Why do Mastodon guitars sound so HUGE? What gear do they use?
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2022
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Man you gotta do a vid on Sodom because the tone of every instrument on albums like m16 is amazing
That would be crushing. If anyone knows the gear post it here.
Sodom tone on that album is legendary
I think Bernemann was using ENGL cabs and amps and custom Amfisound Kelly with BKP pickups. Atleast his later era. Blackfire is more Marshall guy and using various superstratos.
@@slobnchop The Amfisound Kelly was build in 04, so 3 years after M-16. Also the Amfisound came with EMGs 81/89 at the time. Bernemann mentioned in an interview that he ordered the custom guitar because the Jackson Kelly that he used for about a decade was falling apart touring with Sodom. So it might has been an Jackson Kelly with EMGs, which can be seen in a live video performing M-16 in Wacken 01.
In the same video a Marshall 4x12 is next to Bernemann. On top of the Marshall cab are two amps, which i highly suspect to be Engl Savage 120 Mk1 (it's really blurry, but the size of the control plate and the mirror effect suggest it) and he's also himself mentioned his use of the amp on other occasions.
Also a another cab with the Sodom logo, which could be an Engl Vintage cab, but that's really hard to tell, can be seen with a rack on top of it, most likely i'd guess this is his Rocktron Intelliflex Multi-FX.
@@slobnchop Yup. I just saw a live vid with Blackfire and it's a Stratocaster with a trem system and likely EMG pickups with a backline of Marshalls.
Hi CoT, I’ve been following you for years, since I’ve been playing electric guitar… and while you’ve helped me with tone, you’re now also inspiring me to get back into physical shape. Thank you for everything. Cheers from Cape Town.
We need to be pit prepared. Hehe. My elbows are swolen in case I see a crowd killer.
The bass does the heavy lifting. Guitars add the crunch. Love it.
I saw them during the Crack the Skye Tour. Bill and Brent both still played their custom First Act Guitars live. The 9 string that Brent Hinds played for a few songs, which has the GBe strings doubled like a 12 string, sounded amazing live
That guitar is in my notes. Great info man. No idea they played them live. Then again they change tuning like shirts.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE I can't remember who came up with the idea of that 9 string. But I have also seen Matt Pike play one very similar to it with High on Fire around the same time. I miss the First Act Custom shop guitars, they made some cool one offs for some cool artists
First Act used to make some sick guitars.
@@Forests0fFantasy it's not too far off conceptually from the old BC Rich 10 strings, and indeed Matt Pike had a similar one made around that time. Mustaine used a 10-string Bich in the early days but I don't think he ever really strung up the extra strings.
I'm still a bit fuzzy on demise of First Act. Most of the 'cool kids' of 00's metal and hardcore started playing them(Mastodon, High On Fire, Converge, Baroness, Cancer Bats, etc.). Then the custom shop's production grounded to halt and they were never seen again.
Wonderful job as always Owen. The Remission/Leviathan guitar sound is just so goddamned ferocious. They were a massive breath of fresh air back then.
Your videos about music and tone are my favorite in all youtube Ive been watching you since I was 16 and now Im almost 21. Never stop uploading videos man. Love from Spain.
Dude!! So glad to see you posting!
Glad you're back
I saw them in Seattle while they were recording Leviathan. I don’t recall them having any roadies, or maybe they had one guy, memory’s a bit fuzzy. I just remember them setting up and playing, no sound check, in around 10 minutes. They sounded tight and good, even played several Leviathan tracks despite it still being recorded.
Nice. Hard to believe that album is almost 20 years old.
I never cared for a great deal of drop tuning stuff but to give credit where credit is due they are an amazing band of serious players
Sounds absolutely killer, your own riff in the intro was brutal as hell too 🙌🏼
Oh. My. God.
I have been waiting for probably years for you to cut those strings. Amen brother.
Great content, as usual. 🤘🏼
Great video. I'm thinking, what about a Melvins gear episode?
😆I saw them OPEN for Clutch in Nashville for their Remission tour. They blew us away!
Damn I bet that gig was amazing. The beard count would be off the charts.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE They were kinda young and didn't have AS MUCH facial hair as now, but seriously just imagine going to see Clutch ... and these guys come out on stage and open with THIS SONG.
Bill always had his marshall cab G12T-75. Jcm 800 boosted with i think its called tube king overdrive/distortion pedal.
Bill used a tube works pedal, later albums he used an old ibanez tube king, but for the first too it was the old tube works overdrive as a boost into a jcm 800/mesa boogie/laney aor 100 or vh100r
brent has his old jmp and a old tube screamer of some descript
guitars were all on point, v's, les pauls and sgs
Someone was selling one of Bill's old Tube Works pedals on Reverb for $600. I don't think it has sold yet ...
Mastodon use that dropped A type of tuning, AGCFAD, so D standard, drop the low D to an A, I would use .10s with like a .52, I imagine the Tokai is 25.5, no need to really crank down on heavy strings, but I know you love to fight it. I use .11 to .64 in B standard, my old teacher taught either Brent or Bill, he had about the same thing to say about him haha.
I am stuck in the 80's and extended range scares me. My channel needs to be big enough for a baritone guitar sponsor. This video was so out of tune...
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Dude I use BC Rich warlocks with a 24 and 5/8 scale, an 1/8th shorter than Gibson haha, just remember to get that bridge pulled back real far, I have owned 7's but I can't do more than 6 for the life of me. Gretsch has that affordable baritone from what people are saying, same with squier.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE fixed bridge guitars usually don't suffer at all from this. I use 0.11/0.60's in most of my guitars and they can handle the A mastodon tuning just fine. Some adjustments to intonation and there'll be no issue. Only times you should be worried when downtuning a non-baritone six strings are when you tune the whole thing to A standard or something. Intonation will probably be really fucked up. But just one string?? not that much of an issue with a heavy ass gauge :P at least in my experience
You are one of the chilliest dudes on youtube when it comes to guitar videos. Made my evening! :)
The early mastodon days is a stock Marshall 1960a cab. Bill Kelliher said he always uses two amps, a jcm800 2 channel 100 watt and whatever else.
Do you have a quote etc for that song/album?
@@CIRCLEOFTONE I’ve listened and read every Bill Kelliher interview I can find. Just listen to his interviews. There used to be a video of him walking the 3sigma audio guys through his home studio talking about the cabs they’re going to make impulse responses of. I can’t find it but it wouldn’t hurt to just grab those IRs. They’re killer.
The mastortion apparently wasn’t around that long and the guys weren’t thrilled with it because of how inconsistent they were. Brent said every one of them sounded different.
They used a Matt Bayles...
Saw them around Remission in a small venues. It sounded more like volume than tone, but yeah, they were carrying a ton of gear. I did get the impression that they really rock the tone knobs on the guitars.
send me my buddies are all pretty much metalheads for the most part we play music and stuff and we're really deep into our passions which involve a lot of our hobbies and likes as far as music as well which is a great thing for us. so we like a lot of bands talk a lot of music, there was a big chunk of time that has just recently kind of ended I guess you could say, where I could not stop talking about Mastodon and trying to put them into every conversation or at least explain what I get from them so fluently and vividly to the point that without necessarily even hearing a song from the band, my friends and audience members that I would chat their ear off but that they would become fans and they would understand what I'm saying and what I get from this band Mastodon. and so many times I mentioned how hilarious they were so it's funny that you mentioned that because even though the music is so deep and so heavy there is such a lively tone about it as well sometimes. like for instance they have a song where they say just close your eyes. and me and my friends were joking one time saying that we were convinced that they played that song at a concert one night or something gave it there all like they usually do and then after the show they're like hey did you catch me when I was trying to nod you over to that dude in the front? any other guy would be like oh the dude that was fucking closing his eyes? and they were just laugh because they have a song that says just close your eyes but when the dude at the concert the fan and the crowd actually closes his eyes on that part like they kind of laugh into like make fun of him with that he's a dork. because that's not like any kind of like brand new lyric by any means at all but it's not supposed to be it's cliche because it can be and it's fucking the best example no matter how New or Old they had the perfect and best example of that particular cliche and they do it all the time. I don't even know if this made sense I didn't use correct punctuation but anyway love Mastodon, great video homie keep up the good work with the channel
Any chance of doing a Korn's tone vídeo or Soundgarden's Superunknown guitar tone video? That Single Rectoverb at the back looks quite tempting for the task, specially blended with a JMP or Plexi of yours!. Great channel btw.
Thanks man. Would love to do those esp the Korn bass sound.
If you look close in the Mastodon March of the Fire ants video at 02:41 it appears one of the speaker in Brent's cab is an EVM12L, but it seems he mixed it with another speaker. I can find no clue about the other speaker though.
If you pin him down, he won't remember what hat he's wearing in real time. Legend speakers imo are perfect for close micing btw. Zeto ear fatigue from the midz.
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Doom chicken forever
can you make a video about the queensryche chris degarmo and micheal wilton gitar tone
Any chance you can do an Autopsy vid or the first few Death albums (Scream Bloody Gore/Leprosy)
i know the first 3 they used g12t75 on crack the sky they use a mix brend hind use old marshall with g12m 25 watt greenbacks and kehliher used jcm800 with g12t75
Every video should start with the March of The Fire Ants!
When you are right you are right.
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Marshall JMP and JCM800 boosted with a Ibanez TK999US for the first two albums.
What guitar is that?
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Massivity.
Agree Owen re the Gibson relationship w/Mastodon. Probably only partnership more 'famous' in metal/hard rock would be Slash?
Slash makes it funnier since he used a copy on apetitie for destruction
The biggest thing that I have noticed from all the bill Kelliher interviews is they blend amps. Marshall/orange/diezel, now Friedman over Marshall
think they mix a lot of speakers g12m greenback v30 and g12t75
Yeah they often have multiple rigs on latter apbums
Played with them at the time and they used a jcm 800 and a jmp2203. Lp, flying v and both used tubescreamers. One ts9 and one 808
I swear you can play that combo, not be good at guitar and still end up in a vag.
JMP's are my favorite of the 2203 line.
Biggest regret was selling my ‘76 JMP 2204 with matching slant cab when I went into the army back in 88… dumb, dumb, dumb
@@Bad_Phil I bet that thing sounded killer. Did you ever get another one?
Muff'd out bass in Drop A and a Marshall guitar tone will get you 80% of the way
IIRC, Bill used a JCM900 for the longest time live in the early days. Brent always seemed to have 4-hole master volume JMPs. Both used Gibsons, with some front-end boost. I had a Mastortion back in the day, big woolly sounding thing, not tight at all. I tried to ask Brent more info about the Mastortion and get him to sign it, and he was kind of a troll about it, and a bit of a jerk. I've met every other member of Mastodon and they were all very approachable and cool. But Brent put me off of listening to them for many years after that. Don't meet your heroes, and whatnot.
Love Mastodon and Brent, but I'm pretty sure there was a reason that guy from SOAD beat his ass.
Haha. I remember trying his sig pickups and they were dog shit. No way does he use half of the stuff he endorses etc.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Can confirm. I have the old signature V he did with epiphone, and while the guitar is really fun to play and looks cool, i hate the pickups.
you should do a tone video on Ratt's "Lay it down" I know glam metal gets shit on alot but that sound is tasty.
Good idea
Saw mastodon live a few months ago. They were pretty good. Gojira blew em away tho.
Two of the best drummers in metal
Was stoked o this video title but honestly there was tons of rambling with very little info on how "Mastodon sounds so huge".
You think gear matters? That's adorable.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE I think everything matters. The composition, the layering, the gear, the mixing, the mastering, how you pick/play etc.
@@mikedamisch the band performance is the only thing that matters. They sound huge because they are cavemen with brains. Producers are babysitters.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE ooookay. Why even make videos on the subject then? That would be true for every good band. I'll make sure to unsubscribe to your channel since you've now teached me everything I need to know about getting a huge sound 😂
the bass sounded great, but it’s less distortion and more fuzz. Big Muffs specifically.
Yeah I messed up because you can hear the bass. Haha
You cut them!! Hahaha
Best thing about Hinds was when Shavo cracked his fuckin' skull.
Mr. Tone
Give Squaler By Trash Talk a listen
Produced by some guy named Kenny beats
Mastodon still uses D tuning with a low A, frequently
Love Mastodon. Dirty B. Hinds is a fruit loop in the best possible way.
He's wandering in tone traffic as I type. Bill is an anchor. Like a lead plinth of punch.
But, can you get FUNKY with it?
The Welsh have a world class blues swing but funk isn't our strong point.
so that was just a pedal sales pitch
Wrong channel man. Just watch my content.
You cut the strings! : )
thick strings sound shite downtuned. bill uses 9-42 for drop A and it works fine and sounds great. thick strings always sound like bloated fuzzy garbage
There is no way he used 42's on that track. I could be wrong etc but that's nuts.
9-42 for drop A sounds nuts indeed, that shit would feel like ramen noodles or something. I remember being on 2 CB and trying to play guitar and it felt like that even though I was using 10-52 in drop C#
@@Juliankb39 check out his sweetwater interview - he mentions gauges there. its a matter of control really, I agree 42 for A is nuts. But you really don’t need something like 62 its overkill and leads to muddy sound (strong fundamental and not much highmid agressive overtones). I use 50 for A# in 26.5 baritone and it sounds like I always wanted and couldn’t get with 62 etc. no mud or excessive low end hitting the amp which tightens and focuses sound.
@@kimseniorb oh damn I didn't know about that interview, thanksfor the heads up. I'm not a great player and if I were using that gauge with that tuning it would sound like a bee hive at best
@@Juliankb39 just rewatched and I stand corrected - he is using 10-52 for all his tunings (drop C to drop A) Les paul scale length. so you can go 50 for 25.5-26.5 guitars which is what I do. good balance of tension and tone, favouring the latter. Lamb of god use 52 for drop C aswell btw