Uh Oh… Volkswagen ID. Buzz 70-MPH Highway Range Test (77kWh / 21” / Cold Weather)
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- Опубліковано 19 лис 2022
- Join Kyle in Oslo, Norway where he is testing the range efficiency of the ID. Buzz. Keep in mind to not compare this to our normal range test as 1. It’s not our official loop 2. We are getting the long wheel base in the US.
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And now we know why the US is only getting the LWB (likely needed for the bigger battery option) - however for European urban travel, this is more than fine, don’t you think?
oof, indeed, is what I think
no
No its not. 250 km is by far not enough. That will not sell as good as VW hopes. The battery is too small. In high winter its max. 150km with reserves on snowy roads. That may even be tight to reach the next charger outside of the big cities.
same result as Bjorn's. For camper/road tripping, Europeans too would prefer the large battery LWB variant. Otherwise, for all the rest it is fine (it took just 10min longer than MX raven, etron55 in Bjorn's 1000km challenge), considering the fast charging, .... for Muricans too!
Why would it be ok to have less range in Europe than in US? Range is range and it is something that is always needed. I really don't understand your comment?
Two and a half hours at 70 mph is more than sufficient for the UK .
As a current id4 owner in upstate NY, that range seems accurate for the temps during your test. In winter I see about 1.9 mi/kWh. In summer I see about 3.6 mi/kWh. VW batteries hate the cold.
When you get v2.4, the winter range goes up quite a bit. It reduces battery heating. This will affect the top performance since battery stays cold.
That's odd, since Germany is a pretty cold country
Jesus does this guy ever shut up?
@@RobbieTaylor It's nowhere near as cold here as in the US East and Middle bit. Your extremes are way beyond what we usually get here, unless you are talking about small, mountainous regions. We get 2-4 weeks per year usually of just about freezing temperatures. But sometimes not even that.
Interesting stat. I bet it is the same for most EV's in upstate NY because that is often a cold place in winter. I don't think VW batteries are particularly allergic to the cold. And 3.6 mi/kWh for a car the size of an ID4 is quite good really.
Kyle, now when you are in Norway remember to show the turn signal when exiting the round-about
FYI: It's also required in Colorado.
And Washington
I always do it. Rarely see others do it.
No one indicates in Europe
New England chiming in. What’s a blinkah?
This was a nice review, I have watched Byorn do so many range tests on this road, it would be good to see you and him meet up and do a comparison review of the ID Buzz
This car is going to sell very well 👏🏻
Nice work. Say hello to Bjorn!
I love how the ID Buzz can look retro with a 2tone paint, or sleek futuristic in this silver (if only it was brushed/matte)
I'm in the UK. Currently have a model X. I wanted an ID Buzz until I realised the range was only 160miles at the speeds we travel. Yes it charges fast but our infrastructure isn't good enough
Most of our DC chargers are 50kw. There are still very few 150kw+ chargers and if you have children and travel in school holidays and weekends then you will find they all have big queues (except for the Tesla superchargers, but only 15 of the UK sites have been open to other cars so not that useful). Our main issue is we travel 110 miles each way to visit relatives 12-15 times per year. There is no charger at our destination (as our relatives do not have off road parking, and there is no public charging in the village of 5000. The only chargers above 50kw enroute have massive queues (usually 20 mins), the only chargers near the destination are 20 mins away and only 50kw). So we either charge slowly/with big queues enroute or have 1.5hrs less with relatives and drive to a charger. These are not acceptable options for spending over £50,000 on a vehicle and that's why we won't get an ID buzz. Cars of this price need a realistic 250 mile range at 75mph!
I have a similar situation in the Midwest US…. No infrastructure. 12 hour trip to visit relatives and we have to drive ICE because no chargers. Our Mach E has 250-300 miles of range, but there aren’t chargers in route or in the town we visit (population of 100k and no non-Tesla chargers)
i hope you love your mx like i love mine. i know it's much more expensive but consider how much safer you and your family are.... and with a warranty that outdoes any competitor.
That's crazy to hear. I understand the issues with American infrastructure, but in Europe? I live in an smallish town in Northern Europe, and one crossing has 10+ 150kw chargers. On the other side of the city there are more. Couple of more downtown and more are being built. Same goes for the whole country, and supercharger network here is meaningless. Theres' so many other options that work and are much cheaper than Tesla chargers. Even if I drove a Tesla, I would charge somewhere else. And so do many Tesla drivers as well.
@@scdi12 we enjoy the Model X. The interior is great looking with its white seats, and carbon fiber, and love the user interface and minimalism. Its downfall is it is too long and too wide, and too nice for transporting our muddy children and there bikes. Its had its fair share of issues too. 2nd only to the 2011 VW Golf estate we once owned. Also FSD on UK roads is somewhere between suicidal and useless. Still it handles nicely and I personally never get bored of hammering the accelerator (gas) pedal, even if my family are long past it.
@@lp3860 interesting. We have Tesla, Ionity (usually 4 chargers) and Gridserve (have very few sites but have taken over many motorway service station sites so hopefully they will be great in 5 years time). Aside from that 95%+ of all rapid chargers are 50/60kwh with a 2 or fewer chargers. The town my wife grew up in (Barnard Castle) got 6 new Fastned rapid chargers earlier this year. All were 50kwh. Absolutely useless if you want to charge quickly but fine if you are want to spend 2 hour on an out of town retail park on your trip.
Your Norwegian is perfect. Bilvask means car wash 👍 Nice to have you in Norway.
This is the first time I’ve seen one of these that isn’t two tone. It looks great in solid silver.
Loving the Circle K hot dog holder because the bud vase would be too silly.
Enjoy to see you here in Norway. Wish you a good stay here, Hope you will have a good trip to the north, and you can see Aurora ther.
Best regards from little old Norh Norwegian boy
just awesome. I am waiting to buy one immeately!!👍👍👍👍👍
The Buzz has so much character. To me this is the coolest EV (after the Taycan)
Taycan is junk.
Agreed. This might be my first EV
It's looking like VW needs to add their version of Camp Mode or Utility mode before ID Buzz owners will be able to enjoy AC/heat during their car camping sessions. Hopefully this can be easily addressed with an Over the Air update before they begin selling here in North America. Fingers crossed 🤞!!
The range (158 mi / 254 km) matches pretty good with Bjørn Nylands tests -> 153 mi / 247 km at 120 km/h at 44,6 F / 7 C.
I was gonna ask if they were meeting up with Bjorn….
I really like your new logo!
That thing is awesome.
If you're in Norway, you have to link up with Nylan Bjorn.... You 2 will be great 🔥
Only Kyle makes range tests interesting. I can only imagine a young Kyle on family road trips. ID Buzz will make a great Uber/Lyft choice.
Great video, that smaller battery just seems to choke the range out on this thing. I have high hopes for the US release getting a 100kw battery and hopefully hit around 300 miles of range. I am looking at the US release of this for some long cross country trips in the coming years and the IDBuzz would be great for it IF the range could be around 300. Another great video, Kyle!
Vw confirmed the us model will get a 180kwh battery
@@Itsme-fn9mc What if it is only 85 kWh?
I'm just experiencing winter conditions for the first time here in Europe with my Polestar SR SM, with "nothing" added. So no heat pump either. We've been having -5°C during the day, and as always, lots of short trips. Sometimes I've managed to pre-heat the car, sometimes not. But the initial few kms are horrendous, then everything settles down. I think it'll manage 23-25 kWh/100km at 110-120 kph, on a longer autobahn trip. That's actually fine by me. In warmer weather, it was noticeable that the winter wheels/tyres had almost no effect at all on consumption. Temps > 10°C with our normal daily use, the car does 16.5 kWh / 100km. Since the cold weather, the current long term average (what we happen to have stored on the long term trip meter) has crept up to 17.5 kWh / 100km. The temps I am experiencing are a few degrees lower than the ID Buzz test you did. I am a bit surprised about the ID Buzz consumption, because the ID 3 at least seemed to be a very efficient car. Still wondering how much advantage a heat pump brings? As you may know, to get rear heated seats in a Polestar, costs €4K because there are 2 options packages, and only 2. The one with the heated seats also includes a glass roof, heat pump and super-duper stereo, and a luggage space divider integrated into the boot floor!! Well. My conclusion with -5°C is we need heated seats and I'm getting some sort of 12V heated seat cushions for my poor kids. The thing I've learned about EV's in general and winter weather is, heated seats essential. VW have rather more flexible options lists. You can get some things without having to order a massively expensive package. Tesla just have everything as standard (this is the correct solution). Polestar have a pretty terrible combination of neither. Polestar need to add heated rear seats and a heat pump as standard in all models. If it adds 1500 € to the price, so be it.
That’s because Polestar is Chineez and therefore in general, junk.
Looks clean in one color.
Must rendezvous with Bjorn this trip!
I like the design of the golf cart from VW, I see works ok in small villages like Oslo, Frankfort, Madrid, London, etc.
Judging from that, if you are in Dallas and need to go to Fort Worth, you'll have to recharge to make it back.
Great!!! I like it❤❤
Seems like best use case would be like a soccer mom van type of thing. Not exactly a road tripper unless you really plan well and are happy to stop often.
Kyle, really enjoyed watching this as I loved the Buzz right from the concept. I’m thinking maybe it could be my ideal car at aged 63. I watched the charging performance and that significantly changes my views on range. I occasionally do road trips of circa 400-500 miles. I’d start my trip with a cheap overnight charge to 100%, then with a charging curve like this I could stop for 20-30 minutes and make a longer trip feasible and stress free. To help matters, I drive around at 55-60mph. If I swap out the 21 inch wheels for 19, do you think I could improve the range from 190 to 230 at my kind of speeds? Cheers Geoff
This is one of the few electrics I’m interested in
So for me in the US (Texas) I would want the 100kw battery even though I don't plan to do any long range traveling. I'll take that extra capacity simply for the convenience of not having to charge so often driving around the city. Also would be nice to have a solar roof option to gain a little juice while it bakes in our ridiculous summers.
You could put a roof rack up and line it with panels.
I'd take this version in the USA. I'd even want a smaller one. Not everyone needs a 7 seater. I like the idea of driving a box on wheels.
Please include metric numbers somehow in the video.
Nice looking vehicle. If this vehicle comes without all the ID4’s software issues this should be a big hit😁.
Why would it not be the same software?
Kyle: The Golf GTE also has those special LED lights, just FYI. 🙂
This car looks beautiful. I would use as my daily driver. But the price is something what I cant really understand 😀
18:18 - At 1% SOC, i was screaming at the monitor and Kyle wants to do 2 more loops. Boss level confidence the car's BMS!
I thought this was a Björn thumbnail at first!Would be awesome if you could meet up.
I own a Bolt and when traveling I never go more than 64 mph except for passing to extend my range. I always plan on doing short stop bumps and only go about 180 miles tops. So driving an EV is strategic. People who switch from ICE cars need to learn the new concept that battery capacity is very different from measuring liquid fuel in a tank.
We did two cross us trips towing a MYPOD camper, you are correct, have to be tactical with range
real time/life tests 👍
When highlighting the mileage numbers could you include the kwh/100km metric? Its what we use and its a nice way to compare
Yes, this. It would be really great for a large part of the world, where kWh/100km is the standard.
If you want to get kWh/100km and are given mi/kWh, take 62 and divide it by the mi/kWh number.
E.g. 2mi/kWh = 62/2 = 31 kWh/100km.
@@winstoncat6785 I prefer wH/km. It makes you think in terms of efficiency.
Pretty clear Car Battery pack sizes wouldn't be adequate for Vans, extended wheelbase or not. That's going to make EV Vans expensive in future...
Thinking about my own experience and reading comments below too, this suggests the ID Buzz 77 kWh is generally range limited. You can subtract 25% - 30% range for "proper" winter weather for pretty much any EV afaik. On that basis, the ID Buzz is going to struggle to ever get much more than 300 km on a motorway run, even in great weather. That's really limiting. The big battery one will make a lot more sense. However, these are really expensive cars in the first place. They may make up for this a bit by charging really quickly. Obviously, the practicality of the interior, especially the LWB is a real selling point for many. Swings and roundabouts.
It goes to show how inefficient the VW BEVs are in general. It should do 200 with a 77 kWh battery.
@@letsgobrandon5800 Not in near freezing, damp weather at 70 mph, no. You probably would not expect 200 miles really. But the "real" range in nice weather on a motorway isn't going to get much above 200 miles either by the look of it. It's a brick on wheels. It's not surprising.
Now I am thinking if I should really wait until 2024! Even with improved battery in the US, I don't see this offering comfortable & confident range at all times. Requires 110KW usable.
I kept waiting for Bjorn to show up at the Ionity station.
Literally the variant of the idBuzz I’d want. A solid replacement for my Mazda5, which I wished was continued
We have a Mazda5 as well - 2008, around 150,000 miles. I would like to find an electric replacement, but there is nothing else out there that is so compact yet can carry more than four passengers and a driver. Our family consists of six people. I’m also a huge fan of sliding doors.
@15:26 Look at the people hanging out getting a charge 😂😂😂
As you said, this car is a brick, in cold weather the cabin needs a lot of energy to heat (and probably to cool in summer heat). Björn Nyland did a test at 90km/h and got 225 miles at ~10 degrees. That's not bad at all, 115km/h is too fast and too inefficient for such a car. If you want to drive long distances with it you should rather go for 100km/h or you will have to charge more often.
In any case, it's not the efficiency of the powertrain that's to blame, it's identical to the ID models and they're all pretty efficient.
That will be the reason why it will not sell as good as VW hopes for. Its just too thirsty or its battery is much too small. Either way, 250km is not enough.
2 issues with winter driving in a van: speed and heating. Big space with windows has a lot of windchill. try less speed and lower temp like 18 instead of 22 deg celsius. Heated seats and pullovers are your friends. BMW started to build in heated floor and doors?
@@wolfgangpreier9160 It will sell good lmfao. You don’t know more than what VW does
@@nothere572 No it will not sell good. Most would need the transporter. And they would want a little more range with a little less cost. Currently the competition from Ford, Renault etc. is still cheaper than the IDBuzz. But of course you can believe what you want.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 It’s enough when the infrastructure is as built-out as Norway.
i like the short version for us here North America with high capacity
Is the display panel and software in the VW buzz that bad? I’ve heard one reviewer at an auto show stating it needs to redesigned completely???? Is this the same as the ID.4
Based on US ID4 horror stories of software glitches/ weird ghost behaviors/ car bricking out of nowhere, and reported lack of VW response with solutions, I'll not be considering VW as a new home for my EV $$ until reliability is (possibly) proven to be consistent over some years.
TESLA…nuff said
these problems were all fixed with V3.x, new cars are all delivered at least with V3.2 and there are no serious known issues, the software is stable. If you expect Netflix in the infotainment like in Tesla, then this is not the right car for you.
@@austinpowers1999 Nope, not for me. ABT. Anything But Tesla. SpaceKaren may be an ungrateful prick, giving the finger to the same people that just granted him tax incentives for the next 10 years, but he'll not get a single one of my dollars directly. Competitive alternatives coming on line to choose from, which I will. Recovered former fanboy.
Dude who cares about Elon. He’s just a dude. It’s the car that matters, and right now Tesla still has everything sorted better than any others, including charging networks.
I got no problems with my Skoda Enyaq - which is basically a VW with Skoda exterior. None at all. Its slow, but everything works as expected.
Hi, I finally got to see one up close at the LA Auto Show. Now i am 6'9" and I was amazed that I fit. However, I am not a fan of the Armrests. They just aren't made for tall people. I still loved it though. I do hope the US Spec that will be a longer version will have more 2nd row leg room. No one can sit behind me. In my Honda Element. You actually can sit behind me. Now, I have a question for you regarding the steering wheel material. It isn't made of leather like the ID4 wheel is. But, rather a rubber-like material. I have a feeling that after a few years of 110F/33.3C cabin heat cycles (Typical So Cal summers). That the rubber like material will degrade and detach from the internal steering wheel frame. My sister's Ford 150 has a similar rubber material on her steering wheel and after 1 year of hot summer driving. The material twisted off the internal frame. I fear that the same thing could happen. Sorry for the long winded post. If you drive past Grimstad, Norway. Stop by Nogneo Brewery. My Cousins make great beer and Sake over there. CHeers
Is it only me to see the Toyota Estima when I look at this car??
Bjorn, you've grown a beard!
What was the temperature outside? High speed at very cold temperatures is the worst case almost besides going maximum speed. The cold air is denser and so reduces the range inversely proportionally to the density
So jealous of the charging station! Can we ask Ionity to build the charging infrastructure in the US please???
Bjørn Nyland revisited .
Why’s nobody testing with the cars fully loaded especially these type of vehicles since they are built with the possibility to load them up…
Wow Norway is tiny. North America is much larger. For city dwellers it's fine. Going on a road trip through the Rocky Mountains? Have to plan it carefully haha.
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Congrats!
That’s about all I’d get out of my M3SR in Canada in cold weather..
But cold in Canada is probably a bit colder than this test, no?
One of the early ones before heat pumps?
Yah I’m probably thinking of colder weather, and yes it has a heat pump.. I think what skews perception is that you don’t go from 100% to zero, you drive from 80%-20 usually
Would like to see some videos from EV owners in Buffalo NY area.
Give them a break. Having to live in Buffalo prepares people for frozen Hades.
Livestream crew!! 👍
Love your channel I'm just a 47yr Autistic husband and father of 2 my wife has stage 4 metastatic breast cancer we live between Lake Arrowhead and Big Bear CA.
If you ever have a EXTRA AWD EV we could take it off your hands lol
Just a thought some people will customize the back half of the van, did VW think about that by creating mounting points to the floor or will we hear of people piercing the battery pack from the inside floor.
I think the floor is elevated already (see production videos) and the second cargo floor/bench is screwed down, so there are some mount points.
Seeing this, I’m curious whether they’ll try to sell a version with 58kwh from the ID3… maybe would be sufficient for the cargo version for inner city utilities
Reminds me of a Previa
Indeed. Maybe not quite as nice looking as the Previa. What a great design that van was!
5:59 The panel gaps on that charger door -- Unacceptable!!
Here in Northern Virginia last winter, a crazy traffic jam stranded thousands of vehicles on commuter highways for more than 24 hours in the cold. At least some electric vehicles ran out of battery and needed to be towed. A tow truck can bring an ICE vehicle a small can of gas to get them to the gas station. Is there an equivalent short-term solution for EVs? I’m thinking of a large portable battery. Would it be hard to charge from such a device?
Norway's EV charging is way ahead of what we have in the USA. I just bought a 2023 Chevrolet Bolt EUV and drove it ~155 miles home. I estimate i only saw a few EV's, mostly Tesla's, out of hundreds of cars. I would say 98-99% were ICE vehicles.
Itd be interesting if you could do the same with 18" wheels and note the difference. I dont think thats terrible. What concerns me is that Canadian winters average temps much colder than this video has so how much more range would I lose? On the flip side, 90% of my driving is usually only 55mph.
Hey Robbie, Same here. we live in Norway, cold winters. Like he says, most roads here on long trips you bearly go over 50mph. There is no highway on the way to my inlaws (a 7 hour drive). Just ordered a buzz, but was going to get a model Y... Most of our daily driving isn't over 20km, and we have home charging etc. Tempted to cancel the order and get a Y for awhile. Wait for the 4wd and a bigger battery...
Depends on where? your "Canadian winters" are. Here in South West Nova Scotia, freezing temperatures are rare.
Good people
If this can get 240 with the long range in winter I could live with that. Maybe 300 in summer?
Is it dual motor? Same motors as Id.4?
Range was crazy for a 77kwh but probably low range due to the wheels and heater running also lowers the range
Yes, AC and heat uses extra battery power. The more you turn up the heat or the AC or crank up the radio volume, the less range you get.
I suggest Volkswagen should have installing battery on 4 wheels, equal to get KWH more and more, try this.
2.1mi /kwh ..... what does the rivian usually get?
Was that charge door closed all the way or was that a fit n finish issue?
Noticed that too. It looked like not closed properly to me. The press-click lids are quite fiddly to shut again.
Were you overspeed during the trip?
My first reaction was not too bad considering it has to heat that volume at 36 degrees. But then I have tons of questions. Is this using heat pump or conventional? Be keen to see the difference with smaller tires. But my bigger though is that US model with larger battery and longer WB can’t be expected to do that much better considering the extra weight. Based on ratio and proportion its about 200 in this test. But that doesn’t account for the extra weight. If I’m a betting man I’d peg the LWB larger battery at 180ish miles in this same test.
I saw few Finnish UA-camrs testing this car and that test car didn't have heat pump and it was consuming 5 - 6 kWh on stand still more likely to heat cabin. Those models what customer will get does have heat pump so number would be somewhat lower.
LOVE the look and practicality of it (with a longer range battery) but for $60k+?! This car screams practical / family car but the price certainly does not. Thought I had found my GTI replacement. Nope!
It's definitely not a brick. It is a beautiful vehicle. Would you really need want to drive 160 miles without a break?
I think touring vans need 100kwh base level. That will give WCS of 200 miles+.
You should have all systems on like regular EV driving than being in cold or hot and Radio too. ;-(
I must ask - would you mileage test potentially leave your vehicle stranded in traffic? Could you have blocked the road by doing your test? When you're down to 1 mile left, I would think it's irresponsible to see when the car dies on public roads.
You need a Canadian correspondant, I was interested in the "cold weather" range test until I saw it was 42F outside... that's nowhere close to the cold we EV drivers in Quebec see ;)
Bjørn territory
Super cool rig with the worst armrests in the world!
We need IONITY in the U.S. imo
;)
If youre usung the cabin heater, that will severely impact the range.
Does it have heat pump?
They have Circle K in Norway?
Surprised to see the left side of the roadway is painted with yellow line in Norway. I thought only the US / Canada does that and the EU is white line on both sides.
Norway is not EU
"Stunt" Bjørn!!
Are you meeting with Bjørn? 😁
Give me the car! Everything in one vehicle.
In the UK and US the highway speed is 80mph. Not that useful for what we use them for as the range isn't good enough. It is a shame because it looks cool.
Wind noise notes are interesting as I've had 2 ID4's now and the newer one I swear is louder on wind noise so much so I'm constantly checking the windows are closed. Maybe the QA is missing something
@Tele gram Out of Spec Reviews oh cool what scam did I win today 😄😄😄😄
@@GlennFaulkner you got scammed out if your money buying 2 ID4s. Tesla far superior in hardware and software.
@@letsgobrandon5800 No not really. ID.4s are significantly better value than any Tesla. Also, if he is having issues with QA on a VW, it’s just going to be a next level of awful on a Tesla lmaooo
@@letsgobrandon5800 LOL
There’s QA for VW??? When did they start caring about quality???? 😂
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265mm wheels in the rear. Impressive, but not compared to the MYP with 275mm wheels.