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Hey I was thinking and IM NOT saying princess peach should be the damsel in destress but with the way she was portrayed in the movie would princess daisy still work in future movies?
That is ironically why there's controversy. Most people on the internet love to hate and stir up drama because they feel like they have power over others.
@@jowysw The fact we're still dealing with it - and that it lead to an ingraining of the mindset rather than any form of introspection - makes a person feel pretty cynical
The way Rotten Tomatoes has been used as exemption of criticism, defense or people misunderstanding the website is fascinating. Twitter especially good lord.
But seriously though, I still don't think RT is or should be a good indicator as to whether something is good or bad. I think people should watch whatever interests them and form their own opinions and thoughts on any piece of art.
The real winners are the people that come to their conclusions of a film’s quality through the merit of the arguments instead of using any scores as a source of the quality of the film.
@@AnisterStarlight Rotten Tomatoes doesn't give scores, it just shows the % of good/bad reviews of people on that side. Aside from Captain Marvel where they directly intervened and changed %, locking it.
I don’t get why people defend this movie like it’s somehow being overhated and how nobody but them likes it. The movie is making billions, Nintendo doesn’t need a defense squad.
I can't believe that in film discourse we went from "Movies made for Kids don't have to be shallow and can tackle very adult and powerful themes" with Puss in Boots to "It's a kids movie, bro" to defend the Mario Movie in less than half a year. I'm glad that a lot of Mario Fans enjoyed the movie. In a Hollywood Landscape where people put in charge of adapting these stories into films seem to actively hate the source material, I'm sure it's nice to see a movie that was clearly made by people passionate about Mario, but I can't help but think it would've been even better if they had actually made a strong story.
In fairness I think they're just articulating themselves poorly, and that there's some value in trying to understand what they mean. I imagine their point is closer to "It doesn't make sense to critique a comedy based off of its story rather than its humour, this is the same thing". If I had to play devil's advocate, I'd say that it's unhelpful for movie reviewers to be critical of a movie for not being something it's not trying to be, as their job is to create an unbiased and informative review so that consumers can decide whether or not they want to watch the film, _not_ to say whether or not they enjoyed the film themselves. I imagine most people considering watching it would not be expecting any sort of profound story, so having the story be the focal point of the review doesn't inform their decision at all. I don't necessarily agree, and it doesn't excuse aggression towards reviewers, but if I had to guess I'd say that's more or less how they feel rather than "it's a kids movie so it should be dumb" or "it's bad on purpose", keeping in mind they're probably kids or just casual enjoyers of the film.
This falls on nintendo's shoulders they were the ones who green lighted this movie. Its not like they can't make a better story. I would have liked to have seen Mario and DK bound more in the eel's belly and not just have their problems solved. Just like I would have liked to have seen Peach give Mario a 1 up mushroom before Mario fought DK. And finally I would have liked to have seen to mini mushroom work like in the games where mario can jump high and longer distant. And when DK hit Mario when Mario was mini and Mario died and the 1 up would have saved his life.
@@QuokkaWaka I kinda see where you’re coming from, but wouldn’t a review talking about the summary of a movie be informative and provide some insight to some people who may be interested in or have doubts about seeing a film? Sure, there are Mario fans that didn’t mind the movie not having much of a story, but there were people, Mario fans and non-fans alike, that did care about that aspect of the film. Also, a review is simply another word for “evaluation”, with synonyms that include: an opinion. I think it’s rather impossible for critics to not have their opinions or biases bleed into their reviews, whether consciously or unconsciously, and it’s even more silly to suggest that critics shouldn’t express whether they personally like or dislike a movie. It would be the equivalent of expecting a food critic to recommend or not recommend a restaurant to customers, but not to express whether they like or dislike the food or service of the restaurant. Lastly, one can acknowledge that certain films shouldn’t have unrealistic standards or expectations placed on them and also acknowledge that that shouldn’t be an excuse for filmmakers to play it safe or not put effort in to their work. I would be much more willing to be sympathetic and play devil’s advocate to the fans if they didn’t make bad faith arguments like, “It’s a dumb kids movie” (sorry, I can never take that argument seriously, regardless if it’s a child or adult making the argument), especially since most of these people making these arguments are not kids, but adults who should realize that it’s not a convincing argument if you’re trying to get people to understand your viewpoint.
@@scottchaison1001 Did you even read my comment? I never said that there was something wrong with a film having a simple story. Even if I did say I disliked the film for having a simple story, nowhere did I say that other people are wrong for being satisfied with a simple story. I simply said that there were people that wanted more out of the film than what they got. Those are two different things. One can still appreciate and be satisfied with the film despite a simple story while still wishing that the film did more expansion.
Fun Fact: Shigeru Miyamoto thanked all the critics' negative reviews. Saying they helped the Super Mario Bros Movie's growing success. He basically killed them with kindness. Gotta love a legend like him.
Nintendo seems to take criticism this way almost as a rule. I think that's a good rule for success and innovation, which has been Nintendo's strategy for a while now.
@@wakkaseta8351 I guess there’s still people who actually think he hates stories. He does NOT hate stories. He just thinks that the gameplay is more important in Mario and if he hates stories, why does he let Zelda have a story? There’s a whole video debunking that he DOES like stories and he didn’t really ruin Paper Mario
To be fair it is refreshing to an female character in cinema such as Princess Peach and not the ones we’ve been cursed to “tolerate” for the past few years such as Mulan live action remake.
ANd on the other side there's a small size of people claiming the Mario film embraces socialism and feminism which is another shitter for the film's clout
I’ll cut Nintendo and illumination some slack for the pacing since The Super Mario Bros. Movie is the first movie based on a Nintendo franchise to be made in almost 30 years.
We live in an era where people attach themselves so hard to anything they like, that if anyone doesn’t like or enjoy the same thing as them, they treat it as a personal attack.
@@Aisubun But I agree with this hypocritical controversy with the Mario movie because of the toxicity. Say what you will about the Disney direct to video sequels, but at least that there are people who don't bash other people for liking them.
I remember when my college professor didn't like the official trailer to the Super Mario Bros movie and his reasoning was because it seemed like they were throwing in all sorts of Mario references, and it seemed cheap to him (this was before the film came out). These people would've lost their minds if they found out about his take.
When you adapt something, there are things you need to change,keep, and remove. And this movie is a good example on why in adaptations you need to that. Because of the need to throw references all the time, it felt like it nothing was ever properly developed or established. Like why is there a pipe that leads to the real world to the other world? Why didn’t bowser just use the superstar from the beginning?
@@leviticusprime4904 The warp pipe can be easily explained as one of those typical gateways into another dimension you see in other films and shows. But that's a good point. Why didn't Bowser use the superstar at the beginning? What was stopping him from doing so aside from using it as something to impress Peach? I'd say this is where the likes of Sonic 2 shines. I'm not trying to compare the Mario Movie to the Sonic movies, but when you look at the Sonic films, you see them reference certain parts of the Sonic canon which are more subtle and not so 'in your face', like Knuckles liking grapes, Eggman's classic outfit, the instruction manual being like a Sega Genesis manual, etc.
@@eslm-studios2996 well they did kinda explain it, when the koopa asked what if she said no and Bowser burned him, he said that he would power up with the star and destroy the mushroom kingdom
Honestly I’m still not happy that they didn’t credit the dude who made the DK rap, since if they have time to bring in the DK rep then they had time to put his name up there.🐱
My only counterpoint is that they didn't credit the guy who wrote the Fury Bowser theme, which plays in the celebration scene after the koopas get the star. They also straight rip that track from the game version, and it's credited the exact same way as the DK rap. Not really a defense of the actions, more so pointing out that people aren't defending that guitarist who got zero credit either.
This is, coincidentally enough, the unfortunate reputation Nintendo fans (stans) have. I saw this coming from a mile away before the movie even released
Yep, it was pretty obvious to me that something like this would happen when the shitstorm around Chris Pratt started, not counting the twitter assholes hating him for the fake drama and lies they were spreading before his role announcement. It makes me dread the time when another Nintendo IP gets a movie because I know it'll be worse.
@@leviticusprime4904 Remember before the Switch launch? There were literally an audience on UA-cam dedicated to constantly say the console was "doomed" and basically wishing that it was just because.
Yep, with big-name, Hollywood actors to boot instead of lesser-known actors that are more experienced in voice acting. That’s about as Hollywood as you can get. Most of the movie screams “made in Hollywood” (the very idea of a studio making a film based on an established property is a current Hollywood trend in and of itself) with the exception of some intervention from Nintendo and Miyamoto to the writing and storyline.
@@BirdsandGhibliFan the cast is made of great actors. Veteran voice actors, Chris Pratt voiced 2 Lego movies. Jack Black voiced 3 Kung Fu Panda movies, and Shark Tale. Keegan Michael Key has voiced in Toy Story 4, The Lion King, Wendell and Wild, The Lego movies, Hotel Transylvania movies, The Angry Birds movies, Storks, Chip n Dale, Pinocchio, Migration, The Star. He's a super prolific voice actor. Charlie Day has voiced in Monsters University, and Both Lego movies. Anya Taylor Joy has voiced in The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance. Seth Rogen has voiced in The Lion King, Sausage Party, Shrek 3, The Spiderwick Chronicles, Monsters Vs Aliens, the Kung Fu Panda movies, Horton Hears A Who, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
@@joeybaseball7352I stand corrected (although as a side note, if I’m supposed to take you at your word, Anya-Taylor Joy has only voiced in one other film or series, so I wouldn’t say she’s a veteran in voice acting). I meant to include Jack Black, Seth Rogen, and Kevin Michael Richardson as being the only three with the most voice acting experience in my original comment, but I must’ve forgot. With that said, though, even with all of these actors having experience in voice acting animated films, I still don’t think any of the voice performances in this film are that groundbreaking or stand out in any way, even with the actors I do like, like Jack Black. In my opinion, Seth Rogen is way overused as a voice actor, and that trademark laugh he does is not only grating but also totally out of place for the role he’s playing as Donkey Kong. Plus, it’s super annoying to see conservatives and cultural warriors weirdly using these big-name actors (i.e. Chris Pratt) of this film or this film in general as some big statement against Hollywood when most of these actors are probably not even remotely right-wing in politics whatsoever. But, that’s a topic for another day. Nevertheless, for the record, I think Jack Black, Seth Rogen and Kevin Michael Richardson are the only actors in this cast with the most voice acting experience because they have the most prolific track record in voice work out of any other actor in this cast. The rest have only voice acted in a couple, several, or few films and/or mostly played in a non-leading/minor character role. Regardless, if this film was just another animated film made by Illumination with no Mario elements in it, I think a lot more people would be calling out Illumination for using big-name actors as a cheap way to prop the film. I personally don’t mind big-name actors being voice actors in animated films as much as other people just as long as they perform well. I am merely addressing the people pretending that Illumination or even more laughably, the actors are somehow some anti-establishment force in Hollywood or something, and pointing out that if the folks who hate Hollywood were consistent in their beliefs, they would champion lesser-known actors or more experienced voice actors that are not as famous as Hollywood A or B-listers. I have this feeling that a lot of people would hypocritically not give this same merciful treatment to any other typical film that has an all-star cast.
@@joeybaseball7352yeah so they were good in other movies not this one, there isn't one actor in history that did good movies that also didn't do bad movies, it's part of the job, they can't all be winners, and none of those people should have been cast as voice actors for a Mario movie
I think one of the funniest things about this situation is that the Mario movie is currently at 59% on Rotten Tomatoes. A movie must have more than a 60% score to be considered fresh. It is literally 1 point off from being considered a "good" movie, and yet people are acting like every critic despises this movie.
The absolute switch-up that everyone made on this movie is insane to me everyone kept shitting on chris and memeing about how the movie was gonna be trash and now that it’s out, everyone is blindly defending the movie and saying that it’s the best thing ever made. And the craziest part is… NO ONE HAS APOLOGIZED TO CHRIS YET!!!
@@paradoxinteractiveprisoner4244 bruh really trying to bring politics into this. And besides it's usually the terminaly online twitter leftists who hate Chris Pratt because he's christian.
The same kids that are saying it's trash because it's for kids are the same ones that are making videos using fan made clips about how fnaf isn't for kids. At least that's my theory.
@@Avaitor_YTNAF is for teenagers. I don’t expect the movie to be rated R, as Scott doesn’t like explicit or visual gore. He only puts gruesome violent scenes in the books.
@@juliabp6057 I mean, the real question is what age group is joining fnaf consistently and when are they playing fnaf for the first time. Who it's for and who it's marketed towards are technically different things. When did YOU first play it is probably a good question to start of with.
@@BirdsandGhibliFan Both. Both equally. I said that side as that was the one I was introduced to first. So that was the one I was used to talking about.
I swear to God if Illimination gets the greenlight to make a Zelda movie, nothing will be able to stop my rage. Illumination can't handle adapting something with depth.
If Nintendo wants to make a Zelda movie, dream works should do it. They should've done this movie since they seem to do well with the fairy tale adaptations they've done. Plus puss in boots was Good
Illumination will ruin the masterpiece that is Zelda. And if they do make a movie, and its terrible, you can't use the excuse that it's "a kids movie" cause Majoras Mask is the most terrifying game concept ever and that's a Zelda game.
I think it's funny that people are saying that the Mario Movie lacking much character development/story isn't a problem because "the Mario games don't do that either", because the same people that use that defense are also the kinds of people who want MORE story in Mario games (such as the stuff from Galaxy/Sunshine or the RPGs) and say that the lack of story/characterization in the modern games compared to the Gamecube/Early Wii eras is actively harming the series, lmao.
It’s so weird seeing people get so upset when an online stranger doesn’t have the same opinion with them. It’s like they get embarrassed for liking the product and take it out on those people. Honestly, that’ll make them look more embarrassing than getting caught watching children media.
I honestly have this problem, I can seriously ask someone why they like something to better understand their opinion. I often ask about the flaws and people get offended. Despite me being serious and .ifht be interested in what they see in case I missed something.
@@scottchaison1001 Granted, some critics had some stupid takes on the film, but there have been other instances of people using the “dumb kids movie” excuse towards people who had legitimate gripes about the movie, like the story structure, pacing, song choices, or characterization.
People getting angry about the Mario Bros. Movie's critics is no surprise to me cause it's EXACTLY how Nintendo fans operate when you say something similar about anything they like. For example, when Smash was still doing DLC and a character got announced and you didn't care for them, you could literally just say "I don't care about this character, I would of rather them add this." They would literally react the exact same way. There's tons of other examples of this, but I think I've made my point.
@Smash Bro Nikko oh yeah that makes sense then, I don't know why I didn't consider that. I really didn't think it through before I commented that, so just ignore what I said lol.
FE fans when someone says that they don't care for the FE character in question being announced: (It was a joke, but it's crazy how you can't say that you simply don't care about someone like Byleth or Phyra (Idk how to spell her name)/Mythra without them spamming the "Hoes Mad" meme over and over again and constantly telling you that you should be grateful for what Sakurai gives us, like, f*ck off with that, I was just stating my opinion without being aggressive about it)
The Mario Movie ain't perfect, but it's been pretty successful for a reason. But jeez, there are legitimate criticisms to be had of the film, it's crazy to see so many people lose it over any form of criticism. As for Peach? She's been competent in the games plenty of times, so it's nothing new. I just wish her personality and mannerisms overall felt more like her game counterpart, which I don't see anything wrong with.
The release of Spider-Verse put all of these defenses to the ground. It proved that a "fan-service" movie with hundreds of references per-second can also be a thrilling and emotional narrative. Unfortunetly, some references alone are enough to give a movie box-office relevance so this Mario movie will always be at the top while movies like Kung Fu Panda, Toy Story and many others aside from Spider-Verse will be "below" it because they don't have the crowd-pleasing experience this movie offers
Exactly! I’m not the biggest Marvel or Spider-Man fan, but the Spider-Verse franchise is a perfect example of a film based off an IP that resonates well with both the target audience and non-fans alike, as well as standing out on its own as a film with the stunning animation and engaging story. I wish this was a concept that the Mario movie fans would understand.
@@WakerOfTheSky Who said that the Mario movie needs to be an emotional narrative? Nobody except folks like yourself making a strawman of what other people said.
@@WakerOfTheSkyComparing is not the same as saying that the Mario movie should be exactly like those films. Please know the difference. The OP is simply pointing out that the Mario movie had the potential to have fan-service and references kept in while having a better written story and improved characterization, not that the movie should have the exact same quality as those films.
As a lifelong fan, I wanted a movie made by somebody who understands Super Mario from a core conceptual standpoint, and is able to write some sort of gripping narrative around it. What we instead got was Cocomelon for brainless Nintendo soys.
@erickjrmaldonadoherrera4531 ...and you gotta get off Mario's dick and realise this movie is mid. It had so much potential, yet using the word "cocomelon for adults" isn't far off. The Pokemon and especially the Sonic movies did more. Thank God Barbie beat Mario in earnings
Thank you for this, because it's been a massive prevailing problem and I feel like I can't even say "I thought it was enjoyable but it certainly wasn't fantastic or anything" without someone jumping down my throat for "not understanding what a reference is" or whatever
Same just cuz it got references doesn't make it automatically good. Is really hard nowadays to express your opinion without ppl attacking you cuz you didn't like a popular movie.
@@locomotivetrainstation6053 You missed the point of what he’s saying. He’s explaining how the “it’s a kids movie” defense doesn’t make a lot of sense (especially when it’s adults trying to defend the movie) and the people who make this argument sound as if they’re saying, “the movie is supposed to be bad or mediocre because it’s a kids movie” (which sounds like they’re admitting that the film is not good instead of praising it). If you’re trying to make a case that a film is good, making that argument is not the way to do it.
@@locomotivetrainstation6053 So? He’s not talking about the games. He’s talking about the movie, a medium designed to tell a story and develop character arcs.
@@locomotivetrainstation6053 I never said that the movie had to have a deep plot. But, to some people, the movie needs to be a little more than just a beat-by-beat imitation of the games with references. It’s possible to have all of the references and fan service kept in the film while having a better written story and characterization woven into the mix. That’s the point that most people critical of the film are making.
17:14 "It crossing $1 billion at the box office" This is why Im SO glad that the Barbie movie exists. Cause it did so in a shorter space of time, had now earnt more than the Mario movie and had more fierce competition to do so. The Barbie movie essentially describes the Mario movie for it: a cash grab. A safe cash grab, but a cash grab nonetheless. Hell. The Barbie movies plot and message it tells is at least more developed and more visible than the Mario Movie's
When I see a post about how the Barbie movie made more money than the Mario movie I always ALWAYS see people going “tHe MaRiO mOvIe DeSeRvEd To Be At ThE tOp!” Or something along those lines. Kinda unrelated but I genuinely feel like the only reason people were praising the Mario movie like it’s the second coming of Christ was because it was the MARIO movie. If it was the exact same movie just with original characters nobody and I mean NOBODY would care about it.
@@Rusty-2010 Indeed. I’d love to challenge the same people that are now praising Illumination all of a sudden for the Mario movie to go and see Illumination’s next film, “Migration”. I doubt there would be many that would want to see it. 🤣
Here's a thought for the animation community. Maybe... criticism can... Help create better movies...? It's not as though the bad reviews are going to prevent the Mario Movie from getting a sequel. It's the Mario Movie, they're going to milk that shit till the cows come home. But because enough attention is given to the legitimate criticism of the movie, the creators might have to reevaluate and fix on the next try to give us something even better. I don't think this should be treated as such a negative if the end result from this is more than likely to turn into something positive at the end of the day. ...Or y'know, it's Illumination, so they'll just play it safe again. Yeah, that seems more likely.
@@locomotivetrainstation6053 I think it’s because people are more willing to excuse bad quality in animated films more than live-action movies because “it’s meant for kids”, but you’re right. Constructive criticism should be welcomed regardless if it’s toward an animated or live-action film. I think if more people treated animated films like films, as they should be, there wouldn’t be as many people targeting people who enjoy animated films or writing off animated films as a medium.
@@BirdsandGhibliFan Sometimes people will acknowledge that a film was trying to be something significant for the public, rather than a critical achievement of a film. When that happens people likely won't make too big of a fuss about the film being average or less. This applies to all kinds of movies (not just stuff for the kids). I don't think that excuse means these movies should get a pass to being considered good. It just means that it's kinda unnecessary for people to criticise it like a failed masterpiece. I'm not trying to insult animation here. I do believe it is medium that work for anyone. That being said I think what your saying isn't what @DimeUhDozen meant. People were mostly bothered by the criticism for the Mario Movie because they love Mario and don't like hearing negative feedback towards the movie.
Rotten Tomatoes should only be brought up as a reference guide for audiences and critics consensus. Not to reflect on a film’s overall quality. Great video!
My problem with this film isn't that its a Mario movie. Its that its made by Illumination, aka the "We make money, therefore we should never innovate" company. Giving them access to other people's IPs is not a good thing. Its like giving an alcoholic caffeine, they will just indulge in their problem more because they won't feel it as much. I have to stand by the critics with this one, out of principle alone. Illumination is filled with FANTASTIC animators, its just their directors and executives are swimming in Scrooge McDuck money piles, and can't be bothered to actually make something new.
B-but you don’t understand! If Disney made this film, they would’ve made it “woke” and everything! This is an actual argument that I’ve heard people make about why Illumination is the “better” studio to handle the Mario franchise, despite the fact that some of Illumination’s past work make some modern Disney films almost seem like classic Disney by comparison.
Honestly, aside from Francis (easily the worst part of the movie; thank God he was only important in the first act), this movie doesn’t feel too terribly Illumination-esque. A lot of this movie was made with Nintendo breathing down their necks the whole time, so it definitely is better than all of their other movies. I’m not sure how involved Illumination were with writing the script. They likely funded and animated the film, but, beyond that, I don’t know. This film was way better than what I’ve heard about other Illumination films. It didn’t have any “bad humor” in it, and it certainly didn’t feel as bland.
@@BirdsandGhibliFan How are people so obsessed with a director's, you know, direction for a film? Do they not understand movies reflect a creator's view of the world? I hate the people that constantly say that hollywood is "going woke", because they are inherently being disrespectful of a creator's vision for a work, and disrespecting the creative process behind most art.
@@pepearown4968 I mean the writer for this movie(Matthew Fogel) wrote Minions: Rise of Gru, so I do think Illumination did have some baring on the script, but I do think Nintendo was way more involved or at least supervising it.
@@Ijustusethistocommentstuff Yeah, I can’t stand those people, either. Just because a movie has political messages that I don’t necessarily agree with doesn’t mean that I won’t possibly find any value or enjoyment from that film. I think as long as it makes sense in terms of the story and that the messages are not told in a heavy-handed, preachy way, I personally don’t mind it. For example, I am no left-winger (I actually identify as a libertarian who feels politically homeless in both major political parties of America), but I enjoy a lot of Hayao Miyazaki’s work despite Miyazaki being outspoken about his left-wing politics in his films and in private life. Also, there are some messages in his films that I see eye-to-eye with him on, like his bold anti-war stance in some of his films, skepticism of technology and government/powerful people or institutions, especially the military, criticism of black-and-white thinking or us vs. them mentality, and living in harmony with nature. That’s not to say there isn’t any propaganda in films, narrative or documentary (because there is; looking at you, Netflix), but I think if people had more of an open mind, people would realize that although we might disagree on certain issues, we may have a lot in common and actually share similar views.
7:55 I left a comment saying "they saved an hour of time" under a meme of the entire movie remade in 1 minute with stock footage, and I kid you not some person has been arguing in the replies calling everyone stupid for criticizing or even joking about the movie for a week straight. At the time of writing this, he has since written over 50 comments fighting people under that video and is still going as we speak. 17:31 This! ...A month before the movie dropped, weirdos complained that it was w0kE because Peach is a "strong independent woman", Bowser is a "beta simp", and Mario is a "useless". Now the movie is out and they swear it's not woke anymore and owns the "liberal Disney". I miss the days when people had a personality and didn't turn everything into a "political agenda" culture war.
I remember when the Rotten Tomatoes critic score dropped I saw someone on Twitter legit say something along the lines of "I don't care if it's terrible, it's gonna be a 10/10 regardless." Like...huh?
Chris Pratt 100% deserves an apology from the internet. He did a fantastic job as Mario! Christ is Toon trying to assassinate my ears with that Gangsters Paradise sfx?
He was definitely trying a lot more than I thought he would but I still find it to be a case of miscasting. So I apologize for assuming it would be insufferable but I don't for thinking it was a strange casting decision.
From my experience on Twitter, Mario Movie discussions are an endless cycle of hell Most of them start with someone critiquing the movie, then turns into both fans and haters going batshit insane instead of being civil, with both sides forcing their beliefs and trying to prove why they are right I also hate how both sides treat critics, with the haters treating them like all-knowing god-like beings whose opinions should match ours, and fans treating them like criminals Both sides need to understand that critics, much like fans, are just humans. They are random people who watch movies for a living. Their bias is much more influenced by objectivity in many cases, but they're still normal ass biased humans As one of the biggest fans of this movie, I agree with many of the criticisms. I'll know bullshit when I see it, but I'll also know genuine criticism when I see it Also I'm glad you mentioned the "animation is cinema" thing, because while I agree and am one of the biggest supporters of that statement, many other supporters will say that, then proceed to say the one thing they hate the most (animation is """for kids""") when their favorite animated media is critized. Like... do y'all not see your own hypocrisy here??? Yes, Mario is for kids. Not EXPLICITLY for kids, but especially with the movie being made by Illumination, it is undoubtedly gonna be marketed for kids. That doesn't mean it should not he criticized. Animation is an art form. Cinema and writing is an art form. Art should be criticized. Just because art is mostly subjective or a product of expression does not make it free from criticism. Animation is no exception. In a way, it is a form of art on top of another form of art (cinema/writing). It NEEDS to be criticized. The industry treating it is a toddler's bedtime story has already been detrimental in letting it evolve into a greater form of storytelling, criticism should be accepted so creators can learn how to improve and take it further to show just how far animation can go as a form of art and storytelling. I hate this mentality that criticism = hate. I could go on about the Mario Movie's pacing, Owl House's squandered potential with its worldbuilding, etc. That doesn't mean I hate them. I LOVE them and want the crew behind these projects to use what made them so good while improving the bad parts, so their ideas can be taken further and make something truly special. Sorry for making this so long but I have so much to say about film and animation communities, especially after all the discussions about the Mario Movie from this past month. Hope you enjoyed my TED talk, uh go play Bug Fables or something idk
@@scottchaison1001 Maybe to you, the pacing was fine, but your opinion is not fact. Also, the OP said that he doesn’t hate the Mario film, but just sees the film as wasted potential that could’ve been done better. Your response is pretty disproportionate considering how this person’s feelings on the film is rather tame and harmless compared to some other people’s more inflammatory takes.
@@niteriemcfarlane5285 Do you seriously think that every critic that gave the Mario movie a low rating liked “Cuties”, let alone watched and reviewed that film at all? How do you know if some of those critics liked Mario movie and “Cuties”? Instead of bringing up valid points as to why the critics may be wrong in their assessment, you resort to poisoning the well. Pathetic.
The first movie I compared it too was the Sonic movie when it came out. Needless to say, there's a reason the movie is fast paced action and nothing else. If it was any slower, it would be BORING. The Sonic movie (despite being about a super fast hedgehog, so if it were fast paced I'd try and see past it as "gotta go fast") was actually well paced, had good action and actually had a GOOD story and message behind it, that DIDN'T just get pushed to the side on the first 25 minutes of the movie. That was the first Sonic movie. Anyone who says that the Mario movie was even comparable to the second Sonic movie needs a reality check
I don’t think people realize that the critic reviews and audience reviews are meant to show people what movies are worth watching, not to offend the people that like the movie… 😅
this might be off topic but I always hated the excuse: *"Just turn your brain off to enjoy the film"*. So then what's the point. No one expects Arcane-level writing from Illumination or etc., but that doesn't validate an underwhelming presentation (not talking about the Mario Movie, just bad films in general). There's always a different mode of expectations based on what the film claims it will deliver, along with general expectations, and "just turn off your brain and have fun" isn't one of them imo. As a Mario Fan since 2004, this film ascended me, but as a private movie-goer critic... I see how correct I was to delete my twitter. To overgeneralize, the overhype/backlash comes mostly from bored high schoolers.
I thought I was the only one that thought this phrase was a little stupid. I’m glad to be proven wrong in this regard. I’m autistic and have ADHD (I also suffer from intermittent insomnia possibly as a result of these conditions), so with an overactive brain like mine, it’s hard for me to turn my brain off even when I’m not watching a movie. In my opinion, the only way I can turn my brain off to watch a movie is if I’m heavily sedated, under the influence of alcohol, or if the film is boring me to tears so much that I’m falling asleep.
I'm a Mario fan and it is absolutely stupid to pretend ANY movie or game is perfect or immune to criticism. You like it and don't have a problem with it? Good for you. I thought it was awful. The casting alone showed how little they cared, using celebrities instead of the usual VAs or at least actual VAs. You can shove as many visual references into a movie as possible, and yeah I'll say "that's neat"or "I get that," but that alone does not make a good movie. Mario doesnt need a complex plot, but it has and CAN have them. The plot honestly is fine on paper, but the dialogue, music choices, casting, all of it just sinks it for me.
I agree with your point on the casting. I think the only actors in the cast who have at least some experience in voice acting beyond just one or two animated films are Seth Rogen, Jack Black and Kevin Michael Richardson, but even then, I felt like their performances (as Donkey Kong, Bowser, and Kamek, respectively) were disappointing and underwhelming as well, in my honest opinion.
Agreed the plot sounds good on paper but terrible when put to film and the celebritie casting yeah that didn't work for scoob when they had a celebrity voicing captain caveman with a normal voice
While i did enjoyed the film, the movie did lack a storyline and characterization. What many fans of franchise forget to understand that writing is the core of any medium. It can make or break a story. Stories, while can be entertaining, provides a lesson, a message. In the beginning it looked like it was going in that direction but then it got abandoned by focusing too much on references of the game. Sometimes we need to take off our nostalgia lens to properly analyze and critique things. That's how we learn from our mistakes and grow from it. There’s a reason why many of our favorite shows and movies we grew up as kids and those before our time were so memorable is because the creator or writers put effort and care into it and wanted to provide us lessons about life.
Here's the thing: I *am* a Mario fan. Galaxy is my favorite game of all time. Odyssey's probably in my top 10. I liked Lost Levels, I consider NSMBU the best 2D game, I love the RPGs, the sports titles are some of the only sports games I've ever played, I like Party, I like Kart, and in 2014 I did the most autistic thing ever and wrote a chronological timeline theory for the series. If the movie is full of fanservice, then why did I, as a fan, not feel like he was being serviced? It's almost like a movie needs to be more than eye candy. It needs to tell a fucking story. But the problem isn't that the plot was paper-thin. Everyone says that, but that's not the real issue. The issue is that even the paper-thin plot they were trying to tell wasn't told very well. It sucked at what it was trying to be.
Thank you for perfectly explaining the main issue lots of people have with this film. I don’t mind the Mario movie having a simple story, despite what some Mario fanatics might think, but the execution of that story is the issue. I also think some people use the simple story as an excuse for the writers to not try to expound upon their story, since the “kids movie” excuse has been rightfully mocked to oblivion, or as a distraction/red herring so as to not address the real issue(s) people have with the film. So, they look for the next easy excuse to write off obvious flaws in the film, like the pacing or confusing character dynamics. So, while I don’t think the Mario movie needs to have Oscar-bait material in order to be good, I believe that the movie had the potential to stand out even with a simple story, given how there’s lots of rich stories in the RPGs plus the many examples of films attempting to leave a memorable impression on the audience even with a simple story or concept.
@Blended Circuit honestly I feel like the references in the movie will be more suddle, where in the Mario movie it felt like they were shoving it in my face.
@@scottchaison1001 listen dude I know your hobby is to annoy people, but that won't make your father come back, because that is my opinion on how I think of the references in both movies
I wish that there were more original Mario songs instead of pop songs. The Luma with the trumpet at the end was genuinely touching, wish we could’ve had more stuff like that
as a horror fan. it's kind of funny seeing how the movie's defenders can't calm down over an ok score to an ok movie while horror fans sat in silence as horror movies got much worse scores for years
It kinda hurt me since I went in expecting a damn good story using the Mario cast. Most of the games have a pretty bare bones plot so I thought in the movie the writers were going to pull out a creative story with the wackiness that is the Mario universe. Now to sound condescending but the part I was looking forward to just wasn’t there. It also didn’t help that I had dropped out of the hardcore fan faze a year prior.
I remember I used to have the same mentality when it comes to Rotten Tomato critics, but then I started to read into them for some films and began to realize how most of their reviews are level-headed and neutral. Although they do get it wrong sometimes, it's not close to the amount of times that I initially thought before. Good vid, Cartoonshi 🙏
I'm 17 and love a lot of "kids" content (mainly cartoons) because it can be quiet enjoyable and also have complexity and depth. So I had some expectations for the Mario movie and it failed me, it has very little of that. It doesen't make it illegal to enjoy it, it's good for kids and for people playing and liking the Mario franchise. Different people have *objectively* different taste, the discussion isn't "subjective" but also can't be about wether it's *universally* good or bad, it has objective upsides and downsides and it's up to you to decide how much each of them matters (I personally have a hard time appreciating the upsides here if you are not a Mario gamer though...).
Yea, but that really is my only problem with the movie. And I don't think it really needed a deep story. But the pacing could have definitely been slower.
Thank you for talking about this issue. It's sometimes hard to read about movies when the discussion is either blindly hateful or blindly loving and no inbetween. For example, I liked the Puss and Boots movie but the love for it puts down other Studio movies and puts Dreamworks on a high pedestal. I also share the same absolute dislike to all the blaming of a movie's success or failure to "wokeness" or "anti-wokeness". Most recent example of a failure was Disney's Strange World, and oh did people blame its story flaws on the fact it had been spent on "woke agenda". People genuinely believing that make me fall down several mental stairs of exhaustion and I hate the fact I ever watched Yellowflash and the Quartering during the Vic fiasco, when it is so clear they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about nowadays.
According to my informant, strange world was woke, it's entire point was merely to push an agenda, that being normalizing gayness and an extremely poorly designed and preachy environmental message. Really is just like ferngully, but somehow less deep (ferngully is as shallow as a kiddy pool) and more preachy with an added gayness.
@@mrlaz9011 that, unappealing stories, is a side effect of being woke, they (at least strange world) existed merely to push an agenda, so nothing was made due to inspiration to tell a compelling story (most modern disney movies suffer from this), so everything was shallow. Raya just was trying to do (like Encanto) too much and was more fitting to be a tv show (Raya and Encanto would have been better if they were TV shows). It was not even the case that they were undercooked, I think the director (of Raya) was probably just not very competent (Encanto's director did fine). Yeah the world and concepts were underdeveloped, but I think for different reasons, one was lack of inspiration (the only reason strange world exists was for the director to push an agenda, not tell a story). The other (Raya) was a mix of what you said and just an incompetent director.
@@tombolt13thexehanort29 ....i was with you..... on the first 3 WORDS of you comment and then stop taking you seriously when you said "side effect of being woke" XDDDDD
Imagine getting upset that even though a majority of movie critics liked an animated video game adaptation, the majority wasn't large enough to meet some website's arbitrary standard.
I really don’t understand the "argument" that "but the game had a bare-bones plot too." It’s like saying a game had badly written characters, so its adoption can’t have good characters.
I feel like I'm one of the few people who understood the references in the movie, and have been a Mario fan for basically my entire life, but still didn't care for the movie. And it's frusterating that I can't actually voice that in any meaningful way without people assuming I just didn't like it because it wasn't made by Pixar or whatever
Yeah, I agree. I think the fans misconstrue when people compare this movie to other animated films (which are fair points to be made against the film) and act as if those people are putting the film on an unrealistically high standard to have the same quality as those films, which are not the same thing. In fact, it seems like the people acting as if this movie should be on the same wavelength as an Oscar-winning Scorsese-like masterpiece (or wanting the film to be one in a wishful thinking kind of way) are the fans themselves, and are projecting by saying to others, “Oh, you’re expecting this to be like Pixar or like an Oscar-winning film!”, especially when no one has even mentioned that it should be like those types of films except the fans themselves.
@@traviscunningham7062 I would put Toy Story 4 as the example instead of Turning Red. God I don't want to know what they are going to pull for the 5th one.
I'm all for criticism for valid reasons but for people who cry about the Mario movie having Mario game references should know thats it takes place in the Mario world
@@arturferrao7353 it had little to do with mario other than a names and weird character designs that hardly resembled the characters every marip fan back than and now agreed that it was a load of rubbish everybody back than associated mario with fun platforming and vibrant graphics that wasn’t it
Just to nitpick about that person praising illumination for "caring about the money" as if it's a good thing, they are stupid. Your praising an animation studio who have the most lackluster and mediocre filmography in the whole world compared to other animation studios. Hell, them caring more about money is WHY their films are mid because they don't bother to try since they already know their generic products will give them lots of money. That is not a good mindset. 💀
Ditto. My favorite animation studio is Studio Ghibli, and I have a book about the studio and its filmography. There is a page that summarizes the studio’s history, and one paragraph starts by saying, “Ghibli’s goal was to make high-quality movies, and maintaining and developing the company was secondary.” I can feel that ethos and philosophy a lot when watching their films. With Illumination, not so much. Also, I feel like if Illumination can easily make boatloads of money at the box office, they should at least invest some of that money into their future projects. Also, their budgets for their films aren’t as bloated compared to their competitors, like Pixar and Disney, so really, what’s their excuse to be cheap and complacent?
I have to say, it's the okayiest movie, could be liked by everyone and nothing really terrible, the story is pretty fast and straight forward, little guy gets sent to another dimension and shows people it's not the size or popularity that makes the person, it's the courage, it's a solid 5/10 for people that don't know Mario for the alright story, amazing animation and great foght scenes and fun characters, and 7/10 for Mario fans for it being a pretty spot on mario movie
Worst things invented in humanity: - Nuclear bombs - Marvel Cinemaic Universe (look at the state cinema was when the MCU was at peak) - The "Woke" word And many many more...
This is very similarly how I feel about the owl house. It’s a fine show, but man the fans are absolutely crazy. You can’t critique that show one bit without the fans rushing to defend it. They are so defensive it’s actually crazy. I get that the show was shortened, but I should still be able to critique things wrong with it, minus pacing issues cause those are understandable. The shortening made people act like you can’t critique the show at all
@@niteriemcfarlane5285 Regardless of how you feel about “The Owl House”, you pretty much proved the point that the OP was making that the Mario fandom is just as bad and reflexively defensive as “The Owl House” fandom.
I know I’m a whole year late to this debacle but this video perfectly sums up the double standard of Mario Movie defenders. They say it’s absolute peak cinema but if you criticize any aspect of the film, they switch up and say it’s a dumb kids movie that’s not meant to be taken seriously.
This is probably my favorite video when it comes to the whole Mario movie debacle. It’s a shame that most people can’t think of feedback or criticism as more than just “Positive = good, Negative = bad.” And I know that people try to argue “it goes both ways. People who liked the movie also get bashed.” The thing is though is that cynical people, especially the political folks like Geeks and Gamers, are already bad apples to begin with and are way more niche than those who project toxic positivity because the former are purposefully looking for a reaction. Don’t get me wrong, toxicity will always be wrong but you can’t argue with me that both are even remotely equal, and especially not just in the Nintendo fanspace. I want to see Nintendo and Illumination improve in a sequel while also seeing Miyamoto being more open to the prospect of Mario having more substantial stories like the RPG titles. However, that likely won’t be possible with this discourse.
Cartoonish and whole internet: *Makes tons of videos bout movie* My country: Yea... we'll let that movie into ours theathers from 26th of May... yea wait more and dont understand the context of movie
That’s Nintendo fans for you. You make ONE criticism about something in regards to a franchise they love and they will start attacking you and defend the product like it’s no end.
Like how lot of Sonic fans act like Arlo is oppose of the Sonic franchise and "jealous" of Sonic fanbase getting good Sonic content just because he doesn't like Sonic Movie 2? I remember.
The reason they have such a brittle reaction "It's just for Mario fans" is simple. They slammed games like Sonic Mania for targeting people who are nostalgia blind. And this only proves that they have been targeted as well. And in their minds , a target is a life long sucker , it's a weakness they would rather deny.
As I brought in comment section to original video: Lego Movie is peak example of how you can make a compelling narative by just using main cores and symbols of brand. Back in the 2014 when Dishonored 2 having female lead was expected with no controversy and everyone with leak of media analysis knew Joel gonna die in sequel, most people rightfully pointed how Lego Movie should be the prime example of how you do the brand driven movies for kids. The issue being that now everyone is Big Brother who rewrites history to make Mario Movie being even close in it's storytelling to Lego Movie.
Thank god someone who actually had a level headed take on the movie is talking about the toxic behavior this movie got. I loved the movie but I’m not one to go out of my way to diss people who didn’t like it
even as a mario fan, love mario 64 and the hat game and have so many hours in mario maker, the fact they need to call the movie "super mario MOVIE" shows that they know this isnt a good movie, just like the emoji movie. if you need to mention that a movie is a movie, it probably sucks. its literally like date movie, epic movie and disaster movie. its just refrences and nothing else and it has to remind you that its a movie. if i want refrences, i would play the games . this is blatant nostalgia baiting and deserves no money, dont make a movie if it has no plot, this is yet another bad videogame movie the visuals are beatiful and the animations feels very alive (bowser felt weird tho), probably fun if you take some mushrooms or acid, but thats it. its like new COD games or most triple A. sure the visuals / graphics are good but thats not a substitute for other stuff its like they recorded gameplay with OSB and then animated it with CGI. And yes the movie looks beatiful, but thats it
My favorite part of all this is when websites like Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB claim they are removing negative reviews under the guise of review bombing. Yet all the bots/people giving the movie a 10 and blindly loving it are allowed to stay. Thus reinforcing the echo chamber of toxic positivity, leading to droves of people being absolute cuntish ninnies on the internet. People say why care about RT or imdb but the problem is those websites, for better or worse (definitely worse) are used as a metric of success, movies that get "good" ratings make more money and are more likely to be used as a template for future movies. We the viewers need a fair field to criticize movies, and our criticism is valid and should be on display (COUGH youtube downvotes being removed). Yes people abuse their ability to criticize topics, yet people also abuse the ability to shield a topic with toxic positivity and other bad faith arguments.
People who use the term "It's a kids movie" when criticizing an animated film are part of the reason why Trolls is getting 7 sequels while Milo Murphy's Law is stuck at 1 season.
@@joaquinm9148 I think the 7 sequels are hyperbolic for levity’s sake, but his point is that the people using “it’s a kid’s movie” to defend an animated film are why most major animation studios rely on franchises and sequels (or in this case, an advertisement for a video game with not much substance) instead of taking risks and being creative, which they should do.
The criticism about the story is actually something Illumination probably wants because they understand they can't do this again. Another movie that relies on references with little character growth and a thin story will not cut it for a sequel. Hopefully, the success of this film will allow for the story team to be less shackled next time or with other adaptations. Because they were shackled. Concept art has leaked of Toadsworth and Toadette being in the movie along with crowds of toads who were clearly male and female. I also believe things like Peach's past and Donkey Kong's relationship with his father would have gotten more concentration if Miyamoto had not insisted on the plot remaining light like the games. It was all they could do to have Luigi be the one captured instead of Peach which was the right call.
There's nothing wrong with the story being simple like in most of the games, especially since it's the first movie. And the movie doesn't just relies on the references, the movie stands on its own, if you don't know anything about Mario the movie would still be very enjoyable. And Peach and DK were great, I don't know what you're talking about.
Remember when we loved The Force Awakens for about a week until we started complaining about the nostalgia pandering? Why does Mario get a pass for that?
@@DarthJoshReturns It’s crazy how the fan response in defense of both “The Force Awakens” and the Mario movie are pretty much the same. In both cases, the fans hardly defend the movie on its own merits, but instead attack people for criticizing the film, simp for the lead actor and make said actor out to be the victim, and exploit the film for political purposes. Plus, much of the defense seems to be nostalgia-driven brand loyalty more than anything else.
Honestly all those toxic Mario movie fans who defend it and bully others for a having diffrent opinion only made me dislike the movie itself. The movie is fine for what it is but at the same time that doesn't mean they couldn't at least try a bit more . I don't think that others would care about it if wasn't about Mario.
I went back and forth so much on whether I thought I should watch it, and I'm glad I did, but I'd be lying if I said it left a major impression on me a week after viewing it. It was fun, I'd maybe rewatch it, but it wasn't a masterpiece, unlike something like Puss in Boots The Last Wish or Marcel, the Shell with Shoes On. I'm of the belief that all "kids" media is bad, because only kids can enjoy it. I don't think of Toy Story or How to Train Your Dragon as "kids movies", I just think of them as movies. And so while I don't think Mario is a kids movie, since it's a movie with a wider appeal than that, I'd be completely lying if I said it was a masterpiece that will permanently stand the test of time. I honestly can't remember the last time I saw this much of a whiny childish temper tantrum of a response to negative criticism, and it makes me eternally grateful that I don't use Twitter and that I wisened up and stopped following the channels you mentioned at the end, since that was not a healthy period for my mental state during that time. Once again proving why you're one of my personal favorite movie reviewers, I don't agree with every take but you keep a level head when reviewing media, and that's all I want.
I was pretty annoyed when I saw people on my side of the political aisle using this film as some own or takedown on Disney. Just because the film doesn’t have a gay character or something doesn’t make it an “anti-woke” film, especially when the film is not even political at all. SMH Much of this culture war nonsense is causing a sort of psychosis in some people on both sides, and I’m glad I’m largely not invested in it as some other people. As I’ve said in another comment, it’s gotten to the point where I’m fatigued and indifferent with much of political discourse.
@@scottchaison1001 How does that invalidate the OP’s opinion in any way? If you think the Mario movie is a masterpiece and that “Puss In Boots: The Last Wish” is not, that’s totally fine. But, you are not the arbiter of what other people should and should not find as masterpieces.
There’s like at least 7 Mario games that have a more creative and engaging story than the movie. I like the movie enough but I don’t understand why people feel the need to undersell the source material to prop it up.
@@retrofan4963 The fans shoot themselves in the foot when they make lapses of self-awareness like this. It’s almost like they’re saying, “The games are nothing special, so why do you have such lofty expectations about the film?” without realizing that they are making a backhanded statement about the movie as a result.
People did this with the new transformers film too, but to a lesser extent. I just don't get why people get so mad about any amount of criticism towards films they like. It's one thing if it's invalid criticism or prople criticize the people for liking it instead of just the art, but really outside of that if you get mad at criticism of a movie or something, then you're probably getting too personally attached to media and need to grow up.
10:20 Ironically enough, I've seen the Rotten Tomatoes scores for the Paw Patrol movie and everyone loves that film. Which just makes the fact that there are people having a panic attack over negative Mario movie reviews even funnier.
@@Ramsey276one It would take longer to get the rights and resources than it's gonna take for Nintendo to make a new console and I do feel it'd be extremely ambitious, to an unrealistic degree, but it would be absolutely wild
The fact that the first Sonic movie focused so much on the live action characters and setting the scene basically meant that the second movie could do so much more in terms of the game-related things or the /Sonic/ stuff which is honestly amazing They did extremely well and I do hope they evolve the Mario movie's format for the better
It's pretty obvious that all the fanservice cameos were to try and set up a Mario Cinematic Universe, so give them about 5 years to start making something passable.
I agree that the story is not that well developed despite enjoying the Mario movie. I doubt the twitter users even read the reviews, but I'd be happy to see people who did.
First of all, this video is so cathartic to listen to, dealing with fans of the movie has been super exhausting. Secondly as a fan of the RPGs I feel like they absolutely had the stuff they needed to make a good story for a movie with the Mario series, at least one with more engaging characters. The Mario world has so much potential in the medium of film, but (especially unsurprising since it was Illumination at the helm) the film just felt so soulless and like one of the safest things they could’ve done for a Mario Movie. I really hope they don’t have illumination work on other Nintendo series for films because I don’t want them to get this treatment.
@@quangamershyguyyz7166 trust me, the more you know about Splatoon the more you’ll learn that it’s not a good fit. Also I’ve accepted that a DK film is most likely inevitable, but that doesn’t mean I’m happy about it. It’ll most likely be another passable at best film when there’s potential for something way better.
@@scottchaison1001 Have you watched every Illumination film and liked all of them? Or did you just assume that all of Illumination’s films are good because you saw and liked one film of theirs they made? If you have seen all of their films and liked them (or liked at least most of them), that’s fine. If not, it’s rather foolish to make a rash judgment like that on the quality of a film studio’s entire body of work just because they happened to make one film that you like. Also, it’s not entirely true that people unjustly hate Illumination. Most critics and audiences loved the original “Despicable Me”, and even still, critics and audiences alike had a little more than a lukewarm reception to some of their work, like the “Sing” franchise, for instance. Putting the controversy of the Mario movie aside, outside of the other films I mentioned, I think there is a more united consensus between critics and audiences that the rest of Illumination’s work is less-than-stellar.
No, you're right. The Mario movie is quite enjoyable, but it could have been improved on. From my experience, it could've used a lot more of Luigi, as well as Lumalee being a waste-of-space much to our confusion. It's not 5/10, but it's definitely not 9/10 either. I thought it was 7/10, same thought I had for "Super Mario 3D Land," which had a basic plot and painfully lack of voice acting even in the climax.
So... About 3D land, I don't think it needed any voice acting and it was a Mario game so, I don't really know what you expected with the story. Definitely a 7/10 game for me but I don't personally have the same reasons.
Lumalee wasn’t that annoying, honestly. He only spoke like 4 times, all of which seemed to be rather spaced out. I think the biggest issue with him is that his inclusion feels a bit too ambiguous. Why was he captured by Bowser? I can’t tell if it’s foreshadowing for a sequel, or they just didn’t have ideas for him.
I love how the Mario movie is simultaneously the "wokest" and "most anti-woke" movie out currently all depending if the people you don't like, doesn't like the movie or vice-versa.
I have no desire to see the Mario movie. I can understand why it looks appealing to many, but for me it boils down to two things: 1. I only kinda like one Illumination film. I don't think I would give any of the other ones above a 4/10. 2. I have very little emotional connection to the Mario brand, and from what I have seen from most reviews, it appears that is the main draw of the movie, with everything else being on the back burner. I like to watch films for their stories, music, themes characterizations, cinematography etc. To me, this film seems like it will give me competent version of the Emoji movie at best. (as in the primary motivation was to use a popular thing as a vehicle for set pieces that are essentially just ads). If you like it, fine, but please try to understand that other people look for different things in movies. I am not saying I have superior taste or that you are a hackish sheeple baby solely for having a different piece of art. Being unable to consider or even just ignore differing perspective is what would make you hackish sheeple babies.
I liked it. Yeah the story was bone dry but I think they could have definitely added more to the story. But I think they focused solely on the references they put the story on the back burner and it sadly suffered for it. But seeing as they hinted at another movie maybe they might learn from this. To balance both references and the story
@@Raya-ir4tm Sad, but true. It’s like people have learned nothing from Marvel being successful, and Disney acquiring Marvel as a result as a way to profit off of sequels and spinoffs from the MCU while playing it safe instead of making original IPs that would appeal to most audiences. I can’t say that it’s entirely Disney’s fault (don’t get me wrong; they’re not totally off the hook on mostly being creatively bankrupt these days) since people flock to see these films. Disney is basically giving people what they think they want, and the audiences continuing to see these films are exactly why Disney has become this assembly line of superhero flicks and other franchises in the first place. If people don’t wise up, I’m afraid Illumination will do the same thing and milk the Mario franchise the same way Disney has done with Marvel and the “Star Wars” franchise.
As much as I love this movie, I agree that the story needed to be more complex imo it would be nice to have a sequel but I'm kinda scared if the plot turns out to be much worse and basicly will be just a cash grab
Mario was deffo a standout for Illumination since that company was always used to slow paced unfunny movies. But it really needed time to have character moments like the part where Gru was telling a bedtime storry to the girls from Despicable Me
Admittedly, as someone who like the film and think that it at least fulfills the bare minimum of a Mario movie, I barely even trust critics AND audience scores on Rotten Tomatoes since they don't actually describe a film's quality and more of a summary of reviews taken. Also, critics DO like kids' movies and simple stories as justified by The Bad Guys and Captain Underpants being aimed at younger viewers and having very basic plots getting high critics and audience scores. I am just grateful that at least it's not the live-action film from the 90s (though I do like it for all the ironic reasons) or another "Ugly Sonic" situation.
Another banger video, toonshi. At this point, this controversy comes from the immense popularity of the movie from its success. It is obvious at this point that the movie makes plenty enough sense when your familiar with the games, but has shaky and unpolished writing. So people don't want to comment on everything else because the video game aspect of the movie was really good? THEN THE MOVIE IS JUST A VIDEO GAME??? MOVIES AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE GAMES??? THEY HAVE STORY?? I'm out
@@scottchaison1001 Someone pointing out the blind praise the film is getting is exaggerating? Do you know what the word means, or did you post the same copy-and-pasted comment in response to comments that are critical of the film without even reading any of them?
To be honest i didn't know that this went on about the mario movie but it does remind about how in 2017 with breath of the wild that some of the fanbase also did simular things to critics that gave the game a lower score then a ten. So pretty standard reaction.
Here’s my take. The first movie is the biggest example of building a world showing off every possible location, for future entries. I disliked the featured songs that weren’t Nintendo songs. Especially the ones that were replacing the far better songs by Brian Tyler. But it’s also Nintendo they won’t be putting the crap other companies have been putting in their movies. I can see how when most of every movie that come out today is pushing an agenda with its characters and other things. So seeing parents are rating this movie so highly is because this movie is what parents want, a simple known brand that they trust. Parents trust the games for their kids to play being safe to play for kids. So many parents will bandwagon on this because it is basically a Mario game in movie form. Simple as that.
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cartoonish is only doing it for the money lets be real lmao
Hey I was thinking and IM NOT saying princess peach should be the damsel in destress but with the way she was portrayed in the movie would princess daisy still work in future movies?
I still can't believe there is drama over this film. This is probably the most uncontroversial movie I've seen in years.
That is ironically why there's controversy. Most people on the internet love to hate and stir up drama because they feel like they have power over others.
@@talkingfez1265 you can blame gamer gate for that sadly
@@leviticusprime4904 the fact that stupid event had so much influence in gamer culture online is so sad to think about
@@jowysw The fact we're still dealing with it - and that it lead to an ingraining of the mindset rather than any form of introspection - makes a person feel pretty cynical
@@idontwantahandlewhymustidothis gamergate not only ruined internet criticism, it completely atomized it
The way Rotten Tomatoes has been used as exemption of criticism, defense or people misunderstanding the website is fascinating. Twitter especially good lord.
But seriously though, I still don't think RT is or should be a good indicator as to whether something is good or bad. I think people should watch whatever interests them and form their own opinions and thoughts on any piece of art.
The real winners are the people that come to their conclusions of a film’s quality through the merit of the arguments instead of using any scores as a source of the quality of the film.
Isn't Rotten Tomatoes the same website that gave Cuties a high score or something?
@@AnisterStarlight Rotten Tomatoes doesn't give scores, it just shows the % of good/bad reviews of people on that side.
Aside from Captain Marvel where they directly intervened and changed %, locking it.
Not just twitter in general
I don’t get why people defend this movie like it’s somehow being overhated and how nobody but them likes it. The movie is making billions, Nintendo doesn’t need a defense squad.
Same profile picture. Hilarious.
@@TheRealP.S.G hello brother
@@squeaks5677 Hello.
How does it feel that you weren’t in the movie?
Probably not that bad, honestly. Biddybuds were the only 3D Land/World enemy to make an appearance.
@@pepearown4968 those mouse of individuals pfps above were in the sewers of the movie tho.......
I can't believe that in film discourse we went from "Movies made for Kids don't have to be shallow and can tackle very adult and powerful themes" with Puss in Boots to "It's a kids movie, bro" to defend the Mario Movie in less than half a year. I'm glad that a lot of Mario Fans enjoyed the movie. In a Hollywood Landscape where people put in charge of adapting these stories into films seem to actively hate the source material, I'm sure it's nice to see a movie that was clearly made by people passionate about Mario, but I can't help but think it would've been even better if they had actually made a strong story.
In fairness I think they're just articulating themselves poorly, and that there's some value in trying to understand what they mean. I imagine their point is closer to "It doesn't make sense to critique a comedy based off of its story rather than its humour, this is the same thing". If I had to play devil's advocate, I'd say that it's unhelpful for movie reviewers to be critical of a movie for not being something it's not trying to be, as their job is to create an unbiased and informative review so that consumers can decide whether or not they want to watch the film, _not_ to say whether or not they enjoyed the film themselves. I imagine most people considering watching it would not be expecting any sort of profound story, so having the story be the focal point of the review doesn't inform their decision at all.
I don't necessarily agree, and it doesn't excuse aggression towards reviewers, but if I had to guess I'd say that's more or less how they feel rather than "it's a kids movie so it should be dumb" or "it's bad on purpose", keeping in mind they're probably kids or just casual enjoyers of the film.
This falls on nintendo's shoulders they were the ones who green lighted this movie. Its not like they can't make a better story. I would have liked to have seen Mario and DK bound more in the eel's belly and not just have their problems solved. Just like I would have liked to have seen Peach give Mario a 1 up mushroom before Mario fought DK. And finally I would have liked to have seen to mini mushroom work like in the games where mario can jump high and longer distant. And when DK hit Mario when Mario was mini and Mario died and the 1 up would have saved his life.
@@QuokkaWaka I kinda see where you’re coming from, but wouldn’t a review talking about the summary of a movie be informative and provide some insight to some people who may be interested in or have doubts about seeing a film? Sure, there are Mario fans that didn’t mind the movie not having much of a story, but there were people, Mario fans and non-fans alike, that did care about that aspect of the film. Also, a review is simply another word for “evaluation”, with synonyms that include: an opinion. I think it’s rather impossible for critics to not have their opinions or biases bleed into their reviews, whether consciously or unconsciously, and it’s even more silly to suggest that critics shouldn’t express whether they personally like or dislike a movie. It would be the equivalent of expecting a food critic to recommend or not recommend a restaurant to customers, but not to express whether they like or dislike the food or service of the restaurant. Lastly, one can acknowledge that certain films shouldn’t have unrealistic standards or expectations placed on them and also acknowledge that that shouldn’t be an excuse for filmmakers to play it safe or not put effort in to their work. I would be much more willing to be sympathetic and play devil’s advocate to the fans if they didn’t make bad faith arguments like, “It’s a dumb kids movie” (sorry, I can never take that argument seriously, regardless if it’s a child or adult making the argument), especially since most of these people making these arguments are not kids, but adults who should realize that it’s not a convincing argument if you’re trying to get people to understand your viewpoint.
@@BirdsandGhibliFan There's nothing wrong with a movie having a simple story.
@@scottchaison1001 Did you even read my comment? I never said that there was something wrong with a film having a simple story. Even if I did say I disliked the film for having a simple story, nowhere did I say that other people are wrong for being satisfied with a simple story. I simply said that there were people that wanted more out of the film than what they got. Those are two different things. One can still appreciate and be satisfied with the film despite a simple story while still wishing that the film did more expansion.
Fun Fact:
Shigeru Miyamoto thanked all the critics' negative reviews. Saying they helped the Super Mario Bros Movie's growing success. He basically killed them with kindness. Gotta love a legend like him.
this is indeed quite reasonable
criticism is important for the creation and improvement of media
Nintendo seems to take criticism this way almost as a rule. I think that's a good rule for success and innovation, which has been Nintendo's strategy for a while now.
Well, he is good at killing narratives. Just look at the current state of Paper Mario.
@@Austin-kt7ky unless if it’s any of their Sports Games as of late…
@@wakkaseta8351 I guess there’s still people who actually think he hates stories. He does NOT hate stories. He just thinks that the gameplay is more important in Mario and if he hates stories, why does he let Zelda have a story? There’s a whole video debunking that he DOES like stories and he didn’t really ruin Paper Mario
The fact that people were unironically claiming that a rainbow and peach being cool makes this movie gay feminist propaganda is hilarious to me.
To be fair it is refreshing to an female character in cinema such as Princess Peach and not the ones we’ve been cursed to “tolerate” for the past few years such as Mulan live action remake.
@@TheDigitalApple yea
@@TheDigitalApple Peach has been portrayed in media before this like the Super Mario Adventures comics.
ANd on the other side there's a small size of people claiming the Mario film embraces socialism and feminism which is another shitter for the film's clout
@@garibaldibritann1240 ye
While I loved the Mario movie, it's definitely not perfect. I didnt mind the pacing and writing but I can understand why some would.
The Super Mario Bros Movie is perfect
@@PussInBootsTheLastWishFan2003nothing is perfect
This reply section is gonna go into Nuclear War
@@timmy6890 Good thing I brought some munitions
I’ll cut Nintendo and illumination some slack for the pacing since The Super Mario Bros. Movie is the first movie based on a Nintendo franchise to be made in almost 30 years.
We live in an era where people attach themselves so hard to anything they like, that if anyone doesn’t like or enjoy the same thing as them, they treat it as a personal attack.
We also live in an era where people hate something so much that if they see someone else like what they hate it be hell by now.
Maybe they wouldn't take it as a personal attack if the criticisms weren't so stupid xd.
@@scottchaison1001and that affects your personal life how?
@@josiahtheawkward6008 It just helps me to know that the so-called professional critics are more and more of a joke.
@@scottchaison1001 they shouldn’t take it as a personal attack though that’s just sad
Take a drink every time Cartoonshi uses Gangsters Paradise to cover up his swears.
He uses it for woke too which sent me ngl
@@Aisubun But I agree with this hypocritical controversy with the Mario movie because of the toxicity. Say what you will about the Disney direct to video sequels, but at least that there are people who don't bash other people for liking them.
Woke isn't really a bad word. Lol
You trying to Game Over us?
The best I can do is Gatorade
I remember when my college professor didn't like the official trailer to the Super Mario Bros movie and his reasoning was because it seemed like they were throwing in all sorts of Mario references, and it seemed cheap to him (this was before the film came out). These people would've lost their minds if they found out about his take.
When you adapt something, there are things you need to change,keep, and remove. And this movie is a good example on why in adaptations you need to that. Because of the need to throw references all the time, it felt like it nothing was ever properly developed or established. Like why is there a pipe that leads to the real world to the other world? Why didn’t bowser just use the superstar from the beginning?
@@leviticusprime4904 The warp pipe can be easily explained as one of those typical gateways into another dimension you see in other films and shows.
But that's a good point. Why didn't Bowser use the superstar at the beginning? What was stopping him from doing so aside from using it as something to impress Peach?
I'd say this is where the likes of Sonic 2 shines. I'm not trying to compare the Mario Movie to the Sonic movies, but when you look at the Sonic films, you see them reference certain parts of the Sonic canon which are more subtle and not so 'in your face', like Knuckles liking grapes, Eggman's classic outfit, the instruction manual being like a Sega Genesis manual, etc.
@@eslm-studios2996 Bowser probably wanted to save the star if his plan of marrying peach did not work
@@sahaprocks7751 That was probably the case, but it still feels a little poorly handled.
@@eslm-studios2996 well they did kinda explain it, when the koopa asked what if she said no and Bowser burned him, he said that he would power up with the star and destroy the mushroom kingdom
Honestly I’m still not happy that they didn’t credit the dude who made the DK rap, since if they have time to bring in the DK rep then they had time to put his name up there.🐱
That's true
My only counterpoint is that they didn't credit the guy who wrote the Fury Bowser theme, which plays in the celebration scene after the koopas get the star.
They also straight rip that track from the game version, and it's credited the exact same way as the DK rap.
Not really a defense of the actions, more so pointing out that people aren't defending that guitarist who got zero credit either.
@@crystalpokedude4329 that doesn’t make it any better, there should be credit given for both
Sold the rights to the song decades ago because he was ashamed of it. No one's legally obligated to credit him.
They didn’t credit the person who composed Fury Bowser’s theme and nobody is taking about that
This is, coincidentally enough, the unfortunate reputation Nintendo fans (stans) have. I saw this coming from a mile away before the movie even released
Tbf both Nintendo haters and fanboys are extreme
Yep, it was pretty obvious to me that something like this would happen when the shitstorm around Chris Pratt started, not counting the twitter assholes hating him for the fake drama and lies they were spreading before his role announcement. It makes me dread the time when another Nintendo IP gets a movie because I know it'll be worse.
@@Amexy-mr6lw we’ve seen the examples of the later, but what are some examples of the former?
@@leviticusprime4904 Remember before the Switch launch? There were literally an audience on UA-cam dedicated to constantly say the console was "doomed" and basically wishing that it was just because.
Where I'm from, Nintendo fans hate Nintendo.
Ngl, it's funny when people say, "It really sticks it to Hollywood" and its a movie that was made by a big Hollywood Studio
Yep, with big-name, Hollywood actors to boot instead of lesser-known actors that are more experienced in voice acting. That’s about as Hollywood as you can get. Most of the movie screams “made in Hollywood” (the very idea of a studio making a film based on an established property is a current Hollywood trend in and of itself) with the exception of some intervention from Nintendo and Miyamoto to the writing and storyline.
@@BirdsandGhibliFan the cast is made of great actors. Veteran voice actors, Chris Pratt voiced 2 Lego movies. Jack Black voiced 3 Kung Fu Panda movies, and Shark Tale. Keegan Michael Key has voiced in Toy Story 4, The Lion King, Wendell and Wild, The Lego movies, Hotel Transylvania movies, The Angry Birds movies, Storks, Chip n Dale, Pinocchio, Migration, The Star. He's a super prolific voice actor. Charlie Day has voiced in Monsters University, and Both Lego movies. Anya Taylor Joy has voiced in The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance. Seth Rogen has voiced in The Lion King, Sausage Party, Shrek 3, The Spiderwick Chronicles, Monsters Vs Aliens, the Kung Fu Panda movies, Horton Hears A Who, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
@@joeybaseball7352I stand corrected (although as a side note, if I’m supposed to take you at your word, Anya-Taylor Joy has only voiced in one other film or series, so I wouldn’t say she’s a veteran in voice acting). I meant to include Jack Black, Seth Rogen, and Kevin Michael Richardson as being the only three with the most voice acting experience in my original comment, but I must’ve forgot. With that said, though, even with all of these actors having experience in voice acting animated films, I still don’t think any of the voice performances in this film are that groundbreaking or stand out in any way, even with the actors I do like, like Jack Black. In my opinion, Seth Rogen is way overused as a voice actor, and that trademark laugh he does is not only grating but also totally out of place for the role he’s playing as Donkey Kong. Plus, it’s super annoying to see conservatives and cultural warriors weirdly using these big-name actors (i.e. Chris Pratt) of this film or this film in general as some big statement against Hollywood when most of these actors are probably not even remotely right-wing in politics whatsoever. But, that’s a topic for another day.
Nevertheless, for the record, I think Jack Black, Seth Rogen and Kevin Michael Richardson are the only actors in this cast with the most voice acting experience because they have the most prolific track record in voice work out of any other actor in this cast. The rest have only voice acted in a couple, several, or few films and/or mostly played in a non-leading/minor character role. Regardless, if this film was just another animated film made by Illumination with no Mario elements in it, I think a lot more people would be calling out Illumination for using big-name actors as a cheap way to prop the film. I personally don’t mind big-name actors being voice actors in animated films as much as other people just as long as they perform well. I am merely addressing the people pretending that Illumination or even more laughably, the actors are somehow some anti-establishment force in Hollywood or something, and pointing out that if the folks who hate Hollywood were consistent in their beliefs, they would champion lesser-known actors or more experienced voice actors that are not as famous as Hollywood A or B-listers. I have this feeling that a lot of people would hypocritically not give this same merciful treatment to any other typical film that has an all-star cast.
@@joeybaseball7352yeah so they were good in other movies not this one, there isn't one actor in history that did good movies that also didn't do bad movies, it's part of the job, they can't all be winners, and none of those people should have been cast as voice actors for a Mario movie
I think one of the funniest things about this situation is that the Mario movie is currently at 59% on Rotten Tomatoes. A movie must have more than a 60% score to be considered fresh. It is literally 1 point off from being considered a "good" movie, and yet people are acting like every critic despises this movie.
That is like getting a C- on a test but after the test your classmates are like “Ooooh, you got an F!!!”
It’s also funny considering that the Disney films that Cartoonshi brings up in this video have lower scores on RT than the Mario movie does.
Hmm
A movie that’s really evil enough
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A movie that’s really not evil enough
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A movie that’s really not evil enough
The absolute switch-up that everyone made on this movie is insane to me everyone kept shitting on chris and memeing about how the movie was gonna be trash and now that it’s out, everyone is blindly defending the movie and saying that it’s the best thing ever made. And the craziest part is… NO ONE HAS APOLOGIZED TO CHRIS YET!!!
Incorrect. We blindly judged the movie and said "Chris Pratt as Mario that's crazy". When people gave it chance they liked it.
Ikr
Modern conservatism in a nutshell
@@icecreamhero2375 ong, bros acting like we led a march towards his house with pitchforks and torches
@@paradoxinteractiveprisoner4244 bruh really trying to bring politics into this.
And besides it's usually the terminaly online twitter leftists who hate Chris Pratt because he's christian.
Ironic that these people are saying "Kids movie" while acting like kids.
The same kids that are saying it's trash because it's for kids are the same ones that are making videos using fan made clips about how fnaf isn't for kids. At least that's my theory.
@@Avaitor_YT When you say kids that are saying the film is trash, you mean those that are defending this movie or criticizing the movie?
@@Avaitor_YTNAF is for teenagers. I don’t expect the movie to be rated R, as Scott doesn’t like explicit or visual gore.
He only puts gruesome violent scenes in the books.
@@juliabp6057 I mean, the real question is what age group is joining fnaf consistently and when are they playing fnaf for the first time. Who it's for and who it's marketed towards are technically different things. When did YOU first play it is probably a good question to start of with.
@@BirdsandGhibliFan Both. Both equally. I said that side as that was the one I was introduced to first. So that was the one I was used to talking about.
I swear to God if Illimination gets the greenlight to make a Zelda movie, nothing will be able to stop my rage. Illumination can't handle adapting something with depth.
Think it really depends on how much Nintendo and Aonuma have in it
If Nintendo wants to make a Zelda movie, dream works should do it.
They should've done this movie since they seem to do well with the fairy tale adaptations they've done.
Plus puss in boots was Good
I am ok with the Mario Movie having been Made by illumination but For Zelda Dreamworks would be better
I'm curious if that was the case if they'd give it to their Moonlight label that's headed by Mike Moon instead (A label designed for Adult Animation)
Illumination will ruin the masterpiece that is Zelda. And if they do make a movie, and its terrible, you can't use the excuse that it's "a kids movie" cause Majoras Mask is the most terrifying game concept ever and that's a Zelda game.
I think it's funny that people are saying that the Mario Movie lacking much character development/story isn't a problem because "the Mario games don't do that either", because the same people that use that defense are also the kinds of people who want MORE story in Mario games (such as the stuff from Galaxy/Sunshine or the RPGs) and say that the lack of story/characterization in the modern games compared to the Gamecube/Early Wii eras is actively harming the series, lmao.
Of course. You are in the movie and character development will always need to be in
Paper mario 64/ttyd is proof that mario is capable of great story telling i wish “fans” would know this
@@staringcorgi6475 we do know that but non mario fans/ sonic fans etc still mock mario when he has story games 👻
Because Mario fans do not have logical consistency. They can move the goal post, or more appropriately flag pole as much as they want.
The game doesnt really need the character development because the focus of the game is more towards playing it rather than the story
It’s so weird seeing people get so upset when an online stranger doesn’t have the same opinion with them. It’s like they get embarrassed for liking the product and take it out on those people. Honestly, that’ll make them look more embarrassing than getting caught watching children media.
I honestly have this problem, I can seriously ask someone why they like something to better understand their opinion. I often ask about the flaws and people get offended. Despite me being serious and .ifht be interested in what they see in case I missed something.
Maybe they wouldn't be upset if a lot of those reviews weren't so stupid, there's nothing embarrassing about that.
@@scottchaison1001 have you read them?
@@scottchaison1001 Granted, some critics had some stupid takes on the film, but there have been other instances of people using the “dumb kids movie” excuse towards people who had legitimate gripes about the movie, like the story structure, pacing, song choices, or characterization.
@@scottchaison1001 ok fanboy
People getting angry about the Mario Bros. Movie's critics is no surprise to me cause it's EXACTLY how Nintendo fans operate when you say something similar about anything they like. For example, when Smash was still doing DLC and a character got announced and you didn't care for them, you could literally just say "I don't care about this character, I would of rather them add this." They would literally react the exact same way. There's tons of other examples of this, but I think I've made my point.
This goes for fanboys of any kind, I don't get why some people single out Nintendo fanboys. All fanboys are like this.
@@tessaPMpro Oh no definitely, I only singled them on in particular due to the subject matter being the Mario Movie .
@Smash Bro Nikko oh yeah that makes sense then, I don't know why I didn't consider that. I really didn't think it through before I commented that, so just ignore what I said lol.
FE fans when someone says that they don't care for the FE character in question being announced:
(It was a joke, but it's crazy how you can't say that you simply don't care about someone like Byleth or Phyra (Idk how to spell her name)/Mythra without them spamming the "Hoes Mad" meme over and over again and constantly telling you that you should be grateful for what Sakurai gives us, like, f*ck off with that, I was just stating my opinion without being aggressive about it)
The Mario Movie ain't perfect, but it's been pretty successful for a reason. But jeez, there are legitimate criticisms to be had of the film, it's crazy to see so many people lose it over any form of criticism.
As for Peach? She's been competent in the games plenty of times, so it's nothing new. I just wish her personality and mannerisms overall felt more like her game counterpart, which I don't see anything wrong with.
The Super Mario Adventures comics is another good example of Peach being badass.
@@Dragonfire-ir5ln I somehow didn't notice my redundancy. Whoops. Fixed it.
@@railroader2431 ok
Feminists don’t believe that feminine women can be heroic 😂
people not knowing the difference between criticism and hate/complaining is tiring
They both the same. Stop lying.
The release of Spider-Verse put all of these defenses to the ground.
It proved that a "fan-service" movie with hundreds of references per-second can also be a thrilling and emotional narrative.
Unfortunetly, some references alone are enough to give a movie box-office relevance so this Mario movie will always be at the top while movies like Kung Fu Panda, Toy Story and many others aside from Spider-Verse will be "below" it because they don't have the crowd-pleasing experience this movie offers
Exactly! I’m not the biggest Marvel or Spider-Man fan, but the Spider-Verse franchise is a perfect example of a film based off an IP that resonates well with both the target audience and non-fans alike, as well as standing out on its own as a film with the stunning animation and engaging story. I wish this was a concept that the Mario movie fans would understand.
Not every movie needs to be an emotional narrative Spider-Verse is different than the Mario movie
@@WakerOfTheSky Who said that the Mario movie needs to be an emotional narrative? Nobody except folks like yourself making a strawman of what other people said.
@@BirdsandGhibliFan motherfuckers like the OP who compare this movie to Across the Spider-Verse and Puss in boots the last wish
@@WakerOfTheSkyComparing is not the same as saying that the Mario movie should be exactly like those films. Please know the difference. The OP is simply pointing out that the Mario movie had the potential to have fan-service and references kept in while having a better written story and improved characterization, not that the movie should have the exact same quality as those films.
As a lifelong fan, I wanted a movie made by somebody who understands Super Mario from a core conceptual standpoint, and is able to write some sort of gripping narrative around it. What we instead got was Cocomelon for brainless Nintendo soys.
“Cocomelon for brainless Nintendo soys.” That made me smirk the first time I read it. 😏🤣
You are fake fan who never cares for mario.. only yourself..
@erickjrmaldonadoherrera4531 ...and you gotta get off Mario's dick and realise this movie is mid. It had so much potential, yet using the word "cocomelon for adults" isn't far off. The Pokemon and especially the Sonic movies did more. Thank God Barbie beat Mario in earnings
Thank you for this, because it's been a massive prevailing problem and I feel like I can't even say "I thought it was enjoyable but it certainly wasn't fantastic or anything" without someone jumping down my throat for "not understanding what a reference is" or whatever
Nice pfp
@@limeyell0w945 thanks :)
@@Aisubun yw^^
Same just cuz it got references doesn't make it automatically good. Is really hard nowadays to express your opinion without ppl attacking you cuz you didn't like a popular movie.
@@Aisubun “I thought it was enjoyable but it certainly wasn’t fantastic or anything” it literally the best review for this movie
Whenever people say "it's just a kids movie" I just respond with "why do you like it if you're not a kid?"
Because it's a good movie
@@locomotivetrainstation6053 You missed the point of what he’s saying. He’s explaining how the “it’s a kids movie” defense doesn’t make a lot of sense (especially when it’s adults trying to defend the movie) and the people who make this argument sound as if they’re saying, “the movie is supposed to be bad or mediocre because it’s a kids movie” (which sounds like they’re admitting that the film is not good instead of praising it). If you’re trying to make a case that a film is good, making that argument is not the way to do it.
I would respond "So you're saying this movie isn't meant for all ages, such as adults like you and I? "
@@locomotivetrainstation6053 its awful
Nintendo fans make sonic fans look calm
Truth
It depends I remember how some sonic fanse went insane around them time of the videogames awards from last year.
The bigger the fanbase, the more likely you'd run into people like this
Both are insane
@@bashooi ahh the great genshin impact vs sonic frontiers war what a Wierd bizzare war to happen
Toad: "I'm Mario's BEST FRIEND..."
*and their relantionship never develops further than that*
And?
There's no development in Maro games
@@locomotivetrainstation6053 So? He’s not talking about the games. He’s talking about the movie, a medium designed to tell a story and develop character arcs.
@@BirdsandGhibliFan it's a simple movie, deal with it. Not everything has to be a deep crazy plot
@@locomotivetrainstation6053 I never said that the movie had to have a deep plot. But, to some people, the movie needs to be a little more than just a beat-by-beat imitation of the games with references. It’s possible to have all of the references and fan service kept in the film while having a better written story and characterization woven into the mix. That’s the point that most people critical of the film are making.
17:14 "It crossing $1 billion at the box office"
This is why Im SO glad that the Barbie movie exists. Cause it did so in a shorter space of time, had now earnt more than the Mario movie and had more fierce competition to do so. The Barbie movie essentially describes the Mario movie for it: a cash grab. A safe cash grab, but a cash grab nonetheless. Hell. The Barbie movies plot and message it tells is at least more developed and more visible than the Mario Movie's
When I see a post about how the Barbie movie made more money than the Mario movie I always ALWAYS see people going “tHe MaRiO mOvIe DeSeRvEd To Be At ThE tOp!” Or something along those lines. Kinda unrelated but I genuinely feel like the only reason people were praising the Mario movie like it’s the second coming of Christ was because it was the MARIO movie. If it was the exact same movie just with original characters nobody and I mean NOBODY would care about it.
@@Rusty-2010 Indeed. I’d love to challenge the same people that are now praising Illumination all of a sudden for the Mario movie to go and see Illumination’s next film, “Migration”. I doubt there would be many that would want to see it. 🤣
@@Rusty-2010 thank you. Without the hero, and the whole theme, of the movie being Mario, it would've been written off as some mid tier movie.
I'm also happy that inside out 2 beat the Mario movie
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Cartoonshi, thx so much for covering this
I hate to see people being so terminally online
Here's a thought for the animation community. Maybe... criticism can... Help create better movies...? It's not as though the bad reviews are going to prevent the Mario Movie from getting a sequel. It's the Mario Movie, they're going to milk that shit till the cows come home. But because enough attention is given to the legitimate criticism of the movie, the creators might have to reevaluate and fix on the next try to give us something even better. I don't think this should be treated as such a negative if the end result from this is more than likely to turn into something positive at the end of the day.
...Or y'know, it's Illumination, so they'll just play it safe again. Yeah, that seems more likely.
Why just animation? Why no movies in general
@@locomotivetrainstation6053 I think it’s because people are more willing to excuse bad quality in animated films more than live-action movies because “it’s meant for kids”, but you’re right. Constructive criticism should be welcomed regardless if it’s toward an animated or live-action film. I think if more people treated animated films like films, as they should be, there wouldn’t be as many people targeting people who enjoy animated films or writing off animated films as a medium.
@@BirdsandGhibliFan Sometimes people will acknowledge that a film was trying to be something significant for the public, rather than a critical achievement of a film. When that happens people likely won't make too big of a fuss about the film being average or less. This applies to all kinds of movies (not just stuff for the kids). I don't think that excuse means these movies should get a pass to being considered good. It just means that it's kinda unnecessary for people to criticise it like a failed masterpiece.
I'm not trying to insult animation here. I do believe it is medium that work for anyone.
That being said I think what your saying isn't what @DimeUhDozen meant. People were mostly bothered by the criticism for the Mario Movie because they love Mario and don't like hearing negative feedback towards the movie.
I still like how Peach is both a "woke girlboss" and "problematic passive damsel" at the same time.
Was she passive in the movie?
peach just can't catch a break.
me when I see a woman in a movie 🤬🤬
What the
There is no such thing as a girl boss. Its just a female fantasy. And a gross one by that.
Rotten Tomatoes should only be brought up as a reference guide for audiences and critics consensus. Not to reflect on a film’s overall quality.
Great video!
My problem with this film isn't that its a Mario movie. Its that its made by Illumination, aka the "We make money, therefore we should never innovate" company. Giving them access to other people's IPs is not a good thing. Its like giving an alcoholic caffeine, they will just indulge in their problem more because they won't feel it as much. I have to stand by the critics with this one, out of principle alone. Illumination is filled with FANTASTIC animators, its just their directors and executives are swimming in Scrooge McDuck money piles, and can't be bothered to actually make something new.
B-but you don’t understand! If Disney made this film, they would’ve made it “woke” and everything! This is an actual argument that I’ve heard people make about why Illumination is the “better” studio to handle the Mario franchise, despite the fact that some of Illumination’s past work make some modern Disney films almost seem like classic Disney by comparison.
Honestly, aside from Francis (easily the worst part of the movie; thank God he was only important in the first act), this movie doesn’t feel too terribly Illumination-esque. A lot of this movie was made with Nintendo breathing down their necks the whole time, so it definitely is better than all of their other movies.
I’m not sure how involved Illumination were with writing the script. They likely funded and animated the film, but, beyond that, I don’t know.
This film was way better than what I’ve heard about other Illumination films. It didn’t have any “bad humor” in it, and it certainly didn’t feel as bland.
@@BirdsandGhibliFan How are people so obsessed with a director's, you know, direction for a film? Do they not understand movies reflect a creator's view of the world? I hate the people that constantly say that hollywood is "going woke", because they are inherently being disrespectful of a creator's vision for a work, and disrespecting the creative process behind most art.
@@pepearown4968 I mean the writer for this movie(Matthew Fogel) wrote Minions: Rise of Gru, so I do think Illumination did have some baring on the script, but I do think Nintendo was way more involved or at least supervising it.
@@Ijustusethistocommentstuff Yeah, I can’t stand those people, either. Just because a movie has political messages that I don’t necessarily agree with doesn’t mean that I won’t possibly find any value or enjoyment from that film. I think as long as it makes sense in terms of the story and that the messages are not told in a heavy-handed, preachy way, I personally don’t mind it. For example, I am no left-winger (I actually identify as a libertarian who feels politically homeless in both major political parties of America), but I enjoy a lot of Hayao Miyazaki’s work despite Miyazaki being outspoken about his left-wing politics in his films and in private life. Also, there are some messages in his films that I see eye-to-eye with him on, like his bold anti-war stance in some of his films, skepticism of technology and government/powerful people or institutions, especially the military, criticism of black-and-white thinking or us vs. them mentality, and living in harmony with nature. That’s not to say there isn’t any propaganda in films, narrative or documentary (because there is; looking at you, Netflix), but I think if people had more of an open mind, people would realize that although we might disagree on certain issues, we may have a lot in common and actually share similar views.
7:55 I left a comment saying "they saved an hour of time" under a meme of the entire movie remade in 1 minute with stock footage, and I kid you not some person has been arguing in the replies calling everyone stupid for criticizing or even joking about the movie for a week straight. At the time of writing this, he has since written over 50 comments fighting people under that video and is still going as we speak.
17:31 This! ...A month before the movie dropped, weirdos complained that it was w0kE because Peach is a "strong independent woman", Bowser is a "beta simp", and Mario is a "useless". Now the movie is out and they swear it's not woke anymore and owns the "liberal Disney". I miss the days when people had a personality and didn't turn everything into a "political agenda" culture war.
I remember when the Rotten Tomatoes critic score dropped I saw someone on Twitter legit say something along the lines of "I don't care if it's terrible, it's gonna be a 10/10 regardless." Like...huh?
Bro its Mario!! MARIO!! Mama mia! My childhood!!! am i right?
Chris Pratt 100% deserves an apology from the internet. He did a fantastic job as Mario!
Christ is Toon trying to assassinate my ears with that Gangsters Paradise sfx?
I blame Illumination for that card.
They did it with the Lorax. XD
Honestly, the editors of the trailer are the ones who owe him an apology. Picked his worst take.
Agreed!👍
He was definitely trying a lot more than I thought he would but I still find it to be a case of miscasting. So I apologize for assuming it would be insufferable but I don't for thinking it was a strange casting decision.
@@Aisubun agreed
From my experience on Twitter, Mario Movie discussions are an endless cycle of hell
Most of them start with someone critiquing the movie, then turns into both fans and haters going batshit insane instead of being civil, with both sides forcing their beliefs and trying to prove why they are right
I also hate how both sides treat critics, with the haters treating them like all-knowing god-like beings whose opinions should match ours, and fans treating them like criminals
Both sides need to understand that critics, much like fans, are just humans. They are random people who watch movies for a living. Their bias is much more influenced by objectivity in many cases, but they're still normal ass biased humans
As one of the biggest fans of this movie, I agree with many of the criticisms. I'll know bullshit when I see it, but I'll also know genuine criticism when I see it
Also I'm glad you mentioned the "animation is cinema" thing, because while I agree and am one of the biggest supporters of that statement, many other supporters will say that, then proceed to say the one thing they hate the most (animation is """for kids""") when their favorite animated media is critized. Like... do y'all not see your own hypocrisy here??? Yes, Mario is for kids. Not EXPLICITLY for kids, but especially with the movie being made by Illumination, it is undoubtedly gonna be marketed for kids. That doesn't mean it should not he criticized. Animation is an art form. Cinema and writing is an art form. Art should be criticized. Just because art is mostly subjective or a product of expression does not make it free from criticism. Animation is no exception. In a way, it is a form of art on top of another form of art (cinema/writing). It NEEDS to be criticized. The industry treating it is a toddler's bedtime story has already been detrimental in letting it evolve into a greater form of storytelling, criticism should be accepted so creators can learn how to improve and take it further to show just how far animation can go as a form of art and storytelling. I hate this mentality that criticism = hate. I could go on about the Mario Movie's pacing, Owl House's squandered potential with its worldbuilding, etc. That doesn't mean I hate them. I LOVE them and want the crew behind these projects to use what made them so good while improving the bad parts, so their ideas can be taken further and make something truly special.
Sorry for making this so long but I have so much to say about film and animation communities, especially after all the discussions about the Mario Movie from this past month. Hope you enjoyed my TED talk, uh go play Bug Fables or something idk
I only understood that the critics are wrong xd. The pacing was fine.
@@scottchaison1001 Maybe to you, the pacing was fine, but your opinion is not fact. Also, the OP said that he doesn’t hate the Mario film, but just sees the film as wasted potential that could’ve been done better. Your response is pretty disproportionate considering how this person’s feelings on the film is rather tame and harmless compared to some other people’s more inflammatory takes.
Gave your comment a like just for the mention of Bug Fables at the end!
critics who watched and reviewed cuties are not human I'm out 🚴🏿♂️
@@niteriemcfarlane5285 Do you seriously think that every critic that gave the Mario movie a low rating liked “Cuties”, let alone watched and reviewed that film at all? How do you know if some of those critics liked Mario movie and “Cuties”? Instead of bringing up valid points as to why the critics may be wrong in their assessment, you resort to poisoning the well. Pathetic.
The movie wasn't great
The first movie I compared it too was the Sonic movie when it came out.
Needless to say, there's a reason the movie is fast paced action and nothing else. If it was any slower, it would be BORING. The Sonic movie (despite being about a super fast hedgehog, so if it were fast paced I'd try and see past it as "gotta go fast") was actually well paced, had good action and actually had a GOOD story and message behind it, that DIDN'T just get pushed to the side on the first 25 minutes of the movie.
That was the first Sonic movie. Anyone who says that the Mario movie was even comparable to the second Sonic movie needs a reality check
Your comment is gonna make a lot of Mario fan's mad
I don’t think people realize that the critic reviews and audience reviews are meant to show people what movies are worth watching, not to offend the people that like the movie… 😅
this might be off topic but I always hated the excuse: *"Just turn your brain off to enjoy the film"*. So then what's the point.
No one expects Arcane-level writing from Illumination or etc., but that doesn't validate an underwhelming presentation (not talking about the Mario Movie, just bad films in general). There's always a different mode of expectations based on what the film claims it will deliver, along with general expectations, and "just turn off your brain and have fun" isn't one of them imo. As a Mario Fan since 2004, this film ascended me, but as a private movie-goer critic... I see how correct I was to delete my twitter. To overgeneralize, the overhype/backlash comes mostly from bored high schoolers.
I thought I was the only one that thought this phrase was a little stupid. I’m glad to be proven wrong in this regard. I’m autistic and have ADHD (I also suffer from intermittent insomnia possibly as a result of these conditions), so with an overactive brain like mine, it’s hard for me to turn my brain off even when I’m not watching a movie. In my opinion, the only way I can turn my brain off to watch a movie is if I’m heavily sedated, under the influence of alcohol, or if the film is boring me to tears so much that I’m falling asleep.
They forget that by turning off your brain, you essentially just ignore every flaw the movie may or may not have, regardless of it's general quality.
I'm a Mario fan and it is absolutely stupid to pretend ANY movie or game is perfect or immune to criticism. You like it and don't have a problem with it? Good for you. I thought it was awful. The casting alone showed how little they cared, using celebrities instead of the usual VAs or at least actual VAs.
You can shove as many visual references into a movie as possible, and yeah I'll say "that's neat"or "I get that," but that alone does not make a good movie. Mario doesnt need a complex plot, but it has and CAN have them. The plot honestly is fine on paper, but the dialogue, music choices, casting, all of it just sinks it for me.
Same here
Ye, this pretty much sums it up
I agree with your point on the casting. I think the only actors in the cast who have at least some experience in voice acting beyond just one or two animated films are Seth Rogen, Jack Black and Kevin Michael Richardson, but even then, I felt like their performances (as Donkey Kong, Bowser, and Kamek, respectively) were disappointing and underwhelming as well, in my honest opinion.
Agreed the plot sounds good on paper but terrible when put to film and the celebritie casting yeah that didn't work for scoob when they had a celebrity voicing captain caveman with a normal voice
It's almost funny how the toxic-positivity crowd can't seem wrap their head around personal tastes - whether it be genre, story beats, etc etc.
Yeah. Same for the debbie downers. It's neither the best nor the worst movie.
I find that people like you who make comments like that tend to be the people who can’t handle opposing views.
While i did enjoyed the film, the movie did lack a storyline and characterization. What many fans of franchise forget to understand that writing is the core of any medium. It can make or break a story. Stories, while can be entertaining, provides a lesson, a message. In the beginning it looked like it was going in that direction but then it got abandoned by focusing too much on references of the game. Sometimes we need to take off our nostalgia lens to properly analyze and critique things. That's how we learn from our mistakes and grow from it. There’s a reason why many of our favorite shows and movies we grew up as kids and those before our time were so memorable is because the creator or writers put effort and care into it and wanted to provide us lessons about life.
Here's the thing: I *am* a Mario fan. Galaxy is my favorite game of all time. Odyssey's probably in my top 10. I liked Lost Levels, I consider NSMBU the best 2D game, I love the RPGs, the sports titles are some of the only sports games I've ever played, I like Party, I like Kart, and in 2014 I did the most autistic thing ever and wrote a chronological timeline theory for the series. If the movie is full of fanservice, then why did I, as a fan, not feel like he was being serviced? It's almost like a movie needs to be more than eye candy. It needs to tell a fucking story. But the problem isn't that the plot was paper-thin. Everyone says that, but that's not the real issue. The issue is that even the paper-thin plot they were trying to tell wasn't told very well. It sucked at what it was trying to be.
Thank you for perfectly explaining the main issue lots of people have with this film. I don’t mind the Mario movie having a simple story, despite what some Mario fanatics might think, but the execution of that story is the issue. I also think some people use the simple story as an excuse for the writers to not try to expound upon their story, since the “kids movie” excuse has been rightfully mocked to oblivion, or as a distraction/red herring so as to not address the real issue(s) people have with the film. So, they look for the next easy excuse to write off obvious flaws in the film, like the pacing or confusing character dynamics. So, while I don’t think the Mario movie needs to have Oscar-bait material in order to be good, I believe that the movie had the potential to stand out even with a simple story, given how there’s lots of rich stories in the RPGs plus the many examples of films attempting to leave a memorable impression on the audience even with a simple story or concept.
Bro just wait until the FNAF movie, that’s when WW3 will start.
WW3 is the threequel nobody asked for
@Blended Circuit honestly I feel like the references in the movie will be more suddle, where in the Mario movie it felt like they were shoving it in my face.
@@trufoosxd Don't say stupid things, the references we're well done in the movie.
@@scottchaison1001 listen dude I know your hobby is to annoy people, but that won't make your father come back, because that is my opinion on how I think of the references in both movies
I wish that there were more original Mario songs instead of pop songs. The Luma with the trumpet at the end was genuinely touching, wish we could’ve had more stuff like that
as a horror fan. it's kind of funny seeing how the movie's defenders can't calm down over an ok score to an ok movie while horror fans sat in silence as horror movies got much worse scores for years
It kinda hurt me since I went in expecting a damn good story using the Mario cast. Most of the games have a pretty bare bones plot so I thought in the movie the writers were going to pull out a creative story with the wackiness that is the Mario universe. Now to sound condescending but the part I was looking forward to just wasn’t there. It also didn’t help that I had dropped out of the hardcore fan faze a year prior.
I remember I used to have the same mentality when it comes to Rotten Tomato critics, but then I started to read into them for some films and began to realize how most of their reviews are level-headed and neutral. Although they do get it wrong sometimes, it's not close to the amount of times that I initially thought before. Good vid, Cartoonshi 🙏
I'm 17 and love a lot of "kids" content (mainly cartoons) because it can be quiet enjoyable and also have complexity and depth. So I had some expectations for the Mario movie and it failed me, it has very little of that. It doesen't make it illegal to enjoy it, it's good for kids and for people playing and liking the Mario franchise. Different people have *objectively* different taste, the discussion isn't "subjective" but also can't be about wether it's *universally* good or bad, it has objective upsides and downsides and it's up to you to decide how much each of them matters (I personally have a hard time appreciating the upsides here if you are not a Mario gamer though...).
Wait, hold the phone!
I thought the general consensus was that the story was pretty barebones and the pacing was too fast for its own good.
Yea, but that really is my only problem with the movie. And I don't think it really needed a deep story. But the pacing could have definitely been slower.
Thank you for talking about this issue. It's sometimes hard to read about movies when the discussion is either blindly hateful or blindly loving and no inbetween. For example, I liked the Puss and Boots movie but the love for it puts down other Studio movies and puts Dreamworks on a high pedestal.
I also share the same absolute dislike to all the blaming of a movie's success or failure to "wokeness" or "anti-wokeness". Most recent example of a failure was Disney's Strange World, and oh did people blame its story flaws on the fact it had been spent on "woke agenda". People genuinely believing that make me fall down several mental stairs of exhaustion and I hate the fact I ever watched Yellowflash and the Quartering during the Vic fiasco, when it is so clear they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about nowadays.
According to my informant, strange world was woke, it's entire point was merely to push an agenda, that being normalizing gayness and an extremely poorly designed and preachy environmental message. Really is just like ferngully, but somehow less deep (ferngully is as shallow as a kiddy pool) and more preachy with an added gayness.
Raya and strange world share the same reason for failing: they were both undercooked and unappealing stories that received little to no marketing.
@@mrlaz9011 that, unappealing stories, is a side effect of being woke, they (at least strange world) existed merely to push an agenda, so nothing was made due to inspiration to tell a compelling story (most modern disney movies suffer from this), so everything was shallow. Raya just was trying to do (like Encanto) too much and was more fitting to be a tv show (Raya and Encanto would have been better if they were TV shows). It was not even the case that they were undercooked, I think the director (of Raya) was probably just not very competent (Encanto's director did fine). Yeah the world and concepts were underdeveloped, but I think for different reasons, one was lack of inspiration (the only reason strange world exists was for the director to push an agenda, not tell a story). The other (Raya) was a mix of what you said and just an incompetent director.
@@tombolt13thexehanort29 ....i was with you..... on the first 3 WORDS of you comment and then stop taking you seriously when you said "side effect of being woke" XDDDDD
@@tombolt13thexehanort29 How do you know the movie was made to push an agenda?
Imagine getting upset that even though a majority of movie critics liked an animated video game adaptation, the majority wasn't large enough to meet some website's arbitrary standard.
I really don’t understand the "argument" that "but the game had a bare-bones plot too." It’s like saying a game had badly written characters, so its adoption can’t have good characters.
I feel like I'm one of the few people who understood the references in the movie, and have been a Mario fan for basically my entire life, but still didn't care for the movie. And it's frusterating that I can't actually voice that in any meaningful way without people assuming I just didn't like it because it wasn't made by Pixar or whatever
Honestly, I’m on the same boat too.
Yeah, I agree. I think the fans misconstrue when people compare this movie to other animated films (which are fair points to be made against the film) and act as if those people are putting the film on an unrealistically high standard to have the same quality as those films, which are not the same thing. In fact, it seems like the people acting as if this movie should be on the same wavelength as an Oscar-winning Scorsese-like masterpiece (or wanting the film to be one in a wishful thinking kind of way) are the fans themselves, and are projecting by saying to others, “Oh, you’re expecting this to be like Pixar or like an Oscar-winning film!”, especially when no one has even mentioned that it should be like those types of films except the fans themselves.
It's the case where a dish look good but doesn't taste good.
Pixar makes bad movies nowadays. Look at Lightyear and Turning Red
@@traviscunningham7062 I would put Toy Story 4 as the example instead of Turning Red. God I don't want to know what they are going to pull for the 5th one.
Mario fanboys being dictators, as usual.
Mario fans being right, as usual*
@@scottchaison1001 Mario fans believing that their opinions are law and that their mediocre content is untouchable, as usual. Guck off!
@@scottchaison1001 you are literally an insecure fanboy like what he perfectly described
@@scottchaison1001how does Mario’s Italian meatball taste in your mouth
History is repeating itself with the FNAF movie.
I'm all for criticism for valid reasons but for people who cry about the Mario movie having Mario game references should know thats it takes place in the Mario world
Lord forbid a movie be faithful to the source material.
@@icecreamhero2375 the inverse happened with the crappy live action one
Every movie or serie based on a videogame is full of references to it. And they all, except the two animated Mario movies, had a story on top of that.
@@staringcorgi6475 "the inverse happened with the crappy live action one"
Let me guess... You never watched it. Right?
@@arturferrao7353 it had little to do with mario other than a names and weird character designs that hardly resembled the characters every marip fan back than and now agreed that it was a load of rubbish everybody back than associated mario with fun platforming and vibrant graphics that wasn’t it
Just to nitpick about that person praising illumination for "caring about the money" as if it's a good thing, they are stupid. Your praising an animation studio who have the most lackluster and mediocre filmography in the whole world compared to other animation studios. Hell, them caring more about money is WHY their films are mid because they don't bother to try since they already know their generic products will give them lots of money. That is not a good mindset. 💀
Ditto. My favorite animation studio is Studio Ghibli, and I have a book about the studio and its filmography. There is a page that summarizes the studio’s history, and one paragraph starts by saying, “Ghibli’s goal was to make high-quality movies, and maintaining and developing the company was secondary.” I can feel that ethos and philosophy a lot when watching their films. With Illumination, not so much. Also, I feel like if Illumination can easily make boatloads of money at the box office, they should at least invest some of that money into their future projects. Also, their budgets for their films aren’t as bloated compared to their competitors, like Pixar and Disney, so really, what’s their excuse to be cheap and complacent?
I have to say, it's the okayiest movie, could be liked by everyone and nothing really terrible, the story is pretty fast and straight forward, little guy gets sent to another dimension and shows people it's not the size or popularity that makes the person, it's the courage, it's a solid 5/10 for people that don't know Mario for the alright story, amazing animation and great foght scenes and fun characters, and 7/10 for Mario fans for it being a pretty spot on mario movie
Worst things invented in humanity:
- Nuclear bombs
- Marvel Cinemaic Universe (look at the state cinema was when the MCU was at peak)
- The "Woke" word
And many many more...
DONT FORGET FACCSIM AND NAZISM AND THE WHOLE 3RD REICH!!!!!!!!!
This is very similarly how I feel about the owl house. It’s a fine show, but man the fans are absolutely crazy. You can’t critique that show one bit without the fans rushing to defend it. They are so defensive it’s actually crazy. I get that the show was shortened, but I should still be able to critique things wrong with it, minus pacing issues cause those are understandable. The shortening made people act like you can’t critique the show at all
nah screw the owl house fandom and screw the mid owl house show this is not the same mario movie has some reasons for getting defended
@@niteriemcfarlane5285 Regardless of how you feel about “The Owl House”, you pretty much proved the point that the OP was making that the Mario fandom is just as bad and reflexively defensive as “The Owl House” fandom.
Nintendo fans and Sonic fans are really one in the same now that I think about it.
Just waiting for the inevitable war over the fnaf movie being good or not, That’s gonna be even worse…
17:33 That "MARIO GONE WOKE!?!🤢🤮" thumbnail was from a meme video I made as a joke
Lmao 😂
Mario fans are just insecure and toxic
I know I’m a whole year late to this debacle but this video perfectly sums up the double standard of Mario Movie defenders.
They say it’s absolute peak cinema but if you criticize any aspect of the film, they switch up and say it’s a dumb kids movie that’s not meant to be taken seriously.
The funniest thing, Disney did congrats Illumination and Nintendo for reaching $1 Billion Dollars
This is probably my favorite video when it comes to the whole Mario movie debacle. It’s a shame that most people can’t think of feedback or criticism as more than just “Positive = good, Negative = bad.”
And I know that people try to argue “it goes both ways. People who liked the movie also get bashed.” The thing is though is that cynical people, especially the political folks like Geeks and Gamers, are already bad apples to begin with and are way more niche than those who project toxic positivity because the former are purposefully looking for a reaction.
Don’t get me wrong, toxicity will always be wrong but you can’t argue with me that both are even remotely equal, and especially not just in the Nintendo fanspace.
I want to see Nintendo and Illumination improve in a sequel while also seeing Miyamoto being more open to the prospect of Mario having more substantial stories like the RPG titles. However, that likely won’t be possible with this discourse.
Cartoonish and whole internet: *Makes tons of videos bout movie*
My country: Yea... we'll let that movie into ours theathers from 26th of May... yea wait more and dont understand the context of movie
That’s Nintendo fans for you. You make ONE criticism about something in regards to a franchise they love and they will start attacking you and defend the product like it’s no end.
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@@stopmob1097 Frn't
@@scottchaison1001 wdym it’s true and I’m a Nintendo fan be honest you know it’s true
This is even WORSE than the Sonic Movie 2 criticism fiasco and I was there when it happened! 😱
Like how lot of Sonic fans act like Arlo is oppose of the Sonic franchise and "jealous" of Sonic fanbase getting good Sonic content just because he doesn't like Sonic Movie 2? I remember.
The reason they have such a brittle reaction "It's just for Mario fans" is simple.
They slammed games like Sonic Mania for targeting people who are nostalgia blind.
And this only proves that they have been targeted as well.
And in their minds , a target is a life long sucker , it's a weakness they would rather deny.
As I brought in comment section to original video: Lego Movie is peak example of how you can make a compelling narative by just using main cores and symbols of brand. Back in the 2014 when Dishonored 2 having female lead was expected with no controversy and everyone with leak of media analysis knew Joel gonna die in sequel, most people rightfully pointed how Lego Movie should be the prime example of how you do the brand driven movies for kids. The issue being that now everyone is Big Brother who rewrites history to make Mario Movie being even close in it's storytelling to Lego Movie.
Thank god someone who actually had a level headed take on the movie is talking about the toxic behavior this movie got. I loved the movie but I’m not one to go out of my way to diss people who didn’t like it
Hi.
even as a mario fan, love mario 64 and the hat game and have so many hours in mario maker, the fact they need to call the movie "super mario MOVIE" shows that they know this isnt a good movie, just like the emoji movie. if you need to mention that a movie is a movie, it probably sucks. its literally like date movie, epic movie and disaster movie. its just refrences and nothing else and it has to remind you that its a movie. if i want refrences, i would play the games . this is blatant nostalgia baiting and deserves no money, dont make a movie if it has no plot, this is yet another bad videogame movie
the visuals are beatiful and the animations feels very alive (bowser felt weird tho), probably fun if you take some mushrooms or acid, but thats it. its like new COD games or most triple A. sure the visuals / graphics are good but thats not a substitute for other stuff
its like they recorded gameplay with OSB and then animated it with CGI. And yes the movie looks beatiful, but thats it
My favorite part of all this is when websites like Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB claim they are removing negative reviews under the guise of review bombing. Yet all the bots/people giving the movie a 10 and blindly loving it are allowed to stay. Thus reinforcing the echo chamber of toxic positivity, leading to droves of people being absolute cuntish ninnies on the internet. People say why care about RT or imdb but the problem is those websites, for better or worse (definitely worse) are used as a metric of success, movies that get "good" ratings make more money and are more likely to be used as a template for future movies. We the viewers need a fair field to criticize movies, and our criticism is valid and should be on display (COUGH youtube downvotes being removed). Yes people abuse their ability to criticize topics, yet people also abuse the ability to shield a topic with toxic positivity and other bad faith arguments.
People who use the term "It's a kids movie" when criticizing an animated film are part of the reason why Trolls is getting 7 sequels while Milo Murphy's Law is stuck at 1 season.
There was 2 seasons of Milo Murphy's Law
@@DanielsProductions11channel You knew what I meant.
Wait, So *WE’RE NOT EVEN HALFWAY DONE WITH THE TROLLS FRANCHISE???!!!*
@@joaquinm9148 I think the 7 sequels are hyperbolic for levity’s sake, but his point is that the people using “it’s a kid’s movie” to defend an animated film are why most major animation studios rely on franchises and sequels (or in this case, an advertisement for a video game with not much substance) instead of taking risks and being creative, which they should do.
@@BenJPics9925 Ok
The criticism about the story is actually something Illumination probably wants because they understand they can't do this again. Another movie that relies on references with little character growth and a thin story will not cut it for a sequel. Hopefully, the success of this film will allow for the story team to be less shackled next time or with other adaptations.
Because they were shackled. Concept art has leaked of Toadsworth and Toadette being in the movie along with crowds of toads who were clearly male and female. I also believe things like Peach's past and Donkey Kong's relationship with his father would have gotten more concentration if Miyamoto had not insisted on the plot remaining light like the games. It was all they could do to have Luigi be the one captured instead of Peach which was the right call.
There's nothing wrong with the story being simple like in most of the games, especially since it's the first movie. And the movie doesn't just relies on the references, the movie stands on its own, if you don't know anything about Mario the movie would still be very enjoyable. And Peach and DK were great, I don't know what you're talking about.
@@scottchaison1001I legit got bored halfway through watching the movie lmao. Its a generic movie with the name mario in it
@@eeg-rh7jv "Lmao" = Invalid opinion.
@@scottchaison1001 Good to know you have no actual arguments
@@eeg-rh7jv It's not like you made a good argument in the first place, so don't project yourself, mate.
Remember when we loved The Force Awakens for about a week until we started complaining about the nostalgia pandering? Why does Mario get a pass for that?
Because the Mario Movie is actually a good movie.
@@scottchaison1001 We said the same thing about The Force Awakens.
@@DarthJoshReturns It’s crazy how the fan response in defense of both “The Force Awakens” and the Mario movie are pretty much the same. In both cases, the fans hardly defend the movie on its own merits, but instead attack people for criticizing the film, simp for the lead actor and make said actor out to be the victim, and exploit the film for political purposes. Plus, much of the defense seems to be nostalgia-driven brand loyalty more than anything else.
Honestly all those toxic Mario movie fans who defend it and bully others for a having diffrent opinion only made me dislike the movie itself. The movie is fine for what it is but at the same time that doesn't mean they couldn't at least try a bit more . I don't think that others would care about it if wasn't about Mario.
I went back and forth so much on whether I thought I should watch it, and I'm glad I did, but I'd be lying if I said it left a major impression on me a week after viewing it. It was fun, I'd maybe rewatch it, but it wasn't a masterpiece, unlike something like Puss in Boots The Last Wish or Marcel, the Shell with Shoes On. I'm of the belief that all "kids" media is bad, because only kids can enjoy it. I don't think of Toy Story or How to Train Your Dragon as "kids movies", I just think of them as movies. And so while I don't think Mario is a kids movie, since it's a movie with a wider appeal than that, I'd be completely lying if I said it was a masterpiece that will permanently stand the test of time. I honestly can't remember the last time I saw this much of a whiny childish temper tantrum of a response to negative criticism, and it makes me eternally grateful that I don't use Twitter and that I wisened up and stopped following the channels you mentioned at the end, since that was not a healthy period for my mental state during that time. Once again proving why you're one of my personal favorite movie reviewers, I don't agree with every take but you keep a level head when reviewing media, and that's all I want.
I was pretty annoyed when I saw people on my side of the political aisle using this film as some own or takedown on Disney. Just because the film doesn’t have a gay character or something doesn’t make it an “anti-woke” film, especially when the film is not even political at all. SMH Much of this culture war nonsense is causing a sort of psychosis in some people on both sides, and I’m glad I’m largely not invested in it as some other people. As I’ve said in another comment, it’s gotten to the point where I’m fatigued and indifferent with much of political discourse.
Puss in Boots 2 isn't a masterpiece either.
@@scottchaison1001 How does that invalidate the OP’s opinion in any way? If you think the Mario movie is a masterpiece and that “Puss In Boots: The Last Wish” is not, that’s totally fine. But, you are not the arbiter of what other people should and should not find as masterpieces.
If its a kidsmovie, then why fill it with references to games 99% of todays kids wont even know.
Probably for the adults to be like hey I remember that.
Also, licensed pop music from the 80’s that most kids won’t know.
There’s like at least 7 Mario games that have a more creative and engaging story than the movie. I like the movie enough but I don’t understand why people feel the need to undersell the source material to prop it up.
Pretty funny it's the Mario fans who undersell the Mario franchise to "defend" this movie lol
@@retrofan4963 The fans shoot themselves in the foot when they make lapses of self-awareness like this. It’s almost like they’re saying, “The games are nothing special, so why do you have such lofty expectations about the film?” without realizing that they are making a backhanded statement about the movie as a result.
I don’t like this movie. Carried by references. Beautiful animation tho.
I like this movie. I respect your opinion and won't call you an idiot for not likeing it.
I'm so glad there are people out there that aren't complete fucking retards
@@who-ny5oe we need more Mario fans like you
People did this with the new transformers film too, but to a lesser extent. I just don't get why people get so mad about any amount of criticism towards films they like. It's one thing if it's invalid criticism or prople criticize the people for liking it instead of just the art, but really outside of that if you get mad at criticism of a movie or something, then you're probably getting too personally attached to media and need to grow up.
10:20 Ironically enough, I've seen the Rotten Tomatoes scores for the Paw Patrol movie and everyone loves that film. Which just makes the fact that there are people having a panic attack over negative Mario movie reviews even funnier.
So the critics loved the Paw Patrol Movie but not the Mario Movie? That's pretty stupid.
THE PAW PATROL MOVIE!? those critics definitely have COMPLETELY different opinions than me.
What I’m honestly hoping for is that, like with the Sonic movies, the sequel will be better
Same
Smashmovieverse can be done, IF THEY ARE SMAST ABOUT IT
@@Ramsey276one It would take longer to get the rights and resources than it's gonna take for Nintendo to make a new console and I do feel it'd be extremely ambitious, to an unrealistic degree, but it would be absolutely wild
The fact that the first Sonic movie focused so much on the live action characters and setting the scene basically meant that the second movie could do so much more in terms of the game-related things or the /Sonic/ stuff which is honestly amazing
They did extremely well and I do hope they evolve the Mario movie's format for the better
It's pretty obvious that all the fanservice cameos were to try and set up a Mario Cinematic Universe, so give them about 5 years to start making something passable.
The first is good
I agree that the story is not that well developed despite enjoying the Mario movie. I doubt the twitter users even read the reviews, but I'd be happy to see people who did.
First of all, this video is so cathartic to listen to, dealing with fans of the movie has been super exhausting. Secondly as a fan of the RPGs I feel like they absolutely had the stuff they needed to make a good story for a movie with the Mario series, at least one with more engaging characters. The Mario world has so much potential in the medium of film, but (especially unsurprising since it was Illumination at the helm) the film just felt so soulless and like one of the safest things they could’ve done for a Mario Movie. I really hope they don’t have illumination work on other Nintendo series for films because I don’t want them to get this treatment.
I think it’s a good idea for Illumination to work on films based on games like Donkey Kong or Splatoon, since those are more kind of their style.
People hate Illumination for no reason.
@@quangamershyguyyz7166 trust me, the more you know about Splatoon the more you’ll learn that it’s not a good fit. Also I’ve accepted that a DK film is most likely inevitable, but that doesn’t mean I’m happy about it. It’ll most likely be another passable at best film when there’s potential for something way better.
@@scottchaison1001 it’s because they make mid, and people like you can’t accept critique towards stuff you like.
@@scottchaison1001 Have you watched every Illumination film and liked all of them? Or did you just assume that all of Illumination’s films are good because you saw and liked one film of theirs they made? If you have seen all of their films and liked them (or liked at least most of them), that’s fine. If not, it’s rather foolish to make a rash judgment like that on the quality of a film studio’s entire body of work just because they happened to make one film that you like. Also, it’s not entirely true that people unjustly hate Illumination. Most critics and audiences loved the original “Despicable Me”, and even still, critics and audiences alike had a little more than a lukewarm reception to some of their work, like the “Sing” franchise, for instance. Putting the controversy of the Mario movie aside, outside of the other films I mentioned, I think there is a more united consensus between critics and audiences that the rest of Illumination’s work is less-than-stellar.
No, you're right. The Mario movie is quite enjoyable, but it could have been improved on. From my experience, it could've used a lot more of Luigi, as well as Lumalee being a waste-of-space much to our confusion. It's not 5/10, but it's definitely not 9/10 either. I thought it was 7/10, same thought I had for "Super Mario 3D Land," which had a basic plot and painfully lack of voice acting even in the climax.
So... About 3D land, I don't think it needed any voice acting and it was a Mario game so, I don't really know what you expected with the story. Definitely a 7/10 game for me but I don't personally have the same reasons.
I think 8/10 personally
Lumalee wasn’t that annoying, honestly. He only spoke like 4 times, all of which seemed to be rather spaced out.
I think the biggest issue with him is that his inclusion feels a bit too ambiguous. Why was he captured by Bowser? I can’t tell if it’s foreshadowing for a sequel, or they just didn’t have ideas for him.
I love how the Mario movie is simultaneously the "wokest" and "most anti-woke" movie out currently all depending if the people you don't like, doesn't like the movie or vice-versa.
I have no desire to see the Mario movie. I can understand why it looks appealing to many, but for me it boils down to two things:
1. I only kinda like one Illumination film. I don't think I would give any of the other ones above a 4/10.
2. I have very little emotional connection to the Mario brand, and from what I have seen from most reviews, it appears that is the main draw of the movie, with everything else being on the back burner. I like to watch films for their stories, music, themes characterizations, cinematography etc. To me, this film seems like it will give me competent version of the Emoji movie at best. (as in the primary motivation was to use a popular thing as a vehicle for set pieces that are essentially just ads).
If you like it, fine, but please try to understand that other people look for different things in movies. I am not saying I have superior taste or that you are a hackish sheeple baby solely for having a different piece of art. Being unable to consider or even just ignore differing perspective is what would make you hackish sheeple babies.
lorax is their best film tbh
@@johnnymatee right above HOP
I liked it. Yeah the story was bone dry but I think they could have definitely added more to the story. But I think they focused solely on the references they put the story on the back burner and it sadly suffered for it. But seeing as they hinted at another movie maybe they might learn from this. To balance both references and the story
@@Raya-ir4tm Sad, but true. It’s like people have learned nothing from Marvel being successful, and Disney acquiring Marvel as a result as a way to profit off of sequels and spinoffs from the MCU while playing it safe instead of making original IPs that would appeal to most audiences. I can’t say that it’s entirely Disney’s fault (don’t get me wrong; they’re not totally off the hook on mostly being creatively bankrupt these days) since people flock to see these films. Disney is basically giving people what they think they want, and the audiences continuing to see these films are exactly why Disney has become this assembly line of superhero flicks and other franchises in the first place. If people don’t wise up, I’m afraid Illumination will do the same thing and milk the Mario franchise the same way Disney has done with Marvel and the “Star Wars” franchise.
As much as I love this movie, I agree that the story needed to be more complex
imo it would be nice to have a sequel but I'm kinda scared if the plot turns out to be much worse and basicly will be just a cash grab
Mario was deffo a standout for Illumination since that company was always used to slow paced unfunny movies. But it really needed time to have character moments like the part where Gru was telling a bedtime storry to the girls from Despicable Me
Admittedly, as someone who like the film and think that it at least fulfills the bare minimum of a Mario movie, I barely even trust critics AND audience scores on Rotten Tomatoes since they don't actually describe a film's quality and more of a summary of reviews taken. Also, critics DO like kids' movies and simple stories as justified by The Bad Guys and Captain Underpants being aimed at younger viewers and having very basic plots getting high critics and audience scores.
I am just grateful that at least it's not the live-action film from the 90s (though I do like it for all the ironic reasons) or another "Ugly Sonic" situation.
Another banger video, toonshi. At this point, this controversy comes from the immense popularity of the movie from its success. It is obvious at this point that the movie makes plenty enough sense when your familiar with the games, but has shaky and unpolished writing. So people don't want to comment on everything else because the video game aspect of the movie was really good?
THEN THE MOVIE IS JUST A VIDEO GAME??? MOVIES AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE GAMES??? THEY HAVE STORY??
I'm out
The movie is good, stop exaggerating.
@Scott Chaison I can have complaints if I want to bruh lmao. Movie wasn't perfect but I still really enjoyed it. That was the point of the video
@@scottchaison1001 Someone pointing out the blind praise the film is getting is exaggerating? Do you know what the word means, or did you post the same copy-and-pasted comment in response to comments that are critical of the film without even reading any of them?
To be honest i didn't know that this went on about the mario movie but it does remind about how in 2017 with breath of the wild that some of the fanbase also did simular things to critics that gave the game a lower score then a ten. So pretty standard reaction.
Here’s my take. The first movie is the biggest example of building a world showing off every possible location, for future entries. I disliked the featured songs that weren’t Nintendo songs. Especially the ones that were replacing the far better songs by Brian Tyler. But it’s also Nintendo they won’t be putting the crap other companies have been putting in their movies. I can see how when most of every movie that come out today is pushing an agenda with its characters and other things. So seeing parents are rating this movie so highly is because this movie is what parents want, a simple known brand that they trust. Parents trust the games for their kids to play being safe to play for kids. So many parents will bandwagon on this because it is basically a Mario game in movie form. Simple as that.
What do you mean by pushing an agenda?