"Owen Hart should be in every wrestling Hall of Fame there is because of his talent - because he belonged there, but he's not in the (WWE)Hall of Fame because his wife does not want him celebrated and glorified by the same company that took him away from her." -Jim Cornette
He is in every hall of fame besides wwe and I'm ok with that wwe hall 0f fame is make believe there isn't even a hallway Of fame it dont exists it's a a made up thing just to make money and martha refuses to let the company that killed her husband t0 Make money off his name and i dont blame her
"All I can say about Owen Hart is I hope I can be as good a man as him so I can see him again some day." I choke up every time I hear that line from JR
Did i hear you right? The guy who usually did the rigging was so concerned about how unsafe it was he was willing to drop his fee by $3,000 to make sure the stunt was done safely...and Vince still didnt listen?! Speechless. How anyone can say this isnt WWEs fault is beyond me! They were clearly negligent.
And won btw. So between the settlement they paid Martha, and that money they got from the rigging company and clip manufacturer, WWE may have profited.
As a kid I grew up watching "hulkamania" and when the Warrior won I mostly lost interest so didn't know Owen passed in the WWF. I thought he passed in WCW. Amazing the company still exists.
I loved the story Martha told about how Owen helped out a homeless man by letting him use his hotel room because he was checking out early. My heart goes out to Martha, Oje and Athena. Long live Owen Hart❤️
I know WWE is synonymous with wrestling. But the distinction needs to be made. Martha doesn't hate wrestling. SHE HATES WWE. And honestly when you know all the details, can you blame her?
@@outlawrip-offartist4161 Martha doesn't hate wrestling, she just hates what it did to Owen Hart and I can't blame her but to put the blame of his death on the WWE is fucked up because it was just an accident, they didn't do it on purpose.
@@lucasviana3441 Yes I agree that Owen Hart's death could've been avoided if the WWE was more careful with the stunt and found a guy who knew what they were doing, and as far as Vince continuing the show after that, I disagree with it being bullshit because they were already in the middle of the show when the accident happened, they didn't know Owen was going to die.
Martha made a great point that I really didn't consider: Kemper Arena could have been a crime scene. They didn't know definitively that nobody screwed with the harness.
Seeing jim conette struggling too hold it together reminded me of watching micheal schumacher desperately trying too hold it together when he was asked how it felt to tie ayrton senna's records for wins and then immediately dissolve into loud inconsolable sobs.
After listening to the audio documentary of Owen's last day, and watching the episode. I cannot blame Martha for refusing to allow the company enter him into the WWE Hall of Fame. The company showed extreme negligence and the fact this wasn't treated as a criminal case is a travesty. I totally agree with Jim Cornette when he said the show should have been canceled. I wished we would have heard from Bret on his perspective, but we know why he didn't participate.
I agree with Martha not wanting them to induct Owen. She also brought up a really good point that I personally appreciated. She basically called the validity of the entire WWE HOF into question. She talked about how there's no place/town/city to go to where you can actually see the Hall of Fame, like it is in sports or music. She made me really question how important the WWE HOF truly is.
My biggest takeaways. 1) The clip thing used to attach the harness to the wire was ridiculous. I am not an expert by any means, but that thing looked unsafe. 2) I'm a Jim Cornette guy. The only time I've ever heard him cry was the Lance Russell eulogy he did (the Memphis TV announcer who was instrumental in his early years, forgive me if the details aren't spot on). Seeing him cry about Owen really struck a nerve in me. 3) I never got Martha Hart not wanting WWE to have anything to do with Owen. This made that all make sense to me. I was, and still am, surprised at how my opinion changed when really hearing it from her side, Owen's kids' side and all the stuff they went through beyond the death itself. Obviously my original stance was somewhat onesided and ignorant but I didn't expect to have my eyes opened like that.
The whole max mini thing, people need to remember the big reason for max mini at the time was because austin powers in 1999, may bad must come out and mini me ws a big thing
Same thing for me. While I can’t help but still want Owen in the HOF, I completely understand and empathize with Martha and her kids over this situation. This made me view Martha in a SIGNIFICANTLY more positive light. With everything that happened, if Martha and her kids never allow Owen in the HOF due to what happened and what they were put through, I completely understand
While I respect Martha the kids are definitely conditioned to hate wrestling you can see it and you can tell Martha would of taught theme that from an early age Why don’t we have daddy? Wrestling. If a construction workers harness was faulty and plunged to his death his kids asked the mom why we don’t have daddy The mom shouldn’t say construction it’s the devil. It’s the riggers fault However I get the grief with Vince for continuing the show
There are a few takeaways I got from this episode 1.) Martha & her kids are some of the Strongest people ever to go through what they did & get through it, they deserve a lot of respect. 2.) I wish could've got some of the Hart Family's perspective on this episode just to get Martha's side & theirs. Also, I agree with a lot of what Martha says but what I don't really agree with is that it kinda feels like she's keeping Owen away from his own family. 3.) Owen not being in the Hall Of Fame is justified & of course I'd love for it to happen but I can accept that he'll never go in. Especially since her thing with WWE is "Everyone but you"
I heard the Jericho interview and to be honest for Owen to even have a shirt and still be honored is good enough for me. WWE did not take care of Owen so I can understand Martha and why she did what she did. Owen seemed like a cool dude I wish I got to meet.
Not worried about the blood I heard that from solomonster but the fact they continued the show and of course the fact they thought the blue blazer was entertaining to a attitude era crowd is what bothered me
@@mattjones2635 it was a horrible accident but it never should've happened. Martha and her kids have every right to be angry. A girl grew up without her dad and has a minimal amount of memories of her father. A boy grew up without his father and yes,he's lucky to have memories but think about all the things that he missed out on due to the irresponsiblity the WWE displayed when it came to ensuring the safety of a performer! He never got to see his children off to their first days of school,he never got to see his children graduate,he will never get see the people they will marry,nor his own grandchildren. Does the fact the documentary may have been scewed towars Martha and her children really mean anything in the face of the fact that the WWE screwed up? Forget the fake blood,we know what caused that but a man is still dead,a woman still lost her husband and children lost their father. That's what truly matters.
34:00 I agree. Owen was pretty much murdered after watching the documentary. The clip was not designed to attach the harness and everyone knew it. If I was at the show I would have left and demanded a refund. The other spectators should have done the same.
Anyone ever noticed the guy in the yellow hat behind Jim Ross and the look on his face as JR announcing Owens death? He definitely saw Owen fall 😢🤦🏻♂️....Also If you see Undertaker’s face during his entrance, his eyes were watering and were puffy
Paul Bearer talked about going to the ring with taker that night and having to keep telling himself not to look up because he didn't want to see where owen fell from.
He probably was confused as to why happened or thought it was a storyline at first, the look on his face is the realization that he just seen a man (he was probably a fan of) fall to his death at an event that’s meant to be the funnest event in life absolutely insane
Martha going to New Japan to honor Owen would be a pretty cool sight to see. Maybe they could design a new Junior's belt and have her present it to the winner of a tournament in his honor.
@@celticbird2398 Solomonster's review was longer than the actual episode. He gave us info that wasn't brought out in the Vice documentary. I'd rather listen to his reviews than the actual episode.
"We've only heard Martha's side of the story here." Truth be told we've primarily gotten the wrestling/WWE/fans side of this story for the better part of 20 years. Just a thought....
@@Jaycy845 I do believe that a WWE lawyer spun it as, "This greedy woman is just trying to beat up a company that her husband loved, don't believe her lies."
@@juansanchez209 They did approach Bret, and we can only assume they tried approaching the rest of the Harts. We've heard Bret's side(again along with the wrestling community/WWE/fans, etc.) on other occasions for years.
@@J-S.P I'm willing to bet that if the episode was a hit piece on Martha about how she is erasing Owen from history, Bret would have been excited to have been involved, but because it was a more sympathetic view, he refused to do it.
Great episode And I don't blame Martha for not allowing wwe to put owen in the Hall of fame in her mind they killed her husband they would have had to fire me I wouldn't have done that Stunt
39:55 I remember that segment. LOVED the segment but yeah, it really shouldn't have been part of an angle at all. I also agree that Russo wasn't the only one who murdered Owen. Owen was murdered by a group of incompetents, not JUST Russo.
Me and my brother watched the documentary together. He used to sell clips like that and from what he told me while watching, the clip used on Owen is designed strictly to unload with no safety attached. Whether it's cargo from a truck, or as Martha said in the documentary to unlock a sail on a sailboat. Basically it was the worst type of clip they could've used. He was actually shocked when Martha pulled out the clip and saw what it looked like.
I had a conversation with someone about this on another video. They said fans treat Martha the way they do because she is going against Owen's wishes not allowing him in the wwe hof. My point was I'm pretty sure owen wouldnt want fans treating his wife like crap so now who is going against his wishes?
I don't get why people are having an issue about Owen Hart not being in the WWE Hall of Fame (which by the way is just a joke - people like Drew Carrey being in it is enough proof). I respect Martha's wishes and quite frankly, Owen is just as beloved as ever even without the "honor" of being in WWE's HoF.
Vince wanted Owen to use a easier snap hook so Owen can get out of it faster and it looks better 🤦♀️ smh. God forbid Vince ever becomes a stunt coordinator in movies
They could have had the camera cut away when Owen was releasing himself, since they care more about the audience at home anyway. What a scumbag company.
Owen should've get himself fired, instead of showing up to rehearse the stunt. If Owen gets fired, he can work at WCW where they can pay him big money, and be with his brother, Bret. Owen can still support his family, and pay off his dream house.
@@nwo2cool Here's the problem. If he let himself get fired, WWE would have put in a no compete claus (no WCW for some time), & or sued him for breach of contract. He had just finished building his own dream house he designed with Martha & needed as much money as he could get so he could live peacefully. He wanted to be the one to support his family, so he didn't want to sponge off of his parents to pay for everything.
I do not understand the autism of praising a company for killing a man and demonizing the wife and children for being angry over his death and refusing to let the same company monetize his murder, I just don't get it
It should be noted that Owen Hart was in the Legends of Wrestling video game series. Considering that she owns the likeness to Owen, it's very clear she's willing to do business with wrestling as long as WWE has nothing to do with it.
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion of how they feel owen hart should be allowed to be recognized in wwe, but the facts are that a wife lost her husband, children lost their father, and a family lost a brother and son. Regardless of how the fans feel it was a tragic accident that should have never happened.
As usual, excellent job., especially nailing the troll comments on Owen’s wife and kids. I have been a wrestling fan for over thirty years, don’t watch the current product as much as I did in the late 80’s-early 00’s but I always respected the business even when it was at its lowest. The “fans” that can’t see anything beyond their keyboard and insist on making real life issues all about them are some of the worst people breathing. Owen’s wife has every right to feel like she does, as do her children. Keep up the great work, Solomonster.
There's an awesome charity in Owen Hart's name. That's a better legacy than a post-humous WWEHOF induction could ever hope to be. I neither want nor need a "Best Of" video series, either.
I thought it was very good for a one-hour doc (could have been a two-hour and should have been) and the reason it was so good was because of the participation of Martha and the kids. I never heard their side of the story before and only had a less-than-flattering picture of Martha in my mind that had been painted by other people (the Harts, among others). I figured there had to be more to her than that, but I had never heard such until now. It was great to hear them talk and to see that they had been able to move on and do as well as they have. Combined with this Solomonster show, there were a lot of details I didn't know about the story and hearing them doesn't make my opinion of WWE, Vince and family, and even Bret (who was my favourite wrestler growing up) any better. The wrestling industry can be a real cesspool and I'm glad Owen's family has risen above it.
After watching the documentary I have to say Vince Mcmahon has got alot to answer for for Owen's death. I did not like the way he conducted himself during that press conference, I don't know there was alot of shady shit going on
I'd like to see Jerry McDevitt speak publicly about how that sail boat clip was a genius idea & completely appropriate to use. I'd like to see HIM use a clip like that to descend from the ceiling of an arena. This low life has been playing the victim card for WWE for 20 years. He makes McMahon look like a saint. I recall reading an article that quoted him bragging about not losing a case except for losing to "those tree huggers." Obviously referring to the World Wildlife Fund. They had a deal with McMahon, but he decided to be arrogant, which is what led to them suing & causing the name change. What the WWF do in rescuing abused animals is amazing. To dismiss them as just tree huggers is saying animal cruelty is acceptable. And bragging about "beating" the widow of a guy you killed is nothing to be proud of. Jerry McDevitt is evil.
Marthia allowed Owen to be in Legends of Wrestling 2 & 3, she does not have a problem with wrestling. She has a problem with WWE. I you are a fan of Owen you would respect his family's wishes.
Anyone ever listen to ppvs like a radio back then? The PPVs were always image scrambled but you could still hear it. The play by play commentary was much better then too.
I think we needed to hear from the rest of the Hart family to get a more accurate retelling of the ensuing drama after Owen’s death. With all due respect to Martha, it’s hard to deny that she would have a biased perspective of those events and the lawsuit. Again, that’s not an indictment on Martha, it’s just human nature to be biased, am especially in situations like this. But I don’t care who it is, I don’t feel comfortable taking one person’s word as gospel.
We must remember this tragedy not only caused unrepairable damage to the entire Hart family but it caused a split.I understand personally how this could happen as this happened to my own family.If this was to be retold in a public form I wouldn't want to talk about either so I could understand Bret or any of the Hart family not speaking.
She had mentioned, that the family was against her during the lawsuit which did not make any sense. Considering every one was basically with WCW at the time so no one had any allegiance to WWE. The blood in the ring was not his blood, so that was also sensationalized.
They were asked to be on the show but they never answered back. Solomonster even mentions that in this very clip. Plus we've heard the other sides of this before, this was one of the few times we've heard Martha's side of things.
It's all corroborated by sworn testimony from the lawsuit. Grew up a hitman fan, but the Austin line of adding an 's' to the front is spot on. Martha didn't say which Hart stooged on her, shocked to hear from Jason it was Bret's sister (Neidharts wife and Natty's mom), who I only ever saw as that dolt on those episodes of Total Divas (embarrassed I watched).
I used to be one of the ones who wanted Owen in the WWE HOF, but after watching this episode and hearing Martha's side as we'll as Owen's kids side of it I can understand their point of view. Like it was said in the episode they are honoring his legacy far more than WWE can. Ask yourself this, what would Owen have wanted? Would his loyalties lie with a company that made the decision to continue the show or would they like with his wife and children? And to those giving Martha hateful online comments do you really think Owen would appreciate that? You have absolutely no respect for the man or his legacy.
I watched Darkside of the ring and was on the edge of my seat but this breakdown makes it really sad and very distinctive. I can't lie WWE should give you a job because you speak like a person that can relate to today & the 80's without sounding like Michael Cole. Idk if you could call a wrestling match but you could be a voice of a documentary.
A man died because someone thought the stunt would look better on TV with a quick release clip... A stupid stunt that wouldn’t have taken away from the show if they had axed it.
It was the perfect opener, though. It got the highest ratings and helped gain more notoriety for the series. From a narrative standpoint, I agree with you.
They sequenced it right. People wanted to learn about the Benoit story and then forget it. I haven't heard of another CTE athlete doing what Benoit did, most of the others just took their own lives. Everyone loved Owen in life AND death. They should've made Owens a 2 parter, Jason is right.
I remember getting trolled on limewire back in the day trying to download the footage of the fall, but it was Vic Grimes lol....rip Owen, this episode made me sad and mad at the same time
Maybe I'm reading too much into this but after hearing about the the treatment of the fan that was chilling with Owen in Kansas City before the ppv, I'm getting the impression that Vince and Co. had some petty heat with Owen. As I see it that vindictive pettiness along with some incompetence & negligence led to a man's death. Again maybe I'm reading too much into it.
Great video solomonster. I was looking forward to hearing your thoughts on this Owen Hart episode. This was such a tragedy that should not have happened.
great rant at the end man and video overall (I swear those are the kinds of people that make me ashamed to be a wrestling fan and I'm one of the biggest you'll ever meet)
I don't blame martha for not wanting to have anything to do with wwe after owen death but I'm glad that owen legacy is being honored by aew. Hats off to Tony khan for reaching out to martha
They're actually showing an extended version of the Owen Heart episode this week on Vice, it may shed more light on the details they didn't cover like Owen being a prankster.
Jerry Lawler stayed in the ring with the EMTS the entire time trying to save Owen. When The King came back to the announce desk to continue the announcing duties his face said it all. He knew Owen had died.
@@M0wi11_89 So its her fault she feels how she feels from her husband dying, and its her fault the Hart Family took documents to help WWE's side in the case?
@@M0wi11_89 Um, they are grown adults now. In other interviews, Martha has encouraged them to be kind & polite if they see other Harts. I don't know about Athena, but I know for a fact Oje is in touch with them on social media as I've seen Natalya comment on his instagram posts.
I was six days old when Owen died, and looking at Jerry Lawler‘s face reminded me of the raw where Jerry Lawler had a heart attack on camera, and that’s the closest my generations had to the Owen situation, and Jerry didn’t die thankfully, but there is some creepy coincidence to Owen on that raw, and I remember these facts that raw was in Canada. To the fact that the heart attack happened to Jerry Lawler. One of the first responders. To Bret of all people bring in the main event segment. To the fact that no one except Michael Cole didn’t stop doing their part of the show, and I will always have respect for Michael Cole for doing that, and after everything that happened. It’s a feeling that I never want to have watching wrestling, or in my life again, but I know what that feeling feels like, and I could never forget it, and have a nice day.
I remember that PPV very vividly. I was 14 and a friend of the family got us a black box to watch fights and this PPV on that day. I remember sitting in my family room, by myself, and notice something was up when the incident happen. I was confused until JR mention that this was not part of the show. I grew weary while watching until JR announced his death. The looks on his and King's face brought me to tears. I loved Owen as a wrestler and still is one of my favorites as a kid. Once that happen I immediately turned off the PPV. It was great to watch this special and got the family to talk about it. Sucks that this put a wedge in the families relationship.
I JUST HEARD A INTERVIEW WITH JIM ROSS AND STING ..WHEN STING HEARD OF OWEN DEATH HE CALL BRET AND TOLD HIM IM NOT GONNA DO THE STUNT ANY MORE IM JUST NOT BUT BRET SAID STING IT OK IT APART OF YOUR CHARACTER KEEP DOING IT
I remember I had that black box with free ppv lol I was a kid watching it at home and remember asking my dad what happened to Owen and he wouldn’t tell me until JR said it
I enjoyed the episode and solomonster's commentary. I get baffled when some online posters say things like "Martha has no say on whether Owen should be in the fall of fame, the direction of his legacy, etc etc. Bret is his brother, he knew him longer, he and his family have the last word." I get that they were brothers and were very close but in my opinion Martha has the final say, case closed. Who was the woman he had two kids with? Who was with him during the lean years when his wrestling career was getting off the ground? Who was taking care of the kids 250 days of the year when Owen was on the road (I don't deny Owen was a great Father but it's tough to be a Dad when your working away for so long). In my view, Martha has the right to all that. If she and her kids don't want Owen in the hall of fame, I respect that.
That episode hit me hard. Owen was with Oje and Owen says "Merry Chrismas Oje! Oje says "Merry Christmas Dad"! back to him. Those six words brought a lot of emotions in me. I did tear up and I'm not afraid to admit it. After watching the documentary, I understand now why Martha, and her kids want nothing to do with WWE. A chill went up my spine when Martha showed the harness clip that was used in the stunt, the clip was used for sailboats. She said "this is what was holding him". A thing that only took six pounds of pressure too open. This was some shocking new evidence to learn that I did not know about before. I was at a loss for words when I heard that. Solomonter was right when he said "if Owen had the same entrance like every other wrestler had on the card that night, this never would have happened. I feel bad for Owen's kids because they don't get to have anymore memories of him, but I know if he were alive today, he would be very proud of them.
Since Mark Henry supports WWE's negligence, I'd like to see him open that clip & ask him if he'd be okay if Vince McMahon wanted to suspend him from the ceiling with that clip.
No idea y I've been recently listening/watching all things Owen and his senseless, tragic death but I'm almost 38yrs old and 2 events still stick in my mind. Meetin Owen backstage in hartford when I was 11-12yrs old(took his time to talk to me, shake my hand and signed a autograph for me, even tho he was kinda playin a heel on tv). Then unfortunately watchin the ppv with my aunt when he passed. Aunt thought it was a work til the AM news. So tragic and unfortunate and avoidable. RIP Owen
No I think Owen would've been exactly where he was before his death because keep in mind he was scheduled to win the Intercontinental Championship from The Godfather the night he died at Over The Edge. The mid card is as far as he would've gotten because around that time Stone Cold, The Rock and The Undertaker were the bigger names at the time when Owen died. He unfortunately ended up becoming more popular due to the tragedy.
Dustin Nunn He gave the OK to Vince Russo's idea for Owen Hart to be up there, he wanted a quick release despite being told several times it was unsafe, and he hired the wrong people to propel Owen Hart.
@@jerelminter I think with the amount of talent that was coming in after he died, his popularity may have sky rocketed to the point he may have gotten a championship run, but not in 2000.
Something that hit me was during Undertakers entrance that night you can see how shaken Mark was and at one point the camera cut away from him because he was staring at the corner where Owen landed.
Thank you for telling those idiots off. A true fan would respect the wishes of Martha and her children but instead they insult her and call her selfish. Shame on all of them. Also the WWE HOF is not a real HOF. It is just a big spectacle to make more money for Vince. Owen will never be forgotten. He lives on through his family and his matches. He does not need a stupid WWE HOF induction. Last year, I vowed never to watch any WWE shows after Crown jewel. But the events of this year has only reinforced that vow. From the Owen tragedy to black Wednesday last month, WWE has proved that it is the most toxic and selfish company in the world. When I watched the reaction Vince gave that reporter, I could not believe the gall from Vince. He was out of order. As for Bret, while he obviously loves his brother, he was obviously thinking about himself when he helped Marth because he wanted all those videos of his matches. I know you are a fan Solomonster but you have to admit, Bret was selfish. Owen Hart was a great wrestler and a great father and watching him interact with his children was heartbreaking.
I watched that pay per view when I was a kid, and when I heard JR's announcement I was in shock but it didn't really process with me, I know Austin vs Undertaker was the main event but I don't remember that match or anything before it, it was just Owen. Then the next night Raw is Owen is when it finally sunk in and I was in tears with all the wrestlers. All these years later watching Dark Side I teared up again.
Dark side of the ring has been great! It's a shame that it didn't come along sooner, but Vice has knocked it out of the park so far! Props to Jerico also!
Every good man deserves a wife like Martha Hart. Such a sad and tragic event, remember it like it was yesterday. The fact that the Harts tried to help the WWE in their lawsuit when they were negligent in the death of their flipping brother/son speaks volumes. Still, Martha fought for her husbands legacy, and may God continue to bless her and those 2 grown children. Shame on the WWE and shame on the Hart family
The WWE Hall of Fame is a complete joke. Guys like Savage should have been inducted when Hogan, Skeiky Baby & Piper got their moment. I wouldn't even care if they decided not to induct The Rock for example. I'm glad she roasted their garbage.
I really had to mentally set myself up to watch this episode. I would have liked to see Bret in the docu, but sounds like that was down to him. I would also have liked to hear Vince Russo once again try to defend this. This is probably only time I've ever seen Jim Cornette tear up as he did. It makes it easier to understand the intensity of his hate for Russo. Such a unnecessery tragedy.
For the record........I also had a black arm ban, marked O H with a whiteout pen, and I wore it for several days to school after. Looking back on it, I felt weird about it being that I never understand how people can grieve over celebs they never knew. But there was something about that guy, and the time I met him in 97........
According to Bruce Pritchard on something to wrestle with,they wanted to go with Owen being the black heart and have a feud with Shawn but they felt like undertaker vs Shawn was more of an attraction,
I’m a huge Bret mark and someone who felt for years that Martha was disrespecting Owen and his legacy. I know she’ll never see this but I would like to apologize to Martha Hart for thinking so negatively about her. She is clearly an amazingly strong woman and seeing her and her children on DSOTR was heartbreaking.
I have to wonder what the specifics of Owen's contract would have been. If Vince told Owen he had to show up for the rehearsal or be fired, one would think that was Owen's opportunity to get out of his contract and leave to join Bret and the others in WCW. I'm sure there would have been the standard no-compete clause that would have forced him to stay at home for a short amount of time, but I find it hard to believe that, given the sort of money WCW was throwing around those days (especially when you think about what Bret was offered), WCW and Bischoff probably wouldn't have compensated Owen under the circumstances. Yeah, Bret was a bigger name and WCW probably wouldn't have done anything with Owen, but at least he might still be alive and maybe it could have resulted in Bret having more to do as well with either a reformation of The Hart Foundation to either feud with Hogan and The NWO or against The Four Horsemen or, if you wanted to go that route, have Bret rekindle his feud with Owen, with the story being Owen is angry with Bret for leaving him behind in WWE to be screwed by Vince. You could even have Owen "reboot" his own "You're selfish" promos from when he first turned on Bret in the 90s and have Owen use it in the context that Bret cared more about the money than his family.
I use to be so selfishly upset with Martha for hiding Owen. After seeing that episode. I don't blame her at all and I respect her decision and reasoning. It doesn't matter what we wish or want whatever would make that family more at peace is what it should be.
I am one of the biggest Bret Hart fans there is (was and ever will be), but I will agree that him going for his footage as part of a settlement seems to have been the wrong time and place. I think Bret needs to realize that Owen - unlike himself - did not live for his 'legacy'. He could care less if he were inducted into the WWE HoF. He should only go in if Oje and Athena asks for it. His legacy is not 'our' - it is theirs.
When Owen died, NOBODY cared about WWE's Hall of Fame. The internet was in its infancy & they didn't do the phony ceremonies like they do now. So I don't think Owen would have wanted to be remembered on some pathetic internet page being exploited for profit by the company that put him in that situation while his wife & children had to live with the long term consequences of WWE's arrogance & negligence. Bret Hart never bothered to show up for the Lou Thesz induction for Owen in 2018 either.
I remember an interview with vince on off the record not long after the death of owen that he talked about the discussion he had with bret at the funeral and the only thing bret was talking about is about his footage so back then i thought it was bs to what vince was saying and now with this episode that was in fact true that he was going along with the lawsuit for his footage not really for justice. The behavior of owen's family is pretty discusting going againts his widow if its all true.
Late reply but in a very early shoot interview (I saw it on youtube but I'm not sure if it uploaded anymore), Bret gave his side of the story about that meeting (it was in a park in Calgary). Martha's lawyers told Bret to NOT talk about the lawsuit when speaking to McMahon, because McMahon could of been wired for sound. Vince even had police stationed around the park because he feared that Bret would try to murder him at that meeting. Bret said that he told Vince something along the lines of "look, I'll be straight, we both know a lawsuit is probably coming, and I assume you don't know anything more than what you read in the papers. I was asked not to say anything more about that, so let's not go there." And Vince agreed.
@@billymarino4452 Yes, that is true, but in all fairness, Bret is a complete narcissist that likes to talk about how great he is 24/7, so I can see why McMahon thought that.
"Owen Hart should be in every wrestling Hall of Fame there is because of his talent - because he belonged there, but he's not in the (WWE)Hall of Fame because his wife does not want him celebrated and glorified by the same company that took him away from her."
-Jim Cornette
He is in every hall of fame besides wwe and I'm ok with that wwe hall 0f fame is make believe there isn't even a hallway Of fame it dont exists it's a a made up thing just to make money and martha refuses to let the company that killed her husband t0 Make money off his name and i dont blame her
The WWE Hall of Fame is more like an award show, like the Oscars, etc.
@Jeff Pryce Would you feel differently if it was a place?
One of the truest statements ever.
@@BrokenInside365 yes and they give awards to mediocre names (SOME)
"All I can say about Owen Hart is I hope I can be as good a man as him so I can see him again some day."
I choke up every time I hear that line from JR
Did i hear you right? The guy who usually did the rigging was so concerned about how unsafe it was he was willing to drop his fee by $3,000 to make sure the stunt was done safely...and Vince still didnt listen?! Speechless. How anyone can say this isnt WWEs fault is beyond me! They were clearly negligent.
Yet the wwe later sued the manufacturer of the clip for $9 million
And won btw. So between the settlement they paid Martha, and that money they got from the rigging company and clip manufacturer, WWE may have profited.
As a kid I grew up watching "hulkamania" and when the Warrior won I mostly lost interest so didn't know Owen passed in the WWF. I thought he passed in WCW. Amazing the company still exists.
@😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊joker12341
To use Corny's quote "Not cancelling the rest of the show was bullshit"... utterly ridiculous it wasn't cancelled.
I think Vince’s thinking was that he didn’t want a riot to happen because of his accidental death
A riot? The fans would have been too shocked to riot.
Bret Hart said it best in the Jim Rome Show on Fox "If Stephanie and Shane died in the ring, Vince would've cancelled the show."
Tayo Jones That’s debatable we’re talking about attitude era fans not the sensitive crybaby’s nowadays
Carlos Inda no he wouldn’t have
I loved the story Martha told about how Owen helped out a homeless man by letting him use his hotel room because he was checking out early. My heart goes out to Martha, Oje and Athena.
Long live Owen Hart❤️
I know WWE is synonymous with wrestling. But the distinction needs to be made. Martha doesn't hate wrestling. SHE HATES WWE. And honestly when you know all the details, can you blame her?
I know what you’re trying to say, but WWE are wrestling to most people. So Martha hates wrestling.
@@outlawrip-offartist4161 Martha doesn't hate wrestling, she just hates what it did to Owen Hart and I can't blame her but to put the blame of his death on the WWE is fucked up because it was just an accident, they didn't do it on purpose.
@@jerelminter but could be avoid and Vince continuing the show after that was bullshit
@@lucasviana3441 Yes I agree that Owen Hart's death could've been avoided if the WWE was more careful with the stunt and found a guy who knew what they were doing, and as far as Vince continuing the show after that, I disagree with it being bullshit because they were already in the middle of the show when the accident happened, they didn't know Owen was going to die.
@@jerelminter I agree.
Martha made a great point that I really didn't consider:
Kemper Arena could have been a crime scene. They didn't know definitively that nobody screwed with the harness.
Seeing Jim Cornette tearing up was what hit me the hardest. Goes to show how much Owen meant to people, and how badly his death still affects them
Seeing jim conette struggling too hold it together reminded me of watching micheal schumacher desperately trying too hold it together when he was asked how it felt to tie ayrton senna's records for wins and then immediately dissolve into loud inconsolable sobs.
After listening to the audio documentary of Owen's last day, and watching the episode. I cannot blame Martha for refusing to allow the company enter him into the WWE Hall of Fame. The company showed extreme negligence and the fact this wasn't treated as a criminal case is a travesty. I totally agree with Jim Cornette when he said the show should have been canceled.
I wished we would have heard from Bret on his perspective, but we know why he didn't participate.
Martha wouldn’t allow it. I would’ve liked to have heard Bret as well, but we have to respect Martha’s wishes.
Such a biased documentary pretty pathetic to be honest the blood wasn’t even Owens so she said it was his to make it look worse than it already was
I agree with Martha not wanting them to induct Owen. She also brought up a really good point that I personally appreciated. She basically called the validity of the entire WWE HOF into question. She talked about how there's no place/town/city to go to where you can actually see the Hall of Fame, like it is in sports or music. She made me really question how important the WWE HOF truly is.
@@michealrobinson1994 but there was a dent in the ring which is still pretty fucked
@@michealrobinson1994 as opposed to the better part of the last 20 years of getting the wrestling/WWE/fans side of the story?
My biggest takeaways.
1) The clip thing used to attach the harness to the wire was ridiculous. I am not an expert by any means, but that thing looked unsafe.
2) I'm a Jim Cornette guy. The only time I've ever heard him cry was the Lance Russell eulogy he did (the Memphis TV announcer who was instrumental in his early years, forgive me if the details aren't spot on). Seeing him cry about Owen really struck a nerve in me.
3) I never got Martha Hart not wanting WWE to have anything to do with Owen. This made that all make sense to me. I was, and still am, surprised at how my opinion changed when really hearing it from her side, Owen's kids' side and all the stuff they went through beyond the death itself. Obviously my original stance was somewhat onesided and ignorant but I didn't expect to have my eyes opened like that.
The whole max mini thing, people need to remember the big reason for max mini at the time was because austin powers in 1999, may bad must come out and mini me ws a big thing
Same thing for me. While I can’t help but still want Owen in the HOF, I completely understand and empathize with Martha and her kids over this situation. This made me view Martha in a SIGNIFICANTLY more positive light. With everything that happened, if Martha and her kids never allow Owen in the HOF due to what happened and what they were put through, I completely understand
Martha deserves all the respect in the world what a Strong woman
Lucas Viana I agree wholeheartedly.
Those kids are brainwashed to hate wrestling reminds me of Bobby Boucher mom in the Waterboy “wrestling is the devil”
She’s selfish for isolating her kids from owen’s side of the family it’s disgusting
@@mattjones2635 exactly why I will never ever take her side in this
While I respect Martha the kids are definitely conditioned to hate wrestling you can see it and you can tell Martha would of taught theme that from an early age
Why don’t we have daddy?
Wrestling.
If a construction workers harness was faulty and plunged to his death his kids asked the mom why we don’t have daddy
The mom shouldn’t say construction it’s the devil.
It’s the riggers fault
However I get the grief with Vince for continuing the show
There are a few takeaways I got from this episode
1.) Martha & her kids are some of the Strongest people ever to go through what they did & get through it, they deserve a lot of respect.
2.) I wish could've got some of the Hart Family's perspective on this episode just to get Martha's side & theirs. Also, I agree with a lot of what Martha says but what I don't really agree with is that it kinda feels like she's keeping Owen away from his own family.
3.) Owen not being in the Hall Of Fame is justified & of course I'd love for it to happen but I can accept that he'll never go in. Especially since her thing with WWE is "Everyone but you"
Owen doesn't need to be in the WWE HOF. He will always be remembered for being a top technician in the ring.
46:12 "The last time I checked, Owen Hart was not a sailboat." A sentence I never thought I would ever hear in my life but here we are in 2020.
I heard the Jericho interview and to be honest for Owen to even have a shirt and still be honored is good enough for me. WWE did not take care of Owen so I can understand Martha and why she did what she did. Owen seemed like a cool dude I wish I got to meet.
Documentary was biased the blood on the mat wasn’t even owen’s they act like it was premeditated murder for god’s sake
@@mattjones2635 agreed. Alot of people need to reread her first book. That shows her stance right there
Not worried about the blood I heard that from solomonster but the fact they continued the show and of course the fact they thought the blue blazer was entertaining to a attitude era crowd is what bothered me
@@mattjones2635 it was a horrible accident but it never should've happened. Martha and her kids have every right to be angry. A girl grew up without her dad and has a minimal amount of memories of her father. A boy grew up without his father and yes,he's lucky to have memories but think about all the things that he missed out on due to the irresponsiblity the WWE displayed when it came to ensuring the safety of a performer! He never got to see his children off to their first days of school,he never got to see his children graduate,he will never get see the people they will marry,nor his own grandchildren. Does the fact the documentary may have been scewed towars Martha and her children really mean anything in the face of the fact that the WWE screwed up? Forget the fake blood,we know what caused that but a man is still dead,a woman still lost her husband and children lost their father. That's what truly matters.
Fun fact: Owen is in multiple Halls of Fame. Only one of them inducted him while he was still alive.
34:00 I agree. Owen was pretty much murdered after watching the documentary. The clip was not designed to attach the harness and everyone knew it. If I was at the show I would have left and demanded a refund. The other spectators should have done the same.
Anyone ever noticed the guy in the yellow hat behind Jim Ross and the look on his face as JR announcing Owens death? He definitely saw Owen fall 😢🤦🏻♂️....Also If you see Undertaker’s face during his entrance, his eyes were watering and were puffy
Shane McMahon had been crying too you could tell
Paul Bearer talked about going to the ring with taker that night and having to keep telling himself not to look up because he didn't want to see where owen fell from.
He probably was confused as to why happened or thought it was a storyline at first, the look on his face is the realization that he just seen a man (he was probably a fan of) fall to his death at an event that’s meant to be the funnest event in life absolutely insane
Martha going to New Japan to honor Owen would be a pretty cool sight to see. Maybe they could design a new Junior's belt and have her present it to the winner of a tournament in his honor.
Solomonster, I wish they would interview you for these Dark Side episodes. You would add so much insight into the episodes.
@@celticbird2398 Solomonster's review was longer than the actual episode. He gave us info that wasn't brought out in the Vice documentary. I'd rather listen to his reviews than the actual episode.
"We've only heard Martha's side of the story here."
Truth be told we've primarily gotten the wrestling/WWE/fans side of this story for the better part of 20 years.
Just a thought....
We needed to hear more from the rest of the remaining Hart Clan IMO. With all due respect to Martha, this episode was just her view of the events.
Juan Sanchez what other view is there to discuss? The stunt was fucking avoidable and unnecessary. How is WWE’s pr team gonna spin that?
@@Jaycy845 I do believe that a WWE lawyer spun it as, "This greedy woman is just trying to beat up a company that her husband loved, don't believe her lies."
@@juansanchez209 They did approach Bret, and we can only assume they tried approaching the rest of the Harts. We've heard Bret's side(again along with the wrestling community/WWE/fans, etc.) on other occasions for years.
@@J-S.P I'm willing to bet that if the episode was a hit piece on Martha about how she is erasing Owen from history, Bret would have been excited to have been involved, but because it was a more sympathetic view, he refused to do it.
Great episode And I don't blame Martha for not allowing wwe to put owen in the Hall of fame in her mind they killed her husband they would have had to fire me I wouldn't have done that Stunt
39:55 I remember that segment. LOVED the segment but yeah, it really shouldn't have been part of an angle at all. I also agree that Russo wasn't the only one who murdered Owen. Owen was murdered by a group of incompetents, not JUST Russo.
Me and my brother watched the documentary together. He used to sell clips like that and from what he told me while watching, the clip used on Owen is designed strictly to unload with no safety attached. Whether it's cargo from a truck, or as Martha said in the documentary to unlock a sail on a sailboat. Basically it was the worst type of clip they could've used. He was actually shocked when Martha pulled out the clip and saw what it looked like.
This documentary made me do a 180 on Martha. I 100% support her now that I've heard her perspective.
It was needless.. it was unnecessary... it should've never have happened...
I had a conversation with someone about this on another video. They said fans treat Martha the way they do because she is going against Owen's wishes not allowing him in the wwe hof. My point was I'm pretty sure owen wouldnt want fans treating his wife like crap so now who is going against his wishes?
These fans hide their selfishness behind the excuse of wanting Owen honored.
The Solomonster said it, best around 1:02:51-1:02:56.
I don't get why people are having an issue about Owen Hart not being in the WWE Hall of Fame (which by the way is just a joke - people like Drew Carrey being in it is enough proof). I respect Martha's wishes and quite frankly, Owen is just as beloved as ever even without the "honor" of being in WWE's HoF.
Vince wanted Owen to use a easier snap hook so Owen can get out of it faster and it looks better 🤦♀️ smh. God forbid Vince ever becomes a stunt coordinator in movies
The rigger who was responsible for Owen’s stunt is currently working on Hollywood movie sets
They could have had the camera cut away when Owen was releasing himself, since they care more about the audience at home anyway. What a scumbag company.
@@philjenssen3480 yes hes big in hollywood has even worked with the rock on the fast and furious movie
Watching this made me very sad and mad at the same time. It shouldn’t have happened!
Same here. It was like the bruiser brody episode
Owen should've get himself fired, instead of showing up to rehearse the stunt. If Owen gets fired, he can work at WCW where they can pay him big money, and be with his brother, Bret. Owen can still support his family, and pay off his dream house.
@@nwo2cool Here's the problem. If he let himself get fired, WWE would have put in a no compete claus (no WCW for some time), & or sued him for breach of contract. He had just finished building his own dream house he designed with Martha & needed as much money as he could get so he could live peacefully. He wanted to be the one to support his family, so he didn't want to sponge off of his parents to pay for everything.
I do not understand the autism of praising a company for killing a man and demonizing the wife and children for being angry over his death and refusing to let the same company monetize his murder, I just don't get it
Been looking forward to Solomonster talking about this.
It should be noted that Owen Hart was in the Legends of Wrestling video game series. Considering that she owns the likeness to Owen, it's very clear she's willing to do business with wrestling as long as WWE has nothing to do with it.
Bret Hart also knew this when he would spew his dishonest lies about her by saying she was trying to erase him from history.
Solomonster as always does a great job in telling the story in its entirety. Well done sir!!!!!
This season of Dark side of the ring has been crazy, from Benoit to Owen Hart...where do you take season 3 from there?
Alberto Del Rio lol
Psycho Sid's ankle
RandalfElVikingo I don’t think they would do Eddie Guerrero since they was a major focus in the chris Benoit episode
Love Machine Art Barr
@@c4662 nobody cares about that jerk
WCW failed to capitalize on getting Bret post-Montreal.
WWF failed to capitalize on keeping Owen post-Montreal.
Huh...
Nah. The Kliq saw to it that the Harts were kept down in the dirt.
I’m glad Owen is being honored in All Elite Wrestling.. he’s earned his respect 🙏🏼 Rest In Peace Owen 👑 💜
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion of how they feel owen hart should be allowed to be recognized in wwe, but the facts are that a wife lost her husband, children lost their father, and a family lost a brother and son. Regardless of how the fans feel it was a tragic accident that should have never happened.
Best comment on here. Thx
As usual, excellent job., especially nailing the troll comments on Owen’s wife and kids.
I have been a wrestling fan for over thirty years, don’t watch the current product as much as I did in the late 80’s-early 00’s but I always respected the business even when it was at its lowest. The “fans” that can’t see anything beyond their keyboard and insist on making real life issues all about them are some of the worst people breathing.
Owen’s wife has every right to feel like she does, as do her children.
Keep up the great work, Solomonster.
There's an awesome charity in Owen Hart's name. That's a better legacy than a post-humous WWEHOF induction could ever hope to be. I neither want nor need a "Best Of" video series, either.
she ain't lying they dont even have a hallway of fame. Their hall of fame is a joke
I thought it was very good for a one-hour doc (could have been a two-hour and should have been) and the reason it was so good was because of the participation of Martha and the kids. I never heard their side of the story before and only had a less-than-flattering picture of Martha in my mind that had been painted by other people (the Harts, among others). I figured there had to be more to her than that, but I had never heard such until now. It was great to hear them talk and to see that they had been able to move on and do as well as they have. Combined with this Solomonster show, there were a lot of details I didn't know about the story and hearing them doesn't make my opinion of WWE, Vince and family, and even Bret (who was my favourite wrestler growing up) any better. The wrestling industry can be a real cesspool and I'm glad Owen's family has risen above it.
After watching the documentary I have to say Vince Mcmahon has got alot to answer for for Owen's death. I did not like the way he conducted himself during that press conference, I don't know there was alot of shady shit going on
the fact he keeps getting away with people dying in his company is frighting.
I'd like to see Jerry McDevitt speak publicly about how that sail boat clip was a genius idea & completely appropriate to use. I'd like to see HIM use a clip like that to descend from the ceiling of an arena. This low life has been playing the victim card for WWE for 20 years. He makes McMahon look like a saint.
I recall reading an article that quoted him bragging about not losing a case except for losing to "those tree huggers." Obviously referring to the World Wildlife Fund. They had a deal with McMahon, but he decided to be arrogant, which is what led to them suing & causing the name change. What the WWF do in rescuing abused animals is amazing. To dismiss them as just tree huggers is saying animal cruelty is acceptable.
And bragging about "beating" the widow of a guy you killed is nothing to be proud of. Jerry McDevitt is evil.
The fans behind commentary saying he was dead before they even took him out on a stretcher
Marthia allowed Owen to be in Legends of Wrestling 2 & 3, she does not have a problem with wrestling. She has a problem with WWE. I you are a fan of Owen you would respect his family's wishes.
Anyone ever listen to ppvs like a radio back then? The PPVs were always image scrambled but you could still hear it. The play by play commentary was much better then too.
Same here. Could see it every now and again but it was useful for watching them
I saw the first Survivor Series on a scrambled channel on my portable pocket sized tv. It was great!
I think we needed to hear from the rest of the Hart family to get a more accurate retelling of the ensuing drama after Owen’s death. With all due respect to Martha, it’s hard to deny that she would have a biased perspective of those events and the lawsuit. Again, that’s not an indictment on Martha, it’s just human nature to be biased, am especially in situations like this. But I don’t care who it is, I don’t feel comfortable taking one person’s word as gospel.
We must remember this tragedy not only caused unrepairable damage to the entire Hart family but it caused a split.I understand personally how this could happen as this happened to my own family.If this was to be retold in a public form I wouldn't want to talk about either so I could understand Bret or any of the Hart family not speaking.
She had mentioned, that the family was against her during the lawsuit which did not make any sense. Considering every one was basically with WCW at the time so no one had any allegiance to WWE. The blood in the ring was not his blood, so that was also sensationalized.
They were asked to be on the show but they never answered back. Solomonster even mentions that in this very clip.
Plus we've heard the other sides of this before, this was one of the few times we've heard Martha's side of things.
I remember hearing a story about Martha not ever being a fan of wrestling even before the incident.
It's all corroborated by sworn testimony from the lawsuit. Grew up a hitman fan, but the Austin line of adding an 's' to the front is spot on. Martha didn't say which Hart stooged on her, shocked to hear from Jason it was Bret's sister (Neidharts wife and Natty's mom), who I only ever saw as that dolt on those episodes of Total Divas (embarrassed I watched).
I used to be one of the ones who wanted Owen in the WWE HOF, but after watching this episode and hearing Martha's side as we'll as Owen's kids side of it I can understand their point of view. Like it was said in the episode they are honoring his legacy far more than WWE can. Ask yourself this, what would Owen have wanted? Would his loyalties lie with a company that made the decision to continue the show or would they like with his wife and children? And to those giving Martha hateful online comments do you really think Owen would appreciate that? You have absolutely no respect for the man or his legacy.
Don't take this the wrong way my friend, but I don't think he would want them to hold a grudge forever. He was a great man
@@lancethefilmguy9392 But he would want fans spewing vicious crap like the C word for 20 years?
@@filmbuff2777 Not really
I watched Darkside of the ring and was on the edge of my seat but this breakdown makes it really sad and very distinctive. I can't lie WWE should give you a job because you speak like a person that can relate to today & the 80's without sounding like Michael Cole. Idk if you could call a wrestling match but you could be a voice of a documentary.
A man died because someone thought the stunt would look better on TV with a quick release clip... A stupid stunt that wouldn’t have taken away from the show if they had axed it.
I totally agree they could've stretched it to 2 parts, it was a bit short, there was a lot of stuff they could've included
Wait, Harley Race got him with the old joy buzzer trick?! WOW! I didn't know ANYONE fell for THAT anymore! X'D
Great episode, but I think the Benoit tragedy should have been saved as the season finale.
It was the perfect opener, though. It got the highest ratings and helped gain more notoriety for the series. From a narrative standpoint, I agree with you.
i agree, i can see some people going away from this one saying they should've interviewed more people for it.
I felt that the 1st part of the Benoit episode is more about Eddie Guerrero's death leading to part 2 about Benoit's death.
They sequenced it right. People wanted to learn about the Benoit story and then forget it. I haven't heard of another CTE athlete doing what Benoit did, most of the others just took their own lives. Everyone loved Owen in life AND death. They should've made Owens a 2 parter, Jason is right.
This was the better closer. His death would've marked the 20th anniversary so they held it around the time he had died.
I remember getting trolled on limewire back in the day trying to download the footage of the fall, but it was Vic Grimes lol....rip Owen, this episode made me sad and mad at the same time
Maybe I'm reading too much into this but after hearing about the the treatment of the fan that was chilling with Owen in Kansas City before the ppv, I'm getting the impression that Vince and Co. had some petty heat with Owen. As I see it that vindictive pettiness along with some incompetence & negligence led to a man's death. Again maybe I'm reading too much into it.
Seizing his bags & ordering him out of the arena makes it clear Shane "crying" on camera were just crocodile tears. Typical McMahon.
Great video solomonster. I was looking forward to hearing your thoughts on this Owen Hart episode. This was such a tragedy that should not have happened.
The longest review that isn’t a PPV
Thank you for piece. I've looked forward to hearing it since the beginning of season 2. Much respect. Keep up the good work.
great rant at the end man and video overall (I swear those are the kinds of people that make me ashamed to be a wrestling fan and I'm one of the biggest you'll ever meet)
I don't blame martha for not wanting to have anything to do with wwe after owen death but I'm glad that owen legacy is being honored by aew. Hats off to Tony khan for reaching out to martha
They're actually showing an extended version of the Owen Heart episode this week on Vice, it may shed more light on the details they didn't cover like Owen being a prankster.
This was a damn good listen. Thank you , and RIP Owen ❤
Lion's Den match with Ken Shamrock was pretty good too at the time..
Jerry Lawler stayed in the ring with the EMTS the entire time trying to save Owen. When The King came back to the announce desk to continue the announcing duties his face said it all. He knew Owen had died.
So sad she didn’t have support from the Hart Family
A family runs on its own choice. Shes the reason her kids don't even know their side of that family.
@@M0wi11_89 So its her fault she feels how she feels from her husband dying, and its her fault the Hart Family took documents to help WWE's side in the case?
@@M0wi11_89 Um, they are grown adults now. In other interviews, Martha has encouraged them to be kind & polite if they see other Harts. I don't know about Athena, but I know for a fact Oje is in touch with them on social media as I've seen Natalya comment on his instagram posts.
@@eastwaters4082 and the fact they they sued her for what?! You wonder why she mad at them I would be too!
I was six days old when Owen died, and looking at Jerry Lawler‘s face reminded me of the raw where Jerry Lawler had a heart attack on camera, and that’s the closest my generations had to the Owen situation, and Jerry didn’t die thankfully, but there is some creepy coincidence to Owen on that raw, and I remember these facts that raw was in Canada. To the fact that the heart attack happened to Jerry Lawler. One of the first responders. To Bret of all people bring in the main event segment. To the fact that no one except Michael Cole didn’t stop doing their part of the show, and I will always have respect for Michael Cole for doing that, and after everything that happened. It’s a feeling that I never want to have watching wrestling, or in my life again, but I know what that feeling feels like, and I could never forget it, and have a nice day.
Good i hope bret tears after martha that was his brother shes erasing his legacy
I remember that PPV very vividly. I was 14 and a friend of the family got us a black box to watch fights and this PPV on that day. I remember sitting in my family room, by myself, and notice something was up when the incident happen. I was confused until JR mention that this was not part of the show. I grew weary while watching until JR announced his death. The looks on his and King's face brought me to tears. I loved Owen as a wrestler and still is one of my favorites as a kid. Once that happen I immediately turned off the PPV. It was great to watch this special and got the family to talk about it. Sucks that this put a wedge in the families relationship.
I JUST HEARD A INTERVIEW WITH JIM ROSS AND STING ..WHEN STING HEARD OF OWEN DEATH HE CALL BRET AND TOLD HIM IM NOT GONNA DO THE STUNT ANY MORE IM JUST NOT BUT BRET SAID STING IT OK IT APART OF YOUR CHARACTER KEEP DOING IT
I remember I had that black box with free ppv lol I was a kid watching it at home and remember asking my dad what happened to Owen and he wouldn’t tell me until JR said it
Spot on like always brotha
I enjoyed the episode and solomonster's commentary. I get baffled when some online posters say things like "Martha has no say on whether Owen should be in the fall of fame, the direction of his legacy, etc etc. Bret is his brother, he knew him longer, he and his family have the last word." I get that they were brothers and were very close but in my opinion Martha has the final say, case closed. Who was the woman he had two kids with? Who was with him during the lean years when his wrestling career was getting off the ground? Who was taking care of the kids 250 days of the year when Owen was on the road (I don't deny Owen was a great Father but it's tough to be a Dad when your working away for so long). In my view, Martha has the right to all that. If she and her kids don't want Owen in the hall of fame, I respect that.
That episode hit me hard. Owen was with Oje and Owen says "Merry Chrismas Oje! Oje says "Merry Christmas Dad"! back to him. Those six words brought a lot of emotions in me. I did tear up and I'm not afraid to admit it. After watching the documentary, I understand now why Martha, and her kids want nothing to do with WWE.
A chill went up my spine when Martha showed the harness clip that was used in the stunt, the clip was used for sailboats. She said "this is what was holding him". A thing that only took six pounds of pressure too open. This was some shocking new evidence to learn that I did not know about before. I was at a loss for words when I heard that.
Solomonter was right when he said "if Owen had the same entrance like every other wrestler had on the card that night, this never would have happened. I feel bad for Owen's kids because they don't get to have anymore memories of him, but I know if he were alive today, he would be very proud of them.
Since Mark Henry supports WWE's negligence, I'd like to see him open that clip & ask him if he'd be okay if Vince McMahon wanted to suspend him from the ceiling with that clip.
No idea y I've been recently listening/watching all things Owen and his senseless, tragic death but I'm almost 38yrs old and 2 events still stick in my mind. Meetin Owen backstage in hartford when I was 11-12yrs old(took his time to talk to me, shake my hand and signed a autograph for me, even tho he was kinda playin a heel on tv). Then unfortunately watchin the ppv with my aunt when he passed. Aunt thought it was a work til the AM news. So tragic and unfortunate and avoidable. RIP Owen
Vince McMahon killed Owen Hart, and if Owen would've live I think he would've been in Kurt Angle's spot in 2000 as WWE Champion.
No I think Owen would've been exactly where he was before his death because keep in mind he was scheduled to win the Intercontinental Championship from The Godfather the night he died at Over The Edge. The mid card is as far as he would've gotten because around that time Stone Cold, The Rock and The Undertaker were the bigger names at the time when Owen died. He unfortunately ended up becoming more popular due to the tragedy.
It a shame we never got to see him work with Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Jericho and others in 2000.
Dustin Nunn He gave the OK to Vince Russo's idea for Owen Hart to be up there, he wanted a quick release despite being told several times it was unsafe, and he hired the wrong people to propel Owen Hart.
@@jerelminter I think with the amount of talent that was coming in after he died, his popularity may have sky rocketed to the point he may have gotten a championship run, but not in 2000.
Something that hit me was during Undertakers entrance that night you can see how shaken Mark was and at one point the camera cut away from him because he was staring at the corner where Owen landed.
Thank you for telling those idiots off. A true fan would respect the wishes of Martha and her children but instead they insult her and call her selfish. Shame on all of them.
Also the WWE HOF is not a real HOF. It is just a big spectacle to make more money for Vince. Owen will never be forgotten. He lives on through his family and his matches. He does not need a stupid WWE HOF induction.
Last year, I vowed never to watch any WWE shows after Crown jewel. But the events of this year has only reinforced that vow. From the Owen tragedy to black Wednesday last month, WWE has proved that it is the most toxic and selfish company in the world. When I watched the reaction Vince gave that reporter, I could not believe the gall from Vince. He was out of order.
As for Bret, while he obviously loves his brother, he was obviously thinking about himself when he helped Marth because he wanted all those videos of his matches. I know you are a fan Solomonster but you have to admit, Bret was selfish.
Owen Hart was a great wrestler and a great father and watching him interact with his children was heartbreaking.
Also don’t forget the context for why Bret was making it about him, was because he thought he could get back at Vince for screwing in Montreal
You think that if WWE tries to inducted Owen Hart in the Hall of Fame, would Martha sue them?
I watched that pay per view when I was a kid, and when I heard JR's announcement I was in shock but it didn't really process with me, I know Austin vs Undertaker was the main event but I don't remember that match or anything before it, it was just Owen. Then the next night Raw is Owen is when it finally sunk in and I was in tears with all the wrestlers.
All these years later watching Dark Side I teared up again.
Bret Hart takes himself seriously in other news gravity exist, and I hope the joke made someone laugh.
Dark side of the ring has been great! It's a shame that it didn't come along sooner, but Vice has knocked it out of the park so far! Props to Jerico also!
Every good man deserves a wife like Martha Hart. Such a sad and tragic event, remember it like it was yesterday. The fact that the Harts tried to help the WWE in their lawsuit when they were negligent in the death of their flipping brother/son speaks volumes. Still, Martha fought for her husbands legacy, and may God continue to bless her and those 2 grown children. Shame on the WWE and shame on the Hart family
The WWE Hall of Fame is a complete joke. Guys like Savage should have been inducted when Hogan, Skeiky Baby & Piper got their moment. I wouldn't even care if they decided not to induct The Rock for example. I'm glad she roasted their garbage.
Well if that is the case, why do they make rants about who goes in?
I thought the Guerrero episode was extremely sad too once we get Chavo’s retelling of finding Eddie.
I really had to mentally set myself up to watch this episode. I would have liked to see Bret in the docu, but sounds like that was down to him.
I would also have liked to hear Vince Russo once again try to defend this. This is probably only time I've ever seen Jim Cornette tear up as he did. It makes it easier to understand the intensity of his hate for Russo.
Such a unnecessery tragedy.
How Russo continued to have work after what happened to Owen is beyond sickening. In any other profession, he’d be blackballed from the biz.
Forcing Owen's co-workers to continue after he'd died and fucking up the crime scene so that the show will go on its such a Vince thing to do.
For the record........I also had a black arm ban, marked O H with a whiteout pen, and I wore it for several days to school after. Looking back on it, I felt weird about it being that I never understand how people can grieve over celebs they never knew. But there was something about that guy, and the time I met him in 97........
According to Bruce Pritchard on something to wrestle with,they wanted to go with Owen being the black heart and have a feud with Shawn but they felt like undertaker vs Shawn was more of an attraction,
Oh Shawn just politicked?! I’m guessing the latter
@@pettypanamanian8331 He was a known rentboy.
Well said, Solly! Another great video!
I’m a huge Bret mark and someone who felt for years that Martha was disrespecting Owen and his legacy. I know she’ll never see this but I would like to apologize to Martha Hart for thinking so negatively about her. She is clearly an amazingly strong woman and seeing her and her children on DSOTR was heartbreaking.
You have the best podcast for pro wrestling hands down I sat down a listen to this whole video I missed my walk just to listen to this great job 😎
It’s great that AEW and the Owen Hart Foundation will team up
I have to wonder what the specifics of Owen's contract would have been. If Vince told Owen he had to show up for the rehearsal or be fired, one would think that was Owen's opportunity to get out of his contract and leave to join Bret and the others in WCW. I'm sure there would have been the standard no-compete clause that would have forced him to stay at home for a short amount of time, but I find it hard to believe that, given the sort of money WCW was throwing around those days (especially when you think about what Bret was offered), WCW and Bischoff probably wouldn't have compensated Owen under the circumstances. Yeah, Bret was a bigger name and WCW probably wouldn't have done anything with Owen, but at least he might still be alive and maybe it could have resulted in Bret having more to do as well with either a reformation of The Hart Foundation to either feud with Hogan and The NWO or against The Four Horsemen or, if you wanted to go that route, have Bret rekindle his feud with Owen, with the story being Owen is angry with Bret for leaving him behind in WWE to be screwed by Vince. You could even have Owen "reboot" his own "You're selfish" promos from when he first turned on Bret in the 90s and have Owen use it in the context that Bret cared more about the money than his family.
Ooooh I've been waiting impatiently for this one.
I didn't see the pay per view but I saw it on the 10 o clock news that night.
I didn't think I would cry again after all these years..but damn this was tough.
I use to be so selfishly upset with Martha for hiding Owen. After seeing that episode. I don't blame her at all and I respect her decision and reasoning. It doesn't matter what we wish or want whatever would make that family more at peace is what it should be.
I saw the original episode and I was waiting for your review solomonster because it has a lot of credibility.
I am one of the biggest Bret Hart fans there is (was and ever will be), but I will agree that him going for his footage as part of a settlement seems to have been the wrong time and place.
I think Bret needs to realize that Owen - unlike himself - did not live for his 'legacy'. He could care less if he were inducted into the WWE HoF. He should only go in if Oje and Athena asks for it.
His legacy is not 'our' - it is theirs.
When Owen died, NOBODY cared about WWE's Hall of Fame. The internet was in its infancy & they didn't do the phony ceremonies like they do now. So I don't think Owen would have wanted to be remembered on some pathetic internet page being exploited for profit by the company that put him in that situation while his wife & children had to live with the long term consequences of WWE's arrogance & negligence.
Bret Hart never bothered to show up for the Lou Thesz induction for Owen in 2018 either.
The moment that had me like really really? Was during the lawsuit press, McMahon really going oh I don't appreciate your tone. Fucking really?
I remember an interview with vince on off the record not long after the death of owen that he talked about the discussion he had with bret at the funeral and the only thing bret was talking about is about his footage so back then i thought it was bs to what vince was saying and now with this episode that was in fact true that he was going along with the lawsuit for his footage not really for justice. The behavior of owen's family is pretty discusting going againts his widow if its all true.
Late reply but in a very early shoot interview (I saw it on youtube but I'm not sure if it uploaded anymore), Bret gave his side of the story about that meeting (it was in a park in Calgary). Martha's lawyers told Bret to NOT talk about the lawsuit when speaking to McMahon, because McMahon could of been wired for sound. Vince even had police stationed around the park because he feared that Bret would try to murder him at that meeting. Bret said that he told Vince something along the lines of "look, I'll be straight, we both know a lawsuit is probably coming, and I assume you don't know anything more than what you read in the papers. I was asked not to say anything more about that, so let's not go there." And Vince agreed.
@@billymarino4452 Yes, that is true, but in all fairness, Bret is a complete narcissist that likes to talk about how great he is 24/7, so I can see why McMahon thought that.