For my full first drive review with the Passenger version check out yesterday’s video here: ua-cam.com/video/XKv2BOrq-HU/v-deo.html Or check out my quick POV driving impressions on my personal channel: ua-cam.com/video/_SUNl923eZk/v-deo.html
In the European Union, or at least most countries in the EU, cargo vans must have a separation between passenger cabin and cargo area and no windows in the cargo area. This way they qualify as a cargo van for business purposes and are taxed less than the passenger versions. Also, for the EU cargo van market it is important that a europallet fits in, which is a standardized pallet size used by many delivery companies, railroad and even airlines. The europallet is 47.2 by 31.5 inches.
5:45 The Buzz Cargo comes with one sliding side door as standard. But you can option your Buzz Cargo with two sliding side doors if you want. Here in the UK, the extra sliding door is a £1,050 option. You can even purchase a Buzz Cargo with two side-hinged rear doors instead of the powered tailgate on the version that you drove in this video. The powered tailgate is a £528 option, whereas the side-hinged rear doors are a standard no cost option. And yes, you can have a rear window for your Buzz Cargo - but only if you have optioned the powered tailgate. The window will only come fitted to the powered tailgate itself. There is no option for windows on the side body panels or windows for the side-hinged rear doors. But who knows. With the right customer demand and pressure, VW may launch more window options in future.
it's sucks, you can ONLY have a windowed tailgate, you can't have windowless tailgate. Also no arm rests for the drivers seat if you option the standard 2 seat passenger bench. Hopefully the tailgate changes or else if have to bodycoloured vinyl wrap the rear window to hide equipment.
I have an id4 on order. scheduled to be delivered week 1 of 2023. Saw the infotainment stuff during my test drive. but figured that 9/10 times ill be using android auto anyways like i do now in my e-golf
One thing that struck me from watching the driving test shot from the passenger side is the dual passenger seat configuration and how this could be easily applied to pickup trucks in order to eliminate the usually (unoccupied) 2nd row of double cab pickups allowing either a longer cargo capacity bed OR smaller pickups; not everybody wants, or needs, to drive a behemoth of a pickup.
I'd consider getting a Buzz over the Lightening as a work vehicle. I'd prefer the efficiency of the Buzz and don't need an open bed. If VW only imports the passenger version, I'd just get it cargo converted. Not super hard to do.
@@johnnysmile01 usd is artificially inflated rn. Constant qe is gonna burst at some point. Some trader will short the shit outta it soon and your car will look cheaper.
Great fun to see you driving arround in my “hood” and not Colorado. Hope you enjoyed your stay in Copenhagen. (From an ID.3 owner whoes garage is to low for an ID Buzz to fit 😣)
Europeans and UK people love the CAMPER. Anyone who gets in a VW Camper [ie the one with the bed, cooker, fridge, etc.., loves it. Of course, N.America lost the van. Europe/UK never did, so there's not quite the excitement here. But if people know about the Buzz they are excited to see a Camper version, at least.
I'd be WAY more interested in a utility spec, short wheelbase Buzz, but with windows and a back seat, than what they are likely planning to sell in North America.
It certainly looks great. But all of the haptic interior controls are truly a nightmare. VW needs to come back to physical knobs, buttons, and switchgear.
I like it. Bring this to America. I would buy multiple of it. I'm a restaurant owner, I need this type of EV; 3 seaters with lots of space in the back for shopping, catering, delivery. Very nice.
Because of the chicken tax (25%), a cargo van like this would be prohibitively expensive here in the States. So no, we won’t be getting ID Buzz Cargo in the US any time soon.
Auto makers located outside of the US get around the tariff by importing cargo trucks and vans either as a kit to be assembled in the US or with the ability to remove rear passenger seats. The chicken tax is just one of those policies that is outdated and easily circumvented.
How did the ride compare with those 18" wheels? Were the sound levels improved in the cargo vs. the passenger van? Loving these videos and can't wait until the Buzz comes to the US. I'll pre-order day 1.
Actually it's range for cargo is class leading, unfortunately it's base model price at £46k does not make economic sense as it's competitor are at 26k and for 51k you can have a larger E sprinter
I just looked the cargo one up. In Germany, he will cost 45k without tax. I have a standard Diesel transporter for my company which costs 14k. Ok, it has approx. 30 % less cargo space, but a similar sized one you can get for 20k. Not to mention with far more range.
hte problem with the ID cars is the ID UI/UX but also the capacitive and slidey buttons on the infotainment and the wheel, you can fix the first with update, the second, until that's gone it'll be a while until I buy one
They likely added the gap just in front of the hood to help aerodynamics as otherwise the wipes are just wind sails. It will add some turbulence, but not as much as the wipers on a smooth front.
Great video you made. Is it possible the bulkhead is making the highway noise quieter? Sounded quiet on the video. I think I love almost everything about it! Hopefully it comes with a 350 mile range, and if there were some way to purchase it in a different country and bring it to the US. I don’t know how that works with the tax, but please don’t make me move to Copenhagen, maybe Germany, just to drive a Volkswagen cargo. Always a caveat in life
It's such a shame that many of the EV's that UK, European, Australian and New Zealand markets get, don't even get a look-in when it comes to North America. I think many manufacturers greatly underestimate Nth American buyers judging by the often heard/read lament: "Wish we could get it over here". The appeal of the Bolt & Nissan Leaf shows that American buyers in particular, aren't necessarily as hidebound to what we outside of Nth America often disparagingly remark on as "yet another oversized (Yank Tank)", as they once were.
@@abraxastulammo9940 I see it now, yes that's an improvement for sure, hopefully the I'd.4 is getting that as well. I'd assume it would be as it's the same pack.
I am not really a fan.. I would love it if it really was similar to an old Micro Bus, to me it look smore like a Chevy Astro Van. just a boxier version of the ID4.. of course VW won't sell the ID3 in the US or the short wheel base.. what the heck are they punishing us?
The USA system/rulles are punishing the consumer. In the rest of the world Euro testing/specs are accepted. In the USA anything imported has to go through crazy expensive USA only testing on every version of every model. Hence VW will only import what they tink will be the biggest sellers and nothing else.
Does anyone think that having no crumple zone in front of the driver is a good idea? I used to have a '72 VW van, and I now shudder to think about what a front-end collision would have done. I remember there was a morbidly funny line in John Muir's classic "How to keep your Volkswagen Alive" book, something to the effect that the driving position in the van made you drive as cautiously as if you were strapped to the front like an Aztec sacrifice.
I have the id 3 with the same drive train but smaller battery I have 95000 km on the car. The HW and battery does really well but the SW is (still) a disaster.
How much power does it have compared to the Canoo? How much does it cost compared to the Canoo? Canoo will start below 35k and might qualify for the revised federal tax credit.
I hope you are wrong about the cargo version not coming to the U.S. I have a bit more interest in that than the passenger version. Now, if they made the passenger version as a true replica of the classic multi-window van from the 1960's, then you could reverse that preference.
length of loading area is listed as 1999mm for the wing doors and 1975mm for the tailgate. max height is 1279, max width 1732, min 1230. but I guess the length is measured at the bottom. still should be okay for bed length of 180cm
@@thorbjrnhellehaven5766 yes, that might be an issue then :) . I'm only 179cm, so would work (if I had the money). Unfortunately I do not have the data for the long wheelbase
We’ll probably get a few of those in the future to replace our transporters. I do think they’ll introduce the smaller motor (and possibly the smaller battery). It’s all about costs when deciding which van to get. In town we also opt for even smaller vans.
The ID Buzz does not excite me like other cars and vans do. I get excited about a Ford Maverick, both the hybrid and the AWD turbo models. But the Buzz shows me nothing which would encourage me to trade my Ram Promaster SLT wagon minivan for one. I am much more excited and interested in your dented broken Nissan Leaf and that your future holds for that cute unloved EV.
Yes you can., from some angles it looks like the sliding door interfere with the charge port, but it doesn't att all. Even when the door is all the way back it doesn't hit the fully opened charge port lid. Another reviewer demonstrated this in his UA-cam review.
@@idrisddraig2 This van will fit enough use cases, if you need something bigger you can buy the VW Crafter. The problem with this van is that it needs doors in the back, now you can only load from the side with a forklift.
This iD Buzz is gonna sell as hot cakes in Europe and USA first production line is already sold last month, this van have lots of potential and it's really good at least the Passenger model, now it's not cheap and not for everyone. Now you said europeans don't have the same interest on the iD Buzz but i am from Europe and every person i talked about the new iDBuzz love it but the price kinda Kills it so i don't where you heard that europeans don't have that same interest, not a cheap car even the comercial one so you're wrong about your thinking, sorry dude.
This is meant to be a review of a cargo van. But was all about what it wasn't. Will a 2.4X 1.2 metre Sheet of plywood fix in the cargo area? It is a cargo van and this is the sort of stuff cargo van type people need to know. USB charger and other stuff is great but doesn't help much with the load or cargo this van is meant to be about. Just saying for what is is worth. The reviewer needs a pocket measuring tape to make the content meaningful.
If you're going to use the Latin expression of "and so forth" then please try to pronounce it right. It is "et cetera", pronounced etcetra, not exetra.
Interesting reply's thank you everyone.... The only reason I like disc brakes is the ease of changing the pads, but I guess thats not a high priority on theses vehicles - thanks again
For my full first drive review with the Passenger version check out yesterday’s video here: ua-cam.com/video/XKv2BOrq-HU/v-deo.html
Or check out my quick POV driving impressions on my personal channel: ua-cam.com/video/_SUNl923eZk/v-deo.html
In the European Union, or at least most countries in the EU, cargo vans must have a separation between passenger cabin and cargo area and no windows in the cargo area. This way they qualify as a cargo van for business purposes and are taxed less than the passenger versions. Also, for the EU cargo van market it is important that a europallet fits in, which is a standardized pallet size used by many delivery companies, railroad and even airlines. The europallet is 47.2 by 31.5 inches.
5:45 The Buzz Cargo comes with one sliding side door as standard. But you can option your Buzz Cargo with two sliding side doors if you want. Here in the UK, the extra sliding door is a £1,050 option. You can even purchase a Buzz Cargo with two side-hinged rear doors instead of the powered tailgate on the version that you drove in this video. The powered tailgate is a £528 option, whereas the side-hinged rear doors are a standard no cost option. And yes, you can have a rear window for your Buzz Cargo - but only if you have optioned the powered tailgate. The window will only come fitted to the powered tailgate itself. There is no option for windows on the side body panels or windows for the side-hinged rear doors. But who knows. With the right customer demand and pressure, VW may launch more window options in future.
it's sucks, you can ONLY have a windowed tailgate, you can't have windowless tailgate. Also no arm rests for the drivers seat if you option the standard 2 seat passenger bench. Hopefully the tailgate changes or else if have to bodycoloured vinyl wrap the rear window to hide equipment.
I’ve got 25k miles on my id4 and it’s awesome. Other than the well known infotainment issues, it’s been really good. Hope the buzz is just as good
I have an id4 on order. scheduled to be delivered week 1 of 2023.
Saw the infotainment stuff during my test drive. but figured that 9/10 times ill be using android auto anyways like i do now in my e-golf
A 3 seat front bench? That's cool. I'm hoping something like this will come to the US.
This is perfect for my ebike collection and outdoor activities!!!
This van can be a dream camper
This cargo version is the one I’d get, I don’t need a passenger one and this can haul stuff.
Too bad they won't bring that to the US as it would sell really well. You could make a cool conversion camper van out of one too!
One thing that struck me from watching the driving test shot from the passenger side is the dual passenger seat configuration and how this could be easily applied to pickup trucks in order to eliminate the usually (unoccupied) 2nd row of double cab pickups allowing either a longer cargo capacity bed OR smaller pickups; not everybody wants, or needs, to drive a behemoth of a pickup.
I'd consider getting a Buzz over the Lightening as a work vehicle. I'd prefer the efficiency of the Buzz and don't need an open bed. If VW only imports the passenger version, I'd just get it cargo converted. Not super hard to do.
They're only doing the passenger version in the US, thanks to the chicken tax
The cheapest is still too much money 🤑
Totally agree.
The cost will come down. Remember for EVs today is basically day one. Gas cars were expensive at first. Only the rich had them. Now bums live in them.
That's the biggest problem, for european market even more because americans have more money to spend.
@@johnnysmile01 usd is artificially inflated rn. Constant qe is gonna burst at some point. Some trader will short the shit outta it soon and your car will look cheaper.
Great fun to see you driving arround in my “hood” and not Colorado. Hope you enjoyed your stay in Copenhagen. (From an ID.3 owner whoes garage is to low for an ID Buzz to fit 😣)
Hey a camper you can customize it and make it into a weekend fun rig
Europeans and UK people love the CAMPER. Anyone who gets in a VW Camper [ie the one with the bed, cooker, fridge, etc.., loves it. Of course, N.America lost the van. Europe/UK never did, so there's not quite the excitement here. But if people know about the Buzz they are excited to see a Camper version, at least.
I'd be WAY more interested in a utility spec, short wheelbase Buzz, but with windows and a back seat, than what they are likely planning to sell in North America.
You’ve got an office in Munich? That’s wonderful!
No mention of the bench seat
It certainly looks great. But all of the haptic interior controls are truly a nightmare.
VW needs to come back to physical knobs, buttons, and switchgear.
I like it. Bring this to America. I would buy multiple of it. I'm a restaurant owner, I need this type of EV; 3 seaters with lots of space in the back for shopping, catering, delivery. Very nice.
They can use the ID Buzz in the USA to fix/maintain their EA charger network.
For that they'd need a bigger truck!
Interesting seeing the passenger bucket seat built for two!
Because of the chicken tax (25%), a cargo van like this would be prohibitively expensive here in the States. So no, we won’t be getting ID Buzz Cargo in the US any time soon.
Auto makers located outside of the US get around the tariff by importing cargo trucks and vans either as a kit to be assembled in the US or with the ability to remove rear passenger seats. The chicken tax is just one of those policies that is outdated and easily circumvented.
Unless they start to build them in Chattanooga.
How did the ride compare with those 18" wheels? Were the sound levels improved in the cargo vs. the passenger van? Loving these videos and can't wait until the Buzz comes to the US. I'll pre-order day 1.
Actually it's range for cargo is class leading, unfortunately it's base model price at £46k does not make economic sense as it's competitor are at 26k and for 51k you can have a larger E sprinter
eSprinter has ridiculous 150km/about 100miles range on a pretty summer day driving downhill without cargo. Absolutely pointless vehicle.
Would love a buzz cargo. You can always add seats….but can’t take out windows
BUT you can cover the windows. Its done all the time.
It’s probably easier to cover up windows than adding insurance approved seats.
@@yystl my passengers can fight to ride up front….lol
@@gordybishop2375 Yeah I've always liked the three up-front seating arrangement
@@yystl I added one in the middle before up front
hmm middle seat ...it would be interesting to test how usable is that
I just looked the cargo one up. In Germany, he will cost 45k without tax. I have a standard Diesel transporter for my company which costs 14k. Ok, it has approx. 30 % less cargo space, but a similar sized one you can get for 20k. Not to mention with far more range.
That is completely impossible from new in the US. It might be possible used, but not new at all. $35,000-$45,000 would be fairly competitive.
@unconventionalideas5683 It starts at £48000 in the uk and you can spec it up to 60k
hte problem with the ID cars is the ID UI/UX but also the capacitive and slidey buttons on the infotainment and the wheel, you can fix the first with update, the second, until that's gone it'll be a while until I buy one
Don't understand why people make a big deal out of the capacitive buttons. Because it's not. The only real annoying thing is the rear window switch.
They likely added the gap just in front of the hood to help aerodynamics as otherwise the wipes are just wind sails. It will add some turbulence, but not as much as the wipers on a smooth front.
cool interior color
Great video. Can't wait for software version 3.0 and higher for my US spec 2021 VW ID.4. Damn.
Hello! NICE channel! amazing video. I'm your fan ＋👍🔔
That foam under the hood is for crash impact protection. I am surprised it does not have a drivers side slider.
Yes I have been waiting on the I.D wagon but I would drive one of these.
Great video you made. Is it possible the bulkhead is making the highway noise quieter? Sounded quiet on the video. I think I love almost everything about it! Hopefully it comes with a 350 mile range, and if there were some way to purchase it in a different country and bring it to the US. I don’t know how that works with the tax, but please don’t make me move to Copenhagen, maybe Germany, just to drive a Volkswagen cargo. Always a caveat in life
It's such a shame that many of the EV's that UK, European, Australian and New Zealand markets get, don't even get a look-in when it comes to North America. I think many manufacturers greatly underestimate Nth American buyers judging by the often heard/read lament: "Wish we could get it over here".
The appeal of the Bolt & Nissan Leaf shows that American buyers in particular, aren't necessarily as hidebound to what we outside of Nth America often disparagingly remark on as "yet another oversized (Yank Tank)", as they once were.
Trades will use these in Europe, Electricians, builders, plumbers etc as well as for delivery vans.
Man this will be great for USPS mail , my mail man is always burning fuel when is he in my neighborhood delivering Mail. Ideling
Would love a ID buzz cargo. Great for Gig drivers Amazon Flex( packages and grocerys) and food (uber, Grubhub doordash).
15:43 I just read they will improve the charge curve to be best in class, 180 kW till 30 % and still 150 kW at 50 % on the decline. Who needs 800 V? 😁
Where did you see that?
@@godofdun goingelectric german forum in the id buzz section, seemed to be a pic from a VW presentation with current and future charge curve.
@@abraxastulammo9940 I see it now, yes that's an improvement for sure, hopefully the I'd.4 is getting that as well. I'd assume it would be as it's the same pack.
@@godofdun ID Buzz seems to introduce a new battery supplier after LG and CATL, could be SK On.
@@abraxastulammo9940 SK ON is who is making the batteries in the US, not sure about the EU
they already hav4e a bigger van, its called the E-crafter.
Could the removal of lower cup holders be so it is easier for the driver to exit on the curb?
There must be a way to purchase the van there and ship it to the US drive it here.
You would get hit with the 25% chicken tax (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax), a tax meant to protect US automakers.
This car looks great… not being able to buy it in the USA is a bummer
Not available in USA.
Try to find a VW e-lavida and do a review
I am not really a fan.. I would love it if it really was similar to an old Micro Bus, to me it look smore like a Chevy Astro Van. just a boxier version of the ID4.. of course VW won't sell the ID3 in the US or the short wheel base.. what the heck are they punishing us?
The USA system/rulles are punishing the consumer. In the rest of the world Euro testing/specs are accepted. In the USA anything imported has to go through crazy expensive USA only testing on every version of every model. Hence VW will only import what they tink will be the biggest sellers and nothing else.
Does anyone think that having no crumple zone in front of the driver is a good idea? I used to have a '72 VW van, and I now shudder to think about what a front-end collision would have done. I remember there was a morbidly funny line in John Muir's classic "How to keep your Volkswagen Alive" book, something to the effect that the driving position in the van made you drive as cautiously as if you were strapped to the front like an Aztec sacrifice.
There should be one usb-C next to rear view mirror for dashcam.
@@erebostd that’s cool. Sad that it was not an option earlier when I bought my ID3.
There is one, at least on the people version. You can see it on the other video from Kyle.
I think the placement of the cup holders is a potential hazard because the bottle seems to block some field of vision.
I have the id 3 with the same drive train but smaller battery
I have 95000 km on the car. The HW and battery does really well but the SW is (still) a disaster.
Cup Holder behind the front Windshield!?! Is that what you said?!
I hope this model kicks all the other manufacturers cargo van design in the butt ...
Really sucks they aren't bringing these to the US. Hopefully, they change their minds.
How much power does it have compared to the Canoo? How much does it cost compared to the Canoo? Canoo will start below 35k and might qualify for the revised federal tax credit.
AWD available?
I hope you are wrong about the cargo version not coming to the U.S. I have a bit more interest in that than the passenger version.
Now, if they made the passenger version as a true replica of the classic multi-window van from the 1960's, then you could reverse that preference.
No Cargo Version in North America Because of 1964 Chicken Tax. USA 25% Import Duty.
What is the measurement for cargo space? Is it long enough to do a camper conversion?
length of loading area is listed as 1999mm for the wing doors and 1975mm for the tailgate. max height is 1279, max width 1732, min 1230. but I guess the length is measured at the bottom. still should be okay for bed length of 180cm
@@POTThaesslich I'm 194 cm 😀 guess I have to wait for the extra long edition then 😀
@@thorbjrnhellehaven5766 yes, that might be an issue then :) . I'm only 179cm, so would work (if I had the money). Unfortunately I do not have the data for the long wheelbase
The cargo version would be cool in the states with the camper van culture. Bring the cargo van to America VW
Why don’t you mentioned the cost
That was the only reason I clicked for 🤦♂️
Starts at 329.995 DKK without VAT.
We’ll probably get a few of those in the future to replace our transporters. I do think they’ll introduce the smaller motor (and possibly the smaller battery). It’s all about costs when deciding which van to get. In town we also opt for even smaller vans.
The ID Buzz does not excite me like other cars and vans do. I get excited about a Ford Maverick, both the hybrid and the AWD turbo models. But the Buzz shows me nothing which would encourage me to trade my Ram Promaster SLT wagon minivan for one. I am much more excited and interested in your dented broken Nissan Leaf and that your future holds for that cute unloved EV.
So
You can't open the sliding door when charging?
Yes you can., from some angles it looks like the sliding door interfere with the charge port, but it doesn't att all. Even when the door is all the way back it doesn't hit the fully opened charge port lid. Another reviewer demonstrated this in his UA-cam review.
@@ITubeTooInc Kyle did it too in the video of the passenger version.
@@MrDgt66 That's probably where I saw it then, I forgot who showed it and had just seen some other review too.
Will it fit a standard piece of plywood?
A standard metric piece of plywood. ;)
@@buddy1155 Nope they screwed up on this one, even the LWB is too short....oh and 2400mm ply is 8ft!
@@idrisddraig2 This van will fit enough use cases, if you need something bigger you can buy the VW Crafter.
The problem with this van is that it needs doors in the back, now you can only load from the side with a forklift.
@@buddy1155 No, you also can spec rear doors that open to the sides.
@@babelhuber3449 I just checked, you are correct! Doors are much better.
Electrify America service vehicle? Everyone knows they need some service 🙄
I hope you are wrong and VW will bring it to the US, I would get 4 of them for my Pest Control company if they cost no more than $40K for 300 miles..
This iD Buzz is gonna sell as hot cakes in Europe and USA first production line is already sold last month, this van have lots of potential and it's really good at least the Passenger model, now it's not cheap and not for everyone. Now you said europeans don't have the same interest on the iD Buzz but i am from Europe and every person i talked about the new iDBuzz love it but the price kinda Kills it so i don't where you heard that europeans don't have that same interest, not a cheap car even the comercial one so you're wrong about your thinking, sorry dude.
those back panels are metal, not plastic.
The German polizei will use this car soon
The people's car.........nope the elites car
And what are you referring to ?
👍Agree
This is meant to be a review of a cargo van. But was all about what it wasn't. Will a 2.4X 1.2 metre Sheet of plywood fix in the cargo area? It is a cargo van and this is the sort of stuff cargo van type people need to know. USB charger and other stuff is great but doesn't help much with the load or cargo this van is meant to be about. Just saying for what is is worth. The reviewer needs a pocket measuring tape to make the content meaningful.
If you're going to use the Latin expression of "and so forth" then please try to pronounce it right. It is "et cetera", pronounced etcetra, not exetra.
riding ebikes araund yes yes yes
i want one,, but alass no :(
You spend money like Stradman with only 100,000 plus subscribers, where is this money coming from? 🤔
He has various channels
Stop capacitive button-ing everything. Either stay all tactile or all touch.. halfway house capacitive touch sucks!!!!
Can the Buzz do even one-half of what the Vanagon can ?? -------> ua-cam.com/video/wJnRCm-Uml4/v-deo.html
Why does VW hate money? Bring these vans to the US.
Because of your import laws that restrict commercial vehicles, it would have to be made in the USA to get round that
@@jimmyh6601 Probably that and safety regulations for the smaller van.
I think VW overshot on its assumptions. The Buzz is way too expensive and posh like a NewBeetle; that's the demographic they built it for.
Sad to see.
The car is UGLY, overweight and mostly OVERPRICED. Big no👎👎👎
I don't understand why VW are still using drum brakes on the rear wheels on their electric vehicles !!
Because they are cheaper than disc and giant brakes are not really needed on electric vehicles due to regenerative braking.
Because you almost never use them, most of the breaking is done by recuperation
Disk brakes would start to rust like crazy because very little is done by the brakes.
Because the ID.cars are not meant to drive in a circuit.Not everyone is frustrated racing driver.
Interesting reply's thank you everyone.... The only reason I like disc brakes is the ease of changing the pads, but I guess thats not a high priority on theses vehicles - thanks again
I no longer like you, not jealous at all....... :-)