So many people were making her out to be the "bitter ex" but I didn't see any bitterness in her, she seemed like she has very much moved on with her life got over what happened almost 35 years ago and was just recalling the events as she remembered them without any real anger or malice towards him.
@@Hammerhead547 What people don’t know is that she’s been trying to defame him for the past 15 years or so. I remember she had a website that was devoted to proving to the world what a horrible man he was, and she also tried to publish a book. I don’t find her credible, and she seemed like she was acting a little bit during the special
@@JohnDoe-gk7ok Well, from what's been said Warrior didn't really endear himself to anyone while in the business, so his ex-wife wasn't the only one speaking ill of him
@@Andysnyc The heat comes from guys with emotional ties to the wrestling business, who spent years training and losing matches before making it big. They resent the fact that some big muscle-head got over in a short period despite his limited in-ring ability, and they hated that he did not socialize with them or ask them for advice. And then they resent him more when they are told that he held up Vince for money, but then Austin and Flair get a free pass even though they no-showed events with less notice than him. (Warrior actually sent the letter to Vince two months before Summerslam 1991 and Vince had enough time to change the main event to Hogan/Sid vs. Slaughter/Adnan/Sheik.)
@@JohnDoe-gk7ok Warrior was the Vinnie Vincent of pro wrestling: a wholly unlikable human being who was so consumed by egotism and insecurities that it destroyed him just as he was reaching the top.
The funny thing I find ironic is Warrior said all those sadistic things on Bobby Heean when he was suffering with cancer. But at the same time, Heenan died in 2017 while Warrior died in 2014 from a heart attack. Which means, Heenan outlived the Ultimate Warrior. You reap what you so.
@curt shamrock Read the article Vice did on WWE whitewashing on Ultimate Warrior and the things he said to Heenan was cruel beyond belief. The man was bigoted and racist.
I enjoyed the Dark Side of the Ring doc. It broke down what was going on with him during his post Wrestlemania 6 run, and how he took it personally when the other wrestlers said "He can't wrestle." Whatever happened, I like how he made up with his first wife and then with the other wrestlers at his HOF induction. Great Jake the Snake quote, "I learned a lesson in life that day."
Omg!! Jake Roberts was one of the biggest Deadbeats/Addicts to ever lace up a pair of boots. He has this new narrative where you're supposed to forget everything he did while using (basically anything before the DDP yoga enlightenment LOL!!) drugs, saying that wasn't really him!! Oh okay, Jake!! No way for us to know for sure, but we'll take your word.
I'm actually impressed with how both A&E as well as Vice did on presenting the Ultimate Warrior. Neither shy away from the truth. As far as my thoughts on Jim, I have forgiven him for the stuff he said and done. He was not the nicest guy in the world and he showed us that. However, I am glad that he got to make amends before he passed away. Life is to short to hold a grudge against someone. We as a culture need to learn that lesson. I believe that Jim knew that he would probably die in a year so that is why he ask forgiveness from his peers. If you noticed in the WrestleMania 30 documentary he acted very calmly and not angry at all. Maybe he cleaned his life up or maybe he even found the Lord. Who knows but I really like his last promo he did before he passed away the day after. Hopefully he can rest in peace. Jake Roberts said that he learned a lesson when Jim apologized to him. And that is something we all need to hear.
You forgave him? Considering what he said wasn’t pointed towards you, you forgiving him doesn’t matter lol. Did gay people forgive him for what he said about gay people? That’s what matters.
@@trahapace150 Didi you actually watch the A&E doc? Obviously you did not because that one did not avoid anything. In fact, it hit everything head on while DSOTR ignored the homohobic comments and everything post WWE. It was the DSotR that was gimped. Hell, the DSotR producers even admitted that the A&E doc was far darker than theirs was. You have no clue what you are talking about because everything you said is false.
Ultimate Warrior was his own worst enemy, talking with people followed wrestling in the early 90s they tell me all the times how much they loved him, even more than Hogan because he had the superhero feeling with that painting and also the body type of a greek God. If he didn't flame out in such a short period of time, he would have been as big as Austin and Rock, no doubt about it, because he had the fans genuinely behind him that still to this day love everything he represented on the squarred circle
He was as big as austin and rock. Ultimate Warrior was a house hold name right up there with Hulk Hogan and Macho Man. We are still talking about him 30 years later.
@@christiansoldier77 Austin's neck is what shortened his career, but he started for the Jarretts in Memphis circa 1988. I'd imagine Austin would've retired around when HBK did had his neck and knees held up. Hollywood came calling for Rock quickly as he was charisma personified, and a natural action hero successor to Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone.
According to Warrior, Trips went and got Pat Patterson before their match (I am assuming after Warrior told him it would be a jobber match). Pat attempted to talk to Warrior who then locked eyes on Hunter and said "If you have something to say, say it to my face. We are done."
Much like the Self Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior and Ultimate Warrior: Always Believe, we got a duality of man’s story here with these two documentaries. I won’t be surprised if they do a movie based on the Ultimate Warrior, they’ll be two versions.
@@comixproviderftw_02 Hemsworth as HOGAN!?!?!? Seriously?? Good god!! Why, because they're both blonde and white? That's cool, I'll play Johnny Depp since I have black hair.
@@lemankurtz8950 realistically there can only be one Hulk Hogan but i think Hemsworth takes his craft seriously, and would definitely take this role seriously. No clue if this film is still being made
Jim Cornette is always Gold on these Episodes and the Ultimate Warrior to this day is still one of the most Captivating Professional Wrestlers in WWE History ... 💯
I still get a chuckle out of the story that The Solomonster talks about around 21:09-21:25. Ever Bryan Zane from Wrestling With Wregret doesn't know what that word means, either & neither do I...
The conservative views of the ultimate warrior, sound a lot like Rush Limbaugh! And let me say this, in my personal opinion, of the two wives I believe the one on Darkside of the ring was a lot more honest than Dana is. I do agree that the A&E version was more fleshed out than the Darkside of the ring version. I still enjoyed both though.
@@EVGriffinJr She was absolutely phony with over dramatic nonsense about how "he was no longer Jim ...there was only he warrior " then she started crying . That was complete BS
I appreciate the breakdown and comparison of both episodes. He was a divisive person and its interesting that even with the two fairly different approaches a&e and dsotr took, it's still not a complete story of who he was. I think this was a great, unbiased look at Warrior and what we heard from those episodes
In the end the ultimate warrior's story is one that's old as time in the entertainment industry when someone gets fame success and fortune thrust upon them on their first try: too much: too fast, no realistic way to follow through and nowhere to go but down .
Or, it shows that a guy without a background, with just his discipline, keeping to himself, and not kissing ass, was able in just 3 years to reach the top and beat the biggest star the company ever had.
I do like that Solomonster has a 1st hand account ( at Hoftra university) of Ultimate Warrior's speaking tour. It really gives a great perspective of how much of a nutcase Jim Helwig/Warrior was.
Thank you Jason for pointing out the difference between someone being a technical worker and a good worker. We have a whole generation of fans now that think being a good worker means you do with thousand moves in a match. That’s not what being a good worker is. Hogan was a good worker. Technically sound no but you didn’t expect big guys to be wrestling like Chris Benoit and Shawn Michaels in the 80s. I like Jim Cornett, he’s one of my favorite people in the wrestling business but it’s kind of his fault the reason why people think this way. Ever since he did that shoot interview where he said Kevin Nash only had six moves everyone that’s gotten into the business after that thinks that to be a great worker you have to do 1000 moves. Now we have guys that do a thousand moves But they don’t know how to work worth a fuck. They should be Olympic divers today not pro wrestlers
57:32 Let us not forget those other horrible things he said like Warrior once referred to Droz as "The cripple" & It's that time he actively mocked the people in Louisiana after they got hit by Hurricane Katrina
Yeah, I remember he tried to play it off like he was just talking about the big groups looting stores for stuff other than food/necessities, but he DEFINITELY brought up "black skinned boys" specifically, making his whole defense horseshit.
There’s just so many instances where his true personality shows he wasn’t a good dude. So maybe he lashed out because he has mental health problems but hard to give him any benefit of the doubt when you see just how many examples of him just being scummy.
Ultimate Warrior had something so many people today just don't have. Despite how goofy the whole thing was, and how little sense he made, the one thing I believed is that he gave a fuck. Yeah, I have no idea why the hell he talked about hijacking a plane Hogan was on and crashing it into an Island, killing the Pilot in the process, but I believed he wanted to beat Hogan in that match.
The 2 babyface vs babyface matches that stood out from my childhood were Warrior vs Hogan at WrestleMania Vl & The Steiners vs Sting/Luger at SuperBrawl 1991
Met Warrior about a decade ago in either 2010 or 2011 when he was speaking at my college. While he did sound like a raging Tradcon lolcow ("Big L" Libertarians like us tend to mock both sides), he was a genuinely cool person even towards those who disagreed with his opinions. He actually said he regretted his "queering doesn't make the world work" rant in his talk. I did like how the DSOR episode highlighted him apologizing to everyone he knew he did wrong like Jake Roberts. Warrior did seem like he felt guilty about the shitty things he did when he was wrestling and boy there are many. Despite it all, I was a Warrior fanboy when I was a kid and as an adult I think he was fighting a number of insecurities and his crazy Tradcon rants served as an outlet. I don't think he was too happy during the last decade or so of his life which kinda sucks. We can talk bad about Warrior all we want but he left us too soon. Even if he DID think he wasn't gonna last long
I would never call those rants traditional conservative......more like Far Right Nationalist. Most "Tradcons" aren't gonna bring race into the picture like a FR-WN would.
I’ll be honest, I was kinda disappointed with this. This should’ve been two hours with all the material Warrior had said and done. Plus the bizarre about face at the end was a little jarring
Speaking of The Ultimate Warrior, is the DVD 'The Self-Destruction Of The Ultimate Warrior' still available to watch on the WWE Network?... I would imagine so. To be fair, I don't have the WWE Network, so, I'm just asking out of curiosity.
I know that this match would not rate well on the Dave Meltzer star scale, but my favorite Ultimate Warrior match was his match against the Honky Tonk Man for the IC Title at Summerslam. At the same time, a problem with the Ultimate Warrior as Champion was the fact that the WWE at the time wrote themselves into a corner with the character once he won the title. The Ultimate Warrior not only won all the time, he won in such a way that nobody else stood a chance against him. He beat Andre the Giant in 30 seconds. Both him and Hulk Hogan convincingly defeated all the heels in the organization at the time. He never showed vulnerability until he wrestled the Undertaker after he lost the title. It is hard to draw money if nobody buys into the fact that he can be beaten.
@@TheSolomonster I remember going on his blog many years ago when I heard about that incident and holy shit! It was unforgivably offensive even by the standards back then, and I'm honestly surprised that Warrior never got the full cancel treatment when WWE started parading his legacy around. I know the IWC kept mentioning it, but beyond that, I haven't heard much else.
Macho and the Warrior were perfect for each other. No-one was as dramatic and colourful as Macho, other that Warrior and there was no-one as intense as the Warrior, other than Savage! Warrior, for all his faults was quite the spectacle!
Find it kinda hard to believe that a guy that loved posting on his blog didn't think to make an apologetic post about his bigoted comments in the past. Just easier to believe that Dana is trying to paint her husband in a better light than many people remember
IF she wanted to paint her husband in a better light, she never owuld have mentioned the comments at all. The fact she addressed them head on while DSotR ignored them tells who really did the better job.
@ 25:00 - Vince may have said that he's a glutton for punishment, but really, if he kept going back, it's obvious that Warrior wasn't that difficult. Just like how they lied about Summer Slam.
Have you watched any of Warrior's solo interviews? Heard any other guy's shoot-interviews about him? The guy has a neon sign hanging from his face that says, "I'm difficult to deal with"......literally.
Thinking about it now I'm almost positive Dark side of the ring could have maybe done 2 hours instead of only one I did see the documentary on A and E and I thought it was pretty good.
On _The Self-Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior_ DVD from years ago Sgt. Slaughter was the one who brought up Hogan suggesting breaking the Warrior's leg. The way Slaughter tells it Hogan was the one pushing Vince to let them "break his leg" and then in the very next segment Hogan coyly confirms this referring to it as "old school". I normally take Hogan stories with a big pinch of salt, but given that Sgt. Slaughter was the one who brought up that story I'm more inclined to believe it was true. Amusingly, when Warrior took them to court over it Hogan denied ever having said that. Despite there being VIDEO FOOTAGE OF HIM SAYING IT.
Not much of a Warrior fan, but WWE’s tribute video for him was one of their best next to their Dusty Rhodes tribute. What a ending to his career. You couldn’t script it any better.
I always wondered what would have happened if Warrior went to ECW and did more than just a squash match since he mentioned it in a shoot interview. I can imagine something similar to what Jim Cornette envisioned for the Boogeyman. A nutcase who escaped a mental institution and thinks he is a great warrior. Boy, that would have been fun to see cause he can't do the 80s Warrior with that type of crowd. Why not a storyline with New Jack? Jack dealt with the Deadman, so why not with a Warrior?
I believe that Jake was referring to after his feud with Warrior that he would be feuding with Hogan for the belt similar to the Undertaker, but since the Warrior Fell through, he instead feuded with Savage
@ Solomonster- Im curious as to what you wanted to see covered that wasnt by A&E and Darkside? The WCW stuff he did with Hogan is better left unsaid. It was ridiculously laughable when it wasnt meant to be. So im glad they ignored it. But im interested to know what else shouldve been covered in your mind.
Warrior in 1992 had to have shed at least 30-40 lbs of roid muscle. People thought that Jim Hellwig died and Kerry Von Erich was in the face paint due to how noticeable it was. Hogan went from Greek god to balding hot dog between 1989 and 1993.
I love Jim Cornette but the way he's constantly burying a dead man, father and husband is absolutely disgusting. He doesn't even bury Benoit like this. He has nothing bad to say about Stone Cold when he's a habitual wife beater.
Warrior didn't kiss cornette's ass (or any one else's ass) and Cornette can't get over it. Also, Cornette doesn't care if you are a dirtbag as long as you are a "good wrestler".
Jake the Snake and Ultimate Warrior made peace on Twitter before Hall of Fame. Initially Jake said something and Warrior posted a tweet about Jake's spiritual beliefs. Then Jake said he will be the better man and make amends, and Warror also said see you at the HOF.
For a christmas special this year solomonster should check out the warrior's comic books, they're a real scream when it comes to showing just how nutter butters warrior was at the time. Especially the last ones in which he beats the piss out of a clear hulk hogan stand in before going on what can only be called a rampage against the WWF in which he straight up murders people before strangling the grinch who stole christmas to death and apparently killing snata then stealing his clothes.
@@brocklanders3616 That Rumor Started Not That Long Ago And Is A Stupid One. Macho's Brother Lanny Said It Was Because He Took Slim Jim To WCW With Him.
I went to watch the UConn video, I skimmed through it, and at 36:58, he's debating a student and says to him and the class, "The question was, do you know of a right without responsibility?" And a female student blurts out, "water!" He steps back and pauses for a second, points at her and says, "what are you smoking?!" Haha.
Jake Told The Same Story On His DVD So I Believe It. He May Have Been Referring To Championship Money And UW Could Have Easily Been Champ Again. Who Knows?
I know Dana Warrior was probably upset, but be realistic. Yes, Warrior may be one of the greatest characters to ever grace a pro wrestling ring, but if he was a miserable prick to more than half the people he encountered, chances are they won't have too many good things to say about him
I'm looking at photos of Melanie Pillman, yea, I saw her on video before multiple times, but I just wanted to verify. He was infatuated with her? Really? Of all of the hot women back then?
Yeah, between his crazy ass and Jake's crazy drug/personality shit, it should be a real freak show. Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing these damage cases laid under the microscope.
I think it was for the best considering that WWF in 1997 was more or less shredding off the remnants of the New Generation Era and the egos backstage would have been worse with him in the company.
Thank U Mr. Jason Solomonster for not being like the rest of the talking heads and actually giving Warrior aka Jim Hellwig his respect as it pertains to his wrestling Legacy.... I'M JUST SAYIN' 🤷
They gave Hogan Earthquake and gave Warrior Rude again after feuding for a year What did they expect a lot of people say Vince’s biggest mistake was the invasion or NWO but I think it’s Warriors title run
I was ten in 1987 when the Warrior debuted in WWF. Unlike all these people that grew up watching him and loved him at the time, I never liked him. Granted, I always favored the heels even as a kid, but I knew good babyfaces when I saw them, and Warrior was not the kind I wanted to see. I remember looking at him and thinking "there is no way anyone can legitimately beat this guy". I hated the running and shaking the ropes. I cringed when his music would kick on. I had no interest in his interviews and thought his personality impossible to connect with. I was planning on watching the Dark Side of the Ring episode, but it sounds like they really dropped the ball. Can't believe they didn't bring up the WCW run.
For me , this Season has been largely disappointing - the only one I liked was the Pillman episode - the rest have been rather forgettable - I AM looking forward to the Grizzly Smith one , which I think is the next episode And was I the only one who ... not trying to sound like a Dick, but at times, at certain times, when the first wife would cry... at some parts it seemed very forced, since she really didn't shed any tears - I am only saying - for me, that's what I felt
You should do the video on the 3 Ultimate Warriors, Jim Hellwig, The SummerSlam double who was believed to be Kerry Von Erich, and there was a third Warrior who did house shows an eventually wrestled in an Indy promotion in New Jersey
Surprised DOSTR ( yet to watch the A & E doc) completely skipped over his WCW run, especially with the shitshow that was his match with Hogan at Halloween Havoc
Either they thought there wasn’t much to talk about it or there wasn’t much they could dig up on it that hasn’t already been shared given the short stint he had in it.
Another great episode but I think you underestimate Jake Roberts, never the smartest guy. Brilliant in the ring and the psychological game was off the charts but he wasn't a smart guy. He never had a chance from birth, his family was so messed up. I've heard grizzly (Jake's dad) described by multiple ppl as a monster and one of the worst ppl they've ever met. But I absolutely believe Jake would have showed up with a roll of quarters with the plan to get even. He was crazy enough sober but he wasn't ever sober. So his not give a shit attitude plus being high, I think you severely underestimate Jake roberts
Jake lied all and was overly dramatic throughout DSOT. I don't think Warrior said everything Jake said he did when he asked him to work with him. Plus, Warrior wasn't champ at the time. Also, no way was Jake going to hit Warrior with a roll of quarters and beat his ass at the hall of fame.
As a kid, the guy was as superhero as you could get. Shame we learn he's a fucking nutcase. Sometimes it's better to not know what your heroes really preach.
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I thought Sherri (the first wife) was very honest and very respectful. She clearly loved him, but has her eyes open.
So many people were making her out to be the "bitter ex" but I didn't see any bitterness in her, she seemed like she has very much moved on with her life got over what happened almost 35 years ago and was just recalling the events as she remembered them without any real anger or malice towards him.
@@Hammerhead547 What people don’t know is that she’s been trying to defame him for the past 15 years or so. I remember she had a website that was devoted to proving to the world what a horrible man he was, and she also tried to publish a book. I don’t find her credible, and she seemed like she was acting a little bit during the special
@@JohnDoe-gk7ok Well, from what's been said Warrior didn't really endear himself to anyone while in the business, so his ex-wife wasn't the only one speaking ill of him
@@Andysnyc The heat comes from guys with emotional ties to the wrestling business, who spent years training and losing matches before making it big. They resent the fact that some big muscle-head got over in a short period despite his limited in-ring ability, and they hated that he did not socialize with them or ask them for advice. And then they resent him more when they are told that he held up Vince for money, but then Austin and Flair get a free pass even though they no-showed events with less notice than him. (Warrior actually sent the letter to Vince two months before Summerslam 1991 and Vince had enough time to change the main event to Hogan/Sid vs. Slaughter/Adnan/Sheik.)
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Warrior was the Vinnie Vincent of pro wrestling: a wholly unlikable human being who was so consumed by egotism and insecurities that it destroyed him just as he was reaching the top.
The funny thing I find ironic is Warrior said all those sadistic things on Bobby Heean when he was suffering with cancer. But at the same time, Heenan died in 2017 while Warrior died in 2014 from a heart attack. Which means, Heenan outlived the Ultimate Warrior.
You reap what you so.
Heenan had hard years with cancer you saw it. Warrior died from a heart attack and lived his life probably without being sick but he only was 54.
@curt shamrock google it he said heenan having cancer is karma or some shit.
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@curt shamrock Read the article Vice did on WWE whitewashing on Ultimate Warrior and the things he said to Heenan was cruel beyond belief. The man was bigoted and racist.
@@meharinationsportspodcast2582 Watch the A&E doc. WWE didn't whitewash anything. 🤡
I enjoyed the Dark Side of the Ring doc. It broke down what was going on with him during his post Wrestlemania 6 run, and how he took it personally when the other wrestlers said "He can't wrestle." Whatever happened, I like how he made up with his first wife and then with the other wrestlers at his HOF induction. Great Jake the Snake quote, "I learned a lesson in life that day."
And that is, "Life's too short to hold a grudge."
Omg!! Jake Roberts was one of the biggest Deadbeats/Addicts to ever lace up a pair of boots. He has this new narrative where you're supposed to forget everything he did while using (basically anything before the DDP yoga enlightenment LOL!!) drugs, saying that wasn't really him!! Oh okay, Jake!! No way for us to know for sure, but we'll take your word.
I'm actually impressed with how both A&E as well as Vice did on presenting the Ultimate Warrior. Neither shy away from the truth.
As far as my thoughts on Jim, I have forgiven him for the stuff he said and done. He was not the nicest guy in the world and he showed us that. However, I am glad that he got to make amends before he passed away. Life is to short to hold a grudge against someone. We as a culture need to learn that lesson.
I believe that Jim knew that he would probably die in a year so that is why he ask forgiveness from his peers. If you noticed in the WrestleMania 30 documentary he acted very calmly and not angry at all. Maybe he cleaned his life up or maybe he even found the Lord. Who knows but I really like his last promo he did before he passed away the day after. Hopefully he can rest in peace.
Jake Roberts said that he learned a lesson when Jim apologized to him. And that is something we all need to hear.
You forgave him? Considering what he said wasn’t pointed towards you, you forgiving him doesn’t matter lol. Did gay people forgive him for what he said about gay people? That’s what matters.
@@trahapace150 Didi you actually watch the A&E doc? Obviously you did not because that one did not avoid anything. In fact, it hit everything head on while DSOTR ignored the homohobic comments and everything post WWE. It was the DSotR that was gimped. Hell, the DSotR producers even admitted that the A&E doc was far darker than theirs was. You have no clue what you are talking about because everything you said is false.
Who ate you that you need to forgive him? Why are you so special?
@412StepUp When did I say that I was special? Very weird comment my guy
Ultimate Warrior was his own worst enemy, talking with people followed wrestling in the early 90s they tell me all the times how much they loved him, even more than Hogan because he had the superhero feeling with that painting and also the body type of a greek God. If he didn't flame out in such a short period of time, he would have been as big as Austin and Rock, no doubt about it, because he had the fans genuinely behind him that still to this day love everything he represented on the squarred circle
Simshine95. Warrior didn't flame out. He was around about as long as the rock and stone cold were so did they flame out too?
He was as big as austin and rock. Ultimate Warrior was a house hold name right up there with Hulk Hogan and Macho Man. We are still talking about him 30 years later.
@@christiansoldier77 Austin's neck is what shortened his career, but he started for the Jarretts in Memphis circa 1988. I'd imagine Austin would've retired around when HBK did had his neck and knees held up. Hollywood came calling for Rock quickly as he was charisma personified, and a natural action hero successor to Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone.
@@nickhughes8179 I'm talking about his WWE. What he did before then is irrelevant
According to Warrior, Trips went and got Pat Patterson before their match (I am assuming after Warrior told him it would be a jobber match). Pat attempted to talk to Warrior who then locked eyes on Hunter and said "If you have something to say, say it to my face. We are done."
Much like the Self Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior and Ultimate Warrior: Always Believe, we got a duality of man’s story here with these two documentaries. I won’t be surprised if they do a movie based on the Ultimate Warrior, they’ll be two versions.
There is no one who could play Warrior. He had a unique look.
@@christophercomitini8619 Hey, if we could get Chris Hemsworth as Hulk Hogan for that Netflix autobiography, anything is possible.
@@comixproviderftw_02 Hemsworth as HOGAN!?!?!? Seriously?? Good god!! Why, because they're both blonde and white? That's cool, I'll play Johnny Depp since I have black hair.
I hope they don't make a movie about the ultimate warrior.
@@lemankurtz8950 realistically there can only be one Hulk Hogan
but i think Hemsworth takes his craft seriously, and would definitely take this role seriously. No clue if this film is still being made
Jim Cornette is always Gold on these Episodes and the Ultimate Warrior to this day is still one of the most Captivating Professional Wrestlers in WWE History ... 💯
Great video, Solomonster! Thank you! This puts a great bow on the two Warrior docs from last week.
Funny how we felt like Dark Side was gonna be better but I also liked A&E better.
Could you imagine Russo writing for the Warrior? 🤣
I still get a chuckle out of the story that The Solomonster talks about around 21:09-21:25.
Ever Bryan Zane from Wrestling With Wregret doesn't know what that word means, either & neither do I...
Pillman was pretty jacked in his younger days. A good 20-30 lbs heavier. Almost like Flair in his 20's compared to his 30's
Guess we now really know why Warrior departed WWF suddenly after June 1996.
The conservative views of the ultimate warrior, sound a lot like Rush Limbaugh! And let me say this, in my personal opinion, of the two wives I believe the one on Darkside of the ring was a lot more honest than Dana is.
I do agree that the A&E version was more fleshed out than the Darkside of the ring version. I still enjoyed both though.
Ervin Griffin the DSOTR wife was not honest . She saying a lot of ridiculous things
@@christiansoldier77 Clarify please? I’m going strictly by what she was saying and her behavior on the show. She didn’t come off phony to me.
@@EVGriffinJr She was absolutely phony with over dramatic nonsense about how "he was no longer Jim ...there was only he warrior " then she started crying . That was complete BS
@@christiansoldier77 Overdramatic, perhaps. But you can’t say that it’s BS. You didn’t live with the man, she did.
@@EVGriffinJr He wasnt a criminal or abusive so what was the big deal?? It was just propaganda
Good recap. This was a very fair and objective take. Well done.
I appreciate the breakdown and comparison of both episodes. He was a divisive person and its interesting that even with the two fairly different approaches a&e and dsotr took, it's still not a complete story of who he was. I think this was a great, unbiased look at Warrior and what we heard from those episodes
This was a very interesting episode of Dark side of the Ring
In the end the ultimate warrior's story is one that's old as time in the entertainment industry when someone gets fame success and fortune thrust upon them on their first try: too much: too fast, no realistic way to follow through and nowhere to go but down .
Hammerhead547 warrior was the hottest guy in the business so he didn't get it too soon
Or, it shows that a guy without a background, with just his discipline, keeping to himself, and not kissing ass, was able in just 3 years to reach the top and beat the biggest star the company ever had.
I give jim respect for being honest unlike the cookie happy A & E happy side of the ring
To be fair, they both were on par with one another
@@lancethefilmguy9392 true but wwe alaways paints itself like they saints
@@vampirascoffin870 so weird for a big corporation to do that
@@TheWinstonSlip wrestling is such a dark and crazy company , you right no joke
Cornette is great on this show.
I'm surprised since they had Melanie Pillman for her husband's episode that they didn't interview her for the Warrior episode since she dated him too.
She might have not wanted to talk about Warrior is my guess
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Or she might've just had nothing to really say about him.
Sher wouldn't have had anything to say about the Warrior since it was very short lived.
I do like that Solomonster has a 1st hand account ( at Hoftra university) of Ultimate Warrior's speaking tour. It really gives a great perspective of how much of a nutcase Jim Helwig/Warrior was.
In the words of Count Dooku: "I've been looking forward to this."
Twice the pride, double the fall
And he was dead five minutes later lol
Thank you Jason for pointing out the difference between someone being a technical worker and a good worker. We have a whole generation of fans now that think being a good worker means you do with thousand moves in a match. That’s not what being a good worker is. Hogan was a good worker. Technically sound no but you didn’t expect big guys to be wrestling like Chris Benoit and Shawn Michaels in the 80s. I like Jim Cornett, he’s one of my favorite people in the wrestling business but it’s kind of his fault the reason why people think this way. Ever since he did that shoot interview where he said Kevin Nash only had six moves everyone that’s gotten into the business after that thinks that to be a great worker you have to do 1000 moves. Now we have guys that do a thousand moves But they don’t know how to work worth a fuck. They should be Olympic divers today not pro wrestlers
We needed Stings commentary. Also, they just skipped over his time in WCW.
To be fair Warrior pretty much skipped his time in WCW, even while he actually was there.
@@dylanstreibig9234 Yeah, you're not wrong.
@@dylanstreibig9234 Warrior in WCW (i mean after wwe run) was as worse as Cm Punk in UFC lol
they skipped his steroid allegations in the DSOTR
@@whyphy2213 Maybe that's just a given, so no need to address it.
57:32 Let us not forget those other horrible things he said like Warrior once referred to Droz as "The cripple" & It's that time he actively mocked the people in Louisiana after they got hit by Hurricane Katrina
Yeah, I remember he tried to play it off like he was just talking about the big groups looting stores for stuff other than food/necessities, but he DEFINITELY brought up "black skinned boys" specifically, making his whole defense horseshit.
There’s just so many instances where his true personality shows he wasn’t a good dude. So maybe he lashed out because he has mental health problems but hard to give him any benefit of the doubt when you see just how many examples of him just being scummy.
I think he knew his time was coming hopefully he did apologize for his actions and hateful words so he could be at peace
Ultimate Warrior had something so many people today just don't have. Despite how goofy the whole thing was, and how little sense he made, the one thing I believed is that he gave a fuck. Yeah, I have no idea why the hell he talked about hijacking a plane Hogan was on and crashing it into an Island, killing the Pilot in the process, but I believed he wanted to beat Hogan in that match.
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I prefer the Self Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior DVD that was released in 2005.
I don’t know if it was intentional with the rainbow background but still nice touch.
Not sure if this was intentional, but when I watched it on demand, they would promote the Pride documentary on FX during the ad breaks.
@@bigglou that’s genius
I highly doubt it.
The 2 babyface vs babyface matches that stood out from my childhood were Warrior vs Hogan at WrestleMania Vl & The Steiners vs Sting/Luger at SuperBrawl 1991
Met Warrior about a decade ago in either 2010 or 2011 when he was speaking at my college. While he did sound like a raging Tradcon lolcow ("Big L" Libertarians like us tend to mock both sides), he was a genuinely cool person even towards those who disagreed with his opinions. He actually said he regretted his "queering doesn't make the world work" rant in his talk.
I did like how the DSOR episode highlighted him apologizing to everyone he knew he did wrong like Jake Roberts. Warrior did seem like he felt guilty about the shitty things he did when he was wrestling and boy there are many. Despite it all, I was a Warrior fanboy when I was a kid and as an adult I think he was fighting a number of insecurities and his crazy Tradcon rants served as an outlet. I don't think he was too happy during the last decade or so of his life which kinda sucks.
We can talk bad about Warrior all we want but he left us too soon. Even if he DID think he wasn't gonna last long
I would never call those rants traditional conservative......more like Far Right Nationalist. Most "Tradcons" aren't gonna bring race into the picture like a FR-WN would.
Solo, feel the power of DESTRUCITY!
I’ll be honest, I was kinda disappointed with this. This should’ve been two hours with all the material Warrior had said and done. Plus the bizarre about face at the end was a little jarring
There needs to be a second part called, "Being Warrior," to go over those insane rants.
@@King4sshole89 plus them glossing over his 1992 run/firing
Speaking of The Ultimate Warrior, is the DVD 'The Self-Destruction Of The Ultimate Warrior' still available to watch on the WWE Network?...
I would imagine so.
To be fair, I don't have the WWE Network, so, I'm just asking out of curiosity.
I know that this match would not rate well on the Dave Meltzer star scale, but my favorite Ultimate Warrior match was his match against the Honky Tonk Man for the IC Title at Summerslam. At the same time, a problem with the Ultimate Warrior as Champion was the fact that the WWE at the time wrote themselves into a corner with the character once he won the title. The Ultimate Warrior not only won all the time, he won in such a way that nobody else stood a chance against him. He beat Andre the Giant in 30 seconds. Both him and Hulk Hogan convincingly defeated all the heels in the organization at the time. He never showed vulnerability until he wrestled the Undertaker after he lost the title. It is hard to draw money if nobody buys into the fact that he can be beaten.
The blogs were far more offensive than what he said at Connecticut
Yeah, I didn't even mention the stuff on the Katrina victims or referring to Droz after his accident as "The Cripple".
@@TheSolomonster I remember going on his blog many years ago when I heard about that incident and holy shit! It was unforgivably offensive even by the standards back then, and I'm honestly surprised that Warrior never got the full cancel treatment when WWE started parading his legacy around. I know the IWC kept mentioning it, but beyond that, I haven't heard much else.
Macho and the Warrior were perfect for each other. No-one was as dramatic and colourful as Macho, other that Warrior and there was no-one as intense as the Warrior, other than Savage! Warrior, for all his faults was quite the spectacle!
Find it kinda hard to believe that a guy that loved posting on his blog didn't think to make an apologetic post about his bigoted comments in the past. Just easier to believe that Dana is trying to paint her husband in a better light than many people remember
IF she wanted to paint her husband in a better light, she never owuld have mentioned the comments at all. The fact she addressed them head on while DSotR ignored them tells who really did the better job.
Warrior hurt Bobby Herman at WM 5. I think Herman said on the Self Destruction DVD he was terrified when UW had him in the press slam.
@ 25:00 - Vince may have said that he's a glutton for punishment, but really, if he kept going back, it's obvious that Warrior wasn't that difficult. Just like how they lied about Summer Slam.
Have you watched any of Warrior's solo interviews? Heard any other guy's shoot-interviews about him?
The guy has a neon sign hanging from his face that says, "I'm difficult to deal with"......literally.
I thought WWE did buy like 1 million copies of Warrior's comic book for a dollar a piece and gave them out for WrestleMaina fan axxess in 1996?
Thinking about it now I'm almost positive Dark side of the ring could have maybe done 2 hours instead of only one I did see the documentary on A and E and I thought it was pretty good.
29:00 I've always compared the last Warrior promo to El Santo unmasking himself publicly two weeks before passing away
DSA&E. Dark Solomonster A&E. That's how you get all the deets.
On _The Self-Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior_ DVD from years ago Sgt. Slaughter was the one who brought up Hogan suggesting breaking the Warrior's leg. The way Slaughter tells it Hogan was the one pushing Vince to let them "break his leg" and then in the very next segment Hogan coyly confirms this referring to it as "old school".
I normally take Hogan stories with a big pinch of salt, but given that Sgt. Slaughter was the one who brought up that story I'm more inclined to believe it was true.
Amusingly, when Warrior took them to court over it Hogan denied ever having said that. Despite there being VIDEO FOOTAGE OF HIM SAYING IT.
What about the stuff he said about the Renegade? Poor guy didn’t have a chance.
Shame really.
Not much of a Warrior fan, but WWE’s tribute video for him was one of their best next to their Dusty Rhodes tribute.
What a ending to his career. You couldn’t script it any better.
Exactly 💯
Maybe what Jake meant was his program with Warrior would have been one to elevate Jake to the title. That's how I took it Solomonster. 👍
It's always possible
I always wondered what would have happened if Warrior went to ECW and did more than just a squash match since he mentioned it in a shoot interview. I can imagine something similar to what Jim Cornette envisioned for the Boogeyman. A nutcase who escaped a mental institution and thinks he is a great warrior. Boy, that would have been fun to see cause he can't do the 80s Warrior with that type of crowd. Why not a storyline with New Jack? Jack dealt with the Deadman, so why not with a Warrior?
I believe that Jake was referring to after his feud with Warrior that he would be feuding with Hogan for the belt similar to the Undertaker, but since the Warrior Fell through, he instead feuded with Savage
@ Solomonster- Im curious as to what you wanted to see covered that wasnt by A&E and Darkside? The WCW stuff he did with Hogan is better left unsaid. It was ridiculously laughable when it wasnt meant to be. So im glad they ignored it. But im interested to know what else shouldve been covered in your mind.
It’ll always be a little wild that there’s the warrior award
Neither Vice or A&E didn't mention Warrior working with a young phenom in 1991. Undertaker
Warrior in 1992 had to have shed at least 30-40 lbs of roid muscle. People thought that Jim Hellwig died and Kerry Von Erich was in the face paint due to how noticeable it was. Hogan went from Greek god to balding hot dog between 1989 and 1993.
Next week Grizzly Smith. Im not ready
I love Jim Cornette but the way he's constantly burying a dead man, father and husband is absolutely disgusting. He doesn't even bury Benoit like this. He has nothing bad to say about Stone Cold when he's a habitual wife beater.
Warrior didn't kiss cornette's ass (or any one else's ass) and Cornette can't get over it. Also, Cornette doesn't care if you are a dirtbag as long as you are a "good wrestler".
@@travismcdonald6576 facts
Jake the Snake and Ultimate Warrior made peace on Twitter before Hall of Fame. Initially Jake said something and Warrior posted a tweet about Jake's spiritual beliefs. Then Jake said he will be the better man and make amends, and Warror also said see you at the HOF.
For a christmas special this year solomonster should check out the warrior's comic books, they're a real scream when it comes to showing just how nutter butters warrior was at the time.
Especially the last ones in which he beats the piss out of a clear hulk hogan stand in before going on what can only be called a rampage against the WWF in which he straight up murders people before strangling the grinch who stole christmas to death and apparently killing snata then stealing his clothes.
The fact that even Warrior came back to the Company tells me that Randy Savage must have pissed Vince off badly!
Rumor has it Stephanie and him hooked up. If so, maybe that's where the animosity stems from.
@@brocklanders3616 yea i know
@@brocklanders3616 That Rumor Started Not That Long Ago And Is A Stupid One. Macho's Brother Lanny Said It Was Because He Took Slim Jim To WCW With Him.
I went to watch the UConn video, I skimmed through it, and at 36:58, he's debating a student and says to him and the class, "The question was, do you know of a right without responsibility?" And a female student blurts out, "water!" He steps back and pauses for a second, points at her and says, "what are you smoking?!" Haha.
Hogan vs Warrior is The biggest Match of All-time in my opinion. This is the Match that got me to be a Wrestling fan.
I watched the A&E one and I pretty much agree with what you said about it.
'91/92 was a weird one! We should've got Warrior vs Jake or Warrior vs 'Taker AND Savage vs Jake!
enjoying your vids bro,.
Thanks man
I found the DSOR on Warrior disappointing.wasn't really very dark.The Grizzly Smith DSOR is gonna be the definition of DSOR
Jake Told The Same Story On His DVD So I Believe It. He May Have Been Referring To Championship Money And UW Could Have Easily Been Champ Again. Who Knows?
Like I said before.....this Was the Remastered version of the Self destruction DVD in 2004
I know Dana Warrior was probably upset, but be realistic. Yes, Warrior may be one of the greatest characters to ever grace a pro wrestling ring, but if he was a miserable prick to more than half the people he encountered, chances are they won't have too many good things to say about him
I'm looking at photos of Melanie Pillman, yea, I saw her on video before multiple times, but I just wanted to verify. He was infatuated with her? Really? Of all of the hot women back then?
good review
I feel like a therapist will go up a tax bracket when he Grizzly Smith doc comes out next week.
Yeah, between his crazy ass and Jake's crazy drug/personality shit, it should be a real freak show. Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing these damage cases laid under the microscope.
@@lemankurtz8950 It was dark as fuck.
damn right, Pilman would've put Warrior away!
One thing I can take from this, Solomonster must be the most level headed person ever. I almost respect it. Nothing against Solomonster though.
He tried to bring him back in 1997 never knew that wtf.
I think it was for the best considering that WWF in 1997 was more or less shredding off the remnants of the New Generation Era and the egos backstage would have been worse with him in the company.
lol for like a decade after that mid south run. I always wondered what happened to blade runner rock. Sting was cool but Rock was massive
Vince hasn’t come out and was in love with Jim?
20:08 Cutting deep.
Thank U Mr. Jason Solomonster for not being like the rest of the talking heads and actually giving Warrior aka Jim Hellwig his respect as it pertains to his wrestling Legacy.... I'M JUST SAYIN' 🤷
24:26 that would have been interesting if that happened
I'm sorry Jake Roberts was capping in this episode
A tale of two stories.. Jake and the phantom title run vs. Sham Roberts and the talking heads with their rose tinted childhood memories.
Yeah, I think that Damage Case is mostly full of shit.
Didn’t watch either one, just waited to listen to your review...
They gave Hogan Earthquake and gave Warrior Rude again after feuding for a year What did they expect a lot of people say Vince’s biggest mistake was the invasion or NWO but I think it’s Warriors title run
45:16 I have a son.... Paul Levesque 😂😂
I figured if the ultimate warrior and Jake had a feud after that . Either one would get a title shot with Hulk Hogan
I was ten in 1987 when the Warrior debuted in WWF. Unlike all these people that grew up watching him and loved him at the time, I never liked him. Granted, I always favored the heels even as a kid, but I knew good babyfaces when I saw them, and Warrior was not the kind I wanted to see. I remember looking at him and thinking "there is no way anyone can legitimately beat this guy". I hated the running and shaking the ropes. I cringed when his music would kick on. I had no interest in his interviews and thought his personality impossible to connect with.
I was planning on watching the Dark Side of the Ring episode, but it sounds like they really dropped the ball. Can't believe they didn't bring up the WCW run.
For me , this Season has been largely disappointing - the only one I liked was the Pillman episode - the rest have been rather forgettable - I AM looking forward to the Grizzly Smith one , which I think is the next episode
And was I the only one who ... not trying to sound like a Dick, but at times, at certain times, when the first wife would cry... at some parts it seemed very forced, since she really didn't shed any tears - I am only saying - for me, that's what I felt
I loved the WM 12 match. Triple H is a jabroni, he's always been the greenwich posh boy to me.
40:16 the ultimate warrior apology video
One dream match I always wanted to see (match may not be good) but Goldberg vs. The Ultimate Warrior. Who you picking?
You should do the video on the 3 Ultimate Warriors, Jim Hellwig, The SummerSlam double who was believed to be Kerry Von Erich, and there was a third Warrior who did house shows an eventually wrestled in an Indy promotion in New Jersey
PilmPilman would have kicked the Warrior's arse!
Surprised DOSTR ( yet to watch the A & E doc) completely skipped over his WCW run, especially with the shitshow that was his match with Hogan at Halloween Havoc
Either they thought there wasn’t much to talk about it or there wasn’t much they could dig up on it that hasn’t already been shared given the short stint he had in it.
Nobody ever talks about warrior and owen hart and that was the warriors very last match inthe wwe
theWarriorwasaone-trick poy!but thats ok, beause tyhe trick he could do was terrific!
Very curious how HHH can keep his phisic even made the cover of flex magazine and pass all his drug tests
Another great episode but I think you underestimate Jake Roberts, never the smartest guy. Brilliant in the ring and the psychological game was off the charts but he wasn't a smart guy. He never had a chance from birth, his family was so messed up. I've heard grizzly (Jake's dad) described by multiple ppl as a monster and one of the worst ppl they've ever met. But I absolutely believe Jake would have showed up with a roll of quarters with the plan to get even. He was crazy enough sober but he wasn't ever sober. So his not give a shit attitude plus being high, I think you severely underestimate Jake roberts
Jake lied all and was overly dramatic throughout DSOT. I don't think Warrior said everything Jake said he did when he asked him to work with him. Plus, Warrior wasn't champ at the time. Also, no way was Jake going to hit Warrior with a roll of quarters and beat his ass at the hall of fame.
As a kid, the guy was as superhero as you could get. Shame we learn he's a fucking nutcase. Sometimes it's better to not know what your heroes really preach.