Why do Anthrax guitars sound so AMAZING? What gear did Dan Spitz and Scott Ian use Among The Living
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- Опубліковано 15 гру 2022
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I can't believe it, someone else mentioned Dan Spitz,and praised him like me. I'm gonna cry.
me too lol he's so underrated it's a crime
Dan Spitz is the most overlooked player from that era.
Agree, better lead player than Kirk, Kerry, Jeff and probably Mustaine. Chris Poland and Friedman perhaps not
@@GordonHeaney yep as I got older I realized Poland is prob the best. But as a teen I preferred Danny.
I love Spitz's lead playing. He had such a distinctive sound and technique. Specifically, I love his phrasing on Hy Pro Glo.
Yes, so sad.
yeah they lost something when he went, although they still had some good songs
I always look forward to your broadcast. I want to hear W.A.S.P !
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Chris Holmes is a monster!! Him and Randy Piper are fantastic!!!
Early anthrax ( upto state of euphoria ) both guitarist used marshall heads and cabs , the last marshall Scott Ian toured with was a jcm 800 , after that he switched to Randall ,after playing through dimes rig he switched .
I always found it weird Scott didn't write the riffs, but there you go.
Dan spitz used to be a jazz player, maybe that's why he's so good
Yeah Alex Skolnick was obsessed with jazz too.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE is obsessed... he has done War Pigs jazz version, very nicely done, also look for Jazz Sabbath.
he was a jazz player? where can I find out more about that?
@@creamysauce7966 I read in an interview he used to be in a jazz band when he was a kid. He was talking about sight-reading 'messed-up' chords
@@redearthpaul178 lol messed up chords
surprised nobody mentions the stereo detuning effect, that everyone was doing in the 80's just 5 cents sharp right and 5 cents flat left does wonders.
Yep. I mentioned the tape effect Kramer used to get a tape style chorus but didn't know if this was what they used. I think he was the first to do stereo ADT after the Beatles did it in mono. I would love to know how they got Kirk Hammets solo sound on Kill Em All. I suspect that is detuned too.
ben hauger knows.
Wow …..interesting 🤔
@@CIRCLEOFTONE I’ve always just assumed Kirk double tracked the solos on Kill em All or used a chorus pedal ?
@@brandonjackson5865 nah it's too tight for double tracked. I'd be suprised if it's a pedal
Saw Anthrax supporting Maiden in 1990. Such a great show
So glad you are better. Happy Holidays to you and yours!
Beautiful series of guitar tone videos. It's awesome .
I’m friends with Danny. We texted 2 days ago. He has a new Norwegian heavy metal watch coming out. He does the entire process from to back making these amazing timepieces. He lives I TX. Great dude. He can do anything mechanical. He built his rig for the reunion shows
Hahaha I’m in Boca Raton Florida
Thanks cool man
Man you are so lucky to be his friend!! He sure is awesome at everything he does. I admire him so much. I wish we can know more about his relationship with Anthrax members now. I wonder are Scott, Charlie and Dan are good now? I love them and Danny is so underrated.
Band House!!!! NAOOOW! Dan Spitz timepieces are gorgeous.
I was wondering when I would see you again. Thx for the vid.
First off: Stay well! Best wishes to you and your family in 2023!
I always loved their tone. I was eating lunch at Sweetwater a couple years ago and bumped into Scott Ian there. Chatted with him a few minutes and got a couple pictures with him. Awesome guy! He was very generous with his time even though he was there on business, so obviously very busy. Anthrax was doing a recording master class. It was an amazing moment! I've been a fan of Scott's since I was a young kid growing up in the late 80's and 90's.
All the best to you too man. I'd love to meet him. Huge influence on my right hand.
Dude I aboslutely loved this channel, its so unique and out of the ordinary, but then youtube stopped showing it to me for some reason. Glad to have found my way back here.
Glad you like it man.
Great to see a new video man, hope you are well!
Thanks! You too!
Big, big fan of Anthrax. I maintain that they had the best guitar tones (in the 80's at least) when compared to the other Big Four members. Serious riffage on Among the Living and State of Euphoria!
Oh fuck yeah very true the guitar tones were crazy
IDk, they were very good, but going up against the likes of Dave Mustaine, Kerry King and Jeff Hanneman is a toss up. Plus Kirk and James had a sick sound on Master of Puppets. I love all these guys, they are very good, but my personal favorite is probably Gary Holt of Exodus, dude is a monster, and Ill always argue Exodus and Overkill should get more mention along with the Big 4, probably should throw Testament in and just call it the big 7. If I had to pick a favorite Joey era Anthrax album it would be Persistence of Time, and for the Bush era We've Come for You All, that album is kick ass from start to finish, plus we get some extra Dime riffs, you can never go wrong there.
Spreading the Disease was thrashy af.
@@STR8L8CED Likely my second favorite Anthrax album, behind We've Come for You All. A lot of punk influence on Spreading the Disease. Plus I love Stephen King books, and The Gunslinger has always been my favorite Anthrax song and King character.
I saw them for the second time in 1987 at the Royal Court in Liverpool with Testament. It was the night that they got a load of their custom Jackson guitars nicked from the tour bus. A few years later we found out that the bin bags of t-shirts that had been lifted were dumped in an area of the city and a bin crew found them and were wearing them to work for years later. Embarrassing for the city like, but it didn't really top the chaos of the recent Beastie Boys gig.
For the time, I don't think anything can beat the opening chord of Caught In A Mosh and the palm mutes/bass run that follow. You've got to have a pretty bright tone to hear the picking songs like that.
Great vid as usual. 🤘🤘
I found the No Drugs Jackson in a backstreet shop in Wigan a few years later, they wanted £750, I reported it to the police, as far as I know the only thing that was recovered
What's a bin crew?
not sure how I've never come across your Channel bedefore, but instant sub as soon as I watch this video. keep up the great work man, love what you're doing here
Thanks man!
Have a good one Owen - good to see you back
Just found your channel and you got so much good content bro!
Glad you enjoy it!
I went to see Anthrax at O2 Brixton Academy recently. Their music was part of my life in 80s. That info about Charlie written most riffs was in this week's Loudwire ......I finished recording Anthrax style guitar and I think the sound is mostly from the style of playing, then mixing and layering guitars in the track.
Charlie Benante wrote the riffs, no shit! I did know that Dan had become a very talented watchmaker, I wondered as to his whereabouts a while ago and came across his website. Fucking amazing. You got the sound pretty close Owen, not an easy one to replicate.
And +1 for doing Suicidal Tendencies, their self-titled debut in particular. Studio setup looking sweet mate
Late 80's Anthrax & Exodus both had killer tones.
First Anthrax show was on the official Headbangers Ball Tour in 1988. Was just a wee lad. 🤘
Fk yes Frozen by Type O mate. Great choice. I still go back and watch your Bacchus cover all the time. Excellent
Appreciate your videos, playing , and education
Thanks man
Awesome, Brother. Good to see you again. I hope you and your family reject the germ from whence it came and you can all get back to being healthy, productive, and happy.
I remember the Anthrax days, barely (lol, great parties back then). That was back when my proto-thrash band Jered Syn was hitting its stride on the South Jersey Shore. Great times.
Thanks!! 🤘🤘
Nice. East Coast Thrash was great.
Met Dan Spitz once. My band opened up for Anthrax on the Among the Living Tour. He came down to our dressing room and introduced himself. Super nice guy.
He he seemed like a sweet guy in the old MTV Anthrax specials. We're you taken back by how short he was?
@@supernothing77 Yes
Who was your band?
Aw! I'd love to know more. Can you describe what it was like and how did Dan and Anthrax interact with you?
Man your tone in this sounds awesome!
Thanks man
looking cut buddy. keep rocking!
Summer of '87 all the metalheads were listening to "Among the living". They came to town in July of that year with metal Church and d r i and they killed it!
That wouldnt be portland oregon by any chance would it?
No sorry It was Corpus Christi,Texas
I’d love to see you tackle some Bobby Gustafson era OVERKILL!! 🤘🤘
Great chat Mr Gibbins. This is the stuff that drove us all insane in the Coach House days. Never forget your Welsh mun. Col ( bass )
Colin! Do you have your old blind justice demos on mp3?
@@CIRCLEOFTONE unfortunately not Owen. Andy or Dorian ( living in Houston ) may well have them. I wore down your king of the couch demo, Some superb tracks on that. Ive got “Tock” on mp3 whick has some sterling fretboard acrobatics👍 I’ll drop the guys a message to see if the demos still exist on cassette and get back to you.
I’d totally for a dan spitz watch if I had the money. The dude is a genius
Charlie is such an underrated musician. Great vid, nice to see more for the studio :) Going on the vanilla sausage analogy, I tried an EMG setup into my Peavey and.......I don't like it. It's the set-up of my childhood and it's just so underwhelming, guess it's more of a producer's tool. Got a Duncan Custom that is VAAASTLY prefer, overtones be damned.
More flappage 'en, butt!
The SPX90 has been used on most major records produced since its inception. Especially on bass. Great video. Kudos to Charlie Benante killing it on the road with the Pantera Tribute!!
It's my fav on bass. Great slow rotor vibe.
You should take a crack at Meantime era Helmet. That tone just eludes me.
If anyone knows what they used let me know
If you watch any of the worship music making of videos, you can see Charlie using the click tracks, but he has Scott there with him tracking guitar live. I think this is the best of both worlds. You can have the visual cues of the live tracking, and the precision of the click.
this title caught my eye , charlie is a wicked guitarist too.i wonder if Ian used that surfcaster later or whether its just for show ?i love sound of white noise
What about Suicidal Tendencies?!
fucken aye
Does anyone know what they used?
@CIRCLE OF TONE. I think rocky used ibanez rg model guitars, not sure about Mike Clarke, but I know he endorsed fernandes guitars ?
@@CIRCLEOFTONE the classic lineup: Rocky George Mesa Mark III then on Art Of Rebellion Dual Recto, Mike Clark Yamaha T100 though I believe he used JCMs at some point
nice video and playing...thank you
will you do Misfits or Samhain one day? 😀
Have to agree on the hurricanes. Ian hit us pretty hard and half our fences are still laying on the ground and we're still waiting until the contractor gouging recedes to an acceptable level. Other than that I love your channel man, i watch every video
Yeah it's such a pain. So much prep and waiting. Glad you like the vids man.
Great 2 see ya back! Great video. Dan is freaking amazing. I think a band that should be considered, would be Testament. Eric Peterson & Alex Skolnick are phenomenal at their craft. Take Care 🤘
Great suggestion!
Amazing breakdown of one of the most amazing tones of the 80's. If you're still taking requests, it would be nice to see how Malevolent Creation got their tone for Retribution or how Suffocation nailed the tone for Effigy of the Forgotten.
I know the Malevolent guys - they used Marshall JCM800s and Mesa Dual Recs w/ Boss Metal Zone pedals for Retribution for that brutal (and somewhat excessive) scooped out distortion.. 🤘🤘
@@bda1106yahoo Thanks for the reply! Sorry if the follow up question is dumb, but where they boosting the Marshalls and the Mesas with the Metal Zones or where they running the pedals through the clean channel?
@@karrazaki89 metal zone to boost the front end of the heads - half the gain was from the metal zone and half from the heads - that’s how they got that searing distortion.
Effigy is either a Valvestate 8100 or an Ampeg VH140C, whichever it was it was boosted with a Korg overdrive.
So glad you're back on your thing the circle has returned and I like it!!!!!(P.S. killing joke rules!!!!!)
I heard an interesting thing back in the 90s, Scott Ian preferred using EV speakers in his cabs. That may have been a thing later on, after Among the Living, but I'm pretty sure he always claimed they were "better" because they were full-range HiFi speakers rather than guitar speakers. I think I got that from a guitar magazine (probably Guitar Player mag) when they started covering the big four.
How about you do Deicide's Legion guitar tone. That album had a pretty killer tone. the debut was just Morrisound 101, but the guitars on Legion had something unique about them.
Great suggestion. Loved how evil they sounded.
Dan was rocking a monster rack of Mesa MarkIII's and mesa power amps for the live tone back in the day.
Yep he went mkiii after the studio fire took out his other amps.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE According to a post on Dan’s Instagram, the Mark III’s were the ones that were destroyed in the fire.
I don’t think he ever had Mark IIC’s. It was Mark III’s.
Nice to see a new video from you. Still need the Necrotism carcass vid.
Yeah that would be a good one
Nice picking there my man!!! Excited for this one.
Cheers Finn. End of Heartache era Killswitch Engaged is next. The metalcore band neckbeards pretend to not like.
Dan is without a doubt the top influence for me. Then Jeff then Dime
Great to see a new video from Circle of Tone!
Yes, I knew Charlie wrote the bulk of the riffs. Probably why I was more into Anthrax than Metallica: I'm a drummer.
Thanks man. Yep he's a beast. Saw Pantera in the early 90's. Peak destruction
Always thought Anthrax had some of the best riffs, groove, and tone out there. Guitars and bass were perfect! That TC distortion baby!
Charlie is a very talented Drummer as well. Their rhythm parts with Frankie, Charlie and Scott are tremendous!!
So apparently your video didn't show up on my sub list. Also I gotta say Persistence of Time is right up there with Among the Living imo, great tone and an amazing set of songs.
Yeah it sucks when subs don't get notifications
Out of all the big 4,Anthrax always had the most aggressive tone.
Agreed. It was SO PISSED OFF sounding.
I agree 100% about Dan Spitz.
Definitely would love to hear Type O Negative! For Bloody Kisses Kenny Hickey said he used an A/DA MP-1. Not sure if it was modded though, you can definitely hear the chorus on Frozen from that unit. Now October Rust, that would be a little harder.
Owen already did an October Rust video. Check Circle of Tones videos, its there. He totally nails it 🤘💀🤘
@@jorrickthole6505 yes but he didn’t use what Kenny Hickey used to record it, he didn’t nail it
Have you heard the tone on All that Remains' album "Overcome" it has a really cool scooped sound to it and I would like to see what you think of the tone.
Ceremony band
Violence Violence album
bass is so good sounding
I have seen pictures of Charlie’s Guitar, it’s a black Gibson Howard Roberts Fusion model, the LP Custom of Jazz Guitars.
No joke, Scott Ian has some of the best tone our there.
Dan was easily the best lead player of the big 4 back on those 80’s records. Obviously Chris Poland did some great stuff but Dan took the cake for me.
Yep when I got older I appreciated the depth of Poland but at the time it was all going on Dan was the man I was fanboying over.
A buddy of mine worked on one of their late 90s albums and he told me that Charlie likes to use an old piece of gear called a rushing/dragging meter, or something like that. I'm sorry I dont remember exactly what it's called. But essentially it works kinda the same way a tuner works. The light meter starts to go one way if you rush and the other way if you drag. He said he would just keep his eyes on that thing and try to keep it within a certain percent.
Awesome info
A Skeleton In the Closet. That shit rips. Have you done a Deftones video? Like the Around The Fur/ White Pony era where Stephan Carpenter used a JMP1 and 8200 poweramp with stock Marshall cabinets? JB for the ATF and EMG 81 for WP. Plus Stephan has said in an Ernie Ball video that Anthrax was his favorite thrash band and that is what I thought of now. Carpenter still uses his JMP1 on the newer records still.
Awesome info. I would love that. Do you have any links etc to quotes from him re that gear?
Many people set the click too fast. Set it up for quarter notes so it click once for x4 16th or once for x6 sextuplets. Then you retain the feel and give the recording space Also, set the click a little slower than you think because everything sounds faster when all the instruments are laid down.
the guiar tone of cris degarmo and micheal wilton of queensryche
Something about Jacksons makes them the most metal sounding guitar.
Are you sure about Dan using 81's? I vaguely remember him talking about preferring the very early 58's in his guitars to newer Emg's in some old guitar mag interview.
Anthrax's palm mutes made me want to play guitar. I'm still at it 33 years later.
Huge influence on me too
New subscriber here, have you done a Pantera video yet?? Dime and EVH were the masters of unique sound.
No I've not done a Dime one. Has to be done.
For me the Spreading ... era is the best. Among the living is a bit too clean sounding for me. I think Ian used jcm800 super leads(maybe 50w in the studio?) with a TC electronic booster and he has a killer sounding Rhoads (the exception for Jackson imho). That guitar(the "NOT" Rhoads) has a full maple body as far as i remember from an old interview. There is some old video recording from a tour they did with Agent Steel and Overkill in the mid 80's where he has that "older" Anthrax sound.
Danny was the best of the big four. All over for him. Very underrated guitarist.
Did Dan actually use an EMG 81 at the time? He was known for using the 85.
I love Dan's old comic book and cartoon themed Jacksons. But man that PRS he had a while back, the 6-in-line headstock was hideous hahaha I also never knew he was only like 5 feet tall until this year
Yeah it was an abomination.
The six-string that should not be
The tones they had from ‘Spreading the Disease’ to ‘Persistence of Time’ was ripping 😆
Agreed.
First Korn album tone please 🙏🏼
Would love to know what was used
@@CIRCLEOFTONE they actually used producer's Ross Robinson's JCM 800 and there as a big muff and a ts9 involved I think. They switched to Mesa Rectifiers after that record.
Nailed it
Probably one of the biggest parts of the rhythm tone was Scott Ian's picking hand technique. I have heard him say in an interview how his fingernails get ate up. That means he is digging in deep.
Yep he's an absolute machine.
Could you maybe build one of those dumble kits from thegearpage or ampgarage and share your best tone that matches it
A guy near me makes clones. I'm in more of a selling phase though haha
I am pretty sure all the rhythm guitars were done by Scott in the studio. Spitz has done the leads.
Yeah no doubt
What state are you in bro?
The War Dance riff is one of the hardest riffs of all time
One of the best thing ever in metal history
the "click track" is most definitely not like 100% to the grid even if there are back then (there's UREI 964 hardware but you get the idea).
Speaking of the tone, i thought it was more like G12-65 or G12T-75 but nice to know it really is the G12-80, i wonder if Classic Lead can nail it tho.
Lyle Preslar from Minor Threat had such a killer raw tone.
Courtesy of a Proco Rat!
I saw them open for Maiden supporting this album. I was seriously concerned about my hearing and not being able to hear Maiden as clear as I would want to. It was so fucking loud!!!!
Because Scott Ian has used the Duncan JB the entire time. Best sleeper bridge pickup EVER
Yep that's in the vid. Perfect for a boosted JCM800
Megadave has also been using JB like forever, considering Livewire is basically Active JB while Thrash Factor is based on one but with additional input from the man.
I remember reading that metallica borrowed their amps during the making of ride the lightning
Yep I covered that in my RTL video. They got thier old KEA amps stolen and had to scramble.
Is that boost Scott Ian used still available?
The TC electronics line booster? Get a pepers dirty tree. It’s far and away the. Best TC preamp clone on the planet. The fortin 33 ain’t even close to
How good that thing sounds ( the 33 is a TC clone as well if you aren’t aware)
@@truckguy3 Thanks I'll take a look at those.
Exodus bonded by blood era?
their is a rumour in the internet that Dan used the celestion alnico gold speaker but i think he used the g12-80 to
The gold was not released back then. He may have used them since. I have one. Good bright speaker.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE can the alnico speakers do high gain metal tones or are they more for vintage vox tones
Among The Living rules!!!! \m/
I have been a fan of anthrax since the begining , I hated the early stuff they did with John bush during the 90s , the only bush stuff I liked was music of mass destruction and we've come for you all , my favourite albums are as follows
1st for all kings .
2nd among the living .
3rd spreading the disease.
4th worship music .
5th state of euphoria.
6th persistence of time.
7th attack of the killer bs .
8th fist full of metal .
As a drummer of 35 years I totally agree with Charlie , clicks sterilise metal just as triggers sterilise the sound of most metal they are used on ( I'm not hating on triggers , in extremely fast metal I think triggers have a place , particularly the bass drums )
However hearing acoustic drums getting hit hard in thrash and death metal music is beautiful , I think modern drummers don't know how to hit hard enough , back in the day you used to use wooden beaters ,click Pads on the bass drums , and good heavy 2b or 5b sticks , back in the late 80s and early 90s us drummers had to learn to hit harder than ever because when we did tiny pub gigs half the time there was no p.a for the drums ,so if you didn't hit hard you weren't heard .
Agreed. So much tippy tappy gravity beats then it's triggered to sound like they are hitting a snare with thors hammer. It's so fake.
From a producer/mixing engineer perspective I can tell that most of the "tone" on an album comes from how guitars are mixed. Of course the initial tone when recording is important, but the mixing stage can make or break that tone.
Ministry, Muckypup, Sick of it All, Judas Priest. So many bands you can replicate.
Set up a band room and invite the three of them to come over and jam.
Can ya do the so far so good so what megadeth guitar tone
I love that tone. So chaotic and smeared but deadly.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE yeah great as raw and agressive
I like that Chorus, sounds like a flanger
I tend to make all my choruses slow motor style.
Nope Dan used 2 Mesa Boogie Mark 3 heads. I saw them on the ATL tour. The Mark 3s had blue indicator lights while the prior Mark versions had orange lights.
Yep he used dozens of different amps over the years live. The mkIIc+, Mk III, Metropolis Plexi etc. But the one he modded in the studio was the earlier version.
A Pale Horse Named Death. Love Kenny give him some more pub
Kenny isn't in aphnd. He's in silvertomb. Johnny played drums on the first album, that's Sal's band.
@@DAJUggaN4uT I could have sworn he was on a few of those records. Oops
Is that a JHS Morning GLory?
No it's a gearmandude Luther Drive. Looks similar