Was Lucius Really Going to KILL Harry in the Chamber of Secrets? - Harry Potter Theory

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  • "Avada..."
    This was what Lucius Malfoy began to utter upon the realization that he had just lost his House Elf servant, Dobby.
    Fortunately, he never got to complete what he was trying to say, and I suspect that if he HAD been able to complete the incantation of what we can only assume was meant to be ‘Avada Kedavra’, it would have had disastrous consequences.
    But why was Lucius Malfoy uttering Killing Curses outside of the Headmasters office in the halls of Hogwarts? What was going through his head? And more importantly- who was he trying to kill? Conventional wisdom would suggest that Lucius raised his wand to assassinate Harry, the insolent boy who had just lost him his house elf companion.
    But I’m not sure it was quite that simple.
    Today we’re going to be discussing all of that (and more) as we unpack Lucius Malfoy’s interaction with Harry & Dobby in the Chamber of Secrets.
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  • @HarryPotterTheory
    @HarryPotterTheory  4 місяці тому +5

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    • @HeatherNickless-vt8zr
      @HeatherNickless-vt8zr 4 місяці тому

      It sounded more like "Varda...." when Lucious aimed his wand at Harry, not Avada; it did look like he was aiming at him just before Dobby stepped in.

  • @Daddyoh94
    @Daddyoh94 4 місяці тому +121

    Lucius wildin. Its like pulling a gun on a 7th grader AT THE SCHOOL

  • @weswheel4834
    @weswheel4834 4 місяці тому +116

    Avada Soccus, the have-your-sock-back curse. It's a well-known curse where I'm from.

    • @nobodyuknow6337
      @nobodyuknow6337 4 місяці тому +2

      😂😂

    • @yspegel
      @yspegel 4 місяці тому +9

      Oh yeah, I've heard of that one! Nasty curse, if you don't return the sock before the next full moon you'll stink like a 2 month worn sock for the rest of your life. 🤣

    • @MephiticMiasma
      @MephiticMiasma 4 місяці тому +5

      I thought that was the one that guaranteed the dryer delivers one sock out of the pair for the rest of your life.

    • @kyliemoore9013
      @kyliemoore9013 4 місяці тому +9

      Funny thing is "Avada" means destroy and "Soccus" is slipper or shoe in latin. All this would do is destroy Harry's shoes😂.

    • @melonenlord2723
      @melonenlord2723 4 місяці тому +1

      I think the curse was Avada Nevada what teleports you to the Nevada dessert.

  • @saraross8396
    @saraross8396 4 місяці тому +31

    Isaacs was apparently somewhat dumbfounded when he learned what that particular phrase was meant to do. As he said, he wasn't exactly brushed up on the lore, and thus went with the first thing he thought of/only thing he knew. Quite hilarious, in my opinion.

    • @ratdude747
      @ratdude747 4 місяці тому +4

      But also on point... sometimes "goofs" become "genius improv"!

  • @MrJoshuaAM
    @MrJoshuaAM 4 місяці тому +76

    If the rule concerning giving clothes is so liberal I'm surprised Dobby wasn't freed the first time he had to do laundry for the Malfoys.

    • @MGower4465
      @MGower4465 4 місяці тому +18

      We know there are spells to clean stuff. Its probable the Malfoys used these spells to clean their clothes instead of a bucket, scrub board and drying line - wizarding houses are noted for not having electricity, and the Weasely house has knitting needles working themselves and a brush scrubbing a pan. So routine household tasks are done with magic.
      Even if Dobby casts the spells to do the cleaning, it does not follow he necessarily touched the clothes, and I can see Lucius, in particular, appalled at the very idea of such a "lesser creature" touching his clothing.

    • @bookmasterharry4432
      @bookmasterharry4432 4 місяці тому +5

      House Elves don’t do laundry.

    • @zephodb
      @zephodb 4 місяці тому +5

      @@bookmasterharry4432 Exactly, remember that Hermionie kept hiding socks and the like around Griffindor Tower to try and inadvertently free a few house elves, to the point that only Dobby was cleaning the tower.

    • @NoneofyourBusiness-iv6pi
      @NoneofyourBusiness-iv6pi 4 місяці тому +7

      have a designated hamper to put clothes and the elves remove them from there to clean....or orders to pick up discarded clothes to clean....just never hand a piece of clothing directly into the hands of an elf = simple

    • @zephodb
      @zephodb 4 місяці тому +7

      @@NoneofyourBusiness-iv6pi None of them will clean Gryffindor Tower any more, not with the hats and socks hidden everywhere, they finds them insulting, sir. Dobby does it all himself, sir, but Dobby does not mind, sir, for he always hopes to meet Harry Potter and tonight, sir, he has got his wish! -- Dobby, Goblet of Fire.

  • @Evoker23-lx8mb
    @Evoker23-lx8mb 4 місяці тому +21

    He started the curse after Dobby got in the way so I always assumed he was going for Dobby first. Then again Dobby would’ve had no reason to get in the way if Lucius hadn’t raised his wand. Maybe he was just so angry that he wanted to kill someone, not really caring who. Both Dobby and Harry could’ve been seen as easy, defenceless (all things considered) targets for killing. Not a wise decision on his part by any means but the Malfoys aren’t necessarily known for making good decisions when their power and egos are threatened. Plus he might’ve thought that while he failed Voldemort by indirectly getting a horcrux destroyed, killing Harry Potter could’ve made up for that failure.

  • @poleythepolarbear9706
    @poleythepolarbear9706 4 місяці тому +13

    I like the fact that is no concrete answer on who he was trying to kill. It is best left as a mystery.

    • @AlicesonHarvey
      @AlicesonHarvey 4 місяці тому +1

      I agree the mystery of who was being cursed here is better than any storyline reveal
      It could easily have been Harry or Dobby here and I think it:s always good writing ,when not everything is explained, so that the reader can use their own imagination to decide for themselves , who, what or why in any book, sometimes

  • @jkrause365
    @jkrause365 4 місяці тому +56

    Actually, in an interview I saw with Jason Isaacs, the line was improvised. He said the first thing that came to mind, just another way the movie differs from the book.

    • @sarahkwast1250
      @sarahkwast1250 4 місяці тому +3

      I was hoping someone would say this! It does make for some fun theories though. 😄

    • @NazmusLabs
      @NazmusLabs 4 місяці тому +5

      The video mentions that; you haven’t watched the thing
      May Allah (S.W.T.) guide you and bestow upon you His Blessings; Ameen.

    • @NazmusLabs
      @NazmusLabs 4 місяці тому +3

      @@sarahkwast1250 the video talked about that at the end
      May Allah (S.W.T.) bestow upon you His Blessings and Guidance; Ameen.

    • @jkrause365
      @jkrause365 4 місяці тому +3

      @@NazmusLabs Yeah, you're right. I guess I should have. Sorry 'bout that. May Allah (S. M. T.) also guide you and bestow upon you His Blessings, as well; Ameen.

    • @NazmusLabs
      @NazmusLabs 4 місяці тому +3

      @@jkrause365 ❤️ No need to apologize- it is mentioned at the very end of the video…many people probably want to watch the whole thing…so for those people your comment would probably the only way they would learn about this interesting fact.
      I didn’t know about this either… if I hadn’t watched the video your comment would’ve been the way out found out.
      my intention wasn’t to criticize your comment… I’m glad your comment exists because of the above reasons. I just want to give the original video Creator credit for having mentioned the fact as well.

  • @wilderwatz
    @wilderwatz 4 місяці тому +3

    The whole clothes-elf-relationship makes no sense whatsoever. Malfoy didn’t hand Dobby the sock, he threw it to the ground. If that counts, every elf can just grab something that has slipped down from a hanger or falls out of a bag. Worse still if Hermione‘s attempts of hiding clothes were valid (which seems so since the elves avoided coming to the common room as a reaction) all an elf would need to do was touch an item of clothing not being currently worn.

  • @YellowBear-kx1ff
    @YellowBear-kx1ff 4 місяці тому +32

    But IF Lucius killed Dobby, surely Dumbledore would’ve done something, right? Or Hermione? She was opposed to cruel treatment toward house-elves. If Lucius DID kill Dobby, and news of that reached Hermione, would she have started S.P.E.W as early as Prisoner of Azkaban?

    • @HarryPotterTheory
      @HarryPotterTheory  4 місяці тому +18

      I sure hope Dumbledore would have done something!

    • @amberbanuelos7053
      @amberbanuelos7053 4 місяці тому +13

      I almost guarantee that Dumbledore would have done something, he wasn’t going to tolerate murder of anyone on Hogwarts property.

    • @Ehrenhaider_Akainu
      @Ehrenhaider_Akainu 4 місяці тому +12

      Maybe Dumbledore wouldve introduced Lucius to the Firestorm spell lmao

    • @R3Dwyvern
      @R3Dwyvern 4 місяці тому +8

      I mean the killing curse is illegal so Dumbledore definitely would have stepped in

    • @Ehrenhaider_Akainu
      @Ehrenhaider_Akainu 4 місяці тому +8

      @@R3Dwyvern isnt it only illegal against humans tho?

  • @martychisnall
    @martychisnall 4 місяці тому +40

    Wouldn’t Harry have survived? All Lucius would have done is destroy the horcrux and then probably soiled himself when Harry just stood back up straight after.

    • @theradicalginger3060
      @theradicalginger3060 4 місяці тому +11

      Holy schnike you might be onto something there i mean idk if him accepting death and having the resurrection stone in DH2 plays into anything at all but you make a great point 😅

    • @MysticalJessica
      @MysticalJessica 4 місяці тому

      He wouldn't even had destroyed the horcrux! Only the venom of the basilisk could kill him! Harry was untouchable and no one knew!

    • @somewelshguy5388
      @somewelshguy5388 4 місяці тому +18

      Harry only survives in the forest because Voldemort has Harry's blood, anchoring Harry to life. In Chamber, Voldemort hasn't come back yet, so he'd have died to an Avada Kedavra.
      Still, Harry just shrugging off a killing curse and Lucius booking it in horror after unknowingly destroying one of Voldy's horcruxes is an utterly hilarious thought

    • @danielgodfrey4415
      @danielgodfrey4415 4 місяці тому +6

      The boy who is immune to the killing curse

    • @MysticalJessica
      @MysticalJessica 4 місяці тому +3

      ​@@somewelshguy5388 Harry survives in the forest because he is the owner of the three deathly hallows making him master of death. And also you don't need Voldemort to come back for the horcruxes to be indestructible, no one could kill harry because he is a horcrux like the snake. Conventional methods won't work. Only Basilisk venom and the sword of griffindor could kill him!

  • @BreadApologist
    @BreadApologist 4 місяці тому +13

    So I suppose my 3 favorite spells aren’t explicitly forbidden. So long as you don’t use them on anything “significant”. Since crouch jr (fake moody) didn’t get in trouble for using em on the spider in “Liquid containment vessel of exothermic reactions”. Thus I imagine if Lucious malfoy used the KC on dobby, he would at worst be told off, but not much more.

    • @NazmusLabs
      @NazmusLabs 4 місяці тому +3

      I mean, didn’t they use it against the spider and the fourth film?
      Definitely didn’t have any consequences

    • @BreadApologist
      @BreadApologist 4 місяці тому +2

      @@NazmusLabs ya, i literally said that in my comment

    • @NazmusLabs
      @NazmusLabs 4 місяці тому

      @@BreadApologist OMG yes you did! I don’t know how I missed that. Was probably too sleepy 😅
      my bad

  • @Ehrenhaider_Akainu
    @Ehrenhaider_Akainu 4 місяці тому +12

    Love your videos man, i always asked myself why the dursleys were so mad at Harry for going to Hogwarts, like they always wanted to keep him at their home but why??? If they hate him so much shouldnt they be happy that hes away for almost a year lmao

    • @HarryPotterTheory
      @HarryPotterTheory  4 місяці тому +3

      Thank-you! Great question, I'll make a video about it either here or over on the extra channel!

    • @Ehrenhaider_Akainu
      @Ehrenhaider_Akainu 4 місяці тому

      @@HarryPotterTheory thanks man🙏❤

    • @kasumisylveon
      @kasumisylveon 4 місяці тому +3

      i find it simple they dont like when hes happy. They want him miserable so hes easier to control.

    • @thatguywithanumbrella
      @thatguywithanumbrella 4 місяці тому

      This is actually pretty typical of abusive parents and evem partners. It's a sense of ownership, they've raised Harry, given him his necessities as far as they are concerned. Now they feel he owes them for it. It's also typical of bigotry. Some will throw out their kids if they find out they are gay. Others with try to hide any instance of gay people existing and if they find out the kid is gay anyway they will force them through conversion therapy. Bigots will first downplay the struggles and humanity of those they hate, then they hide their existence from their children, if their child is one of those class of people they will try to hide it or change it. If they cannot hide it or change it the will disown it. Final step is eradication of what they hate but most bigots don't have the power to reach this point.
      Tldr: the dursley's abused and isolated Harry in hopes of hiding and suppressing his magic, so that another wizard isn't added into the world and others know it came from them. It's magic and wizardry that they hate not Harry himself as an individual.

  • @newhybrid101
    @newhybrid101 4 місяці тому +4

    Dumbledore would have vaporized him and put his spirit in limbo💀

  • @magalisolovieff6061
    @magalisolovieff6061 4 місяці тому +2

    That scene was not prepared, and Jason Isaac(Lucius)just reminds avada kadavra.
    Improvisation,improvisation...❤

  • @rhueoflandorin
    @rhueoflandorin 4 місяці тому +2

    Lucius is evil, but he's not stupid. He would not have attacked Harry right outside Dumbledore's office...within the grounds of hogwarts. It seemed obvious to me that Lucius was going to murder Dobby. the unforgiveable curses "are so aptly named, because the use of any one of them against a fellow HUMAN will earn you a one-way ticket to azkaban." meaning....use of the 3 spells can be done legally if the target is non-human...which, dobby was. and a freed elf who knew lucius's evil deeds/history would NOT/could not have been let to live, in the mind of lucius. I think it quite plain that he was not going to allow his servant who knew all too much....to live

  • @stewartbugler
    @stewartbugler 4 місяці тому +4

    Ya know i actually always seen Dobby as a bit of a Death Eater at heart... his intentions in the movies at leaat are kinda a mystery. He would of been alot of help to Harry in his pursuit of Horcruxes but he's nowhere to be seen till near the and his end. It did make my wonder how much he knew... Lucius certainly knew the true nature of the book as a Horcrux otherwise why use it on Ginny Wesley to begin with. So it would maybe stand that Dobby also knew of the book. Dobby also was made to ensure Harry Didn't go to Hogwartz because he would be in great danger. The reveal that he belongs to the Malfoys means it was the Malfoys trying to protect Harry and perhaps the book. If Tom did revive that year he would be a young man everyone would remember the face off... Voldemort would of had a hard time rising to power from a state that never actually had support. And though there were others littered about the incident would of tiped the hand.
    So when it comes to Lucius attempting the killing curse its more or less unlikely to kill Harry if he was aiming at the piece of Voldemort inside Harry.

  • @yspegel
    @yspegel 4 місяці тому +1

    I think, to put the sock in the diary was the better idea. This way the sock was handed directly to Dobby. To use of the (partial) killing curse was obviously just to add some sensation to the movie and I think that's all to be said there

  • @laurendobinson5930
    @laurendobinson5930 4 місяці тому +6

    Brilliantly crafted video😃 thank you x

  • @nickrossi7941
    @nickrossi7941 4 місяці тому +1

    It’s funny because the actor talked about this scene, and he said he had just finished reading the books. So when they shot this scene when Harry freed Dobby, the actor was instructed to cast a spell at Harry. But the only spell he could remember at that time was the killing curse so that’s what he started to say lol. According to the actor, the script did not call for a specific spell, so he improvised it. Lol little fun fact of what actually happened and why that scene is the way it was 😊

  • @ancientking224
    @ancientking224 4 місяці тому +2

    Lucius is truly a D1 crashout, no wonder Draco was always ready to start something with Harry, if his dad so ready to kill Harry in literal Hogwarts in front of Dumbledore.

  • @futuresonex
    @futuresonex 4 місяці тому +1

    I think the answer is actually a bit simpler than that. Jason Isaacs forgot his lines, and "Avada Kedavra" was the first thing that came to mind. That being said, it would make a lot more sense for Lucius Malfoy to attempt to kill Dobby than to try to kill Harry. Killing Harry would be a one-way to Azkaban, forever, and that's assuming he even made it out of Hogwarts Castle alive. Dobby would likely have blasted him right out a window, and, unlike Voldemort, Malfoy can't fly without a broom! Not to mention all the teachers and staff and students and....

  • @meacadwell
    @meacadwell 4 місяці тому +1

    I had questioned this on my first watching the movie so many years ago. Glad to know I'm not the only one.

  • @grokeffer6226
    @grokeffer6226 4 місяці тому +2

    It would make a lot more sense for him to try to kill Dobby, though in the movie he seems like he's trying to kill Harry in a fit of passion.

  • @ginnyjollykidd
    @ginnyjollykidd 4 місяці тому +1

    The thing is, this didn't happen in the book. Lucius never shot any magic at Harry.
    Yes, in the movie it could have been the death of one or the other in the movie, and as he was sent head over heels, his spell was cut off. This showed how powerful elf magic is.

  • @darrelljohnston8676
    @darrelljohnston8676 4 місяці тому +2

    Oh he was after Harry but how would Voldemort feel about that. It all works out in the end.

  • @Clone683
    @Clone683 4 місяці тому +1

    Apparently Jason Issacs improved that line without know what Avada Kadava was

  • @MysticalJessica
    @MysticalJessica 4 місяці тому +2

    I agree that the movie exaggerated! I was shocked when I first realized what that spell was... But lets play along and say he was trying to kill... but that would most likely be Dobby because he could get away with that one! Anyways he couldn't kill Harry even if he wanted to, because he is a horcrux and only the Basilisk venom can kill him and at this point the sword too. Harry was immortal until Voldemort hit him with his Avada Kedavra. Even after that... By having the three deathly hallows he was master of death. Voldemort never stood a chance really!

  • @neonclouds9295
    @neonclouds9295 4 місяці тому +1

    6:47 in argument of this statement right here, When people act off emotions, it can easily overwrite their reasoning and intelligence. He could have given into his emotions at that moment and all his logic went out the window

  • @teddyhh9947
    @teddyhh9947 4 місяці тому +1

    Lucious shouting Avada in CoS makes no sense "yes i would like 1 eternity in Azkaban over a minor matter please".

  • @laurahudson8210
    @laurahudson8210 4 місяці тому +1

    Except, we know that Jason Isaacs forgot his line and said the first thing that came to mind. And then the director made the poor choice of leaving that in the movie. No deep intentions need to be found.

  • @GaryNac
    @GaryNac 4 місяці тому +1

    Part of it sort of seemed like Lucius could have possibly been bluffing and or saying that Harry was most likely going to be killed later in order to screw with Harry but still something like that should have had some fairly stiff consequences.

  • @Onyxheart4754
    @Onyxheart4754 4 місяці тому +4

    I thought that the actor that played Lucius Malfoy said that that was the first spell it came to mind so that's why he said this

    • @molly863
      @molly863 4 місяці тому

      He mentions this in the video!

  • @Rendous
    @Rendous 4 місяці тому +2

    I do see the film version of this scene as a misstep for the portrayal of Lucius Malfoy. As stated in the video, he is a clever schemer, and he wouldn't be stupid enough to try and kill Harry under these circumstances. Therefore, I do find it more likely that he would go for Dobby. The additional flair of the scene in the movie was obviously added for dramatic effect, and it doesn't quite convey the character of Lucius Malfoy accurately. While it does add a certain level of flair to the scene, it kind of misrepresents the kind of villain that Lucius is.

  • @CoffeeBrainzz
    @CoffeeBrainzz 4 місяці тому +2

    He definitely was. I always thought this was a kool Easter egg after you learn about the killing curses in Goblet Of Fire. It’s like knowing Wormtail is Scabbers in the first movie and why the color charm doesn’t work on the train 🤓

    • @KatTheArtist
      @KatTheArtist 2 місяці тому

      The color charm didn’t work on the train bc his brothers made it up to trick / toy with Ron. Lol. Spells don’t rhyme like that. But yes, to the rest.

  • @Dragondan1987
    @Dragondan1987 4 місяці тому +1

    I would of done it, not only did Harry free my slave that knows all my darkest secrets but he just destroyed an item a man who loves torturing people who fail him gave to me for his plot, which failed. Killing Harry might save a lot of hassle when Voldemort comes back to power if you killed his enemy.

  • @shanekoch1990
    @shanekoch1990 4 місяці тому

    Jason Isaac has addressed this scene in an interview. He stated that he forgot his line and went with the flow of the scene.

  • @eranshachar9954
    @eranshachar9954 4 місяці тому +1

    Even if Lucius aimed and successfully shot Harry it wouldn't have mattered. He would just destroy the accidental Horcrux inside of Harry, and he would freak the F out once he sees Harry is alive and well. I never thought of the possibility that he was aiming for Dobby but it make sense that he did (FU movie version of course). Either way he was about to cast something on Harry and Dobby stopped him before he can even speak.

  • @TurinInquisitor
    @TurinInquisitor 4 місяці тому +3

    yeah bro was boutta clap a student just outside of Dumbledore's office

    • @Ehrenhaider_Akainu
      @Ehrenhaider_Akainu 4 місяці тому +1

      Imagine Dumbledore coming out after hearing noises only to find Lucius and Harrys corpse before him lmao

  • @jukesy1992
    @jukesy1992 4 місяці тому +1

    Hi, I don't know if you've done this already as there's quite a lot to go through, but is there a video about the universal wizarding world timeline? How/why dumbledore allowed us muggles into Hogwarts, or how we've got access to Gringotts? I'd love to know your theories on how/where it split.

  • @MGower4465
    @MGower4465 4 місяці тому +1

    While you make much of how Lucius could be in trouble if he did cast the killing curse, he is very used to his money making things he doesn't like go away. And the Ministry would never take Dobby's word over Lucius's even if there were a trial. The area was otherwise empty. Znd they were likely not just outside Dumbledore's office as Harry needed time to remove his shoe and sock, put the shoe back on, stuff the diary into the sock (book) or sock into diary (movie) and then catch up. The confrontation couod have occurred some distance and several corners away from Dumbledore.
    But I do think that Lucius would likely have intended to slap Harry. The movies go to lemgths not to show the children struck by any person, even putting Ron atop a chess piece in the first movie's chess scene so the chess piece was hit and Ron just fell off, whereas in the book he was himself hit. So they needed something here to create a threat Dobby could respond to, but not be a punch or slap.

  • @jackmichaelpeter
    @jackmichaelpeter 4 місяці тому +1

    Also, Dobby will have known many secrets

  • @CZghost
    @CZghost 2 місяці тому

    The scene in film has an actual simple explanation. Isaac, actor who played Lucius Malfoy, was supposed to come up with some spell to retaliate, at least that was written in the script. However it wasn't specified which spell, and it was left entirely on the actor to improvise. And since Isaac has recently read Goblet of Fire before filming the scene, the killing curse was the first thing that came to his mind. And director just didn't mind, so they left it in. Yeah, it doesn't make sense for Lucius to use a killing curse right outside the headmaster's office.

  • @VoltZRR
    @VoltZRR 4 місяці тому +1

    Funny that it only was said because it’s the only spell he could think of 😂

  • @Rnerdy197
    @Rnerdy197 4 місяці тому +1

    Since it's in the movie and not the book I think there's really nothing more to it then the actor deciding to do it and no one said no to it

  • @ProfWollhoven
    @ProfWollhoven 4 місяці тому +1

    Sure, Lucius would be allowed to kill his house elf but using the killing curse would've still given him some real problems, wouldn't it?

  • @mogyir
    @mogyir 4 місяці тому +1

    Can you make a video about what if Doumbledore survive half blood prince eg he didnt get curse and not sacrafising himself

  • @Devlinator61116
    @Devlinator61116 4 місяці тому

    This is one scene where the film did it better. A sock inside a book, bookmark style, makes way more geometric sense than putting a book inside a sock. Unless, of course, Tom Riddle's diary is pocket-sized in the book version of Chamber of Secrets.

  • @rebeccaconlon9743
    @rebeccaconlon9743 4 місяці тому +1

    Lucius was trying to kill dobby to kill the secrets of his house

  • @isaacvincent8443
    @isaacvincent8443 Місяць тому

    I normally would agree with you, but honestly people in the highest ranks of power, when faced with a surge of indignation, rage, and their own sense of self worth and invincibility, can often end up doing something in the heat of the moment that they would never do while calm and collected.
    So yes it is out of character for him in most situations, but keep in mind he already hated Harry Potter... even before Harry twice in one day made a fool of him, humiliated him, and ruined his scheme.
    So in that moment, with no other human witnesses, he might just unleash his anger in such a fashion.
    Keep in mind that for more than a decade, Lucius Malfoy had been killing just about anyone he wanted to and those he saw as lesser than himself. So while he has been forced to hide that side of himself for a bit over a decade, that sense of anger and wanting to strike out at someone he sees as an enemy might just momentarily cloud his better judgment and sense of self preservation.
    Just saying its not impossible.

  • @jacobdrolet4262
    @jacobdrolet4262 4 місяці тому +1

    Amazing video and fantastic theory,great job.

  • @joejacobson8967
    @joejacobson8967 4 місяці тому +4

    Harry, being under his mother's protective charm, was safe from any curse Lucius could have thrown at him. He was the child who lived after all.

    • @jacegallagher8589
      @jacegallagher8589 4 місяці тому +4

      Not necessarily true. Her sacrifice was designed to protect Harry from Voldemort. Anyone else using the killing curse would have likely succeeded.

  • @Menagerie_OS
    @Menagerie_OS 2 місяці тому

    Hypothetically looking at it this way, it doesn't really seem like the smartest thing to do that as he would immediately be caught and arrested, but on the other hand, the simple fact that he raised his wand against him to begin with suggests he didn''t care about that anyway, while no we don't have any confirmation on whether he was going to or whether that was even the curse, we CAN say that from that action and from his disposition its a simple likely.

  • @jan-willemlammers7857
    @jan-willemlammers7857 4 місяці тому +1

    Wandlore question:
    Would Voldemort ban certain types of wands when he would have cone to power?
    It's common knowledge that unicorn hair cores are the hardest to convert to tge dark side and the dark magic done with it isn't as strong.
    Im not sure about woodtypes, lengths and flexibility but i can imagine that dear uncle Voldy would ban the woods, cores, lengths and flexibilties that have the greatest tendency to oppose him.

  • @richewilson6394
    @richewilson6394 4 місяці тому +2

    I always thought he said Potter instead of avada kedavra. Also the movie did a better job of it instead of the book as far as the sock.

  • @KatTheArtist
    @KatTheArtist 2 місяці тому

    @3:00 “Placing Tom riddles diary inside his sock”?
    @3:22 “Pulled off his slimy, filthy stock and stuffed the diary into it”
    ☹️
    He also didn’t take the sock out before giving the book to Dobby. A lot of this is out of sequential and chronological order. Not sure if it’s on purpose. He video is pretty interesting outside of this, though.

  • @kyletaylor4312
    @kyletaylor4312 4 місяці тому +1

    5:45 real start of the video.

  • @SpeakersIsGod
    @SpeakersIsGod 4 місяці тому

    He litterally said he spoke the first thing that came to mind and the director left it in lol.

  • @redhotty256
    @redhotty256 4 місяці тому +1

    Dobby also knew there family secrets

  • @brucehamm2072
    @brucehamm2072 2 місяці тому

    I always got the feeling that lucius doesn't have a good control on his temper i feel he can act rashley if angered enough so i think he would have used avada kedavra then realized after it was too late if doby hadn't stopped him harry may have died and lucius would have had to deal with dumbeldore

  • @VergilSDT
    @VergilSDT 4 місяці тому

    He had to have been targeting Dobby. The law against Unforgivables only applies to using them against other humans.

  • @stevenlewis711
    @stevenlewis711 4 місяці тому

    Harry was a Horcrux. From my understanding the only reason the killing curse worked on Harry when Voldemort did it was bc it was Voldemort's Horcrux. If only Voldemort can kill his own Horcrux unless basilisk venom is used, then the killing curse used by Lucius would not have worked. If no one could kill his other Horcrux with the killing curse including his pet snake, why would they be able to kill harry with it.

  • @Zoopster1
    @Zoopster1 4 місяці тому

    How was that encounter covered in the book? In the movie it was pretty clear he was trying to kill Harry, not Dobby. As a pureblood wizard he should already know that any spell he casts, even the Killing Curse, would have no effect on a House Elf, especially one that was not bound to him.

    • @dreadfulspiller8766
      @dreadfulspiller8766 4 місяці тому

      In the book he begins to lunge at him but is stopped by dobby. No mention of using his wand which wouldn't make sense and would just get him chucked in azkaban.

  • @bradley4706
    @bradley4706 4 місяці тому +1

    If you play subtitles on the film he doesn’t say avada, he says something different.
    I thought he was saying avada also.

    • @bradley4706
      @bradley4706 4 місяці тому

      Unless the subtitles are wrong of course

  • @mcdaddy69
    @mcdaddy69 3 місяці тому

    I heard some where he wasn't actually supposed to say that I'm pretty sure the guy that played lucious said that he wasn't meant to say that

  • @stuffingtonjfluffypantsiii
    @stuffingtonjfluffypantsiii 4 місяці тому

    I like to think Lucius was gonna kill Dobby because Dobby knew all the Malfoy family secrets. Granted I doubt anyone in the Ministry would believe a House Elf.

  • @Lucarius1
    @Lucarius1 4 місяці тому

    Ich glaube es macht tatsächlich mehr Sinn, das der Todesfluch an Dobby und nicht an Harry gerichtet werden sollte und Dobby aber fälschlicher Weise davon ausging, dass sein ehemaliger Master Harry meinte und sich deshalb dazwischen geworfen hat.

  • @wojito
    @wojito 2 місяці тому

    He was casting "Avada Servanta."

  • @sonofagun1037
    @sonofagun1037 28 днів тому

    An adult trying to harm a child with a curse right outside the headmasters office seems a short sighted thing to do regardless of the spell. You think Lucius walks away after cursing famous and beloved Harry Potter with anything even as mundane as the bat bogey hex? Especially after what harry had just done for the school. This is pre volds return so he is still likee by the ministry and the world at large

  • @-Gunnarsson-
    @-Gunnarsson- 4 місяці тому +1

    Alibaba Kadavra 😂

  • @OrangeHatReviews
    @OrangeHatReviews 4 місяці тому

    Watching the movie, the Captions say "Vera" not "Avada". Interesting theory, but I think he simply was going to curse Harry, not Kill him.

    • @larryroberts3598
      @larryroberts3598 4 місяці тому

      It came from Jason Issac's, he actually did say Avada....he had a brain fart and couldn't think of any spells. One of the crew popped that off and they went with it.

  • @melaniemayor6006
    @melaniemayor6006 4 місяці тому

    I think it may have been an improvised reaction from the actor and the director went through with it

  • @LyleFrancisDelp
    @LyleFrancisDelp 4 місяці тому +1

    Only in the movie...not in the book.

  • @anaconda526
    @anaconda526 4 місяці тому +1

    I have questioned this many times watching this movie over the years.
    like is he really gonna kill a kid on school grounds and just outside dumbledore's office? No way he's that stupid lol

  • @Someone_1994
    @Someone_1994 4 місяці тому +1

    this does make sense

  • @baraka490
    @baraka490 4 місяці тому +1

    I'm pretty sure he would have killed Harry and I doubt it would have been for the house elf it would have been for the whole plan failing everything his his master isn't around his master isn't around

  • @dmr14wizkid14
    @dmr14wizkid14 Місяць тому

    I think that he was trying to kill dobby because is like you said yes you said he is too smart and cunning to try to kill a child in broad daylight outside the headmasters office. I also think that it makes more sense for him to try to kill dobby because of the unfavorable treatment of magical creatures and laws surrounding them and also because Dobby kmew way too many things that Lucios would have preferred to keep hidden like dark artifacts and dark secrets about the family.

  • @Knowledge.to_Come
    @Knowledge.to_Come 4 місяці тому +1

    That would have ended the series pretty quick

  • @DameonHuber
    @DameonHuber 4 місяці тому

    He's also not foolish enough to kill the individual that the Dark Lord wants to kill himself.

  • @deserabailey8500
    @deserabailey8500 4 місяці тому

    brilliant!!! I agree it mustve been dobby not harry!

  • @georgewashington63
    @georgewashington63 4 місяці тому

    Its because he couldnt remember the incantation in the script so he said the first one he could think of

  • @ellistemlak6154
    @ellistemlak6154 4 місяці тому +1

    Great theory!

  • @PrecariousPorcupine
    @PrecariousPorcupine 4 місяці тому +1

    The US literally went to war with itself because people didn’t want to give up their slaves. I can totally see Lucius Malloy killing Harry over this (on top of Harry killing the Dark Lord). Js 😂

  • @nonameimpotantlive9233
    @nonameimpotantlive9233 3 місяці тому

    he just saw a Wasp and it had annoyed him for a bit

  • @banthatracks_gaffisticks
    @banthatracks_gaffisticks 4 місяці тому +1

    It's not just any kid. It's the boy who lived. Plus he was unsuccessful so the target is irrelevant.

  • @rimstieskorsakovs
    @rimstieskorsakovs 4 місяці тому +1

    i hate to be "that guy", but...
    i couldn't help but cringe every time he said "outside Dumbledore's office". the entire post-Chamber of Secrets scene (after Harry, Ron, Ginny, and Lockheart escaped the Chamber with Fawkes' help) happens in McGonagall's office, not Dumbledore's:
    ""Where now?” said Ron, with an anxious look at Ginny. Harry pointed.
    Fawkes was leading the way, glowing gold along the corridor. They strode after him, and moments later, found themselves outside Professor McGonagall’s office.
    Harry knocked and pushed the door open."
    (Chamber of Secrets, ch. 17 - The Heir of Slytherin)

  • @NoneofyourBusiness-iv6pi
    @NoneofyourBusiness-iv6pi 4 місяці тому +2

    Book version best

  • @danielhurst8863
    @danielhurst8863 4 місяці тому

    This does not make sense, because using the killing curse on anything is an unforgivable act. Killing Dobbie with the killing curse would be near the same punishment as killing Harry Potter.
    Lucius was a hot tempered idiot. While he was calculating and conniving, he was also impulsive and acted irrationally.
    In his anger, (in the movie), yes he at least thought about killing Harry Potter with the killing curse, but remember, his own master was destroyed by trying this, and I would suspect that Lucius's fear would overcome his anger, and it was in this moment of scared hesitation that Dobbie stepped in.

  • @arinerm1331
    @arinerm1331 4 місяці тому +1

    This scene is Exhibit A in the argument that the movies are **not** canon. In the book, it begins in Professor McGonagall's office, not the Headmaster's office. In this video, both versions of the placement of the sock are mentioned -- the diary inside the sock in the book, and the sock in the diary in the movie.
    I am willing to accept the movies as canon **if** the person arguing that will concede that Severus Snape was present for the murder of Lily Potter.

  • @boyar1978
    @boyar1978 4 місяці тому +1

    harry would not have been killed as he has the most powerful armor know to man and wizards alike. Plot Armor

  • @Rogue0DK
    @Rogue0DK 4 місяці тому +1

    Simply a small oversight in the movie. As this video correctly states near the end. Nothing to look into.

  • @xenolucifer4043
    @xenolucifer4043 4 місяці тому

    Still an unforgivable curse

  • @dawndylyon
    @dawndylyon 4 місяці тому

    I was also a victim of avada-nish which immediately gave me diabetes

  • @florianhettotto7151
    @florianhettotto7151 Місяць тому

    notice that lucius has a snake stick just like jafar! hmmmm.... theories? brothers???

  • @blsb78
    @blsb78 4 місяці тому +1

    Lucius would the kill from Voldemort

  • @AverageCanadianStinky
    @AverageCanadianStinky 4 місяці тому +1

    can't wait for N word Hermione to lead the house elves to emancipation in the new show.

  • @kyliemoore9013
    @kyliemoore9013 4 місяці тому

    Happy potter the boy who lived

  • @blazeblaze420
    @blazeblaze420 4 місяці тому

    Actually he improvised because he was new to the series and he wasn't familiar with any other spells one of the grips on set suggested avada kedavra
    Nice try

  • @Zeritye
    @Zeritye 4 місяці тому

    No need to construct elaborate theories, its just a testament to how bad the movie truly was.

  • @BradDiBenedetto
    @BradDiBenedetto 2 місяці тому

    The fact that this made it into the final movie is just another example of how truly terrible these movies are