Like him or not, agree with him or not, Michael has the very rare gift of intellectual honesty. He researches his own beliefs and has the humility to change them when they are wrong. We need more people willing to do that.
There is such a thing as toxic empathy, toxic mothering, we have all seen it in the adult child who has no independence and relies on their parent constantly for everything.
I think this correlates strongly to peak globalism and a lack of wealth/well paying jobs. They talk in this episode about how people aren't being paid that much and how expensive things are in the US. As we have sent more manufacturing jobs, and jobs that were huge in the 1950-1980's to China, it destroyed the wealth of the middle of America. And it became more pronounced when Clinton put China on even playing level as the US in trade. It made the 0.1% ultra wealthy and hollowed out the middle class (if you look at average wages in the us they have been flat (including inflation) for 40 years. Plus side, China is going away. They didn't have the millennial or younger generation. I see it in Orange County, CA there are tons of wealthy Baby Boomer aged Chinese moving to the US to escape the coming collapse. (I have 6 on my street of 40 homes that have moved in since 2020).... So manufacturing is going to come back to the US/Mexico/Canada, but a lot of it will be more mechanized/automated, so helping to build that out will be a huge business.
@@jacobdeem8187 Or even scarier is Munchhausen by Proxy, where the parent will use their child as a tool to win status from others. These people are often the parents of Hollywood kids, and also those that trans their kids. Like one Mom I had heard who did it to their infant. Super sad
Yes, @aujuliawod - Our niece literally drank herself to death because her mother wouldn't allow her to grow up. In her early 20s and nothing to do she partied herself into an early - WAY early - grave.
Well, we have to think about it, nobody ever seems to account for all the people that are not on social media. There are a lot of people who don't use social media or if they do. They comment on UA-cam videos and stop like me. But many busy professionals and families and stuff.Who have a lot going on allow them don't have time to be sitting on social media or we make an appointment not to
That's the funny thing, when the Biden admin says the economy is doing great they're not lying. It's absolutely amazing for the rich right now, the gap between the mega wealthy and normal people has never been bigger. Massive inflation means the assets they own have blown up. But for regular people things are messed up.
The stock market may not put food on the table today, but it's still important to the middle class. It is a key component of a retirement portfolio. People may not be worried about it when they're 40, but those who put it off long enough get to age 70 and still are "not ready" to retire because they didn't prepare.
@@TheswedishDane thing is you ain't getting a pension. pensions were for one generation only. a war bond if you will. your socialist butt thought it was for everyone, lol. you bought that lie like a sucker. also how did people prior to pensions live? easy, the had a lot of kids and raised geared towards taking care of elderly people while learning about the tradition of that nation in this case the US.
It's seems like we're increasingly at completely different world views and instead of slowing down it's exponentially growing apart. I don't see how this holds out. Either we agree to a political separation and let people live how they want, staying out of their lives (I don't think one side would ever agree to that). Or one side will be subjugated, dominated, and have all their political will taken from them..
Progressivism, by definition, believes in its superiority. Reading anything by Woodrow Wilson… how he rationalized segregation and discounted the Constitution.
Compassion...empathy...can definitely be weaponized and lead to evil, if not used by those with evil intent. What is striking to me is when people virtue-signaling how compassionate THEY are behave when someone else asks them questions about their position/stance/cause and discover they don't agree with said compassionate one. Compassion can then morph into rage, bigotry, hate. It is another form of: Rules for Thee, Not for Me. Hey, it's not about Compassion for All, just certain ones that make the Virtuous One look good. ( Some people do care, it's more about the sheer narcissism on display, the pride of propping oneself up as better than the un-caring, or political power play in the name of compassion, not that they truly care about the less fortunate. )
This has long been expressed in many forms. "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." Reagan described as the nine most-frightening words. "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." C. S. Lewis, published in 1948, probably in hindsight of FDR depression America and post-war reconstruction, and other pushes towards Marxism in England and Europe. Why teach a man to fish when you can provide him bread day by day and own his allegiance forever.
I am so glad I found this interview because as an old progressive leftie, I have been so confused about how people define the word left now. But I wish you would bring libertarianism and anarchism into light. The old lefties were not those people and yet I see anarchy becoming the norm. At my age ,74 I do not feel old ,and I am shocked at the infantile way our culture has progressed,😮
I'm a "Shell" veteran but this is my first experience watching/hearing Zuby. The math is simple. I have added a new clear-thinking hero to my list of favorites. Thank you.
My daughter graduated top ten in her class of 350 students and went to the US nationals in her sport, yet her principal didn’t know her name. The problem is that we are placing so much focus on the people who are disrupting our society and the people who are doing everything right and following the rules get pushed to the sidelines.
Yes! My daughter was struggling in middle school. At a conference, a teacher told me, "She's going to continue to fall through the cracks because she's not starting a fires in the trash cans." The opposite side of your statement but for the same reason. Our education system needs serious changes.!
And nothing is expected of them. In return, we get a lot of complaints about the quality of the free stuff, an entitled attitude, and demands that more should be done for them.
Zuby, you have the best voice in modern broadcasting! And I really appreciate your open mindedness to all subjects. Not to mention your interviews are most fair I’ve seen. And Michael was a great pick to interview.
As one who grew up in one Pacific NW college town & lived in another for 9 years, I suggest that the eco-leftist dread of nuclear stems in part from a mystic, mythic vision of nature & the world, and anything smacking of technology sullies that image.
Yeah that's an interesting phenomenon when you search for articles on mob activities here are some titles, there do seem to be some commonalities: South Africa Police: 7 Burned to Death in Township 'Mob' Attack ; Mob charged with brutal murder of five "witches" in Tanzania; Crime stats: More than 400 people killed in mob justice attacks in three months , 49 people sentenced to death for mob killing in Algeria; Sri Lankan manager killed by mob of workers at Pakistan factory; Pakistani Christian couple killed by mob
Yeah it kinda looks like mobs are precursors for modern armies but with way more discipline to it. It's amazing what women acomplish through the "mother/child dynamics "
Yeah, isn't that when you feel like you're in bizarro world? I still see myself as a liberal or leftist, whatever... I guess very similar to Shellinberger (I was also critical of US foreign policy in Central America, traveled there... his intro kind of freaked me out in the similarities), but then you talk about all these things that I would consider liberal ideas, and suddenly, people are calling you a conservative! I don't live in the US anymore, so I'm a bit distanced from it, but I feel like I'm just floating out in a political wasteland that used to be inhabited.
I have been saying for awhile now that we need a new name for those of us that were formerly liberals but have now left the insanity, yet are not conservatives. Sometimes I call myself a Bill Maher liberal.😆
I have always been conservative. I always felt "safe" because the liberals were watching out for the low and middle class. I care about those things, too. For the past 6 years, I have been horrified to watch the left become everything they have always fought against!! I am also without a party to represent my interests and opinions. I am over the uniparty. I am over congress not working together for the interests of the people. They get rich and tyrannical while we get poor and subordinate. We have no leaders. The uniparty forces them out of the way.
Both Democrat and Republican politicians have absolutely ruined their own party reputations. People don't want to be known as either one now. Some of it is deserved and some of it is made up, but the vast majority of us are right up the middle and don't have a name that won't get you slandered from one side or other. This is the work of dirty politicians and a toxically biased media getting paid to divide us.
Amazing podcast. When you started talking about food prices I had to say this. I live in Oregon and just found out that small farmers are being subjected to incredible cost to comply with some person who is being paid to bankrupt farmers and very small ones are getting hurt the worst. That is what really opened my eyes to the higher prices.. God Bless America
Religion creates a support structure. You see the same people at church every week. You can talk about you life issues with your pastor. People are missing that in this digital world.
These guys are chasing their tails. They are gnashing over meanings of terms that no longer have coherent meaning. Instead they should be discussing the essential dichotomy, which is inalienable self ownership versus its antithesis collectivism. Labels are completely meaningless except in reference to this dichotomy. Everything makes perfect sense when you understand the reference to this dichotomy.
True, but almost everyone is confused on this. The truth is as you say. I would frame it as individualism vs collectivism. But it’s much of a muchness.
You know Zuby that in the UK we’re constantly reminded that our GDP places our economy 6th in the world but I heard a stat the other day that puts our GDP per capita way down at 26/28 - we need to understand that GDP per capita is only stat of consequence.
This is happening in Australia too. Immigration increases GDP allowing governments to borrow more, but everyone's slice of the pie gets smaller as the population grows.
Imagine if our elites are mostly undiagnosed misanthropes; in their own minds - loving, kind, empathic, far-sighted...but things just keep going wrong with the policies!! Someone said 2000 years ago, "By their fruits shall ye know them".
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful". - Seneca the Younger ~”The Left's policies are regarded by the common people as good, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." - Not Seneca the Younger
I am glad to see that Michael Shellenberger has been able to make a good living. Unfortunately it's because there is so much utter insanity and inanity in the world. Agreed on the nuclear energy thing. The problem there is human beings. I think nuclear went south in the US in a big way when the multi billion Shoreham plant in Long Island was never approved because of corruption and cutting corners on construction which was exposed on 60 minutes. We got the idea that if people couldn't build a nuclear power plant properly in their own backyard where they and their families lived, it was a hopeless task. That on top of Three Mile Island, Chernobyl and Fukushima all going belly up and the humans responding so poorly to the crises. All that being said, nuclear checks all the boxes as Michael lays out to deal with the problems of fossil fuel energy. But with the problems of the past, people have erroneously completely closed their minds to even the possibility of considering using it. The homeless thing where criminals are coddled as victims. Michael lays out the problem and the easy solution well. It's amazing so many people, particularly those in positions of power, can't seem to wrap their heads around what to do. The religious question obviously has no definitive answer. Altho' we can say a couple of things. It's pretty obvious, if you care to think about it at all, that there is an intelligence to the universe. The thought of it all coming together as it has from utter chaos as by accident is far fetched and altho' agnostics and atheists believe they are the rational ones, the idea that this is all accidental is the irrational point of view. No one has been able to explain consciousness, at all. The Abrahamic religions don't even try to deal with it. Their best stab at it is that the flesh somehow conjures up a soul which somehow embodies consciousness which ends when the soul flies off somewhere after the human body dies. And that no other creatures have a soul, altho's they all have consciousness. Which is a major problem for those religions because consciousness is at the core of what it's all about. The ideas of atheists and agnostics that somehow every living thing whether its an amoeba, a cockroach, a human being, all conjure up consciousness in their little brains the exact same way is, again, the height of irrational thinking. The likelihood is the universe is a conscious entity and that it can be considered it's own, fifth, dimension. That would explain a lot. It's all guesswork obviously but some guesses seem a lot more likely to me than others.
Would it be fair to say that the numbers of people dying from drug overdose in the USA since Feb 2022, outpaces the number of war dead being reported by Ukraine government over the same period?
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Interesting that the majority of the philosophical thinking that is highlighted here is what propelled the current condition.
Quibbling over liberal, leftist, progressive whatever is an attempt to hang on to your opinions even though you've watched them fail in real time. They all have the same premise. So they all lead to the same place. You don't get to stop halfway down the tracks. They go where they go.
The situation in San Francisco with the opioid addicted just permitted to carry on, without any interventions definitely seems to me to be a deliberate act and not just incompetence. It's not possible to make such a total destruction of every facet of our society unless that's the desired outcome. It's my opinion, but I don't think that I'm going to be the first to believe this. Regards from the UK
46:46 Stole a pizza. But had been stealing what else and being paroled etc for years or something? Or not even taken to court at all. The pizza just happened to be "the straw"?
Personally, I think the answer to the question of why a particular side would consider embracing the idea of censorship is dead simple. When a particular side gains a monopoly over information and controlling the narrative, THAT'S when they're no longer so excited about free speech, because at that point they wish to protect the stranglehold they have obtained, and free speech then represents a threat to them. So, people like free speech when they are still trying to gain traction with their ideas, but once they're on the top of the hill, so to speak, they will want to shut down other voices that challenges their position at the top of the hill. So, it comes down to basic human nature, which is fundamentally not different based on which side of the political spectrum you're on. Power and control... nobody is immune from this impulse.
You think by pushing god you’re going to save us, Christianity will… no wait, what’s this? A new robust religion.. it’s called Islam may well eat their lunch. You might not be saving Christianity but you push for belief in the supernatural may inevitably help a different religion. I am a non-supernaturalist. I send my young girl to a good Christian school because I don’t want her to be a barbarian ignorant of her own culture and what built it. I cannot bring myself to believe in the supernatural, but I’m fine working with those that do, I can respect all, but is it outside possibility that we can build a supernatural-free civilization as well? Can we not tell people to choose for themselves?
I definitely think we are heading toward a revival of Christianity. We are seeing and experiencing what fills the void in its absence, and people are increasingly understanding how valuable its principles are in society.
Chesterton summed it up, When people stop believing in God they don't believe nothing they believe anything. I also think you are correct. As schools become more woke, more parents in my country, pay fees to send their kids to private Christian schools. And how do young people rebel from parents these days? Finally, people seek community and alternatives to the mainstream political parties. I don't think people are seeking established churches, but forming small groups to read the Bible, to pray and discuss. This maybe cynical but the Bible gives a language to things that are otherwise hard to discuss currently.
I see how compassionate liberalism plays out in the foster care system. Total nightmare--especially for the kids suffering from the most severe traumas.
Housing is worse here because you don’t have BlackRock and vanguard and other companies buying a huge amount of homes forcing people to rent in other parts of the world.
I would like to hear these guys view on the new media industry complex that feeds on these issues, but have no interest in the solution to a problem as their income comes from the fight over the coverage.
It’s generally acknowledged that there’s been a 1C rise since 1850. There’s no consensus on whether and to what extent humans have contributed to it. And if they have there’s no consensus on to what extent it is bad or a “crisis.” And if it is bad or a “crisis” it’s not automatic how we should respond to that. For example, there is a very powerful argument from Alex Epstein that we need more, not less fossil fuel use.
Like him or not, agree with him or not, Michael has the very rare gift of intellectual honesty. He researches his own beliefs and has the humility to change them when they are wrong. We need more people willing to do that.
There is such a thing as toxic empathy, toxic mothering, we have all seen it in the adult child who has no independence and relies on their parent constantly for everything.
I think this correlates strongly to peak globalism and a lack of wealth/well paying jobs. They talk in this episode about how people aren't being paid that much and how expensive things are in the US. As we have sent more manufacturing jobs, and jobs that were huge in the 1950-1980's to China, it destroyed the wealth of the middle of America. And it became more pronounced when Clinton put China on even playing level as the US in trade.
It made the 0.1% ultra wealthy and hollowed out the middle class (if you look at average wages in the us they have been flat (including inflation) for 40 years.
Plus side, China is going away. They didn't have the millennial or younger generation. I see it in Orange County, CA there are tons of wealthy Baby Boomer aged Chinese moving to the US to escape the coming collapse. (I have 6 on my street of 40 homes that have moved in since 2020)....
So manufacturing is going to come back to the US/Mexico/Canada, but a lot of it will be more mechanized/automated, so helping to build that out will be a huge business.
Yes, it's called Munchausen syndrome
Absolutely true!
@@jacobdeem8187 Or even scarier is Munchhausen by Proxy, where the parent will use their child as a tool to win status from others.
These people are often the parents of Hollywood kids, and also those that trans their kids. Like one Mom I had heard who did it to their infant. Super sad
Yes, @aujuliawod - Our niece literally drank herself to death because her mother wouldn't allow her to grow up. In her early 20s and nothing to do she partied herself into an early - WAY early - grave.
Well, we have to think about it, nobody ever seems to account for all the people that are not on social media. There are a lot of people who don't use social media or if they do. They comment on UA-cam videos and stop like me. But many busy professionals and families and stuff.Who have a lot going on allow them don't have time to be sitting on social media or we make an appointment not to
Zuby actually gets the struggle of the middle class. I’m so tired of hearing about the stock market when I’m buying groceries for my family of 5.
That's the funny thing, when the Biden admin says the economy is doing great they're not lying. It's absolutely amazing for the rich right now, the gap between the mega wealthy and normal people has never been bigger. Massive inflation means the assets they own have blown up. But for regular people things are messed up.
The stock market may not put food on the table today, but it's still important to the middle class. It is a key component of a retirement portfolio. People may not be worried about it when they're 40, but those who put it off long enough get to age 70 and still are "not ready" to retire because they didn't prepare.
without stocks your pensions would be nothing
@@TheswedishDane crazy how so many young people don't worry more about their pensions.
@@TheswedishDane thing is you ain't getting a pension. pensions were for one generation only. a war bond if you will. your socialist butt thought it was for everyone, lol. you bought that lie like a sucker. also how did people prior to pensions live? easy, the had a lot of kids and raised geared towards taking care of elderly people while learning about the tradition of that nation in this case the US.
Great video. It still blows my mind how in 2024 we seemed to have collectively lost our common sense. It's nice to see some folks still have it.
Not we
It's seems like we're increasingly at completely different world views and instead of slowing down it's exponentially growing apart. I don't see how this holds out. Either we agree to a political separation and let people live how they want, staying out of their lives (I don't think one side would ever agree to that). Or one side will be subjugated, dominated, and have all their political will taken from them..
So grateful for you both.
shell is a legend.
Progressivism, by definition, believes in its superiority. Reading anything by Woodrow Wilson… how he rationalized segregation and discounted the Constitution.
I heard an interesting quote today, "evil comes mostly in the form of 'compassion' now."
In a sense, it always has. Evil always dresses itself up to look nice.
Compassion...empathy...can definitely be weaponized and lead to evil, if not used by those with evil intent.
What is striking to me is when people virtue-signaling how compassionate THEY are behave when someone else asks them questions about their position/stance/cause and discover they don't agree with said compassionate one. Compassion can then morph into rage, bigotry, hate. It is another form of: Rules for Thee, Not for Me. Hey, it's not about Compassion for All, just certain ones that make the Virtuous One look good. ( Some people do care, it's more about the sheer narcissism on display, the pride of propping oneself up as better than the un-caring, or political power play in the name of compassion, not that they truly care about the less fortunate. )
Evil enters through the eye of a needle and spreads like an oak tree.
@@sherriflemming3218Spreads more like milfoil. Oak grows slow and produces value and quality.
This has long been expressed in many forms.
"I'm from the government and I'm here to help." Reagan described as the nine most-frightening words.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." C. S. Lewis, published in 1948, probably in hindsight of FDR depression America and post-war reconstruction, and other pushes towards Marxism in England and Europe.
Why teach a man to fish when you can provide him bread day by day and own his allegiance forever.
Mike Shelenberger is a fascinating man
And a great truth teller.
He would have been a better governor than Newsom haha. Though Larry elder would have been the ultimate.
Needs to run for POTUS 2028!
WHEN EXPOSING A CRIME IS BEING TREATED AS IF YOU ARE COMMITTING A CRIME,YOU ARE BEING RULED BY CRIMINALS
Yes , that's right ...
@@michaelweber5702 this country has been captured by Marxist jacobins
Well said.
I am so glad I found this interview because as an old progressive leftie, I have been so confused about how people define the word left now. But I wish you would bring libertarianism and anarchism into light. The old lefties were not those people and yet I see anarchy becoming the norm. At my age ,74 I do not feel old ,and I am shocked at the infantile way our culture has progressed,😮
I'm a "Shell" veteran but this is my first experience watching/hearing Zuby. The math is simple. I have added a new clear-thinking hero to my list of favorites. Thank you.
I'm honoured. Welcome!
My daughter graduated top ten in her class of 350 students and went to the US nationals in her sport, yet her principal didn’t know her name. The problem is that we are placing so much focus on the people who are disrupting our society and the people who are doing everything right and following the rules get pushed to the sidelines.
Yes! My daughter was struggling in middle school. At a conference, a teacher told me, "She's going to continue to fall through the cracks because she's not starting a fires in the trash cans." The opposite side of your statement but for the same reason. Our education system needs serious changes.!
@@bkkjbradley --- IT sure does ...
@@bkkjbradleyMore like an enema.
Michael is a brave and great man, fighting so many battles on our behalf.
Love Michael Shellenberger! Found him just a couple of days ago. Thanks for another excellent talk.
Podcast getting better with each episode. Congrats!
This needs a billion views!!!!!!
“To victims, everything must be given”? 😢. My God🙄
And nothing is expected of them. In return, we get a lot of complaints about the quality of the free stuff, an entitled attitude, and demands that more should be done for them.
Zuby, you have the best voice in modern broadcasting! And I really appreciate your open mindedness to all subjects. Not to mention your interviews are most fair I’ve seen. And Michael was a great pick to interview.
thank god for you, Michael Schellenberger. You too zuby.
Fabulous interview 😊
Thanks!
As one who grew up in one Pacific NW college town & lived in another for 9 years, I suggest that the eco-leftist dread of nuclear stems in part from a mystic, mythic vision of nature & the world, and anything smacking of technology sullies that image.
Zuby and Michael are really good people ... Thanks gentlemen !
Zuby, you rock man. Spread that love.
We really need some at this time.
Great interview 👊
I agree.
Thanks!
I'm shocked it doesn't have +100k views by now. Perhaps the Algo is keeping it down for some reason? 3 hours later and 848 views?
@@eriklondon2946 - Share, share, share!
Women get sucked into the mob mentality.
Yeah that's an interesting phenomenon when you search for articles on mob activities here are some titles, there do seem to be some commonalities:
South Africa Police: 7 Burned to Death in Township 'Mob' Attack ; Mob charged with brutal murder of five "witches" in Tanzania; Crime stats: More than 400 people killed in mob justice attacks in three months , 49 people sentenced to death for mob killing in Algeria;
Sri Lankan manager killed by mob of workers at Pakistan factory; Pakistani Christian couple killed by mob
The mob's ideals are most often about a social/individual relationship with the same dynamics as mother/child.
@acornsucks2111
It's because women are naturally more agreeable.
Yeah it kinda looks like mobs are precursors for modern armies but with way more discipline to it. It's amazing what women acomplish through the "mother/child dynamics "
Not this woman.
Thank you both for doing what you do. I’m a lefty. Not insane. Maybe we don’t have a team with a name anymore. But I’m grateful for this.
You're welcome
Yeah, isn't that when you feel like you're in bizarro world? I still see myself as a liberal or leftist, whatever... I guess very similar to Shellinberger (I was also critical of US foreign policy in Central America, traveled there... his intro kind of freaked me out in the similarities), but then you talk about all these things that I would consider liberal ideas, and suddenly, people are calling you a conservative! I don't live in the US anymore, so I'm a bit distanced from it, but I feel like I'm just floating out in a political wasteland that used to be inhabited.
I have been saying for awhile now that we need a new name for those of us that were formerly liberals but have now left the insanity, yet are not conservatives. Sometimes I call myself a Bill Maher liberal.😆
I have always been conservative. I always felt "safe" because the liberals were watching out for the low and middle class. I care about those things, too. For the past 6 years, I have been horrified to watch the left become everything they have always fought against!! I am also without a party to represent my interests and opinions. I am over the uniparty. I am over congress not working together for the interests of the people. They get rich and tyrannical while we get poor and subordinate. We have no leaders. The uniparty forces them out of the way.
Both Democrat and Republican politicians have absolutely ruined their own party reputations. People don't want to be known as either one now. Some of it is deserved and some of it is made up, but the vast majority of us are right up the middle and don't have a name that won't get you slandered from one side or other. This is the work of dirty politicians and a toxically biased media getting paid to divide us.
Amazing podcast. When you started talking about food prices I had to say this. I live in Oregon and just found out that small farmers are being subjected to incredible cost to comply with some person who is being paid to bankrupt farmers and very small ones are getting hurt the worst. That is what really opened my eyes to the higher prices..
God Bless America
Boy, Michael wants to know the same things I do... Loved this conversation. Relief to hear there are others asking the same questions.
Michael is up there with Nina Teichholtz as a journalist. Critical to our survival as a society.
Define intentionality ,facilitating illegal immigration but promoting abortion,how backwards!
Great interview! Love to both of you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Religion creates a support structure. You see the same people at church every week. You can talk about you life issues with your pastor. People are missing that in this digital world.
Zuby definitely watch Misery!
Happy to find your podcast. Now a subscriber.
Welcome aboard!
59:54 if Gen Z are to be remotely 'conservative', if we are to solve this disenfranchisement, then they need to be able to own a home.
Michael is a joy to listen to, finally sanity with opinions based on facts that he'll lucidly argue. Thanks for this interview.
"Leftugee" describes our plight perfectly.
Nuclear is clean and I will agree the Generation Xers had it right.
Love Michael! Thank God for our truthsayers!
Becoming a millionaire used to mean something
Still does. It just now means you’re middle class comfortably.
@@guuumby_1468 I wouldn't say "comfortably", but yes.
Schellenberger 2028
Fanbloodytastic video guys ❤
Love it? We are need a good conversation
“Mental health “ is antidotal,SIN is the problem
These guys are chasing their tails. They are gnashing over meanings of terms that no longer have coherent meaning. Instead they should be discussing the essential dichotomy, which is inalienable self ownership versus its antithesis collectivism. Labels are completely meaningless except in reference to this dichotomy. Everything makes perfect sense when you understand the reference to this dichotomy.
True, but almost everyone is confused on this. The truth is as you say. I would frame it as individualism vs collectivism. But it’s much of a muchness.
Shellenberger is an incredibly underrated writer.
Ok so now I need to add Zuby to my list.....very good
Wow, how did you manage to avoid getting the climate change disclaimer tacked on by UA-cam?
Haha
So glad to find Zuby! I didn't know he had a podcast. He's a very intelligent person and a pleasure to listen to ❤
Awesome interview thank you for having him on you should ask him about the WPATH files on another episode
When was this recorded? No mention of WPATH?
Before the exposure of all that
You know Zuby that in the UK we’re constantly reminded that our GDP places our economy 6th in the world but I heard a stat the other day that puts our GDP per capita way down at 26/28 - we need to understand that GDP per capita is only stat of consequence.
This is happening in Australia too. Immigration increases GDP allowing governments to borrow more, but everyone's slice of the pie gets smaller as the population grows.
I’m embarrassed to say that I just discovered Zuby. Brilliant, humble guy. Thanks for the quality content, man. 👊🏻
Imagine if our elites are mostly undiagnosed misanthropes; in their own minds - loving, kind, empathic, far-sighted...but things just keep going wrong with the policies!! Someone said 2000 years ago, "By their fruits shall ye know them".
Very good interview
Love to you, Zuby. ❤️❤️❤️
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful". - Seneca the Younger
~”The Left's policies are regarded by the common people as good, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." - Not Seneca the Younger
"Climate change is real..." Oh yeah? What is the opposite of Climate Change? Climate Stagnation? Pah!
I am glad to see that Michael Shellenberger has been able to make a good living. Unfortunately it's because there is so much utter insanity and inanity in the world.
Agreed on the nuclear energy thing. The problem there is human beings. I think nuclear went south in the US in a big way when the multi billion Shoreham plant in Long Island was never approved because of corruption and cutting corners on construction which was exposed on 60 minutes. We got the idea that if people couldn't build a nuclear power plant properly in their own backyard where they and their families lived, it was a hopeless task. That on top of Three Mile Island, Chernobyl and Fukushima all going belly up and the humans responding so poorly to the crises. All that being said, nuclear checks all the boxes as Michael lays out to deal with the problems of fossil fuel energy. But with the problems of the past, people have erroneously completely closed their minds to even the possibility of considering using it.
The homeless thing where criminals are coddled as victims. Michael lays out the problem and the easy solution well. It's amazing so many people, particularly those in positions of power, can't seem to wrap their heads around what to do.
The religious question obviously has no definitive answer.
Altho' we can say a couple of things.
It's pretty obvious, if you care to think about it at all, that there is an intelligence to the universe. The thought of it all coming together as it has from utter chaos as by accident is far fetched and altho' agnostics and atheists believe they are the rational ones, the idea that this is all accidental is the irrational point of view.
No one has been able to explain consciousness, at all. The Abrahamic religions don't even try to deal with it. Their best stab at it is that the flesh somehow conjures up a soul which somehow embodies consciousness which ends when the soul flies off somewhere after the human body dies. And that no other creatures have a soul, altho's they all have consciousness. Which is a major problem for those religions because consciousness is at the core of what it's all about. The ideas of atheists and agnostics that somehow every living thing whether its an amoeba, a cockroach, a human being, all conjure up consciousness in their little brains the exact same way is, again, the height of irrational thinking. The likelihood is the universe is a conscious entity and that it can be considered it's own, fifth, dimension. That would explain a lot.
It's all guesswork obviously but some guesses seem a lot more likely to me than others.
Would it be fair to say that the numbers of people dying from drug overdose in the USA since Feb 2022, outpaces the number of war dead being reported by Ukraine government over the same period?
Interesting that the majority of the philosophical thinking that is highlighted here is what propelled the current condition.
Quibbling over liberal, leftist, progressive whatever is an attempt to hang on to your opinions even though you've watched them fail in real time. They all have the same premise. So they all lead to the same place. You don't get to stop halfway down the tracks. They go where they go.
The situation in San Francisco with the opioid addicted just permitted to carry on, without any interventions definitely seems to me to be a deliberate act and not just incompetence. It's not possible to make such a total destruction of every facet of our society unless that's the desired outcome. It's my opinion, but I don't think that I'm going to be the first to believe this. Regards from the UK
46:46 Stole a pizza. But had been stealing what else and being paroled etc for years or something? Or not even taken to court at all. The pizza just happened to be "the straw"?
Personally, I think the answer to the question of why a particular side would consider embracing the idea of censorship is dead simple. When a particular side gains a monopoly over information and controlling the narrative, THAT'S when they're no longer so excited about free speech, because at that point they wish to protect the stranglehold they have obtained, and free speech then represents a threat to them. So, people like free speech when they are still trying to gain traction with their ideas, but once they're on the top of the hill, so to speak, they will want to shut down other voices that challenges their position at the top of the hill. So, it comes down to basic human nature, which is fundamentally not different based on which side of the political spectrum you're on. Power and control... nobody is immune from this impulse.
You think by pushing god you’re going to save us, Christianity will… no wait, what’s this? A new robust religion.. it’s called Islam may well eat their lunch. You might not be saving Christianity but you push for belief in the supernatural may inevitably help a different religion.
I am a non-supernaturalist. I send my young girl to a good Christian school because I don’t want her to be a barbarian ignorant of her own culture and what built it. I cannot bring myself to believe in the supernatural, but I’m fine working with those that do, I can respect all, but is it outside possibility that we can build a supernatural-free civilization as well? Can we not tell people to choose for themselves?
You’re right, Zuby….it is totally backwards.
To add-on about the preist in the tv show 'fleabag' Michael brought up, they made sure to cast a gay man in the role.
But Shellenberger never explains how the dealers themselves are allowed to operate openly. And who else is getting paid to allow it.
I believe in God and same time believe in UFOs, based on all the observations from pilots.
I’ve pushed narcan as a former fire fighter. It’s super sad to see these people man.
"I want to believe" is not a new religion, it's the plot of X-Files.
Sons pay for the sins of the father. The West cannot escape that fact.
Billy boy gates does not approve
Trans Train out of Sweden is worth a watch.
What a great discussion.
I definitely think we are heading toward a revival of Christianity. We are seeing and experiencing what fills the void in its absence, and people are increasingly understanding how valuable its principles are in society.
Chesterton summed it up, When people stop believing in God they don't believe nothing they believe anything.
I also think you are correct. As schools become more woke, more parents in my country, pay fees to send their kids to private Christian schools. And how do young people rebel from parents these days? Finally, people seek community and alternatives to the mainstream political parties. I don't think people are seeking established churches, but forming small groups to read the Bible, to pray and discuss. This maybe cynical but the Bible gives a language to things that are otherwise hard to discuss currently.
Cloward-Piven
Great interview!
Progressive comes from the “Progressive Era”. The application changes but the foundation is the same.
I see how compassionate liberalism plays out in the foster care system. Total nightmare--especially for the kids suffering from the most severe traumas.
Housing is worse here because you don’t have BlackRock and vanguard and other companies buying a huge amount of homes forcing people to rent in other parts of the world.
Depressing
Climate hysteric etc.
Disappointing
He’s not a climate hysteric. He does think it’s a problem. That’s not the same as thinking it’s a crisis (the mainstream position).
Great interview!!!
In reference to Michael's reference to Misery, another good book, or weird, on the fanascination of caring for people is Choke by Palahniuk.
The Chinese youth is expressing this malaise, or even hopelessness, by "Lying Flat".
I'd like to quote the words of Sponge Bob..."It's opposite day!!"🧸
I would like to hear these guys view on the new media industry complex that feeds on these issues, but have no interest in the solution to a problem as their income comes from the fight over the coverage.
Zuby seems intelligent and educated.
He is. I think he studied programming in university and went to international schools when younger.
Oxbridge graduate.
Zuby asked the questions that popped up in my head. Good interview.
Zuby, you must watch Mysery dude, it's a fantastic film.
The moderator is up there with Maya agelou and Amanda gorman in inability to speak
Us bashing I expected more
no global warming.
It’s generally acknowledged that there’s been a 1C rise since 1850. There’s no consensus on whether and to what extent humans have contributed to it.
And if they have there’s no consensus on to what extent it is bad or a “crisis.” And if it is bad or a “crisis” it’s not automatic how we should respond to that. For example, there is a very powerful argument from Alex Epstein that we need more, not less fossil fuel use.
this zuby guy is pretty good
Thank you for this I had no idea
Brilliant!
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