How To Defeat Flare Resistent (IRCCM) Missiles Effectively
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
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HUGE thanks (very big) to: / @nuka . and EXOTIC for the assist
0:00 Intro
0:42 Flare mechanics
1:26 Seekerhead mechanics
2:17 Bandwith
2:42 Aim-9G (common profile)
3:43 AIM-9L
4:16 R-73 / Magic 2 (gatewith IRCCM)
4:34 AAM-3 / AIM-9M (Tracking Suspension)
5:25 Gatewith IRCCM in practice
6:46 Tracking suspension IRCCM in practice
8:26 Flaring R-73 And Magic 2 From the rear
9:58 Flaring R-73 and Magic 2 From the side
10:25 Flaring R-73 and Magic 2 From the front
10:45 Flaring AIM-9M and AAM-3 From the rear (flower pattern)
11:35 Flaring AIM-9M and AAM-3 From the rear (curtain pattern)
13:37 Flaring AIM-9M and AAM-3 From the front
14:03 Flaring AIM-9M From the Side (method 1, sus at altitude and aam-3s)
14:53 Flaring AIM-9M and AAM-3 From the side (reliable pick)
15:34 Flaring AIM-9M and AAM-3 From the side at low speed (hard)
Outro: A.N.O. - Vanish
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How the fuck did you posted a comment 33mins ago when the video dropped 17mins ago ??? Bug i guess
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Seek’s honest reaction:
His reaction when his video is obsolete within 5 hours? Must be quite painful indeed.
I pity the attempt that he tried to assemble that video in a day just because he knew Defyn was creating this so he could profit of it.
This is a 2 minute microwave meal that's still half frozen vs the meal that was grown on own land and cooked over 3 days.
I never comment but in general...Man even I am annoyed
I just finish watching Seek's video and it lead me straight to here. lol
Seek and Defyn beef incoming
@@TurnerBoat I'm pretty sure these videos take quite a while to make, unlikely that they could have copied each other I think.
Then again defyn did kinda reveal the video a while ago.
@@TurnerBoatu actually made an alt account to comment that? your account is a few minutes older than your comment lol
instructions unclear: i just watched the top gun movie and did the kvochur maneuver
During the first day of the dev server I had an Su-27SM try to pull a kvochur maneuver thinking he was hot shit. He quickly learned that American planes have 20mms
me watching this video, knowing damn well im still gonna make the same mistakes after understanding the concepts
If it helps you 30% of the time that's still an improvement :)
@@DEFYNthis video has a 50% chance of getting you to understand all of the concepts, but don't worry, the last 20 people to watch it all understood!
Can't wait to deal with Python 4 which uses both types of IRCCM at the same time
its balanced trust me bro (wont it be easier to flare since its seeker shuts off but its FOV is so small so if you maneuver away it wont relock you as easily?)
I'm really worried we get it next update...
I wonder what will be worse in war thunder to deal with. The combo of suspension and gate width or however they implement the imaging IR seeker of the 9X and python 5.
R-27T/ET both use the gate width IRCCM and that AIM-9M-type of thing.
Funny thing is Magic 2 should get the same irccm
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Thanks for taking the time to make this video! I was doing some of these things instinctively, but didn't fully grasp why I should be doing them outside of "Hey, this just kinda works." The "Picassos" demonstrating how Countermeasures work in tandem with your engine profile was invaluable!
me pulling up neg g while flaring like a madman:
the R27ER in question:
Papyrus font is crazy 😂
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In depth video? we in balls deep with this one.
Missile: It’s jover for me now
Defyn single handedly raising the skill level and difficulty of top tier one guide at a time
“IRCCM doesn’t want you to know this one simple trick”
Your crazy for that one
you should do the same but for chaff/radar when the fox3s come
I will
Fox 3s are generally not fooled by chaffs, and as more advanced one comes people needs to know how to actually defend (chaffing notching and flying low (at closer distances) stops working if more advanced ones comes out)
Assuming multipathing them still works that's what i and most other people will do lol, i don't see the ARB meta being too affected by Fox-3s tbh. Though they're not in game yet so we'll find out just how good they are in a month or so.
@@M1A2C. having played some on the dev, multipathing does indeed work, however they are "less sensitive" to it- You need to nail a much narrower band of altitude for a successful multipath. Notch+ chaffing them is much easier than plane radars / SARH however. And of course, mountains are a good help
Now that I've watched this, can you delete it so my enemies don't see it too?
I kinda had difficulty understanding you but I seem to get the point. TLDR: There are 2 ways the missile tries to avoid being fooled by flares:
A) Gatewith method aka, the Tunnel Vision method. The seeker during the lock stage has a wide perspective to get an easy lock, once fired-it shrinks or it squints its eye, tunnel vision, straight at you. To fool this missile, just make sure to not afterburn and flare in the path of the missile. (R-73 Archer and R550 Magic 2 use this method).
B) Tracking Suspension method aka, the Blink method. The seeker once fired, during its travel it blinks/closes its eye to avoid being distracted by flares. It keeps its eye shut for a second or two. During this time it remembers and calculates to predict where you will be when it opens its eye and tries to relock on to you. To fool this missile, just cut back on your burner and flare a decent amount around you and dodge away, cus you might flare the missile but the missile still could relock you or just simply flied into your proximity. (AIM-9M Sidewinder, AAM-3 use this method).
Kinda missed the important part for both. You want to flare so that wherever your aircraft throws the flares, it must intersect with where your afterburner jet was.
Example, if your jet throws flares straight down, and you pull UP, then the flares get dumped BELOW your engine, which means the squinting missile never sees the flares. To counter it, you must flare and then go negative G to make the flares come between your exhaust and the missile.
AFAIK, you are the first one who came with an actual techniques rather than explanation of mechanics. Great work and thank you for sharing those techniques
The best part of this video is the explanation on how missile seekers work, I don't think many new players actually understand how a missile seeker works in war thunder so using that information players can better understand why you do certain things to flare missiles.
perfect timing for you video - THANKS - I got shot down twice yesterday in Ground RB and thought I need to do some research to find a way to deal with these - now I have the strategy and just need to put it into practice
Great guide! Thanks for the info!
Glad it was helpful!
Nice guide Defyn, cool explanation for beginners and intermediate players.
Ive been watching this channel for a long time, when i first got into the air tree i look at your guides on how to aim and loved your plane reviews. Your lessons on the mechanics of this game have helped not just me but many others. Thank you for your videos DEFYN
Thank you. Very informative 👏🏻
This was a super useful video, I had a vague intuition on how to counter them based on how the IRCCM works but seeing it through the seeker view and with all the detailed explanations helps a lot to understand why it actually works and how to make it work more effectively.
Dude thank you so much for this tutorial! After a few failed attempts I managed to get the technique right, and the results show!
The information in this video is invaluable.
This is very helpful, thank you!
Really well done vid, I hope it will help a lot of players ;DD
Woah this is why you are the GOAT! Best flare video hands down!
Thank you and have a nice summer
I always loved your guides, helped me a lot when I just started learning wt air combat
the best tutioral I've ever seen, job well done man
Thank you defyn
Thanks for the video man!
Very useful video 👌🏼❤️
This is great but what about the Red Top's?
I've been waiting for this moment for a loong time
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All the technology, Nice video 📹
He wasn't kidding, he really pulled the best tutorial XD
This put everyone else to shame damn lol
so helpful!
You dont know how long i was waiting for this video
So hyped for this
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excellent guide
Omg the sensor view for these kinds of video is a genuine god send I'm so grateful Gaijin added them cause now we can analyze missile seekers and all, fantastic tutorial overall DEFYN more quality than I was seeking
One little thing - it will work almost 100% of the time in duels but in 16v16 where pretty common situation is when 3-5+ missiles including SARH ones are all coming towards you at the same time from different angles - it won’t help much)
Yeah sensory overload is pretty much the issue there
Defeating IRCCM is pretty easy but when you try to in 16v16 furballs it just becomes a mess
@@Elijah1573 R27ER live reaction to flares:
It's here! Only 5 years in the making! Thank you daddy DEFYN!
I'm at the J35D just before the fun stuff and chaos of top tier - first nation and first time jets. This video has been very informative for my upcoming grinding
In simple term: turn off afterburner, use reverse thrust covers if you have - pop flare(s) first, then turn away. Ideally position yourself so the direction of flare remains in the bandwidth area whilst you aren't. Be offset from enemy position, fire flares towards direction of flares and turn slightly away. Roll flare, turn away
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the seek slander is wild and Im here for it
In my experience flaring M's, finding the right tempo for dropping flares to keep the seeker head off for longer really helps with avoiding them. I tend to go for about 2-3 pops a second
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that was fun ty
lovin' the papyrus font 😎
The missile knows where it is at all times
Very usefull summary, a bit harder to apply for sim pilots. But still possible. ;)
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i can finally do something against those pesky magic 2's in an uptier
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thank you my little pookie bear, I will try and not mald in air rb anymore
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9:56 I agree that it really is that shrimple.
DEFYN out here with another tutorial so we may stay on the war thunder grind
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this made me start my edging streak
Can't wait for gaijin to implement the AAM-3's dual band seeker- Infrared and Ultraviolet-
He made the video he said he was gonna make, nice o7
Defyn still shaping me into the player I am today. Fucking legend.
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A wonderful guide as usual, it was worth the wait ^^
Unfortunately, it's seems not as easy to flare the 9M in arcade... something feels wrong
Watched the seek's vid first and with this one, i can finally dodge every IRCCM cam.
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Could you do one for the the stinger missiles? Or do they work the same?
I love the video, very informative. One caveat is you have to know when and where the missile is. This is best for Arcade. Not really suited for Sim.
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A10 has hundreds though. I put it on periodic when I hit the battle line and get a solid radar hit. Rest of planes I try to keep radar in mind and what find of missile is approaching and use manual flares with chaff. I usually use flare priority till I get to 11 rating. Then a mix.
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Love this video, should minimize the amount of people complain that the missiles are op.
Honestly, I like to think this is more than just a game with how technical Defyn's tutorials are. Thanks man💯
Does flare priority drop 2 flares and 1 chaff? Because I'd still like to bring some chaff in my F15.
Also, do you do the same thing that you did with the Su27 to flare the 9Ms in the F15, since the flares deploy downwards?
defyn why do u use the freaky font on the illustrations
The IRCCM knows where it is
Goon sesh: Recommended
Do you have any idea how to defeat the Ground IRCCM missiles form SPAAs?
Hi i want to ask for advice on how to flare the TY-90
Also, can you fly out the cl13 b with the new br changes? It slaps now
So with the F-15 vs the 9M you would turn away instead of in because of where the flares come from?
Cool! Time for me immediately forget everything and randomly use at one point a few months later without realizing and then never use it again.
Could you possibly do a video on the seafire fr 47?
Not that many videos of it on UA-cam
Great now everyone is going to be able to flare my missiles
Does this work for heli irccms like the TY-90 / mistral /stingers?
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@DEFYN Could you please make the same video, but how to defeat IR SAMs? Stuff like Ozelot, Strela 10 M2 etc. Those seem to be completely undefeatable especially from rear aspect. How do they work? Is it possible to apply the same techniques against them?
radar missiles are harder form me, hugging the ground works but when i fly higher i can notch and chaff but they still get me