! Your theory videos go so unbelievably hard!!! The visuals you use with the charts and stuff make it so engaging
can't wait for more deltarune brainrot!
Thank you so much :)
The reveal of Gaster being "grandmaster" makes so much sense yet is something I've never heard before. Good job.
I...actually never considered that Bratty was catfishing (lol) Pizzapants... Like, wow. That's totally what's going on there. Obviously I got that he was being catfished in general, but not that Bratty was the one doing it.
Also, I clapped when you said W. D. Grandmaster. Chess Theory is back on the menu, boys.
So cool to see this video finally done after seeing all the community posts lmao
After watching the video: Wow. This is actually one of the best videos I've ever seen period. Just oozing with charm and personally (you might wanna get that checked out) No but seriously you are one of the funniest people ever and this video truly is peak.
24:33 this music vid is just sitting in the middle of a deltarune lore video??? and it fucking slaps??????
THIS WAS A SPECTACLE. Another amazing video, cammy G. And... I'm happy that I got to be included in the most sick game montage I've ever seen (right there. 26:41). What more can I say? I'm ready for the ICE-E secret bossfight in Chapter 6 (((totally real)))
4:42 This feels like a real bit from Undertale/Deltarune
yeah. it's peak. peak fiction. peak content. as expected.
also woah. 25:28 is a freaking. sweetsical moment.
"If you're garbage cop, I'm recycling cop!" i needed to pause the video and take several minutes after that humdinger, and i immedieately liked after i recovered
on a more serious note, in regards to 33:55, I HEAVILY disagree. Firstly, I feel like this sentiment undermines the importance of the Secret Bosses and the side plot connecting them. If you beat all of the secret bosses on the "Normal Route," what happens? What would be the conclusion to this questline, if not answers for what's going on with their madness? What are the Shadow Crystals, and what happens to Seam? Your reward for going through all that just being a hint to do the Weird Route for your "true ending" would be really underwhelming and odd... especially due to this game's episodic release format. You'd just be telling the player "hey go load up your other save file idiot," that's not a satisfying reward.
Secondly, the idea that you need to do the Weird Route in order to " truly beat the game" is also indirectly justifying psychologically torturing Noelle with a metaphor for forced marriage, using her to kill her friend, and scarring both her and Kris for life... I feel like locking a satisfying resolution to the game's answers behind these war crimes and whatever else we get up to in the Weird Route is not only u n - t o b y c o r e ... but it's also kind of a questionable way to treat the player and their time. You're telling the player "You want your plot threads closed? go commit war crimes. go rip my game apart and go rip open every nook and cranny. i know you're the kind of person who'll never be happy, you do stuff not because you have to but because you can, more sans quotes-" like, this application of the idea of calling the Player out on ripping the game apart for more satisfaction feels more in bad faith than Undertale's does, more forced, because Toby Fox, as developer, is coaxing you into doing it by making an "unsatisfying" Normal Route Ending. That's not cool.
I completely agree with this take, and as an additional point, making the Weird route semi-mandatory would also spoil the unsettling, hidden, creepypasta feel of it.
(This is kinda untrue see full edit below)
Toby also confirmed you wont need multiple saves to complete the game in the post about the new ui, so that soft-confirms weird route wont have a dramatically different gameplay
edit: this is actually less important now, I went back and reread the notes, he says you wont need to complete multiple saves, not the other way around
I think what they are trying to say is that the MAIN ending is the narrative ending and be the one that will make sense, but to fully understand deltarune the weird routes ending will be the one to answer all the questions, mainly countering the idea that sure you love the story and game a lot but to the point you’ll sacrifice them and their loved ones to what? get dess back? get your answers? is it right as a player to ruin the narrative for the sake of knowledge ?
@woahitsfranco5286 That still doesn't answer the question of what the Secret Bosses and Shadow Crystals will be for, if not answers
i totally agree with this take honestly. i think the idea of asking "was doing all this to noelle worth it, for the sake of getting answers?" is a cool idea, but like, NO! forcing a teenager to psychologically abuse their childhood friend and manipulate her into murdering her classmate cannot and will never be worth it! it's not even a question!!!
YOUR THEORY IS WRONG!!111!1!1
Ok but memes aside, regardless of the theory itself, this video is very entertaining and well made. Like genuinely, good job dude.
chapter 4 being church AND arts & crafts is so great! hoping you're right, that'd be so fun
I'm also super interested in the likelihood of Undyne and Napstablook being in ch3's dark world, as they'd be the first undertale characters to be in a dark world (iirc)
toriel is also there lol! but i agree
@ oh my god DUH lmao im silly
@@killmaim4 its fine we all get too silly sometimes!!!
25:48 ME❗️🫵‼️🫵🫵🫵‼️🫵🫵‼️‼️‼️🫵🫵❗️🫵🫵‼️🫵‼️🫵
Also this video is awesome :3
28:28 - Okay, but imagine that, for this sixth fountain, imagine characters who have been tag-alongs before (like Berdly) falling into the Pizzeria Dark World and being forced to confront taht it was *not* a dream.
YES!!! with it specifically being mentioned that noelle comes along to ice-e's too- oh god how are kris and susie gonna go into the dark world while trying not to be suspicious as hell? you saw how they acted in that "crimes/hanging out in the closet" scene, they'd fail so miserably. oh this is so awesome.
4:42 I love this
If you ever write fanfiction you gotta let us know
I think it would be interesting if the bunker had a dark world in it created by Gerson that has never been closed and that's where he got his ideas for his book, it would be interesting to explore a more typical dark fantasy version of a dark world.
I literally cant stop to watch the turn the ice off part IT IS SO GOOD AND MAKES ME SO EXCITED FOR CHAPTER 6, ALL THESE ARTS ARE SO BANGER TO AAAAAAAA, Masterpiece.
I SCREAMED at the grandmaster, what a plot twist
Hey, I really liked this video! Overall, I feel like most of the topics and theory(s) were not only well explained, but equally made a lot of sense. This video very much did clear up the worries/disbeliefs I had towards the "Pizza Knight" mentioned before, and I really do enjoy how you managed to weave in (almost) everyone's concerns into the theory. Can wait to see your next video (mainly because I don't want you overworking and getting burnt out from this stuff).
Also, just as an unneeded extra little thing I noticed about the secret bosses that a few other people haven't noticed/haven't ever mentioned that I wanted to point out. As most people know, when you defeat the two different secret bosses, depending on how you do so, you get one of two items, either a weapon or an equipment. Although the weapon is locked to a single character and the equipment isn't, I feel as if the equipment is loosely tied to a specific character. Obviously, the Devilsknife is a Susie weapon because it most fits the axe shape, but for the Jevilstail, I think Kris is it's owner, mainly because of the fact that Kris used to wear the devil's horns to fit in more with rest of their family. As for both the Puppetscarf and the Dealmaker, it goes to Ralsei, again obviously because only Ralsei can use scarves as weapons, but equally because he's the only one to wear glasses out the the three main heroes. I do think it is a little weird/very interesting that Ralsei, the one to disregard Spamton the most, is equally the one who gets both items, but it could mean nothing too. This all basically boils down to the whole party having either two special armor equipment each, or one weapon and one armor equipment each, all to go up against the final secret boss (if there even is one).
TLDR; Loved your video, hope to see more, excited for more Deltarune!!! (sorry about the wall of text)
25:49 Ive made it as a deltarune artist im showing all my friends
The pizzapants dark world is... surprisingly compelling. Toby fox likes a jarringly creepy segment in his games, think true lab, photoshop flowey, chara jumpscare... I wouldn't put it past him to have a freaky dark world
Oh my GOD IT'S THE VIDEO
IT'S THE BURGERPANTS VIDEO THIS IS FUCKING AWESOME!!!
But seriously this theory is so good and gels so nicely with the overall theme, and just the image of fountain after fountain popping up in town, not only foreshadowing the horrible fate awaiting that world, but truly driving home how many people want to escape their lives? GOD, CHILLS
Another image I adore is, as you defeat the final pawn, the camera moves up to reveal who you've been playing against... Gaster
This theory is so so fun, and thank you for sacrificing 6 wholeass months of your life for it. (Please for the love of god take a break, you deserve it)
I think the biggest piece of evidence for why burger pantz is the knight is the fact that Toby once showed a chapter 6 sneak peak where burger pants create a dark fountain and starts the roaring. Unfortunately he deleted the sneak peak as he considered it “too spoilery”, which I feel like one should realize before posting it in the first place
This never happened.
Unless there's any proof, I don't believe it.
HOLY ROLLY POLLY RAVIOLI!!! AFTER 143 DAYS ITS FINALLY HERE
Bro i need to write an Azzypants fic about this
ngl even if this doesn’t end up being true this is such a good interpretation of Deltarune and something i would LOVE to see! not that i would be dissatisfied with canon Deltarune, but these videos are definitely my favorite and im hoping it’ll at least be somewhat like this.
This was a great video!! I love your sense of humor and the style, and the theory was super comprehensive, touching on a lot of points and most of the games story in a way that I think was very compelling! Now, I know it wasn't really the main point of the video, but I wanna lay out what I think about the differences between the routes and what I think would make sense for them in Deltarune, since that part of the video got me thinking about them. It's been over 24 hours since the video released so I probably posted this too late for anyone to see but oh well here goes.
TLDR: Gaster only being in the weird route makes sense because the people who know about Gaster probably also know about the weird route and those who don't probably don't, Kris' relationship with the player is made a point of intrigue at the end of every chapter so that's going to be touched on in the normal route.
I feel like it makes sense and is satisfying that the only way to find Gaster is by playing the weird route. Gaster is a weird obscure semi-fan-character who was scrapped, then found, then brought back to the game by its creator after he was found, but as an obscure and creepypasta-esque figure who we aren't even allowed to input the name of. Only us brainrotted no-lifers even know about him, the average player probably hasn't. Like take jacksepticeye for instance, I don't think that dude has a damn clue who Gaster is, so him showing up in the normal route would probably feel like an asspull to those players. Noelle's surrender to escapism and becoming the angel is a final boss scenario that would be understandable to anyone following the basic story thus far.
Plus, the weird route is an obscure secret meant to feel like a game-breaking creepypasta thing that we find using Noelle's power, a character who herself likes creepypastas and finding secrets in video games. Meanwhile, Gaster is an obscure creepypasta-esque secret character himself. It just makes too much sense and is too satisfying to NOT be how that happens.
However, when it comes to Kris's relationship with the player, I think that HAS to be touched on in the normal route. You don't have to be deep in the fandom to know about that, they literally rip us out of their chest to control themselves (mainly to stop us from stopping them I think) at the end of every chapter so far, no matter the route! Setting that up and not expanding on it and paying it off would suck, like, a lot, imo.
Then again, the secret bosses have this whole theme of freedom, and Spamton in particular (as a puppet who wanted to escape his strings but couldn't live without them) has a strong effect on Kris. So maybe you have to fight all the secret bosses and gather all the shadow crystals to unpack that? Although I think that gathering the shadow crystals would just give you even more information on top of the base amount. I feel like everyone overlooks these things, I guess because we just don't have the information, but that's a whole other thing. I'm rambling at this point though.
Uh... the end.
So you think the vessel creation sequence, the very first thing in Deltarune, will never be explained unless you do the Weird Route?
@NotSylvanUnfortunately ...no, I said Kris' relationship with the player will be explored in the normal route. Calm down with the attitude, we're all trying to have fun here and speculate at what we can.
@alexpalex-banana You agreed that we would only find Gaster on the Weird Route and said that only dedicated fans know about Gaster. I disagree, because everyone who's played Chapter 1 knows about the person speaking to them at the start of the game. I feel that this will likely be explained in the normal route.
My nutty knight theory. Kris is the one opening all of the fountains, they plugged in the TV and Toriel directly mentions that they went to the library without her knowing in some secret dialog with Alphys. Since Toby clearly wants to throw a bone to Undertale fans (Gaster being plot relevant and a true fight against Merton Neo that became the Spamton fight) Kris is his why of satisfying people’s desire to learn more about/save Chara. Chara was a lost cause (and also fucking dead) by the time Undertale happens but what if there was an Older, more stable, not sociopathic (and dead) version of them them? Well I think that’s Kris, their plan to start the Roaring being a version of what Chara does on Geno. Just more of a “Ultimate act of escapism” thing and less of a “Destructive nihilism” thing, instead of “erasing this miserable world” they want to make a better one. Kris would also then be the Angel, since the prophecy implies that the Roaring IS the angel’s heaven. In fact I think that’s Kris is the one who put us inside their soul, actively stopping Gaster from making us a proper vessel to insure their plan works. The reason they don’t just open up a bunch of fountains simultaneously is because they don’t want the roaring to happen just yet. They want to warm people up to the idea of a dark world first, that’s why they specifically target places where people close to them would be. However despite all of that…. Kris is not the Knight. King is obsessed with the knight to an almost religious degree, wich is strange considering he Hates lightners. Unless….. the Knight isn’t a Lightner. Queen implies that Lightners are the only ones with Determination to open a dark fountain, but she never states that the Knight IS one. And if darkness are objects given life, then what happens to the object that is used too open a dark fountain. What does it mean to “Course your will”into a blade? Doesn’t the title of Knight imply that you serve under someone? Why is so much attention drawn to the Knife Kris uses? A “real Knife” like the one from Undertale!!!
Ladies and gentlemen….. The Knight is a fucking kitchen knife.
2:51 man, word art still hits so good
"If none of my predictions come true, Deltarune will be a bad game and I will hate it...SOOOOOoooooorrry." 37:45
25:03 It's just... so peak...
24:40, no way a tally hall related song is here, I’m gonna fucking explode
the sheer amount of unique drawings you have for your persona is really impressive! It really got me hooked during the dialogue recitings
I was not prepared how good the ice E montage section was. My dude. You cooked up a 12-course feast. And of course all the artists. You all rock
Oh frick
Burgerpants time 😂
Sorry, PIZZAPANTS
48:50 "Take December to rest," you say?
*starts theorizing about Dess aggressively*
* THIS IS SO GOOD WEEOO WEEOO CAMMY COOKED ALERT FIRE ALARM
* I adore the idea of ICE-E being a nightmare world rather than a dream, and the W.D. Grandmaster reveal actually made me gasp a little bit irl dhfdjhjgk
* INSANE editing for this as well it goes SO HARD THANK YOU FOR THE YUMMY CONTENT AND INCLUDING MY THEORY OF THE DARK KNIGHT FORESHADOWING
I'm so hyped for horror chapter already
missed opportunity to have burgerpants make the fountain with a pizza cutter
haven't finished the video yet, but i want to add onto the arts'n'crafts angle for the church dark world - cup walka. they've been only teased in the newsletters so far - an oddity on its own - and seem rather out of place in the tv theme of chapter 3. but the googly eyes, red solo cup look and the weird feather glued to it just SCREAMS something made during the youth group's arts'n'crafts session
4:44 i absolutely love this section, i really hope something similar happens in the actual game now
turn the lights off for the ice-e moment was SO GOOD i never thought about how fitting it would be for something like this!!
OH MY GOODNESS YOU ARE A MENACE AND I LOVE IT?! Your channel is sick. Keep going dude.
i also think each chapter will help clear up something about the peoples in its lives. it helped solve noelles issues with berdly/susie/kris and help berdly make more friends.
i specifically think asriel is gonna be a part of chapter 5/6. i think hes gonna help clear up asgores problems, be told its a “dream” then have to deal with another “dream” which is now the burgerpants trio disaster he left behind for college, i wouldnt be surprised if azzy was GLAD to leave them behind causing who knows what drama and issues they got. but by the end of the chapter i think their issues will be solved. and now since azzy knows about dark worlds i assume everybody is gonna know and lead to the roaring
God damn, alright yeah I'm sold, this was sick.
‼️‼️ ABSOLUTE CINEMA‼️‼️
Your energy is infections and beautifully scattered.
Wambu and fawfuls minion coded.
my jaw physically DROPPED at "grandmaster"
Yoooo it's the seven days seven knights guy!
I don't believe you about Pizzapants, but you cooked with the last theory so I'll hear this out and I might change my mind once I finish the video XD
Edit: You cooked again. I'm so hyped for the ICEE nightmare fountain if it's real
immediately clicked the notification and just finished the video
this was so worth it
Could you share with us the I.N.C.O.R.R.E.C.T chart as a standalone image in some way? It would serve as excellent material for our indoctrination campain sir
37:25 that is quite possibly the most satisfying thing ive ever come out of a deltarune theory, well done